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SpecialQue
04-29-2011, 11:57 PM
The OKC Thunder will face the Memphis Grizzlies in the second round of the 2011 playoffs.

Discuss how these teams match up!

Game 1 - Sun May 1 Memphis at Oklahoma City 1:00PM ABC/R
Game 2 - Tue May 3 Memphis at Oklahoma City 9:30PM TNT
Game 3 - Sat May 7 Oklahoma City at Memphis 5:00PM ESPN
Game 4 - Mon May 9 Oklahoma City at Memphis 9:30PM TNT
Game 5 * Wed May 11 Memphis at Oklahoma City TBD TNT
Game 6 * Fri May 13 Oklahoma City at Memphis TBD ESPN
Game 7 * Sun May 15 Memphis at Oklahoma City TBD TBD

EnoughSaid
04-30-2011, 12:01 AM
Who do you think has the advantage going into game 1?

Kiddlovesnets
04-30-2011, 12:01 AM
They match up nicely against Thunder, Grizzlies in 4.

hawkfan
04-30-2011, 12:01 AM
Who wins in the Grizzlies vs. Thunder series?

I got Thunder in 6.
Kevin Durant is just too good, and the Thunder have depth at every position.
This is the series where the Grizzlies will really miss Gay's scoring, since they will need that extra punch and won't have it.
Grizzlies will be tough in every game, but Thunder in 6.

illmaticone
04-30-2011, 12:02 AM
In my mind Memphis matches up with almost any team very well.

I think their front-court is better than OKC's, and they have two amazing defenders in Tony Allen and Shane Battier. It should be an interesting series.

In the end, I think OKC is just too talented, and will probably take this series in 6 games

Mr. Jabbar
04-30-2011, 12:02 AM
I'm dead serious when i say I don't like the OKC chances against the Grizzlies, they matched up badly even before watching the MEM-SAS series.

1987_Lakers
04-30-2011, 12:03 AM
T. Allen & Battier are going to give Durant a tough time, but I expect Russell Westbrook to have a huge series. Thunder in 5.

anjel02
04-30-2011, 12:03 AM
no way hawkfan...this is going to 7 games and i think Memphis upset the Thunder.

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 12:05 AM
Thunder in 7. HCA will be huge for OKC. That's a hard place to play.

L.Kizzle
04-30-2011, 12:06 AM
I can see Memphis taking this, seriously.

Mr. Jabbar
04-30-2011, 12:06 AM
MEM in 5-6.

sodap
04-30-2011, 12:08 AM
memphis is a very solid team that can give serious trouble to anyone. they just dont have the talent of other teams like lakers or thunder. marc gasol vs pau gasol is a perfect example, marc is a great big man, hard worker and disciplined in every aspect of the game (the dream of any coach really), but pau is more talented.

by the way (OT) its funny how spain has all these short and talented guys in football while their main strength in basketball is precisely the opposite, and with ibaka joining them that will hold true for a few years

dunksby
04-30-2011, 12:08 AM
Gonna be a tough one, OKC in 7 though. In KD we trust! :bowdown:

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
04-30-2011, 12:09 AM
Hopefully a long series. Personally I see it going 6-7...

O.J A 6'4Mamba
04-30-2011, 12:21 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/hoop/TOC-HOOP0304-cover.jpg

EnoughSaid
04-30-2011, 12:21 AM
The most important match up will be Z-Bo and Ibaka. If Ibaka can handle Randolph and contain him to no big games then the Thunder will have no problem. Also, you have to worry about Durant getting defended by Tony Allen and Shane Battier.

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 12:22 AM
I don't understand how some of you are going to say OKC matches up badly with Memphis. They match up GREAT against Memphis.


They match up nicely against Thunder, Grizzlies in 4.

LOL. Wow.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 12:22 AM
Looking back at the games between these two sides this season, Memphis's front court killed ours. Green struggled awfully against Randolph, allowing him to average about 30 points and 15 rebounds, whilst he recorded 0 rebounds in one game where he played 45 minutes. Krstic was his usual soft self getting about 4 rebounds, not playing any D, etc.

I'm confident our new front court can handle Memphis alot better then it did earlier in the season, when we had Green and Krstic.

dunksby
04-30-2011, 12:26 AM
Looking back at the games between these two sides this season, Memphis's front court killed ours. Green struggled awfully against Randolph, allowing him to average about 30 points and 15 rebounds, whilst he recorded 0 rebounds in one game where he played 45 minutes. Krstic was his usual soft self getting about 4 rebounds, not playing any D, etc.

I'm confident our new front court can handle Memphis alot better then it did earlier in the season, when we had Green and Krstic.
Dude you cant compare those Soft asses to Ibaka and Perkins! Plus we got Nazr and Collison who are also solid off the bench.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 12:30 AM
Dude you cant compare those Soft asses to Ibaka and Perkins! Plus we got Nazr and Collison who are also solid off the bench.I'm saying that Ibaka and Perkins should be able to handle the Grizzlies front court better then the pathetic attempt that Green and Softic put together when these teams met during the season.

DuMa
04-30-2011, 12:34 AM
i like the series. young teams with bright futures. both team feeling like theyre playing with house money.

i hope for a 7 game series with lots of OTs. i think Mayo vs Harden will be the key

knickscity
04-30-2011, 12:37 AM
I can see all the games being close, possibly an OT or two.

Long series, with OKC pulling it out in 7.

This series I believe the Grizzlies will miss Rudy Gay.

Scoooter
04-30-2011, 12:38 AM
Thunder will win. Randolph's great play in the first round will lead to him taking more questionable shots and getting farther away from the solid, team-oriented basketball that's gotten the Grizzlies this far. Perkins will do a better job on Gasol, though Gasol has looked excellent thusfar.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 12:51 AM
Watching the series the Griz had a big advantage in Gasol's strength under the post, Duncan was getting man handled the whole series. I don't see Gasol doing that to Perkins.

ThaSwagg3r
04-30-2011, 12:54 AM
We will see how great Kevin Durant truly is in this series. He is going to have Tony Allen, Sam Young, and Shane Battier barking all over his ass in this series. Grizzlies would be smart to have Tony Allen defend Russell Westbrook and Shane Battier defend Kevin Durant.

This will be a close series.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Bad idea having Tony Allen guarding Durant. Allen is only 6'4 when Durant is 6'11

O_City_Thunder
04-30-2011, 01:16 AM
Bad idea having Tony Allen guarding Durant. Allen is only 6'4 when Durant is 6'11
And a bad idea having Tony Allen guarding Westbrook too. I think Westbrook would keep Allen in foul trouble. But then again, what other option do they have because Westbrook would own Conley.

Soothing Layup
04-30-2011, 01:19 AM
Thunder in 6 or 7.

Book it.

LA_Showtime
04-30-2011, 01:22 AM
We will see how great Kevin Durant truly is in this series. He is going to have Tony Allen, Sam Young, and Shane Battier barking all over his ass in this series. Grizzlies would be smart to have Tony Allen defend Russell Westbrook and Shane Battier defend Kevin Durant.

This will be a close series.

Allen on Westbrook and Battier on Durant. Oh My God. This Grizzlies team is awesome.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 01:35 AM
Durant has shat on Battier the past two they matched up

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 01:41 AM
Durant has shat on Battier the past two they matched up

Yeah I don't know what this nonsense is about Battier and Allen are going to shut down KD.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 01:44 AM
KD only struggles with physically strong defenders like Artest. Artest had about 20 pounds over Durant, whilst Battier weighs 10 pounds less then Durant.

1987_Lakers
04-30-2011, 01:44 AM
Yeah I don't know what this nonsense is about Battier and Allen are going to shut down KD.

Who said they were going to shut down Durant?

alenleomessi
04-30-2011, 02:01 AM
Thunder in no more than 5

15ppg+ for Harden this series

the_future02
04-30-2011, 02:10 AM
IBaka is about is about to take a big steaming shit on Z-Bo

dunksby
04-30-2011, 02:57 AM
We will see how great Kevin Durant truly is in this series. He is going to have Tony Allen, Sam Young, and Shane Battier barking all over his ass in this series. Grizzlies would be smart to have Tony Allen defend Russell Westbrook and Shane Battier defend Kevin Durant.

This will be a close series.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Everybody was saying the same shit over and over again about how Nuggetz were gonna stop him.

Kevin Durant's career averages against Memphis (13 games):
28PPG 47%FG 7RPG 1.5BPG
Kevin Durant against Memphis this year (4 games):
30.5PPG 47.3% FG 8.3 RPG 1.0 BPG

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 02:59 AM
Kevin Durant against Memphis this year (4 games):
30.5PPG 47.3% FG 8.3 RPG 1.0 BPG

I knew he'd played well against them but DAMN.

dunksby
04-30-2011, 03:03 AM
I knew he'd played well against them but DAMN.
Clearly Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Sam Young all missed the 4 games against OKC!

anjel02
04-30-2011, 03:06 AM
Clearly Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Sam Young all missed the 4 games against OKC!


ummm....Tony Allen played all four games vs Thunder and there a video on YouTube I think it's called Tony Allen vs Kevin Durant and they show how Tony Allen defense frustrated KD.

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 03:06 AM
ummm....Tony Allen played all four games vs Thunder and there a video on YouTube I think it's called Tony Allen vs Kevin Durant and they show how Tony Allen defense frustrated KD.

He was being facetious.

BMOGEFan
04-30-2011, 03:45 AM
Do people forget the Grizzlies beat the Thunders 3 times int he regular season? sure each game was incredibly close, but I'm not counting the Grizz out.

ThaSwagg3r
04-30-2011, 03:46 AM
Do people forget the Grizzlies beat the Thunders 3 times int he regular season? sure each game was incredibly close, but I'm not counting the Grizz out.
Didn't they have Rudy Gay for those games? If they had him, I am pretty sure the Grizzlies would be the favorite tbh with you.

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 05:37 AM
Do people forget the Grizzlies beat the Thunders 3 times int he regular season? sure each game was incredibly close, but I'm not counting the Grizz out.Do people forget that the Thunder had one of the softest front courts in the league with Green and Krstic?

Xover
04-30-2011, 05:44 AM
lol durant has a major advantage with his length over shane battier and tony allen, not to mention he is the top scorer in the league with the athleticism of a 22 YEAR OLD

Kebab Stall
04-30-2011, 06:04 AM
Should be a really close tough series. No way is this series going to be finished in less than 6 games, so we may as well just all sit back and enjoy.

The only thing I'm worried about is OKC's talent and amount of scorers they have. Whereas Memphis have a bunch of defensive minded guys, but really, without Rudy Gay, only one true scorer, that being Randolph.

Without Rudy, other guys are really going to have step up this series. No longer can OJ be the little ***** he has been all f*cking season, he needs to step and do something, anything.

If Memphis can keep the scoring low and get the ball in to the paint to Gasol and Randolph, then it won't be as hard.

Realistically, I'd go with Thunder in 6.

El Seano
04-30-2011, 06:04 AM
I'm so glad this series is gonna happen. Arguably the two most exciting young teams in the league going at each other, both full of confidence and both with the potential to win the series. If only Gay were healthy this would be a stellar match up at every position 1-5.

I don't really care who wins as long as it's an entertaining series but my heart says Grizzlies in 6 or 7 and my head says OKC in 5 or 6.

Last time an 8 seed bumped a 1 seed, they lost 4-1 in the second round but frankly I don't think you can draw parallels between the Warriors and the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies are a more complete team and also OKC is shit ton better than that Jazz team.

O.J A 6'4Mamba
04-30-2011, 06:45 AM
Should be a really close tough series. No way is this series going to be finished in less than 6 games, so we may as well just all sit back and enjoy.

The only thing I'm worried about is OKC's talent and amount of scorers they have. Whereas Memphis have a bunch of defensive minded guys, but really, without Rudy Gay, only one true scorer, that being Randolph.

Without Rudy, other guys are really going to have step up this series. No longer can OJ be the little ***** he has been all f*cking season, he needs to step and do something, anything.

If Memphis can keep the scoring low and get the ball in to the paint to Gasol and Randolph, then it won't be as hard.

Realistically, I'd go with Thunder in 6.

stop talking sh** b***. You can't contribute if you ain't getting playing time, and when you do get playing time not seeing the ball.

Kebab Stall
04-30-2011, 07:25 AM
stop talking sh** b***. You can't contribute if you ain't getting playing time, and when you do get playing time not seeing the ball.
Oh will you, just for once, stop talking out of your arse.

The reason he isn't getting playing time, is because he's not producing. Even with Rudy out, he still hasn't done a damn thing.

What did he contribute to the Spurs series? Go on, I have all day to wait, I'm sure you can think of something.

ImmortalNemesis
04-30-2011, 08:16 AM
Do people forget that the Thunder had one of the softest front courts in the league with Green and Krstic?

Oh plz. At this point is pretty clear that Perkins' man to man defense was overrated. Nene made Perkins his b*tch. Randolph will make Ibaka his ***** and Gasol will outplay perkins. not saying okc will win, but Memphis front court > okc's front court. memphis will lose because they lack perimeter scoring.

DRose1899
04-30-2011, 09:22 AM
Why so sure Ibaka will matchup with Zbo n perk with Marc?

KDthunderup
04-30-2011, 09:48 AM
Oh plz. At this point is pretty clear that Perkins' man to man defense was overrated. Nene made Perkins his b*tch. Randolph will make Ibaka his ***** and Gasol will outplay perkins. not saying okc will win, but Memphis front court > okc's front court. memphis will lose because they lack perimeter scoring.Nene apart from game 1 had a quiet series. Im not trying to say that our frontcourt is better then Memphis's, though our defense is alot better now then what it use to be

50inchvertical
04-30-2011, 09:51 AM
Oh plz. At this point is pretty clear that Perkins' man to man defense was overrated. Nene made Perkins his b*tch. Randolph will make Ibaka his ***** and Gasol will outplay perkins. not saying okc will win, but Memphis front court > okc's front court. memphis will lose because they lack perimeter scoring.
Nene is a borderline all star caliber inside player, he scores on EVERYONE. Nobody thought Perkins was going to hold him to 0 pts, however, Perkins DID hold him to 9 points in game 5 and end of the day, Ibaka made Perkins his *****.

As for their frontcourt, it's tough. I think we should start with Perk on Randolph and Ibaka on Gasol. Randolph pump fakes too much and Serge tends to bite on those.

Tony Allen though, he is going to shut down KD. We'll need Russ to get out of whatever the hell he has been in the last 2 games to make up for that.

PBJ_Time
04-30-2011, 12:19 PM
I think this one goes the distance. After a hard fought series, Thunder in 7.

GOBB
04-30-2011, 12:48 PM
Why does the series start today after Grizzlies just finished a game last night? Scheduling is weird.

OKCThunderUP
04-30-2011, 12:53 PM
Why does the series start today after Grizzlies just finished a game last night? Scheduling is weird.

Huh? Game 1 is tomorrow.

Ol Dirty Bastard
04-30-2011, 01:04 PM
Hoping this goes to 7, going to be an entertaining series.

feel bad for Rudy Gay though, dude deserves to be playing on this great playoff run

GOBB
04-30-2011, 01:10 PM
Huh? Game 1 is tomorrow.

You're right, when I went to espn.com/nba and looked up "scores" it had the game preview at 1pm. but I didnt realize the "date" qwas set to sunday. Assumed today. Thats cool, no games today tho. Can watch baseball and draft.

Rose
04-30-2011, 01:26 PM
Nene is a borderline all star caliber inside player, he scores on EVERYONE. Nobody thought Perkins was going to hold him to 0 pts, however, Perkins DID hold him to 9 points in game 5 and end of the day, Ibaka made Perkins his *****.

As for their frontcourt, it's tough. I think we should start with Perk on Randolph and Ibaka on Gasol. Randolph pump fakes too much and Serge tends to bite on those.

Tony Allen though, he is going to shut down KD. We'll need Russ to get out of whatever the hell he has been in the last 2 games to make up for that.
TA's defense has gotten better in the post season somehow, but I'd rather see him on Russy than Durant. Because he can probably mess with Durant for awhile, but KD will figure him out. If I were Hollins I'd do this...
Let Young defend him till battier comes in, then Battier straight up unless he gets burned, if he does rotate him and TA. then keep Young/Battier on him till the fourth and unleash TA on him then. I think Conley and him on Russy should be enough to hold him to essentially....nothing.

Sorta like how the Suns kept the Nash/STAT pick and roll pretty hidden until the 4th last year.

anjel02
04-30-2011, 03:04 PM
I kno I said Memphis in 7...but now that I had a good night sleep...I'm so torn... just because I have a very good friend who is like a little brother to me (OJ Mayo) and a cousin who is an assistant coach for OKC (Maurice Cheeks) I just don't kno who to go for now! Grr!

ThunderKat
04-30-2011, 03:10 PM
Should be a good series! If Westbrook and Harden step up it could be over quick. The key will be shutting down Z-Bo and Gasol.

Shepseskaf
04-30-2011, 03:21 PM
The Grizz absolutely have a chance to take this. Westbrooke is obviously very talented, but I don't like his decision-making -- too many quick, bad shots taken. Plus he seems like a bit of a headcase.

Durant vs. ZBo down the stretch should be fun to watch. Two MVP-caliber players playing biggest when it counts.

Grizz in 7 is my prediction.

krazymofo
04-30-2011, 03:22 PM
4-2 Grizzlies

O.J A 6'4Mamba
04-30-2011, 03:45 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/dd/fullj.e110792f5f61c8ccefbdfc624d2cb0c8/ap-1add024c07c5480d96487ee397951e42.jpg

We keep it hood
Grizzlies in 4

Soothing Layup
04-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Grizzles in 4? There is just no way.

wally_world
04-30-2011, 03:58 PM
Let the Grizzlies overating begin :oldlol:

(i like the Griz, and applaud their 1st round victory, but people here are really thinking them as contenders)

dunksby
04-30-2011, 03:58 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/dd/fullj.e110792f5f61c8ccefbdfc624d2cb0c8/ap-1add024c07c5480d96487ee397951e42.jpg

We keep it hood
Grizzlies in 4
But Mayo says in 6? :confusedshrug:

O.J A 6'4Mamba
04-30-2011, 04:01 PM
But Mayo says in 6? :confusedshrug:



http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1787/bjbaiiii11fm6.jpg
it is a gang sign

50inchvertical
04-30-2011, 04:11 PM
Gang is soft,

RUdy Fernandez is in it

http://www.interbasket.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Rudy-Fernandez-three-point-googles.jpg

50inchvertical
04-30-2011, 04:11 PM
and Barbosa
http://valleyofthesuns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/dc1b34722a1ab9b191874b5b61264d85-getty-98764671rr033_los_angeles_l.jpg

50inchvertical
04-30-2011, 04:12 PM
and Calderon
http://www.nba.com/media/act_jose_calderon.jpg

HB40TheNextStar
04-30-2011, 04:49 PM
Thunder in 5.

Cowboy Thunder
04-30-2011, 04:59 PM
Tony Allen and Battier :eek:

Luckily for KD, we do set the best screens in the NBA with Collison, Perk, etc.


Still though, this is going to be a beast of a series. Thunder in 6, Memphis is just one sharp shooter away from being better than us.

Thunder/Grizz & Celts/Heat...is there anyone else even playing? :oldlol: :bowdown:

Cowboy Thunder
04-30-2011, 05:01 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Tony Allen performs as well as he usually does in OKC. :eek:

Cowboy Thunder
04-30-2011, 05:07 PM
Heard some of the makers of "Grizzlygate" are flying down to OKC tomorrow to sport Vancouver Grizzly flags and jerseys courtside. Stern really robbed Vancouver. It's just such a shame. Poor Canada. :cry:


:oldlol:

Hulk Hogan
04-30-2011, 05:20 PM
Memphis in 6.
Durant will be shut down.
Westbrook will go into chuck mode.

Ikill
04-30-2011, 05:46 PM
stop talking sh** b***. You can't contribute if you ain't getting playing time, and when you do get playing time not seeing the ball.
I'm not going lie even when your dude is playing he don't get his touches

50inchvertical
04-30-2011, 05:53 PM
I'm getting ready to leave now. I'm not doing shit right now anyways and I hate long drives in the morning so I'm just going to go get a hotel.

Thunder fans still looking for tickets, stubhub prices are bottoing out like they always do <18 hrs before the event.

Samurai Swoosh
04-30-2011, 06:05 PM
Durant vs. ZBo down the stretch should be fun to watch. Two MVP-caliber players playing biggest when it counts.
Wait .... what? Zach Randolph MVP caliber? My god this stuff has to stop.

:oldlol:

I swear ISH jumps the gun on so many players.

dunksby
04-30-2011, 06:18 PM
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1787/bjbaiiii11fm6.jpg
it is a gang sign
Daymn son, you ARE stupid :facepalm

GOBB
04-30-2011, 08:46 PM
Well Brandon Jennings is affiliated with a Cali gang (Bloods). I've caught him throwing the sign up when he doesnt hit a 3. But that could just be a gesture he does out of habit or something. Ray Allen hits a 3 and flicks 2 fingers. He's in the Peace in the Middle East gang. :lol

And Rudy is affiliated with the Russian mafia. I read it in the euro times.

Cowboy Thunder
04-30-2011, 10:45 PM
Well the Thunder are a good lot of kids.

Our bunch doesn't have tattoo's and they use their manners when they talk.


So the Grizzlies Gang-members better straighten out their MO, or they are going to get a stern talking to about their behaviours. :mad:

Rose
04-30-2011, 10:56 PM
Well Brandon Jennings is affiliated with a Cali gang (Bloods). I've caught him throwing the sign up when he doesnt hit a 3. But that could just be a gesture he does out of habit or something. Ray Allen hits a 3 and flicks 2 fingers. He's in the Peace in the Middle East gang. :lol

And Rudy is affiliated with the Russian mafia. I read it in the euro times.
:roll:

OKCThunderUP
05-01-2011, 02:13 AM
Series primer from Memphis Flyer, Part I:
http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2011/05/01/second-round-preview-ten-questions-and-attempted-answers-on-grizzlies-thunder


Second Round Preview: Ten Questions and (Attempted) Answers on Grizzlies-Thunder
Posted by Chris Herrington on Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:47 AM

The Grizzlies' second-round series with the Oklahoma City Thunder tips off at noon today. With very little time to work through this match-up, a quick, instant-reaction take on how this series may shape up:

1. What does the first-round tell us about these teams?

As impressive as the Grizzlies were in upsetting the top-seeded San Antonio Spurs, the Thunder might have been even more impressive with their five-game dismissal of a surging Denver Nuggets team.

Both the Grizzlies and Thunder come into this series with their "A" game clicking: For the Grizzlies, that means frontcourt duo Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol, who combined to average 36 points and 21 rebounds while physically controlling the series. For the Thunder, that means dynamic perimeter duo Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, who combined to average 56 points a game in an uptempo series against the Nuggets.

As with the Spurs series, this will be a battle of "inside" vs. "outside." Inside prevailed for the Grizzlies in the first round, but this time the team faces a younger, more dynamic opponent that seems to be peaking at the right time.

2. How meaningful was the regular-season series?

Not very. The Grizzlies won the season series with the Thunder 3-1, but all the games were in single digits, two featured injured Griz star Rudy Gay, and, most crucially, none of them featured the Thunder's new starting center, former Celtic Kendrick Perkins. The Grizzlies' road win at Oklahoma City, in overtime, was one of the most memorable games of the season, played without both Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo, and featured perhaps the greatest performance — on and off the court — of Tony Allen's career:

But it's probably not worth investing much faith in the regular-season results of this match-up.

3. Is Game 1 a scheduled loss for the Grizzlies?

It sure seems that way. Though the Grizzlies were the last team to advance from the first round, they will play in the first game of the second round — roughly 36 hours after an emotional series win against the Spurs. They will do so on the road, with minimal time to adjust to their new opponent, with their season-series experience of limited preparatory value, and with their opponent having an extra two days rest. This is a recipe for a 15+ point loss. If Sunday's game is at all close in the final six minutes, it will be an impressive performance from the Grizzlies.

4. Can the Thunder's bigs defend Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol?

If the Grizzlies are going to have a chance in this series, their inside game is going to have to continue to be effective. Zach Randolph dominated the Thunder in the regular season, averaging 27 points and 13 rebounds. But those numbers are built on three games (31/16, 27/16, 31/14) against a frontline of Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green, both of whom have since been dispatched to Boston.

In the final game of the regular-season series, Randolph faced a Thunder frontline of current starting power forward Serge Ibaka and current backup center Nazr Mohammed. The result was a sub par 17/6.

Now, the Thunder will feature a combo of the athletic Ibaka (10 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.8 blocks per game in the Nuggets series) and tough, proven post defender Kendrick Perkins, with the solid Mohammed and Nick Collison coming off the bench. This is a better corps of frontcourt defenders than the Spurs had.

For the Grizzlies, the best bet is probably to attack Ibaka in the post, where the wide, strong bodies of Randolph and Gasol can perhaps exploit his thinner frame. This will also serve to neutralize Ibaka's strength, which is his weak side shot blocking.

As for Perkins, one factor is that he's only been a 25-minute-a-game player for the Thunder, both in the regular season and against the Nuggets. If that holds, then Randolph and Gasol will get plenty of match-ups against Collison and Mohammed. Those guys are less fearsome, but they won't be as easy to handle as Matt Bonner and Dejuan Blair.

But, if the Thunder bigs are superior to their Spurs counterparts defensively, they are not as good offensively. There's no post scorer here as good as Tim Duncan, mid-range shooter as troubling as Antonio McDyess, or floor-stretcher as dangerous (in theory at least) as Matt Bonner.

This will put a little less pressure on the Grizzlies frontcourt defensively in terms of defending their man, but the bigger problem for Grizzlies bigs is going to be trying to help contain and contest Durant and Westbrook drives while avoiding foul trouble.

5. Can the Grizzlies' perimeter defenders slow down Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant?

The Grizzlies just disrupted the league's second-best regular-season offense. Can they have similar success against the fourth-ranked Thunder?

Even though the Grizzlies boast two of the NBA's best perimeter defenders in Tony Allen and Shane Battier, I'm less optimistic.

The Thunder's go-to scorers — Westbrook and Durant — are bigger and more athletic than their Spurs' counterparts — Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili — and even more difficult match-ups as a result.

The Grizzlies did an amazing job taking away the Spurs' offensive calling card — their league-best three-point shooting. Can they be as effective against the Thunder's strength, which is getting to the line?

In the regular season, the Thunder were second in the league in free-throw attempts at 29.3 a game. And they made teams pay: Shooting an NBA-best 82% from the stripe. This is all about Westbrook and Durant, who combined for 16.7 free-throw attempts per game in the regular season and 19.2 in the Nuggets series — more than half of the team total in both instances.

Figuring out how to best juggle rotations and match-ups to combat Durant and Westbrook will be an enormous challenge for Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins and his defensive lieutenant, Dave Joerger.

The obvious match-ups are to have Mike Conley on his point guard counterpart Westbrook and defensive stopper Tony Allen on Durant, and that may well be the most common configuration. But with the longer Shane Battier as an option on Durant now and with Westbrook such a difficult match-up for Conley, I wonder how much we'll see Allen on Westbrook and Battier on Durant simultaneously.

Against the Thunder's starters, you could hide Conley on 6'8" two guard Thabo Sefolosha, who is not much of an offensive threat. But without a high-scoring wing player to worry about, it's likely that Sefolosha gives up even more minutes than usual — especially in the fourth quarters — to the more offensively skilled sixth-man James Harden.

Whatever the Grizzlies do, they're going to have some tough match-ups along the perimeter. At least the Grizzlies' depth will be a help.

Westbrook and Durant dominate the Thunder's offense, accounting for 36.7 of 80.6 field-goal attempts per game in the regular season and pushing the number just past 50% in the Nuggets series. With little scoring punch in the Thunder frontcourt, if the Grizzlies can slow down one of the two, it could make a big impact on the Thunder's effectiveness.

As a matter of strategy — hope? — the best bet might be to try to limit Durant's touches — or at least make him work harder for them — with ball-denial defense, while trying to bait and prod the more volatile Westbrook into bad shots and turnovers.

OKCThunderUP
05-01-2011, 02:18 AM
Part II:

6. Tony Allen: "Grit Grind" or "Trick or Treat"?

Tony Allen had a career-transforming regular season for the Grizzlies, but he was more erratic in the Spurs series, mixing strong drives and effective passes with possession-killing decisions and bad shots, steal-generating defense with foul-prone defense.

The Grizzlies need Allen to find a better balance between energy and control in this series, where his defense will be badly needed. They need him to be this year's "Grit Grind" Tony rather than the old "Trick or Treat" Tony.

For what it's worth, Allen was fabulous in the regular season against the Thunder, averaging 19 points on 57% shooting with 2.5 steals per game. And he had arguably his two most memorable performances of the season in wins against OKC.

If he can come close to duplicating that performance in this series, it will go a long way towards giving the Grizzlies a chance.

7. How much does it suck that Rudy Gay isn't playing in this series?

A lot. Gay averaged 24-5-4 on 58% shooting in two games against the Thunder this season. And while he's not the defender Allen or Battier is, he certainly matches up athletically with Durant better than any of the Grizzlies' current options. And Gay could do one thing none of the Grizzlies other small forwards are as likely to do: Make Durant work defensively. Maybe next year.

8. Who are the X-Factors?

If one of these teams gets a clear advantage in the match-up between bearded sixth-man shooters — O.J. Mayo and James Harden — it could be very meaningful. Harden has had the better season, but Mayo — shooting 50% from 3, but only 30% from two — has probably been a little better in the playoffs.

With the Grizzlies likely to be at least a little less effective with their post offense this series and with Mike Conley facing such a tough match-up with Westbrook, the Grizzlies need someone else to step up offensively. If Mayo gets hot, he could have a big impact on this series.

But the biggest X-factor in this series could end up being Greivis Vasquez. The Grizzlies' rookie played crucial minutes in the clinching Game 6. With Conley in more danger of foul trouble against Westbrook, Vasquez could well get more minutes in this series. And if he can play well offensively, his minutes could actually be a match-up help for the Grizzlies. With his two-guard size and point-guard game, it would be easier for the Grizzlies to put Vasquez on someone like Harden, freeing the team up to match it's best defenders — Allen and Battier — against the Thunder's best scorers — Westbrook and Durant.

9. Is this series a preview of coming attractions?
Could be. The Western Conference final four definitely has an "old West" vs. "new West" feel about it, with the Lakers-Mavericks series representing the old guard and this Thunder-Grizzlies match-up potentially representing emerging contenders.

The Thunder, barring some unexpected stumble, are already established as the conference's next power team. The Grizzlies, with a strong series here and a good summer (i.e., resigning Marc Gasol) could position themselves as the Thunder's most likely competitor among the younger Western Conference teams.

10. Can the Grizzlies continue their upset streak?

The interior/perimeter contrast here is similar to that in the Spurs series. But the Grizzlies were able to make the Spurs look small, old, and unathletic — and that's not happening here.

And if the Grizzlies are really better than their eighth seed, the same appears to be true of the Thunder.

The Grizzlies need a strong series from Mike Conley — or a surprising one from Vasquez — and need to find a way to disrupt the Thunder's dynamic perimeter attack while maintaining their strong interior play.

Given the quick turnaround and potential for emotional letdown, I sense the Thunder will win Game 1 and fear the Thunder in 5 as a potential result. But this Grizzlies team has been too resilient not to think they'll put up a better fight than that.

Prediction: Thunder in 6. Hopefully I'm just as wrong about that as I was in round one.

Lakers Legend#32
05-01-2011, 03:37 AM
Oklahoma and Tennessee in a battle to see who is the bigger hillbilly state.

Shepseskaf
05-01-2011, 05:56 AM
Wait .... what? Zach Randolph MVP caliber? My god this stuff has to stop.

:oldlol:

I swear ISH jumps the gun on so many players.
MVP means Most Valuable Player, in case you didn't know it. Can you think of anyone in the playoffs thus far who's been more valuable to their team than ZBo? Has anyone else put an entire team on his back and delivered the way he has? The answer: No.

So, that's what I mean by saying that Durant and Zo were MVP-caliber players, as perhaps the two who will be depended on the most to come through down the stretch.

Can you understand the logic behind that explanation?

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 11:53 AM
Oklahoma and Tennessee in a battle to see who is the bigger hillbilly state.

Remind me, who is Seattle playing today? Oh wait... :roll: :roll: :roll:

bagelred
05-01-2011, 12:22 PM
Prediction time: OKC over Memphis in 5.

OKC is not San Antonio. They are young, athletic, and talented, with 2 superior players. I think Memphis is Denver 2.0. Alot of really good players, but no one great to carry them to victory like a Durant......


And f-ck David Stern for always favoring the small markets. OKC vs. Memphis? Good one Stern. It's fans of teams like mine in New York who never had a chance to begin with.

Goffer3
05-01-2011, 12:58 PM
With you bagelred.Thunder in 4 or 5. OKC will win the west.imho. thats was my pick and sticking to it. Too long, too athletic

alenleomessi
05-01-2011, 01:03 PM
Prediction time: OKC over Memphis in 5.

OKC is not San Antonio. They are young, athletic, and talented, with 2 superior players. I think Memphis is Denver 2.0. Alot of really good players, but no one great to carry them to victory like a Durant......


And f-ck David Stern for always favoring the small markets. OKC vs. Memphis? Good one Stern. It's fans of teams like mine in New York who never had a chance to begin with.
I agree on everything except this
I think Zach showed that he can carry them to playoffs wins

alenleomessi
05-01-2011, 01:03 PM
My prediction OKC by 9, win series in 5

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:04 PM
Let's do this!!! :rockon:

nathanjizzle
05-01-2011, 01:04 PM
swag swag swag :rockon:

alenleomessi
05-01-2011, 01:08 PM
Damn zach :bowdown:

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:09 PM
Lets go Grizzlies, f*ck OKC and the refs who bet on them. :applause:

OriginalNameGuy
05-01-2011, 01:09 PM
Z-Bo!
:bowdown: :bowdown:

Bone Machine
05-01-2011, 01:09 PM
Jeez... Zach Randolph.

Andrei89
05-01-2011, 01:10 PM
Upset ftw!

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:11 PM
Rudy Gay would be great in this situation as a scorer. Tony Allen/Sam Young are wishy washy with scoring.

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:11 PM
Thunder always start out sluggish.

Draz
05-01-2011, 01:11 PM
I hope Grizzlies can pull a upset again. MMmmm Gasol is nice.

alenleomessi
05-01-2011, 01:13 PM
good game so far

PianoMan
05-01-2011, 01:14 PM
Here we go Durant going to the free throw line :rolleyes:

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:18 PM
Westbrook is playing well, which is good news. :banana:

Draz
05-01-2011, 01:21 PM
You see the one guy in the crowed wearing a light blue t shirt..

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:21 PM
Durant FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:22 PM
Durflopppper trying to get a petty foul call. No sir thanks refs :cheers:

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:22 PM
Are you serious with these no calls?:facepalm

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 01:23 PM
Gasol is making some great passes. Some Bill Walton shit.

Bone Machine
05-01-2011, 01:23 PM
Oh hell.... That's not goaltending god damn it...

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 01:24 PM
Durant can't palm a basketball, can he? He looks like he has tiny hands.

blaze_itt
05-01-2011, 01:24 PM
a little late to the party but I see memphis up

k0kakw0rld
05-01-2011, 01:24 PM
Zach Randolph Mvp Over D.rose

PianoMan
05-01-2011, 01:25 PM
Lets go Memphis you are the underdogs prove everyone wrong.

The Decision
05-01-2011, 01:25 PM
You guys do know we have the game one game thread here?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220265

:facepalm

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:26 PM
a little late to the party but I see memphis up

:lol Remember when Denver was up by 13 in that first game? Thunder always start out this way and wear teams down with their D.

boxclever
05-01-2011, 01:27 PM
Durant can't palm a basketball, can he? He looks like he has tiny hands.
His one major flaw, he has terrible handles for an elite player

blaze_itt
05-01-2011, 01:28 PM
:lol Remember when Denver was up by 13 in that first game? Thunder always start out this way and wear teams down with their D.
definitely.. I think memphis is a much better defensive team than the nuggets though. still, Durant is a monster

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:28 PM
KD :banana: :banana:

Draz
05-01-2011, 01:28 PM
Memphis are playing like an elite team out there.

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:31 PM
Thunder are doing a good job, they just need to contest more shots. They need to prevent the easy shots their big guys are getting. Should be an easy adjustment that will slow them down.

The Decision
05-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Thunder are doing a good job, they just need to contest more shots. They need to prevent the easy shots their big guys are getting. Should be an easy adjustment that will slow them down.

STFU idiot, this isn't the game thread.


take your talents here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220265

Which part of that didn't you understand? :facepalm

FourthTenor
05-01-2011, 01:34 PM
It just occurred to me that Memphis actually is the better team again in this series and will win it.

ThunderKat
05-01-2011, 01:35 PM
STFU idiot, this isn't the game thread.


take your talents here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220265

Which part of that didn't you understand? :facepalm

Idiot.. really? Looks like they listened to me with Nazr on the block. I didn't realize this wasn't the game thread, though.

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:36 PM
Grizzlies keep turning the ball over. Take care of it.

Love Shane Battier. If Sixers had him we beat the Heat. :lol

jack612blue
05-01-2011, 01:36 PM
Vazquez has a nice runner/floater type shot.

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:38 PM
OJ Mayo show up young man, showwwwwwwww uuuuuuuup :applause:

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 01:38 PM
Greivis Vasquez has been playing well lately.

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:44 PM
Westbrook out of control. :facepalm

Mr Know It All
05-01-2011, 01:45 PM
I don't know how people ignored the Grizzlies' big match up advantages in this series again. They have a magnificent front court and two all-NBA defenders to throw at Durant.

Bigsmoke
05-01-2011, 01:46 PM
Westbrook out of control. :facepalm

u said the Grizzlies had no chance beating the Spurs :lol

GreatHILL
05-01-2011, 01:46 PM
hubie brown is a dumbass

sportsfan76
05-01-2011, 01:47 PM
hubie brown is a dumbass


what did hubie say that was crazy?

GOBB
05-01-2011, 01:49 PM
u said the Grizzlies had no chance beating the Spurs :lol

I know...thought spurs were gonna win the title this year. I think Tony Parker was in on a fix. Freeze assets. :lol

I think Memphis matches up better with OKC but figured Spurs experience and coaching would trump them. Go Hawks! heh

Droid101
05-01-2011, 01:51 PM
Grizzlies in 6. Stop doubting them, people.

As a Laker fan, I'm pretty terrified about the conference finals if the Grizzlies keep playing like this.

ChandlerParsons
05-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Grizzlies in 6. Stop doubting them, people.

As a Laker fan, I'm pretty terrified about the conference finals if the Grizzlies keep playing like this.
I agree Grizz in 6.
I hope not that many crucial star calls gets called.

catch24
05-01-2011, 01:53 PM
Grizzlies look really good right now. Offensively their ball movement is so fluid.

Z-BO :eek: :bowdown:

The Ownage
05-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Zach on some g shit :bowdown:

blablabla
05-01-2011, 01:58 PM
zach is killing the thunder

Bosnian Sajo
05-01-2011, 01:59 PM
Memphis killing it gollyyyyyyyyy, total surprise.

jack612blue
05-01-2011, 02:00 PM
Wow so many bs foul calls favoring the thunder. Westbrook wasnt even fouled.

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 02:00 PM
There's no way that was a foul. C'mon.

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 02:03 PM
Make-up call.

Babalu
05-01-2011, 02:03 PM
NBA has to do something about those fouls. That is such BS and makes the league look ridiculous when they call those. They should be considered flops and not called.

Scoooter
05-01-2011, 02:04 PM
What the **** is up with these whistles? The last three calls have been laughably terrible.

kabalcage
05-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Grizzlies are looking like the best team in the league, what a story that would be.

GOBB
05-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Grizzlies in 6. Stop doubting them, people.

As a Laker fan, I'm pretty terrified about the conference finals if the Grizzlies keep playing like this.

:rolleyes:

Hittin_Shots
05-01-2011, 02:06 PM
Lol commentator says "yes see theres the contact on the hand" camera angle changes and his hands like a metre away from him.

branslowski
05-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Grizzlies in 6. Stop doubting them, people.

As a Laker fan, I'm pretty terrified about the conference finals if the Grizzlies keep playing like this.

Post would have meant something if posted about an hour ago....Not after Grizz is woopin ass.

O.J A 6'4Mamba
05-01-2011, 02:12 PM
OJ Mayo show up young man, showwwwwwwww uuuuuuuup :applause:

OJ Mayo getting so good in every part of the game outside of midrange game. Tragedy he doesn't see much floor time When he gets traded this off season he will be putting up legit all star numbers


Keep it up Zach though, let's win this

ChandlerParsons
05-01-2011, 02:13 PM
Post would have meant something if posted about an hour ago....Not after Grizz is woopin ass.
Well they did win the season series 3-1.. I think

Cowboy Thunder
05-01-2011, 02:18 PM
Heard some of the makers of "Grizzlygate" are flying down to OKC tomorrow to sport Vancouver Grizzly flags and jerseys courtside. Stern really robbed Vancouver. It's just such a shame. Poor Canada. :cry:


:oldlol:

Dissapointed I haven't seen the Grizzlygate people. Maybe they have lives. :(

1rkrage
05-01-2011, 02:33 PM
cheap move

Assassin
05-01-2011, 02:36 PM
Zbo getting all the lucky rolls:lol

Moneyshot
05-01-2011, 02:38 PM
Mike Conley ****ing sucks. Get Vasquez in.

lakerspng
05-01-2011, 02:38 PM
Refs doin the grizz dirty now.

Z Bo is the best player in the playoffs so far

The Choken One
05-01-2011, 02:39 PM
Mike Conley ****ing sucks. Get Vasquez in.
Not even close...Conley is a pretty legit PG.

Moneyshot
05-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Not even close...Conley is a pretty legit PG.


Yeah, he's pretty legit at dribbling for 20 seconds and missing shots in the lane.

The Choken One
05-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Yeah, he's pretty legit at dribbling for 20 seconds and missing shots in the lane.
Rather him then Fish. :lol

Assassin
05-01-2011, 03:07 PM
Now the Thunder starts playing D.

Moneyshot
05-01-2011, 03:16 PM
Durant with the quietest 27 points ever.

Eat Like A Bosh
05-01-2011, 03:19 PM
The Grizz leading by 7 with 2:47 to go.
They might just steak Game 1

Eat Like A Bosh
05-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Yeah KD quietly putting up 30. I didn't even knew how much he scored.

Eat Like A Bosh
05-01-2011, 03:23 PM
Safe to call it game right now?

blacknapalm
05-01-2011, 03:25 PM
conley's gotten so much better at running the pick n' roll. really impressed with this memphis team. most underrated FC in the league and randolph looks to be on a mission

The Choken One
05-01-2011, 03:27 PM
Safe to call it game right now?
Wouldn't say yet...the Grizz could collapse. But the way they're playing...most likely over.

If The Grizz play like this the rest of the playoffs...I could honestly see them winning the West. But they're playing practically perfect ball... so that's a stretch. They got a frontline that can handle the Lakers..or atleast now be dominated by them.

Yung D-Will
05-01-2011, 03:36 PM
Wouldn't say yet...the Grizz could collapse. But the way they're playing...most likely over.

If The Grizz play like this the rest of the playoffs...I could honestly see them winning the West. But they're playing practically perfect ball... so that's a stretch. They got a frontline that can handle the Lakers..or atleast now be dominated by them.

If you saw the spurs series you already know the Griz don't colapse they just dont die

(e)
05-01-2011, 03:39 PM
Wow. Hats off to Memphis, they just play ball.

dunksby
05-01-2011, 04:11 PM
Memphis was just the better team. We gotta pick it up or we end up like the Spurs.

Soothing Layup
05-01-2011, 08:06 PM
I see a level-headed Westbrook coming out in G2.

105-98 OKC WINS

KD with 38 pts.

KDthunderup
05-01-2011, 08:17 PM
We looked so flat, that would have to be our worst performance so far these playoffs. Take nothing away from Memphis, they were great. Game 2 is already a series defining match, if we don't win on Tuesday, its all over.

DixieNourmous
05-01-2011, 09:10 PM
Good Game :cheers: Gonna be a great series

O.J A 6'4Mamba
05-03-2011, 02:51 AM
Good Game :cheers: Gonna be a great series
4 games=boring series

OKCThunderUP
05-03-2011, 03:31 AM
Wouldn't say yet...the Grizz could collapse. But the way they're playing...most likely over.

If The Grizz play like this the rest of the playoffs...I could honestly see them winning the West. But they're playing practically perfect ball... so that's a stretch. They got a frontline that can handle the Lakers..or atleast now be dominated by them.

Calling the series over after 1 game? You can't be serious. :facepalm

blacknapalm
05-03-2011, 06:03 AM
if you're OKC, do you double z-bo off the weak side? as long as you aren't leaving gasol, i think it could make sense. i certainly don't think it's out of the question. even KD says he's the best PF in the game and unstoppable (an honest assessment or a ploy to get him to relax?) make them shoot outside. when ibaka helps on D, he can't leave his man completely because he's out of position for rebounds. that's how gasol got a couple.

and z-bo on perk: "he can't stop me. he's too slow."

swagggg

ThunderKat
05-03-2011, 07:34 AM
We looked so flat, that would have to be our worst performance so far these playoffs. Take nothing away from Memphis, they were great. Game 2 is already a series defining match, if we don't win on Tuesday, its all over.

Memphis couldn't miss in game 1. They won't play that well again. I think OKC wins by double digits in game 2. I do agree that if they don't win tonight then it's over.

Remember guys, the Lakers lost to NO in game 1 and some people were ready to say they were done after that loss.

ThunderKat
05-03-2011, 07:35 AM
if you're OKC, do you double z-bo off the weak side? as long as you aren't leaving gasol, i think it could make sense. i certainly don't think it's out of the question. even KD says he's the best PF in the game and unstoppable (an honest assessment or a ploy to get him to relax?) make them shoot outside. when ibaka helps on D, he can't leave his man completely because he's out of position for rebounds. that's how gasol got a couple.

and z-bo on perk: "he can't stop me. he's too slow."

swagggg

I want to go on record that I think Z-blow ;) will get punked tonight. I think he's due for a really bad game.

Bertz
05-03-2011, 07:48 AM
I doubt a player who plays with so much confidence at this point will have a 'really bad game'. Nonetheless, Thunder will win this game.

Especially their performance as a team tonight will be crucial for the remainder of this series. If they can't bring some confidence to Memphis, their candle is likely to go out.

blacknapalm
05-03-2011, 08:04 AM
I want to go on record that I think Z-blow ;) will get punked tonight. I think he's due for a really bad game.

even if he does have an off game, it's probably a double-double. i'm taking about a series change because i see this going 7. btw, go bucs!

KDthunderup
05-03-2011, 08:16 AM
A bad game by Randolph would be like 20-25 points, but I would be happy if he got that.

alenleomessi
05-03-2011, 09:26 AM
4 games=boring series
wanna bet on that ?

meir21
05-06-2011, 03:49 AM
I think memphis will take game 3 :)

LilBTheBasedGod
05-07-2011, 08:35 PM
:party: