Pistons: Jordan Rules were "Fake"

[eliteballer]

The Jordan rules

Mahorn: "We were just throwing stuff out there for (the media). It was just a joke. Chuck (Daly, Pistons coach) throws it out there that we had some secret plan to stop Jordan, and everybody just jumped on it. Everybody was writing stories about this strategy. When we kept reading about it, Isiah told us that we had gotten in their heads, and that's how we had them beat."

Abdenour: "You talk about the prince of disinformation? Chuck Daly threw a whole lot of nonsense out there that didn't exist. That should have gone down as one of the greatest fakes of all time."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071225/SPORTS03/312250032/1051/SPORTS05

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Jordan Rules:oldlol:

I'd like to see Jordan play in todays era.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

10+ pages

[Da_Realist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8

[az00m]

Fake? They even wrote articles about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE

[MayCeltics]

Kobesexuals dug up an old article for some self-indulgence. Go back to jizzing on Kobe Posters.

[nightprowler10]

Fake? They even wrote articles about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE
Haha, I was about to post the same video. It's excellent at dissecting their D.

[bond10]

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu138/lolzinternet/seinfeld.gif

[Poochymama]

Fake? They even wrote articles about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE

Lol, well there goes that theory:roll:

Whether or not they had a special name for it is the issue at hand I think, not whether it happened. We have video proof that it happened. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen 1 player receive such consistent triple teams(not even prime Shaq), as Jordan did in that series.

[DuMa]

spoken like someone who never watched that series

[juju151111]

First let me start this by saying the obvious since ******gers don't get it. MJ>>Kobe.
Next let's take a quick look at wat type off defense MJ faces.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ pay attention to 2:35 They actually stopped MJ from going to the hoop for layups and funds, but MJ still finds a way to score. Must of the clips are from the 92 playoffs where knicks plan triple team if he even thinks about driving and foul the shit out of him if he gets close. The stat at 2: 37 in the video tells it all of those knicks defense. He was forced to take jumpers all gm. They forced the greatest driver to take jumpers. Know in todays gm. Most of those pushes would be fouls and thosefouls would get u tossed, but MJ didn't give a damn.

The Jordan rules how about we stop the BS:wtf: and watch how they actually defended him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE na don't make video evidence get in it way of your agenda.

What I don't understand about Kobe stan is this. How could someone who is obviously stronger then Kobe be afraid to play in this soft era. Phil Jackson noted that Michael Jordan was stronger, had better hands, faster, better driver, but yet he would fail in this era. Explain this to me. How is a 6'4 Dwayne Wade can dominate in this league back in 06 and 07 and 09 with no real superior jumpshot? Michael Jordan who is a better finisher and post player then Wade will suffer in todays game. I don't see the logic in this. Can a Kobe stan explain it to me?:facepalm

Beasley MJ did play in this era you dummy at 38-40 years old with bad knees and slow has a freaking turtle. He still shitted on people like Rick fox, ray Allen, KG, Ron artest(The same Ron artest that said 38 years old MJ was a tough cover) and Bruce bowen(yep the same Bruce bowen who says MJ was the hardest player he had to guard EVER) and they never faced a prime MJ. I find that funny. Bruce bowen one of this era most dominate defender couldn't guard a post baseball MJ.:facepalm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bruce+bowen+toughest+cover+jordan&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= lmfao so let me get this straight. Two of the so called better era can't guard a 33-40 year old man:lol H!aaaaaaaaaaaaa then you expect me to believe people like posey in his prime and shane battier can? Oh shit just found another video of 38 year old MJ playing against James posey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U 39 year old man with bad knees taking on these guys. I am surprise they didn't leave that weak era Jordan on 0 ppg

:facepalm

[juju151111]

Lol, well there goes that theory:roll:

Whether or not they had a special name for it is the issue at hand I think, not whether it happened. We have video proof that it happened. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen 1 player receive such consistent triple teams(not even prime Shaq), as Jordan did in that series.
The knicks did it too in 92 he barley even made layups and dunks. He had to turn to his jumper. Here watch at 2:33 he couldn't do shit in the lane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ lol at 11-21 on jumpers. Knicks were just tugging the shit out of him.

[10x91= 5 Rings]

First let me start this by saying the obvious since ******gers don't get it. MJ>>Kobe.
Next let's take a quick look at wat type off defense MJ faces.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ pay attention to 2:35 They actually stopped MJ from going to the hoop for layups and funds, but MJ still finds a way to score. Must of the clips are from the 92 playoffs where knicks plan triple team if he even thinks about driving and foul the shit out of him if he gets close. The stat at 2: 37 in the video tells it all of those knicks defense. He was forced to take jumpers all gm. They forced the greatest driver to take jumpers. Know in todays gm. Most of those pushes would be fouls and thosefouls would get u tossed, but MJ didn't give a damn.

The Jordan rules how about we stop the BS:wtf: and watch how they actually defended him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE na don't make video evidence get in it way of your agenda.

What I don't understand about Kobe stan is this. How could someone who is obviously stronger then Kobe be afraid to play in this soft era. Phil Jackson noted that Michael Jordan was stronger, had better hands, faster, better driver, but yet he would fail in this era. Explain this to me. How is a 6'4 Dwayne Wade can dominate in this league back in 06 and 07 and 09 with no real superior jumpshot? Michael Jordan who is a better fisher and post player then Wade will suffer in todays game. I don't see the logic in this. Can a Kobe stan explain it to me?:facepalm

Beasley MJ did play in this era you dummy at 38-40 years old with bad knees and slow has a freaking turtle. He still shitted on people like Rick fox, ray Allen, KG, Ron artest(The same Ron artest that said 38 years old MJ was a tough cover) and Bruce bowen(yep the same Bruce bowen who says MJ was the hardest player he had to guard EVER) and they never faced a prime MJ. I find that funny. Bruce bowen one of this era most dominate defender couldn't guard a post baseball MJ.:facepalm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bruce+bowen+toughest+cover+jordan&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= lmfao so let me get this straight. Two of the so called better era can't guard a 33-40 year old man:lol H!aaaaaaaaaaaaa then you expect me to believe people like pose in his prime and share battier. Oh shit just fouls another video of 38 year old MJ playing against James posey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U 39 year old man with bad knees taking on these guys. How am surprise they didn't leave that weak era Jordan on 0 ppg

:facepalm

AMEN.

[juju151111]

Lol, well there goes that theory:roll:

Whether or not they had a special name for it is the issue at hand I think, not whether it happened. We have video proof that it happened. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen 1 player receive such consistent triple teams(not even prime Shaq), as Jordan did in that series.
It's not like that was the first time MJ so those defense. It's that the piston use their doubles and hard fouls. The combination with good rotation when MJ passes is wat set them apart. Here is 80s MJ facing doubles and triples, but no hard fouls or defensivly great team. This is MJ when he was basically a freaking speed demon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS1qNTWb70
Here a great montage about some of the defense he faced http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2Wqt21_Yo The reason the guy keeps saying Kobe is because a Kobe stan made a video saying MJ never got doubled so they used his voice and just put MJ clips of doing exactly wat he said didn't happen in MJ era. Pretty funny.

[Calabis]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071225/SPORTS03/312250032/1051/SPORTS05

In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Daly described the Jordan Rules as:

“ If Michael was at the point, we forced him left and doubled him. If he was on the left wing, we went immediately to a double team from the top. If he was on the right wing, we went to a slow double team. He could hurt you equally from either wing—hell, he could hurt you from the hot-dog stand—but we just wanted to vary the look. And if he was on the box, we doubled with a big guy.

The other rule was, any time he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty—I know some people thought we were—but we had to make contact and be very physical.

From the Jordan Rules: The Bulls were so concerned about some of these tactics a few years ago, so they focused a camera on Bill Laimbeer throughout the playoffs to see what he was doing and found that he was grabbing at their pressure points to deaden their arms


Kobestans keep failing:roll:

[Calabis]

Jordan Rules:oldlol:

I'd like to see Jordan play in todays era.

Shit u should be hoping to see Beasley play in this era, not just take up space on a roster.

[juju151111]

[QUOTE=Calabis]In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Daly described the Jordan Rules as:

[Harion]

there's so much win in this thread :applause: oh, how i love it no kobe stans can break in and troll this thread

[Calabis]

vs Knicks

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/z%20Patrick%20Ewing/ewingrevenged.gif

[juju151111]

there's so much win in this thread :applause: oh, how i love it no kobe stans can break in and troll this thread
It's hard to troll facts and video evidence.

[juju151111]

vs Knicks

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/z%20Patrick%20Ewing/ewingrevenged.gif
You should go through my favorites list on YouTube. Name is juju100000. You will find some rare things. I use to check new MJ vids almost everyday back in 08/09 http://www.youtube.com/my_favorites?feature=mhum start from the bottom through.

[Calabis]

You should go through my favorites list on YouTube. Name is juju100000. You will find some rare things. I use to check new MJ vids almost everyday back in 08/09 http://www.youtube.com/my_favorites?feature=mhum start from the bottom through.

Will do thanks

[eliteballer]

LMAO @ these clowns thinking that clips of the Pistons playing any kind of defense on Jordan proves there were rules, when the Pistons themselves say otherwise.


As if its either there were Jordan rules or the Pistons wouldnt have played defense on Jordan:roll:

Mahorn says the idea was to get the media to write articles, then some clown says the fact they wrote articles proves it was real:roll:

This clown juju expecting anyone to take him seriously when he can't type or spell properly:oldlol:

[Calabis]

LMAO @ these clowns thinking that clips of the Pistons playing any kind of defense on Jordan proves there were rules, when the Pistons themselves say otherwise.


As if its either there were Jordan rules or the Pistons wouldnt have played defense on Jordan:roll:

Mahorn says the idea was to get the media to write articles, then some clown says the fact they wrote articles proves it was real:roll:

This clown juju expecting anyone to take him seriously when he can't type or spell properly:oldlol:

Reading 101:

In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Daly described the Jordan Rules as:

[nightprowler10]

You're wasting your time bro.

[az00m]

LMAO @ these clowns thinking that clips of the Pistons playing any kind of defense on Jordan proves there were rules, when the Pistons themselves say otherwise.


As if its either there were Jordan rules or the Pistons wouldnt have played defense on Jordan:roll:

Mahorn says the idea was to get the media to write articles, then some clown says the fact they wrote articles proves it was real:roll:

This clown juju expecting anyone to take him seriously when he can't type or spell properly:oldlol:

the coach said otherwise.

[catch24]

It's as if OP enjoys sticking his foot in his mouth. :oldlol:

[Calabis]

Freaking Kobestans are morons

But after the 59-point effort, Detroit coach Chuck Daly had seen enough. "We made up our minds right then and there that Michael Jordan was not going to beat us by himself again," says Daly. "We had to commit to a total team concept to get it done."

So Daly and his assistants at the time, Ron Rothstein and Dick Versace, created a defensive game plan just for Jordan. Each Piston had specific responsibilities: Jordan has the ball on the wing, you go there, you do this; Jordan is posted up on the right box, you check him there, you watch for this, and so on. Collectively these responsibilities became known as the Jordan Rules.

The guiding principle is that a defender is never left to guard Jordan unaided. Jordan's position on the floor dictates whether the Pistons trap him with a second defender or have the second defender play "help and recover" (that is, run at Jordan to stop his dribble, but then scramble back to his own man; Salley is a master at this ploy). The closer Jordan is to the basket, the more the Pistons go with the trap. When he is above the sideline hash mark (28 feet from the baseline), they usually play help and recover.

Even when Jordan is far from the basket, perhaps bringing up the ball as a point guard on a wide-open floor, Detroit runs a second player at him, someone like Salley or Rodman. This reduces the amount of open court that he has to work with and often forces him to give up the ball to a teammate. The Pistons always want someone else to handle the ball. Not sometimes. Always.

When Jordan has the ball on the wing, the Detroit player guarding him forces him toward defensive help. Most often that means turning Jordan to the right when he's on the left side of the floor and to the left when he's on the right side.

If Jordan happens to get isolated with one man and is in a potential scoring position, the Piston defender will try to force him to go left. They think he makes a stronger, more explosive move to his right. So does Jordan.

When Jordan tries to run a pick-and-roll, Detroit traps him. That means that two men, the one guarding Jordan and the one guarding the Bull setting the pick, run at him. The Pistons do this with remarkable efficiency, partly because that second defender is usually the 6 ft. 11 in. Salley or the 6 ft. 11 in. Laimbeer. The tall trappers make it almost impossible for Jordan to deliver the ball to a teammate rolling toward the basket, and their aggressive charge toward Jordan usually forces him to retreat.

When Jordan posts up near the basket, Detroit typically puts three men on him, with Dumars most often behind him, using his strong hips and legs to "body" Jordan away from the basket. When the entry pass comes in from the point guard, Thomas leaves that guard and double-teams Jordan. If that means the point guard is free, so be it. Meanwhile, another defender, perhaps Laimbeer or Salley, will have come over and planted himself in the lane, maybe on the baseline side, maybe toward the middle. Dumars will then turn Jordan toward that help. Jordan loves the baseline. "Even though there's less room down there, I can be more creative," he says. But by and large, the Pistons take it away from him.

When Jordan comes off a screen set near the baseline -- his most frequent maneuver when he's playing shooting guard -- a host of Jordan Rules come into play. Dumars must follow him around the screen -- no matter if he has to go into the bleachers -- to prevent Jordan from making a backdoor cut and receiving an alley-oop pass for an almost certain dunk. The Piston -- usually Laimbeer -- guarding the Bull setting the pick will step out to make Jordan receive the ball farther from the basket. In addition -- and this is important -- that man will guard against Jordan's making a "tight curl" off the top of the screen and suddenly looping back into the middle to take a short pass on the dead run, a circumstance that is almost always disastrous for the defense.

Here is a link morons (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/jordan/891106/)

Inventor(Jordan Rules) Rothstein on todays pathetic rules: Even Rothstein, now a Heat assistant coach, is conflicted. Like many who were on Chuck Daly's Pistons staffs in the late '80s, he is consumed with the science of NBA defense. He sees little reason for any player to shoot 20 or 25 free throws in a game. But he appreciates that offense sells and that it's what commissioner David Stern wants and what fans expect in this video-driven era of individual theatrics.

"I understand the nature of the business and who we are and what we are," Rothstein says. "Do I like it? No. But it doesn't matter if 1 like it. There are still very good defenders in this league who do a very good job, who have adjusted to the rules. It used to be you'd get a forearm on and it gave you certain leverage. So you've got to move your feet better. There's no way you can be as good under the current rules."

There were three tenets to the Detroit defense: Never give Jordan an easy shot; try to confuse him with varied defensive looks; and be very physical with him. The principles were perfect for the Pistons, who were smart and aggressive (some would say they crossed the line into "dirty") defenders.

"The so-called Jordan Rules might've been the only thing I contributed to basketball," Daly says with a smile. "Everything else I stole."

"It was a nice theory," Daly says of the Jordan Rules, "but eventually Scottie Pippen evolved into Scottie Pippen, one of the best players in the game. And once that happened, we couldn't beat them anymore. Michael simply found other guys when we ganged up on him."

"As Michael's supporting cast gets better, this defense is going to be tougher to play," says Dumars. "Jordan is the constant. We know what he can do. It's what everybody else does that matters." So far, that hasn't been enough.

[juju151111]

LMAO @ these clowns thinking that clips of the Pistons playing any kind of defense on Jordan proves there were rules, when the Pistons themselves say otherwise.


As if its either there were Jordan rules or the Pistons wouldnt have played defense on Jordan:roll:

Mahorn says the idea was to get the media to write articles, then some clown says the fact they wrote articles proves it was real:roll:

This clown juju expecting anyone to take him seriously when he can't type or spell properly:oldlol:
The coach said they were. You know the person who came up with the gameplan for them after MJ did this to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7S76yjxSWE and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdmKXTUF4wE (1987 1988)chuck daly vowed to never let it happen again you dumb****. How about u research your history of BB with a open mind and stop the BS. You clearly have no fuking idea wat it talking about http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/jordan/891106/ :facepalm plz don't think you know more Bb history then me especially MJ history u Kobe stan.:facepalm

[juju151111]

Freaking Kobestans are morons

But after the 59-point effort, Detroit coach Chuck Daly had seen enough. "We made up our minds right then and there that Michael Jordan was not going to beat us by himself again," says Daly. "We had to commit to a total team concept to get it done."

So Daly and his assistants at the time, Ron Rothstein and Dick Versace, created a defensive game plan just for Jordan. Each Piston had specific responsibilities: Jordan has the ball on the wing, you go there, you do this; Jordan is posted up on the right box, you check him there, you watch for this, and so on. Collectively these responsibilities became known as the Jordan Rules.

The guiding principle is that a defender is never left to guard Jordan unaided. Jordan's position on the floor dictates whether the Pistons trap him with a second defender or have the second defender play "help and recover" (that is, run at Jordan to stop his dribble, but then scramble back to his own man; Salley is a master at this ploy). The closer Jordan is to the basket, the more the Pistons go with the trap. When he is above the sideline hash mark (28 feet from the baseline), they usually play help and recover.

Even when Jordan is far from the basket, perhaps bringing up the ball as a point guard on a wide-open floor, Detroit runs a second player at him, someone like Salley or Rodman. This reduces the amount of open court that he has to work with and often forces him to give up the ball to a teammate. The Pistons always want someone else to handle the ball. Not sometimes. Always.

When Jordan has the ball on the wing, the Detroit player guarding him forces him toward defensive help. Most often that means turning Jordan to the right when he's on the left side of the floor and to the left when he's on the right side.

If Jordan happens to get isolated with one man and is in a potential scoring position, the Piston defender will try to force him to go left. They think he makes a stronger, more explosive move to his right. So does Jordan.

When Jordan tries to run a pick-and-roll, Detroit traps him. That means that two men, the one guarding Jordan and the one guarding the Bull setting the pick, run at him. The Pistons do this with remarkable efficiency, partly because that second defender is usually the 6 ft. 11 in. Salley or the 6 ft. 11 in. Laimbeer. The tall trappers make it almost impossible for Jordan to deliver the ball to a teammate rolling toward the basket, and their aggressive charge toward Jordan usually forces him to retreat.

When Jordan posts up near the basket, Detroit typically puts three men on him, with Dumars most often behind him, using his strong hips and legs to "body" Jordan away from the basket. When the entry pass comes in from the point guard, Thomas leaves that guard and double-teams Jordan. If that means the point guard is free, so be it. Meanwhile, another defender, perhaps Laimbeer or Salley, will have come over and planted himself in the lane, maybe on the baseline side, maybe toward the middle. Dumars will then turn Jordan toward that help. Jordan loves the baseline. "Even though there's less room down there, I can be more creative," he says. But by and large, the Pistons take it away from him.

When Jordan comes off a screen set near the baseline -- his most frequent maneuver when he's playing shooting guard -- a host of Jordan Rules come into play. Dumars must follow him around the screen -- no matter if he has to go into the bleachers -- to prevent Jordan from making a backdoor cut and receiving an alley-oop pass for an almost certain dunk. The Piston -- usually Laimbeer -- guarding the Bull setting the pick will step out to make Jordan receive the ball farther from the basket. In addition -- and this is important -- that man will guard against Jordan's making a "tight curl" off the top of the screen and suddenly looping back into the middle to take a short pass on the dead run, a circumstance that is almost always disastrous for the defense.

Here is a link morons (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/jordan/891106/)

Inventor(Jordan Rules) Rothstein on todays pathetic rules: Even Rothstein, now a Heat assistant coach, is conflicted. Like many who were on Chuck Daly's Pistons staffs in the late '80s, he is consumed with the science of NBA defense. He sees little reason for any player to shoot 20 or 25 free throws in a game. But he appreciates that offense sells and that it's what commissioner David Stern wants and what fans expect in this video-driven era of individual theatrics.

There were three tenets to the Detroit defense: Never give Jordan an easy shot; try to confuse him with varied defensive looks; and be very physical with him. The principles were perfect for the Pistons, who were smart and aggressive (some would say they crossed the line into "dirty") defenders.

"The so-called Jordan Rules might've been the only thing I contributed to basketball," Daly says with a smile. "Everything else I stole."

"It was a nice theory," Daly says of the Jordan Rules, "but eventually Scottie Pippen evolved into Scottie Pippen, one of the best players in the game. And once that happened, we couldn't beat them anymore. Michael simply found other guys when we ganged up on him."

"As Michael's supporting cast gets better, this defense is going to be tougher to play," says Dumars. "Jordan is the constant. We know what he can do. It's what everybody else does that matters." So far, that hasn't been enough.

"I understand the nature of the business and who we are and what we are," Rothstein says. "Do I like it? No. But it doesn't matter if 1 like it. There are still very good defenders in this league who do a very good job, who have adjusted to the rules. It used to be you'd get a forearm on and it gave you certain leverage. So you've got to move your feet better. There's no way you can be as good under the current rules."
MJ was averging damn near 40 against them until they starred fouling the shit out of him and making him pass to his young and inexperience/young team. Elite gets owned within two pages of his own thread. When u try to hype up Kobe, try harder you ******ger.:facepalm

[boozehound]

From the Jordan Rules: The Bulls were so concerned about some of these tactics a few years ago, so they focused a camera on Bill Laimbeer throughout the playoffs to see what he was doing and found that he was grabbing at their pressure points to deaden their arms



that, in a nutshell, is the why hes my favorite player

[andgar923]

Meh..... Jordan Schordan Rules.... pfft.

They got nothing on the Knicks of the early and mid 90s.

The Jordan Rules 2.0.

A more advanced version of the Bad Boys. If the Pistons were the Bad Boys, the Knicks were Evil Men.

[juju151111]

Meh..... Jordan Schordan Rules.... pfft.

They got nothing on the Knicks of the early and mid 90s.

The Jordan Rules 2.0.

A more advanced version of the Bad Boys. If the Pistons were the Bad Boys, the Knicks were Evil Men.
The 92 knicks had that swag of stingy has hell defense.

[23forever]

First let me start this by saying the obvious since ******gers don't get it. MJ>>Kobe.
Next let's take a quick look at wat type off defense MJ faces.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ pay attention to 2:35 They actually stopped MJ from going to the hoop for layups and funds, but MJ still finds a way to score. Must of the clips are from the 92 playoffs where knicks plan triple team if he even thinks about driving and foul the shit out of him if he gets close. The stat at 2: 37 in the video tells it all of those knicks defense. He was forced to take jumpers all gm. They forced the greatest driver to take jumpers. Know in todays gm. Most of those pushes would be fouls and thosefouls would get u tossed, but MJ didn't give a damn.

The Jordan rules how about we stop the BS:wtf: and watch how they actually defended him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE na don't make video evidence get in it way of your agenda.

What I don't understand about Kobe stan is this. How could someone who is obviously stronger then Kobe be afraid to play in this soft era. Phil Jackson noted that Michael Jordan was stronger, had better hands, faster, better driver, but yet he would fail in this era. Explain this to me. How is a 6'4 Dwayne Wade can dominate in this league back in 06 and 07 and 09 with no real superior jumpshot? Michael Jordan who is a better finisher and post player then Wade will suffer in todays game. I don't see the logic in this. Can a Kobe stan explain it to me?:facepalm

Beasley MJ did play in this era you dummy at 38-40 years old with bad knees and slow has a freaking turtle. He still shitted on people like Rick fox, ray Allen, KG, Ron artest(The same Ron artest that said 38 years old MJ was a tough cover) and Bruce bowen(yep the same Bruce bowen who says MJ was the hardest player he had to guard EVER) and they never faced a prime MJ. I find that funny. Bruce bowen one of this era most dominate defender couldn't guard a post baseball MJ.:facepalm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bruce+bowen+toughest+cover+jordan&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= lmfao so let me get this straight. Two of the so called better era can't guard a 33-40 year old man:lol H!aaaaaaaaaaaaa then you expect me to believe people like posey in his prime and shane battier can? Oh shit just found another video of 38 year old MJ playing against James posey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U 39 year old man with bad knees taking on these guys. I am surprise they didn't leave that weak era Jordan on 0 ppg

:facepalm


:applause:

[Colby Brian]

lol jordanstans, so insecure about kobe

[nightprowler10]

lol jordanstans, so insecure about kobe
Looking at this thread it would seem it's the other way around.

[juju151111]

lol jordanstans, so insecure about kobe
The OP made a statement and got owned within 2 pages. The Op is a known Kobe stan and got handled.

[Harion]

lol jordanstans, so insecure about kobe
who started the damn thread you idiot?

[jlip]

It's obvious that Elite Baller didn't make up the quotes. The bigger question is what did Mahorn and Abdenour mean when they said that the Jordan Rules were fake.

[Colby Brian]

First let me start this by saying the obvious since ******gers don't get it. MJ>>Kobe.
Next let's take a quick look at wat type off defense MJ faces.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ pay attention to 2:35 They actually stopped MJ from going to the hoop for layups and funds, but MJ still finds a way to score. Must of the clips are from the 92 playoffs where knicks plan triple team if he even thinks about driving and foul the shit out of him if he gets close. The stat at 2: 37 in the video tells it all of those knicks defense. He was forced to take jumpers all gm. They forced the greatest driver to take jumpers. Know in todays gm. Most of those pushes would be fouls and thosefouls would get u tossed, but MJ didn't give a damn.

The Jordan rules how about we stop the BS:wtf: and watch how they actually defended him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE na don't make video evidence get in it way of your agenda.

What I don't understand about Kobe stan is this. How could someone who is obviously stronger then Kobe be afraid to play in this soft era. Phil Jackson noted that Michael Jordan was stronger, had better hands, faster, better driver, but yet he would fail in this era. Explain this to me. How is a 6'4 Dwayne Wade can dominate in this league back in 06 and 07 and 09 with no real superior jumpshot? Michael Jordan who is a better finisher and post player then Wade will suffer in todays game. I don't see the logic in this. Can a Kobe stan explain it to me?:facepalm

Beasley MJ did play in this era you dummy at 38-40 years old with bad knees and slow has a freaking turtle. He still shitted on people like Rick fox, ray Allen, KG, Ron artest(The same Ron artest that said 38 years old MJ was a tough cover) and Bruce bowen(yep the same Bruce bowen who says MJ was the hardest player he had to guard EVER) and they never faced a prime MJ. I find that funny. Bruce bowen one of this era most dominate defender couldn't guard a post baseball MJ.:facepalm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bruce+bowen+toughest+cover+jordan&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= lmfao so let me get this straight. Two of the so called better era can't guard a 33-40 year old man:lol H!aaaaaaaaaaaaa then you expect me to believe people like posey in his prime and shane battier can? Oh shit just found another video of 38 year old MJ playing against James posey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U 39 year old man with bad knees taking on these guys. I am surprise they didn't leave that weak era Jordan on 0 ppg

:facepalm

LOL this post is so insecure, just reading it made me :roll:

[Colby Brian]

who started the damn thread you idiot?

idc who started it, what does this have to do with kobe?

[juju151111]

LOL this post is so insecure, just reading it made me :roll:
Who made the thread?

[Colby Brian]

Who made the thread?

lol read the posts :lol

[juju151111]

lol read the posts :lol
I wrote the post, but answer my question. Who started the thread.

[Colby Brian]

I wrote the post, but answer my question. Who started the thread.

:lol

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I just finished watching footage of this so called "Jordan Rules" on YouTube and all I have to say is, what makes this so different from today great defensive teams?

I think people are overreacting over this.

[andgar923]

I just finished watching footage of this so called "Jordan Rules" on YouTube and all I have to say is, what makes this so different from today great defensive teams?

I think people are overreacting over this.

A. Clogged lanes


This alone is a huge difference and the discussion should end right there.

B. It was far more physical.... it aint close.
C. No touch fouls called like today.

FACT is, players, coaches, officials, experts, etc.etc. have stated over and over and over that today's era isn't as great defensively. This coming from those that have participated in both eras. It's basically a general consensus that this is the case, just how it's basically a general consensus that MJ would absolutely destroy today's era with today's rules.

[Harion]

I just finished watching footage of this so called "Jordan Rules" on YouTube and all I have to say is, what makes this so different from today great defensive teams?

I think people are overreacting over this.
you're an idiot, you're blind, or you didn't watch the vids. find me fouls as hard as the ones they give out in MJ's era in today's era. then tell me those were just regular fouls and not flagrants. today's flagrants were yesterdays ticky tac fouls. today's great defensive teams are built on the foundation of "not fouling."

[ReturnofJPR]

Fake? They even wrote articles about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE

"Do anything you can to prevent him from scoring in the paint" It sounds like Derrick Rose of today and what defenses try to do to him.

[nightprowler10]

"Do anything you can to prevent him from scoring in the paint" It sounds like Derrick Rose of today and what defenses try to do to him.
Well Indy definitely tried to use that tactic on Rose but they weren't as good at it, plus the rules are much different now.

[HighFlyer23]

Jordan rules were just about hitting Jordo as hard as you could and being as physical as possible

[lilgodfather1]

Who cares? Jordan's career is dead let's get over it. He hasn't played in almost ten years people.

[Miserio]

I just finished watching footage of this so called "Jordan Rules" on YouTube and all I have to say is, what makes this so different from today great defensive teams?

I think people are overreacting over this.
I'm sick of you kid, you have 17 ****ing years old and you post like if you've seen both eras. Nobody who watched MJ in his prime would say anything diferent than this:

MJ would D-E-S-T-R-O-Y this era, it wouldn't be interesting because no one would be able to guard him.

[madmax]

These nostalgia tools are corny bunch:lol
Hacking an offensive player hard and being physical with him doesn't constitute "great defense" in my book, otherwise Utah Jazz, a notorious team of slappers and hackers, would be known as the greatest defensive team of all time. Stop spreading this propaganda that 80's and early 90's defense was somehow superior to today's - it really wasn't.

[Colby Brian]

These nostalgia tools are corny bunch:lol
Hacking an offensive player hard and being physical with him doesn't constitute "great defense" in my book, otherwise Utah Jazz, a notorious team of slappers and hackers, would be known as the greatest defensive team of all time. Stop spreading this propaganda that 80's and early 90's defense was somehow superior to today's - it really wasn't.

i agree, so fouling someone harder is better defense :lol

[Da_Realist]

These nostalgia tools are corny bunch:lol
Hacking an offensive player hard and being physical with him doesn't constitute "great defense" in my book, otherwise Utah Jazz, a notorious team of slappers and hackers, would be known as the greatest defensive team of all time. Stop spreading this propaganda that 80's and early 90's defense was somehow superior to today's - it really wasn't.

Surely there are some basketball people that can attest to this. Any NBA ex players, coaches, gm's, or other basketball related people offer anything close to the opinion that today's defense is better than the 90's? If so, don't keep us in suspense -- post the quotes!

[Colby Brian]

Surely there are some basketball people that can attest to this. Any NBA ex players, coaches, gm's, or other basketball related people offer anything close to the opinion that today's defense is better than the 90's? If so, don't keep us in suspense -- post the quotes!

how about you post FG% and points a game in the 80s/90s to now

[DetroitPiston]

Good old Rick Mahorn, I've had the pleasure of meeting him. He's a class act and one of the most hilarious people I've ever met.

[DetroitPiston]

how about you post FG% and points a game in the 80s/90s to now

Stats are like mini skirts, they tease but hide the crucial part.:D

[madmax]

Surely there are some basketball people that can attest to this. Any NBA ex players, coaches, gm's, or other basketball related people offer anything close to the opinion that today's defense is better than the 90's? If so, don't keep us in suspense -- post the quotes!

I could care less about basketball people and their romanticizing tales of the past. I've had a pleasure to watch the whole 90's era of basketball and I remember tons of iso's and occasional double teams on superstar players. The "clogged lanes" you keep bringing up were usually just one big center in the middle of the paint for Jordan to dunk on after beating his defender one on one. That was because zones were not allowed and defenders could not leave their main defensive assignment to help protect the paint. Hacks and hard fouls are not a good defense by any measure, sorry to burst your bubble

[DetroitPiston]

I just finished watching footage of this so called "Jordan Rules" on YouTube and all I have to say is, what makes this so different from today great defensive teams?

I think people are overreacting over this.

Pistons are the only team to beat the Jordan era Bulls three times. The Knicks tried their hardest to replicate that but couldn't. Imitation being a form of flattery and all that.

Also, difference is that you could be physical in that era. Today, this would be considered a flagrant. You can't even breathe on someone without having a foul called on you.

Brad Daugherty once said that in today's league, some players would put up 100, he even added that he could put up 50 once in a while with the current NBA. When I was taught defense, we were taught how to put an arm on a guy in order to slow them down. Now, we can't even do that.

[Da_Realist]

I could care less about basketball people and their romanticizing tales of the past. I've had a pleasure to watch the whole 90's era of basketball and I remember tons of iso's and occasional double teams on superstar players. The "clogged lanes" you keep bringing up were usually just one big center in the middle of the paint for Jordan to dunk on after beating his defender one on one. That was because zones were not allowed and defenders could not leave their main defensive assignment to help protect the paint. Hacks and hard fouls are not a good defense by any measure, sorry to burst your bubble

Suuuuuuuure. I get it. :rolleyes: No quotes

[Hittin_Shots]

how about you post FG% and points a game in the 80s/90s to now

Show us a post you have made that is remotely intellectual.

[eliteballer]

LMAO @ people trying to act like on every play, everytime down people were gettng slammed to the floor. You can really tell who actually watched back in the day and who didnt or has an agenda. Players carry more muscle now. An average hit now is more than an average hit was then.

[Colby Brian]

Show us a post you have made that is remotely intellectual.

you show us a post you have made thats intellectual

[Hittin_Shots]

you show us a post you have made thats intellectual

Nice rebuttal.

[Christofire]

I could care less about basketball people and their romanticizing tales of the past. I've had a pleasure to watch the whole 90's era of basketball and I remember tons of iso's and occasional double teams on superstar players. The "clogged lanes" you keep bringing up were usually just one big center in the middle of the paint for Jordan to dunk on after beating his defender one on one. That was because zones were not allowed and defenders could not leave their main defensive assignment to help protect the paint. Hacks and hard fouls are not a good defense by any measure, sorry to burst your bubble

we actually agree on something mad max. Infact the whole reason Zone defense was legalized was that their would be less isolating to force more ball movement and team play. Increasing offensive flow. Clobbering a guy doesn't constitute better defense, you're hacking the sh*t out of a player that the defense couldnt stop from getting into the paint.

[Christofire]

LMAO @ people trying to act like on every play, everytime down people were gettng slammed to the floor. You can really tell who actually watched back in the day and who didnt or has an agenda. Players carry more muscle now. An average hit now is more than an average hit was then.

265 pound lebron James would be injured had he played in the 90s becuase those were the strongest 6'3 180 pound shooting guards ever. they possessed freakish strength and the dreaded "Hand-check" that would render LeBron James ineffective!!.

[nightprowler10]

Nice rebuttal.
I know you are, but what am I?!

[Hittin_Shots]

I know you are, but what am I?!

A trash can.

[nightprowler10]

A trash can.
I know you are, but what am I?!

[Poochymama]

LMAO @ people trying to act like on every play, everytime down people were gettng slammed to the floor. You can really tell who actually watched back in the day and who didnt or has an agenda. Players carry more muscle now. An average hit now is more than an average hit was then.

It's pretty easy to see who has an agenda:rolleyes:

[Hittin_Shots]

I know you are, but what am I?!

A trash can.

[nightprowler10]

A trash can.
I know you are, but what am I?!

[Hittin_Shots]

I know you are, but what am I?!

A trash can.

[knightfall88]

I know all about jordan rules, its just basic generic steps that all NBA teams today use to guard the other teams best superstar.

[MAC system]

idc who started it, what does this have to do with kobe?
You can't honestly say that the OP has no hidden agenda, you can not be that dumb? Can you?

[UwishUhadWall]

Completely neutral--outside of Lebron being a *****--observer here. Kobe fans really do their guy a disservice with the MJ comparison/hate. Nobody is buying it. Nobody will ever buy it. It's annoying.

Seriously, just drop it and celebrate your dudes accomplishments in their own way. Kobe is a great player. Certainly one of the greatest of all time. Be proud of that shit. He's the best of his era. But stop trying to out him up on MJ's level. Nobody is on that level. It makes you look like children and it makes you look desperate and it makes you look ignorant. Like you're too young to remember Jordan and you're just jealous that you're favorite player isn't getting the same type of hype.

[juju151111]

I could care less about basketball people and their romanticizing tales of the past. I've had a pleasure to watch the whole 90's era of basketball and I remember tons of iso's and occasional double teams on superstar players. The "clogged lanes" you keep bringing up were usually just one big center in the middle of the paint for Jordan to dunk on after beating his defender one on one. That was because zones were not allowed and defenders could not leave their main defensive assignment to help protect the paint. Hacks and hard fouls are not a good defense by any measure, sorry to burst your bubble
Interesting one on one huh?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ

[juju151111]

LMAO @ people trying to act like on every play, everytime down people were gettng slammed to the floor. You can really tell who actually watched back in the day and who didnt or has an agenda. Players carry more muscle now. An average hit now is more than an average hit was then.
MJ faced Shaq, Alanzo, motombo, Parish etc.... Met then at the ring and didn't give a flying ****. While Shaq was tearing down rims and shit he did this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjwyLp6OiM yes Shaq foul the loving shit out of him, but he was still driving. Lmaoat stronger. David Robinson was ripped and so was Alanzo.
Hey lets take a look at these skinny guys with no effects. David Robinson for example, look at his muscles he so skinny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36g_AZX84M lol at his biceps

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

So harder fouls = Better Defense huh?
:rolleyes:

[juju151111]

So harder fouls = Better Defense huh?
:rolleyes:
No team defense+Handchecking+physical defense=better defense.

[Ne 1]

Anyways...what's the big deal about trying to contain the other teams star?...all teams do it!....only ESPN hyped it up so they/Nike could make money for corporate America.....

idiot Jordan Jockers!

[Harion]

LMAO @ people trying to act like on every play, everytime down people were gettng slammed to the floor. You can really tell who actually watched back in the day and who didnt or has an agenda. Players carry more muscle now. An average hit now is more than an average hit was then.
an average hit? like what are we talking about now? boxing? :wtf: when you're up in the air and then get clotheslined, it doesn't matter if the guy hitting you is skinny or buffed as hell, you're still going down hard courtesy of this thing we call gravity. and fk that more muscle mass now myth. what was Malone? marshmallow?

So harder fouls = Better Defense huh?
:rolleyes:
so ticky tac fouls = stronger era huh? kobe stans says MJ era was weak. how can that be weak when today's Kobe would be crippled by those fouls. no, let me correct that. today's Kobe wouldn't be today's Kobe in that era. he'd be a ****ing nobody.

[Calabis]

I could care less about basketball people and their romanticizing tales of the past. I've had a pleasure to watch the whole 90's era of basketball and I remember tons of iso's and occasional double teams on superstar players. The "clogged lanes" you keep bringing up were usually just one big center in the middle of the paint for Jordan to dunk on after beating his defender one on one. That was because zones were not allowed and defenders could not leave their main defensive assignment to help protect the paint. Hacks and hard fouls are not a good defense by any measure, sorry to burst your bubble

:facepalm

u may be the dumbest poster yet

its like these snot nosed kids need to see the same vids over and over disproving their bogus claims (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ9dBEcI_hE)

Oh look at that zone left and right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ

Yet these same morons called last years finals physical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgi8Oc_WzVM) :roll:

wow those refs are letting them get physical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01Qa6CIT6o&feature=related)

[I]In Game 1, there was a total of 67 personal fouls called. In Game 2 it was 58. Fouls will always be a part of the game, but a grand total of 125 combined in just two games is way too many. (The refs called 47 fouls in Game 3, so maybe they got the message and have eased back.) The problems with constant fouling is constant stoppages in the game, the rhythm of the game is thrown off, and as fans we all would like to see the best players on the biggest stage actually play the game. Unfortunately, in these NBA Finals we have been subjected to watching top players sit on the bench too often. As a result, after every game the losing team

[az00m]

Who said jordan didnt play against the zone?

Just because it was illegal doesnt mean people didnt do it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA&feature=related

[KevinNYC]

No team defense+Handchecking+physical defense=better defense.


Then you add the hard fouls on top of that and it's much harder for the offense to score.


People aren't saying that being able to play straight up defense without fouling isn't good defense. It's if you add hard fouls on top of that, the defense is so much more effective. It's a style of play, you simply can't do in today's league. It's a style the Pistons had to develop because if they wanted to win a title, they had to beat Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers back to back. They did this by amping up the defense. The league evolves and the Pistons of the 80's were one of the team's that caused this evolution.

[EricForman]

ISH has undergone so many eras, so many things have done changed since i first joined as theMelo some 7, 8 years ago.

So many good posters (and clowns) have come and gone. So many epic memories (P Hat guy, quad season, Pleezebelieve, etc)

It's good to see Eliteballer, SIX YEARS IN, still starting agenda-driven threads.

:applause:

[Alhazred]

:lol at the ownage in this thread.

[juju151111]

:lol at the ownage in this thread.
It's funny how eliteballer bailed on his own thread. I don't think he predicted people would have the coaches interview various quotes, and even rulebook changes. I would of bailed too if I got owned this bad.

[eliteballer]

MJ faced Shaq, Alanzo, motombo, Parish etc.... Met then at the ring and didn't give a flying ****. While Shaq was tearing down rims and shit he did this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjwyLp6OiM yes Shaq foul the loving shit out of him, but he was still driving. Lmaoat stronger. David Robinson was ripped and so was Alanzo.
Hey lets take a look at these skinny guys with no effects. David Robinson for example, look at his muscles he so skinny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36g_AZX84M lol at his biceps

How could I possibly get owned by someone who can't even spell Alonzo correctly?:roll:

When coaches and modern players talk about changes in defense, they compare it to the IMMEDIATELY preceding late 90's-00's defense.

No one thinks a run and gun era where the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than the Nash/Dirk Mavs is better defensively. No one ever did until Jordan Jockers started perpetuating myths to prop up their diety

[juju151111]

How could I possibly get owned by someone who can't even spell Alonzo correctly?:roll:

When coaches and modern players talk about changes in defense, they compare it to the IMMEDIATELY preceding late 90's-00's defense.

No one thinks a run and gun era where the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than the Nash/Dirk Mavs is better defensively. No one ever did until Jordan Jockers started perpetuating myths to prop up their diety
Hey I don't want to hear BS talking go to the previous pages and start responding to the posts. It's pretty easy to respond to noting on a spelling error. I am superior because I can spot a spelling error, but can't argue my point for shit. Stop ignoring everyone post and respond. You got raped in your own thread. Embarrassing.:facepalm