Year By Year Stats of NBAs Average Points and FG%

[Colby Brian]

Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
2006-07 NBA 1230 36.5 79.7 .458 6.1 16.9 .358 19.6 26.1 .752 11.1 41.1 21.3 7.2 4.6 15.1 22.2 98.7
2005-06 NBA 1230 35.8 79.0 .454 5.7 16.0 .358 19.6 26.3 .745 11.2 41.0 20.6 7.2 4.7 14.4 22.8 97.0
2004-05 NBA 1230 35.9 80.3 .447 5.6 15.8 .356 19.7 26.1 .756 12.0 41.9 21.3 7.5 4.9 14.5 22.6 97.2
2003-04 NBA 1189 35.0 79.8 .439 5.2 14.9 .347 18.2 24.2 .752 12.1 42.2 21.3 7.9 5.1 15.0 21.4 93.4
2002-03 NBA 1189 35.7 80.8 .442 5.1 14.7 .349 18.5 24.4 .758 12.0 42.3 21.5 7.9 5.0 14.9 21.8 95.1
2001-02 NBA 1189 36.2 81.3 .445 5.2 14.7 .354 17.9 23.8 .752 12.2 42.4 21.9 7.8 5.2 14.5 21.2 95.5
2000-01 NBA 1189 35.7 80.6 .443 4.8 13.7 .354 18.6 24.9 .748 12.0 42.5 21.8 7.8 5.3 15.0 22.3 94.8
1999-00 NBA 1189 36.8 82.1 .449 4.8 13.7 .353 19.0 25.3 .750 12.4 42.9 22.3 7.9 5.2 15.5 23.3 97.5
1998-99 NBA 725 34.2 78.2 .437 4.5 13.2 .339 18.8 25.8 .728 12.6 41.7 20.7 8.4 5.0 15.3 22.2 91.6
1997-98 NBA 1189 35.9 79.7 .450 4.4 12.7 .346 19.4 26.3 .737 13.0 41.5 22.0 8.4 5.1 15.5 22.4 95.6
1996-97 NBA 1189 36.1 79.3 .455 6.0 16.8 .360 18.7 25.3 .738 12.7 41.1 22.0 8.2 4.9 15.7 22.1 96.9
1995-96 NBA 1189 37.0 80.2 .462 5.9 16.0 .367 19.5 26.4 .740 12.6 41.3 22.7 8.0 5.1 15.8 23.0 99.5
1994-95 NBA 1107 38.0 81.5 .466 5.5 15.3 .359 19.9 27.1 .737 13.0 41.6 23.4 8.3 5.2 15.9 23.5 101.4
1993-94 NBA 1107 39.3 84.4 .466 3.3 9.9 .333 19.6 26.6 .734 13.9 43.0 24.4 8.9 5.2 16.0 22.2 101.5
1992-93 NBA 1107 40.7 86.0 .473 3.0 9.0 .336 20.9 27.7 .754 13.8 43.1 24.7 8.6 5.2 15.9 23.2 105.3
1991-92 NBA 1107 41.3 87.3 .472 2.5 7.6 .331 20.2 26.7 .759 14.4 43.7 24.5 8.6 5.5 15.6 22.2 105.3
1990-91 NBA 1107 41.4 87.2 .474 2.3 7.1 .320 21.3 27.9 .765 14.0 43.3 24.7 8.6 5.3 16.0 23.2 106.3
1989-90 NBA 1107 41.5 87.2 .476 2.2 6.6 .331 21.8 28.5 .764 13.8 43.1 24.9 8.5 5.1 16.1 23.3 107.0
1988-89 NBA 1025 42.5 89.0 .477 2.1 6.6 .323 22.1 28.8 .768 14.5 43.9 25.6 9.1 5.3 17.2 23.7 109.2
1987-88 NBA 943 42.1 87.7 .480 1.6 5.0 .316 22.3 29.1 .766 14.2 43.4 25.8 8.5 5.4 16.7 24.1 108.2
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1986-87 NBA 943 42.6 88.8 .480 1.4 4.7 .301 23.2 30.5 .763 14.7 44.0 26.0 8.6 5.5 17.0 24.5 109.9
1985-86 NBA 943 43.2 88.6 .487 0.9 3.3 .282 22.9 30.3 .756 14.1 43.6 26.0 8.8 5.3 17.8 25.2 110.2
1984-85 NBA 943 43.8 89.1 .491 0.9 3.1 .282 22.4 29.4 .764 14.3 43.5 26.3 8.5 5.3 17.9 24.9 110.8
1983-84 NBA 943 43.5 88.4 .492 0.6 2.4 .250 22.6 29.7 .760 14.2 43.0 26.2 8.5 5.3 17.9 25.8 110.1
1982-83 NBA 943 43.5 89.7 .485 0.5 2.3 .238 20.9 28.3 .740 14.8 44.5 25.9 8.9 5.6 19.1 25.6 108.5
1981-82 NBA 943 43.3 88.2 .491 0.6 2.3 .262 21.3 28.6 .746 14.3 43.5 25.2 8.5 5.4 17.7 26.2 108.6
1980-81 NBA 943 43.0 88.4 .486 0.5 2.0 .245 21.7 28.9 .751 14.5 43.5 25.5 9.0 5.3 18.7 25.1 108.1
1979-80 NBA 902 43.6 90.6 .481 0.8 2.8 .280 21.3 27.8 .764 15.1 44.9 25.8 9.4 5.3 18.9 24.4 109.3
1978-79 NBA 902 44.5 91.7 .485 21.3 28.3 .752 14.8 45.2 25.8 9.1 5.4 19.8 25.3 110.3
1977-78 NBA 902 43.6 92.9 .469 21.4 28.4 .752 15.0 47.1 25.0 9.6 5.1 20.1 25.2 108.5
1976-77 NBA 902 42.8 92.0 .465 20.8 27.7 .751 15.0 47.1 23.9 9.4 5.1 20.6 25.2 106.5
1975-76 NBA 738 42.1 91.7 .458 20.2 26.9 .751 14.4 47.4 23.0 8.9 4.4 19.8 24.8 104.3
ABA 307 44.9 96.4 .466 1.1 3.9 .295 21.6 28.0 .771 17.3 50.2 24.2 9.9 5.9 19.4 25.2 112.5
1974-75 NBA 738 41.7 91.1 .457 19.3 25.2 .765 14.2 47.1 23.8 8.8 4.3 19.8 24.3 102.6
ABA 420 44.2 93.5 .473 1.1 3.7 .293 19.3 25.1 .767 16.3 47.9 24.0 9.1 4.9 18.4 23.4 108.8
1973-74 NBA 697 43.1 93.9 .459 19.6 25.4 .771 14.7 48.2 24.6 8.7 4.7 20.8 23.8 105.7
ABA 420 42.9 93.3 .460 1.2 4.2 .283 19.3 25.4 .760 16.3 48.5 22.9 8.5 4.8 17.9 23.9 106.4
1972-73 NBA 697 44.2 96.9 .456 19.2 25.3 .758 50.6 25.2 22.8 107.6
ABA 420 43.0 91.4 .470 1.1 3.8 .289 24.6 32.9 .746 16.7 48.9 23.6 19.1 26.1 111.6
1971-72 NBA 697 43.4 95.5 .455 23.3 31.2 .748 51.1 24.1 23.6 110.2
ABA 462 43.9 95.3 .461 1.6 5.3 .297 24.1 31.8 .759 18.0 52.4 21.5 18.2 25.5 113.5
1970-71 NBA 697 44.0 98.0 .449 24.3 32.7 .745 53.1 24.3 24.4 112.4
ABA 462 45.5 100.1 .455 1.8 6.1 .299 24.6 32.7 .751 54.4 22.3 19.0 25.6 117.5
1969-70 NBA 574 45.7 99.4 .460 25.3 33.7 .751 52.9 24.7 25.1 116.7
ABA 462 43.1 96.8 .445 1.8 6.3 .291 25.1 33.7 .744 54.1 20.2 19.5 26.5 113.0
1968-69 NBA 574 43.7 99.0 .441 25.0 35.0 .714 56.9 23.1 25.5 112.3
ABA 429 42.6 97.6 .436 1.8 5.9 .299 27.9 38.2 .730 54.4 18.3 19.0 27.1 114.8
1967-68 NBA 492 45.0 100.8 .446 26.7 37.1 .720 66.2 22.8 26.3 116.6
ABA 429 40.7 96.9 .420 1.4 5.0 .285 26.1 36.3 .717 54.7 15.3 17.2 24.9 109.0
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1966-67 NBA 405 45.5 103.1 .441 26.5 36.2 .732 67.3 22.4 26.2 117.4
1965-66 NBA 360 44.3 102.4 .433 26.9 37.0 .727 68.2 22.9 26.2 115.5
1964-65 NBA 360 42.5 99.8 .426 25.6 35.6 .721 67.3 21.0 25.9 110.6
1963-64 NBA 360 42.9 99.1 .433 25.3 35.0 .722 65.9 21.4 26.8 111.0
1962-63 NBA 360 44.6 101.2 .441 26.1 35.9 .727 66.7 22.7 26.0 115.3
1961-62 NBA 360 45.9 107.7 .426 27.0 37.1 .727 71.4 23.9 25.9 118.8
1960-61 NBA 316 45.4 109.4 .415 27.4 37.4 .733 73.3 24.2 26.8 118.1
1959-60 NBA 300 44.5 108.7 .410 26.3 35.8 .735 73.5 22.6 25.6 115.3
1958-59 NBA 288 40.4 102.3 .395 27.4 36.3 .756 70.0 19.6 26.0 108.2
1957-58 NBA 288 39.0 101.9 .383 28.6 38.3 .746 71.7 19.6 25.5 106.6
1956-57 NBA 288 35.9 94.6 .380 27.7 36.9 .751 62.4 18.9 25.1 99.6
1955-56 NBA 288 35.3 91.4 .387 28.4 38.0 .745 60.1 24.3 26.4 99.0
1954-55 NBA 288 33.3 86.4 .385 26.5 35.9 .738 56.1 23.6 24.8 93.1
1953-54 NBA 324 28.1 75.4 .372 23.4 33.0 .709 50.9 20.3 25.4 79.5
1952-53 NBA 351 28.5 77.1 .370 25.7 35.9 .716 51.5 21.0 28.8 82.7
1951-52 NBA 330 29.6 80.8 .367 24.4 33.2 .735 54.5 21.9 26.9 83.7
1950-51 NBA 354 29.8 83.6 .357 24.5 33.4 .732 49.0 21.0 27.0 84.1
1949-50 NBA 561 28.2 83.1 .340 23.6 33.0 .714 19.6 27.0 80.0
1948-49 BAA 360 29.0 88.7 .327 22.0 31.3 .703 18.6 25.6 80.0
1947-48 BAA 192 27.2 96.0 .284 18.2 27.0 .675 7.0 22.2 72.7
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1946-47 BAA 331 25.9 92.9 .279 15.9 24.8 .641 6.9 20.8 67.8
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+







1979-80-1988-89 (80s) - 88.9 FGA, 109.3 Points
1989-90-1998-99 (90s) - 83.1 FGA, 101.0 Points
1999-00-2006-07 (00s) - 80.5 FGA, 96.2 Points

[Colby Brian]

does anybody know?

[Nobler]

Google?

[Christofire]

i'll post em.....give me 15-20 mins...gotta research

[PHaYze]

The FG% will drop once Kobe was drafted

[Hittin_Shots]

Google?

You are right

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/league_stats.html

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

The FG% will drop once Kobe was drafted

this was actually funny :oldlol:

[Hittin_Shots]

can somebody post it

League average points and FG% from 1980-2011

Your argument for modern era is gonna also say that 1950 had the best defence ever...

[madmax]

You are right

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/league_stats.html

dayum:lol Teams in the 60's were averaging 119 ppg in some seasons...now that is what you call a run and gun basketball

[Colby Brian]

Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
2006-07 NBA 1230 36.5 79.7 .458 6.1 16.9 .358 19.6 26.1 .752 11.1 41.1 21.3 7.2 4.6 15.1 22.2 98.7
2005-06 NBA 1230 35.8 79.0 .454 5.7 16.0 .358 19.6 26.3 .745 11.2 41.0 20.6 7.2 4.7 14.4 22.8 97.0
2004-05 NBA 1230 35.9 80.3 .447 5.6 15.8 .356 19.7 26.1 .756 12.0 41.9 21.3 7.5 4.9 14.5 22.6 97.2
2003-04 NBA 1189 35.0 79.8 .439 5.2 14.9 .347 18.2 24.2 .752 12.1 42.2 21.3 7.9 5.1 15.0 21.4 93.4
2002-03 NBA 1189 35.7 80.8 .442 5.1 14.7 .349 18.5 24.4 .758 12.0 42.3 21.5 7.9 5.0 14.9 21.8 95.1
2001-02 NBA 1189 36.2 81.3 .445 5.2 14.7 .354 17.9 23.8 .752 12.2 42.4 21.9 7.8 5.2 14.5 21.2 95.5
2000-01 NBA 1189 35.7 80.6 .443 4.8 13.7 .354 18.6 24.9 .748 12.0 42.5 21.8 7.8 5.3 15.0 22.3 94.8
1999-00 NBA 1189 36.8 82.1 .449 4.8 13.7 .353 19.0 25.3 .750 12.4 42.9 22.3 7.9 5.2 15.5 23.3 97.5
1998-99 NBA 725 34.2 78.2 .437 4.5 13.2 .339 18.8 25.8 .728 12.6 41.7 20.7 8.4 5.0 15.3 22.2 91.6
1997-98 NBA 1189 35.9 79.7 .450 4.4 12.7 .346 19.4 26.3 .737 13.0 41.5 22.0 8.4 5.1 15.5 22.4 95.6
1996-97 NBA 1189 36.1 79.3 .455 6.0 16.8 .360 18.7 25.3 .738 12.7 41.1 22.0 8.2 4.9 15.7 22.1 96.9
1995-96 NBA 1189 37.0 80.2 .462 5.9 16.0 .367 19.5 26.4 .740 12.6 41.3 22.7 8.0 5.1 15.8 23.0 99.5
1994-95 NBA 1107 38.0 81.5 .466 5.5 15.3 .359 19.9 27.1 .737 13.0 41.6 23.4 8.3 5.2 15.9 23.5 101.4
1993-94 NBA 1107 39.3 84.4 .466 3.3 9.9 .333 19.6 26.6 .734 13.9 43.0 24.4 8.9 5.2 16.0 22.2 101.5
1992-93 NBA 1107 40.7 86.0 .473 3.0 9.0 .336 20.9 27.7 .754 13.8 43.1 24.7 8.6 5.2 15.9 23.2 105.3
1991-92 NBA 1107 41.3 87.3 .472 2.5 7.6 .331 20.2 26.7 .759 14.4 43.7 24.5 8.6 5.5 15.6 22.2 105.3
1990-91 NBA 1107 41.4 87.2 .474 2.3 7.1 .320 21.3 27.9 .765 14.0 43.3 24.7 8.6 5.3 16.0 23.2 106.3
1989-90 NBA 1107 41.5 87.2 .476 2.2 6.6 .331 21.8 28.5 .764 13.8 43.1 24.9 8.5 5.1 16.1 23.3 107.0
1988-89 NBA 1025 42.5 89.0 .477 2.1 6.6 .323 22.1 28.8 .768 14.5 43.9 25.6 9.1 5.3 17.2 23.7 109.2
1987-88 NBA 943 42.1 87.7 .480 1.6 5.0 .316 22.3 29.1 .766 14.2 43.4 25.8 8.5 5.4 16.7 24.1 108.2
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1986-87 NBA 943 42.6 88.8 .480 1.4 4.7 .301 23.2 30.5 .763 14.7 44.0 26.0 8.6 5.5 17.0 24.5 109.9
1985-86 NBA 943 43.2 88.6 .487 0.9 3.3 .282 22.9 30.3 .756 14.1 43.6 26.0 8.8 5.3 17.8 25.2 110.2
1984-85 NBA 943 43.8 89.1 .491 0.9 3.1 .282 22.4 29.4 .764 14.3 43.5 26.3 8.5 5.3 17.9 24.9 110.8
1983-84 NBA 943 43.5 88.4 .492 0.6 2.4 .250 22.6 29.7 .760 14.2 43.0 26.2 8.5 5.3 17.9 25.8 110.1
1982-83 NBA 943 43.5 89.7 .485 0.5 2.3 .238 20.9 28.3 .740 14.8 44.5 25.9 8.9 5.6 19.1 25.6 108.5
1981-82 NBA 943 43.3 88.2 .491 0.6 2.3 .262 21.3 28.6 .746 14.3 43.5 25.2 8.5 5.4 17.7 26.2 108.6
1980-81 NBA 943 43.0 88.4 .486 0.5 2.0 .245 21.7 28.9 .751 14.5 43.5 25.5 9.0 5.3 18.7 25.1 108.1
1979-80 NBA 902 43.6 90.6 .481 0.8 2.8 .280 21.3 27.8 .764 15.1 44.9 25.8 9.4 5.3 18.9 24.4 109.3
1978-79 NBA 902 44.5 91.7 .485 21.3 28.3 .752 14.8 45.2 25.8 9.1 5.4 19.8 25.3 110.3
1977-78 NBA 902 43.6 92.9 .469 21.4 28.4 .752 15.0 47.1 25.0 9.6 5.1 20.1 25.2 108.5
1976-77 NBA 902 42.8 92.0 .465 20.8 27.7 .751 15.0 47.1 23.9 9.4 5.1 20.6 25.2 106.5
1975-76 NBA 738 42.1 91.7 .458 20.2 26.9 .751 14.4 47.4 23.0 8.9 4.4 19.8 24.8 104.3
ABA 307 44.9 96.4 .466 1.1 3.9 .295 21.6 28.0 .771 17.3 50.2 24.2 9.9 5.9 19.4 25.2 112.5
1974-75 NBA 738 41.7 91.1 .457 19.3 25.2 .765 14.2 47.1 23.8 8.8 4.3 19.8 24.3 102.6
ABA 420 44.2 93.5 .473 1.1 3.7 .293 19.3 25.1 .767 16.3 47.9 24.0 9.1 4.9 18.4 23.4 108.8
1973-74 NBA 697 43.1 93.9 .459 19.6 25.4 .771 14.7 48.2 24.6 8.7 4.7 20.8 23.8 105.7
ABA 420 42.9 93.3 .460 1.2 4.2 .283 19.3 25.4 .760 16.3 48.5 22.9 8.5 4.8 17.9 23.9 106.4
1972-73 NBA 697 44.2 96.9 .456 19.2 25.3 .758 50.6 25.2 22.8 107.6
ABA 420 43.0 91.4 .470 1.1 3.8 .289 24.6 32.9 .746 16.7 48.9 23.6 19.1 26.1 111.6
1971-72 NBA 697 43.4 95.5 .455 23.3 31.2 .748 51.1 24.1 23.6 110.2
ABA 462 43.9 95.3 .461 1.6 5.3 .297 24.1 31.8 .759 18.0 52.4 21.5 18.2 25.5 113.5
1970-71 NBA 697 44.0 98.0 .449 24.3 32.7 .745 53.1 24.3 24.4 112.4
ABA 462 45.5 100.1 .455 1.8 6.1 .299 24.6 32.7 .751 54.4 22.3 19.0 25.6 117.5
1969-70 NBA 574 45.7 99.4 .460 25.3 33.7 .751 52.9 24.7 25.1 116.7
ABA 462 43.1 96.8 .445 1.8 6.3 .291 25.1 33.7 .744 54.1 20.2 19.5 26.5 113.0
1968-69 NBA 574 43.7 99.0 .441 25.0 35.0 .714 56.9 23.1 25.5 112.3
ABA 429 42.6 97.6 .436 1.8 5.9 .299 27.9 38.2 .730 54.4 18.3 19.0 27.1 114.8
1967-68 NBA 492 45.0 100.8 .446 26.7 37.1 .720 66.2 22.8 26.3 116.6
ABA 429 40.7 96.9 .420 1.4 5.0 .285 26.1 36.3 .717 54.7 15.3 17.2 24.9 109.0
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1966-67 NBA 405 45.5 103.1 .441 26.5 36.2 .732 67.3 22.4 26.2 117.4
1965-66 NBA 360 44.3 102.4 .433 26.9 37.0 .727 68.2 22.9 26.2 115.5
1964-65 NBA 360 42.5 99.8 .426 25.6 35.6 .721 67.3 21.0 25.9 110.6
1963-64 NBA 360 42.9 99.1 .433 25.3 35.0 .722 65.9 21.4 26.8 111.0
1962-63 NBA 360 44.6 101.2 .441 26.1 35.9 .727 66.7 22.7 26.0 115.3
1961-62 NBA 360 45.9 107.7 .426 27.0 37.1 .727 71.4 23.9 25.9 118.8
1960-61 NBA 316 45.4 109.4 .415 27.4 37.4 .733 73.3 24.2 26.8 118.1
1959-60 NBA 300 44.5 108.7 .410 26.3 35.8 .735 73.5 22.6 25.6 115.3
1958-59 NBA 288 40.4 102.3 .395 27.4 36.3 .756 70.0 19.6 26.0 108.2
1957-58 NBA 288 39.0 101.9 .383 28.6 38.3 .746 71.7 19.6 25.5 106.6
1956-57 NBA 288 35.9 94.6 .380 27.7 36.9 .751 62.4 18.9 25.1 99.6
1955-56 NBA 288 35.3 91.4 .387 28.4 38.0 .745 60.1 24.3 26.4 99.0
1954-55 NBA 288 33.3 86.4 .385 26.5 35.9 .738 56.1 23.6 24.8 93.1
1953-54 NBA 324 28.1 75.4 .372 23.4 33.0 .709 50.9 20.3 25.4 79.5
1952-53 NBA 351 28.5 77.1 .370 25.7 35.9 .716 51.5 21.0 28.8 82.7
1951-52 NBA 330 29.6 80.8 .367 24.4 33.2 .735 54.5 21.9 26.9 83.7
1950-51 NBA 354 29.8 83.6 .357 24.5 33.4 .732 49.0 21.0 27.0 84.1
1949-50 NBA 561 28.2 83.1 .340 23.6 33.0 .714 19.6 27.0 80.0
1948-49 BAA 360 29.0 88.7 .327 22.0 31.3 .703 18.6 25.6 80.0
1947-48 BAA 192 27.2 96.0 .284 18.2 27.0 .675 7.0 22.2 72.7
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1946-47 BAA 331 25.9 92.9 .279 15.9 24.8 .641 6.9 20.8 67.8
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+

[Christofire]

gee...way to go you saved me 20 minutes of my life

[Hittin_Shots]

gee...way to go you saved me 20 minutes of my life

Why wud it take 20 mins? took about 5 seconds to find...

Were u gonna write up ur own?

[Christofire]

Why wud it take 20 mins? took about 5 seconds to find...

Were u gonna write up ur own?

i was on basketball reference..i was going through each year individually.....

[Christofire]

Colby, you do realize that people will just respond with the old "Fundamentals got progressively worse" right?

[Hittin_Shots]

i was on basketball reference..i was going through each year individually.....

Thats a wee bit silly.

[Hittin_Shots]

Colby, you do realize that people will just respond with the old "Fundamentals got progressively worse" right?

You mean not that 1950's was the greatest defensive era of all time?

[LEFT4DEAD]

The FG% will drop once Kobe was drafted
:lol :lol :lol :lol :roll:

[Christofire]

You mean not that 1950's was the greatest defensive era of all time?

Lol....any thing that fits Jordan agenda is what people tend to go with is what i'm sayin.

[Hittin_Shots]

Lol....any thing that fits Jordan agenda is what people tend to go with is what i'm sayin.

I have to agree with Jordan's agenda though seeing he was a better player than kobe. But Jordan being better than you is not a great insult. Ive come to accept it over time and so should Kobe and his fans :D

[Poochymama]

Lol....any thing that fits Jordan agenda is what people tend to go with is what i'm sayin.

And do you not tend to go with a Kobe agenda?

[Christofire]

I have to agree with Jordan's agenda though seeing he was a better player than kobe. But Jordan being better than you is not a great insult. Ive come to accept it over time and so should Kobe and his fans :D



It's an opinion. My problem is the tainting of facts to fit their agenda. If you feel jordan is better, that's fine i disagree but it's obviously understandable as to why you'd be of that opinion. just dont twist facts to push your agenda. Call a spade a spade in regard to the facts. There's nothiing that statistically proves Jordan played in a tougher defensive era etc., don't sit there and pull something out of your #ss to make an attempt to prove something that the numbers don't support. just state your opion and leave it there.

[Christofire]

And do you not tend to go with a Kobe agenda?
and what is the Kobe agenda. I don't taint facts to support this so called Kobe agenda.

[Hittin_Shots]

It's an opinion. My problem is the tainting of facts to fit their agenda. If you feel jordan is better, that's fine i disagree but it's obviously understandable as to why you'd be of that opinion. just dont twist facts to push your agenda. Call a spade a spade in regard to the facts. There's nothiing that statistically proves Jordan played in a tougher defensive era etc., don't sit there and pull something out of your #ss to make an attempt to prove something that the numbers don't support. just state your opion and leave it there.

He played in an era with a different defence, who am I to say it was harder or not, if there are accounts of players who played through both era's regarding their defence then I would say their opinion would be relevant. But we on a forum who have never played against either of the NBA defensive era's would not know. But even with the defences even I'm pretty sure Jordan is above Kobe in most areas statistically measurable, and I enjoyed watchin him play more than Kobe.

[Poochymama]

and what is the Kobe agenda. I don't taint facts to support this so called Kobe agenda.
:roll: :roll:
Biggest lie I've ever seen on this forum, and you know it.

[Christofire]

:roll: :roll:
Biggest lie I've ever seen on this forum, and you know it.


find me any stat that i've manipulated to favor Kobe.

[Hittin_Shots]

and what is the Kobe agenda. I don't taint facts to support this so called Kobe agenda.

You can't say Kobestans don't manipulate facts to support kobe either, just look at the thread we're in and what his original terrible point was.

[Poochymama]

find me any stat that i've manipulated to favor Kobe.

Sorry, I wasn't really talking about that part. I was talking about you pushing a Kobe agenda(which you do).

[Poochymama]

You can't say Kobestans don't manipulate facts to support kobe either, just look at the thread we're in and what his original terrible point was.

This, Kobe stans manipulate facts just as much as Jordan stans when it suits their argument.

[Hittin_Shots]

This, Kobe stans manipulate facts just as much as Jordan stans when it suits their argument.

I would say more, because Jordan has more stats in his favor, and his career has been over for a long time. If Kobestans didn't keep bringing him up I don't think jordan's would, well what people appear to do is show any stat that supports them but ignore stats opposite to their opinion.

And as for Colby Brian, he's too stupid to know how to use google, is that really what kobe fans want representing them?

[Bigsmoke]

2003-04 NBA .439

what? guys dont know how to shoot?

[Hittin_Shots]

what? guys dont know who to shoot?
:confusedshrug:

[asdf1990]

73 points on 28%fg, must have been brutal on the eyes.

[Hittin_Shots]

73 points on 28%fg, must have been brutal on the eyes.

No the awesomeness of the D would have been beautiful to watch, this thread is about defence.

[jlauber]

Of course, teams shoot the three a lot more in today's game than in the 80's, which would account for some of the FG% drop. For example eFG% in 2011 was at .498.

Personally, I have always wanted to know what happened in the 78-79 season that caused FG% to go from .469 in 77-78 to .485 in 78-79. From that point on, the league FG% was in the .480 to .492 area for about a decade....even with the advent of the trey.

One of the most interesting players was Artis Gilmore...whose FG%, on about the same scoring as he was doing in the 70's, and when he was in his prime, just went thru the roof in the 80's.

One more interesting point. I always get a kick out of those that hold "pace" against Chamberlain's accomplishments, yet they never acknowledge that the man was light years ahead of his peers in FG%. And it must be pointed out that early in his career, he was taking many outside shots (which would account for his .500-.540 shooting in his "scoring" years.) Also, some posters would have you believe that if you took Wilt's numbers into this era, that they would translate into about HALF of what he actually achieved...which is utter nonsense. In his '62 season, teams took 108 FGAs and 37 FTAs per game. In this past season, the NBA avearged 81 FGAs and and 24 FTAs per game. Which translates into 75% of the '62 season in FGAs and about 67% in FTAs. Reduce Wilt's FGAs in '62, which were at 39.5, and he takes about 30 FGAs in '11. Reduce his 17 FTAs in '62 to '11 levels, and he takes a little over 11 FTAs per game. Even before adjusting for a much higher FG% that he would shoot in '11, which was at .459 (instead of .426 in '62), he would averaged 37 ppg in TODAY's NBA. If you RAISE his .506 FG% to '11 levels, he would have shot .545. So, he would have scored about 2-3 more ppg, or nearly 40 ppg. THEN, if you factor in eFG%, which accounts for the many more 3's that are taken in today's game (and were nonexistent in '62 of course), which is at .498 in '11...and Wilt would have shot .591 (!) in '11. ..which would have given him 2.7 more FGs made ... or 42.4 ppg in '11... on .591 shooting.

Or, you could really simplify the entire process, and just do it the easy way. Team's averaged 118.8 ppg in '62, and 99.6 ppg in '11. Divide 99.6 by 118.8 and you come up with .838. Multiply that by Wilt's 50.4 ppg, and you come up with 42.3 ppg.

Now you can argue those numbers if you like. BUT, they are certainly more reflective of how a '62 Wilt would have fared in '11, than by the idiotic reasoning that his numbers would have been cut in HALF.

[Calabis]

find me any stat that i've manipulated to favor Kobe.

Here's one u use

Remove Kobe's first two seasons :roll:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Jordan's stans don't like it when you remind them with simple and obvious reasoning that his stats were born of an inflated era. :no:

[catch24]

More 3PT/A in the 2000s than in the 90s and 80s.

[Calabis]

More 3PT/A in the 2000s than in the 90s and 80s.

Yup, but its too hard for the Kobestans to look that a lower percentage shot is being taken at double the rate, hence a drop in FG%

Also less offensive rebounding, which tends to equal more possessions, which tends to lead to more points scored

[Colby Brian]

You can't say Kobestans don't manipulate facts to support kobe either, just look at the thread we're in and what his original terrible point was.

:wtf: what was my "terrible point"

[Colby Brian]

More 3PT/A in the 2000s than in the 90s and 80s.

true, 3PT attempts lower %

but there was More FGA and Points in the 80s and 90s, a faster pace

1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

thats 10.1 more FGA, and 13.8 more points per game

[Colby Brian]

1979-80-1988-89 (80s) - 88.9 FGA, 109.3 Points
1989-90-1998-99 (90s) - 83.1 FGA, 101.0 Points
1999-00-2006-07 (00s) - 80.5 FGA, 96.2 Points

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yup, but its too hard for the Kobestans to look that a lower percentage shot is being taken at double the rate, hence a drop in FG%

Also less offensive rebounding, which tends to equal more possessions, which tends to lead to more points scored

Less offensive rebounding = better defensive rebounding = less fast breaks = less easy buckets= lesser offensive performances

[Calabis]

Less offensive rebounding = better defensive rebounding = less fast breaks = less easy buckets= lesser offensive performances
Maybe ur bs theory would hold weight if total rebounds were not down, and just maybe if u actually knew something about the game, it just may have to do with more teams spacing out, due to heavier dose of three point shooting, also better and more dominant bigs

[Colby Brian]

Maybe ur bs theory would hold weight if total rebounds were not down, and just maybe if u actually knew something about the game, it just may have to do with more teams spacing out, do to heavier dose of three point shooting, also better and more dominant bigs

ok forget fg%, look at the points per game and FGAs, much higher in the 80s and 90s to now = more points, better stats

[Calabis]

ok forget fg%, look at the points per game and FGAs, much higher in the 80s and 90s to now = more points, better stats

Ok so now that your FG% myth has been debunked....true teams played at a faster pace back then...but I see what u'r trying to do here....u'r premise on this new argument is that if Kobe played back then he would get more attempts and his stats would increase....but wait what this

Kobe Bryant during his 35.4 ppg, 27.2 FGA/10.2 FTA
Michael Jordan during his 35.0 ppg, 24.4 FGA/10.5 FTA

Hmmm what gives...Kobe had 3 more FGA, yet avg the same amount of points...why doesn't Kobe have more points...was it this great defense he faced???? Who were his listed matchups???....Please don't have me post this list too(again since u and the stans ignored it another thread u got shut down in)

Well I guess this argument comes back full circle to...Jordan is just a more efficient scorer than Kobe:banana:

* Also teams took the ball inside more(results in more free throw attempts) and did not abandon their offense as much as they do today. Also better bigs causing defense to suck in, which resulted in higher percentage shots for cutters, mid range shots attempted more and shot at a higher percentage.

[Colby Brian]

Ok so now that your FG% myth has been debunked....true teams played at a faster pace back then...but I see what u'r trying to do here....u'r premise on this new argument is that if Kobe played back then he would get more attempts and his stats would increase....but wait what this

Kobe Bryant during his 35.4 ppg, 27.2 FGA/10.2 FTA
Michael Jordan during his 35.0 ppg, 24.4 FGA/10.5 FTA

Hmmm what gives...Kobe had 3 more FGA, yet avg the same amount of points...why doesn't Kobe have more points...was it this great defense he faced???? Who were his listed matchups???....Please don't have me post this list too(again since u and the stans ignored it another thread u got shut down in)

Well I guess this argument comes back full circle to...Jordan is just a more efficient scorer than Kobe:banana:

kobe 2005-06 3PA- 518
mj 1987-88 3PA- 53

3pointers lower fg% right :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Maybe ur bs theory would hold weight if total rebounds were not down, and just maybe if u actually knew something about the game, it just may have to do with more teams spacing out, do to heavier dose of three point shooting, also better and more dominant bigs

Try again in English this time.

[BEAST Griffin]

kobe 2005-06 3PA- 518
mj 1987-88 3PA- 53

3pointers lower fg% right :lol

Which is completely irrelevant. Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts. What part of that don't you understand?

[Colby Brian]

Which is completely irrelevant. Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts. What part of that don't you understand?

he shot a higher %, took about 450 less 3s than kobe

[BEAST Griffin]

he shot a higher %, took about 450 less 3s than kobe

He scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts. What part of that don't you understand? 3 pointers are irrelevant. Are you seriously this dense?

[Colby Brian]

He scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts. What part of that don't you understand? 3 pointers are irrelevant. Are you seriously this dense?

what part of 518>53 you dont understand, that would affect your % dont u think

[Calabis]

kobe 2005-06 3PA- 518
mj 1987-88 3PA- 53

3pointers lower fg% right :lol

Now u'r getting it............:rolleyes:

Kobe took more threes, and avg'd more shots than MJ right???....Since he's such a great 3 point shooter, why didn't he avg more pts???? Wait, wait, wait:confusedshrug: .... :wtf:

Jordan predominantly shooting two's(1945 of his 1998 shot attempts that year), on 3 less FGA a game, avg the same amount points as Kobe who was jacking up 518 threes??? Sounds like if Kobe were smarter at shot selection, he would be more efficient, because his 518, 3 point attempts are not proving he can outscore a two point shooting MJ on less attempts:banghead:

[Calabis]

Try again in English this time.

Try knowing what u'r talking about, instead of getting owned in every other thread:roll:

[Colby Brian]

Now u'r getting it............:rolleyes:

Kobe took more threes, and avg'd more shots than MJ right???....Since he's such a great 3 point shooter, why didn't he avg more pts???? Wait, wait, wait:confusedshrug: .... :wtf:

Jordan predominantly shooting two's(1945 of his 1998 shot attempts that year), on 3 less FGA a game, avg the same amount points as Kobe who was jacking up 518 threes??? Sounds like if Kobe were smarter at shot selection, he would be more efficient, because his 518, 3 point attempts are not proving he can outscore a two point shooting MJ on less attempts:banghead:

lol jordan couldnt shoot the 3 like kobe, thats why he didnt take that much :lol

[Inactive]

he shot a higher %, took about 450 less 3s than kobeJordan had a higher 2p%, Jordan's pace adjusted numbers > Kobes, Jordan scored more efficiently overall (higher efg/ts%), and Jordan shot a higher % relative to league average than Kobe. No matter how you look at it, Kobe doesn't match him statistically.

[BEAST Griffin]

what part of 518>53 you dont understand, that would affect your % dont u think

WHO CARES? Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts.

Fvcking moron.

[Colby Brian]

all jordanstans can say is look at the fg%, mj 50, kobe 45, but fail to realize kobe has taken over 2,000 more 3s

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Try knowing what u'r talking about, instead of getting owned in every other thread:roll:

Link?

[Colby Brian]

WHO CARES? Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts.

Fvcking moron.

u still dont get it *******

[Inactive]

all jordanstans can say is look at the fg%, mj 50, kobe 45, but fail to realize kobe has taken over 2,000 more 3sCompare their 2p%, then. Compare their overall efficiency. There is no argument for Kobe > Jordan in stats.

[jlauber]

When MJ averaged 35 ppg, that was over 20 years ago. Players today are much bigger, stronger, more athletic, better coached, better trained, and more skilled.


Or the same BS argument used against the players of Wilt's era...

[BEAST Griffin]

u still dont get it *******

No, you're too fvcking stupid to understand that 3pt attempts and FG% is irrelevant. Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts.

[Colby Brian]

Compare their 2p%, then. Compare their overall efficiency. There is no argument for Kobe > Jordan in stats.

i already know that jordan>kobe, but jordan played in a different era


1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

ill try to figure out their 2pt% rite now

[Colby Brian]

No, you're too fvcking stupid to understand that 3pt attempts and FG% is irrelevant. Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points with less field goal attempts.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:facepalm

[Colby Brian]

When MJ averaged 35 ppg, that was over 20 years ago. Players today are much bigger, stronger, more athletic, better coached, better trained, and more skilled.


Or the same BS argument used against the players of Wilt's era...

no the pace was different, look at the FGA and Points, much higher in the 60s, 80s,90s then the 00s

[BEAST Griffin]

When MJ averaged 35 ppg, that was over 20 years ago. Players today are much bigger, stronger, more athletic, better coached, better trained, and more skilled.


Or the same BS argument used against the players of Wilt's era...

People talk as though players mutate genetically and get more athletic etc. they just have better nutrition, exercise methods, etc. All of which the stars of the past could take advantage of just as well as their opposition.

[Inactive]

i already know that jordan>kobe, but jordan played in a different era


1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

ill try to figure out their 2pt% rite nowKobe's career 2p% is .484. Jordan's career 2p% is 51.4%.

In Jordan's prime (88-93, 24-30 years old) his 2p% was 53.9%. In Kobe's prime (03-08, 24-30 years old) his 2p% was 47.9%.

During Jordan's prime (88-93) league average fg% was .475. In those years, Jordan's FG% was .525, which is +.050 compared to the league average. During Kobe's prime (03-08), league average fg% was .449. In those years, Kobe's FG% was .449, which is +.000 compared to the league average.

[juju151111]

Calls you owned him just like you did elite in the other thread. They don't have a real comeback so he repeats his previous point that was already debunk. Things Kobe stans think.

1. MJ never faced a good defense.
2. Kobe is more efficient
3. The jordanrules didnt exist.
4. Kobe is better then MJ:lol :oldlol: :lol :oldlol:
5. MJ never got double teamed
6 Scrub SG today are better then MJ:facepalm
7. MJ would struggle today
8. Players MJ went against were soft.(yep Shaq,Drob,Dumars,Rodman, Dennis Johnson, grant hill, penny hardaway,Barkley, Clyde, Dominque, Magic, Malone, Isaia, Cooper etc... yep they suck.

All have been debunked don't pay attention to ****tards.

[BEAST Griffin]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:facepalm

You're an idiot. Michael Jordan scored the same amount of points on less field goal attempts. That's what matters. Not your little evasive tactic with FG% and Kobe's 3 point attempts. I didn't even mention FG%.

[jlauber]

no the pace was different, look at the FGA and Points, much higher in the 60s, 80s,90s then the 00s

In Wilt's '62 season, team's averaged 118.8 ppg on .426 shooting. In MJ's '87 season (37.1 ppg), team's averaged 109.9 ppg on .480 shooting. In kobe's '06 season (35.4 ppg), team's averaged 97.0 ppg on .454 shooting.

Just using simple math (and I have already used the complicated math in a previous post), 97.0 ppg divided by 118.8 ppg= .816 . Multiply Wilt's 50.4 ppg times .816 = 41.2 ppg.

[Calabis]

lol jordan couldnt shoot the 3 like kobe, thats why he didnt take that much :lol

Yet the more 3 pointers MJ took the higher his percentage was...he took 245 in 89-90 and shot 37.6%......let's just face the facts...Jordan was a smarter player than Kobe and took full advantage of his strengths.....Kobe jacking up fadeaway threes and crap, is not MJ's fault.....its Kobe's

After hitting a NBA record for three's in the Finals.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU
=Smart Player

You're probably a cool dude, but why u can't put 2 and 2 together is beyond me

[Colby Brian]

Kobes 2Pt = 48.3% (8294/17185)
MJ 2PT = 51.0% (11611/22759)

2.7% difference

[Colby Brian]

In Wilt's '62 season, team's averaged 118.8 ppg on .426 shooting. In MJ's '87 season (37.1 ppg), team's averaged 109.9 ppg on .480 shooting. In kobe's '06 season (35.4 ppg), team's averaged 97.0 ppg on .454 shooting.

Just using simple math (and I have already used the complicated math in a previous post), 97.0 ppg divided by 118.8 ppg= .816 . Multiply Wilt's 50.4 ppg times .816 = 41.2 ppg.

theres a big difference from 50.4 to 41.2, thats 9.2 points/game

whats MJs 37.1 ppg season in 2005-06 pace?

[Calabis]

Link?

Simple look at the first post on this thread, if you cannot see that overall rebounding is down, then enjoy.....ref links u been owned in?? Hell whenever u get hit with facts u disappear or try to ignore those facts and start arguing with another poster...ala u'r defensive rating threads and u'r uber swingman theory

[Colby Brian]

Yet the more 3 pointers MJ took the higher his percentage was...he took 245 in 89-90 and shot 37.6%......let's just face the facts...Jordan was a smarter player than Kobe and took full advantage of his strengths.....Kobe jacking up fadeaway threes and crap, is not MJ's fault.....its Kobe's

After hitting a NBA record for three's in the Finals.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU
=Smart Player

You're probably a cool dude, but why u can't put 2 and 2 together is beyond me

MJs better, but its not the stats that make him better

[juju151111]

theres a big difference from 50.4 to 41.2, thats 9.2 points/game

whats MJs 37.1 ppg season in 2005-06 pace?
You have to do it by MJ teams pace and he would of aged more FTs today.

[Calabis]

theres a big difference from 50.4 to 41.2, thats 9.2 points/game

whats MJs 37.1 ppg season in 2005-06 pace?

Doesn't matter he took 27 FGA during his 37.1 ppg, same amount of shots that Kobe did in 05-06 for 35 ppg ....funny thing is their teams were very similar....one man shows

U'r acting like Jordan got up 35 FGA a game to score 37ppg

[Colby Brian]

Calls you owned him just like you did elite in the other thread. They don't have a real comeback so he repeats his previous point that was already debunk. Things Kobe stans think.

1. MJ never faced a good defense.
2. Kobe is more efficient
3. The jordanrules didnt exist.
4. Kobe is better then MJ:lol :oldlol: :lol :oldlol:
5. MJ never got double teamed
6 Scrub SG today are better then MJ:facepalm
7. MJ would struggle today
8. Players MJ went against were soft.(yep Shaq,Drob,Dumars,Rodman, Dennis Johnson, grant hill, penny hardaway,Barkley, Clyde, Dominque, Magic, Malone, Isaia, Cooper etc... yep they suck.

All have been debunked don't pay attention to ****tards.

i dont believe that

[Calabis]

i dont believe that

Then what's with the agenda??

[juju151111]

MJs better, but its not the stats that make him better
Yes it is. Compare their regular season and playoff stats. Simple

[Colby Brian]

MJ is better than Kobe because of the accomplishments, awards, and championships, not stats, MJ played in a different era where Kobe couldve had similar stats aswell

[Colby Brian]

Then what's with the agenda??

that Wilts and MJs era were easier to score than in Kobes era

[Colby Brian]

Yes it is. Compare their regular season and playoff stats. Simple

look at the FGA and points teams scored back then to now, ofcourse MJ will have better stats

[juju151111]

i dont believe that
Then you must be freaking new to ish. I wasn't only referring you

[Calabis]

When MJ averaged 35 ppg, that was over 20 years ago. Players today are much bigger, stronger, more athletic, better coached, better trained, and more skilled.


Or the same BS argument used against the players of Wilt's era...

What people fail to realize is that Wilt was one of a kind....its not like 50 players did what he did....once people can understand that, then they will understand he would dominate in any era...I don't know about 50ppg in other era's, but I could see him dropping 35/15 in late 80's-90's, poss 40/15 during this garbage big man era(if given the basketball).

Next I'll hear that Jim Brown at 6'2, 230lbs, sub 4.4 speed couldn't play in todays NFL

[Colby Brian]

Then you must be freaking new to ish. I wasn't only referring you

lol barely any people bieleve that, maybe like 5 thats it

[Colby Brian]

What people fail to realize is that Wilt was one of a kind....its not like 50 players did what he did....once people can understand that, then they will understand he would dominate in any era...I don't know about 50ppg in other era's, but I could see him dropping 35/15 in late 80's-90's, poss 40/15 during this garbage big man era(if given the basketball).

Next I'll hear that Jim Brown at 6'2, 230lbs, sub 4.4 speed couldn't play in todays NFL

Im not saying Wilt wouldnt dominate, he would, in this slower paced era, theres no way he would average 50 tho, and drop 100 when his team scored like 162 points, or grab 55 rebounds, both teams dont even get that much combined sometimes
MJs stats aswell would still be crazy, but not 41ppg in the finals rite now or verse a defense like boston
simple

[Inactive]

Next I'll hear that Jim Brown at 6'2, 230lbs, sub 4.4 speed couldn't play in todays NFLSit tight for 15-20 years, and people will be saying 6'8 260 4.4 40 Lebron wouldn't stand out athletically. Every generation seems to think that their athletes are there the only ones that count =/.

[Calabis]

that Wilts and MJs era were easier to score than in Kobes era

How if rule changes were introduced to make it easier for guys like Kobe to score?? The spike in perimeter player's scoring and leading the league in in-the-paint scoring has already been well documented.

[Colby Brian]

How if rule changes were introduced to make it easier for guys like Kobe to score?? The spike in perimeter player's scoring and leading the league in in-the-paint scoring has already been well documented.

heres just an example

1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

rule changes, dont you think athletes have atleast gotten a little better from 20 years ago?

[juju151111]

look at the FGA and points teams scored back then to now, ofcourse MJ will have better stats
Wtf are you talking about. Even if MJ took less FG he would still be more efficient then Kobe. Wat does the points team scored matter? The only thing that matters is MJ fga and his FG%. MJ was like Wade but way better skillset. Kobe won't magically turn into a 50% guy in the 80s and 90s. He would still be checking contested shots because he never had MJ quickness or BBiq.

[Colby Brian]

Wtf are you talking about. Even if MJ took less FG he would still be more efficient then Kobe. Wat does the points team scored matter? The only thing that matters is MJ fga and his FG%. MJ was like Wade but way better skillset. Kobe won't magically turn into a 50% guy in the 80s and 90s. He would still be checking contested shots because he never had MJ quickness or BBiq.

Kobe is more of a perimeter player, takes 3s

Career FGA

Kobe - 19.4
MJ - 22.9

3.5 shot attempts more

even a 38 year old MJ took 22.1 FGA

[BEAST Griffin]

heres just an example

1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

rule changes, dont you think athletes have atleast gotten a little better from 20 years ago?

Using the numbers you posted:

1984-84 - 1.243 points per field goal attempt.
2005-06 - 1.227 points per field goal attempt.

The reason for the higher FG% back then is the big men and less 3pt shooting. Having more scoring from big men also means more field goal attempts overall.

[Colby Brian]

Using the numbers you posted:

1984-84 - 1.243 points per field goal attempt.
2005-06 - 1.227 points per field goal attempt.

The reason for the higher FG% back then is the big men. Having more scoring from big men also means more field goal attempts.

multiply those numbers by 22.9 (MJs FGA) and 19.4 (Kobes FGA) and it makes a difference

[Calabis]

Im not saying Wilt wouldnt dominate, he would, in this slower paced era, theres no way he would average 50 tho, and drop 100 when his team scored like 162 points, or grab 55 rebounds, both teams dont even get that much combined sometimes
MJs stats aswell would still be crazy, but not 41ppg in the finals rite now or verse a defense like boston
simple

Wilt probably wouldn't avg 50, because he wouldn't be feed the ball as much...not because he couldn't...huge difference

MJ wouldn't avg 41ppg against Boston?? Maybe/Maybe not, confusedshrug:(but I don't see how u can say he couldn't, if Kobe avg 28ppg on 41%) but to think his offense would suffer, in a era that changed rules to help players exactly like him is ludicrous.

1989 Detroit Pistons ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
29.67ppg 5.5reb 6.5ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 46pts)

1990 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
32.14ppg 7.1reb 6.3ast 47%fg
(High scoring game: 47pts & a 42pt game)

1992 New York Knicks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
31.28ppg 5.7reb 4.3ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 42pts)

1993 New York Knicks ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
32.16ppg 6.2reb 7.0ast 40%fg
(High scoring game: 54 pts)

All superstar players numbers increased after the 04 rule changes...so please explain why Jordan couldn't dump in 35-38ppg in this era...hell if Iverson can avg 33..Jordan imo can get 40ppg if he tried too

2003-2004 ppg:
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Tracy McGrady-ORL 28.0
2. Peja Stojakovic-SAC 24.2
3. Kevin Garnett-MIN 24.2
4. Kobe Bryant-LAL 24.0

2004-2005 ppg (rules changes in full effect)
(Notice a spike in scoring and notice how many perimeter players top the PPG lists)
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Allen Iverson-PHI 30.7
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 27.6
3. LeBron James-CLE 27.2
4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.1
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 26.0
6. Tracy McGrady-HOU 25.7
7. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 25.5
8. Vince Carter-TOT 24.5
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.1

2005-2006 ppg
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 35.4
2. Allen Iverson-PHI 33.0
3. LeBron James-CLE 31.4
4. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 29.3
5. Dwyane Wade-MIA 27.2
6. Paul Pierce-BOS 26.8
7. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.6
8. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 26.5
9. Michael Redd-MIL 25.4
10. Ray Allen-SEA 25.1
11. Elton Brand-LAC 24.7
12. Vince Carter-NJN 24.2

[BEAST Griffin]

multiply those numbers by 22.9 (MJs FGA) and 19.4 (Kobes FGA) and it makes a difference

You're going to use the leauge's overall points per field goal attempt and multiply them by Kobe's and MJ's field goal attempts?

:facepalm

Remind me next time not to waste my time with you.

[juju151111]

Im not saying Wilt wouldnt dominate, he would, in this slower paced era, theres no way he would average 50 tho, and drop 100 when his team scored like 162 points, or grab 55 rebounds, both teams dont even get that much combined sometimes
MJs stats aswell would still be crazy, but not 41ppg in the finals rite now or verse a defense like boston
simple
Not 41 ppg??? Wtf are u talking about? Wade destroyed the Celtic last year playoffs. PP-"no no we were trying to stop him but couldn't" MJ destroyed piston defense avging 40+ them. Just becausekobe can't doesn't mean Nobody can. MJ is better then Kobe especially prime MJ. Kobe got guarded by Pp, James posey, and ray freaking Allen. None of those guys can even guard 2nd threat MJ muchless prime MJ. Kobe is a jumpshot machine whichh helped their cause of defending him. With MJ you are talking about top 5 offball player, best first step, midrange, clutch etc... not someone who chicks up contested shots.

[juju151111]

Im not saying Wilt wouldnt dominate, he would, in this slower paced era, theres no way he would average 50 tho, and drop 100 when his team scored like 162 points, or grab 55 rebounds, both teams dont even get that much combined sometimes
MJs stats aswell would still be crazy, but not 41ppg in the finals rite now or verse a defense like boston
simple
Not 41 ppg??? Wtf are u talking about? Wade destroyed the Celtic last year playoffs. PP-"no no we were trying to stop him but couldn't" MJ destroyed piston defense avging 40+ them. Just becausekobe can't doesn't mean Nobody can. MJ is better then Kobe especially prime MJ. Kobe got guarded by Pp, James posey, and ray freaking Allen. None of those guys can even guard 2nd threat MJ muchless prime MJ. Kobe is a jumpshot machine whichh helped their cause of defending him. With MJ you are talking about top 5 offball player, best first step, midrange, clutch etc... not someone who chicks up contested shots.

[Colby Brian]

Wilt probably wouldn't avg 50, because he wouldn't be feed the ball as much...not because he couldn't...huge difference

MJ wouldn't avg 41ppg against Boston?? Maybe/Maybe not, confusedshrug:(but I don't see how u can say he couldn't, if Kobe avg 28ppg on 41%) but to think his offense would suffer, in a era that changed rules to help players exactly like him is ludicrous.

1989 Detroit Pistons ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
29.67ppg 5.5reb 6.5ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 46pts)

1990 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
32.14ppg 7.1reb 6.3ast 47%fg
(High scoring game: 47pts & a 42pt game)

1992 New York Knicks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
31.28ppg 5.7reb 4.3ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 42pts)

1993 New York Knicks ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
32.16ppg 6.2reb 7.0ast 40%fg
(High scoring game: 54 pts)

All superstar players numbers increased after the 04 rule changes...so please explain why Jordan couldn't dump in 35-38ppg in this era...hell if Iverson can avg 33..Jordan imo can get 40ppg if he tried too

2003-2004 ppg:
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Tracy McGrady-ORL 28.0
2. Peja Stojakovic-SAC 24.2
3. Kevin Garnett-MIN 24.2
4. Kobe Bryant-LAL 24.0

2004-2005 ppg (rules changes in full effect)
(Notice a spike in scoring and notice how many perimeter players top the PPG lists)
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Allen Iverson-PHI 30.7
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 27.6
3. LeBron James-CLE 27.2
4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.1
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 26.0
6. Tracy McGrady-HOU 25.7
7. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 25.5
8. Vince Carter-TOT 24.5
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.1

2005-2006 ppg
Points Per Game Leaders
1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 35.4
2. Allen Iverson-PHI 33.0
3. LeBron James-CLE 31.4
4. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 29.3
5. Dwyane Wade-MIA 27.2
6. Paul Pierce-BOS 26.8
7. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.6
8. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 26.5
9. Michael Redd-MIL 25.4
10. Ray Allen-SEA 25.1
11. Elton Brand-LAC 24.7
12. Vince Carter-NJN 24.2

kobe FGA
03-04 - 18.1
04-05 - 20.1
05-06 - 27.2

[BEAST Griffin]

kobe FGA
03-04 - 18.1
04-05 - 20.1
05-06 - 27.2

And as usual, Colby Brian completely misses the point.

[Colby Brian]

Not 41 ppg??? Wtf are u talking about? Wade destroyed the Celtic last year playoffs. PP-"no no we were trying to stop him but couldn't" MJ destroyed piston defense avging 40+ them. Just becausekobe can't doesn't mean Nobody can. MJ is better then Kobe especially prime MJ. Kobe got guarded by Pp, James posey, and ray freaking Allen. None of those guys can even guard 2nd threat MJ muchless prime MJ. Kobe is a jumpshot machine whichh helped their cause of defending him. With MJ you are talking about top 5 offball player, best first step, midrange, clutch etc... not someone who chicks up contested shots.

jordan took 199 FGA in 6 games, thats a 33.2 FGA average

in 2010 finals Kobe took 163 FGA in 7 games

[Colby Brian]

And as usual, Colby Brian completely misses the point.

2001-02
1. Allen Iverson, PHI 31.4
2. Shaquille O'Neal, LAL 27.2
3. Paul Pierce, BOS 26.1
4. Tracy McGrady, ORL 25.6
5. Tim Duncan, SA 25.5

2002-03
1. Tracy McGrady, ORL 32.1
2. Kobe Bryant, LAL 30.0
3. Allen Iverson, PHI 27.6
4. Shaquille O'Neal, LAL 27.5
5. Paul Pierce, BOS 25.9

why didnt you post those up?

[BEAST Griffin]

2001-02
1. Allen Iverson, PHI 31.4
2. Shaquille O'Neal, LAL 27.2
3. Paul Pierce, BOS 26.1
4. Tracy McGrady, ORL 25.6
5. Tim Duncan, SA 25.5

2002-03
1. Tracy McGrady, ORL 32.1
2. Kobe Bryant, LAL 30.0
3. Allen Iverson, PHI 27.6
4. Shaquille O'Neal, LAL 27.5
5. Paul Pierce, BOS 25.9

why didnt you post those up?

I just pointed out that your reply was irrelevant.

[Colby Brian]

I'm just pointing out that your reply was irrelevant.

this was to calabis

[Calabis]

heres just an example

1984-85 - 89.1 FGA, .491%, 110.8 Points
2005-06 - 79.0 FGA, .454%, 97.0 Points

rule changes, dont you think athletes have atleast gotten a little better from 20 years ago?

Sure they have, as far as athleticism and what not...but not "on the court smarts" nor fundamentals(those things don't change) and at this point, I don't see a guy in today's league with a greater combination of athleticism, speed, and strength packaged like Jordan...Lebron would be the only one I can say has it.......same can be said about Wilt...show me another player that encompassed all his abilities...none...u will soon realize that every generation has that one athlete that could dominate any era.

Does this mean no one can come along and be better...nope. I'm sure someone eventually will, I just hope I'm alive to see it.

[Colby Brian]

Sure they have, as far as athleticism and what not...but not "on the court smarts" nor fundamentals(those things don't change) and at this point, I don't see a guy in today's league with a greater combination of athleticism, speed, and strength packaged like Jordan...Lebron would be the only one I can say has it.......same can be said about Wilt...show me another player that encompassed all his abilities...none...u will soon realize that every generation has that one athlete that could dominate any era.

Does this mean no one can come along and be better...nope. I'm sure someone eventually will, I just hope I'm alive to see it.

dude, just admit the pace was faster back then, cause it was

1979-80-1988-89 (80s) - 88.9 FGA, 109.3 Points
1989-90-1998-99 (90s) - 83.1 FGA, 101.0 Points
1999-00-2006-07 (00s) - 80.5 FGA, 96.2 Points

[15yearmagicfan]

this was actually funny :oldlol:


hahahahahah, true ill give him credit.

[juju151111]

Kobe is more of a perimeter player, takes 3s

Career FGA

Kobe - 19.4
MJ - 22.9

3.5 shot attempts more

even a 38 year old MJ took 22.1 FGA
Wtf does that have to do with anything I said? MJ was more effient then Kobe. What does him taking more shots in his careers matter?

[juju151111]

kobe FGA
03-04 - 18.1
04-05 - 20.1
05-06 - 27.2
Are you braindead? What does your reply have to do with his Post. Kobe was taking less shots because of Shaq and Phil Jackson. Phil new Shaq was the best option back then. Even when Kobe fga he still shot 45% it didn't matter.

[juju151111]

jordan took 199 FGA in 6 games, thats a 33.2 FGA average

in 2010 finals Kobe took 163 FGA in 7 games
Am I in the twilight universe or is this guy literally talking to himself. Noting in your post even address my post. Why did u quote me?:wtf:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Nice Find Colby Brian.

I was looking for this myself but couldn't seem to find it.

[juju151111]

Nice Find Colby Brian.

I was looking for this myself but couldn't seem to find it.
Hey can you tell it buddy to respond to our post. How can we be talking about one thing and then he response is something that has noting on the topic at hand.

[Calabis]

kobe FGA
03-04 - 18.1
04-05 - 20.1
05-06 - 27.2

Dude u completely missed the point, it has nothing to do with Kobe, he's a scorer, he's going to score in any era......the point was the increase in perimeter players scoring, ie no longer really any big men or pf's on the list, dominated by swingmen, which is what the rule change favored. Which is what today's NBA is a perimeter players game.


1. Let's just make this simple.....your whole agenda, is to say MJ can't score like he did in this era because of "the new pace factor"...yet u have no explanation on how Kobe was able to match Jordan's career high in attempts at 27 FGA in 2005-06.....How can Kobe get up 27 FGA at a slow pace???? That equals Jordan's max in a faster pace league :confusedshrug: ..if anything u'r hurting, u'r cause, by only proving Kobe is more than a "jacker" then we all previously thought.....that means Kobe would be shooting 30-34 shots a game in MJ's day(that's one greedy sommabitch):roll: .

2. Do you think Jordan is better than Wade?? 95% of this board probably believes Jordan is a taller, stronger more athletic version of Wade, with a better jumper, a better finisher around the rim, with a better post up game. Basically Wade on steroids........translation: Wade can avg 27ppg on 18 FGA(Not to mention the severe increase in free throws. Jumpshooting Kobe Bryant had three straight seasons of 10 or more free throws, Wade has avg 9 for his career) but MJ couldn't avg 37-38 ppg on 27 FGA???

Hell better yet....you're telling me these guys In 2010:

Kobe scored:

460 pts on layups/dunks
572 pts inside 10 ft
862 pts inside of 15 ft
439 pts from the FT line.

Total: 669 pts outside 15+ ft < 1,301 pts INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line.

That means 66% (2/3 of his pts) came inside of 15 ft & the FT line LOL!!

Carmelo (the alleged pure jump shooter) scored:

652 pts on dunks/layups
736 pts inside 10 ft
864 pts inside 15 ft
508 pts from the FT line
571 pts outside 15 f

Total: 1,372 of his total pts came inside 15 ft or the FT line (71% of his total pts)

D-Wade (who doesn't even have MJ's post game or jumper) scored:

762 pts on dunks/layups
894 pts inside 10 ft
996 pts inside 15 ft
534 pts from the FT line
515 pts from outside 15 ft

Total: 1,530 of his total pts came inside 15 ft or from the FT line (75% of his total pts)

Tony Parker (a 6'1 pt guard) has led the league in pts scored in the paint TWICE!!


Tyriq Evans (a rookie in 2010) scored 714 pts on layups/dunks (84% of his total pts)

Durant scored 602 pts on layups/dunks (70% of his total pts)

LBJ scored 754 pts on layups/dunks (68% of his total pts)

Brandon Roy scored 346 pts on layups/dunks (63% of his total pts)

Joe Johnson scored 324 pts on layups/dunks (42% of his total pts)


The new rules MANUFACTURE perimeter super stars! It's MUCH EASIER for perimeter players to score today than in the Golden Era!

I mean the list of wing players scoring big time pts INSIDE 10-15 ft in tody's game is endless...

Darren Williams scored:

392 pts on layups/dunks
486 pts inside 10 ft
528 inside 15 ft
335 pts from the FT line
556 pts from outside 15 ft

Total: 863 of his total pts came INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line (61% of his total pts)

Dirk Nowitzki (not a great athlete & terrible foot speed) scored:

328 pts on layups/dunks
416 pts inside 10 ft
718 pts inside 15 ft
536 pts from the FT line
773 pts outside 15 ft

Total: 1,254 of his total pts came INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line (62% of his toal pts)

All these dudes can get points, basically at will inside 15 feet, yet Jordan would have a harder time getting to the free throw line and into lanes??

[Calabis]

dude, just admit the pace was faster back then, cause it was

1979-80-1988-89 (80s) - 88.9 FGA, 109.3 Points
1989-90-1998-99 (90s) - 83.1 FGA, 101.0 Points
1999-00-2006-07 (00s) - 80.5 FGA, 96.2 Points

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp346/jballew7/rightoveryourhead.gif

[Colby Brian]

Dude u completely missed the point, it has nothing to do with Kobe, he's a scorer, he's going to score in any era......the point was the increase in perimeter players scoring, ie no longer really any big men or pf's on the list, dominated by swingmen, which is what the rule change favored. Which is what today's NBA is a perimeter players game.


1. Let's just make this simple.....your whole agenda, is to say MJ can't score like he did in this era because of "the new pace factor"...yet u have no explanation on how Kobe was able to match Jordan's career high in attempts at 27 FGA in 2005-06.....How can Kobe get up 27 FGA at a slow pace???? That equals Jordan's max in a faster pace league :confusedshrug: ..if anything u'r hurting, u'r cause, by only proving Kobe is more than a "jacker" then we all previously thought.....that means Kobe would be shooting 30-34 shots a game in MJ's day(that's one greedy sommabitch):roll: .

2. Do you think Jordan is better than Wade?? 95% of this board probably believes Jordan is a taller, stronger more athletic version of Wade, with a better jumper, a better finisher around the rim, with a better post up game. Basically Wade on steroids........translation: Wade can avg 27ppg on 18 FGA(Not to mention the severe increase in free throws. Jumpshooting Kobe Bryant had three straight seasons of 10 or more free throws, Wade has avg 9 for his career) but MJ couldn't avg 37-38 ppg on 27 FGA???

Hell better yet....you're telling me these guys In 2010:

Kobe scored:

460 pts on layups/dunks
572 pts inside 10 ft
862 pts inside of 15 ft
439 pts from the FT line.

Total: 669 pts outside 15+ ft < 1,301 pts INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line.

That means 66% (2/3 of his pts) came inside of 15 ft & the FT line LOL!!

Carmelo (the alleged pure jump shooter) scored:

652 pts on dunks/layups
736 pts inside 10 ft
864 pts inside 15 ft
508 pts from the FT line
571 pts outside 15 f

Total: 1,372 of his total pts came inside 15 ft or the FT line (71% of his total pts)

D-Wade (who doesn't even have MJ's post game or jumper) scored:

762 pts on dunks/layups
894 pts inside 10 ft
996 pts inside 15 ft
534 pts from the FT line
515 pts from outside 15 ft

Total: 1,530 of his total pts came inside 15 ft or from the FT line (75% of his total pts)

Tony Parker (a 6'1 pt guard) has led the league in pts scored in the paint TWICE!!


Tyriq Evans (a rookie in 2010) scored 714 pts on layups/dunks (84% of his total pts)

Durant scored 602 pts on layups/dunks (70% of his total pts)

LBJ scored 754 pts on layups/dunks (68% of his total pts)

Brandon Roy scored 346 pts on layups/dunks (63% of his total pts)

Joe Johnson scored 324 pts on layups/dunks (42% of his total pts)


The new rules MANUFACTURE perimeter super stars! It's MUCH EASIER for perimeter players to score today than in the Golden Era!

I mean the list of wing players scoring big time pts INSIDE 10-15 ft in tody's game is endless...

Darren Williams scored:

392 pts on layups/dunks
486 pts inside 10 ft
528 inside 15 ft
335 pts from the FT line
556 pts from outside 15 ft

Total: 863 of his total pts came INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line (61% of his total pts)

Dirk Nowitzki (not a great athlete & terrible foot speed) scored:

328 pts on layups/dunks
416 pts inside 10 ft
718 pts inside 15 ft
536 pts from the FT line
773 pts outside 15 ft

Total: 1,254 of his total pts came INSIDE 15 ft or the FT line (62% of his toal pts)

All these dudes can get points, basically at will inside 15 feet, yet Jordan would have a harder time getting to the free throw line and into lanes??

no he would do his thing, just he wouldnt have as much possessions as right now, same with wilt

[Calabis]

jordan took 199 FGA in 6 games, thats a 33.2 FGA average

in 2010 finals Kobe took 163 FGA in 7 games

:facepalm

Kobe has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 games
Mike has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games
Why does Kobe have more misses, yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?

Again efficiency tends to produce better results :banghead:

[Colby Brian]

Are you braindead? What does your reply have to do with his Post. Kobe was taking less shots because of Shaq and Phil Jackson. Phil new Shaq was the best option back then. Even when Kobe fga he still shot 45% it didn't matter.

this isnt worthy of a response, whats your point, i already told you about fg%

[Calabis]

no he would do his thing, just he wouldnt have as much possessions as right now, same with wilt

:wtf: Kobe just avg 20 FGA a game this season....Jordan as a old broke down P.O.S. avg 22 FGA a game in this era.....Prime/Great Endurance Jordan can't get 22-24 FGA a game? Come on Colby...u'r just trying to argue...enjoy the rest of u'r day.

[Colby Brian]

:facepalm

Kobe has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 games
Mike has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games
Why does Kobe have more misses, yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?

Again efficiency tends to produce better results :banghead:

1. MJ is better finals performer
2. Kobe has taken more 3s, and a lower %
3. why do keep postin stuff about %

[Colby Brian]

:wtf: Kobe just avg 20 FGA a game this season....Jordan as a old broke down P.O.S. avg 22 FGA a game in this era.....Prime/Great Endurance Jordan can't get 22-24 FGA a game? Come on Colby...u'r just trying to argue...enjoy the rest of u'r day.

i guess you dont get it then

[Calabis]

1. MJ is better finals performer
2. Kobe has taken more 3s, and a lower %
3. why do keep postin stuff about %

Look at the title of u'r thread :confusedshrug:

[Colby Brian]

Look at the title of u'r thread :confusedshrug:

yeah, i know we already went over fg%, the 3point shot increased

but what you fail to realize it that in the 80s-90s the FGA and points were higher than today

[Calabis]

i guess you dont get it then

I got it...I got it a long time ago...u'r saying Jordan wouldn't get as many shots as he did...I asked you why the hell did Kobe get up Jordan's max attempts in a slower pace league 27 FGA......I'll wait for u to explain that one :sleeping

[Colby Brian]

I got it...I got it a long time ago...u'r saying Jordan wouldn't get as many shots as he did...I asked you why the hell did Kobe get up Jordan's max attempts in a slower pace league 27 FGA......I'll wait for u to explain that one :sleeping

just one season man

career FGA
kobe 19.4
mj - 22.9

also you forgot that with a faster pace theres more chances to get foul shots, foul shot doesnt equal a FGA

[23forever]

Calabis > Colby Brian

:applause:

[Colby Brian]

Calabis > Colby Brian

:applause:

:lol jordanstan, but but but..he played in a tougher era and hard fouls:lol

[juju151111]

:lol jordanstan, but but but..he played in a tougher era and hard fouls:lol
Do you believe you even putting up a argument? You hot raped and couldn't respond to 90% of peoples post, but instead post things that had noting to do with anything. You are one of the worse Kobe trolls we had in a while. Atleast you could actually have a debate with someone like Fatal back in the day and he would bring up good points. Roundball had knowledge of the gm, but you are just beyond dumb.

[23forever]

:lol jordanstan, but but but..he played in a tougher era and hard fouls:lol


Hard fouls? you mean these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ

:lol :lol :lol

[Colby Brian]

Do you believe you even putting up a argument? You hot raped and couldn't respond to 90% of peoples post, but instead post things that had noting to do with anything. You are one of the worse Kobe trolls we had in a while. Atleast you could actually have a debate with someone like Fatal back in the day and he would bring up good points. Roundball had knowledge of the gm, but you are just beyond dumb.

raped? the only thing u said was fg%

[Colby Brian]

Hard fouls? you mean these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ

:lol :lol :lol

hard fouls = better defense, no it doesnt it just means you foul harder :lol

[SinJackal]

So what's the purpose of this thread exactly? To fluff Kobe's dick by saying his era had "better defense"?

FG% got lower as time went on because the league shot significantly more threes. League eFG% and TS% never really dropped. Those stats take 3pt shots adding more points into account.

[juju151111]

raped? the only thing u said was fg%
You are not responding to my post so why keep arguing? calbis explains something to u, you post the something and calbis post flushing right over it head. I don't believe your stupid, I think if playing dumb because u can't respond. Acting like u don't understand.

[juju151111]

So what's the purpose of this thread exactly? To fluff Kobe's dick by saying his era had "better defense"?

FG% got lower as time went on because the league shot significantly more threes. League eFG% and TS% never really dropped. Those stats take 3pt shots adding more points into account.
Is that you sinjackal? Damn son stay off bulls bandwagon through. You is cursed.

[23forever]

hard fouls = better defense, no it doesnt it just means you foul harder :lol


These "hard fouls" in the vid = flagrant fouls in today's NBA.....and you still think Jordan's era is weaker than today's NBA?? hmmm....

[SinJackal]

Is that you sinjackal? Damn son stay off bulls bandwagon through. You is cursed.

Shut the **** up, bitch. You're the only Bulls bandwagoner here.

[Colby Brian]

These "hard fouls" in the vid = flagrant fouls in today's NBA.....and you still think Jordan's era is weaker than today's NBA?? hmmm....

the era is not weaker, its just was a faster pace with more points and FGA. FACT

[Colby Brian]

before replying atleast look at the data first

FGA and Points were significantly higher in the 80s/90s

[Colby Brian]

So what's the purpose of this thread exactly? To fluff Kobe's dick by saying his era had "better defense"?

FG% got lower as time went on because the league shot significantly more threes. League eFG% and TS% never really dropped. Those stats take 3pt shots adding more points into account.

so people are admitting that 3s drop your fg% wow

did you just look at fg%, look at the FGA and points

[23forever]

so people are admitting that 3s drop your fg% wow

did you just look at fg%, look at the FGA and points


Calabis & juju151111 already answered your questions IMO.

[Colby Brian]

Calabis & juju151111 already answered your questions IMO.

i dont have any questions, i just posted the data

then watched jordanstans just come up with something, you guys wont admit that that era was a faster paced, which allowed better stats all around

[juju151111]

Shut the **** up, bitch. You're the only Bulls bandwagoner here.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa I told you Duncan was a old fart not saving it for shit.

[SinJackal]

so people are admitting that 3s drop your fg% wow

did you just look at fg%, look at the FGA and points

It's common knowledge that shooting a lot of threes drops your 3pt%. I've never been one to argue that, so I'm not sure why you're acting surprised.

And yes, I know the pace is slower now. I have made posts about it in the past, I'm not one of those guys who just says random shit. . .I actually look stuff up before I post. Even if you don't like what stats I happen to use, they are always accurate since I look them up before posting.

Anyway, back to pace. The rules are different now. It's easier to get into the paint in halfcourt sets, so there's no need to rush shots like there was before. Hence, the slower pace. Talent is pretty diluted now, so only the upper echelon teams still produce those gaudy 110+ offensive ratings. Not as many teams are as offensively talented though, so overal offensive rating is a bit down from what it was before Jordan retired (speaking of which, note the dropoffs in offense each time Jordan retired. Especially the 2nd time he retired. Interesting, imo).

Again though, FG% dropped, but eFG% and TS% really didn't. Defenses aren't magically way better now, scoring efficiency is similar to what it's always been. Defense did certainly increase for a few years before 2004 though. Spurs and Pistons had some crazy defensive teams.



Haaaaaaaaaaaaa I told you Duncan was a old fart not saving it for shit.

Duncan hasn't done any worse than Ibaka/Perkins has in game 1. So you can eat shit, little bitch. Duncan can't defend both at once either. You need to stop talking shit, or you're going to be the one that curses the Bulls. I'd rather not see the Bulls lose, to stfu and quit being a ******* troll.

[Colby Brian]

And yes, I know the pace is slower now. I have made posts about it in the past, I'm not one of those guys who just says random shit. . .I actually look stuff up before I post. Even if you don't like what stats I happen to use, they are always accurate since I look them up before posting.

Anyway, back to pace. The rules are different now. It's easier to get into the paint in halfcourt sets, so there's no need to rush shots like there was before. Hence, the slower pace. Talent is pretty diluted now, so only the upper echelon teams still produce those gaudy 110+ offensive ratings. Not as many teams are as offensively talented though, so overal offensive rating is a bit down from what it was before Jordan retired (speaking of which, note the dropoffs in offense each time Jordan retired. Especially the 2nd time he retired. Interesting, imo).


facts right here man



Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
2006-07 NBA 1230 36.5 79.7 .458 6.1 16.9 .358 19.6 26.1 .752 11.1 41.1 21.3 7.2 4.6 15.1 22.2 98.7
2005-06 NBA 1230 35.8 79.0 .454 5.7 16.0 .358 19.6 26.3 .745 11.2 41.0 20.6 7.2 4.7 14.4 22.8 97.0
2004-05 NBA 1230 35.9 80.3 .447 5.6 15.8 .356 19.7 26.1 .756 12.0 41.9 21.3 7.5 4.9 14.5 22.6 97.2
2003-04 NBA 1189 35.0 79.8 .439 5.2 14.9 .347 18.2 24.2 .752 12.1 42.2 21.3 7.9 5.1 15.0 21.4 93.4
2002-03 NBA 1189 35.7 80.8 .442 5.1 14.7 .349 18.5 24.4 .758 12.0 42.3 21.5 7.9 5.0 14.9 21.8 95.1
2001-02 NBA 1189 36.2 81.3 .445 5.2 14.7 .354 17.9 23.8 .752 12.2 42.4 21.9 7.8 5.2 14.5 21.2 95.5
2000-01 NBA 1189 35.7 80.6 .443 4.8 13.7 .354 18.6 24.9 .748 12.0 42.5 21.8 7.8 5.3 15.0 22.3 94.8
1999-00 NBA 1189 36.8 82.1 .449 4.8 13.7 .353 19.0 25.3 .750 12.4 42.9 22.3 7.9 5.2 15.5 23.3 97.5
1998-99 NBA 725 34.2 78.2 .437 4.5 13.2 .339 18.8 25.8 .728 12.6 41.7 20.7 8.4 5.0 15.3 22.2 91.6
1997-98 NBA 1189 35.9 79.7 .450 4.4 12.7 .346 19.4 26.3 .737 13.0 41.5 22.0 8.4 5.1 15.5 22.4 95.6
1996-97 NBA 1189 36.1 79.3 .455 6.0 16.8 .360 18.7 25.3 .738 12.7 41.1 22.0 8.2 4.9 15.7 22.1 96.9
1995-96 NBA 1189 37.0 80.2 .462 5.9 16.0 .367 19.5 26.4 .740 12.6 41.3 22.7 8.0 5.1 15.8 23.0 99.5
1994-95 NBA 1107 38.0 81.5 .466 5.5 15.3 .359 19.9 27.1 .737 13.0 41.6 23.4 8.3 5.2 15.9 23.5 101.4
1993-94 NBA 1107 39.3 84.4 .466 3.3 9.9 .333 19.6 26.6 .734 13.9 43.0 24.4 8.9 5.2 16.0 22.2 101.5
1992-93 NBA 1107 40.7 86.0 .473 3.0 9.0 .336 20.9 27.7 .754 13.8 43.1 24.7 8.6 5.2 15.9 23.2 105.3
1991-92 NBA 1107 41.3 87.3 .472 2.5 7.6 .331 20.2 26.7 .759 14.4 43.7 24.5 8.6 5.5 15.6 22.2 105.3
1990-91 NBA 1107 41.4 87.2 .474 2.3 7.1 .320 21.3 27.9 .765 14.0 43.3 24.7 8.6 5.3 16.0 23.2 106.3
1989-90 NBA 1107 41.5 87.2 .476 2.2 6.6 .331 21.8 28.5 .764 13.8 43.1 24.9 8.5 5.1 16.1 23.3 107.0
1988-89 NBA 1025 42.5 89.0 .477 2.1 6.6 .323 22.1 28.8 .768 14.5 43.9 25.6 9.1 5.3 17.2 23.7 109.2
1987-88 NBA 943 42.1 87.7 .480 1.6 5.0 .316 22.3 29.1 .766 14.2 43.4 25.8 8.5 5.4 16.7 24.1 108.2
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1986-87 NBA 943 42.6 88.8 .480 1.4 4.7 .301 23.2 30.5 .763 14.7 44.0 26.0 8.6 5.5 17.0 24.5 109.9
1985-86 NBA 943 43.2 88.6 .487 0.9 3.3 .282 22.9 30.3 .756 14.1 43.6 26.0 8.8 5.3 17.8 25.2 110.2
1984-85 NBA 943 43.8 89.1 .491 0.9 3.1 .282 22.4 29.4 .764 14.3 43.5 26.3 8.5 5.3 17.9 24.9 110.8
1983-84 NBA 943 43.5 88.4 .492 0.6 2.4 .250 22.6 29.7 .760 14.2 43.0 26.2 8.5 5.3 17.9 25.8 110.1
1982-83 NBA 943 43.5 89.7 .485 0.5 2.3 .238 20.9 28.3 .740 14.8 44.5 25.9 8.9 5.6 19.1 25.6 108.5
1981-82 NBA 943 43.3 88.2 .491 0.6 2.3 .262 21.3 28.6 .746 14.3 43.5 25.2 8.5 5.4 17.7 26.2 108.6
1980-81 NBA 943 43.0 88.4 .486 0.5 2.0 .245 21.7 28.9 .751 14.5 43.5 25.5 9.0 5.3 18.7 25.1 108.1
1979-80 NBA 902 43.6 90.6 .481 0.8 2.8 .280 21.3 27.8 .764 15.1 44.9 25.8 9.4 5.3 18.9 24.4 109.3
1978-79 NBA 902 44.5 91.7 .485 21.3 28.3 .752 14.8 45.2 25.8 9.1 5.4 19.8 25.3 110.3
1977-78 NBA 902 43.6 92.9 .469 21.4 28.4 .752 15.0 47.1 25.0 9.6 5.1 20.1 25.2 108.5
1976-77 NBA 902 42.8 92.0 .465 20.8 27.7 .751 15.0 47.1 23.9 9.4 5.1 20.6 25.2 106.5
1975-76 NBA 738 42.1 91.7 .458 20.2 26.9 .751 14.4 47.4 23.0 8.9 4.4 19.8 24.8 104.3
ABA 307 44.9 96.4 .466 1.1 3.9 .295 21.6 28.0 .771 17.3 50.2 24.2 9.9 5.9 19.4 25.2 112.5
1974-75 NBA 738 41.7 91.1 .457 19.3 25.2 .765 14.2 47.1 23.8 8.8 4.3 19.8 24.3 102.6
ABA 420 44.2 93.5 .473 1.1 3.7 .293 19.3 25.1 .767 16.3 47.9 24.0 9.1 4.9 18.4 23.4 108.8
1973-74 NBA 697 43.1 93.9 .459 19.6 25.4 .771 14.7 48.2 24.6 8.7 4.7 20.8 23.8 105.7
ABA 420 42.9 93.3 .460 1.2 4.2 .283 19.3 25.4 .760 16.3 48.5 22.9 8.5 4.8 17.9 23.9 106.4
1972-73 NBA 697 44.2 96.9 .456 19.2 25.3 .758 50.6 25.2 22.8 107.6
ABA 420 43.0 91.4 .470 1.1 3.8 .289 24.6 32.9 .746 16.7 48.9 23.6 19.1 26.1 111.6
1971-72 NBA 697 43.4 95.5 .455 23.3 31.2 .748 51.1 24.1 23.6 110.2
ABA 462 43.9 95.3 .461 1.6 5.3 .297 24.1 31.8 .759 18.0 52.4 21.5 18.2 25.5 113.5
1970-71 NBA 697 44.0 98.0 .449 24.3 32.7 .745 53.1 24.3 24.4 112.4
ABA 462 45.5 100.1 .455 1.8 6.1 .299 24.6 32.7 .751 54.4 22.3 19.0 25.6 117.5
1969-70 NBA 574 45.7 99.4 .460 25.3 33.7 .751 52.9 24.7 25.1 116.7
ABA 462 43.1 96.8 .445 1.8 6.3 .291 25.1 33.7 .744 54.1 20.2 19.5 26.5 113.0
1968-69 NBA 574 43.7 99.0 .441 25.0 35.0 .714 56.9 23.1 25.5 112.3
ABA 429 42.6 97.6 .436 1.8 5.9 .299 27.9 38.2 .730 54.4 18.3 19.0 27.1 114.8
1967-68 NBA 492 45.0 100.8 .446 26.7 37.1 .720 66.2 22.8 26.3 116.6
ABA 429 40.7 96.9 .420 1.4 5.0 .285 26.1 36.3 .717 54.7 15.3 17.2 24.9 109.0
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1966-67 NBA 405 45.5 103.1 .441 26.5 36.2 .732 67.3 22.4 26.2 117.4
1965-66 NBA 360 44.3 102.4 .433 26.9 37.0 .727 68.2 22.9 26.2 115.5
1964-65 NBA 360 42.5 99.8 .426 25.6 35.6 .721 67.3 21.0 25.9 110.6
1963-64 NBA 360 42.9 99.1 .433 25.3 35.0 .722 65.9 21.4 26.8 111.0
1962-63 NBA 360 44.6 101.2 .441 26.1 35.9 .727 66.7 22.7 26.0 115.3
1961-62 NBA 360 45.9 107.7 .426 27.0 37.1 .727 71.4 23.9 25.9 118.8
1960-61 NBA 316 45.4 109.4 .415 27.4 37.4 .733 73.3 24.2 26.8 118.1
1959-60 NBA 300 44.5 108.7 .410 26.3 35.8 .735 73.5 22.6 25.6 115.3
1958-59 NBA 288 40.4 102.3 .395 27.4 36.3 .756 70.0 19.6 26.0 108.2
1957-58 NBA 288 39.0 101.9 .383 28.6 38.3 .746 71.7 19.6 25.5 106.6
1956-57 NBA 288 35.9 94.6 .380 27.7 36.9 .751 62.4 18.9 25.1 99.6
1955-56 NBA 288 35.3 91.4 .387 28.4 38.0 .745 60.1 24.3 26.4 99.0
1954-55 NBA 288 33.3 86.4 .385 26.5 35.9 .738 56.1 23.6 24.8 93.1
1953-54 NBA 324 28.1 75.4 .372 23.4 33.0 .709 50.9 20.3 25.4 79.5
1952-53 NBA 351 28.5 77.1 .370 25.7 35.9 .716 51.5 21.0 28.8 82.7
1951-52 NBA 330 29.6 80.8 .367 24.4 33.2 .735 54.5 21.9 26.9 83.7
1950-51 NBA 354 29.8 83.6 .357 24.5 33.4 .732 49.0 21.0 27.0 84.1
1949-50 NBA 561 28.2 83.1 .340 23.6 33.0 .714 19.6 27.0 80.0
1948-49 BAA 360 29.0 88.7 .327 22.0 31.3 .703 18.6 25.6 80.0
1947-48 BAA 192 27.2 96.0 .284 18.2 27.0 .675 7.0 22.2 72.7
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
Season Lg G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+
1946-47 BAA 331 25.9 92.9 .279 15.9 24.8 .641 6.9 20.8 67.8
+-----------+----+----+-----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+-----+







1979-80-1988-89 (80s) - 88.9 FGA, 109.3 Points
1989-90-1998-99 (90s) - 83.1 FGA, 101.0 Points
1999-00-2006-07 (00s) - 80.5 FGA, 96.2 Points

[juju151111]

so people are admitting that 3s drop your fg% wow

did you just look at fg%, look at the FGA and points
Even if it does wat does that have to do with anything? Lack of a 3 pt shot didn't stop Wade from destroying the piston in 06 and 05. Lj shooting more 3s was still capable of avging 48+%. Wade started taking more 3s in 09 and kept his FG% high. MJ did it in 90, but decided to stop because the 3 point shot becomes addicting and would make him use his main weapon(driving) less. This is the reason they started questioning his shot in 92 finals. We already know wat happened their. I know you want badly for Kobe to look good but he just not has good has mike. Fatal eventually gave up when Kobe failed on 08 and then shot bad in 09 finals. He started admitting.

[juju151111]

It's common knowledge that shooting a lot of threes drops your 3pt%. I've never been one to argue that, so I'm not sure why you're acting surprised.

And yes, I know the pace is slower now. I have made posts about it in the past, I'm not one of those guys who just says random shit. . .I actually look stuff up before I post. Even if you don't like what stats I happen to use, they are always accurate since I look them up before posting.

Anyway, back to pace. The rules are different now. It's easier to get into the paint in halfcourt sets, so there's no need to rush shots like there was before. Hence, the slower pace. Talent is pretty diluted now, so only the upper echelon teams still produce those gaudy 110+ offensive ratings. Not as many teams are as offensively talented though, so overal offensive rating is a bit down from what it was before Jordan retired (speaking of which, note the dropoffs in offense each time Jordan retired. Especially the 2nd time he retired. Interesting, imo).

Again though, FG% dropped, but eFG% and TS% really didn't. Defenses aren't magically way better now, scoring efficiency is similar to what it's always been. Defense did certainly increase for a few years before 2004 though. Spurs and Pistons had some crazy defensive teams.




Duncan hasn't done any worse than Ibaka/Perkins has in game 1. So you can eat shit, little bitch. Duncan can't defend both at once either. You need to stop talking shit, or you're going to be the one that curses the Bulls. I'd rather not see the Bulls lose, to stfu and quit being a ******* troll.
They got raped, don'be mad. Lmfao Zbo took his lunch money.

[Colby Brian]

Even if it does wat does that have to do with anything? Lack of a 3 pt shot didn't stop Wade from destroying the piston in 06 and 05. Lj shooting more 3s was still capable of avging 48+%. Wade started taking more 3s in 09 and kept his FG% high. MJ did it in 90, but decided to stop because the 3 point shot becomes addicting and would make him use his main weapon(driving) less. This is the reason they started questioning his shot in 92 finals. We already know wat happened their. I know you want badly for Kobe to look good but he just not has good has mike. Fatal eventually gave up when Kobe failed on 08 and then shot bad in 09 finals. He started admitting.

lol you already know that i think mj>kobe, so why bring that up?
and im not trying to make kobe look better either, just pointing out facts about the jordan era

[SinJackal]

They got raped, don'be mad. Lmfao Zbo took his lunch money.

Don't cry when the Bulls lose in the ECF.

[juju151111]

Don't cry when the Bulls lose in the ECF.
I will be happy to make it to the ECF. Finals is a plus. I don't overrate my team like u. But but Duncan will go off in the playoffs:facepalm

[juju151111]

lol you already know that i think mj>kobe, so why bring that up?
and im not trying to make kobe look better either, just pointing out facts about the jordan era
You only think because of MJ awards he is better. I am telling he was the better player. Also why did you just ignore my post again? Lj/wade increased their 3 point output while keeping a high % Why is that? You want to know why? They are better at attacking the rim, take higher % shots,faster, finish betterat the rim. Kobe just chucks contested shots. Let me ask you a simple question. Is Dwayne aware better then MJ.

[Colby Brian]

You only think because of MJ awards he is better. I am telling he was the better player. Also why did you just ignore my post again? Lj/wade increased their 3 point output while keeping a high % Why is that? You want to know why? They are better at attacking the rim, take higher % shots,faster, finish betterat the rim. Kobe just chucks contested shots. Let me ask you a simple question. Is Dwayne aware better then MJ.

lol no

mj is the best because he was a better overall player, and has the rings to show for it

simple question, do u think wade is better than kobe?

[juju151111]

lol no

mj is the best because he was a better overall player, and has the rings to show for it

simple question, do u think wade is better than kobe?
Wade has been better then Kobe since last year Imo. If you think MJ was a better overall player, this thread makes no damn sense. First you claimed MJ only has a high % because of his era, but a 38 year old avged 45% with bad knees and slow has a ****. Before the injury in 02 he was avging 25ppg on 46% at the all-star break. You can't be serious. You have a weak era guy at 38 years old doing that against so called better era people. How is that possible unless you think 38 year old Jordan>>26 year old MJ.

[Colby Brian]

Wade has been better then Kobe since last year Imo. If you think MJ was a better overall player, this thread makes no damn sense. First you claimed MJ only has a high % because of his era, but a 38 year old avged 45% with bad knees and slow has a ****. Before the injury in 02 he was avging 25ppg on 46% at the all-star break. You can't be serious. You have a weak era guy at 38 years old doing that against so called better era people. How is that possible unless you think 38 year old Jordan>>26 year old MJ.

02 - 22.9 ppg (22.1 FGA), 41.6%
03- 20 ppg, 44.5%

[juju151111]

02 - 22.9 ppg (22.1 FGA), 41.6%
03- 20 ppg, 44.5%
He shot 45% and Kobe in 03 45% lmfao come on Kobe it better then that. Took MJ getting injured for the wizards not making the playoffs. Surgery ridden knees at 40 can get 45%. If I was a new era guy I would of held him to 36% to prove a point. Instead a 38 year old man is having games against the defending champion Lakers:wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4 new era guys should stop a 80s player from even scoring 10 let alone 25 on 9-14 This guy can barley freaking move. He just playing on jumpers and post moves(hold up Wats a weak era guy doing posting up Rick fox and Kobe?) :lol

[Colby Brian]

He shot 45% and Kobe in 03 45% lmfao come on Kobe it better then that. Took MJ getting injured for the wizards not making the playoffs. Surgery ridden knees at 40 can get 45%. If I was a new era guy I would of held him to 36% to prove a point. Instead a 38 year old man is having games against the defending champion Lakers:wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4 new era guys should stop a 80s player from even scoring 10 let alone 25 on 9-14 This guy can barley freaking move. He just playing on jumpers and post moves(hold up Wats a weak era guy doing posting up Rick fox and Kobe?) :lol

lol thats jordans % when he becomes a perimeter player

and i never said it was a weak era :facepalm
it was a faster pace era, cant u read?

[juju151111]

lol thats jordans % when he becomes a perimeter player

and i never said it was a weak era :facepalm
it was a faster pace era, cant u read?
I was being sarcastic about the weak era thing. I head it so much I joke about it. What does the faster era have to do with it? Look at FgA and the % he made the shot. MJ shot 52% when he started taking 3 tres a game. Wade and LJ keep a high %.

[Colby Brian]

I was being sarcastic about the weak era thing. I head it so much I joke about it. What does the faster era have to do with it? Look at FgA and the % he made the shot. MJ shot 52% when he started taking 3 tres a game. Wade and LJ keep a high %.

Kobes 2PT% = 48.3

but anyways, do u watch kobe play? he takes perimeter jumpshots, kinda like MJ in his 2nd 3peat days, but even more

[juju151111]

Kobes 2PT% = 48.3

but anyways, do u watch kobe play? he takes perimeter jumpshots, kinda like MJ in his 2nd 3peat days, but even more
Kobe still shot 45%. Lol at do I watch Kobe play. Other then the bulls, I watch the Lakers games.

[Colby Brian]

Kobe still shot 45%. Lol at do I watch Kobe play. Other then the bulls, I watch the Lakers games.

whats wrong with 45% for a perimeter player, if jordan took the shots kobe took he will be around 45% too

[juju151111]

whats wrong with 45% for a perimeter player, if jordan took the shots kobe took he will be around 45% too
Why would MJ take those shots when he faster and smarter?

[Colby Brian]

Why would MJ take those shots when he faster and smarter?

cause he couldnt make those shots at kobes %, but yeah michael could get to the rim alot

[juju151111]

cause he couldnt make those shots at kobes %, but yeah michael could get to the rim alot
Lmao you mad? Why wouldn't Mj make those shots. Watch this video MJ body control in the air tell me wat u think about this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGLaKfEyRL4

[Colby Brian]

Lmao you mad? Why wouldn't Mj make those shots. Watch this video MJ body control in the air tell me wat u think about this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGLaKfEyRL4

kobes a better perimeter shooter than mike brah

and mikes fg% wouldnt be 50 if he took 4185 3Pointers

[juju151111]

kobes a better perimeter shooter than mike brah

and mikes fg% wouldnt be 50 if he took 4185 3Pointers
Why wouldn't it be? Lj James goes for 48%+ WHILE TAKING LOTS OF 3S.

[Colby Brian]

Why wouldn't it be? Lj James goes for 48%+ WHILE TAKING LOTS OF 3S.

1. not as much 3s as kobe
2. kobes a perimeter player, he takes more long jumpshots than lebron and mj
3. i tought u said u watched laker games, dont you know basketball or played it before?

[juju151111]

1. not as much 3s as kobe
2. kobes a perimeter player, he takes more long jumpshots than lebron and mj
3. i tought u said u watched laker games, dont you know basketball or played it before?
LJ in 2010 took 387 3s and Kobe 301 and Lj shot 50%.:facepalm

[Colby Brian]

LJ in 2010 took 387 3s and Kobe 301 and Lj shot 50%.:facepalm

read number 2, i guess u dont watch laker games and miami games

[tpols]

Why wouldn't it be? Lj James goes for 48%+ WHILE TAKING LOTS OF 3S.
Lebron actually has a higher 2point percentage than jordan did so lebron is actually more efficient inside the arc than jordan was. :confusedshrug:

[Colby Brian]

Lebron actually has a higher 2point percentage than jordan did so lebron is actually more efficient inside the arc than jordan was. :confusedshrug:

2PT%

Lebron - 51.7
MJ - 51.0
kobe - 48.3

[Hondo]

First season of the BAA..... 28% FG....... I would ask for my ticket to be refunded. You would have to be an extreme basketball purist to enjoy that.

[necya]

damn, you are stupid as hell.
you have been "owned" or teached like 100 times the past month but you don't have understood...:facepalm you have a reel problem, you understand nothing about basketball.

please stop.

[Hittin_Shots]

1. not as much 3s as kobe
2. kobes a perimeter player, he takes more long jumpshots than lebron and mj
3. i tought u said u watched laker games, dont you know basketball or played it before?

Why are you still posting, ur just repetitively being proved wrong yet say the same thing u just got proved wrong about, then u give ur opinion as fact on who shoots better because Kobe hit stupid shots while jordans hits better shots due to being better. You said Kobe isnt in a harder defence era so why does he need to take worse shot selection than MJ? Quite simple he isn't as good at gettin better shots and therefore is not as good a shooter...

[juju151111]

Lebron actually has a higher 2point percentage than jordan did so lebron is actually more efficient inside the arc than jordan was. :confusedshrug:
Who cares if LJ is a little bit more effient. That has noting to do with wat we were discussing. MJ took 245 3s in 90 and still shot 52%. Lj does it and still shot 50%. I do watch lakers gms:facepalm colby tries to justify Kobe % because of 3s but got owned

[Calabis]

lol thats jordans % when he becomes a perimeter player

and i never said it was a weak era :facepalm
it was a faster pace era, cant u read?

Jordan becoming a perimeter player???:wtf: Last time I checked, he was his entire career...the only difference is, he was old, severe loss of athleticism on two bum knees, yet he still lit up these so called uber swingmen from time to time.

Also you faster pace theory is reference to team scoring.....it has nothing to do with individual players shot attempts......it amazes me, that u can not google some of the players from that era and look for yourself..

Drexler 20+ FGA twice in his career
Bird 23-31 yoa, 20+ FGA three times

I believe this just proves more team oriented basketball back in the 80's and early 90's

Perspective Kobe got 20+ 3 times with Shaq from 01-03:eek:

Hell look at highest FGA in a game (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_game.html)

Don't see Kobe/Iverson being affected by this slower pace:oldlol:

Its simple dude, pace has nothing to do with individual players FGA...Kobe has proven this by shooting 27 FGA in 05-06. Iverson proved it by avg 23.1 FGA during his career with the 76ers, which I believed happened in this era.:basketball

But yeah u'r right I guess, Jordan couldn't avg 22 FGA in this era, because of pace:violin:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Some idiots are still talking about 3FGA and how that has depressed Kobe's FG%, as if taking fewer 3's would make him as efficient as Jordan? No. :oldlol: Here's some actual data on each of their 2-point FG%/2-point ppg from age 21-30 (the bulk of a player's effective career):


MJ's 2FG%, age 21-30: 53.2% (+4.2% above league average)
KB's 2FG%, age 21-30: 48.3% (+1.1% above league average)

MJ's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 32.1 ppg (+5.2 ppg above Kobe)
KB's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 26.9 ppg


As you can see, there's a significant difference there both in terms of ppg volume as well as raw FG% and also how well each fared as compared to their peers on 2-point FG's.

And here's strictly primes (age 26-30 for each):

Kobe '06-'09 2FG%: 49.1% (league average: 48.3%; Kobe's 2FG% above league average: .8% ; Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average: 1.2% in 2007)

Jordan's '90-'93 2FG%: 53.7% (league average: 48.8%; Jordan's 2FG% above league average: 4.9% ; Jordan's peak 2FG% above league average: 6.3% in 1991)

And here is MJ's year-by-year 2FG%:

1988: 54.6% (+5.6% above league average)
1989: 55.3% (+6.3%)
1990: 54.8% (+6.0%)
1991: 55.1% (+6.3%)
1992: 53.3% (+4.7%)
1993: 51.4% (+2.5%)
1996: 50.6% (+2.1%)

Keep in mind that Kobe has never shot more than 2.1% above league average on 2-point FGA's, and even that was on significantly lower ppg volume (~24 ppg versus 30+ ppg), and also came while playing alongside Shaq to ease defensive pressure. As noted earlier, Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average during his prime ('06-'09) was just 1.2%. So please cut the bullshit in suggesting that they are or would be similarly efficient if they took the same number of threes - that is demonstrably false. Not only is Kobe not nearly as efficient as MJ if we exclude 3's (even relative to league averages), but he'd also then have to make up a 4-6 ppg gap somehow. Get real, folks.

[Calabis]

Some idiots are still talking about 3FGA and how that has depressed Kobe's FG%, as if taking fewer 3's would make him as efficient as Jordan? No. :oldlol: Here's some actual data on each of their 2-point FG%/2-point ppg from age 21-30 (the bulk of a player's effective career):


MJ's 2FG%, age 21-30: 53.2% (+4.2% above league average)
KB's 2FG%, age 21-30: 48.3% (+1.1% above league average)

MJ's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 32.1 ppg (+5.2 ppg above Kobe)
KB's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 26.9 ppg


As you can see, there's a significant difference there both in terms of ppg volume as well as raw FG% and also how well each fared as compared to their peers on 2-point FG's.

And here's strictly primes (age 26-30 for each):

Kobe '06-'09 2FG%: 49.1% (league average: 48.3%; Kobe's 2FG% above league average: .8% ; Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average: 1.2% in 2007)

Jordan's '90-'93 2FG%: 53.7% (league average: 48.8%; Jordan's 2FG% above league average: 4.9% ; Jordan's peak 2FG% above league average: 6.3% in 1991)

And here is MJ's year-by-year 2FG%:

1988: 54.6% (+5.6% above league average)
1989: 55.3% (+6.3%)
1990: 54.8% (+6.0%)
1991: 55.1% (+6.3%)
1992: 53.3% (+4.7%)
1993: 51.4% (+2.5%)
1996: 50.6% (+2.1%)

Keep in mind that Kobe has never shot more than 2.1% above league average on 2-point FGA's, and even that was on significantly lower ppg volume (~24 ppg versus 30+ ppg), and also came while playing alongside Shaq to ease defensive pressure. As noted earlier, Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average during his prime ('06-'09) was just 1.2%. So please cut the bullshit in suggesting that they are or would be similarly efficient if they took the same number of threes - that is demonstrably false. Not only is Kobe not nearly as efficient as MJ if we exclude 3's (even relative to league averages), but he'd also then have to make up a 4-6 ppg gap somehow. Get real, folks.

Kobestans getting owned

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[catch24]

OSB post = /thread

[Calabis]

OSB post = /threadhttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd45/pandu_sw2107/closed-thread-prohibition.jpg

[OldSchoolBBall]

Some idiots are still talking about 3FGA and how that has depressed Kobe's FG%, as if taking fewer 3's would make him as efficient as Jordan? No. :oldlol: Here's some actual data on each of their 2-point FG%/2-point ppg from age 21-30 (the bulk of a player's effective career):


MJ's 2FG%, age 21-30: 53.2% (+4.2% above league average)
KB's 2FG%, age 21-30: 48.3% (+1.1% above league average)

MJ's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 32.1 ppg (+5.2 ppg above Kobe)
KB's 2FG PPG, age 21-30: 26.9 ppg


As you can see, there's a significant difference there both in terms of ppg volume as well as raw FG% and also how well each fared as compared to their peers on 2-point FG's.

And here's strictly primes (age 26-30 for each):

Kobe '06-'09 2FG%: 49.1% (league average: 48.3%; Kobe's 2FG% above league average: .8% ; Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average: 1.2% in 2007)

Jordan's '90-'93 2FG%: 53.7% (league average: 48.8%; Jordan's 2FG% above league average: 4.9% ; Jordan's peak 2FG% above league average: 6.3% in 1991)

And here is MJ's year-by-year 2FG%:

1988: 54.6% (+5.6% above league average)
1989: 55.3% (+6.3%)
1990: 54.8% (+6.0%)
1991: 55.1% (+6.3%)
1992: 53.3% (+4.7%)
1993: 51.4% (+2.5%)
1996: 50.6% (+2.1%)

Keep in mind that Kobe has never shot more than 2.1% above league average on 2-point FGA's, and even that was on significantly lower ppg volume (~24 ppg versus 30+ ppg), and also came while playing alongside Shaq to ease defensive pressure. As noted earlier, Kobe's peak 2FG% above league average during his prime ('06-'09) was just 1.2%. So please cut the bullshit in suggesting that they are or would be similarly efficient if they took the same number of threes - that is demonstrably false. Not only is Kobe not nearly as efficient as MJ if we exclude 3's (even relative to league averages), but he'd also then have to make up a 4-6 ppg gap somehow. Get real, folks.

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[Timofey Mozgov]

I'm not reading this whole thread, but I'm sure people will conveniently ignore that in the 80s-90s, scoring was dominated by big men who will obviously play closer to the rim and score at higher percentages. How many big guys today average 20ppg? Howard and.........who else?

[Hittin_Shots]

I'm not reading this whole thread, but I'm sure people will conveniently ignore that in the 80s-90s, scoring was dominated by big men who will obviously play closer to the rim and score at higher percentages. How many big guys today average 20ppg? Howard and.........who else?

Actually this thread was made by a retard saying that Kobe's better than jordan and somehow this proves it. Afterwards he was repetitively raped in every way possible. Was hard to watch.

[Colby Brian]

Actually this thread was made by a retard saying that Kobe's better than jordan and somehow this proves it. Afterwards he was repetitively raped in every way possible. Was hard to watch.

i never said kobe was better idiot :facepalm

the pace was faster thats all, and thats a fact

[OldSchoolBBall]

i never said kobe was better idiot :facepalm

the pace was faster thats all, and thats a fact

Kobe's Lakers' pace, 2006-2011:

90.9
93.5
95.6
94.3
92.8
90.7

Average - 93.0

Jordan's Bulls' pace, 1991-'93 and 1996-'98:

95.6
94.4
92.5
91.1
90.0
89.0

Average - 92.1

You were saying? :confusedshrug:

And at any rate, pace doesn't affect individual production except in extreme cases (i.e., 105+ pace teams such as the early-mid 80's Nuggets/Lakers or 1960's teams), and really only rebounding is affected by normal variations in pace (+/- 10 poss/gm), not scoring - superstars will always get their 20-23 shots whether the pace is 90 or 97. You can look at individual players' numbers in different seasons where their team's pace varies for evidence of this (e.g., they will often score more in slower paced years, while if what you're asserting were true, it should ALWAYS be the contrary).

[Hittin_Shots]

Kobe's Lakers' pace, 2006-2011:

90.9
93.5
95.6
94.3
92.8
90.7

Average - 93.0

Jordan's Bulls' pace, 1991-'93 and 1996-'98:

95.6
94.4
92.5
91.1
90.0
89.0

Average - 92.1

You were saying? :confusedshrug:

He just won't stop it, i don't know why... masochist?

[BEAST Griffin]

He's a human pinata.

[Dave3]

Kobe's Lakers' pace, 2006-2011:

90.9
93.5
95.6
94.3
92.8
90.7

Average - 93.0

Jordan's Bulls' pace, 1991-'93 and 1996-'98:

95.6
94.4
92.5
91.1
90.0
89.0

Average - 92.1

You were saying? :confusedshrug:

And at any rate, pace doesn't affect individual production except in extreme cases (i.e., 105+ pace teams such as the early-mid 80's Nuggets/Lakers or 1960's teams), and really only rebounding is affected by normal variations in pace (+/- 10 poss/gm), not scoring - superstars will always get their 20-23 shots whether the pace is 90 or 97. You can look at individual players' numbers in different seasons where their team's pace varies for evidence of this (e.g., they will often score more in slower paced years, while if what you're asserting was true, it should ALWAYS be the contrary).
:wtf: That's actually so weird. I never would've thought the current Lakers play at a higher pace than teams from the 90's.