Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[FinishHim!]

Yes the towers fell.

But it wasn't "Al Quada". There had to be inside elements of our gov't in order for 9/11 to happen.

Of course the attacks actually occur. What I'm saying is, you should be questioning who is actually doing the attacks and for what reason.
I think we all question that. But just because you can ask a question doesn't mean you have the answers. You seem to be one of those dudes who thinks he's einstein because he can ask a question.

[bagelred]

I think we all question that. But just because you can ask a question doesn't mean you have the answers. You seem to be one of those dudes who thinks he's einstein because he can ask a question.

It's the opposite actually. This is the typical reaction. That somehow I think I'm "better" or "smarter". It's nothing like that.

It's like this.....suppose I go to college and take Physics 101. Before that, I knew nothing of the properties of the world. And I was just amazed on how everything works.

I then come home and explain some of the properties of Physics to you. You would say "How do you know?", "What you are talking about is ridiculous?", "You think you're smarter"? I'd say, no I'm not smarter, I just took a Physics course and it all makes sense. It's well documented, sourced properly, it makes logical sense, etc. I can't TEACH it. I'm not an expert. What I'm saying is, why not take the Physics class yourself? You'd be amazed at what you'd learn. Decide for yourself if it makes sense.

There are tons of books on the subject, websites, videos, etc. You have to be willing to approach it all with an open mind. It takes time. Really. It's almost like the Matrix. You need to take the blue pill, and really give yourself time to sift through the stuff. But only if you really want to. It's not a "explain this to me in 5 minutes" type of thinking.

You are right. Me saying "9/11 is an inside job" really has no context. It's a college course. There's a lot of stuff out there. It's really a paradigm shift in thinking.

But whatever, I really don't have a goal of "converting" people. It's just frustrating when I read and watch the nonsense on TV, knowing the masses are being deceived.

[Cangri]

:facepalm @ these conspiracy theorists

[FinishHim!]

It's the opposite actually. This is the typical reaction. That somehow I think I'm "better" or "smarter". It's nothing like that.

It's like this.....suppose I go to college and take Physics 101. Before that, I knew nothing of the properties of the world. And I was just amazed on how everything works.

I then come home and explain some of the properties of Physics to you. You would say "How do you know?", "What you are talking about is ridiculous?", "You think you're smarter"? I'd say, no I'm not smarter, I just took a Physics course and it all makes sense. It's well documented, sourced properly, it makes logical sense, etc. I can't TEACH it. I'm not an expert. What I'm saying is, why not take the Physics class yourself? You'd be amazed at what you'd learn. Decide for yourself if it makes sense.

There are tons of books on the subject, websites, videos, etc. You have to be willing to approach it all with an open mind. It takes time. Really. It's almost like the Matrix. You need to take the blue pill, and really give yourself time to sift through the stuff. But only if you really want to. It's not a "explain this to me in 5 minutes" type of thinking.

You are right. Me saying "9/11 is an inside job" really has no context. It's a college course. There's a lot of stuff out there. It's really a paradigm shift in thinking.

But whatever, I really don't have a goal of "converting" people. It's just frustrating when I read and watch the nonsense on TV, knowing the masses are being deceived.
:oldlol: Well that essentially actually proves my point. That you feel that because you went on some websites that called 9/11 and the Osama killing fake/an inside job, that makes you an expert on the subject while those who read and watched contrary material are mere students. This isn't math or physics. This isn't something that can be proved or disproved with a formula or with scientific reason. There is no irrefutable proof one way or another. And therefore everyone is on the same playing field. We can all look at the various information and draw our own conclusions from it.

[bagelred]

This isn't something that can be proved or disproved with a formula or with scientific reason. There is no irrefutable proof one way or another.

:facepalm

I'll just leave it at that.

[FinishHim!]

:facepalm

I'll just leave it at that.
Me too professor bagelred. :facepalm

[The Next Jordan]

It's like this.....suppose I go to college and take Physics 101. Before that, I knew nothing of the properties of the world. And I was just amazed on how everything works.

I then come home and explain some of the properties of Physics to you. You would say "How do you know?", "What you are talking about is ridiculous?", "You think you're smarter"? I'd say, no I'm not smarter, I just took a Physics course and it all makes sense. It's well documented, sourced properly, it makes logical sense, etc. I can't TEACH it. I'm not an expert. What I'm saying is, why not take the Physics class yourself? You'd be amazed at what you'd learn. Decide for yourself if it makes sense.


:roll: Are you freaking serious?

[tontoz]

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[The Next Jordan]

I'm gonna go take the 9/11 course right after I take Osama 101.

[Is He Ill]

:facepalm No way, the government would never lie to us, they never have. They truly care about us, the man on the picture box tells me so. What a bunch of kooks, a bunch of anti-American fools. How dare you say there is even a possibility it was a false flag, there has never been any of those.

[KeylessEntry]

:oldlol: Well that essentially actually proves my point. That you feel that because you went on some websites that called 9/11 and the Osama killing fake/an inside job, that makes you an expert on the subject while those who read and watched contrary material are mere students. This isn't math or physics. This isn't something that can be proved or disproved with a formula or with scientific reason. There is no irrefutable proof one way or another. And therefore everyone is on the same playing field. We can all look at the various information and draw our own conclusions from it.

I dont know whether it is hilarious or sad that bagelred thinks he is an expert because he listens to Alex Jones and reads the abovetopsecret forums. When someone equates their knowledge of 9/11 conspiracies to knowledge of physics (ie-mathematical laws), they have gone full retard.

[RaininThrees]

:facepalm @ these conspiracy theorists

Conspiracy theories are an easy way to put order into a seemingly senseless situation.

Its much easier for a person to rationalize the idea that a large, multi-faceted highly intelligent organization put together an event like 9/11 than it is to fathom that a relatively simple organization (emphasize relatively) put together such a complex attack. It makes the event seem less random, and makes the person feel "more safe".

In short: its the easy way out, emotionally.

[C-Webb4]

I dont know whether it is hilarious or sad that bagelred thinks he is an expert because he listens to Alex Jones and reads the abovetopsecret forums. When someone equates their knowledge of 9/11 conspiracies to knowledge of physics (ie-mathematical laws), they have gone full retard.
:roll: So true.

[Stephen_H]

Vietnam War - Started on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin)

2nd Iraqi War - Started on a lie (WMD's)

Who knows how many other lies have been perpetrated against us.

For those of you who take the word of sociopathic habitual liars to be true- You deserve the enslavement being prepared for you!

Bow before your masters! :bowdown:

[Is He Ill]

Conspiracy theories are an easy way to put order into a seemingly senseless situation.

Its much easier for a person to rationalize the idea that a large, multi-faceted highly intelligent organization put together an event like 9/11 than it is to fathom that a relatively simple organization (emphasize relatively) put together such a complex attack. It makes the event seem less random, and makes the person feel "more safe".

In short: its the easy way out, emotionally.

That doesn't make anyone feel safe.

[IcanzIIravor]

Would you know if it was made up? Where are they located? Who's in charge? Where are they? Do you know? The gov't uses them as the Boogeyman.

Not saying there aren't some extremists out there who would want to bomb U.S.. Just saying there is no elaborate organization called Al Quada. It was made up by the gov't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk&feature=related

Here's an interesting BBC documentary...part of it.

So you think the Madrid, London, USS Cole and Embassy bombing in Nairobi where done by the US government too? Are the Taliban also a CIA creation?

[RaininThrees]

That doesn't make anyone feel safe.

I think you're missing the point.

Given that both scenarios are bad, what's scarier:

1) That a multi-trillion dollar operation could concoct a plan to kill thousands of its won citizens in what amounts to a surgical strike and cover it up completely?

2) A small group overseas hates people so much that they were able to devise a plan and execute it to near perfection without a multi-trillion dollar operation catching it?

#2 is a far more terrifying scenario, as it leads to more possible attacks seemingly at random.

[RaininThrees]

That doesn't make anyone feel safe.

Here, this is put much more eloquently than I have:

[QUOTE]One foaming-at-the-mouth talk-show host named Alex Jones claims that 9/11 was a conspiracy by the military-industrial complex and "global elites" to bring-on totalitarian world government. Huh?

Another group of brain-damaged people believe that the moon landings never happened and were faked by the government to dupe the public.

Glenn Beck, who has established himself as a full-fledged paranoid psycho-moron, said on his radio show that the Obama Administration is going to use the automobile alert system, OnStar, to spy on Americans and enforce martial law.

There are lots of conspiracy theories about secret societies like the Masons, Yale

[tontoz]

Vietnam War - Started on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin)

2nd Iraqi War - Started on a lie (WMD's)

Who knows how many other lies have been perpetrated against us.

For those of you who take the word of sociopathic habitual liars to be true- You deserve the enslavement being prepared for you!

Bow before your masters! :bowdown:



So lying = mass murder. Uhhh.... ok

[Stephen_H]

So lying = mass murder. Uhhh.... ok

The Vietnam War led to 50,000+ American deaths.

50,000 > 3,000

The 2nd Iraqi war led to 5000+ American deaths and an estimated 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths.

5000 > 3000

1,000,000 > 3000

Sorry, you were saying???

[BRabbiT]

[QUOTE]
CAIRO

[bagelred]

So you think the Madrid, London, USS Cole and Embassy bombing in Nairobi where done by the US government too?

I honestly don't know enough about them, but I did read up on London one, and yes there is plenty of suspicion that it was done by the gov't. But I don't know enough them.....but I certaintly wouldn't be surprised is some or all were done by the gov'ts.

[lilbeastnani]

I honestly don't know enough about them, but I did read up on London one, and yes there is plenty of suspicion that it was done by the gov't. But I don't know enough them.....but I certaintly wouldn't be surprised is some or all were done by the gov'ts.
and I wouldn't be surprised if you were dropped on your head as a child. :banana:

[niko]

I honestly don't know enough about them, but I did read up on London one, and yes there is plenty of suspicion that it was done by the gov't. But I don't know enough them.....but I certaintly wouldn't be surprised is some or all were done by the gov'ts.
:lol

[tontoz]

The Vietnam War led to 50,000+ American deaths.

50,000 > 3,000

The 2nd Iraqi war led to 5000+ American deaths and an estimated 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths.

5000 > 3000

1,000,000 > 3000

Sorry, you were saying???


Uhhh....first of all your math is a little off. Secondly declaring war on another country is a bit different than bombing your own civilians. I am not really seeing the connection.

Lying or witholding the entire truth from the public who elected you is one thing. Killing them is something else entirely.

[Is He Ill]

I think you're missing the point.

Given that both scenarios are bad, what's scarier:

1) That a multi-trillion dollar operation could concoct a plan to kill thousands of its won citizens in what amounts to a surgical strike and cover it up completely?

2) A small group overseas hates people so much that they were able to devise a plan and execute it to near perfection without a multi-trillion dollar operation catching it?

#2 is a far more terrifying scenario, as it leads to more possible attacks seemingly at random.

But honestly I guess I can be classified as a conspiracy theorist. I am neither spiritual or superstitious, not a bit. What's the difference? In my opinion if you are being screwed by the people that are supposed to represent and protect you, it's much more frightening. You lose your sense of trust when it comes to these individuals. A terrorist attack is not a random occurrence, it is just as planned as the other option, it wouldn't be any more frightening. You can easily say that if it were done by the government it could be classified as equally random.

With this particular conspiracy theory we are discussing, it would be like parents that are trusted by the kids hurting and deceiving their kids in comparison to some neighbor down the road doing it. What's more frightening?

[Stephen_H]

Uhhh....first of all your math is a little off. Secondly declaring war on another country is a bit different than bombing your own civilians. I am not really seeing the connection.

Lying or witholding the entire truth from the public who elected you is one thing. Killing them is something else entirely.

U.S. Media Ignores Estimate of 1 Million Iraqi Deaths
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/us-media-ignores-estimate_b_60396.html

I don't really understand the cognitive dissonance of you people.

Lying about something which leads to 50,000 deaths is worse than killing 3,000 people because 50,000 > 3,000.

What's so hard to understand?

1,455,590 > 3,000

Furthermore, there is no evidence a plane hit the Pentagon.

http://youtu.be/XIpmCNSQ6-A

[tontoz]

U.S. Media Ignores Estimate of 1 Million Iraqi Deaths
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/us-media-ignores-estimate_b_60396.html

I don't really understand the cognitive dissonance of you people.

Lying about something which leads to 50,000 deaths is worse than killing 3,000 people because 50,000 > 3,000.

What's so hard to understand?

1,455,590 > 3,000

Furthermore, there is no evidence a plane hit the Pentagon.

http://youtu.be/XIpmCNSQ6-A


Yes there was, plenty of it. You are just ignoring it. There were multiple pictures of wreckage from the plane and if you haven't seen it after 10 years then you haven't been paying attention.

My aunt was in the Pentagon at the time it was hit. I think she would know if a plane didn't hit it.

As for Iraqi death toll a lot of it has to do with Iraqis killing each other in what amounts to civil war. That is the reason the US is still there to prevent it from getting worse.

Do you really think the press underestimated the Iraqi death toll to protect the Bush Administration, which the liberally media openly despised? :facepalm

Most importantly that death count wasn't actually a count at all. They just did a survey of less than 2000 people and then made a guestimate based on the results.