My problem with the Mavericks

[Clippersfan86]

First off.. I'd have to see this is the first season where I'd have to say I'm rooting for the Lakers to go down. I'd be happy to see the Mavericks whoop them. Why? Because they decided to be lazy all season and not put in work and think they can flip a switch and cruise through the playoffs. I'm all about the team winning that deserves to win. The team that puts in hard work all season long.

Now my problem with the Mavs though has to do with not having any guts. I'm not talking about toughness because Chandler, Stevenson and Brewer added a lot of that. I'm talking about when someone on the other team cheap shots your man you get in his face.. shove him.. throw a punch whatever you have to do to make it clear you won't put up with that sh**. Ron Artest shoved Marion in the back into the Mavs bench.. and all the Mavs turned their heads like they wanted nothing to do with Ron. Then after Ron hits Barea in the face.. Marion and Terry who were right there didn't do a damn thing about it.

These guys shouldn't be afraid. How many NBA players in the last 20 years have gotten into a real fight and thrown a real punch? Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. If Ron was taking cheapshots on a team like Portland or Memphis.. who has a few guys who will throw down.. none of this shit would be happening. I've seen Aldridge, Andre Miller, Gerald Wallace, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and all those guys ***** slap, punch, tackle or w/e else other players.

Long story short.. it's really hard for me to respect a team that doesn't even stand up for itself. You don't want to be considered soft anymore? Start defending teammates. Stop getting punked when the game gets tough. I hope Dallas wins but this business of them letting other teams push them around annoys me.

[Goliath Uterus]

The only problem I have with the Mavericks is Mark Cuban. He's a ginorma douche

[Assassin]

DeShawn Stevenson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdluT_DOxw

[DMAVS41]

First off.. I'd have to see this is the first season where I'd have to say I'm rooting for the Lakers to go down. I'd be happy to see the Mavericks whoop them. Why? Because they decided to be lazy all season and not put in work and think they can flip a switch and cruise through the playoffs. I'm all about the team winning that deserves to win. The team that puts in hard work all season long.

Now my problem with the Mavs though has to do with not having any guts. I'm not talking about toughness because Chandler, Stevenson and Brewer added a lot of that. I'm talking about when someone on the other team cheap shots your man you get in his face.. shove him.. throw a punch whatever you have to do to make it clear you won't put up with that sh**. Ron Artest shoved Marion in the back into the Mavs bench.. and all the Mavs turned their heads like they wanted nothing to do with Ron. Then after Ron hits Barea in the face.. Marion and Terry who were right there didn't do a damn thing about it.

These guys shouldn't be afraid. How many NBA players in the last 20 years have gotten into a real fight and thrown a real punch? Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. If Ron was taking cheapshots on a team like Portland or Memphis.. who has a few guys who will throw down.. none of this shit would be happening. I've seen Aldridge, Andre Miller, Gerald Wallace, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and all those guys ***** slap, punch, tackle or w/e else other players.

Long story short.. it's really hard for me to respect a team that doesn't even stand up for itself. You don't want to be considered soft anymore? Start defending teammates. Stop getting punked when the game gets tough. I hope Dallas wins but this business of them letting other teams push them around annoys me.

The Mavs huddled up with 3 minutes left and all agreed to not react when somebody on the Lakers takes a cheap shot.

We knew it was coming and everyone agreed to not react no matter what.

Its called being smart.

[SinJackal]

Marion and Terry didn't get into a fight and didn't subsequently suspended for game 3. Not throwing punches or getting into a scuffle was a good thing.

It isn't like the NBA has fights in it like hockey. There's no reason to rush at guys who try to clothesline one of your bench players. Anyone who throws punches will get suspended. Not getting involved in fights on the court gives your team an advantage, not a disadvantage. . .

[branslowski]

Remember when David West smacked Dirt Nowitzki?...:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DMAVS41]

Remember when David West smacked Dirt Nowitzki?...:roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean gently touched his face?

Yea. It was really weird.

[Clippersfan86]

The Mavs huddled up with 3 minutes left and all agreed to not react when somebody on the Lakers takes a cheap shot.

We knew it was coming and everyone agreed to not react no matter what.

Its called being smart.

Okay... people didn't stop taking cheapshots at Blake Griffin this season till his teammates almost got into 2 brawls.. and Blake himself went after Tony Battie. It's a fact in sports that... if a team is bullying you.. and your team is considered soft the ONLY way to stop the dirty plays is to stand up for yourself. I understand on them agreeing on it.. but they need one of their scrubs to retaliate. Someone like Brian Cardinal to lowbridge someone or commit a hard flagrant. Marion is too important to get involved but someone who rarely plays needs to take it upon themselves like Brendan Haywood who's done it a few times before.

A 2 game suspension to a scrub player.. will pay huge dividends when teams stop cheap shotting your best players.

[Clippersfan86]

Marion and Terry didn't get into a fight and didn't subsequently suspended for game 3. Not throwing punches or getting into a scuffle was a good thing.

It isn't like the NBA has fights in it like hockey. There's no reason to rush at guys who try to clothesline one of your bench players. Anyone who throws punches will get suspended. Not getting involved in fights on the court gives your team an advantage, not a disadvantage. . .

Scrub player picking a fight in retaliation = sends message you won't be pushed around... while not losing much to the team. You guys can afford to lose Cardinal or Haywood for a couple games.

[SinJackal]

Scrub player picking a fight in retaliation = sends message you won't be pushed around... while not losing much to the team. You guys can afford to lose Cardinal or Haywood for a couple games.

I agree, but he was talking about Shawn Marion and Jason Terry. Those are vital Maverick players. And now look at game 3. Lakers have to play without Artest because he attacked someone. Mavs have their whole team (besides Butler who's been injured for months).

[DMAVS41]

Okay... people didn't stop taking cheapshots at Blake Griffin this season till his teammates almost got into 2 brawls.. and Blake himself went after Tony Battie. It's a fact in sports that... if a team is bullying you.. and your team is considered soft the ONLY way to stop the dirty plays is to stand up for yourself. I understand on them agreeing on it.. but they need one of their scrubs to retaliate. Someone like Brian Cardinal to lowbridge someone or commit a hard flagrant. Marion is too important to get involved but someone who rarely plays needs to take it upon themselves like Brendan Haywood who's done it a few times before.

A 2 game suspension to a scrub player.. will pay huge dividends when teams stop cheap shotting your best players.

Totally disagree.

Its just not who we are and we don't need to pretend to be this really tough team in those situations.

You don't prove your toughness by taking cheap shots or retaliating. Lakers have been fake tough this series so far.....especially Artest.

[DMAVS41]

I agree, but he was talking about Shawn Marion and Jason Terry. Those are vital Maverick players. And now look at game 3. Lakers have to play without Artest because he attacked someone. Mavs have their whole team (besides Butler who's been injured for months).

If only we had Butler healthy. I'd feel so much better. Not sure who beats the Mavs this year with a healthy butler.

[Clippersfan86]

I agree, but he was talking about Shawn Marion and Jason Terry. Those are vital Maverick players. And now look at game 3. Lakers have to play without Artest because he attacked someone. Mavs have their whole team (besides Butler who's been injured for months).

True.. I did mention those 2 guys standing right there. Though Terry hasn't done much for Dallas either lately. I mean... I just know I learned a long time ago not to put up with that shit. Even if I'm playing a pickup game if someone is trying to punk me or my teammates.. I'm going to put them in their place. I know the NBA has penalties like fines and suspensions.. but as I said.. the right player needs to not allow this to happen. Besides if no punch is thrown... there won't be a suspension. Marion could of gotten in Ron's face and told him to cut the bullshit. If Ron throws a punch even better for the Mavs because he's gone the rest of the playoffs.

[adri41]

It happened fast, and then it was over. Barea was fine. The technical had been called, Artest had been rejected. What were they supposed to do, follow him to the locker room and beat him up?

The retaliation was in the win. They didn't need to act like thugs or idiots.

[Clippersfan86]

Totally disagree.

Its just not who we are and we don't need to pretend to be this really tough team in those situations.

You don't prove your toughness by taking cheap shots or retaliating. Lakers have been fake tough this series so far.....especially Artest.

Not about proving something. It's about standing up for teammates. It has a huge impact trust me.. we saw it a lot this season on the Clippers. Blake getting hit in the face, clotheslined and tackled all season long. At first none of his teammates did anything.. and guess what happened? The dirty fouls and play continued. Then vs Portland.. Brian Cook put Pryzbilla on his ass.. and our teams got into a scuffle. Then a couple occasions after that Blake was cheapshotted and we had ejections to guys like Craig Smith for shoving people. It all stopped after that.

If you're arguing that standing up for teammates and getting in someone's face or retaliating won't pay dividends you're very wrong my friend. How many people have flagrantly fouled Kenyon Martin since he retaliated and took Karl Malone's head off? None that I can recall. You don't need to "act" tough.. you need to man up and defend yourself and teammates.

[SinJackal]

If only we had Butler healthy. I'd feel so much better. Not sure who beats the Mavs this year with a healthy butler.

Mavs with Butler are the best team in the NBA. I feared them WAY more the I did the Lakers until Butler went down. And the Mavs are shitting on the Lakers even without Butler. I don't see Memphis or OKC stopping the Mavs. I really don't. Mavs are way too good right now.



True.. I did mention those 2 guys standing right there. Though Terry hasn't done much for Dallas either lately. I mean... I just know I learned a long time ago not to put up with that shit. Even if I'm playing a pickup game if someone is trying to punk me or my teammates.. I'm going to put them in their place. I know the NBA has penalties like fines and suspensions.. but as I said.. the right player needs to not allow this to happen. Besides if no punch is thrown... there won't be a suspension. Marion could of gotten in Ron's face and told him to cut the bullshit. If Ron throws a punch even better for the Mavs because he's gone the rest of the playoffs.

Oh I know what you're saying completely man. Just remember they're professionals on live tv. . .and they definitely would've gotten suspended too if they got into that altercation. Let's say Marion and Terry both got into it, and then suspended. LA would be short Artest, but now Mavs don't have Marion OR Terry. . .and would be in a hole for game 3.

It's true that can be considered soft. . .but I think in this case it was a good thing. Mavs can't win if they lose any more key players.

[DMAVS41]

Not about proving something. It's about standing up for teammates. It has a huge impact trust me.. we saw it a lot this season on the Clippers. Blake getting hit in the face, clotheslined and tackled all season long. At first none of his teammates did anything.. and guess what happened? The dirty fouls and play continued. Then vs Portland.. Brian Cook put Pryzbilla on his ass.. and our teams got into a scuffle. Then a couple occasions after that Blake was cheapshotted and we had ejections to guys like Craig Smith for shoving people. It all stopped after that.

If you're arguing that standing up for teammates and getting in someone's face or retaliating won't pay dividends you're very wrong my friend. How many people have flagrantly fouled Kenyon Martin since he retaliated and took Karl Malone's head off? None that I can recall. You don't need to "act" tough.. you need to man up and defend yourself and teammates.

The team all agreed to not react to anything. And Artest's foul wasn't that bad at all.

Sorry. This is fake toughness from Artest. Its not genuine. The Mavs trust each other. Trust me. Thats one thing this Mavs team absolutely does not lack. Every player is trusted.

You don't need to react to something fake and something you know is coming. If that shot came in the middle of the game and it was worse? Yea, I'd like to see a reaction I guess.

But its all fake. Thats not true toughness. True toughness doesn't come from getting in the face of another player.

LOL

[Clippersfan86]

Mavs with Butler are the best team in the NBA. I feared them WAY more the I did the Lakers until Butler went down. And the Mavs are shitting on the Lakers even without Butler. I don't see Memphis or OKC stopping the Mavs. I really don't. Mavs are way too good right now.




Oh I know what you're saying completely man. Just remember they're professionals on live tv. . .and they definitely would've gotten suspended too if they got into that altercation. Let's say Marion and Terry both got into it, and then suspended. LA would be short Artest, but now Mavs don't have Marion OR Terry. . .and would be in a hole for game 3.

It's true that can be considered soft. . .but I think in this case it was a good thing. Mavs can't win if they lose any more key players.

I think they can afford to lose Haywood, Terry or Cardinal for a game or two. Honestly though if they don't throw a punch and just confront Artest.. they would have been ejected but NOT suspended if they didn't throw a punch. With 13 seconds left or w/e... who cares about an ejection? The disappointing thing is their coach Carlisle has more heart than all the players. I've seen Carlisle go after opposing players for dirty fouls a few times this season. Hell.. him and Baron Davis were going at it all game when we played lol. They say teams take on the identity of their coach but with the Mavs I haven't seen it.

[DMAVS41]

I think they can afford to lose Haywood, Terry or Cardinal for a game or two. Honestly though if they don't throw a punch and just confront Artest.. they would have been ejected but NOT suspended if they didn't throw a punch. With 13 seconds left or w/e... who cares about an ejection? The disappointing thing is their coach Carlisle has more heart than all the players. I've seen Carlisle go after opposing players for dirty fouls a few times this season. Hell.. him and Baron Davis were going at it all game when we played lol. They say teams take on the identity of their coach but with the Mavs I haven't seen it.

You don't take the chance.

What if they confront artest and he throws a punch. Then we have to react....then somebody leaves the bench...then we get baited in by a crazy and totally fake tough guy like artest.

its just bush league. its weak. the mavs are locked in to win....we don't give a shit about some scrub taking cheap shots.

just the truth.

[Clippersfan86]

The team all agreed to not react to anything. And Artest's foul wasn't that bad at all.

Sorry. This is fake toughness from Artest. Its not genuine. The Mavs trust each other. Trust me. Thats one thing this Mavs team absolutely does not lack. Every player is trusted.

You don't need to react to something fake and something you know is coming. If that shot came in the middle of the game and it was worse? Yea, I'd like to see a reaction I guess.

But its all fake. Thats not true toughness. True toughness doesn't come from getting in the face of another player.

LOL

I understand what you're saying. You can't make a team sudden badasses who pick fights. That isn't their identity. I just know that the Mavs always seem to take cheapshots.. and never do anything about it. I want them to toughen up a little bit. I guess at the end of the day it's about winning in the playoffs.. and cheapshots or not Dallas is up 2-0 with a chance to sweep on their home floor. Maybe Lakers players are resorting to this because they realized they can't play with Dallas right now?

[DMAVS41]

I think they can afford to lose Haywood, Terry or Cardinal for a game or two. Honestly though if they don't throw a punch and just confront Artest.. they would have been ejected but NOT suspended if they didn't throw a punch. With 13 seconds left or w/e... who cares about an ejection? The disappointing thing is their coach Carlisle has more heart than all the players. I've seen Carlisle go after opposing players for dirty fouls a few times this season. Hell.. him and Baron Davis were going at it all game when we played lol. They say teams take on the identity of their coach but with the Mavs I haven't seen it.

You are questioning our heart now? GTFO dude. You could not be more wrong.

I can't believe people buy into all this fake toughness BS. Hilarious.

It was Rick Carlisle that told all of our players to absolutely not react no matter what in the closing seconds.
:facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

You are questioning our heart now? GTFO dude. You could not be more wrong.

I can't believe people buy into all this fake toughness BS. Hilarious.

It was Rick Carlisle that told all of our players to absolutely not react no matter what in the closing seconds.
:facepalm

Nothing I've said was an insult.. just the honest blunt truth. Anyone who's not a fan of the Mavs agrees with and understands it. Why do you think the soft mantra has floated around the entire Dirk era? It's like if you told me the Clippers can't shoot outside for shit. Would I be offended? No, because it's true. I'm sorry I struck a nerve but this is absolutely valid. You call it fake tough.. or fake toughness.. but I don't understand what you mean by that. Dallas has improved their toughness in the sense that they have more size and got great defenders in Chandler and Brewer... but it doesn't mean that mentally or in the ways I'm talking about that they are tough.

If you don't agree they could stand to toughen up a bit.. and start being more physical.. then you don't want to win a championship. Soft teams don't win rings. They need to be willing to get down in the trenches and scrap.. throw elbows or whatever else they need to do if they want to go to the next level. Mind showing me the interview BTW where Carlisle told the players not to respond to dirty fouls to end the game? I never saw it.

[DMAVS41]

Nothing I've said was an insult.. just the honest blunt truth. Anyone who's not a fan of the Mavs agrees with and understands it. Why do you think the soft mantra has floated around the entire Dirk era? It's like if you told me the Clippers can't shoot outside for shit. Would I be offended? No, because it's true. I'm sorry I struck a nerve but this is absolutely valid. You call it fake tough.. or fake toughness.. but I don't understand what you mean by that. Dallas has improved their toughness in the sense that they have more size and got great defenders in Chandler and Brewer... but it doesn't mean that mentally or in the ways I'm talking about that they are tough.

If you don't agree they could stand to toughen up a bit.. and start being more physical.. then you don't want to win a championship. Soft teams don't win rings. They need to be willing to get down in the trenches and scrap.. throw elbows or whatever else they need to do if they want to go to the next level. Mind showing me the interview BTW where Carlisle told the players not to respond to dirty fouls to end the game? I never saw it.

Jason Kidd said so in the post game that Rick and the players all agreed to make sure to not react to anything.

And we are proving our toughness. On the court. Dirk is pushing Gasol around. Chandler is playing great interior defense....same with Haywood.

Kidd is roughing up Kobe.

Thats how you prove your toughness. Not with fake BS like you want. Real tough guys don't care about stuff like that. Just the truth.

[Tide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awm0LKdEgvg

This shows they have guts, and what happened last night showed they had brains.

[schism206]

Jason Kidd said so in the post game that Rick and the players all agreed to make sure to not react to anything.

And we are proving our toughness. On the court. Dirk is pushing Gasol around. Chandler is playing great interior defense....same with Haywood.

Kidd is roughing up Kobe.

Thats how you prove your toughness. Not with fake BS like you want. Real tough guys don't care about stuff like that. Just the truth.
well said.

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awm0LKdEgvg

This shows they have guts, and what happened last night showed they had brains.

Pushing a player in the back on a layup attempt shows guts :confusedshrug: ?

[Clippersfan86]

Jason Kidd said so in the post game that Rick and the players all agreed to make sure to not react to anything.

And we are proving our toughness. On the court. Dirk is pushing Gasol around. Chandler is playing great interior defense....same with Haywood.

Kidd is roughing up Kobe.

Thats how you prove your toughness. Not with fake BS like you want. Real tough guys don't care about stuff like that. Just the truth.

I already said that at the end of the day you're up 2-0.. with a chance to sweep at home and your team is letting their play do the talking. I was just pointing out that the last decade you guys take a bunch of cheapshots and rarely do anything about it. I know how important it is to feel like your teammates have your back. I honestly doubt the Mavericks players are confident that if need be.. their teammates would throw punches for them. I don't know if you're a newer fan of basketball but even in the 90's that's how it was done. There is no "fake toughness" when it comes to standing up for teammates and putting someone on their ass. That IS toughness.

[adri41]

I understand where you're coming from, and yes...if Artest was on top of JJ, wailing on him, fists flying, I would be disappointed if no one came to stand up for the guy. BUT...no one was hurt. It was over. There was no chance of escalation. I'm proud of the guys for letting it go, not disappointed that they didn't make an idiotic move by charging Artest and getting thrown out themselves.

[DMAVS41]

Pushing a player in the back on a layup attempt shows guts :confusedshrug: ?

Nope. The exact opposite. Terry would be a fake tough guy. Thats my point. Thats not tough. Its weak.

It was tough when Dirk went into the huddle and said to the team:

"if artest is guarding me....give me the ball and clear out. he can't guard me without fouling me."

Thats tough. Dallas radio reported that Dirk came into the huddle during a timeout and said that.

That is how you become a tough team and gain respect. Not by taking cheap shots or retaliating to cheap shots by a fake tough guy scrub like Artest.

[Clippersfan86]

I understand where you're coming from, and yes...if Artest was on top of JJ, wailing on him, fists flying, I would be disappointed if no one came to stand up for the guy. BUT...no one was hurt. It was over. There was no chance of escalation. I'm proud of the guys for letting it go, not disappointed that they didn't make an idiotic move by charging Artest and getting thrown out themselves.

Maybe I'm just old school lol. I love watching footage of Bulls vs Pistons etc. An Eye for an Eye. You hit my dude.. I'm going to put you on your ass. God I wish Basketball was still played that way! I feel like we've lost a lot of the heart and passion.

[rmt]

The only problem I have with the Mavericks is Mark Cuban. He's a ginorma douche

Don't like Terry either - can't respect some one who punches a former team mate in the ****

[DMAVS41]

I already said that at the end of the day you're up 2-0.. with a chance to sweep at home and your team is letting their play do the talking. I was just pointing out that the last decade you guys take a bunch of cheapshots and rarely do anything about it. I know how important it is to feel like your teammates have your back. I honestly doubt the Mavericks players are confident that if need be.. their teammates would throw punches for them. I don't know if you're a newer fan of basketball but even in the 90's that's how it was done. There is no "fake toughness" when it comes to standing up for teammates and putting someone on their ass. That IS toughness.


You can't do that anymore. Have you watched an NBA game since 05? Are you serious? You want one of our players to take a flagrant foul in a playoff game to prove how tough we are?

That would be the dumbest thing possible. You are risking suspension and giving the other team momentum and free points. We don't want to do that and you can't do that anymore.

Its bush league.

[Clippersfan86]

Nope. The exact opposite. Terry would be a fake tough guy. Thats my point. Thats not tough. Its weak.

It was tough when Dirk went into the huddle and said to the team:

"if artest is guarding me....give me the ball and clear out. he can't guard me without fouling me."

Thats tough. Dallas radio reported that Dirk came into the huddle during a timeout and said that.

That is how you become a tough team and gain respect. Not by taking cheap shots or retaliating to cheap shots by a fake tough guy scrub like Artest.

I guarantee you.. if you had a player like Artest or Barnes though who you knew would retaliate every time.. and fight if needed you'd probably not call it bush league or w/e. Same thing happened for Celtics fans. Once they got KG they loved him. Same when the Clippers had Cassell. I hated the damn guy on the Bucks and Wolves because he talked a lot of sh** and gave a lot of dirty fouls.. but once he was a Clipper he became my favorite ever.

I highly doubt you'd call them a fake tough guy. Teammates of KG, Artest, Barnes and guys like that LOVE knowing they have a guy who will put someone in their place. It's not bush league.. it's competitive sports :D

[DMAVS41]

Maybe I'm just old school lol. I love watching footage of Bulls vs Pistons etc. An Eye for an Eye. You hit my dude.. I'm going to put you on your ass. God I wish Basketball was still played that way! I feel like we've lost a lot of the heart and passion.

Same. But you can't do stuff like that anymore. You are looking at a flagrant only if you are lucky and potentially getting kicked out or a suspension at worst.

Its just not how the game is played anymore. You can't afford to do that.

And sorry, this Mavs team can't afford to lose Terry or Haywood for a game or two like you said.

That would kill us.

[Clippersfan86]

Same. But you can't do stuff like that anymore. You are looking at a flagrant only if you are lucky and potentially getting kicked out or a suspension at worst.

Its just not how the game is played anymore. You can't afford to do that.

And sorry, this Mavs team can't afford to lose Terry or Haywood for a game or two like you said.

That would kill us.

How about Cardinal? :cheers:. With as deep as the Mavs are.. you really don't think any of your players are expendable? Like to lose them for a game or 2.

[DMAVS41]

I guarantee you.. if you had a player like Artest or Barnes though who you knew would retaliate every time.. and fight if needed you'd probably not call it bush league or w/e. Same thing happened for Celtics fans. Once they got KG they loved him. Same when the Clippers had Cassell. I hated the damn guy on the Bucks and Wolves because he talked a lot of sh** and gave a lot of dirty fouls.. but once he was a Clipper he became my favorite ever.

I highly doubt you'd call them a fake tough guy. Teammates of KG, Artest, Barnes and guys like that LOVE knowing they have a guy who will put someone in their place. It's not bush league.. it's competitive sports :D

Chandler does all those things actually. Caron Butler did all those things. They just do it without taking cheap shots. You don't need it.

These guys are professional athletes and this Mavs team has arguably the best chemistry and trust in each other out of any team.

So your point holds no water at all. LOL at wanting someone to risk suspension to respond to a scrub taking a cheap shot in a blow out. LOL

[DMAVS41]

How about Cardinal? :cheers:. With as deep as the Mavs are.. you really don't think any of your players are expendable? Like to lose them for a game or 2.

To what end? We aren't getting out toughed this series. We are playing them very physical all over. We don't need to prove anything to ourselves. Thats all that matters.

We would be soft if we tried to be tough and retaliate. Much like Terry. He actually is soft. Guys like Kidd/Dirk/Chandler/Marion/Barea? They don't give a shit because they know they are tough and don't care about anything but winning.

[BarberSchool]

First off.. I'd have to see this is the first season where I'd have to say I'm rooting for the Lakers to go down. I'd be happy to see the Mavericks whoop them. Why? Because they decided to be lazy all season and not put in work and think they can flip a switch and cruise through the playoffs. I'm all about the team winning that deserves to win. The team that puts in hard work all season long.

Now my problem with the Mavs though has to do with not having any guts. I'm not talking about toughness because Chandler, Stevenson and Brewer added a lot of that. I'm talking about when someone on the other team cheap shots your man you get in his face.. shove him.. throw a punch whatever you have to do to make it clear you won't put up with that sh**. Ron Artest shoved Marion in the back into the Mavs bench.. and all the Mavs turned their heads like they wanted nothing to do with Ron. Then after Ron hits Barea in the face.. Marion and Terry who were right there didn't do a damn thing about it.

These guys shouldn't be afraid. How many NBA players in the last 20 years have gotten into a real fight and thrown a real punch? Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. If Ron was taking cheapshots on a team like Portland or Memphis.. who has a few guys who will throw down.. none of this shit would be happening. I've seen Aldridge, Andre Miller, Gerald Wallace, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and all those guys ***** slap, punch, tackle or w/e else other players.

Long story short.. it's really hard for me to respect a team that doesn't even stand up for itself. You don't want to be considered soft anymore? Start defending teammates. Stop getting punked when the game gets tough. I hope Dallas wins but this business of them letting other teams push them around annoys me.The entire premise of your post is unintelligent, incendiary, and laughable.

And what's more, I think that you don't truly believe it in your heart. I think you're just struggling to find any ground by which to criticize a team you dislike for another reason.

[Clippersfan86]

Chandler does all those things actually. Caron Butler did all those things. They just do it without taking cheap shots. You don't need it.

These guys are professional athletes and this Mavs team has arguably the best chemistry and trust in each other out of any team.

So your point holds no water at all. LOL at wanting someone to risk suspension to respond to a scrub taking a cheap shot in a blow out. LOL

I agree Caron Butler and Chandler are good with standing up for teammates. I will admit that for sure. I've seen both do it multiple times. I would like anyone to show me a suspension for getting in someone's face though. It's NEVER happened. Punches need to be thrown. In fact.. shoving matches have never resulted in suspensions either that I recall unless someone came off the bench. Like if 2 players shove each other.. it's a double T. No suspension. I watched my team have about 20 altercations this season and refs hate the Clippers.. so trust me I know the repercussions.

[adri41]

Chandler does all those things actually. Caron Butler did all those things. They just do it without taking cheap shots. You don't need it.

These guys are professional athletes and this Mavs team has arguably the best chemistry and trust in each other out of any team.

So your point holds no water at all. LOL at wanting someone to risk suspension to respond to a scrub taking a cheap shot in a blow out. LOL


Warms my heart like a fool every time I hear stuff about this.:lol They just seem to genuinely get along and have a good time. I don't think they'd be doing anything close to this without that chemistry.

[Clippersfan86]

The entire premise of your post is unintelligent, incendiary, and laughable.

And what's more, I think that you don't truly believe it in your heart. I think you're just struggling to find any ground by which to criticize a team you dislike for another reason.

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Yes.. I have ulterior motives and wanted to waste time writing 3 or 4 paragraphs. I really am rooting against the Mavs! Cover blown.

[DMAVS41]

I agree Caron Butler and Chandler are good with standing up for teammates. I will admit that for sure. I've seen both do it multiple times. I would like anyone to show me a suspension for getting in someone's face though. It's NEVER happened. Punches need to be thrown. In fact.. shoving matches have never resulted in suspensions either that I recall unless someone came off the bench. Like if 2 players shove each other.. it's a double T. No suspension. I watched my team have about 20 altercations this season and refs hate the Clippers.. so trust me I know the repercussions.

Ok. Let me paint you this example.

Artest hits Barea. Marion reacts and gets in Artest's face. Artest punches Marion.

Well shit. Now it is actually escalating and players will react. So Barea tackles Artest and Marion goes after him as well. A scuffle ensues and Tyson Chandler gets caught up in it and leaves the bench out of emotion.

Well guess what. We are looking at losing 3 key players for no reason.

Its about not letting it become an issue. You don't react to fake BS like that. And you certainly don't react when its the teams crazy guy like Artest that is playing like a total scrub and is just trying to bait you into doing something.

[Clippersfan86]

Ok. Let me paint you this example.

Artest hits Barea. Marion reacts and gets in Artest's face. Artest punches Marion.

Well shit. Now it is actually escalating and players will react. So Barea tackles Artest and Marion goes after him as well. A scuffle ensues and Tyson Chandler gets caught up in it and leaves the bench out of emotion.

Well guess what. We are looking at losing 3 key players for no reason.

Its about not letting it become an issue. You don't react to fake BS like that. And you certainly don't react when its the teams crazy guy like Artest that is playing like a total scrub and is just trying to bait you into doing something.

In the history of the NBA how many times has this crazy scenario happened?? You're dealing with what if's instead of what is and DOES happen 99 percent of the time. In the NBA it's EXTREMELY rare for a punch to be thrown (I wish it happened more). It's almost always getting into each others face and being separated by teammates/refs. That alone sends a message that you're not going to put up with it. All I was saying.

[BarberSchool]

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Yes.. I have ulterior motives and wanted to waste time writing 3 or 4 paragraphs. I really am rooting against the Mavs! Cover blown.
***KO's ClippersFan and urinates on him***. Seriously, you know your premise is stupid. This isn't football or hockey. The penalties and stakes are too high to react STUPIDLY.

[DMAVS41]

In the history of the NBA how many times has this crazy scenario happened?? You're dealing with what if's instead of what is and DOES happen 99 percent of the time. In the NBA it's EXTREMELY rare for a punch to be thrown (I wish it happened more). It's almost always getting into each others face and being separated by teammates/refs. That alone sends a message that you're not going to put up with it. All I was saying.

Do you really think Marion getting up in Artest's face would prevent him from doing that again? No way. Artest is crazy. He could care less.

In fact, I'd argue that not reacting is a better deterrent than reacting at all.

[Clippersfan86]

Do you really think Marion getting up in Artest's face would prevent him from doing that again? No way. Artest is crazy. He could care less.

In fact, I'd argue that not reacting is a better deterrent than reacting at all.

Hmm... I think Ron does live and feed off retaliation.. but at the same time he won't start a brawl. Look at 2 seasons ago vs Kobe in the playoffs for example. They threw elbows and got into each others face a few times.. but 0 punches were thrown. Same has happened a few times he's played against Pierce too. A lot of drama.. no punches thrown. Ron may be nuts and have a bad reputation but he's never thrown a punch in his career outside of the brawl in Detroit.

[Clippersfan86]

***KO's ClippersFan and urinates on him***. Seriously, you know your premise is stupid. This isn't football or hockey. The penalties and stakes are too high to react STUPIDLY.

I understand you think it's stupid but it doesn't matter if this is a sport where fighting is allowed. In competitive sports history or hell any team environment it's a proven fact that if someone.. or a team is trying to punk or bully you... the only way to end it is to stand up. Hell it's a fact of life in general. The way to stop a bully is to stand up to a bully. If you don't react.. and try to ignore it.. it just doesn't go away. Maybe you were a guy who got punked in school a lot.. so you should know ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Your bully didn't stop canning you or beating you up despite ignoring him right?

[DMAVS41]

Hmm... I think Ron does live and feed off retaliation.. but at the same time he won't start a brawl. Look at 2 seasons ago vs Kobe in the playoffs for example. They threw elbows and got into each others face a few times.. but 0 punches were thrown. Same has happened a few times he's played against Pierce too. A lot of drama.. no punches thrown. Ron may be nuts and have a bad reputation but he's never thrown a punch in his career outside of the brawl in Detroit.

The point is why risk it though. Why? Especially when we just won two huge games.

I'd understand if we were getting pushed around and getting physically out toughed or something and Artest was laying it on.

But that is not the case.

You also can't be something you aren't. We aren't a huge tough team that likes to bang. We are a basketball team with some tough players that are tough in their own way.

This is basketball. Not boxing or wrestling. All that matter is who plays better. So far its the Mavs. If the Lakers come back, it won't be because of stuff like this. It will be because they have better players. Thats all.

[DMAVS41]

I understand you think it's stupid but it doesn't matter if this is a sport where fighting is allowed. In competitive sports history or hell any team environment it's a proven fact that if someone.. or a team is trying to punk or bully you... the only way to end it is to stand up. Hell it's a fact of life in general. The way to stop a bully is to stand up to a bully. If you don't react.. and try to ignore it.. it just doesn't go away. Maybe you were a guy who got punked in school a lot.. so you should know ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Your bully didn't stop canning you or beating you up despite ignoring him right?

The Lakers are not bullying the Mavs so far. In fact, its kind of been the opposite...especially last night. The Mavs were definitely the more physical team all game.

Lakers settled for so many jumpers.

The problem is that your whole assertion is based on this flawed premise that the Mavs are getting thrown around or something. Just not the case.

[Clippersfan86]

The point is why risk it though. Why? Especially when we just won two huge games.

I'd understand if we were getting pushed around and getting physically out toughed or something and Artest was laying it on.

But that is not the case.

You also can't be something you aren't. We aren't a huge tough team that likes to bang. We are a basketball team with some tough players that are tough in their own way.

This is basketball. Not boxing or wrestling. All that matter is who plays better. So far its the Mavs. If the Lakers come back, it won't be because of stuff like this. It will be because they have better players. Thats all.

Touche... touche. Like I said man.. I understand can't force an identity if your team isn't that. I was just bringing up an issue I had and hoped for some comments and discussion on it. I'm not trying to troll the Mavs or be a di** at all about it. I just was watching the last couple minutes of game 2 again and didn't like what I saw in this aspect.

[whoartthou]

IMHO.. ive never seen mavs ever defend barea... hell they are always yelling a thim. Only person i really see genuinely like barea is jason kidd.. Why do people not like this kid?

He ****ing lit the lakers up in the 4th.. .and dont tell me you dont like him because of his looks... :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

IMHO.. ive never seen mavs ever defend barea... hell they are always yelling a thim. Only person i really see genuinely like barea is jason kidd.. Why do people not like this kid?

He ****ing lit the lakers up in the 4th.. .and dont tell me you dont like him because of his looks... :facepalm

Barea is one of the most underrated players in the league. Inconsistent at times but always gives 100 percent.. and has a toughness much of the team doesn't. I see the dude slashing to the hoop in traffic and taking contact all the time. I love him in the clutch too. I've seen him burn up a lot of teams including my own a few times with clutch play.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Clippersfan, you should go and watch some T-wolves games.

Real tough guys there:rolleyes:

[Clippersfan86]

Clippersfan, you should go and watch some T-wolves games.

Real tough guys there:rolleyes:

Haha... are they really soft or something? There is only 1 time this season where I was screaming during a game because of soft Clippers play. Eric Gordon got cheapshotted by Mozgov and nobody did a damn thing. I was so pissed about that. Other than that.. the Clippers were getting into altercations all year, mainly revolved around Blake Griffin. When I played ball in HS and even rec leagues I was my teams enforcer. I'm only 5'11 200 pounds but really strong for my size.. and I have no problem getting into a fight with the other teams Center. I'm a believer that in sports it's important to ALWAYS stand up for teammates no matter what. It helps build chemistry and bond the team.

[Clippersfan86]

Oh what's worse about that play is.. it's the play that injured Eric Gordon and put him out with the wrist fracture/torn ligaments for like 30 games.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Haha... are they really soft or something? There is only 1 time this season where I was screaming during a game because of soft Clippers play. Eric Gordon got cheapshotted by Mozgov and nobody did a damn thing. I was so pissed about that. Other than that.. the Clippers were getting into altercations all year, mainly revolved around Blake Griffin. When I played ball in HS and even rec leagues I was my teams enforcer. I'm only 5'11 200 pounds but really strong for my size.. and I have no problem getting into a fight with the other teams Center. I'm a believer that in sports it's important to ALWAYS stand up for teammates no matter what. It helps build chemistry and bond the team.

Minnesota Timberwolves (other than Beasley/Wesley/Webster/Flynn) =
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[Clippersfan86]

Minnesota Timberwolves (other than Beasley/Wesley/Webster/Flynn) =
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Dude.. I guess I've been lucky to always have at least 1-2 thugs or hardasses on the Clippers. I'd seriously stop watching my team if they were soft and got punked all the time by dirty plays and all that. Does it bother you?

[BarberSchool]

I understand you think it's stupid but it doesn't matter if this is a sport where fighting is allowed. In competitive sports history or hell any team environment it's a proven fact that if someone.. or a team is trying to punk or bully you... the only way to end it is to stand up. Hell it's a fact of life in general. The way to stop a bully is to stand up to a bully. If you don't react.. and try to ignore it.. it just doesn't go away. Maybe you were a guy who got punked in school a lot.. so you should know ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Your bully didn't stop canning you or beating you up despite ignoring him right?You got me wrong. I was always the tallest dude in my grade, never got bullied, and I only barely bullied other kids a handful of times. All my one sided fights were when somebody was really unriggteous or when they insulted a broad I liked. Only time I got messed with in my life was when I was 11 at the mall (already 5'5" looked 14/15), went to the food court bathroom dolo, and these 3 Mexican MLD's that were like 16 literally yanked my force off my right foot while I was washing my hands. You know how I handled it....I gave all three of them a stiff Ice Grill and continued washing my hands with one shoe on....turned around when I was done with my hand out, put my force back on, walked THRU the modfle of all three of them to fix my high top fade in the mirror and then walked out the bathroom all slow.

So my view is that I'm already superior to the bully, and anything he could do wouldn't faze me. And when they act, either look at em like they're outright stupid or laugh at em. This serms similar to how I thonk the Mavs feel right niw, superior. If they actually punch you in the face, you gotta hit them back, but what, are you gonna act like what Ron did was actually full of fire or looked wild or dangerous? LOL he looked awkward and stupid half pulling that f@ggot ass wannabe clothesline...where he even held Barea up at the end of it. Lol at this being a threatening move that needed retaliation. It was stupid, nothing more **Sanford & Son music**

If you think anyone on the Mavericks was shook by the two half assed cheap frustration plays Artest made, then you're either the dude who never got past being punked you accuse me of being, or a sucker for some really minimal hype, son.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Dude.. I guess I've been lucky to always have at least 1-2 thugs or hardasses on the Clippers. I'd seriously stop watching my team if they were soft and got punked all the time by dirty plays and all that. Does it bother you?

Of course it bothers me.

Darko and Kevin literally make the softest frontcourt in the entire NBA.

Throw in Luke Ridnour as our starting PG and of course our softazz head coach Kurt Rambust (praying to the BasedGod he gets fired) the Minnesota Timberwolves easily make/become/are the softest team in the league and nobody is close.

[DMAVS41]

You got me wrong. I was always the tallest dude in my grade, and I only bullied other kids a handful of times. All my obe sided fights were when somebody was really unriggteous or when they insulted a broad I liked. Only time I got messed with in my life was when I was 11 at the mall (already 5'5" looked 14/15), went to the food court bathroom dolo, and these 3 Mexican MLD's that were like 16 literally yanked my force off my right foot while I was washing my hands. You know how I handled it....I gave all three of them a stiff Ice Grill and continued washing my hands with one shoe on....turned around when I was done with my hand out, put my force back on, walked THRU the modfle of all three of them to fix my high top fade in the mirror and then walked out the bathroom all slow.

So my view is that I'm already superior to the bully, and anything he could do wouldn't faze me. And when they act, either look at em like they're outright stupid or laugh at em. If they actually punch you in the face, you gotta hit them back, but what, are you gonna act like what Ron did was actually full of fire or looked wild or dangerous? LOL he looked awkward and stupid half pulling that f@ggot ass wannabe clothesline...where he even held Barea up at the end of it. Lol at this being a threatening move that needed retaliation. It was stupid, nothing more **Sanford & Son music**

If you think anyone on the Mavericks was shook by the two half assed cheap frustration plays Artest, then you're a sucker for some really minimal hype, son.
:applause:

[Clippersfan86]

You got me wrong. I was always the tallest dude in my grade, and I only bullied other kids a handful of times. All my obe sided fights were when somebody was really unriggteous or when they insulted a broad I liked. Only time I got messed with in my life was when I was 11 at the mall (already 5'5" looked 14/15), went to the food court bathroom dolo, and these 3 Mexican MLD's that were like 16 literally yanked my force off my right foot while I was washing my hands. You know how I handled it....I gave all three of them a stiff Ice Grill and continued washing my hands with one shoe on....turned around when I was done with my hand out, put my force back on, walked THRU the modfle of all three of them to fix my high top fade in the mirror and then walked out the bathroom all slow.

So my view is that I'm already superior to the bully, and anything he could do wouldn't faze me. And when they act, either look at em like they're outright stupid or laugh at em. If they actually punch you in the face, you gotta hit them back, but what, are you gonna act like what Ron did was actually full of fire or looked wild or dangerous? LOL he looked awkward and stupid half pulling that f@ggot ass wannabe clothesline...where he even held Barea up at the end of it. Lol at this being a threatening move that needed retaliation. It was stupid, nothing more **Sanford & Son music**

If you think anyone on the Mavericks was shook by the two half assed cheap frustration plays Artest, then you're a sucker for some really minimal hype, son.

You're an epic storyteller and that's not sarcasm. :cheers: . Maybe I'm overreacting to that particular foul. I just want to see the Mavericks as a unit.. all the time be a bit more aggressive, physical and I guess be more badass. Can't make a Dog turn into a Lizard though right? It is what it is.

[Basketball Dirk]

Someone hook this thread up with a nice online tough guy picture.

:oldlol:

[BarberSchool]

You're an epic storyteller and that's not sarcasm. :cheers: . Maybe I'm overreacting to that particular foul. I just want to see the Mavericks as a unit.. all the time be a bit more aggressive, physical and I guess be more badass. Can't make a Dog turn into a Lizard though right? It is what it is.Artest's attitude under pressure (admittedly):
"Gonna have me some fun!"
http://ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mac-PREDATOR.gif


Dallas' attitude under a pressure situation:
**silence**
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/thread

[50inchvertical]

I somewhat would agree, if they were losing and/or getting punked out there which used to be the case much of the time in the past. But right now, given they are up 2-0 with 2 games going back to their place, I'm not concerned

And all of you talking about ejections and punches, there's tons of gray area between not reacting and starting a brawl and getting ejected/suspended. It's just when you talk about standing up for yourself and a teammate, you need to do or say something.

Somebody referenced when David West touched Dirk in the face while talking shit to him (took exception to catching a Dirk elbow in the post) and nobody on the Mavs, obviously including Dirk, did or said anything. Not saying Dirk should have started a fight; assuming it really came down to that he probably would have gotten handled anyways, West boxes in the offseason. But you watched the next round how Oberto was reacting to that nonsense, night and day. He wasn't getting ejected or punching West, but he was letting it be known that he wa not going to be punked or treated in that way and was getting back in West's face, not backing down, etc. At worst, you get a double t, and a lot of time you just get the refs stepping in and separating guys.

But again, doesn't apply now IMHO.

[Clippersfan86]

I somewhat would agree, if they were losing and/or getting punked out there which used to be the case much of the time in the past. But right now, given they are up 2-0 with 2 games going back to their place, I'm not concerned

And all of you talking about ejections and punches, there's tons of gray area between not reacting and starting a brawl and getting ejected/suspended. It's just when you talk about standing up for yourself and a teammate, you need to do or say something.

Somebody referenced when David West touched Dirk in the face while talking shit to him (took exception to catching a Dirk elbow in the post) and nobody on the Mavs, obviously including Dirk, did or said anything. Not saying Dirk should have started a fight; assuming it really came down to that he probably would have gotten handled anyways, West boxes in the offseason. But you watched the next round how Oberto was reacting to that nonsense, night and day. He wasn't getting ejected or punching West, but he was letting it be known that he wa not going to be punked or treated in that way and was getting back in West's face, not backing down, etc. At worst, you get a double t, and a lot of time you just get the refs stepping in and separating guys.

But again, doesn't apply now IMHO.

I agree given the 2-0 Mavs advantage this topic is pretty pointless. Maybe an impulse thread on my part. I'm glad you do see the point I was trying to make though (Unless I'm misunderstanding you) that you can stand up for teammates and make it known you won't tolerate crap without suspensions or punches thrown.

[Clippersfan86]

Artest's attitude under pressure (admittedly):
"Gonna have me some fun!"
http://ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mac-PREDATOR.gif


Dallas' attitude under a pressure situation:
**silence**
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/thread

Predator reference definitely /thread. You Ether'd this thread for sure. :lol

[PowerGlove]

Remember when David West smacked Dirt Nowitzki?...:roll: :roll: :roll:
Remember when the Lakers had no one to guard Dirk?

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tah_UlHF4VY

Perfect way to handle a situation like what happened to Barea in my opinion. Not only did Blake take exception to the foul but Craig Smith rushed in ready to back Blake up. Lol Blake is one of the best mind games guys. I love it how after the dunk he purposely swung onto Powe then acted all innocent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBZBYBlsRtc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyXBm8OPXk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGf7n3_VcBc

[Mr Know It All]

This guy is flogging the Mavs for not being as "tough" as the Clippers, yet last time I checked the Mavericks were playing in the WC semis and the Clippers were at home watching.

"Toughness" is overrated in this league, and really it all comes down to skill and a bit or a lot of luck, not to mention a little friendly officiating. Ron Artest is suspended for being "tough". The Spurs over the years were never thugs, Tim Duncan was always the silent type. I remember when Garnett started "punking" him, Timmy didn't react, he didn't try to "punk" him back, he just kicked Garnett's ass on the court and went on to win the title.

Maybe on the court on the street puffing your chest and acting like some fake tough guy can rattle your opponent, however in the NBA I really think it is overrated by so many.

[Clippersfan86]

This guy is flogging the Mavs for not being as "tough" as the Clippers, yet last time I checked the Mavericks were playing in the WC semis and the Clippers were at home watching.

"Toughness" is overrated in this league, and really it all comes down to skill and a bit or a lot of luck, not to mention a little friendly officiating. Ron Artest is suspended for being "tough". The Spurs over the years were never thugs, Tim Duncan was always the silent type. I remember when Garnett started "punking" him, Timmy didn't react, he didn't try to "punk" him back, he just kicked Garnett's ass on the court and went on to win the title.

Maybe on the court on the street puffing your chest and acting like some fake tough guy can rattle your opponent, however in the NBA I really think it is overrated by so many.

Read the thread LOL. Never once did I compare the teams in the OP or the main portion of the thread until I gave an example of Blake Griffin finally fighting back and the flagrants stopping. Then Beasley talked about his team being soft and I posted about the Clips and added a couple videos to backup my claim that the Clips became much tougher and it cut down on the flagrants and all that garbage. The Mavs are obviously a better team than the Clippers and I'd never claim otherwise so not sure what the Clippers not making the playoffs has to do with this.

That's the whole ignorant idea of "My team is better than yours so you can't criticize them". I'm a fan of the league, not only the Clippers. I enjoy watching other teams as well and have my opinions of other teams much like you do about the Clippers obviously.

[LA_Showtime]

Remember when the Lakers had no one to guard Dirk?

The only guy who I could realistically see bothering Dirk at this point, if he continues to keep up his level of play, is Ibaka.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Artest's attitude under pressure (admittedly):
"Gonna have me some fun!"
http://ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mac-PREDATOR.gif


Dallas' attitude under a pressure situation:
**silence**
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l44jutQuLC1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg

/thread


GOAT action/sci-fi movie along with ALIENS and T2 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


honorable mentions: blade runner, total recall

[thomaspynchon]

The only guy who I could realistically see bothering Dirk at this point, if he continues to keep up his level of play, is Ibaka.

If Ibaka guards Dirk, Dirk just may average 40-20-5

[BarberSchool]

The only guy who I could realistically see bothering Dirk at this point, if he continues to keep up his level of play, is Ibaka.I see where you're coming from, and if Ibaka plays it smart, he might bother Dirk's shot, but guess what happens to OKC's paint defense when Ibaka gets pulled out to thd three point line on pick-n-roll defense ? See how that hurts the team more ?

And in all reality, Dirk would recognize Ibaka's length and shot blocking, and Ibaka would get played like a puppet with footwork, fakes, etc. Ibaka would no doubt get in foul trouble guarding Dirk, and Ibaka in foul trouble is not a winning strategy for OKC.

[LA_Showtime]

I see where you're coming from, and if Ibaka plays it smart, he might bother Dirk's shot, but guess what happens to OKC's paint defense when Ibaka gets pulled out to thd three point line on pick-n-roll defense ? See how that hurts the team more ?

And in all reality, Dirk would recognize Ibaka's length and shot blocking, and Ibaka would get played like a puppet with footwork, fakes, etc. Ibaka would no doubt get in foul trouble guarding Dirk, and Ibaka in foul trouble is not a winning strategy for OKC.

Well, you convinced me. I haven't studied Ibaka's game but I'm sure you're right.

[nashwade]

the downfall of this mavs team will be that that none of the players are consistent offensively except for Dirk

Terry, Kidd, Marion, Barea - these guys won't give you consistent offsense nightly

[Floppy]

First off.. I'd have to see this is the first season where I'd have to say I'm rooting for the Lakers to go down. I'd be happy to see the Mavericks whoop them. Why? Because they decided to be lazy all season and not put in work and think they can flip a switch and cruise through the playoffs. I'm all about the team winning that deserves to win. The team that puts in hard work all season long.

Now my problem with the Mavs though has to do with not having any guts. I'm not talking about toughness because Chandler, Stevenson and Brewer added a lot of that. I'm talking about when someone on the other team cheap shots your man you get in his face.. shove him.. throw a punch whatever you have to do to make it clear you won't put up with that sh**. Ron Artest shoved Marion in the back into the Mavs bench.. and all the Mavs turned their heads like they wanted nothing to do with Ron. Then after Ron hits Barea in the face.. Marion and Terry who were right there didn't do a damn thing about it.

These guys shouldn't be afraid. How many NBA players in the last 20 years have gotten into a real fight and thrown a real punch? Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. If Ron was taking cheapshots on a team like Portland or Memphis.. who has a few guys who will throw down.. none of this shit would be happening. I've seen Aldridge, Andre Miller, Gerald Wallace, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and all those guys ***** slap, punch, tackle or w/e else other players.

Long story short.. it's really hard for me to respect a team that doesn't even stand up for itself. You don't want to be considered soft anymore? Start defending teammates. Stop getting punked when the game gets tough. I hope Dallas wins but this business of them letting other teams push them around annoys me.
When Griffin turns away from a fight in the regular season he's being smart, when the Mavs do it in the playoffs they're gutless.

Gotta love the hypocrites :lol

[Killer_Instinct]

You got me wrong. I was always the tallest dude in my grade, never got bullied, and I only barely bullied other kids a handful of times. All my one sided fights were when somebody was really unriggteous or when they insulted a broad I liked. Only time I got messed with in my life was when I was 11 at the mall (already 5'5" looked 14/15), went to the food court bathroom dolo, and these 3 Mexican MLD's that were like 16 literally yanked my force off my right foot while I was washing my hands. You know how I handled it....I gave all three of them a stiff Ice Grill and continued washing my hands with one shoe on....turned around when I was done with my hand out, put my force back on, walked THRU the modfle of all three of them to fix my high top fade in the mirror and then walked out the bathroom all slow.


http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/DucktalesVol1.jpg

[Droid101]

Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. .
I agree with everything you say except for this.

[Hawker]

Mavs are up 2-0. **** everything else.

[eppelp]

Didn't one of the Mavs players stand up for Cardinal when the Blazers insulted him after a game just a week back?

[BarberSchool]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/DucktalesVol1.jpgWord to God.
It was gangster as **** for an 11 year old.
Ask God to show you the replay on heaven's version of YouTube lol. You'll enjoy it. :)

[greensborohill]

First off.. I'd have to see this is the first season where I'd have to say I'm rooting for the Lakers to go down. I'd be happy to see the Mavericks whoop them. Why? Because they decided to be lazy all season and not put in work and think they can flip a switch and cruise through the playoffs. I'm all about the team winning that deserves to win. The team that puts in hard work all season long.

Now my problem with the Mavs though has to do with not having any guts. I'm not talking about toughness because Chandler, Stevenson and Brewer added a lot of that. I'm talking about when someone on the other team cheap shots your man you get in his face.. shove him.. throw a punch whatever you have to do to make it clear you won't put up with that sh**. Ron Artest shoved Marion in the back into the Mavs bench.. and all the Mavs turned their heads like they wanted nothing to do with Ron. Then after Ron hits Barea in the face.. Marion and Terry who were right there didn't do a damn thing about it.

These guys shouldn't be afraid. How many NBA players in the last 20 years have gotten into a real fight and thrown a real punch? Ron may be crazy but it doesn't mean he knows how to fight or should intimidate your entire team. If Ron was taking cheapshots on a team like Portland or Memphis.. who has a few guys who will throw down.. none of this shit would be happening. I've seen Aldridge, Andre Miller, Gerald Wallace, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and all those guys ***** slap, punch, tackle or w/e else other players.

Long story short.. it's really hard for me to respect a team that doesn't even stand up for itself. You don't want to be considered soft anymore? Start defending teammates. Stop getting punked when the game gets tough. I hope Dallas wins but this business of them letting other teams push them around annoys me.


I think you have issues regarding your own lack of toughness son. This is basketball not MMA. Watch the clip, Cardinal had to yank someone by the arm to hold them back from going on to the court and getting suspended. It's called being smart.

[ProfessorMurder]

You don't prove your toughness by taking cheap shots or retaliating.

According to all of the KG haters you do.

[Clippersfan86]

I think you have issues regarding your own lack of toughness son. This is basketball not MMA. Watch the clip, Cardinal had to yank someone by the arm to hold them back from going on to the court and getting suspended. It's called being smart.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/Tokyomewmew156/pandahate.gif

[kentatm]

IMHO.. ive never seen mavs ever defend barea... hell they are always yelling a thim. Only person i really see genuinely like barea is jason kidd.. Why do people not like this kid?

He ****ing lit the lakers up in the 4th.. .and dont tell me you dont like him because of his looks... :facepalm

Um. You haven't seen much of the team if that's what you think. Dirk and especially Chandler love him.

[greensborohill]

Remember when David West smacked Dirt Nowitzki?...:roll: :roll: :roll:


Remember when David West won a title and an NBA Finals MVP? Oh wait. . . . . . STFU douchebag!

[Clippersfan86]

Remember when David West won a title and an NBA Finals MVP? Oh wait. . . . . . STFU douchebag!

Haha it's weird when a thread gets bumped and you read yourself talking from like 5 months ago. I'm glad the Mavs proved me wrong though :cheers: .

[PowerGlove]

Remember when David West won a title and an NBA Finals MVP? Oh wait. . . . . . STFU douchebag!
Remember when you kept riding dirk for the whole offseason?

[creepingdeath]

Remember when you kept riding dirk for the whole offseason?
He rode the right horse, at least. :pimp:

[PowerGlove]

He rode the right horse, at least. :pimp:
:(

Andrea Bargnani is such a handsome dude tho, one look and I just had to ride him this year and seasons to come

[kentatm]

I see where you're coming from, and if Ibaka plays it smart, he might bother Dirk's shot, but guess what happens to OKC's paint defense when Ibaka gets pulled out to thd three point line on pick-n-roll defense ? See how that hurts the team more ?

And in all reality, Dirk would recognize Ibaka's length and shot blocking, and Ibaka would get played like a puppet with footwork, fakes, etc. Ibaka would no doubt get in foul trouble guarding Dirk, and Ibaka in foul trouble is not a winning strategy for OKC.

:bowdown:

"If I'm Serge Ibaka, I'm naming my first son Dirk." ~ Jeff Van Gundy

[Jan95]

:bowdown:

"If I'm Serge Ibaka, I'm naming my first son Dirk." ~ Jeff Van Gundy
True story :bowdown:

[Clippersfan86]

:bowdown:

"If I'm Serge Ibaka, I'm naming my first son Dirk." ~ Jeff Van Gundy

:roll: :oldlol:

[NBAller]

Fighting in the NBA is retarded. Plain and simple.

[creepingdeath]

:(

Andrea Bargnani is such a handsome dude tho, one look and I just had to ride him this year and seasons to come
A couple of more years, and he'll average more rebounds than Dirk. :lol

[DirkNowitzki41]

If Ibaka guards Dirk, Dirk just may average 40-20-5

Funny thing is.. Dirk actually did avg 40 pts on him :oldlol:

Thomaspynchon always get his sh1t right. :bowdown: :bowdown: