Jordan would had raped these Mavs

[DCL]

if i ever hear another kobe is as good as jordan talk......

[zay_24]

if i ever hear another kobe is as good as jordan talk......

Jordan never had a winning season until pippen came along:roll:

[rodman91]

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/140860/Troll.jpg

[juju151111]

Obviously, MJ>KB Kobe needs to score more points with migets like kidd and Stevenson on him. Tried to go hero mode in the 4th and failed.

[schism206]

Jordan never had a winning season until pippen came along:roll:
that's just inviting the kobe needed shaq and then pau gasol arguements. pau has sucked this series and the lakers are losing, doesn't that start to make sense now?

[Calabis]

Jordan never had a winning season until pippen came along:roll:
Yet Jordan still won when Pippen played bad....
Kobe most overrated great player ever

[Calabis]

that's just inviting the kobe needed shaq and then pau gasol arguements. pau has sucked this series and the lakers are losing, doesn't that start to make sense now?

Makes it much clearer who was the real MVP in last years finals

[zay_24]

Yet Jordan still won when Pippen played bad....
Kobe most overrated great player ever
Lol, Jordan needed Rodman to bail him out in the 96 finals

5-19:lol

[sixerfan82]

Makes it much clearer who was the real MVP in last years finals

I'd hope the vast majority of 'sensible' nba fans would know it wasn't Kobe.

[schism206]

Lol, Jordan needed Rodman to bail him out in the 96 finals

5-19:lol

all i know is with the lakers down 0-3 to the mavs, especially with kobe's disappearance in the 4th, bringing up a kobe > jordan arguement is going to be fighting a losing battle, just like the lakers.

[andgar923]

This type of 'breakdown' the Lakers have been going through, would've never happened under MJ's watch.

His teammates may have hated MJ at times, but at least they feared/respected him.

This Lakers team has been off kilter since the regular season. There's always something wrong with this Lakers team. And that's due to the lack of true leadership.

They've always won because they're just too talented to lose to most of their opponents.

Kobe isn't the leader MJ was and specially the player MJ was, plain and simple. Never has been, never will.

No matter how many times the media wants to push their agenda, MJ>>>>>>>>> Kobe.

Another things worth noting......

MJ's legacy takes an even bigger jump since he won without a dominant front court. We're starting to see that Kobe needs a dominant front court to win, MJ did this in an era filled with better front court players.

Another thing worth noting.......

Toughness and strong mental fortitude>>>>>>>> skill

I don't give a f*ck, but players like Kobe wouldn't be as great if they played back then. Let's not get into players like Gasol and other of today's soft big men. Physical play makes it tough both mentally and physically, something we've been trying to say for years. And this series is yet another example, and the Mavs aren't even a tough physical team!

[zay_24]

all i know is with the lakers down 0-3 to the mavs, especially with kobe's disappearance in the 4th, bringing up a kobe > jordan arguement is going to be fighting a losing battle, just like the lakers.
Didnt Kobe drop 42 on jordan in one half:roll:

[Calabis]

Lol, Jordan needed Rodman to bail him out in the 96 finals

5-19:lol

Lmao Rodman didn't avg 15/10, nor did Pippen..nice try though

6-24:roll:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/calabis/1304373360_picsay-1304373360-1.jpg

[andgar923]

Makes it much clearer who was the real MVP in last years finals

Agreed.

I was noting this both seasons.

[zay_24]

This type of 'breakdown' the Lakers have been going through, would've never happened under MJ's watch.

His teammates may have hated MJ at times, but at least they feared/respected him.

This Lakers team has been off kilter since the regular season. There's always something wrong with this Lakers team. And that's due to the lack of true leadership.

They've always won because they're just too talented to lose to most of their opponents.

Kobe isn't the leader MJ was and specially the player MJ was, plain and simple. Never has been, never will.

No matter how many times the media wants to push their agenda, MJ>>>>>>>>> Kobe.

Another things worth noting......

MJ's legacy takes an even bigger jump since he won without a dominant front court. We're starting to see that Kobe needs a dominant front court to win, MJ did this in an era filled with better front court players.

Another thing worth noting.......

Toughness and strong mental fortitude>>>>>>>> skill

I don't give a f*ck, but players like Kobe wouldn't be as great if they played back then. Let's not get into players like Gasol and other of today's soft big men. Physical play makes it tough both mentally and physically, something we've been trying to say for years. And this series is yet another example, and the Mavs aren't even a tough physical team!:violin:

This generation has better shooters, scorers, and big men than MJs era, stop it 5

[zay_24]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:

[Lucifer]

According to insidehoops, Jordan can also cure cancer, could have killed Bin Laden 5 years ago if he tried, etc. He's the GOAT, but don't exaggerate how great he was.

[Calabis]

Didnt Kobe drop 42 on jordan in one half:roll:

No it was on Stackhouse, but after Jordan won chips he never was on the verge of being swept with the best/highest payroll'd team:roll:

Kobe new nickname is "meaningless", because that's his impact on the floor....he's Dominique Wilkins/Allen Iverson with a dominant front court

[asdf1990]

Lol, Jordan needed Rodman to bail him out in the 96 finals

5-19:lol

kobe needed the refs to bail him out in game 7 of last years finals. 20 FTs in the fourth lawl.

[sixerfan82]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:

Didn't the Bulls win that series in 6? I'm failing to see the point here :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

:violin:

This generation has better shooters, scorers, and big men than MJs era, stop it 5

Even if we all agree on those points (which we don't). What's the use if they're mentally weak?

Or can't play physical ball?

You and your ilk obviously never played ball, or at all for that matter. Physical basketball drains your mind, body and soul (ask Kobe). So who cares if today's big men are more skilled than a Rick Mahorn. They would still struggle to play against him and players from back then.

MJ at 34 would be raping this league with his mental toughness alone.

[schism206]

Didnt Kobe drop 42 on jordan in one half:roll:
well that might have been impressive if jordan wasn't 40 years old.

[asdf1990]

According to insidehoops, Jordan can also cure cancer, cure AIDS and could have killed Bin Laden 9 years ago if he tried, etc. He's the GOAT, but don't exaggerate how great was.

fix'd .

[sixerfan82]

Even if we all agree on those points (which we don't). What's the use if they're mentally weak?

Or can't play physical ball?

You and your ilk obviously never played ball, or at all for that matter. Physical basketball drains your mind, body and soul (ask Kobe). So who cares if today's big men are more skilled than a Rick Mahorn. They would still struggle to play against him and players from back then.

MJ at 34 would be raping this league with his mental toughness alone.

He did it at 40(to support your point) with literally no physical game

[Calabis]

According to insidehoops, Jordan can also cure cancer, could have killed Bin Laden 5 years ago if he tried, etc. He's the GOAT, but don't exaggerate how great he was.

:cry: I'm sure he would win with that Lakers cast

[Nevaeh]

:violin:

This generation has better shooters,..........

Started Laughing right there :lol

[bond10]

:violin:

This generation has better shooters, scorers, and big men than MJs era, stop it 5

Better shooters? FG% overall is lower now than the 90s
Better scorers? Nope, I think you meant "flashier" players.
Better big men? Now I know you're trolling...:facepalm

[bond10]

You kids do realize Jordan NEVER lost a playoffs series/championship after 1991 right? He's the GOAT, deal with it.

[rodman91]

40 years old Jordan would have a good chance to win with these Lakers cast and P-Jax.At least we know he raped Marion couple of times at Wizard years.

Let's not act like Gasol,Bynum,Artest,Odom are scrubs.

[catch24]

Why is everyone replying to this homosexual?

[schism206]

Even if we all agree on those points (which we don't). What's the use if they're mentally weak?

Or can't play physical ball?

You and your ilk obviously never played ball, or at all for that matter. Physical basketball drains your mind, body and soul (ask Kobe). So who cares if today's big men are more skilled than a Rick Mahorn. They would still struggle to play against him and players from back then.

MJ at 34 would be raping this league with his mental toughness alone.
amen. how many athletic freaks have been in this league and never won anything, or been labeled a "waste of talent", because of their lack of intelligence, drive and mental toughness, etc. i'd rather have an above average athlete with a brain & will, over a super talented lazy dope.

[andgar923]

He did it at 40(to support your point) with literally no physical game

A FACT that Kobe fans always seem to forget, no matter how many times it gets proven.

I always laugh at the "MJ never played against players like KG, Kidd, Artest, etc.etc."

Uh.... yes he did. :pimp:

[zay_24]

Better shooters? FG% overall is lower now than the 90s
Better scorers? Nope, I think you meant "flashier" players.
Better big men? Now I know you're trolling...:facepalm


Peja, Nash, Dirk, Ray Ray, Kobe, Krover, Kidd, Horry etc...= Better shooters

AI, Tmac, Kobe alone>>>the scorers from the 90s

KG, DIrk, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol, Yao, Amare, Dwight, soon to be BG

vs

Hakeem, Robison, Ewing?.....

[Calabis]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:

This era's the one that's had:

The most 20 win & sub .500 teams in NBA history

The LOWEST (worst) TV ratings in NBA history

The BIGGEST influx of high schoolers/1-yr college player, which LOWERED the skill level, which is why the NBA had to, implement the 2004 rules to make for EASIER & more efficient scoring :roll:

[sixerfan82]

A FACT that Kobe fans always seem to forget, no matter how many times it gets proven.

I always laugh at the "MJ never played against players like KG, Kidd, Artest, etc.etc."

Uh.... yes he did. :pimp:

LOL he almost walked off with all star mvp in 2003 as well if it wasn't for a silly foul on kobe in the corner, garnett won it that year, right?

[hkfosho]

Zay_24 just got owned:lol

[zay_24]

This era's the one that's had:

The most 20 win & sub .500 teams in NBA history

The LOWEST (worst) TV ratings in NBA history

The BIGGEST influx of high schoolers/1-yr college player, which LOWERED the skill level, which is why the NBA had to, implement the 2004 rules to make for EASIER & more efficient scoring :roll:
Lol @ using ratins to support why the old era is better than this one

fail

[Stuckey]

jordan would have won in 6 may be 5

[ukplayer4]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:



lets just check the sanity of this guy for a second here. i think being insane is a fairly indicative trait of people who consider kobe better than mj.


"There's no proof that other planets exist"
"Tim Duncan isn't a HOF'er"
"kobe>mj" (to paraphrase)


so before you reply to this dude know what level of intelligence you are dealing with.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

if i ever hear another kobe is as good as jordan talk......
jordan would have raped pau in the shower room.

[Calabis]

Lol @ using ratins to support why the old era is better than this one

fail

Yeah let's ignore the other two things...maybe that's a result of it

[game385]

Honestly, I'm a Kobe fan but I always thought that comparing Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan was the equivalent of comparing Usher to Michael Jackson.

Yeah it makes sense in the grand scheme of things b/c obviously they're both influenced by their industry's respective G.O.A.T.s but really? Has it ever been worth a serious debate?

I typically don't waste my time arguing with Kobe fans who take it too far and try to say Kobe's better than MJ...

I always felt like that would be like arguing with a 15 year old girl who was mesmerized by Confessions and never saw Thriller, never listened to the entire Bad or Off the Wall Albums, never saw Motown 25 or a MJ concert, and never heard a Jackson 5 greatest hits.

As a Kobe guy, it's not over til it's over. But please stop the Kobe> Jordan sh*t. You just look silly and naive.

[97 bulls]

Honestly, I'm a Kobe fan but I always thought that comparing Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan was the equivalent of comparing Usher to Michael Jackson.

Yeah it makes sense in the grand scheme of things b/c obviously they're both influenced by their industry's respective G.O.A.T.s but really? Has it ever been worth a serious debate?

I typically don't waste my time arguing with Kobe fans who take it too far and try to say Kobe's better than MJ...

I always felt like that would be like arguing with a 15 year old girl who was mesmerized by Confessions and never saw Thriller, never listened to the entire Bad or Off the Wall Albums, never saw Motown 25 or a MJ concert, and never heard a Jackson 5 greatest hits.

As a Kobe guy, it's not over til it's over. But please stop the Kobe> Jordan sh*t. You just look silly and naive
Great post, great analogy. And I see it the same way.

[sportsfan76]

Kobe is the "JORDAN REMIX"

[LA_Showtime]

No one is saying Kobe > Jordan. No one. :oldlol: And please, some of you older guys must have an inferiority complex or something.

[97 bulls]

No one is saying Kobe > Jordan. No one. :oldlol: And please, some of you older guys must have an inferiority complex or something.
Its called "i told you so"

[Harion]

No one is saying Kobe > Jordan. No one.
where have you been? :rolleyes:

[Bigsmoke]

after his 15th season?

[Maximum310]

Jordan would had raped these Mavs... if i ever hear another kobe is as good as jordan talk......

The logic is stupid in this statement...

We all know Kobe is not as good, and never was as good as Jordan. So why are you implying the obvious? We know current Kobe is not as good as Prime Jordan, but not all versions of Jordan would have been successful against these Mavs. Wizards Jordan would have probably struggled against these Mavs, likewise 05-06 Kobe would have sh!tted all over these Mavs. Heck, he outscored a better Mavs team that year through 3 quarters. Kobe is not in his prime anymore so why compare him to a Prime Jordan?

Stupid!

[LA_Showtime]

where have you been? :rolleyes:

Name one poster, who's not a troll, who actually believes Kobe > Jordan. Do it. You can't.

[Poochymama]

Name one poster, who's not a troll, who actually believes Kobe > Jordan. Do it. You can't.

zay_24, christofire, alpha_wolf

[rodman91]

zay_24, christofire, alpha_wolf

...not a poster but also you can add Mark Jackson to that list. :lol

[SavageMode]

zay_24, christofire, alpha_wolf
:roll: :roll:

[Maximum310]

You kids do realize Jordan NEVER lost a playoffs series/championship after 1991 right?

Wrong

See Magic vs Bulls 1995 playoff series

[Mr. Jabbar]

:blah :blah :blah

[rodman91]

Wrong

See Magic vs Bulls 1995 playoff series

He was almost absent most of the season and wasn't ready like next year. But yeah, he was in '95 playoffs.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

You kids do realize Jordan NEVER lost a playoffs series/championship after 1991 right? He's the GOAT, deal with it.
huh?

[BlackJoker23]

Name one poster, who's not a troll, who actually believes Kobe > Jordan. Do it. You can't.
you're ****ing retarded. that's not surprising, though since you're a laker fan so you get a pass.

[BlackJoker23]

He was almost absent most of the season and wasn't ready like next year. But yeah, he was in '95 playoffs.
no, he was ready. they just needed rodman for rebounding.

[Christofire]

You kids do realize Jordan NEVER lost a playoffs series/championship after 1991 right? He's the GOAT, deal with it.

What relevancy does that have?.....You cAn't just make an assertion that a 14 year vet version of Jordan would've won the series. Jordan played in an era derprived of true quality competition. Why hasn't Jordan won anything until all the great team faded?

[rodman91]

no, he was ready. they just needed rodman for rebounding.

I'm a rodman fan even i wouldn't say that was the reason they lost Magic that year. Sure they needed good low post defender and a rebounder.

Jordan played only 17 games in regular season and he had career low %FG.. 41%. Even Wizards Jordan was shooting better.

Next year he was shooting with %50 again.

[BlackJoker23]

I'm a rodman fan even i wouldn't say that was the reason they lost Magic that year. Sure they needed good low post defender and a rebounder.

Jordan played only 17 games in regular season and he had career low %FG.. 41%. Even Wizards Jordan was shooting better.

Next year he was shooting with %50 again.
check his numbers in the playoffs. 32/7/5 on 48% shooting. they're no worse than his numbers in the second 3peat years

[skaterbasist]

Jordan is retired. Next topic please... :rolleyes:

[Micku]

The comparisons will probably mean a little less if Kobe lose now with the team he has. But the series isn't over yet though.

Everybody knows that Jordan was better than Kobe anyway. But Jordan was a shot taker. He took way more shots than Kobe. The people who criticize Kobe for taking a lot of shots have to realize Jordan took a lot of shots. Jordan took better ones though.

[talkingconch]

This type of 'breakdown' the Lakers have been going through, would've never happened under MJ's watch.

His teammates may have hated MJ at times, but at least they feared/respected him.

This Lakers team has been off kilter since the regular season. There's always something wrong with this Lakers team. And that's due to the lack of true leadership.

They've always won because they're just too talented to lose to most of their opponents.

Kobe isn't the leader MJ was and specially the player MJ was, plain and simple. Never has been, never will.

No matter how many times the media wants to push their agenda, MJ>>>>>>>>> Kobe.

Another things worth noting......

MJ's legacy takes an even bigger jump since he won without a dominant front court. We're starting to see that Kobe needs a dominant front court to win, MJ did this in an era filled with better front court players.

Another thing worth noting.......

Toughness and strong mental fortitude>>>>>>>> skill

I don't give a f*ck, but players like Kobe wouldn't be as great if they played back then. Let's not get into players like Gasol and other of today's soft big men. Physical play makes it tough both mentally and physically, something we've been trying to say for years. And this series is yet another example, and the Mavs aren't even a tough physical team!

No

[OldSchoolBBall]

No

Yes. Anyone who thinks that a Jordan-led team would exhibit the same lack of focus and intensity as these Lakers have the last 25 games of the season and in the playoffs is kidding themselves. Intensity and focus flow from the leader on down.

[BGriffOwnsAKia]

Kobe at age 32: Down 0-3 in the second round to the Mavericks

Jordan at age 32: Beginning of second 3-peat

[OldSchoolBBall]

Great post from a poster on another board re: the Lakers' lack of intensity and focus, which has been an issue all season and playoffs:


I find it funny how people have a problem with saying Jordan had better leadership skills then Kobe and thats part of the reason his teammates didn't play so nonchalantly at times like Kobe's does. Do you guys realize how easily Jordan's teammates could've just said "f*** it" and play like crap? Scottie Pippen was underpaid, complained about the lack of credit, was always in trade rumors, was openly being talked about being replaced by Toni Kukoc, etc. Horace Grant and John Paxson complained about being underpaid as well. BJ Armstrong complained about his role many times. Dennis Rodman was an unpredictable hothead. The whole team hated management. You guys don't think that the leadership of Jordan had anything to do with this team being able to focus despite all of that? Then look at Kobe's teammates. Artest is a hothead, yes. But the rest? Gasol has girlfriend problems and Odom is addicted to candy. They don't really get a lack of credit (in comparison to that Bulls team), some of them are arguably overpaid, and they get along with management fine. But Kobe can't help this team focus better despite much less issues. Are you guys saying its a coincidence that everyone on this team is not focused and it has nothing to do with the leadership at the top ?

And this is with THE SAME COACH that Jordan had. There's also something to be said about how Kobe comes across as fake and with a contrived personality. That wasn't the case with Jordan. And of course that doesn't make for a good leader.

Its the superstar's job to get his teammates focused and ready. And if they're not, that superstar needs to step up more (like Jordan did on many occassions). But he hasn't. There is NO reason this team should be losing to the Mavs. He might not deserve all of the blame, but he deserves some. A great leader is supposed to perform excellent to accomplish a goal. If he was, and they were still losing, then it might be different. But thats not the case. Case Closed.

[d.bball.guy]

Only Kobe stans consider that Kobe >= Jordan. Get over it.

[comerb]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:

You have no idea what hand-checking is, do you?

[10x91= 5 Rings]

Here is a great interview with Dennis Rodman talking about Michael Jordan Leadership.Starts at 3:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2V-H4lZPo

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan never had a winning season until pippen came along:roll:

And won 2 titles with no other allstar on his team and never had a player outproduce him.

Kobe has never won a championship without anybody more productive or efficient than him on his team. He had someone with more win shares and/or higher PER than him on his team each season the Lakers won a championship. So yes, it would make little difference for Kobe if he won another title on the most stacked team in the league, UNLESS he played a great postseason in the process and carried the Lakers.

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Jordan was lucky he didnt have to play in a era where they had good or even decent guards, besides a select few...

We all know what happened when Payton put the glove on Mgay in the finals:roll:

The same Payton that shut down Kobe from 1999-2002:roll:

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Jordan is retired. Next topic please... :rolleyes:

Water.....is it really wet?

[Smoke117]

What an interesting and original idea for a thread! :hammerhead:

[Psileas]

Makes it much clearer who was the real MVP in last years finals

What makes it "much clearer"? The fact that Gasol sucks during practically the whole post-season (including the series that the Lakers won) and the fact that whenever he plays badly the Lakers perform below their standards means he was the Lakers' MVP? What would happen if Kobe had sucked in those 2008-2010 postseasons?

But I guess Kobe must have a good argument to have been the Lakers' MVP in the 2000 Finals. Never mind Shaq's dominance:

Kobe missed game 2: Lakers lost.
Kobe scored only 8 points (his last single digit scoring playoff game ever) in game 5: Lakers lost.

Kobe=MVP!!!1

[Da_Realist]

Yes. Anyone who thinks that a Jordan-led team would exhibit the same lack of focus and intensity as these Lakers have the last 25 games of the season and in the playoffs is kidding themselves. Intensity and focus flow from the leader on down.


I find it funny how people have a problem with saying Jordan had better leadership skills then Kobe and thats part of the reason his teammates didn't play so nonchalantly at times like Kobe's does. Do you guys realize how easily Jordan's teammates could've just said "f*** it" and play like crap? Scottie Pippen was underpaid, complained about the lack of credit, was always in trade rumors, was openly being talked about being replaced by Toni Kukoc, etc. Horace Grant and John Paxson complained about being underpaid as well. BJ Armstrong complained about his role many times. Dennis Rodman was an unpredictable hothead. The whole team hated management. You guys don't think that the leadership of Jordan had anything to do with this team being able to focus despite all of that? Then look at Kobe's teammates. Artest is a hothead, yes. But the rest? Gasol has girlfriend problems and Odom is addicted to candy. They don't really get a lack of credit (in comparison to that Bulls team), some of them are arguably overpaid, and they get along with management fine. But Kobe can't help this team focus better despite much less issues. Are you guys saying its a coincidence that everyone on this team is not focused and it has nothing to do with the leadership at the top ?

And this is with THE SAME COACH that Jordan had. There's also something to be said about how Kobe comes across as fake and with a contrived personality. That wasn't the case with Jordan. And of course that doesn't make for a good leader.

Its the superstar's job to get his teammates focused and ready. And if they're not, that superstar needs to step up more (like Jordan did on many occassions). But he hasn't. There is NO reason this team should be losing to the Mavs. He might not deserve all of the blame, but he deserves some. A great leader is supposed to perform excellent to accomplish a goal. If he was, and they were still losing, then it might be different. But thats not the case. Case Closed.

Well said on both accounts. Especially the "Intensity and focus flow from the leader on down" part. Jordan himself had to get over feelings of betrayal. The Jordan Rules came out in January of 93 and it was obvious that Horace Grant, Phil Jackson and others contributed to the book...then he had to deal with his gambling issues coming to light during the playoffs that year. And they STILL won.

[dillondavis]

:applause:
You kids do realize Jordan NEVER lost a playoffs series/championship after 1991 right? He's the GOAT, deal with it.

Nah brah they lost to Orlando. But one in 8 years I'll take that

[andgar923]

Well said on both accounts. Especially the "Intensity and focus flow from the leader on down" part. Jordan himself had to get over feelings of betrayal. The Jordan Rules came out in January of 93 and it was obvious that Horace Grant, Phil Jackson and others contributed to the book...then he had to deal with his gambling issues coming to light during the playoffs that year. And they STILL won.

Yeah... the shit the Bulls had to deal with was harder than what this lakers team has too.

Everybody that ever talks about MJ (either teammates or opponents) always talk about his "will to win" and how it drives those around him, and hurts his opponents.

Not saying Kobe doesn't have a strong will to win, but clearly he's not a great leader. Not saying he doesn't try, or hasn't tried, he just aint it.... some people are natural born leaders some aren't. He has to lead by more than just example.

YES he's won rings, but it's mostly because they just have the better team. As it's been stated before, the lack of 'consistency' is due to their lack of discipline, focus and determination.

Another tidbit..... I've seen Laker players refer to Fisher as the team's leader, something that aint right. His teammates and coaches usually complain about him and send subtle jabs far too consistently, that shit wouldn't happen with MJ. If Pip complained, best believe that wasn't gonna happen again anytime soon (not as often as it does with Kobe's teammates).

[KG215]

Jordan never had a winning season until pippen came along:roll:

You act like Pippen was an immediate impact/all-star caliber player. It took Pippen several years to reach that level. However, the Bulls made the playoffs every single year Jordan was on the team. In '85-'86 they went 30-52 and somehow still made the playoffs. But that was the year Jordan only played 18 games in the regular season. They got swept in the 1st round but it was by arguably the best NBA team ever.

[KG215]

:applause:

Nah brah they lost to Orlando. But one in 8 years I'll take that

And that was because Jordan came back towards the end of the season and he wasn't quite the same Jordan.

[cteach111]

realize that Kobe is nearing 50K in mins (regular season + playoffs). He should be showing some signs that the wheels are falling off at this point. He's been around for a long long time.

[Da_Realist]

The only question now is, can Dallas top the 39 point beatdown Boston gave LA the last time they quit in a playoff elimination game. :oldlol:

[Calabis]

What makes it "much clearer"? The fact that Gasol sucks during practically the whole post-season (including the series that the Lakers won) and the fact that whenever he plays badly the Lakers perform below their standards means he was the Lakers' MVP? What would happen if Kobe had sucked in those 2008-2010 postseasons?

But I guess Kobe must have a good argument to have been the Lakers' MVP in the 2000 Finals. Never mind Shaq's dominance:

Kobe missed game 2: Lakers lost.
Kobe scored only 8 points (his last single digit scoring playoff game ever) in game 5: Lakers lost.

Kobe=MVP!!!1

No it means Kobe thru Game 3 was getting the better production than MJ and he got swept....:roll:

1996: Kukoc: 13 PPG/42%FG/80%FT/4.6 reb/3.5 ast/.33 blk/.83 stl

Pippen: 15.6 PPG/34%FG/68%FT/8.1 reb/5.3 ast/1.3 blk/2.3 stl

Rodman: 7.5 PPG/48% FG/64% FT/14.6 reb/2.5 ast/0.16 blk/1.3 stl

Total Avg: 12.03 PPG/41%FG/70.6% FT/9.1 reb/3.76 ast/.59 blk/1.47 stl

Total of Prod: 36.1 PPG/27.3 Reb/11.3 ast

1997: Kukoc: 8.0 PPG/40.5 FG%/80% FT/3.1 reb/2.6 ast/0.0 blk/.16 stl

Pippen: 20.0 PPG/42%FG/77.7 FT/8.3 reb/3.5 ast/1.83 blk/1.6 stl

Rodman: 2.3 PPG/25% FG/33% FT/7.6 reb/1.5 ast/.16 blk/0.5 stl

Total Avg: 10.1 PPG/35.8% FG/63.3%FT/6.3 reb/2.5 ast/.66 blk/.75 stl

Total of Prod: 30.3 PPG/19 Rebs/7.6 ast

1998: Kukoc: 15.1 PPG/50% FG/69% FT/4.6 reb/2.6 ast/.66 blk/1.16 stl

Pippen: 15.6 PPG/40.9%FG/83% FT/6.8 reb/4.6 ast/.83 blk/1.6 stl

Rodman: 3.3 PPG/46% FG/66% FT/8.3 reb/1.0 ast/.33 blk/1.16 stl

Total Avg: 11.3 PPG/45.6% FG/72.6 FT/6.56 reb/2.73 ast/.60/1.30 stl

Total of Prod: 34 PPG/19.7 rebs/8.2 ast

Kobe 2011 bananas:

Gasol: 13.3 PPG/42% FG/66% FT/9.6 rebs/3.3 ast/.66 blk/.33 stl

Bynum: 15.6 PPG/57% FG/1.000 FT/9.3 rebs/1.0 ast/.66 blk/.33 stl

Odom: 13.0 PPG/42% FG/77% FT/9.0 rebs/ 2.6 ast/.66 blk/.33 stl

Total Avg: 13.9 PPG/47% FG/81% FT/9.3 rebs/2.3 ast/.66 blk/.33 stl

Total of Prod: 41.9 PPG/27.9 rebs/5.9 ast

Kobe failing to do work:bowdown:

[NBASTATMAN]

Yet Jordan still won when Pippen played bad....
Kobe most overrated great player ever


I HAVE SAID IT FOR YEARS... Well there is no arguing it anymore..

[Da_Realist]

Kobe failing to do work:bowdown:

Shockingly similar to that Boston beatdown in 08. Goes bonkers in 1st quarter and is on a milk carton the rest of the games. 6-8, 13 points in 1st quarter. 1-10, 4 points the rest of the way. :eek:

He quit (again). And the rest of the Lakers did the same.

http://twitter.com/#!/sportsguy33/status/67338013990060034

[AlphaWolf24]

And that was because Jordan came back towards the end of the season and he wasn't quite the same Jordan.

he did the same thing in 1986...was he not the same Jordan when he scored 63?

in 1995 he scored 55 in the Garden..was he not "quite" the same?.....

fact is he quit basketball because he lost the "love of the game"....Kobe kept on playing. Mj was actually fresh, and ready to play...but the Bull's had "0" Interior rebounding/defense...the next year they got the best rebounder and defender of his generation (Rodman) and won....Mj had nothing to do with it....after all they didn't really miss him when he was gone.



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[DMAVS41]

The only question now is, can Dallas top the 39 point beatdown Boston gave LA the last time they quit in a playoff elimination game. :oldlol:
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

Another Kobe collapse in a huge game. This isn't even his worst one. LOL

[BigBalla44]

he did the same thing in 1986...was he not the same Jordan when he scored 63?

in 1995 he scored 55 in the Garden..was he not "quite" the same?.....

fact is he quit basketball because he lost the "love of the game"....Kobe kept on playing. Mj was actually fresh, and ready to play...but the Bull's had "0" Interior rebounding/defense...the next year they got the best rebounder and defender of his generation (Rodman) and won....Mj had nothing to do with it....after all they didn't really miss him when he was gone.



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Are you on suicide watch?

[AlphaWolf24]

Are you on suicide watch?

:lol naw.....I can appreciate and understand what the Lakers did.

7 NBA Finals in 10 years winning 5 is incredible.....mentally it's draining. remember Jordan quit after winning only 3 because he lost "the love"...

plus as a basketball fan I could never be sad.....I got to watch the greatest basketball ever...the great 80's Magic vs Bird...the purest form ever.

I feel sorry for the kids who only watched the watered down 90's or "No hard fouls" ball in todays era....it's like *****ing with 2 Jimmy's on a fat monster vs bareback on top shelf dime.....


doesn't compare....don't feel bad for Laker fans:lol

[Ikill]

Jordan played 13 years after his last championship Kobes in his 15th year now so i'm sure 09 Kobe could of have raped these Mavs too so i really don't understand the point.

[NBASTATMAN]

The only question now is, can Dallas top the 39 point beatdown Boston gave LA the last time they quit in a playoff elimination game. :oldlol:


Hey when Kobe loses he loses BIG.. He did try to make history.. :oldlol:

[Notorious D.M.C]

if i ever hear another kobe is as good as jordan talk......

put Jordan with the correct Lakers and those guys would still **** it up. You think having Jordan on the team would just make Gasol grow some balls? I doubt i t

[whoartthou]

put Jordan with the correct Lakers and those guys would still **** it up. You think having Jordan on the team would just make Gasol grow some balls? I doubt i t

you are an idiot.

Jordan knew how to build his team up.. kobe just shot jacks and takes his team out of rhythm.

[NBASTATMAN]

put Jordan with the correct Lakers and those guys would still **** it up. You think having Jordan on the team would just make Gasol grow some balls? I doubt i t


Gasol was the man in last years playoffs.. Kobe just needs to take a backseat.. I think kobe needs to come off the bench.. He can't defend for shit.. Gasol was bad but Bynum wasn't.. Kobe was just bad too..

[R3AL NY BaLLeR]

If you wanna talk shit bout KObe after this series u dont kno nothing about basketball

[Bone Machine]

In all honesty, Jordan with the Lakers now wouldn't have won game 4. He would have scored more than 17 points but damn... Wtf would he have done with the Mavs making 20 3s today?

[zay_24]

you are an idiot.

Jordan knew how to build his team up.. kobe just shot jacks and takes his team out of rhythm.
Which is why he never won without pippen

[bond10]

Which is why he never won without pippen

Jordan MADE Pippen.

[NBASTATMAN]

In all honesty, Jordan with the Lakers now wouldn't have won game 4. He would have scored more than 17 points but damn... Wtf would he have done with the Mavs making 20 3s today?


Dude mj would have never choked away game 1 and the series would have been totally different.. Forget about the rest.. Kobe has wet the bed a couple of times... Dude and his team had a huge lead vs the Mavs in game one...

Now all of a sudden THE MAVS ARE THIS GREAT TEAM.. They had more problems with the BLAZERS THAN THE LAKERS...:roll:



SWEEEEEEEEP

[juju151111]

http://i51.tinypic.com/9bj3vn.gif

:roll:

[Boston C's]

Which is why he never won without pippen

you sir are an idiot...jordan dominated way before pippen was with him or any good. BTW you say this era has better big man?!?!?! lets see today we have dwight, dirk, duncan, shaq,... the 90's you can even add duncan there while having ewing, barkely, olajuwon, robinson, shaq, mutombo, malone, mourning, shaq, etc. and shooters? even more laughable. How about miller, Allen, ritchmond, Rice, Ellis, Mullin, and more...you know nothing about basketball.

[LAClipsFan33]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6960/jordanpippenlaugh.jpg

[d.bball.guy]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6960/jordanpippenlaugh.jpg
:lol

[OldSchoolBBall]

In all honesty, Jordan with the Lakers now wouldn't have won game 4. He would have scored more than 17 points but damn... Wtf would he have done with the Mavs making 20 3s today?

Guarded Terry, for starters.

[HB40TheNextStar]

From November 1990 through June 1998, the Bulls never lost three games in a row with Jordan.

[SinJackal]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6960/jordanpippenlaugh.jpg

:roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Guarded Terry, for starters.


kOBE HAD PROBLEMS WITH KIDD.. You know he didn't want any piece of Terry:lol

[Round Mound]

Yet Jordan still won when Pippen played bad....
Kobe most overrated great player ever

As Far as Career

Bryant has never been dominant or efficient

EFF
PER
+/-
Shot Made/Missed Diferential

He is not Mentioned in the Top 10 of All These Reliable Broken Down Stats of Impact, Efficiency and Domination

Strange hu?

Got Swept having a BIG 3 (GASOL, BYNUM AND ODOM)

Barkley was Better than Kobe ever was

So where many of the 90s greats such as Barkley, Hakeem, Malone, D-Rob- Shaq, Garnett or Duncan

Won`t go into Jordan comparisson because all that Kobe does but maybe Far Range Shooting...Jordan did Better