2011 NBA Draft Combine

[KB2009Champ]

I know u can watch it on espn3 but its not working for me.

Anyone else got a link?

2011 NBA Draft Combine player list: http://insidehoops.com/nba-draft-combine.shtml

[GOBB]

http://espn.go.com/espn3/index

[Perezident]

any other link? I live in the bahamas (outside the US)

[KB2009Champ]

http://espn.go.com/espn3/index

I literally posted that espn3 aint working for me. smh :oldlol:

[GOBB]

Fix your security settings then.

The sites I used to have to link people without cable, living on foreign soil or have strict internet settings have been siezed by Homeland Security unfortunately.

*continues watching combine*

[kaiiu]

none of the top players working out, whats the point.

[GOBB]

none of the top players working out, whats the point.

:rolleyes:

[Theoo's Daddy]

Any help will be appreciated. Thank ya'll.

[AMISTILLILL]

Seconded.

[Rekindled]

espn3.com

[Simple Jack]

its on NBA TV right now.

[KB2009Champ]

Anyone have a comprehensive list? I've read articles where they have the measurements for certain guys but I can't find anything Derrick Williams' measurements.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://espn.go.com/espn3/index#
http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=188393&league=NBA&size=condensed

:cheers: :cheers:

[Theoo's Daddy]

I am. Kanter has gained some muscles from the last time i watched him play. he's bigger.

[insidehoops]

It's live on ESPNU right now

And more will be on NBA TV all afternoon

As with last year, the 2011 NBA Draft Combine is just drills. Running and jumping tests. And other physical and athletic measurements.

And then as for basketball, just shooting drills and stuff, but no actual organized, real games.

Day 1 was a ton of basketball drills
Day 2 is more athletic testing

[Gundress]

Shit is on right now, it's on ESPNUHD channel.

[Gundress]

I guess no one?

Kember Walker looks like John Wall.

[thatoneblackguy]

Link?

[Sakkreth]

Link?

this

[Gundress]

Link?


Sorry, I don't have the link so I guess you have to ask anybody else or searching it.

[Sakkreth]

Sorry, I don't have the link so I guess you have to ask anybody else or searching it.

If I knew what is "ESPNUHD channel" might be easier to search.

I suppose it's some kind of channel of ESPN ?

[SmackOrH.A.K]

If I knew what is "ESPNUHD channel" might be easier to search.

I suppose it's some kind of channel of ESPN ?
Genious boy.

[Samurai Swoosh]

No.

Boring draft class.

And it's boring to watch a combine.

[Sakkreth]

Genious boy.

Yeah I know. But if seriously I just wanted to know if he wrote that correctly.

[PowerGlove]

Do they have classic draft combine footage? Like I would kill for some 03',96' combine vids right now.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

Yeah I know. But if seriously I just wanted to know if he wrote that correctly.
it's like a an ESPN for college sports specifically. idk, why he wrote hd, cuz not everyone gets HD channels.

[Gundress]

Genious boy.


My bad cause I watch in HD.

So it's for college game. ESPNU channel.

[Clippersfan86]

Genious boy.

Making fun of someone else.. but you failed to spell GENIUS correctly? :eek:

[Theoo's Daddy]

The panel was calling out danny ainge for picking avery bradley, they say bradley was never a PG, he's just learning to be one on the fly.

[bagelred]

Shit is on right now, it's on ESPNUHD channel.

Is that shit on? Oh snap. I wanna see that shit. That shit is real.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm watching MFER. Jimmer just went around the world... Not quite as proficient as I would have expected.

[Gundress]

Why isn't Jimmer in top 5?

[Crown&Coke]

Why isn't Jimmer in top 5?

Not many teams are lining up to draft him in the top 5. There are questions regarding his ability to translate his success to the NBA.

But people said the same thing about Gordon Haywood, and he looks like a legit prospect. Keep in mind Haywood is about 6'8 or 6'9", the Jimmer is about 6'1"

[Theoo's Daddy]

Not many teams are lining up to draft him in the top 5. There are questions regarding his ability to translate his success to the NBA.

But people said the same thing about Gordon Haywood, and he looks like a legit prospect. Keep in mind Haywood is about 6'8 or 6'9", the Jimmer is about 6'1"

Most teams are worried about his age and lack of defense.

[The Chosen One]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2011&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

Derrick Williams 6' 7.25" 6' 8.75" 248

[GOBB]

Most teams are worried about his age and lack of defense.

:roll: His age...get real, there are plenty to worry about and his age aint one of them.

[TylerOO]

Why isn't Jimmer in top 5?

His defense is his biggest weakness. And its not like he is Mike Bibby-bad at defense. This kid couldnt cover a picnic table.

[TylerOO]

Wow this guy just cleared the entire 3 step vertical jump leap :eek: :eek: Think it was Keith Benson

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I doubt Utah lets Jimmer slip, but i'd expect the Knicks to take him if he's there at 17

[RedBlackAttack]

There has been much discussion about height/weight of the top players in this coming draft, but combine results prove that a lot of these were total misconceptions.

It had been said that Kyrie Irving's height and reach were going to be a hinderance and that there was no way that he was his listed height of 6-foot-2. Actually, those people were right.... He is 6-foot-3 1/2 in shoes and 191 pounds. That is roughly the same size as Deron Williams and taller, longer and bigger than Brandon Knight.

The only measurable that Knight has on Irving is wingspan, but Irving has the longer reach.


Name, Height w/o shoes, Height w/ shoes, weight, wingspan, reach, body fat, hand length, hand width

Kyrie Irving 6' 1.75" 6' 3.5" 191 6' 4" 8' 3" 10.2 8.25 9.25

Brandon Knight 6' 1.5" 6' 3.25" 177 6' 6.75" 8' 2.5" 4.2 8.25 9.50

Kemba Walker 5' 11.5" 6' 1" 184 6' 3.5" 7' 7.5" 5.9 8 9


Irving is unquestionably the tallest and biggest elite PG prospect in this draft, surprisingly.




The second surprise is Derrick Williams. A lot of people said that, while he was listed at 6-foot-8 in college, he would prove to be shorter than that.

The results are in and, with shoes, Williams is almost 6-foot-9, 250 pounds. He also has a 7-foot-2 wingspan and a 9-foot reach.

More results...

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2011&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

[kaiiu]

Knight looked about 6'5 on T.V and Irving looked about 6'1.

Williams is about what I expected



Player Height w/ Shoes Weight Wing Span Standing Reach
Delonte West 6'1.5" 6'2.75" 183 6'6" 8'3.5"
Kyrie Irving 6'1.75" 6'3.5" 191 6'4" 8'3"
Brandon Knight 6'1.5" 6'3.25" 177 6'6.75" 8'2.5"
Jimmrs Fredette 6'0.75" 6'2.5" 196 6'4.5" 8'0.5"
Kemba Walker 5' 11.5" 6'1" 184 6'3.5" 7'7.5"

Irving is taller than Dwest

[RedBlackAttack]

Actually, I take that back... Deron Williams only measured in at 6-foot-2 3/4 in shoes at his combine. Irving is taller than Williams. Shocking.

[HylianNightmare]

2 isiah thomas'?

[Ikill]

Irving Kanter and Williams all had solid measurements there pretty much lock for top 3 this is how i think it goes
Irving
Kanter
Williams

[Crown&Coke]

wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????

Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that

[Blue&Orange]

Can people stop talking about The Combine, it freaks me out.
Too many Half-life i suppose. :D

[Darkess]

I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.

Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.

[Crown&Coke]

is it me or is all the draft stuff happening sooner than last year??

We had the lottery, then the combine, it seems like next week we will have the draft. Everything is happening so fast to me

[kaiiu]

Irving Kanter and Williams all had solid measurements there pretty much lock for top 3 this is how i think it goes
Irving
Kanter
Williams
I doubt the Jazz draft Kanter, He didnt want to work out for them at first and see Washington, Cavs and T-Wolves are the teams he prefer

[Sicknote]

Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that

I was wondering the same thing.

[GOBB]

is it me or is all the draft stuff happening sooner than last year??

We had the lottery, then the combine, it seems like next week we will have the draft. Everything is happening so fast to me

Draft not until the end of June. Its May buddy, perhaps you advanced your calender ahead by accident. :oldlol:

[Ikill]

I doubt the Jazz draft Kanter, He didnt want to work out for them at first and see Washington, Cavs and T-Wolves are the teams he prefer
Yeah i'm saying he goes second to Twolves

[kaiiu]

Yeah i'm saying he goes second to Twolves
Cool with me. That just leaves Williams at #4

[yobore]

I was wondering the same thing.
it comes down to where your arms start. If you have a big head/long neck then comparing your standing reach to height won't seem as impressive as your wingspan.

[chips93]

I was wondering the same thing.


if you have very wide shoulders, you will have a big wingspan, but a shorter vertical reach

[RedBlackAttack]

wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????

Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that
Sure... Wingspan is the length measured with arms out-stretch to the sides from fingertip to fingertip.

Reach is simply the length of the arm out-stretch above the head, like you are reaching for something, I believe.

So, a person would have a longer wingspan than reach because of having very broad shoulders. Meanwhile, the width of a torso would have nothing to do with a measurement of reach.


I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.

Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.

I believe the measurement with shoes is what the NBA uses as official height... Which is why I used it. If you use the barefoot measurement, it is going to be an unfair barometer when comparing a draft prospect to the listed heights of other NBA players.

For instance, Deron Williams measured in at 6'1.75" in barefeet at the pre-draft combine, but he is listed at 6-foot-3 by the NBA... His rounded up height with shoes.

[Theoo's Daddy]

jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Keith Benson is a sleeper pick in the 2nd round if you ask me, he played in the shitty Summit League, but basically Oakland dominated that conference and the tourney because of him.

[abuC]

wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????

Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that



Reach is dependent more on height of shoulders and overall height, wingspan is how long your arms are and is measured with your arms out to your sides. Blake Griffin and Wade have similar wingspans but Blake is taller so he has a higher reach.

[Crown&Coke]

:cheers: to everyone who clarified the wingspan vs. reach, I get it

[fatboy11]

Why isn't Jimmer in top 5?

Why would he be?

[Scoooter]

Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.

[Crown&Coke]

Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.

that shocked me, seeing the dude is 6'9" 250lbs. 250!!!!

Seeing him in college I though he was 6'7" 230 max compared to other kids on the court. But the guy is much bigger than I anticipated.

[chips93]

Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.


in his interviews he was very adamant that he was a sf, i think hed be much more effective as a pf though. mismatch nightmare at the 4

[Ikill]

jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.
he's also 262 lbs dudes big real big

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.

he's the sleeper in the draft, I hope the knicks draft him but there might be more value at 17 and who knows what donnies thinking right now :facepalm as long as we don't pick morris from michigan

[Ikill]

Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.
yeah .25 shorter wingspan and .5 shorter standing reach but a lot more weight 233 compared to 250

[chips93]

tyler has yet to make any real contributions on a basketball court tho, so i think that may hinder him

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

yeah .25 shorter wingspan and .5 shorter standing reach but a lot more weight 233 compared to 250

Jumpshot is suspect but i don't see him fitting in minny with beasley and love there either

[Ikill]

Jumpshot is suspect but i don't see him fitting in minny with beasley and love there either
no way Minny drafts him maybe Jazz

[Ikill]

in his interviews he was very adamant that he was a sf, i think hed be much more effective as a pf though. mismatch nightmare at the 4
i agree but i think he can play sf and he most likely will because every team in the top 5 is set at pf

[chips93]

no way Minny drafts him maybe Jazz


i think the wolves move the pick.

[Ikill]

i think the wolves move the pick.
I want to see him in Washington

[Crown&Coke]

i agree but i think he can play sf and he most likely will because every team in the top 5 is set at pf

maybe he gets the Thad Young treatment and plays both forward spots? He isn't as athletic as Young but I think he can do it.

If Minny passes on this kid, Kahn just solidified how dumb we all think he is is the truth, maybe understated a little

[Theoo's Daddy]

tyler has yet to make any real contributions on a basketball court tho, so i think that may hinder him

he was playing in japan for coach brian hill formely of orlando magic..

[Ikill]

maybe he gets the Thad Young treatment and plays both forward spots? He isn't as athletic as Young but I think he can do it.

If Minny passes on this kid, Kahn just solidified how dumb we all think he is is the truth, maybe understated a little
actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential

[chips93]

he was playing in japan for coach brian hill formely of orlando magic..

he wasnt even playing in a good japanese league as far as i know. the guy has never proven he can play against any real level of competition. if he gets drafted, its purely on physical tools. not a knock on the guy, just that he is unproven

[GOBB]

actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential

Randolph? :oldlol: What has he done to warrant one to say "I'll pass on Derrick Williams, we have Randolph. Doesnt make sense to add Derrick Williams.". Get real.

It would be dumb not to draft him. Once you do? You open up options to trade the pick in a package for a proven/established player. You open the option to trade down and aquire a need plus include other picks and/or player (whatever the situation is at hand).

Thats the smart thing to do. You dont just pass Derrick Williams up and give the team drafting 3rd overall a gift.

"You guys are welcome but we have Love Beasley and Randolph." :facepalm

[Crown&Coke]

actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential

you think so? The guy hoards pgs, I would think he would hoard hybrid forwards too?

I have a rule, you don't trade a top 3 pick unless you are getting a star in return. I don't count Granger as a star. I don't see Wiliams as a star yet either but at least you get good talent on a cheap contract for 4 years.

And, I highly doubt Minny drafts a top 3 pick ever again based on how Adam Silver responded to Kahn's "compelling storylines" statement.

[Ikill]

Randolph? :oldlol: What has he done to warrant one to say "I'll pass on Derrick Williams, we have Randolph. Doesnt make sense to add Derrick Williams.". Get real.

It would be dumb not to draft him. Once you do? You open up options to trade the pick in a package for a proven/established player. You open the option to trade down and aquire a need plus include other picks and/or player (whatever the situation is at hand).

Thats the smart thing to do. You dont just pass Derrick Williams up and give the team drafting 3rd overall a gift.

"You guys are welcome but we have Love Beasley and Randolph." :facepalm
I'm saying it would be dumb to keep him

[Ikill]

I think Minny should draft kanter

[alexthegr8]

Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.

I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.

[GOBB]

Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.

I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.

They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.

[chips93]

you think so? The guy hoards pgs, I would think he would hoard hybrid forwards too?



i cant believe people are still going with this.

[DStebb716]

I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.

Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.

Well they do happen to wear shoes in the NBA.

[chips93]

They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.

because some guys were huge shoes at the combine that they wont ever wear in a game.

hassan whiteside last yea wore flip flops as shoes and measured only 6-11.5

cole aldrich wore huge shoes and measured 6-11.25

in an actual nba game whiteside will have a much bigger height advantage than the above figures would suggest. as he is 1.5 inches taller barefoot.

thats why barefoot makes more sense.

[RedBlackAttack]

Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.

I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.
It gives you a false barometer, though, when comparing them to current NBA players, whose heights are based on measurements with shoes on. That is why I prefer to look at the shoes measurement. I mean, if you have the barefoot measurement of every player in the NBA, then fine. But, I had to seek out that barefoot measurement for Williams... He is listed at 6-foot-3, even though he was measured at 6'2.75 at the combine with shoes on.

Does that mean Irving will be listed at 6-foot-4?

Regardless, it is shocking to me that Irving and Deron Williams were the same height without shoes. I wasn't even sure that Irving would crack 6' without shoes. Any way you look at it, those measurables were unexpected.

[JMT]

Keith Benson is a sleeper pick in the 2nd round if you ask me, he played in the shitty Summit League, but basically Oakland dominated that conference and the tourney because of him.

In the biggest game of his career he got worked by a Texas frontline that doesn't feature an NBA-ready player.

WAY too skinny. Not saying he might not mature, but he's D League material right now.

[Pinkhearts]

Jeremy Tyler is only 6'9 isn't he? Another Joel Anthony...athletic but no size and skills. Him at center isn't going to do you good and will compete with Joel...

[Pinkhearts]

They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.

The point is for fair comparison. I can wear high heels for my draft combine and you gonna add 3 inches to my height and make me a center?

[KG215]

It gives you a false barometer, though, when comparing them to current NBA players, whose heights are based on measurements with shoes on. That is why I prefer to look at the shoes measurement. I mean, if you have the barefoot measurement of every player in the NBA, then fine. But, I had to seek out that barefoot measurement for Williams... He is listed at 6-foot-3, even though he was measured at 6'2.75 at the combine with shoes on.

Does that mean Irving will be listed at 6-foot-4?

Regardless, it is shocking to me that Irving and Deron Williams were the same height without shoes. I wasn't even sure that Irving would crack 6' without shoes. Any way you look at it, those measurables were unexpected.

I've been hearing a lot of people say they thought Irving was too small or, at least, on the smallish side for an NBA PG. And, like you, I've heard people say they figured he'd measure around 6'0" at the combine without shoes. I remember hearing that Irving was in the 6'2" or 6'3" range coming out of high school but didn't really believe it when I first saw him in a Duke game. Of course it's tough to really judge how tall a player is on TV.

Him being a legit 6'2" means he's got more than adequate size to play PG in the NBA. I still don't know if there are concerns with his toe injury or not. I saw where his body fat was over 10% which isn't exactly great, but it is a little understandable since he sat out almost the entire year.

[Maga_1]

It's happening some kind of Draft Combine now at ESPNU?

[steve]

I've been hearing a lot of people say they thought Irving was too small or, at least, on the smallish side for an NBA PG. And, like you, I've heard people say they figured he'd measure around 6'0" at the combine without shoes. I remember hearing that Irving was in the 6'2" or 6'3" range coming out of high school but didn't really believe it when I first saw him in a Duke game. Of course it's tough to really judge how tall a player is on TV.
I think part of the reason for that is Irving's build is a bit stocky. The last few years, the point guards of similar size who have come out (Rose, Wall, Knight this year) all have a rangier, longer build to them, so in essence, it makes them appear taller. Even a guy like Deron Williams, whose relatively barrel chested, has longer limbs making him appear to be taller than Irving.

[KG215]

I think part of the reason for that is Irving's build is a bit stocky. The last few years, the point guards of similar size who have come out (Rose, Wall, Knight this year) all have a rangier, longer build to them, so in essence, it makes them appear taller. Even a guy like Deron Williams, whose relatively barrel chested, has longer limbs making him appear to be taller than Irving.

Yeah, he definitely doesn't have a "freakish" wingspan. He's only got a 6'4" wingspan and an 8'3" standing-reach.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, he definitely doesn't have a "freakish" wingspan. He's only got a 6'4" wingspan and an 8'3" standing-reach.
...which, once again, are surprising numbers. While the wingspan is shorter than Deron Williams, Irving's reach is actually longer.

Williams' reach -- measured at the combine -- was 8'2".

Let's face it.... Irving doesn't have a single measurable that stacks up poorly against ANY of the elite PGs in the NBA. In fact, his measurables are excellent, across the board.

[Batkins22]

I made highlights of Jimmer at the combine..

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY2Xjc7IgXU