Official offseason trades/signings thread.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Congrats to the Heat... and the refs.

Anyways, it's obvious the Bulls are not going to win with Keith Bogans as their starting shooting guard. Watson plays well but they need a better back up point guard for D-Rose too.

Post any news or thoughts here.

[dak121]

Outside of Rose everyone is pretty much available for the right price (like Dwight Howard)

But being realistic. The front office needs to get serious and creative this summer.

I don't want any college kids learning how to play NBA basketball on a contending team.

They need firepower desperately. Guys like Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis are available for the right price. Look into it.

JR Smith, Crawford, and Jason Richardson are Free Agents. Even Vince Carter would be a decent option to bring off the bench because he can actually shoot the basketball.

The only player that I want the Bulls to bring in are offense-first guys. Thibodeau can coach them to play defense. I am sick of watching Bulls teams that have fewer than 5 capable scorers on the entire roster.

Offense only this offseason.

[nightprowler10]

Man, Jamaal Crawford would be great. I don't know if we can afford him though.

[postmupndunkit]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3awlye5

Bulls get: D. Howard and C. Duhon
Magic get: C. Boozer, T. Gibson, K. Bogans, 2 1st rounders.

[jphoc13]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3awlye5

Bulls get: D. Howard and C. Duhon
Magic get: C. Boozer, T. Gibson, K. Bogans, 2 1st rounders.
That would be a good move. No bad contracts for us and we have several first rounders to give away.

But why would Orlando do that? A bad contract in Boozer....

[jphoc13]

Shooting Guard wise Mayo, Richardson, Butler, Allen, Crawford and Afflalo are good options via free agency. I would prefer to get Allen at a one year deal so we have cap felxibility to land Howard.

That is about all we could do until the regular season starts. Then if Orlando can't keep Howard we then explore trading ANYONE (besides Rose) to get him.

[rob30]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3awlye5

Bulls get: D. Howard and C. Duhon
Magic get: C. Boozer, T. Gibson, K. Bogans, 2 1st rounders.
what if we add noah and take out boozer or gibson, would it still work?

[(e)]

what if we add noah and take out boozer or gibson, would it still work?

Yeah you could make it work with Noah instead. His salary next year will be 10 million. A trade surrounding him for Howard could be easily worked out in terms of matching salaries.

I just feel like IF the Magic decide to trade him, they'll want the team that gets him to take on Gil or Hedo's contract as well.

The FAs I'd like Chicago to take a look at would be Crawford, Nick Young, or Marcus Thornton. All can score the basketball, that's what Chicago needs from the 2 guard, someone else who can create a shot for themselves.

-Alec Burks would be a good fit from the draft, but he's likely a lotto pick so there would have to be some trade go down.

-Marshon Brooks is pretty interesting, he was a senior and is a guy that is definitely able to get his shot off when he wants. He dropped 52 against Notre Dame during the season. 6'5" with a 7'1" wingspan, I'm sure Thibs would have no issues turning him into a reliable defender as well. His stock has been rising a lot lately though - someone who was almost a dead set 2nd rounder is on the verge of being considered a lotto pick from workouts.

-Shelvin Mack could be an interesting pick as well, could potentially grab him with the 30th. He has big game college experience, can shoot the ball as well. I see a Ben Gordon with better ball handling, wouldn't be a bad backup PG and could even use him against smaller 2 guards with how strong he is.

[jphoc13]

Yeah you could make it work with Noah instead. His salary next year will be 10 million. A trade surrounding him for Howard could be easily worked out in terms of matching salaries.

I just feel like IF the Magic decide to trade him, they'll want the team that gets him to take on Gil or Hedo's contract as well.

The FAs I'd like Chicago to take a look at would be Crawford, Nick Young, or Marcus Thornton. All can score the basketball, that's what Chicago needs from the 2 guard, someone else who can create a shot for themselves.

-Alec Burks would be a good fit from the draft, but he's likely a lotto pick so there would have to be some trade go down.

-Marshon Brooks is pretty interesting, he was a senior and is a guy that is definitely able to get his shot off when he wants. He dropped 52 against Notre Dame during the season. 6'5" with a 7'1" wingspan, I'm sure Thibs would have no issues turning him into a reliable defender as well. His stock has been rising a lot lately though - someone who was almost a dead set 2nd rounder is on the verge of being considered a lotto pick from workouts.

-Shelvin Mack could be an interesting pick as well, could potentially grab him with the 30th. He has big game college experience, can shoot the ball as well. I see a Ben Gordon with better ball handling, wouldn't be a bad backup PG and could even use him against smaller 2 guards with how strong he is.
Brooks sounds like an ideal fit. If we draft him then I think we sign a guy like Allen who knows Thibs system and would be a good one year guy to have while Brooks learns it. And we would have two scoreres for next year!

[ConanRulesNBC]

After listening to the radio this afternoon I have to agree that no one on the Bulls team besides Rose is untradeable. I love Deng, Noah and Asik and Taj have shown potential but for the right deal I'd give up anyone on the team not named Derrick Rose.

[M a K o]

Can we even trade for Howard? Perhaps for Noah and Boozer and Orlando dumps Arenas on us. I'd love to see Howard as a Bull but Rose definitely needs a second option and Boozer just isn't cutting it.

[(e)]

After listening to the radio this afternoon I have to agree that no one on the Bulls team besides Rose is untradeable. I love Deng, Noah and Asik and Taj have shown potential but for the right deal I'd give up anyone on the team not named Derrick Rose.

I agree. Rose is definitely untouchable. I'd hate to see Deng or Taj go as well, but if it was for the right player I'd probably change my mind.

I also really liked what I saw out of Brewer, he should of been starting and playing more minutes throughout the Playoffs.

Kyle Korver? :facepalm Shooter my ass, this dude couldn't of hit water if he fell out of a boat.

I'd give up Boozer for almost anything. He's still a good player, but I don't think he's more effective than Taj - and Booz is a liability on defense. That contract doesn't look very attractive though, I think we're stuck with him.

[Crystallas]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3pmfmo7

Just for fun. I hate the trade machine, because you can't add draft picks, and none of it is realistic anyways. So lets have fun.

Rose
Evans
Deng
Horford
Noah

Brewer
Gibson
Korver
Hayward
Watson
Asik
Bogans


Not one, not two..... LOL IDK, I just like high chemistry teams.

[(e)]

Horford and Noah would beast on teams.

So would Rose and Tyreke lol.

[tamaraw08]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3pmfmo7

Just for fun. I hate the trade machine, because you can't add draft picks, and none of it is realistic anyways. So lets have fun.

Rose
Evans
Deng
Horford
Noah

Brewer
Gibson
Korver
Hayward
Watson
Asik
Bogans


Not one, not two..... LOL IDK, I just like high chemistry teams.

What? you want to trade Carlos Boozer?:(
Why would you like to trade Booze, what were the things that Carlos did...and/or he didn't do the past playoffs and regulars that made you think the Bulls are better off without him?

[BASTEY]

What about Andre Igoudala for the SG spot?

[M a K o]

Our only option is to post everywhere about how amazing Boozer is and how much he contributes and people will eventually believe it and then when they trade for him they think they've got a great deal!

[ljsbb27]

Our only option is to post everywhere about how amazing Boozer is and how much he contributes and people will eventually believe it and then when they trade for him they think they've got a great deal!

Trading Boozer will be hard to do. His contract will be hard to move and if we are able to make a trade it would probably bring back an overpaid player who's salary doesn't match his production. Alot of Bulls fans are down on Boozer, but I'm actually on the side that thinks we'd be better off keeping him. He was inconsistent yes without a doubt, but he showed us the player he's capable of being alot of times as well. Hopefully he comes back inspired to prove the doubters wrong and goes into next season with a dedicated mindset in improving in the areas we criticized him for.

[ljsbb27]

What about Andre Igoudala for the SG spot?


I like Iguodala but not at the price he would cost us.

Word is that Philadephia and Golden State are discussing a deal that would send Iguodala to GS in return for Monta Ellis.

The Bulls are also supposedly interested in Ellis but I don't believe that rumor and I hope are management isn't considering it. Ellis is an unbelieable scorer but he's a liability in too many areas for me to think he'd benefit us as a team.

I'll repeat again we need to try to get OJ Mayo. If not Wilson Chandler, JR Smith, Jason Richardson and Marcus Thornton are guys I want us to go after.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Never thought of Wilson Chandler before. I'd like to see that.

[ljsbb27]

I forgot to add Nick Young as well.

If I had to rank them I would put them in the following order:

1. OJ Mayo
2. Wilson Chandler
3. JR Smith
4. Nick Young
5. Jason Richardson
6. Marcus Thornton

[ljsbb27]

I forgot to add Nick Young as well.

If I had to rank them I would put them in the following order:

1. OJ Mayo
2. Wilson Chandler
3. JR Smith
4. Nick Young
5. Jason Richardson
6. Marcus Thornton

Let me repeat I'd be happy with any one of these guys and I feel they would help us in their own unique way and either one of the guys in this group would upgrade our starting 2 guard spot. I'll explain why I ranked them in the order that I did.

1. OJ Mayo is the most complete player on this list, the best ballhandler and would rigt away be our second best play maker.

2. Wilson Chandler is a decent offensive player that can score in a variety of ways but defensively he is extremely versatile. He's done a good job of guarding every position 1-4 in the past. He would make our defense that much better while still being able to knock down shots and score from different spots on the floor.

3. JR Smith is easily the most offensivey talented player on this list and has moments where he shows flashes of being a great defender as well. The knock on him is that he's inconsistent and sometimes shows indications of having attitude problems that lead to negatives with coaches and teammates. I've seen the maturity in him improve though and I think our roster and our coaching staff would help him.

4. Nick Young is a scorer and is very athletic. Has times in games where he just can't miss no matter where he's shooting from. Defensively he doesn't put in the effort but maybe our focus on defense would help that.

5. Jason Richardson is a veteran that would bring us experience and efficient 3-point shooting. The reason he's 5th on my list is because he's much older than the rest of the guys on here and I'd prefer to bring in a guy who's going to grow with our young core.

6. Marcus Thornton is a guy who's extremely competitive and finds a way to put the ball in the basket. My knock on him is that he's a bit undersized and not much of a defender.

[KelticForce1349]

It's going to be a long summer in Bulls land. :(

[Rose]

Out of the 6 you listed I prefer J-rich the most. I think that J-rich can be had for much cheaper right now given how well Marcus played after the all star break....I can't see him being within affordability. J-rich played okay but not great or anything, plus given his age....I could see it happening.

[dee-rose]

The most intriguing guy imo was Iggy, unless Monta Ellis is a legit option for us, but I think he's too pricey. If we can somehow get Iggy, we're golden. We don't need a three point threat, we need a guy to create for himself and others. And seriously, imagine Deng and Iggy on the perimter. Fastbreak points and contested 2's galore.

[M a K o]

To be honest we need a scorer first and foremost and Iggy does not help that. Sure he's an elite defender but are we really gonna defend the other teams to death? We need to score and the best player available to do that is Ellis.

The best players on your list are Mayo, Thornton and JR Smith. I doubt Smith would return to Chicago but maybe Mayo would be a good deal, but we'd have to deal Gibson or Asik and I'd rather not lose them

[ljsbb27]

To be honest we need a scorer first and foremost and Iggy does not help that. Sure he's an elite defender but are we really gonna defend the other teams to death? We need to score and the best player available to do that is Ellis.

The best players on your list are Mayo, Thornton and JR Smith. I doubt Smith would return to Chicago but maybe Mayo would be a good deal, but we'd have to deal Gibson or Asik and I'd rather not lose them

I think we can get Mayo without giving up Gibson or Asik. We would most certainly have to give up our Charlotte pick though. I think a few fans are putting too much value into the Bobcats draft pick that we received. Sure it may end up being a good pick down the road but we have a team that can win now so we shouldn't wait in my opinion. The Grizzlies wanted some shooters so maybe Korver, Bobcats pick, and the 30th pick might get it done.

If that happened we would definately have to find a way to replace Korver's shooting by adding another shooter somehow.

[ljsbb27]

Grant Hill and Troy Murphy are two veterans that I think would be perfect fits into our team, add quality experience and fill some needs all at the same time. Grant Hill would be a great backup for Deng. Troy Murphy would be a guy that could get into the big man rotation and provide some spacing for Rose and others since he can shoot from three as a stretch big man.

[CHi1PriDe]

I forgot to add Nick Young as well.

If I had to rank them I would put them in the following order:

1. OJ Mayo
2. Wilson Chandler
3. JR Smith
4. Nick Young
5. Jason Richardson
6. Marcus Thornton

not a bad list at all, but I'd probably have to add aaron afflalo ahead of jrich.. Dude's young, plays D, good work ethic and is a very good shooter. He'd probably just have to work on getting his own shot a bit more. Unfortunately, hes a restricted fa :(

[ljsbb27]

So i've seen some rumors about Chicago working a deal with Orlando and it doesn't involve Dwight Howard.

Supposedly they're talking about Carlos Boozer and CJ Watson for Jameer Nelson, Earl Clark, and Brandon Bass plus another piece or two to make the numbers match up.

Just throwing this out there. I have no idea how legitimate it is.

[Crystallas]

I would put Chandler at #1, because he would be priced right, and he's a swing. I kind of rate these guys based on cost to acquire/performance + fit + futures.
#2. Afflalo
#3. Young
#4. Mayo
#5. J-Rich
#6. Thornton
#7. Allen
#8. Alec Burks
#9. Vujacic
#10. C. Lee
#11. M. Brooks
#12. E. Gordon
#13. Iguodala
#14. R. Fernandez
#15. Resign* Butler
#16.. S. Brown
#17. --cut off---
#18. J.R. Smith(for the love of god, NO!! Last year I didnt want Boozer over David Lee and/or Al-Jeff, ya'll looked at me funny. This year I put my foot down on this clown.)

[Rose]

So i've seen some rumors about Chicago working a deal with Orlando and it doesn't involve Dwight Howard.

Supposedly they're talking about Carlos Boozer and CJ Watson for Jameer Nelson, Earl Clark, and Brandon Bass plus another piece or two to make the numbers match up.

Just throwing this out there. I have no idea how legitimate it is.
I've hard that too except it's either this

Arenas+bass for Boozer. Which I instantly do

Or

Nelson, Clark, Bass, Redick. For CJ Watson Boozer, and one of the firsts. personally....I think both deals make us better instantly. BUT The thing I dislike about the Nelson deal is we still don't get a guy who can make his own shot. Which I really really dislike.

[tamaraw08]

I would put Chandler at #1, because he would be priced right, and he's a swing. I kind of rate these guys based on cost to acquire/performance + fit + futures.
#2. Afflalo
#3. Young
#4. Mayo
#5. J-Rich
#6. Thornton
#7. Allen
#8. Alec Burks
#9. Vujacic
#10. C. Lee
#11. M. Brooks
#12. E. Gordon
#13. Iguodala
#14. R. Fernandez
#15. Resign* Butler
#16.. S. Brown
#17. --cut off---
#18. J.R. Smith(for the love of god, NO!! Last year I didnt want Boozer over David Lee and/or Al-Jeff, ya'll looked at me funny. This year I put my foot down on this clown.)

Pretty good list.
I simplified mine to the main needs like ability to really play defense and knock down perimeter shots
so my main priorities will be Afflalo, Courtney Lee, then Mayo.
I love Eric Gordon's offense and youth and I think he is a decent defender, followed by Chandler but I think Bulls would have to give up a lot to get Eric, same with Igoudala.
I'll be ok with J Rich, Thornton, Young and R. Fernandez and would be very nervous with JR Smith.

[ljsbb27]

What I've been reading is that the Bulls (probably like every other NBA team) are waiting for the new CBA to make any more moves, but it seems like the Bulls are going to be extremely agressive and active as soon as something is in place. I hope the owners and players compromise and come to an agreement soon.

I think the Bulls will try to get OJ Mayo first.

I would offer Korver, Bogans, the Charlotte pick, and a future 1st for him.

This may get it done.

If not then I think they will go for one of the free agents that we've all listed. We all have a few differences on who are top preferences are, but alot of us agree on particular guys on the top of our wish lists that we think can come in here and really help our team. Hopefully the Bulls find a way to bring in one of those guys to be our starting SG.

[bletchley]

this one seems very fair for each team , isn't it ?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3eewu4x

[BASTEY]

We would be dumb to accept this trade. We don't need any of them. Asik is more important than Bass, Duhon & Ball all together. Also a stupid move for Utah. Why giving up their best player Al Jefferson and getting bad contracts (Turkoglu, Korver). The only winner in this trade would be Orlando.

[Go Getter]

I like Courtney Lee's game but idk, I'd really like a full time starting 2 guard (for our Bulls) and he seems a little "light in the ass" to fit the bill.

[tamaraw08]

I like Courtney Lee's game but idk, I'd really like a full time starting 2 guard (for our Bulls) and he seems a little "light in the ass" to fit the bill.

If you can elaborate about your comment bec Im not sure what you meant. I tried googling your comment and it gave me 3-4 different meanings.
one said, being insufficient, another meant being too small etc.
Lee maybe not a great "playmaker"/efficient scorer etc but he is an accurate shooter and a very good defender. Other FA Sgs are better offensive players but they could be defensive liabilities.
About being too small, somebody here pointed out how Jason Terry is not exactly tall and physical yet, he proved adequate by also making his defender work on defense.

[ljsbb27]

If you can elaborate about your comment bec Im not sure what you meant. I tried googling your comment and it gave me 3-4 different meanings.
one said, being insufficient, another meant being too small etc.
Lee maybe not a great "playmaker"/efficient scorer etc but he is an accurate shooter and a very good defender. Other FA Sgs are better offensive players but they could be defensive liabilities.
About being too small, somebody here pointed out how Jason Terry is not exactly tall and physical yet, he proved adequate by also making his defender work on defense.

I also like Courtney Lee's game, but I also agree that he's not the piece we need to bring a championship to Chicago. Would he be an upgrade? Absolutely. He would fit in very nicely with our core and give us some of what we need but he wouldn't take us to the top.

We need a guy who can play almost as good defensively, but give us some more versatility offensively. A guy who can create off the dribbe for himself and also provide the team with some playmaking. I wouldn't be entirely upset if Courtney Lee was our starter at the beginning of the season (whenever that is) but it would require the rest of our roster coming back having much improved their individual games and the coaching staff coming into the new season with an extended playbook.

That is all very well possiblem, but we would increase our chances if we acquired a guy that can give us more overall than Courtney Lee.

I expect D.Rose to come back even better next season.
I expect our SG position to be upgraded regardless of who is brought in.
I expect Deng to stay consistent, but get more rest and be better.
I expect Boozer to stay the same but be more included offensively.
I expect Noah to bring same energy and hopefully more offensive moves.

I expect the coaching staff to have a playbook with more substance and with plays to better fit our players.

I expect the bench to have even more depth and give us another great year.

Calculating all those factors and simplifying what I think we can accomplish...I like our chances. We made it to the ECF this year.
Taking into consideration where i'm pretty sure we will imrove along with the idea that the front office knows they need to get us a SG we will be contenders again with a higher chance of winning it all.

[Unstoppabull]

I expect we can get an SG that can create alongside D-Rose/

[ljsbb27]

I also like Courtney Lee's game, but I also agree that he's not the piece we need to bring a championship to Chicago. Would he be an upgrade? Absolutely. He would fit in very nicely with our core and give us some of what we need but he wouldn't take us to the top.

We need a guy who can play almost as good defensively, but give us some more versatility offensively. A guy who can create off the dribbe for himself and also provide the team with some playmaking. I wouldn't be entirely upset if Courtney Lee was our starter at the beginning of the season (whenever that is) but it would require the rest of our roster coming back having much improved their individual games and the coaching staff coming into the new season with an extended playbook.

That is all very well possiblem, but we would increase our chances if we acquired a guy that can give us more overall than Courtney Lee.

I expect D.Rose to come back even better next season.
I expect our SG position to be upgraded regardless of who is brought in.
I expect Deng to stay consistent, but get more rest and be better.
I expect Boozer to stay the same but be more included offensively.
I expect Noah to bring same energy and hopefully more offensive moves.

I expect the coaching staff to have a playbook with more substance and with plays to better fit our players.

I expect the bench to have even more depth and give us another great year.

Calculating all those factors and simplifying what I think we can accomplish...I like our chances. We made it to the ECF this year.
Taking into consideration where i'm pretty sure we will imrove along with the idea that the front office knows they need to get us a SG we will be contenders again with a higher chance of winning it all.


It's been extremely quite around here lately.
Has there not been any updates or news?
Or are people just not posting for whatever reason?

Only thing I've read lately was that DRose has been hard at work for most of the offseason. He took a short bit of time off for himself, but then got right to work. Has played in some exhibition/summer games and has been on a promotional tour for Addidas.

In regards to his game he's still been working on his 3-point shot, perfecting his mid-range game, and has also been working on his post-game alot. He's also been lifting weights... something he says he hasn't done much of since high school.

Any news on the rest of the guys?

Deng playing for Great Britain...
Noah playing for France...

I want this lockout to be over

[ConanRulesNBC]

When I made this I was really hoping by now we would be getting ready for preseason to start and the Bulls would have traded for a shooting guard or pulled off some amazing trade and gotten Dwight Howard. :cry:

[ljsbb27]

Hopefully they can make a deal. IF they do then atleast we won't have to wait that long to find out what players we will add because signings will be happening right way.