Sixers, Nuggets reach agreement for Iverson

[04mzwach]

great...now the t-wolves really have a chance to win their division. WOO HOO! (sarcasm)

[jahoutkast]

You heard it here first: Denver will NOT contend for a title anytime in the foreseeable future. There is no way they are going to touch actual TEAMS such as Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix. All they have is an entire squad of talented, selfish punks. Guys like Melo and Iverson are ridiculously good, but have no idea what it means to set aside there own egos in order to play team basketball. This will definitely be an entertaining bunch to watch--I'll say that much.

[MTing]

everyone is forgetting the steal of the trade

Ivan McFarlin

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:oldlol:

[okpimpin1082]

You heard it here first: Denver will NOT contend for a title anytime in the foreseeable future. There is no way they are going to touch actual TEAMS such as Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix. All they have is an entire squad of talented, selfish punks. Guys like Melo and Iverson are ridiculously good, but have no idea what it means to set aside there own egos in order to play team basketball. This will definitely be an entertaining bunch to watch--I'll say that much.


They'll still have to contend with the Mavs(matchups/depth), and Suns(Depth). These teams are Kryptonite for the Nuggets.


SA won't have Duncan forever....... Bruce Bowen can't guard AI, JR Smith and Melo all at once and what little good Robert Horry does won't be available after this year, because he's retiring. Nene can handle Duncan, but who does SA have that can stop K-Mart and Camby from hogging all the boards. If Duncan plays C, who's the PF.

[gts]

this is one of the few trades where nobody gets better... 76ers lost iverson who was a pain but he was thier best player...
nuggets now have the pain, the guy who is a 42% shooter can't work with a coach, hates to practice and is a ball hog of the top order.... melos numbers will decline and the nuggets will tumble...

[IBALL.]

I love the trade but the potential bigger picture could be the Nuggets eventually trading Carmelo Anthony if he doesn't get it together(hopefully he will but this is strike 2) because he did cost the Nuggets organization $500,000 and probably the season (pre-trade) w/ "the sucker-punch" and add that to the FACT that they almost TRADED Carmelo to Seattle for Ray Allen 2 years ago. Just something to think about.

[9spurs]

All I can say is:

What the **** is up with that HAIR:

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3331.jpg

LMFAO :lol:

[9spurs]

I love the trade but the potential bigger picture could be the Nuggets eventually trading Carmelo Anthony if he doesn't get it together(hopefully he will but this is strike 2) because he did cost the Nuggets organization $500,000 and probably the season (pre-trade) w/ "the sucker-punch" and add that to the FACT that they almost TRADED Carmelo to Seattle for Ray Allen 2 years ago. Just something to think about.

No WAY Nuggets trading Melo anytime soon. You can count on that.

[DwadeOverLebron]

how do yall think this will effect jr smiths scoring, cuz the mans been killen it for me in fantasy.

[wally_world]

Sixers could have asked for abit more...

[9spurs]

how do yall think this will effect jr smiths scoring, cuz the mans been killen it for me in fantasy.

For sure man, he points might go down to 9-12

[Y2Gezee]

JR could possibly score 12ppg, less than that? Not a chance. Probably 15.

[Kblaze8855]

I just noticed that Philly had the 5th toughest schedule inthe NBA and Denver had the 29th. The second easiest schedule so far is Denver. That plus the suspensions could equal a real hard rest of the season. Expectations may not be met just yet.

Philly might have a little bump in record when they face all their bad teams. Denver stil has al ot of good teams to play. Only team who has played as many teams with bad records is the Cavs.

[GOBB]

Sixers better keep on losing. :mad:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I love the trade but the potential bigger picture could be the Nuggets eventually trading Carmelo Anthony if he doesn't get it together(hopefully he will but this is strike 2) because he did cost the Nuggets organization $500,000 and probably the season (pre-trade) w/ "the sucker-punch" and add that to the FACT that they almost TRADED Carmelo to Seattle for Ray Allen 2 years ago. Just something to think about.
Carmelo Anthony, at 22 years old, is leading the NBA in scoring at 31.6 points per game. He could have stabbed Nate Robinson and they'd still keep him. He did not cost the team trhat half-mil by himself and brings in much more than that in revenue for the team anyway. And I for one have never heard of this Ray Allen trade. Unless you can link to a quote with George Karl or someone at his level in the organization saying that I don't believe a word of it.

[Da KO King]

Hold on a second. Here's a good excuse. There are better teams. You say yourself that you don't expect this team to make the Finals. If his team isn't expected to make the Finals, then he doesn't need an excuse to not reach the Finals more than once. Iverson has never been on a team that was a pre-season favorite to make it to the Finals. Therefore he has already exceeded expectations.This has never stopped Kevin Garnett's critics.

AI will unfairly be tossed onto the "loser" pile with so many others who just weren't on team good enough to get it done.

[IBALL.]

Carmelo Anthony, at 22 years old, is leading the NBA in scoring at 31.6 points per game. He could have stabbed Nate Robinson and they'd still keep him. He did not cost the team trhat half-mil by himself and brings in much more than that in revenue for the team anyway. And I for one have never heard of this Ray Allen trade. Unless you can link to a quote with George Karl or someone at his level in the organization saying that I don't believe a word of it.

Clearly you must have just started watching the NBA because any real NBA fan knows that before the trade deadline of the '04-'05 season that newly acquired head coach George Karl (combined w/ the negative reaction of the Stop Snitchin' DVD surrounding Carmelo Anthony(strike 1) AND Denver's 1st round exit in the playoffs v Spurs the previous year) felt that Denver (in addition to Kenyon Martin (pre-injury) not being involved much in the offense at the time)needed a proven shooter/scorer/good guy(a red-hot Ray Allen at the time)to make Denver a legit title contender. ESPN AND THEIR GAME BROADCASTERS (Greg Anthony,Legs ,etc.) discussed this a FEW times during that time period('04-'05). Also you are picturing Carmelo Anthony's game now ('06) as opposed to then ('04-'05) and evidently the Nuggets felt the same way about needing a shooter (enter JR Smith) for the 'chise because they felt Carmelo can take them only so far. Matters not if you believe it or not. TRUE FANS don't need links.
Also 500 grand is alot of money (any smart businessman knows this to be true) for an unnecessary sucker- punch (strike 2) and the Nuggets DO NOT sell-out games so the real revenue will be made w/ A.I.(BEST move Nuggets made) please believe it. TRUE FANS STILL DON'T NEED LINKS.

[Da KO King]

I think people are seriously over looking the impact of the suspension on this trade.

For all the talk of Iverson being a playmaker it will not happen for the next 14 games. Until Carmelo comes back Allen will actually be doing the same in Denver as he did in Philadelphia.

That means that when Melo does return he more than likely will be the guy that has to fit in, not Iverson.

Iverson is more established, has more experience, a bigger contract, and will have been the most important player on the team for a significant number of games.

With all that plus Iverson's career up to this point in mind I just don't see him handing the steering wheel to Carmelo one the suspension is up.

[final.wrath]

i disagree. it's not like allen will be the only good player on the team like he was in philly. he's got Camby, boykins, and some good roleplayers like najera and diawara.

besides, in this offense he won't be holding on to the ball the whole time. or at least he shouldn't be. mostly his duties will be to run the fast break after stops. i expect it will take him a couple of games to adjust but I don't see any long term problems after carmelo gets back.

[niko]

Clearly you must have just started watching the NBA because any real NBA fan knows that before the trade deadline of the '04-'05 season that newly acquired head coach George Karl (combined w/ the negative reaction of the Stop Snitchin' DVD surrounding Carmelo Anthony(strike 1) AND Denver's 1st round exit in the playoffs v Spurs the previous year) felt that Denver (in addition to Kenyon Martin (pre-injury) not being involved much in the offense at the time)needed a proven shooter/scorer/good guy(a red-hot Ray Allen at the time)to make Denver a legit title contender. ESPN AND THEIR GAME BROADCASTERS (Greg Anthony,Legs ,etc.) discussed this a FEW times during that time period('04-'05). Also you are picturing Carmelo Anthony's game now ('06) as opposed to then ('04-'05) and evidently the Nuggets felt the same way about needing a shooter (enter JR Smith) for the 'chise because they felt Carmelo can take them only so far. Matters not if you believe it or not. TRUE FANS don't need links.
Also 500 grand is alot of money (any smart businessman knows this to be true) for an unnecessary sucker- punch (strike 2) and the Nuggets DO NOT sell-out games so the real revenue will be made w/ A.I.(BEST move Nuggets made) please believe it. TRUE FANS STILL DON'T NEED LINKS.

that was bull**** espn started the rumor and espn discussed the rumor. theres a million things like that during the year. im sure george karl did mention it cause thats how he is. and im sure kiki did this... :oldlol:

any REAL fan knows enough that the espn guys are full of **** often, and that 75% of the rumors (at least) are just that, rumors. regardless of the discussion level.

[IBALL.]

that was bull**** espn started the rumor and espn discussed the rumor. theres a million things like that during the year. im sure george karl did mention it cause thats how he is. and im sure kiki did this... :oldlol:

any REAL fan knows enough that the espn guys are full of **** often, and that 75% of the rumors (at least) are just that, rumors. regardless of the discussion level.

Exactly my point (the fact that they even discussed it) and I know some rumors are more true than others but fact is:
1: Iverson has 3 years left on his contract(not to mention the fact that A.I. is financially more popular than Melo. Fan voted All Star game starter and higher jersey and tix sales,etc.)
2: Melo signed a 3 instead of 5 yr extension (which coincides w/ Camby's contract expiring) to see how the Nuggets progress Championship wise (which was very smart on his part).
3: Kiki is no longer there and who knows what deals Rex Chapman will be willing to do to improve the team (financially and/or winning wise) especially closer to the expiring of Melo's and Camby's contracts, you take a chance on losing him to free agency if team doesn't win a title by then.
4: X-Factor: J.R. Smith...who knows how good/great he could become because he definitely can shoot better than Melo but he doesn't have that dog in him like Melo does. He has the tools (but does he have the desire to use them to succeed and his contract is up in 2 yrs). FREE AGENCY is the biggest X-Factor so who knows what NBA player could be the guy to get said team the NBA title.
5: Winning=marketability=sales=profits (unless you have a ONCE in a lifetime player like MJ,Shaq,A.I.etc. status then replace the winning part of the equation w/ said player). Business never personal.

[dhenk]

:lol

[Yung D-Will]

A.i needs to settle down and get a championship because personally I belive he deserves it after being traded too much in his career and every year continuing to be a NBA top scorer and has not gotten a Title yet. It would be a shame for a player of his Caliber to leave the league like that. To go that far and now have anything to show for it would be disappointing.

[Manute for Ever!]

A.i needs to settle down and get a championship because personally I belive he deserves it after being traded too much in his career and every year continuing to be a NBA top scorer and has not gotten a Title yet. It would be a shame for a player of his Caliber to leave the league like that. To go that far and now have anything to show for it would be disappointing.

He isn't the first, won't be the last. And he has only been traded twice in 12 years.

[Yung D-Will]

He isn't the first, won't be the last. And he has only been traded twice in 12 years.

Yea your right i kinda over exagerated on the trade thing but, I know he's not the first and won't be the last but I personally think he deserves it even though i've never been a fan of any team he's been on.