Sixers, Nuggets reach agreement for Iverson

[statman32]

Done deal: http://www.insidehoops.com/iverson-trade-121906.shtml

Nuggets get: G Allen Iverson and F Ivan McFarlin
76ers get: G Andre Miller, F Joe Smith and two first round draft picks

[All Net]

good timing

[statman32]

lol i guess no one cares...seems to be a decent trade for 76ers...not sure when millers contract expires though

nuggets gonna be sick when melo gets back

melo,iverson,camby

[GOBB]

Denver is my new team. :banana:

[Faufner]

Not suprising. Good deal for both teams i'd say.

[wang4three]

Not a bad trade at all. Though Andre Miller has been great this year.

[kwajo]

Denver will be scary when JR and Melo come back. They have a very good center in Camby too, but I can't see that group knocking off Suns/Spurs/Mavs

[JalenRawley]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2702501

All I can say is:

What the **** is up with that HAIR:

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3331.jpg

[A Roc 23]

AI
JR Smith
Melo
Nene
Camby

****!

[sixerfan3511]

great trade! we get a pure pg, an expirer and 2 first rounders, great job billy king! good luck to ai for the rest of his career, thanks for everything

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Seems like a good deal for the Sixers. They want to develope their swingmen so getting a good point guard to set them up is a must. Also the 2 draft picks and the expirer always helps. Would probably be nicer if Miller expired next year still a good deal though.

For the Nugs I wonder if this means that Julius Hodge can finaly get a little PT as a combo guard doing a little distributing beside AI? Dude looked so good as a Wolfpack he has to be able to do something for the Nugs.

[Kblaze8855]

AI at the point or the 2? Watkins still on the team? What about Boykins?

AI/Boyins
JR
Melo
Kmart/Nene
Camby

Could be great next season when Martin is back. Wont play defense though.

[statman32]

two go to scorers on one team...i guess itll be fun to watch...would have rather saw him team up with garnett....but this aint bad

[NugzFan]

woohoo!!

[A Roc 23]

Highest scoring trio ever?

I know their scoring will go down but they must average about 79 points between the 3 of them. :eek:

[Sharas]

good deal, really doubt 76ers could do better in this situation when they openly admitted that they're desperate. they get good pass first pg who'll make iggy and carney better without taking too many shots, an expirer in smith (also still a decent player for this season), and two picks in really stacked draft. does anyone know whose picks that originally are? are they lottery bound or more like end of first round?

[wTFaMonkey]

i think i just skeeted... again

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: nuggets. it just makes the west that more dominant

[kwajo]

isn't one of the picks the Raps? or am I still living in the Tracy Murray/Keon Clark trade days?

[A Roc 23]

isn't one of the picks the Raps? or am I still living in the Tracy Murray/Keon Clark trade days?

Only pick the Raptors owe is to the Bobcats.

[2LeTTeRS KD]

I want to say it was Denver's own pick as well as the Mavs pick. Anybody able to back me up?

http://nbadraft.net/trades.asp

[statman32]

the two picks are dallas and denvers...checked on realz gm

[2LeTTeRS KD]

isn't one of the picks the Raps? or am I still living in the Tracy Murray/Keon Clark trade days?

Don't think so I only think the only pick you guys owe anybody goes to us in Charlotte whenever you make the playoffs.

[kwajo]

Only pick the Raptors owe is to the Bobcats.
oh okay, forgive me, I'm so in the past that I still look for Charles Oakley every time I turn on a Raptors game

[PMshooter]

Let's see what Allen does with a legit scorer to pass to.

[A Roc 23]

the two picks are dallas and denvers...checked on realz gm

So roughly the 27th and 20-26th pick.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Two first round picks is an ok deal. If they continue to be bad (and they probably will) they'll have one high-lottery pick and two lower picks in what could be a deep draft. With Igoudala and Louis Williams already on board they're set up for a decent rebuilding process.

All I can say is:

What the **** is up with that HAIR:

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3331.jpg
I was going to point that out myself.

[bigkingsfan]

So who's going to be Batman and Robin? Scoring wise.

[All Net]

Anyone think Iverson will play tomorrow?

[saKf]

The new Sixers are about to look a lot like the old Cavaliers.

Andre Miller getting 10 assists a game, getting like four or five guys in double figures every night, and still losing.

[statman32]

Anyone think Iverson will play tomorrow?
i hope not....ah ****

[bonez26]

Oh man this is gonna stunt Carmelo's growth. Will there be enough shot's to go around for both to co exist? Makes you wonder

[kwajo]

The new Sixers are about to look a lot like the old Cavaliers.

Andre Miller getting 10 assists a game, getting like four or five guys in double figures every night, and still losing.
Tyrone Hill is back on the Sixers then?
http://www.cavshistory.com/images/players/Tyrone_Hill.jpg

[GOBB]

Rich Bucher hating saying he doesnt like the deal. AI wont work well with Melo. He sounds like some idiot posters in this topic. :oldlol:

[Qwyjibo]

The new Sixers are about to look a lot like the old Cavaliers.

Andre Miller getting 10 assists a game, getting like four or five guys in double figures every night, and still losing.

Time to get Lamond Murray to Philly so he can get back to his 16 ppg days.

[A Roc 23]

i hope not....ah ****

There is probably VERY little chance that Iverson plays tomorrow. The trade hasn't even gone through. There is paper work and physicals to do. Plus according to Jeff the deal might include another team which would probably take awhile to go through legally.

[Sharas]

The new Sixers are about to look a lot like the old Cavaliers.

Andre Miller getting 10 assists a game, getting like four or five guys in double figures every night, and still losing.

this season, probably...but they're getting three first rounders in most hyped draft class for some time (along with 2003). also, it's make it or break it for iggy, dalembert, korver, green and so on. if there's any true potential in them, this will bring it out.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Should have gone to the Wolves :(

[SupermanOnSteroids]

the happiest man after that trade has to be Gilbo. He now has a clear shot at the scoring title.

Kobe would be happy too, but he knows that it just got a whole lot tougher in the West. AI is going to destroy the Lakers's biggest weakness - PGs.

[NugzFan]

Rich Bucher hating saying he doesnt like the deal. AI wont work well with Melo. He sounds like some idiot posters in this topic. :oldlol:

agreed.

[NugzFan]

Should have gone to the Wolves :(

why?

[Se]

I see Iverson averaging 23 and 8 in Denver.

Once they click, they are going to be damn good.

CT: Camby/ Nene
PF: Najera/ Evans
SF: Anthony/ Kleiza
SG: Smith/ Diawara
PG: Iverson/ Boykins

Now if they could just move Boykins for a good passing/ defending back up point.

Charlie Bell
Earl Watson
Marcus Banks
Brevin Knight
Chris Duhon
Jamal Tinsley
Marquis Daniels
Steve Blake?
Derek Fisher (perfect IMO)

[A Roc 23]

this season, probably...but they're getting three first rounders in most hyped draft class for some time (along with 2003). also, it's make it or break it for iggy, dalembert, korver, green and so on. if there's any true potential in them, this will bring it out.

The problem is most of the best players are all SG/SF, which they have a ton of already. Also,

[NugzFan]

the happiest man after that trade has to be Gilbo. He now has a clear shot at the scoring title.

if thats what concerns arenas the most, too bad. id want my main star to want to win more than anything else.

[XxNeXuSxX]

why?
KG+AI>>>>Melo+AI

Plus, I'm a fan.

[A Roc 23]

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[saKf]

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[BFRESH44]

Honestly, a great trade both ways

[Se]

[QUOTE=A Roc 23]The problem is most of the best players are all SG/SF, which they have a ton of already. Also,

[NugzFan]

KG+AI>>>>Melo+AI

Plus, I'm a fan.

if thats the case, ai should goto cleveland. bron>kg.

bad logic.

[saKf]

Woe to thee, high playoff seeds of the West!

Some team is going to face Allen Iverson with a legit scorer and a defensive, rebounding-oriented frontcourt next to him in the first round.

The Nuggets could really mess someone up.

[IlliniFan]

[QUOTE=Se

[saKf]

if thats the case, ai should goto cleveland. bron>kg.

bad logic.
I think he's saying they mesh better, which I also believe to be true.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I made a Boykins-for-Banks thread yesterday. Seems to make some sense for both sides to me.
Boykins, Barbosa, and Nash all on the same team is a small scorer overload. I don't see how that makes Phoenix better. That's one team that needs no help scoring on the perimeter.

[NugzFan]

Definately. They should've kept Watson!

The Nuggets don't really have anyone to distribute the ball in a pass-first manner. Boykins is a 5'6'' SG basically. AI is a scorer 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a passer 4th. I see them being a great team, but will they be able to beat the Suns, Mavs and Spurs? I'm not sure they can.

agreed but at least we have a CHANCE at beating them. before we had 0 chance. now we have that potential to be great unlike before.

when you have the chance at an ALL TIME GREAT and all you give up is basially dre (who i liked) you gotta try.

[GOBB]

Andre Miller remaining salary = 9.3mil, 9.6mil, 9.9mil

I dunno how to look at that. Guess its ok.

I love the 3 first round picks in 2007. :applause:


Greg Oden/Durant/B.Wright

then Tyler Hansborough, Acie Law

[MaxFly]

This is a great trade for the Nuggets, and the Sixers didn't fare to badly either. Also, this can't come at a better time for the Nuggets. The West just got a little more interesting.

[adamcz]

The Sixers are all but assured a top 5 pick this year. Now that they can add two more picks to the pot, they have a great shot at Oden (trading 3 picks for him), should he come out.

Having Miller on the team is terrific. He won't make you win too many games, but he will keep the offense on track. There aren't supposed to be too many point guards in the draft anyway, so his long contract isn't a negative.

[XxNeXuSxX]

if thats the case, ai should goto cleveland. bron>kg.

bad logic.
No it's not.


High-low presence>>>2 perimeter players

[PromisedLand]

Don't people realize both draft picks will be in the 25-30 range? That's pretty crappy, even for the 2007 draft. I think Denver wins this trade.

[MaxFly]

Don't people realize both draft picks will be in the 25-30 range? That's pretty crappy, even for the 2007 draft. I think Denver wins this trade.

Yes, that's certainly something to take into account.

[adamcz]

Don't people realize both draft picks will be in the 25-30 range? That's pretty crappy, even for the 2007 draft. I think Denver wins this trade.
The **** they will be. You think Denver and Golden State are both going to be top 6 teams, record-wise?

EDIT - actually I guess one of the picks is from Dallas? If that's true, that will be 25-30. The Denver pick won't be so high though.

[saKf]

Boykins, Barbosa, and Nash all on the same team is a small scorer overload. I don't see how that makes Phoenix better. That's one team that needs no help scoring on the perimeter.
Phoenix gets a smaller version of Eddie House, who they no longer have and who was able to get them back into games at points.

It's not about offense, though - it's about saving money. Phoenix regrets Banks' contract and it is interested in moving him. Boykins expires after next season.

[Sharas]

Don't people realize both draft picks will be in the 25-30 range? That's pretty crappy, even for the 2007 draft. I think Denver wins this trade.

but still, in this particular situation, i really doubt that they could get much more

[saKf]

The next step is to play as the horrible, horrible Sixers on NBA Live and see what I can do.

[wang4three]

Could be better than Dr. J IMO.

I like Kevin Durant too, but no. So far he's been showing the same promise that Tim Thomas did after his freshman year at Nova..and we know how he turned out. Durant is having better numbers, I know.

[bigkingsfan]

The Sixers are all but assured a top 5 pick this year. Now that they can add two more picks to the pot, they have a great shot at Oden (trading 3 picks for him), should he come out.

No one with the number #1 pick is that dumb. :no:

[2LeTTeRS KD]

The **** they will be. You think Denver and Golden State are both going to be top 6 teams, record-wise?

You sure thats the Warriors pick. From all I've heard that pick is from the Mavs.

[A Roc 23]

Andre Miller remaining salary = 9.3mil, 9.6mil, 9.9mil

I dunno how to look at that. Guess its ok.

I love the 3 first round picks in 2007. :applause:


Greg Oden/Durant/B.Wright

then Tyler Hansborough, Acie Law

If the Nuggets struggle at first and don't win many games in the next 15 then the Sixers might actually have a shot at Hansborough with a 16th-19th pick.

Miller, Iggy, Durant and Hansborough with Carney, Green and Dalembert is a great team in a few years.

Miller/Ollie
Iggy/Green
Durant/Carney
Hansborough/Shav
Dalembert/ Roy Hibbert (Mavs pick)

[Real Men Wear Green]

Some team is going to face Allen Iverson with a legit scorer and a defensive, rebounding-oriented frontcourt next to him in the first round.

The Nuggets could really mess someone up.
One way or another, the "can Iverson coexist with another scorer" debate is going to be put to an end, and I like that. Iverson gets bonus points if JR Smith can also keep up his scoring average. If Iverson can play a Zeke-like game from here on out Denver will have a shot at the Finals.

[PromisedLand]

adam, do you not think Denver will be top 6 record wise? Certainly they will be. If it makes you feel better, both picks will be in the 21-30 range. Look at where they sit currently, go to nbadraft.net.

2 picks in the 20's is crap. Look at the Bulls. they're gonna have a top 5 pick again and all they traded was eddy curry who was disgruntled. Sixers could of gotten a little more sugar on top of this one.

[Kobe24]

I wish the Lakers gave Odom,Vujacic and Cook

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Damn Sixers got 3 1rst round picks in the 2007 draft? Assuming they keep there 1rst at the rate they are going.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Phoenix gets a smaller version of Eddie House, who they no longer have and who was able to get them back into games at points.

It's not about offense, though - it's about saving money. Phoenix regrets Banks' contract and it is interested in moving him. Boykins expires after next season.
Good point, though it makes me wonder if Philly will make Denver include him if they make a deal.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Perfect time for KG to demand his trade. Whats the T-Wolves record anyways?

[eliteballer]

I can't believe they couldn't get JR Smith. For Allen f'ing Iverson.

[saKf]

adam, do you not think Denver will be top 6 record wise? Certainly they will be. If it makes you feel better, both picks will be in the 21-30 range. Look at where they sit currently, go to nbadraft.net.

2 picks in the 20's is crap. Look at the Bulls. they're gonna have a top 5 pick again and all they traded was eddy curry who was disgruntled. Sixers could of gotten a little more sugar on top of this one.
"Certainly they will be?" They're currently 10th and don't have Anthony or Smith for several games. Also, they have to take time figuring Iverson out because they've got a new starting point guard now.

[A Roc 23]

I like Kevin Durant too, but no. So far he's been showing the same promise that Tim Thomas did after his freshman year at Nova..and we know how he turned out. Durant is having better numbers, I know.

Nah that comparison is way off. Durant has so much more talent in terms of ball handling, athleticism, quickness, defense and obviously potential.

Like you said, his numbers are a lot better and he already looks like a leader at Texas.

[MaxFly]

The next step is to play as the horrible, horrible Sixers on NBA Live and see what I can do.

Run a simulation to see what happens with Iverson, and post Iverson.

[PromisedLand]

elite, JR Smith has character issues just like Iverson. The Sixers don't want anymore selfish players. They're done with that headache now.

[StroShow4]

i dunno how this is gonna work for the nuggets. i think andre miller is very under rated and was very important in making the nuggets offense work.

[PromisedLand]

"Certainly they will be?" They're currently 10th and don't have Anthony or Smith for several games. Also, they have to take time figuring Iverson out because they've got a new starting point guard now.

Well look at the Mavs pick then, genius! My point remains the same...two crappy 1st rounders for Philly. I can definently see Dallas and Denver finishing with top 8 records. Dallas could have the best record giving Philly basically 2nd rounders because the picks are so low in the 1st Round.

[FPower]

Huh, Andre Miller and I have the same birthday.

Anyway, a couple of first rounders isn't a horrible return at this point.

If I'm the sixers I immediately start looking to trade Miller for something more appropriate to a rebuilding franchise.

[PacerRaptor]

i personally think 76ers got ripped off, big time...they got joe smith and miller, basically for AI .... those picks are going to be no good, because theyre going to be in the 20's....poor 76ers....nice job King....Denver is my new 2ND fav team

[adamcz]

adam, do you not think Denver will be top 6 record wise?No I don't think they will be. They are currently #10 record-wise, and just lost a bunch of their best players to long suspensions.

[StroShow4]

I wish the Lakers gave Odom,Vujacic and Cook

that wouldnt be good for the lakers... odom+kobe>>>>>iverson+kobe

[hotsizzle]

all i can say is **** YES!!!

[PromisedLand]

adam, do you think Dallas will finish with a top 3 record? Because that's Philly's other 1st rounder that they got in this trade. It equals POOP.

[saKf]

Well look at the Mavs pick then, genius! My point remains the same...two crappy 1st rounders for Philly. I can definently see Dallas and Denver finishing with top 8 records. Dallas could have the best record giving Philly basically 2nd rounders because the picks are so low in the 1st Round.
In a deep draft, few first rounders are crappy.

[Sharas]

Well look at the Mavs pick then, genius! My point remains the same...two crappy 1st rounders for Philly. I can definently see Dallas and Denver finishing with top 8 records. Dallas could have the best record giving Philly basically 2nd rounders because the picks are so low in the 1st Round.

but it's definitely possible that they finish 10-12nd, let alone lower than 6th...they don't have melo for 15 games and jr for 10

[hotsizzle]

Iverson/Melo:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Zombles]

chemistry problems.

[adamcz]

Those low 1st round picks come in a deep draft. The last time we had a great draft ('03) the bottom 10 picks included Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa and Josh Howard.

[crisoner]

Wow...Congrads to all Nuggets fans!!!

When Melo gets back this should be fun to watch.

[memrs]

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/

[MaxFly]

i personally think 76ers got ripped off, big time...they got joe smith and miller, basically for AI .... those picks are going to be no good, because theyre going to be in the 20's....poor 76ers....nice job King....Denver is my new 2ND fav team

Ok, I take back my earlier statement... I was hasty in my reading and thought the Sixers would be getting J.R. Smith... but no... Joe Smith... Are you kidding? :oldlol:

[cyco127]

So... what happens in a month when AI feels it's his team and Melo returns to retake the team? I'm not saying that they can't co-exsist, I'm just saying that it'll be interesting...

[GOBB]

Joe Smith = cap expirer. Sixers dont need another SG.

[GOBB]

So... what happens in a month when AI feels it's his team and Melo returns to retake the team? I'm not saying that they can't co-exsist, I'm just saying that it'll be interesting...

Translation "Damn, now Utah is gonna have to fight for this division. Melo + AI? Ugh, great!"

[NugzFan]

"Certainly they will be?" They're currently 10th and don't have Anthony or Smith for several games. Also, they have to take time figuring Iverson out because they've got a new starting point guard now.

the fact that we are currently 10th overall nba is so shocking i didnt believe it at first. everything that can go wrong, has for us. and yet we are still 10th? wow.

[PromisedLand]

this season, probably...but they're getting three first rounders in most hyped draft class for some time (along with 2003). also, it's make it or break it for iggy, dalembert, korver, green and so on. if there's any true potential in them, this will bring it out.

It will bring the talent out. AI is a ball hog, as is Melo. So that will be funny to watch. But Korver, Dalembert, and Iggy will all see their #'s skyrocket. As soon as Miller starts playing as a Sixer, you will see this.

[geeWiz15]

wow... AI for Andre Miller. sixer fans consider your franchise over. they couldn't even get Camby. :roll:

Iverson
JR
Melo
Nene
Camby

extremely deadly team right there. although I dont know about JR on a team with 2 30ppg guys. doesn't really fit.

[adamcz]

Joe Smith is a nice backup pf, and a lockerroom leader. Exactly the kind of guy a young rebuilding team should hope to keep around. He'll probably leave for a contendor after this season, but the Sixers would be fools not to offer him a couple million and hope he stays.

[A Roc 23]

I say JR averages 12 points a game from here on out.

[PromisedLand]

The Nuggz had something, from the street, going with JR Smith and Melo. Now you've thrown a huge wrench into the equation with Iverson. This could be a move the Nuggz regret months from now. I'm not so sure the Nuggz didn't make this move, in part, to get talk of the brawl to subdue. They can't have their franchise player looking like a thug to all of America. They had to throw a wrench into play and now everyone is talking about Iverson in a Denver uniform. It works well in the short term. We'll see how it works out long term.

[MaxFly]

Joe Smith = cap expirer. Sixers dont need another SG.

They could have turned around and gotten more for JR Smith than the 7 million Joe Smith gets them, and though the draft will be deep in 07, it's still Iverson we're talking about... Andre Miller, Joe Smith, and picks for Iverson... it just sounds wrong... lol, unfair.

[GOBB]

wow... AI for Andre Miller. sixer fans consider your franchise over. they couldn't even get Camby. :roll:

Iverson
JR
Melo
Nene
Camby

extremely deadly team right there. although I dont know about JR on a team with 2 30ppg guys. doesn't really fit.

Yea because Camby was on the table right GeeWiz you idiot! :rolleyes:

And considering how many games in a row this team has lost. Your stupid statement of "consider your franchise over" was about as dumb as the idiots who will create a "AI to Denver" topic in the new few minutes. Get a clue kid.

[The Mamba]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A.I. on the Nuggets with Melo. It's going to be hot. Can we get a manip of A.I. in the uni?

[NugzFan]

I say JR averages 12 points a game from here on out.

very possible.

[Take Your Lumps]

I couldn't say anything before but AI's been practicing with the team since yesterday.....just been on the down low.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8350/iversonqm7.jpg

:cheers:

[hotsizzle]

chemistry problems.

no, they will thrive. AI wants to win first and foremost and Melo has always been a team player first. They'll both listen to G. Karl and will be a deadly duo

[Kobe24]

Yea because Camby was on the table right GeeWiz you idiot! :rolleyes:

And considering how many games in a row this team has lost. Your stupid statement of "consider your franchise over" was about as dumb as the idiots who will create a "AI to Denver" topic in the new few minutes. Get a clue kid.

Praise the LORD!

[Kobe24]

I couldn't say anything before but AI's been practicing with the team since yesterday.....just been on the down low.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8350/iversonqm7.jpg

:cheers:
:eek:

[MaxFly]

Carmelo, KMart, Nene, Camby and AI will take up 64 million next year... I expect the Nuggets to attempt to trade KMart. That could only make the team better.

[GOBB]

They could have turned around and gotten more for JR Smith than the 7 million Joe Smith gets them, and though the draft will be deep in 07, it's still Iverson we're talking about... Andre Miller, Joe Smith, and picks for Iverson... it just sounds wrong... lol, unfair.

So retrade JR Smith again? :oldlol: Overkill. You also gotta play JR Smith (after he serves his 10gm suspension) to boost his value up. Bulls gave JR Smith away for what? I dont see the Sixers benefiting much with JR Smith as an asset as I do Joe Smith who comes off the books and atleast is a respectable forward (look consider who we have, webber sits out and we got Allan Henderson).


No other teams were offering more. :confusedshrug:

I like the deal because we get 2 first round picks.

[JSub]

I feel sorry for KG.

[The Mamba]

Getting A.I. for Andre may have possibly just saved their season while Melo and J.R. are out for a combined 25 games.

[NugzFan]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A.I. on the Nuggets with Melo. It's going to be hot. Can we get a manip of A.I. in the uni?

http://fisht.dreamhosters.com/images/ball/iverson.jpg

[Kobe24]

So retrade JR Smith again? :oldlol: Overkill. You also gotta play JR Smith (after he serves his 10gm suspension) to boost his value up. Bulls gave JR Smith away for what? I dont see the Sixers benefiting much with JR Smith as an asset as I do Joe Smith who comes off the books and atleast is a respectable forward (look consider who we have, webber sits out and we got Allan Henderson).


No other teams were offering more. :confusedshrug:

I like the deal because we get 2 first round picks.

Would you have accepted Odom and Cook? Not sure if the salaries match

[bullsfan]

As soon as this trade happens this team will be unstoppable the reason is that they got the top 2 leading scorers and no one can stop them

[All Net]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A.I. on the Nuggets with Melo. It's going to be hot. Can we get a manip of A.I. in the uni?

http://fisht.dreamhosters.com/images/ball/iverson.jpg

[saKf]

They could have turned around and gotten more for JR Smith than the 7 million Joe Smith gets them
Trading for a player so that you can trade him to some other team is one of the worst moves a GM can make.

[hotsizzle]

http://fisht.dreamhosters.com/images/ball/iverson.jpg

oh baby:bowdown:

[Take Your Lumps]

Getting A.I. for Andre may have possibly just saved their season while Melo and J.R. are out for a combined 25 games.

I bet this had a whole lot to do with the timing.....the Nuggs probably only wanted to give up 1 pick but were pressured due to their circumstances..

[PromisedLand]

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/

Iverson looks high as hell in that picture. :D

[The Mamba]

^

SICK!!!

Marv Albert "And it's good!!!"

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

So is Allen Iverson expected to score 50+ a game for the next 10-15 games?

[JohnnyBravo5]

CONGRATS TO THE NBA CHAMPION DENVER NUGGETS?

"If you want to crown em then crown their ass." - Coach Dennis Green

[MaxFly]

So retrade JR Smith again? :oldlol: Overkill. You also gotta play JR Smith (after he serves his 10gm suspension) to boost his value up. Bulls gave JR Smith away for what? I dont see the Sixers benefiting much with JR Smith as an asset as I do Joe Smith who comes off the books and atleast is a respectable forward (look consider who we have, webber sits out and we got Allan Henderson).


No other teams were offering more. :confusedshrug:

I like the deal because we get 2 first round picks.

Well I think you could play JR, let him flourish in Philly, and see how important a cog he will be. If it's looking like the team would do better to trade him in the off season, that's when I think the Sixers shoud look at a trade. But as you said, this was likely the best deal the Sixers would get from Denver... However, I still think Denver cheated them somewhat...

[The Mamba]

I have a feeling we will see the old A.I. For the past few years he's been putting up great numbers, especially with the new rules, and has done so looking un-motivated and not really showing the fire he has in 2001 and back. Maybe this will rejuvinate his career, and give him that spark again. Could be scary. IMO, Andre + draft pick for A.I. is a steal for the Nuggets. Especially when you consider the circumstances.

[MaxFly]

Trading for a player so that you can trade him to some other team is one of the worst moves a GM can make.

Again, I'm not talking about right away. Let him play this season, let him put up numbers, and the re-evaluate his role on the team in the off-season. More likely than not, they wouldn't trade him... (I sure wouldn't) but JR's worth as both a player and as a trade asset is more than Joe Smith affords the Sixers.

[PleezeBelieve]

The Nuggz had something, from the street, going with JR Smith and Melo. Now you've thrown a huge wrench into the equation with Iverson. This could be a move the Nuggz regret months from now. I'm not so sure the Nuggz didn't make this move, in part, to get talk of the brawl to subdue. They can't have their franchise player looking like a thug to all of America. They had to throw a wrench into play and now everyone is talking about Iverson in a Denver uniform. It works well in the short term. We'll see how it works out long term.
:cheers:

[thenextgreatbigman]

anybody thinks he'll play tomorrow against the suns? that would be a great game

and they start off 2007 playing the sixers on the 2nd, media is going to make a story out of this

[MaxFly]

If this trade clears this evening, when will Iverson play?

[Heretik32]

The Sixers didn't get robbed, which would've been the case in many other trade scenarious. I really like the draft picks for 07. I'm not too sure about Andre Miller, I've never particularly liked him, but well.

When Melo comes back and the Nuggets are healthy (or almost healthy, considering they always have some kind of health problems), their starting five is one mean machine. Here's to hoping it works out well for Denver and Iverson, I really wish the lil warrior all the best!

[NugzFan]

long term? how long? 2-3 years?

the trade was made for now. melo is the future.

[kwajo]

Can we get a manip of A.I. in the uni?
http://xkwire.com/photos/ish/iversonnuggets.jpg

[Put Back Dunk]

The Sixers didn't get robbed, which would've been the case in many other trade scenarious. I really like the draft picks for 07. I'm not too sure about Andre Miller, I've never particularly liked him, but well.

The two first found picks are Denver's own and Dallas'.......what's to like? I know I know, deep draft next year etc., but they're basically upgraded secound round picks especially now that Denver has Iverson.

[cyco127]

Translation "Damn, now Utah is gonna have to fight for this division. Melo + AI? Ugh, great!"


Yeah GOBB, that has certainly been on my mind... But it is a legitamate question whether or not Melo and AI can be effective TOGETHER. Another Q: Will AI and George Karl get along for more than the typical honeymoon period? Just wondering...

[niko]

:cheers:

JR is not signed next year. they'd have to shell out big money for JR, which is definitely questionable.

[MaxFly]

Yeah GOBB, that has certainly been on my mind... But it is a legitamate question whether or not Melo and AI can be effective TOGETHER. Another Q: Will AI and George Karl get along for more than the typical honeymoon period? Just wondering...

I think they'll be fine. AI realizes that he's been given a new lease on his NBA life and I assume he'll be on his best behavior.

[Y2Gezee]

Well it was great timing with Melo being out. Hopefully he can get those games cut down, because him getting 15 games is excessive considering it wasn't exactly in the crowd and just 1 punch.

Its great that they did not have to trade Nene also. Next year with Martin's D and rebounding, they're really going to be sick. I don't even think their defense will be that bad. JR is going to be the guy lost in the mix though, but only if Iverson doesn't limit his scoring and take on more of an assist role. Melo's suspension really hurts the development with AI

[NugzFan]

JR is not signed next year. they'd have to shell out big money for JR, which is definitely questionable.

im pretty sure he is for one more year.

[tontoz]

wow... AI for Andre Miller. sixer fans consider your franchise over. they couldn't even get Camby. :roll:

.

You do realize that they had lost 6 straight before AI requested the trade, right?

I think the Sixers come out fine. They get a veteran pg who i think will bring out the best in their young guys. Plus they get picks and cap relief. Not bad at all.

[cyco127]

Well they certainly will be fun to watch...

[vert48]

Wow!! By the time Melo gets back from his vacation, the team will already be AI's. Here's hoping that AI can do what people think he can't - fit in.

[MaxFly]

Well it was great timing with Melo being out. Hopefully he can get those games cut down, because him getting 15 games is excessive considering it wasn't exactly in the crowd and just 1 punch.

Its great that they did not have to trade Nene also. Next year with Martin's D and rebounding, they're really going to be sick. I don't even think their defense will be that bad. JR is going to be the guy lost in the mix though, but only if Iverson doesn't limit his scoring and take on more of an assist role. Melo's suspension really hurts the development with AI

I think Martin will be traded in the off season... The contracts are somewhat limiting right now... 64 million with AI, Carmelo, KMart, Nene and Camby... 5 players taking up the whole cap...

[Da KO King]

If Denver stinks during the suspensions and Philly's scouting department holds their end of the bargin Allen Iverson will not be missed in the least in the City of Brotherly Love.

[The Mamba]

Da KO King is the ultimate A.I. hater... we have to establish that first, before we consider his statements.


hehe, still my guy though.

[The Mamba]

The good thing about this trade is it is still early in the season. By mid-point, A.I. will be developing chemistry with the new system and teammates.

[BFRESH44]

I think Martin will be traded in the off season...

:oldlol: Not happening. 2 microfractures for a player who was already falling off. and THAT contract is virtually untradeable. Denver is stuck with that one...

[kwajo]

http://xkwire.com/photos/ish/iversonnuggets2.jpg

[MaxFly]

:oldlol: Not happening. 2 microfractures for a player who was already falling off. and THAT contract is virtually untradeable. Denver is stuck with that one...

They're not going to get equal worth, but it has to happen if they're going to continue functioning...

[GOBB]

:roll: photoshopped pix. Yall fools

[The Answer]

Good trade. Wow, I'm glad this trade has finally happened.

[RandomBalla55]

Anybody know the possible 76er lineup now?

[BFRESH44]

They're not going to get equal worth, but it has to happen if they're going to continue functioning...

I understand. But The thing is NO ONE is going to trade for Kenyon Martin.

He has quite possibly the worst contract in the league.

His deal is about on par with what Juwan Howards was back in the day when he signed with Bullets.

[PromisedLand]

Sixers:

Andre Miller
Kyle Korver
Andre Igulodala
Chris Webber
Samuel Dalembert

Not bad...

[LakersRuleTheNBA]

Wow !! Nuggs made out like bandits! Congrats! Philly getting draft picks is also a plus.. awesome!

[305Baller]

wow, thats all Philly's getting?

[ThaKid]

so when does he play, in like a week??

[Da KO King]

My dislike for Allen has nothing to do with my previous comment.

Some of the rumors I'm hearing about how scouts are feeling about certain guys means that the 76ers could end up getting some really quality players.

Heard that the U of Florida kids are slipping a little so they are pushing other guys down too.

I haven't seen him yet but a guy who's opinion I respect likes Dominic James from Marquette U. He said Dominic looks like he may fall to the late teens early twenties. Said his "potential range" is between Chauncey Billups and Mike James.

If they can add a lead guard of that caliber, if my guy is right of course, and a quality post guy (PF or C) in the draft they would have a serious young core to work with.

Young PG
Rodney Carney
Andre Igoudala
Young PF/Chris Webber
Dalembert/Young C

Granted I'm not fond of the coach, but that is a serious young group to work with.

[thenextgreatbigman]

so when does he play, in like a week??
i say he's in by friday if not tomorrow.

i remember someone getting traded and playing on the same day so having him play tomorrow is not impossible

[konex]

Sixers got RAPED in this deal. How do they NOT get JR?

[GoRapz]

Wow, Denver is a power house now.

[MaxFly]

I understand. But The thing is NO ONE is going to trade for Kenyon Martin.

He has quite possibly the worst contract in the league.

His deal is about on par with what Juwan Howards was back in the day when he signed with Bullets.

They almost don't have a choice at this point. I agree that KMart's salary is highly unfavorable, but they have to find a way to get rid of him or renegotiate his contract... but him out... unless they're willing to trade Nene, though I don't think they are.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I haven't seen him yet but a guy who's opinion I respect likes Dominic James from Marquette U. He said Dominic looks like he may fall to the late teens early twenties. Said his "potential range" is between Chauncey Billups and Mike James.
Which means that he could be anything from a career back-up to an All-Star. Your friend is quite the analyst.

[MTing]

The draft picks can be a important part of the trade

[FPower]

I agree with whomever said Denver's going to be a ***** in the first round.

[GOBB]

Sixers got RAPED in this deal. How do they NOT get JR?

You're an idiot.

[thenextgreatbigman]

My dislike for Allen has nothing to do with my previous comment.

Some of the rumors I'm hearing about how scouts are feeling about certain guys means that the 76ers could end up getting some really quality players.

Heard that the U of Florida kids are slipping a little so they are pushing other guys down too.

I haven't seen him yet but a guy who's opinion I respect likes Dominic James from Marquette U. He said Dominic looks like he may fall to the late teens early twenties. Said his "potential range" is between Chauncey Billups and Mike James.

If they can add a lead guard of that caliber, if my guy is right of course, and a quality post guy (PF or C) in the draft they would have a serious young core to work with.

Young PG
Rodney Carney
Andre Igoudala
Young PF/Chris Webber
Dalembert/Young C

Granted I'm not fond of the coach, but that is a serious young group to work with.
if oden doesn't come out i'd like to see them draft durant, big baby, and maybe tht asian guy, yi jianlian

[GOBB]

The draft picks can be a important part of the trade

They ARE. 2 first round picks + ours? 3 first rounds picks in 2007.

[PP34Deuce]

I think Ai and MELO will not clash at all.

its like PAul Pierce and Ricky davis...... Ricky had no problems because he knew the resume of Paul.

Well Melo is better then davis, and I think those 2 will help each others game.

I thnk JR smith goes down to about 15 points, but this move shows he needs to develop ALL AROUND.

I wanna see JR with his ability and athletiscm to be a 17-6-3 player at the least.

Melo 24-7-5
AI-22-4-8

then you got CAMBY who will give 12 10 2 3-4 blocks a nite.
Nene-still has much potential.

Decent bench and I think the nuggets will eb dangerous. They have AI as an expirer wen his wheels fall off.

[GOBB]

if oden doesn't come out i'd like to see them draft durant, big baby, and maybe tht asian guy, yi jianlian

No asians please

[Da KO King]

Which means that he could be anything from a career back-up to an All-Star. Your friend is quite the analyst.
First, Mike James has been a starting point guard for three straight seasons now.

Second, are you saying you've never heard someone give a best case and worst case scenario for a prospect?

[Lakerfan1-Iceland]

Wow! The west gets EVEN STRONGER! Damn the this is gonna be fun watchin Iverson and Melo together playing, and see how the rest of the team will respond, will there be enough shots too go around?

I think Iverson and Melo will coexist and play well together, although it WILL be though for either of them the last seconds of some games that are close who will take the last shot.......
Man im really interested to see how this will work out, i do think the Nuggeta probably have a few growing pains but near the end of the season NO team will want to face them in the playoffs!!!

MAN HOW STRONG IS THE WEST NOW!!!!!!!
The east sucks a fat saucage!

[konex]

AI and Melo will be great together in the Nuggz fast break system..

[Da KO King]

I know you guys think I'm an Iverson hater. I'm fine with that.

So can you please explain to the Iverson hater how this actually helps Denver become an elite team out West?

[Real Men Wear Green]

First, Mike James has been a starting point guard for three straight seasons now.

Second, are you saying you've never heard someone give a best case and worst case scenario for a prospect?
First, Mike James has still come off the bench in more games than he's started, and would not start at pg on most NBA teams.

Second, you just made a goofball assumption based on nothing. I don't get why that even came into your head.

[GOBB]

I know you guys think I'm an Iverson hater. I'm fine with that.

So can you please explain to the Iverson hater how this actually helps Denver become an elite team out West?

They added another big time scorer, performer who has playmaking ability. JR Smith doesnt have to be the Nuggets 2nd leading scorer, AI will. He will impact the team more than Dre Miller does. Has playoff experience and steps up when it counts. Camby behind him is like Ratliff/Mutombo. He fits George Karl's style of play. :applause:

[MaxFly]

I know you guys think I'm an Iverson hater. I'm fine with that.

So can you please explain to the Iverson hater how this actually helps Denver become an elite team out West?

Having Iverson on the court makes it easier for everyone to score just by his ability to be a decoy and he really puts opponents' defenses at a disadvantage. He's also not a shabby defender. He does an excellent job at getting into passing lanes and getting steals. I'm not ready to say that Denver is elite... but it is likely.

[tontoz]

Denver isn't exactly struggling to score. They are averaging 108 ppg, 2nd in the league while shooting 47%. The one thing they lack on offense is 3 pt shooting, not AI's forte.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Having Iverson on the court makes it easier for everyone to score just by his ability to be a decoy and he really puts opponents' defenses at a disadvantage. He's also not a shabby defender. He does an excellent job at getting into passing lanes and getting steals. I'm not ready to say that Denver is elite... but it is likely.
Nah, his d is pretty terrible. At least it has been of late. He flat-out has been giving no effort on d this season. And I doubt that changes with Karl's Nuggets, who right now don't defend well at all. He'll get some steals by cheating on d but all of that cheating gets his team burned quite often. Great player overall but the d is lacking.

[TheBynumProject]

Denver has now traded four picks from the 07 draft (2 seconds for JR, 2 firsts for AI)

[FireMcFailPlease]

Fire Mcfail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I Hate You!!!!!!!!!

[hawkfan]

Philly is still looking to make a run at the playoffs this year, since Miller is a competent point guard and Joe Smith can provide some much needed depth at power forward and even some center when Philly goes to small ball.

Will AI defer to Carmelo? Will he accept being a second option? Will he pass the ball to Camby and Nene?

[EricForman]

how many of yuo guys think Melo deep down doesn't like this trade?

Think about it, Melo has been overshadowed by Bron and Wade for almost his entire career. Things were so bad the second year, Melo straight out dropped off and were no longer mentioned along with Lebron and Wade. Finally Melo started taking baby steps last year to climb back up, and now this year, he finally earned his spot back with Lebron and Wade. He's getting MVP consideration, everyone is praising him.

Suddenly Iverson gose to his team. Now it may no longer be "Melo's team". Melo's numbers may drop. He may not win the scoring title anymore.

Remember, Melo isnt KG or Paul Pierce, he hasn't gone years and years of being on mediocre teams so Melo may not appreciate help the way those two would. Stars generally wants numbers and individual awards early on when they're young and don't appreciate having a good teammate to help out until later on in their careers.

[shafir]

Wow, can Melo and AI coexist? AI is friends with Melo, but he was also friends with Cheeks, and we all know how that turned out.

[Da KO King]

First, Mike James has still come off the bench in more games than he's started, and would not start at pg on most NBA teams.I'm not a James fan nor is he important to this thread. We'll agree to disagree


Second, you just made a goofball assumption based on nothing. I don't get why that even came into your head.
I made no assumption at all. Guy watched him play and said he thinks he can ge good and said he can either be a Mike Bibby/Chauncey Billups kind of guy (scores but not hurting the team in the process) or a Mike James kind of guy (sometimes look to score too often).


They added another big time scorer, performer who has playmaking ability. JR Smith doesnt have to be the Nuggets 2nd leading scorer, AI will. He will impact the team more than Dre Miller does. Has playoff experience and steps up when it counts. Camby behind him is like Ratliff/Mutombo. He fits George Karl's style of play.I get that but do you think it's enough to get them by San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, or Houston in a seven game series?

[hawkfan]

how many of yuo guys think Melo deep down doesn't like this trade?

Think about it, Melo has been overshadowed by Bron and Wade for almost his entire career. Things were so bad the second year, Melo straight out dropped off and were no longer mentioned along with Lebron and Wade. Finally Melo started taking baby steps last year to climb back up, and now this year, he finally earned his spot back with Lebron and Wade. He's getting MVP consideration, everyone is praising him.

Suddenly Iverson gose to his team. Now it may no longer be "Melo's team". Melo's numbers may drop. He may not win the scoring title anymore.

Remember, Melo isnt KG or Paul Pierce, he hasn't gone years and years of being on mediocre teams so Melo may not appreciate help the way those two would. Stars generally wants numbers and individual awards early on when they're young and don't appreciate having a good teammate to help out until later on in their careers.

AI needs to defer to Carmelo, not the other way around.

Carmelo is on the upside of his career, while AI is on the downside.

AI needs to be more like Steve Nash.

[Carbine]

I'm not really a true fan of Denver but I'll be paying special attention to the Nuggets now that they have Iverson on the team. Melo + Iverson could be a very good pair because of Melos ability to post up (he's a top five post player in the league) which will lead to bigger driving lanes than Iverson is used too.

If Nuggets grab a shooter at the deadline they could be a damn hard put-out in the playoffs. Next year? Man if Martin comes back healthy, and stays healthy (along with the rest of the team) they are the favorites to win it all.

They would have it all. Shooters (assuming they pick one up at the deadline, or off-season) playmakers, bench, defensive big men, coach & a true home-court advantage.

I'm pretty intrigued about how this will all turn out in Denver.




Iverson will always be remembered as a Sixer and it's a damn shame that he's leaving. Kinda like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning leaving their teams when they have been everything to the state for years. It's a sad day for myself as a big Iverson fan, as I'm sure its a sad day for all 76'er fans. Endings suck, especially when someone like Iverson was so embraced by the city.

The lasting moment of Iverson to me is stepping over Lue in the finals to put the "!" in the win.

[FireMcFailPlease]

:cry:

[GOBB]

how many of yuo guys think Melo deep down doesn't like this trade?

Just you. Melo has already said he would love AI to come and play next to him.


I get that but do you think it's enough to get them by San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, or Houston in a seven game series?

They match up with Phx well, be a good series and they definately getting past Houston. I lost all faith in Tmac's back.

Spurs and Mavs will be tough.

[EricForman]

AI needs to be more like Steve Nash.


And that is the problem.

You guys are overrating AI's "playmaking/point guard" ability. The guy averaged 7-8 dimes a game "the weak way". Meaning he gets his assists by dribbling, dribbling, dribbling, drive into triple team, then throw some crazy cross court pass to a three point shooter.

Steve Nash's assists are much more efficient, simple and basic.

This is no bash on Iverson, he's one of my favorite players. But dude is a SCORER. He can't be Nash, just like Nash can't be Iverson.


Just you. Melo has already said he would love AI to come and play next to him.


I know you're a AI fan but stop being childish, GoBB. Didn't AI say he would love to play for Mo Cheeks? Didn't AI almost blew his load when he heard Webber was going to his team?

[sydneyking]

Sixers got RAPED in this deal. How do they NOT get JR?
They have Iguodala, Carney and Korver. Of the three picks they have, at least one will be used on a swingman. There's no need for J.R. Smith.

[Vendetta]

How good this trade is for Denver depends on one thing and one thing only... how willing Iverson is to become a facilitator.

If he plays exactly like he did in Philly with Denver, then the trade was not only pointless, it was a bad move.

If he decides to play like a point who looks for others first and his own shot second, then Denver is going to be really, really good.

I'll say it ends up being somewhere in between with the Nuggets being about as good as they are now, maybe a hair better.

[GOBB]

Philly is still looking to make a run at the playoffs this year, since Miller is a competent point guard and Joe Smith can provide some much needed depth at power forward and even some center when Philly goes to small ball.

:oldlol: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Whats up with the 76ers pick?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I made no assumption at all. Guy watched him play and said he thinks he can ge good and said he can either be a Mike Bibby/Chauncey Billups kind of guy (scores but not hurting the team in the process) or a Mike James kind of guy (sometimes look to score too often).
I'm referring to you talking about whether or not I knew what a best/worst case scenario is.

[AI09]

i dont wanna look through the whole thread did ne1 know Ivan Mcfarlin was in the deal aswell?

[GOBB]

Whats up with the 76ers pick?

:confusedshrug: WTF are u talkin bout? If you think its someone elses its not. They own it.

[GOBB]

i dont wanna look through the whole thread did ne1 know Ivan Mcfarlin was in the deal aswell?

Yes he was included. Any more questions, Denver got the Answer.

[hawkfan]

:oldlol: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Hey, I was trying to put a positive spin on this for the Sixers!!!

This year is pretty much dead for the Sixers, but every team gets one year to stink and rebuild.

They still have some good young talent in Iguodala, Korver, Dalembert. Maybe Carney will turn out to be a good player. Also possibly Green.

With their first round pick this year and two more, maybe they'll get Oden. Who knows.

But either way, with three first round picks next year, they should be set to have a revamped team next year.

I could see Joe Smith traded again if some team was willing to give up a second round pick (say the Sonics in exchange for Fortson and a 2nd round pick).

Or possibly the Spurs, who could give up a first round pick (which would be late in the draft) along with Eric Williams and some other contract for Joe Smith and a 2nd round pick. The Spurs get some depth in the front court and the Sixers swap out a 2nd round pick for a 1st round pick.

[GOBB]

Hey, I was trying to put a positive spin on this for the Sixers!!!

1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Brandon Wright

Top 3 prospects. Thats positive right there my friend!


They still have some good young talent in Iguodala, Korver, Dalembert. Maybe Carney will turn out to be a good player. Also possibly Green.

Dalembert = good young talent? :oldlol: You can have him for your first round pick. Want him?

[A Roc 23]

Dalembert = good young talent? :oldlol: You can have him for your first round pick. Want him?


That's the Sun's pick and no thanks.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

would u give up sammy for a 2nd rounder?

[AI Nuggets3]

theres a good chance Iverson is now going to own the league.

-2 weeks rest. all those minor injuries have healed. he'll be 100% in late December for the first time his entire career.

-he's bitter. 90% of the media reports/articles are dissing his style of play, ability to win, etc

-his career just got a fresh start. he's playing with a team better suited for his game (better rebounders, defenders, better players)

-Denver front office just said they talked to AI and he couldnt have sounded any more excited.

cant wait to order my jersey!

[ZHAKIDD532]

top 2 scorers in the league on the same team, crazy

AI + JR + Melo = ABSOLUTELY NASTY!!!

[Skywalker]

6ers set up with three 1st rounders not bad. If you could add Durant or Oden (im sure theyll get a shot at one of them), a good point guard like Dominic James and a big man (maybe Hibbert from Georgetown?) theyd be lookin real nice.

[hawkfan]

1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Brandon Wright

Top 3 prospects. Thats positive right there my friend!



Dalembert = good young talent? :oldlol: You can have him for your first round pick. Want him?

Dalembert for our first round pick (which is Indiana's)?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Dalembert would be great as a backup for Zaza.

The Hawks are under the cap and cap swap out say Lue, Batista, and Freije and a no. 1 for Dalembert.

[ppierce34]

Sixers make the playoffs they lose their #1 to GS, why would that be a positive for a rebuilding team?

[Mewwem22]

you guys remember how fast iverson got tired at the all star game in denver because of the high altitude? He was breathing all heavy by halftime. I wonder if he will play fewer minutes because of that same reason.

[23jordan23]

I dont get it on phillys end ..They passed up on getting Sam Cassel and Corey Maggette and instead got j smith and A.miller...Im sure phillys excited about that one lol:rolleyes:

[SixerFan03]

theres a good chance Iverson is now going to own the league.

He also has 15 games where he will be Denver's only star player.

[SixerFan03]

I dont get it on phillys end ..They passed up on getting Sam Cassel and Corey Maggette and instead got j smith and A.miller...Im sure phillys excited about that one lol:rolleyes:

This deal is better for the salary cap. Cassell and Maggette doesn't really help this team re-build. This team needs to dump salary. Add in the draft picks, and I like this deal more than Cassell and Maggette. Although Maggette would have been a great pickup, he's not better than Iverson so the team doesn't get any better.

[JalenRawley]

you guys remember how fast iverson got tired at the all star game in denver because of the high altitude? He was breathing all heavy by halftime. I wonder if he will play fewer minutes because of that same reason.

They say it's something you get used to.. but here's a scary thought:

Imagine AI when he's used to Denver air, playing road games in our nice heavy air? *zoom!*

[GOBB]

6ers set up with three 1st rounders not bad. If you could add Durant or Oden (im sure theyll get a shot at one of them), a good point guard like Dominic James and a big man (maybe Hibbert from Georgetown?) theyd be lookin real nice.

Tyler Hansborough! Psycho T! Acie Law, lock em up. Hello!


*mocking the tj who's ya mama guy in the FF commercial*

[yankeeridge]

on Allen Iverson. I thought Miami was in because of Allen's desire for a ring. Miami however could not assure 2 first round draft picks the Nuggets could offer Philly. Wow.
As exciting as the two will be they have only moved to contender in the West, and still are not in a position to topple either Phoenix, Dallas or San Antonio, and certainly not all three to get to the finals. Had he landed in Miami, the likelihood he would have contender for the NBA championship would have been nearly assured.

[wang4three]

Nah that comparison is way off. Durant has so much more talent in terms of ball handling, athleticism, quickness, defense and obviously potential.

Like you said, his numbers are a lot better and he already looks like a leader at Texas.

My comparison is "way" off from Tim Thomas at Nova? Have you seen him at Nova? Dude was a star just like Kevin. He had a sweet stroke, put it on the floor, had good athleticism. Sporting News Freshman of the Year. Big East Freshman of the Year. Big East Third Team selection. He wasn't as much fo a leader cause they had Alvin Williams running things while the Longhorns lost Aldridge, Gibson, and PJ Tucker. Everyone was raving Tim Thomas to be a superstar with that talent, but obviously he hasn't turned out to be cause of ethic issues.

Not to say Kevin will end up the same, but you're going to say my comparison is way off when Ced compared him to an NBA legend? Kevin Durant is far closer to the scum Tim Thomas is now than he is to Dr. J. I suggest you re-evaluate your ranking.

[GOBB]

I dont get it on phillys end ..They passed up on getting Sam Cassel and Corey Maggette and instead got j smith and A.miller...Im sure phillys excited about that one lol:rolleyes:

Sam Cassell came out and told the Sixers it wouldnt be a good idea to trade for him. He doesnt want to play for Philly and while he would have to his heart wouldnt be in it. It wouldnt be a good situation for him. So yeah you cant believe they passed up on a guy who came out and said this right? :confusedshrug:

Clippers werent parting with Shaun Livingston either. Stalemate.

[Lakerz_Forever]

now, just becuz of that move, the lakers and nuggets will meet in the WCF.

[PureElement]

This is great... the west just got even stronger.

[hateraid]

great trade! we get a pure pg, an expirer and 2 first rounders, great job billy king! good luck to ai for the rest of his career, thanks for everything


I'll go with this statement too. Good luck AI. I've always said Melo was my second favorite player today. AI is my first, Wish this would have happened in this city.

[bence23]

denver just got scary :D

[okpimpin1082]

KG needs to demand a trade to the Lakers......


I'm curious about the Nuggets for next season....


Three big men is too many....... They can't get rid of K-Mart(he may be an asset next season and the contract situation), so do you keep Nene for the physical rebounder or do you keep Camby for the fun and gun offense and rebounding ability. This will be the dilemna next season..... They need a 3-pont shooting presence that can score 10-15ppg in the playoffs. K-Mart with Nene or Camby can get more than enough rebounds..........


They need shooters.

[bringthetruth]

1st of all this trade for philly makes sense because Larry Brown wants a pass 1st pg and will most likely be the head coach there to get back at Isiah being in the same division.

Denver is going to need to trade JR SMith for a point guard if this trade is going to work for them. THey wi miss Andre Miller play making, especially when getting the ball to Melo and AI and the rest of the team.
I would trade JR smith and Evans for Brevin Knight, Othella Harrington or Melvin Ely...

[final.wrath]

i think iverson will be able to handle the playmaking in denver's system. it's a pretty simple yet effective offense. (run run run lob dunk run run run)

[SixerFan03]

i think iverson will be able to handle the playmaking in denver's system. it's a pretty simple yet effective offense. (run run run lob dunk run run run)

That's what I was thinking.

[hawkfan]

1. Greg Oden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Brandon Wright

Top 3 prospects. Thats positive right there my friend!



Dalembert = good young talent? :oldlol: You can have him for your first round pick. Want him?


Last year, the Hawks offered Al Harrington for Dalembert, and the Sixers said no.

Who knows - if Harrington was there, that would have been enough for the Sixers to get into the playoffs last year. Harrington would have been the number two option, CWebb would be no. 3, and Iggy would be no. 4. Korver would be great as a sixth man.

The Sixers would have had to get a center somewhere, but offensively Harrington would have been a great pickup for the Sixers.

But what is done is done.

[Glove_20]

AI and Carmelo on the same team?
WOW

There are gonna be A LOT of Turnovers...


They got the talent, but this team isn't going to the Finals or anything, and AI fans won't have any excuses for why he didn't make to the Finals more than once, because now he has good teammates

[SixerFan03]

AI and Carmelo on the same team?
WOW

There are gonna be A LOT of Turnovers...


They got the talent, but this team isn't going to the Finals or anything, and AI fans won't have any excuses for why he didn't make to the Finals more than once, because now he has good teammates

Hold on a second. Here's a good excuse. There are better teams. You say yourself that you don't expect this team to make the Finals. If his team isn't expected to make the Finals, then he doesn't need an excuse to not reach the Finals more than once. Iverson has never been on a team that was a pre-season favorite to make it to the Finals. Therefore he has already exceeded expectations.

[JalenRawley]

1st of all this trade for philly makes sense because Larry Brown wants a pass 1st pg and will most likely be the head coach there to get back at Isiah being in the same division.

Denver is going to need to trade JR SMith for a point guard if this trade is going to work for them. THey wi miss Andre Miller play making, especially when getting the ball to Melo and AI and the rest of the team.
I would trade JR smith and Evans for Brevin Knight, Othella Harrington or Melvin Ely...

As difficult as this is to read, there's a great point in here: Will Larry Brown end up the coach in Philadelphia? It's been in every report so far that Brown has been a "consultant" to Billy King, and Brown's history with George Karl is well documented so there's a -very- open line of communication there with Brown sitting directly in the center. And Brown has a tendency of getting on the phone with his connections throughout the league involving trading.

This could also explain why New York was never considering trading for Iverson a possibility, even if they pulled a little salary dump or involved Marbury or Francis.. and why a Iverson and Webber to New York trade never came close to happening, even though it could've ended up beneficial to both teams. Dolan and Thomas dealing with King, who is being consulted by Brown.

But anyway.. if Brown ends up coaching Philly, who's next to go? Can Webber and Brown co-exist? How in the hell are they going to trade Webber if they don't? Lots more drama to come folks ;)

[SixerFan03]

I doubt LB will coach the Sixers. Although, crazier things have happened. He never really moved his family away from the Philadelphia area. It's possible. LB and C-Webb wouldn't work very well. I don't know how they can trade Webber, but I wish they would.

[cyco127]

...Sucks to be in the NorthWest Division...

[Solid Snake]

Who's the number option for scoring now.

[El Seano]

Man the nuggets came out of this one well, AI for andre miller and filler? no way in the world that wouldve happened if AI announced he wanted out. I feel bad for the sixers (fans and players equally) because its going to be a long long year for them. I'm kinda looking forward to watching AI and Carmelo team up should, should be an interesting combo. On the plus side for the nuggets as well AI's arrival means they shouldn't go on as much of a slant during Melo's ban

[GOBB]

I doubt LB will coach the Sixers. Although, crazier things have happened. He never really moved his family away from the Philadelphia area. It's possible. LB and C-Webb wouldn't work very well. I don't know how they can trade Webber, but I wish they would.

Package Sammy and Webber together. Willie Green and Webber. Bout it, Sixers wont package Iggy and Korver. First round pick and Webber? Eh

[MaxFly]

ESPN has their own photoshopped photo...

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/nba/iverson/iverson412x232.jpg

[final.wrath]

i think iverson will respect that ultimately this is carmelo's team. he will still get his shots but I think in this system they will be able to share the ball enough.

[SixerFan03]

Who's the number option for scoring now.

Good question. Obviously Iverson is until Melo comes back. After that, it's anyone's guess. My first thought is Anthony because Iverson is the better passer and Anthony is the Nugget's Franchise. Although it might end up being Iverson because he needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective, while Melo can play with a reduced role. We'll find out in January.


Package Sammy and Webber together. Willie Green and Webber. Bout it, Sixers wont package Iggy and Korver. First round pick and Webber? Eh

Billy King should be fired if he trades any more first round picks. I wouldn't mind trading Sammy and Webber. Maybe the Sixers can trade Dalembert after the lottery. We need to see if we get Oden first.

[GOBB]

Man the nuggets came out of this one well, AI for andre miller and filler? no way in the world that wouldve happened if AI announced he wanted out. I feel bad for the sixers (fans and players equally) because its going to be a long long year for them. I'm kinda looking forward to watching AI and Carmelo team up should, should be an interesting combo. On the plus side for the nuggets as well AI's arrival means they shouldn't go on as much of a slant during Melo's ban

When Sixers were reading him in the offseason most fans were claiming "You're not gonna get equal value" citing various players of AI's caliber and deals that got done. The consensus here, reading articles on another sports forum was just that...you wont get equal value for a player with AI age and deal.

Fast forward to now...he's been traded and fans are saying "Sixers got robbed", "Denver got over", "I feel sorry for the Sixers Dre Miller + filler for AI?". :confusedshrug:

I'm confused you can get value for AI or you cant. Either or. You tell me what the Sixers can get for AI.

[MyAI]

Fghfjghj

[All Net]

everyone is forgetting the steal of the trade

Ivan McFarlin

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Y2Gezee]

God this suspension to Melo is really pissing me off now. Can't wait to see those 2 together. They're going to be a high energy, high scoring team. And believe it or not, AI's quickness and energy plus ability to play passing lanes makes him a defensive lift over Miller who was lazy on that end, and slow and was useless defending screens. And Melo has really improved defensively this year, Camby is cleanup guy, and Nene (when he gets healthy) is a good defender and has shown it when playing. Im thinking they should possibly start Khouba for his defense and bring JR off as a 6th man unless he improves his D.

This group will work. I have always believed that AI isn't necessarily selfish, just had to be on his team. He's going to a team with a better scorer that's scoring 108 a game without him. And without Dre, they're going to need AI to be a playmaker first and foremost. They are a dangerous group when things were clicking, but sometimes they relied on Melo too much. I believe Melo will continue to lead the league in scoring or get 30 and AI will get maybe 9-10 assists a game. and score in the mid 20s while the other guys that score will be about 15 and below. I think AI will be instantly willing to score less as he isn't that efficient and Karl demands efficiency (except out of Earl for some reason?)

But its fun to speculate, while Im almost positive they'll be fine, it could be a train wreck to begin it all, and sadly we have to wait a long time to see it all together.

As for people saying they'll need to trade Martin or JR or whomever. For the most part it isn't happening. They're going to keep JR and since his stats aren't going to be that eye popping anymore, he wont get too much money. And Kroenke can afford to pay out all this money. He's one of the richest and willing owners in the league, and that's just off his money, not including his wife is one of the Wal-mart kids

[MyAI]

I would Like to say it's my new scratch line!
good wishes to AI!

[lemondude]

dude, nobody expect arenas to be great and there he is on top of the mountain. besides, the rate sixers are player, their own pick may be in the top 3.

[Y2Gezee]

What if Oden does not come out after this season if they don't win a title, and decides to try again with a fully healthy wrist? There will be a lot of tanking teams upset?

[statman32]

so im def gonna try to trade jr to some unsuspecting owner when he comes back

[SixerFan03]

What if Oden does not come out after this season if they don't win a title, and decides to try again with a fully healthy wrist? There will be a lot of tanking teams upset?

Yep. I'll be upset. This is a good draft, but Oden is the closest thing you can get to a lock in the draft.

[Bigboi450]

Good Luck to George Karl in managing all that talent. Only time will tell if that's a good problem to have. Melo's scoring will miss Andre. He set up his guys nicely. I just hope my fantasy team doesn't suffer, I'm starting Miller and Camby. Good luck to both squads. Denver has the potential to be a nightmare of a match-up for opposing teams. JANUARY 20th!!!!MELO'S Back.

[Mahmoud]

this season, probably...but they're getting three first rounders in most hyped draft class for some time (along with 2003). also, it's make it or break it for iggy, dalembert, korver, green and so on. if there's any true potential in them, this will bring it out.


Philly and Phoenix are rocking the draft next year, they both have 3 1st rounders apiece.