If Wade keeps this up will he be considered the greatest Finals performer ever??

[Doctor Rivers]

I mean his PER is off the charts once again for this series and it's better than anything Duncan or Jordan has ever done.

Dwyane Wade - 29.95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgE2JG1k0Fg

[creepingdeath]

:roll:

Not even the best performance of the 21st century or the 90s. Ever heard of those guys named Jordan and Shaq?

[ImmortalD24]

As long as he gets the Mavs and doesn't decline all that much.. Easily yes.

[Fatal9]

http://playunderreview.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg

[Apocalyptic0n3]

Shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Isiah and Joe D (collectively), possibly Hakeem and Kareem, Magic, etc. all were better Finals players than Wade. I'm sure Russell and Wilt both were far better as well.

[Jotaro Durant]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[gilalizard]

Nope.

He generally gets too much ref help.

[Doctor Rivers]

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[asdf1990]

I know wade is having a great finals but lets not go over board.

[inclinerator]

maybe if it was against a more defensive minded team

[SebasMiamiFan]

If he wins like 4 more rings and is still the Finals MVP, then maybe.

[ball_handler]

easy to put up great stats when you have the greatest sidekick of all time

[97 bulls]

Wade = best Finals performer ever.


And Wade = one of the best playoff performers of alltime. Wade is Top 10 Alltime for career playoff PER.

and no one in the back 3 positions of any active player ever played so well against elite defenses in the playoffs as Wade has. Wade has played against elite defenses 68% of the time.

BEAST !!
What was jordans 93 finals per? The year he avg 41/9/6/2/1 on 52% shooting

[Fatal9]

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Using PER for a single series is retarded. Look at Hollinger's list of greatest finals performances based on it, just terrible.

[alenleomessi]

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it should be more like
shaq
jordan
duncan
wade

[OldSchoolBBall]

I mean his PER is off the charts once again for this series and it's better than anything Duncan or Jordan has ever done.

Dwyane Wade - 29.95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgE2JG1k0Fg

Duncan's 2003 Finals and MJ's '91-'93 Finals are easily better.

[blablabla]

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[Ne 1]

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[ThePointGuard11]

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31, 6 & 11 on 56% shooting, that's pretty damn impressive.

[IGOTGAME]

Duncan's 2003 Finals and MJ's '91-'93 Finals are easily better.

Easily? Wade's totally dominated Dallas. It was one of the greatest performances ever. You think each of Jordan's performaces was better?

[Doranku]

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So Shaq scored more, rebounded more, assisted the same, and shot 13% better from the field, yet his PER was lower?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: What a shitty statistic.

[G.O.A.T]

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Good post, that certainly proves how meaningless PER is.

[Nash]

How many finals games has Wade played comparing to the others?

[Snicklefritz]

Holy crap, I can sorta remember jordans 31ppg during the finals, but I didn't know about that 11asst average.

[d.bball.guy]

Good post, that certainly proves how meaningless PER is.
This.

[brandonman]

I will admit, Wade is acting a Donkey out there, but the answer is no. I cant give him the Title of "Greatest NBA Finals Performance EVER"

[OldSchoolBBall]

Easily? Wade's totally dominated Dallas. It was one of the greatest performances ever. You think each of Jordan's performaces was better?

Are you insane? Yeah, MJ's first three-peat Finals were all better.

Wade averaged 34.7 pts/7.8 reb/3.8 ast/46.8% FG/57% TS

Jordan averaged:

31.2 pts/6.6 reb/11.4 ast/55.8% FG/66% TS
35.8 pts/4.8 reb/6.5 ast/52.6% FG/62% TS
41.0 pts/8.5 reb/6.3 ast/51.0% FG/56% TS

And Jordan did this without the travesty of officiating that was the 2006 Finals, where Wade might as well have had a ref uniform on, shooting 16.2 FTA/gm and 25 and 21 FTA in the final 2 games. :oldlol: So yeah, like I said - easily better. Shaq's first three-peat finals were all easily better too, as was Duncan's 2003 Finals, Magic's 1987 (and possibly one other finals), and Bird's 1986 Finals (and possibly one other one as well).

Wade's 2006 Finals arguably isn't even better than Jordan's 1997 Finals where he averaged 32.3 pts/7.0 reb/6.0 ast/47% FG, hit two game-winning shots plus had one game-winning assist, and had the "flu game" as well.

.

[Teanett]

fukk PER!
just watch the games.
i'd take barkley's '93 over wade... in a loss.

[catch24]

Are you insane? Yeah, MJ's first three-peat Finals were all better.

Wade averaged 34.7 pts/7.8 reb/3.8 ast/46.8% FG/57% TS

Jordan averaged:

31.2 pts/6.6 reb/11.4 ast/55.8% FG/66% TS
35.8 pts/4.8 reb/6.5 ast/52.6% FG/62% TS
41.0 pts/8.5 reb/6.3 ast/51.0% FG/56% TS

And Jordan did this without the travesty of officiating that was the 2006 Finals, where Wade might as well have had a ref uniform on, shooting 16.2 FTA/gm and 25 and 21 FTA in the final 2 games. :oldlol: So yeah, like I said - easily better. Shaq's first three-peat finals were all easily better too, as was Duncan's 2003 Finals, Magic's 1987 (and possibly one other finals), and Bird's 1986 Finals (and possibly one other one as well).

Wade's 2006 Finals arguably isn't even better than Jordan's 1997 Finals where he averaged 32.3 pts/7.0 reb/6.0 ast/47% FG, hit two game-winning shots plus had one game-winning assist, and had the "flu game" as well.

.

Great post OSB. Wade's Finals performance was legendary, but when comparing it to Jordan's early 3-peat output? It's not close; Jordan was more efficient, productive, and his points came from far less FT's.

[ball_handler]

So Shaq scored more, rebounded more, assisted the same, and shot 13% better from the field, yet his PER was lower?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: What a shitty statistic.
manipulating stats is the only way wade fans can put a top 50 player of all time in a discussion of top 10

[Kellogs4toniee]

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It's things like this that show-case how ridiculously retarded PER can be, and how twisted its used these days.

[lilblingy]

nah shaq, jordan, russell, bird and magic all have at least 2 finals better than 06's FT fest.

[rmt]

How many finals games has Wade played comparing to the others?

Games played:

Wade 3
Shaq 4
MJ 5
Duncan 6

Let's see if Wade can maintain those stats

Sorry - just noticed that those were for 2006 (not 2011) so that was over 6 games.

[Ne 1]

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PER is meaningless, just something fantasy basketball players and John Hollinger nut huggers gag over. Anyone can make a formula up.

[Papaya Petee]

Well if he continues this, it will be.

34\8\4 46% Finals MVP
29\9\5 57% Finals MVP

it will certainly be up there with the greats, but Jordan, Shaq, Duncan got him beat, and others as well.

Now if he would win a 3rd Finals MVP with something like 30\5\5 50% then he could be top 3-7.

[Harison]

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[The Macho Man]

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:lol

Wade ballin though.

Not quite GOAT ballin

[Dizzle-2k7]

So Shaq scored more, rebounded more, assisted the same, and shot 13% better from the field, yet his PER was lower?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: What a shitty statistic.

LOL. Props to Wade hes been beasting no doubt.. but those numbers dont lie.

[DuMa]

no just no.... stop. before you spread this disease

[DeronMillsap]

One thing is certain, Wade is a much better Finals performer than Kobe.

[creepingdeath]

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[The Macho Man]

One thing is certain, Wade is a much better Finals performer than Kobe.

True but if 06 kobe was able to face 06 mavs in the playoffs...:bowdown:

[Ne 1]

True but if 06 kobe was able to face 06 mavs in the playoffs...:bowdown:

Kobe vs the same Mavs team that season:

53/7/1 on 52 FG%

Lakers swept the series 2-0.

[Boston C's]

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dude that per shit is so overrated... jordan and shaq have better numbers then him easily in their finals and you could argue duncan too

[kaiiu]

2 finals vs 2 shit defensive teams, eh no.

Not even top 10

[Boston C's]

Wade = best Finals performer ever.


And Wade = one of the best playoff performers of alltime. Wade is Top 10 Alltime for career playoff PER.

and no one in the back 3 positions of any active player ever played so well against elite defenses in the playoffs as Wade has. Wade has played against elite defenses 68% of the time.

BEAST !!

you sir are on crack....

[BlackJoker23]

Kobe vs the same Mavs team that season:

53/7/1 on 52 FG%

Lakers swept the series 2-0.
lol @ this f@ggot. he averaged 43 ppg on 44% shooting you clown. get your facts straight. the series was 2-1.

[Doctor Rivers]

Wade = best Finals performer ever.


And Wade = one of the best playoff performers of alltime. Wade is Top 10 Alltime for career playoff PER.

and no one in the back 3 positions of any active player ever played so well against elite defenses in the playoffs as Wade has. Wade has played against elite defenses 68% of the time.

BEAST !!

TRUTH

[Hank]

2 finals vs 2 shit defensive teams, eh no.

Not even top 10

That's comical because before this series started everyone was saying how good Dallas's defense has been in the playoffs. And how much trouble they would give the Heat.

If their defense was shit, they wouldn't have swept the Lakers and held the firepower of the Thunder down to beat them 4 games to 1.

The Mavs are packing the paint with some really good defenders down low like Chandler etc, and Wade is eating them alive in the paint anyway with ridiculous high 57% percentages

[BlackJoker23]

:roll: @ kobe going 5-22 against the same dallas defense that wade destroyed. all this while being outplayed by brian cook, a scrub on his own team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html

[Boston C's]

TRUTH


what is wrong with you and heat007... is wade like your father or somethin because only wade ******gers would think hes the greatest finals performer ever

[Hank]

:roll: @ kobe going 5-22 against the same dallas defense that wade destroyed. all this while being outplayed by brian cook, a scrub on his own team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html

so then Kobe went 5/22 against a "shit defense", as kobestans say. :facepalm




Why do kobestans always end up getting their foot shoved into their collective mouths ?

[Heat007]

:roll: @ kobe going 5-22 against the same dallas defense that wade destroyed. all this while being outplayed by brian cook, a scrub on his own team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html


:roll:

[Doctor Rivers]

what is wrong with you and heat007... is wade like your father or somethin because only wade ******gers would think hes the greatest finals performer ever

Well he isn't right now, but by the end of the Finals he could be.

[Rekindled]

easy to put up good stats, when Jason Terry is guarding you . i can drop 40 a game agianst terry

[Boston C's]

Well he isn't right now, but by the end of the Finals he could be.

Itll be the greatest finals performance if he can raise his averages to say idk 40 ppg 10 rebounds and like 7 assists lol... lets see what he does the rest of the series before we annoint him anythin, for all we know lebron could go for 40 next game and wade could blow but we'll see 2morrow

[Boston C's]

and for the record I want nothin more then to see wade get finals mvp if the heat win the series because it is indeed his team and not lebrons

[f0und]

not the greatest but one of the greatest.

what he did in 06, you cant just look at his raw stats. you have to look at how he did it, and the circumstance they were in. they were basically already in the grave with the final pile of dirt about to be dumped on. but wade said "**** that shit. we aint going out like that." so he busted through the coffin, clawed himself out of the grave and dragged his teammates out with him, and the rest is history. thats what made it so great. his numbers are indications of a pretty good finals, but the story behind it is legendary.

[Doctor Rivers]

not the greatest but one of the greatest.

what he did in 06, you cant just look at his raw stats. you have to look at how he did it, and the circumstance they were in. they were basically already in the grave with the final pile of dirt about to be dumped on. but wade said "**** that shit. we aint going out like that." so he busted through the coffin, clawed himself out of the grave and dragged his teammates out with him, and the rest is history. thats what made it so great. his numbers are indications of a pretty good finals, but the story behind it is legendary.

for sure!!

[Fatal9]

http://i54.tinypic.com/315dcbd.jpg

explain this. among the many head scratching PER rankings for the finals.

[Heat007]

not the greatest but one of the greatest.

what he did in 06, you cant just look at his raw stats. you have to look at how he did it, and the circumstance they were in. they were basically already in the grave with the final pile of dirt about to be dumped on. but wade said "**** that shit. we aint going out like that." so he busted through the coffin, clawed himself out of the grave and dragged his teammates out with him, and the rest is history. thats what made it so great. his numbers are indications of a pretty good finals, but the story behind it is legendary.

Exactly.

after being down 0-2, Pat Riley told Wade to take over the team in Game 3 because that was our only chance of winning the series.

And Wade took that shit over and fvcked up the Mavs into oblivion.

When teams are down 0-2 in a series, they lose 94% of the time according to NBA history. But when Wade is in his God-mode that percentage dwindles down into his favor.

BEAST !

[Hank]

Exactly.

after being down 0-2, Pat Riley told Wade to take over the team in Game 3 because that was our only chance of winning the series.

And Wade took that shit over and fvcked up the Mavs into oblivion.

When teams are down 0-2 in a series, they lose 94% of the time according to NBA history. But when Wade is in his God-mode that percentage dwindles down into his favor.

BEAST !

That is it. After being down 2-0 Wade had to play absolutely perfect basketball in all areas of his game on offense and defense to come back. And he did it in Michael Jordan fashion.

Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.

[Boston C's]

That is it. Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.

You heat fans are so delusional its not even funny...

his performance was amazing no doubt but you can argue so many performances to be better then his so plz think before you speak

[ball_handler]

That is it. After being down 2-0 Wade had to play absolutely perfect basketball in all areas of his game on offense and defense to come back. And he did it in Michael Jordan fashion.

Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.
Miami Heat 05-06 NBA Champions*

[f0und]

should wade continue to play at this current level, and the heat go on to win the title, wade will simply be known as a great player who plays his best ball on the biggest stage. i dont know where that would put him as far as greatest finals performers, but you cant say that about very many players.

[Bring-Your-Js]

If Wade maintains or unbelievably, IMPROVES his current pace: 29/9/5/57%, he's undoubtedly one of the greatest Finals performers ever. He's not getting half as many FTs as 06 and is otherworldly regardless.

Obviously, 2000-2002 Shaq and 1991-1993 MJ are standards. Magic's 1987 was rather surreal (26 ppg, 13 apg, 8 rpg, 54% fg), Bird's 1986 (24 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 9.5 apg, 48%) including 29/12/11 closeout. Wade's up there.

[SpecialQue]

That is it. After being down 2-0 Wade had to play absolutely perfect basketball in all areas of his game on offense and defense to come back. And he did it in Michael Jordan fashion.

Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.

So not only is Wade = Jordan, his 06 performance is better than any game played by Jordan, Russell, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, Duncan, etc., etc.?

I don't know if this is cute or just really sad.

[ThaSwagg3r]

It is like people forgot that Michael Jordan existed. :facepalm

6 Championships, 6 Finals MVP, averaged 34, 6, 6, under 48% shooting in the six finals he played in. Talk to me when Wade plays as many and averages as much as MJ did.

[Disaprine]

I mean his PER is off the charts once again for this series and it's better than anything Duncan or Jordan has ever done.

Dwyane Wade - 29.95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgE2JG1k0Fg
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww132/israel_2313/9596FinalsCigarGreyWall.jpg

[AirJordan&Magic]

That is it. After being down 2-0 Wade had to play absolutely perfect basketball in all areas of his game on offense and defense to come back. And he did it in Michael Jordan fashion.

Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.

:roll: Get the hell out of here with this fanboy nonsense. I like Wade, but guys like you are really starting to make me argue against him.

No, Wade's 06 performance is not the best in history. Watch Michael Jordan's 1991 finals performance (And really watch in-depth footage) and I guarantee you will be singing a different tune.

I watched the 1991 finals live as a 4th grader, and to see that this Hollinger jackass ranked Wade's 06 performance over that Jordan performance is disrespect to the history of basketball.

What Wade did was legendary... But what Jordan did in 1991 was completely unreal. I have NEVER seen Wade (Or any player for that matter) completely tear apart a defense from every aspect effortlessly like Jordan did to the Lakers that series.

Cutting through every angle of the defense to get to the rack for spectacular layups, off-ball movement, spectacular playmaking, mid-range dominance, defense.... HE WAS THAT DAMN GOOD. And he didn't need 97 free throws to finish the Lakers either.

Honestly,... I wouldn't even rank Wade's 06 performance over Jordan's 92 or 93 performance, Duncan's 03 performance, Shaq's 2000 & 2001 performance, or Hakeem's 1994-1995 performances.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Seriously, this Heat dickriding is getting sickening.

It's bad enough people were actually questioning if LeBron is a greater player than Michael ****ing Jordan...... and now people are sitting here actually entertaining this ludacrous idea that Wade is actually a better finals performer than Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'neal, & Hakeem Olajuwon?

:facepalm

[jstern]

Seriously, this Heat dickriding is getting sickening.

It's bad enough people were actually questioning if LeBron is a greater player than Michael ****ing Jordan...... and now people are sitting here actually entertaining this ludacrous idea that Wade is actually a better finals performer than Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'neal, & Hakeem Olajuwon?

:facepalm

I'm kind of used to the Kobe trolls trying to twist and turn Kobe's finals number, or put down Jordan's numbers to make a case of Kobe being better than him, so this Wade discussion has like no effect through my eyes. At least his performance is worthy to be in the discussion of the top ten finals performances.

[Bring-Your-Js]

Wade's better this year than '06 and its partially due to the stigma/conspiracy with 97 FTs. 29/9/5 on 57% better than 35/8/4/47% with as few of FTs he's attempted per game in comparison. That said, its still only thru 3 games. 5-7 will tell a better story.

[Jacks3]

No, he's not even remotely close.

2006: Played a team that wasn't even top 10 defensively and was obviously gifted by the refs a ridiculous 16 FTA per game.

2010: Played by a 38-yr old Jason Kidd while having the best player in the world and a All-Star PF taking pressure off him. Oh, and he doesn't having the Mavs best defender by far (Marion) guarding him. That's what happens when you play with LeBron James.

[dsrdsr]

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[yeaaaman]

I'm surprised the series is even 2-1, it should be 3-0. I mean they have the best all around player of all time and lock for GOAT in Lebron James, add to that having the best NBA Finals performer of all time, there is no way this series should even be close. :applause:

[Boston C's]

I'm surprised the series is even 2-1, it should be 3-0. I mean they have the best all around player of all time and lock for GOAT in Lebron James, add to that having the best NBA Finals performer of all time, there is no way this series should even be close. :applause:

Dallas was in every game idk how it should be 3-0... and lebron as goat is laughable

[yeaaaman]

Dallas was in every game idk how it should be 3-0... and lebron as goat is laughable

Well according to a lot of ppl on ISH, and Scottie Pippen, Lebron is the best all around player of all time, already, surely once he gets some titles they would consider him GOAT as well.

As for Wade, some people clearly seem to think he's the GOAT finals performer. What else do they need?

[juju151111]

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Per is a flawed stat. MJ in 91 put up better stats while guarding magic. MJ in 92 too while shutting down clyde. Per doesn't take into account certain things. Lol MJ had Wade beat in FG% and asts. Yet per gives it to Wade haa.

[Hank]

I think it's quite clear that Dwyane Wade is most certainly the greatest Finals performer in the modern era of basketball.

[Doctor Rivers]

I think it's quite clear that Dwyane Wade is most certainly the greatest Finals performer in the modern era of basketball.

This guy knows what's up!

[rmt]

I think it's quite clear that Dwyane Wade is most certainly the greatest Finals performer in the modern era of basketball.

Not to the rest of the world - those not wearing homer glasses.

[rmt]

That is it. After being down 2-0 Wade had to play absolutely perfect basketball in all areas of his game on offense and defense to come back. And he did it in Michael Jordan fashion.

Anyone who doesn't think Wade's 06 performance isn't the best in history is a total idiot and a damn fool.

When I think of 06 Finals, I think of bad officiating - payback (I'm a Spurs fan) for the DAL-SA series.

[shawbryant]

He only plays games against Mavs in the finals.

[LA_Showtime]

I think it's quite clear that Dwyane Wade is most certainly the greatest Finals performer in the modern era of basketball.

That's fair, arguable, but fair. Dude's been an absolute monster. If he keeps up his play and wins Finals MVP, people are going to have to seriously reconsider where he belongs among the top 10-20, and if LeBron's been overrated or Wade's simply been underrated his entire career.

[Doctor Rivers]

That's fair, arguable, but fair. Dude's been an absolute monster. If he keeps up his play and wins Finals MVP, people are going to have to seriously reconsider where he belongs among the top 10-20, and if LeBron's been overrated or Wade's simply been underrated his entire career.

There's no doubt he's been underrated. When you take a look at his whole body of work, he's easily a top 15 player of all time.

[Jacks3]

He only plays games against Mavs in the finals.
Seriously. 9 games against the freaking Mavs and he's one of the best Finals performers ever? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Especially the 2006 Mavs, who were utterly pathetic defensively (for a Finals team)

DRTG: 105.0. Mediocre. They weren't even top 10 in the entire league!!!

Perimeter players had their way with them the entire year!!!

Kobe:
43/5/5/4/57% TS
62/8/3/2/74% TS in three quarters (:oldlol: )

LeBron:
46/5/4/3/80% TS
36/12/5/2/59% TS

Pierce:
30/6/6/60% TS
32/8/4/2/75% TS

:roll:

[Hank]

Especially the 2006 Mavs, who were utterly pathetic defensively (for a Finals team):

Kobe had an awful 5/22 shooting game against the Mavs that year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html

Wade could not afford such a despicable performance of going 5/22 after the Heat were down 0-2 in the series. Wade had 4 straight legendary performances, and finals performances that can only be matched by Michael Jordan with Wade's superb all-around game for such a young player entering the league. What Wade did was simply legendary and breathtaking.

Kobe has never come close to playing so well in a series, not in his life. Because he's never been as good and as consistent as Wade.

[Jacks3]

Kobe did this to the Mavs that year:

43/5/5/4/57% TS
62/8/3/2/74% TS in three quarters

:roll:


He would destroyed them in any series.

[Jacks3]

Kobe has never come close to playing so well in a series, not in his life. Because he's never been as good and as consistent as Wade.
:lol

[Doctor Rivers]

Kobe had an awful 5/22 shooting game against the Mavs that year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html

Wade could not afford such a despicable performance of going 5/22 after the Heat were down 0-2 in the series. Wade had 4 straight legendary performances, and finals performances that can only be matched by Michael Jordan with Wade's superb all-around game for such a young player entering the league. What Wade did was simply legendary and breathtaking.

Kobe has never come close to playing so well in a series, not in his life. Because he's never been as good and as consistent as Wade.

Why are you even comparing Wade to Kobe? We already know he's superior to him in every way. Lets start the discussion of comparing Wade to MJ.

[SpecialQue]

Wade's gonna have to file sexual harassment charges if these guys don't stop hanging on his nuts.

[stephanieg]

Shaq and Duncan had better series just in the last 10 years, let alone all time. Shaq averaged like 35/15/60% against my hapless Pacers. This series isn't even over yet. He could start to suck like he did against Chicago.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I think it's quite clear that Dwyane Wade is most certainly the greatest Finals performer in the modern era of basketball.

Exactly

Like another poster said, this series should be 3-0 for the Heat. Wade (GOAT Finals performer) and LeBron (All around GOAT) should be dominating this Mavericks team with no other solid players besides Dirk. I guess the Heat are just trying to be nice

[PJR]

Shaq and Duncan had better series just in the last 10 years, let alone all time. Shaq averaged like 35/15/60% against my hapless Pacers. This series isn't even over yet. He could start to suck like he did against Chicago.

Or he could continue to go apeshit as he did against Boston....

[DirtySanchez]

He keeps this up and I will put him up there. Wade has been phenomenal.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Lets start the discussion of comparing Wade to MJ.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/jack.gif

[Ne 1]

Kobe had an awful 5/22 shooting game against the Mavs that year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200602070DAL.html

Wade could not afford such a despicable performance of going 5/22 after the Heat were down 0-2 in the series. Wade had 4 straight legendary performances, and finals performances that can only be matched by Michael Jordan with Wade's superb all-around game for such a young player entering the league. What Wade did was simply legendary and breathtaking.

Kobe has never come close to playing so well in a series, not in his life. Because he's never been as good and as consistent as Wade.

How disingenuous of you. You cherry picked Kobe's worst game against Dallas that year when he was playing injured and use that like was how he normally performed against them. :oldlol: I can just as easily point out Wade's 6-19 game in game 2 against Dallas. It doesn't prove anything.

When Kobe was healthy he destroyed that Mavs team. 43/5/4/2/1 46 FG% and 62/8/3 58 FG%. Singlehandedly beat the Mavs both times with a lineup of Smush Parker/Chris Mihm/Lamar Odom/Brain Cook. Not to mention that 62 point performance, he outscored the entire Mavericks team through 3 quarters. That is the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock.

[f0und]

How disingenuous of you. You cherry picked Kobe's worst game against Dallas that year when he was playing injured and use that like was how he normally performed against them. :oldlol: I can just as easily point out Wade's 6-19 game in game 2 against Dallas. It doesn't prove anything.

When Kobe was healthy he destroyed that Mavs team. 43/5/4/2/1 46 FG% and 62/8/3 58 FG%. Singlehandedly beat the Mavs both times with a lineup of Smush Parker/Chris Mihm/Lamar Odom/Brain Cook. Not to mention that 62 point performance, he outscored the entire Mavericks team through 3 quarters. That is the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock.


yeah, but thats regular season kobe. we all know he doesnt bring it in the finals.

[f0und]

dallas's defense wasnt bad that year. if i remember correctly, they were top 5 in many of the defensive categories.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Jordan hands down best Finals performer, EVER ...

Just watch him ABUSE Magic and the Lakers in 1991 to the tune of 31 ppg / 11 apg

:facepalm

[Ne 1]

yeah, but thats regular season kobe. we all know he doesnt bring it in the finals.

Yeah, even though he has won won 5 out of 7 Finals.

[Hank]

Yeah, even though he has won won 5 out of 7 Finals.

"he" ? Titles is a "team" accomplishment. Not an individual one. And Kobe has a horrible resume in the Finals. The amount of memorable moments he's had in the finals is so few and far in between that it's a total joke to have this guy on anyone's Top 15 list. And that's not what legends are made out of on basketball's biggest stage.

He's an absurd 40% career in the finals. Great front courts with immense interior presences and mismatches there to other teams bailed him out repeatedly. Those are the reasons they got where they did and won.

[f0und]

Yeah, even though he has won won 5 out of 7 Finals.

Troll....


no, his team won it for him. players like jordan, wade, shaq, etc., they won it for their team. big difference. whenever the lakers were in trouble and needed a hero to step up and win the finals for them, they lost because the one that was supposed to step up, didnt. all the other times they won, it was because his team was just too overpowering, not because of some godly play from kobe. they almost lost it last year had his team not grab the offensive rebounds off of all kobe's bricks.

[Hank]

no, his team won it for him. players like jordan, wade, shaq, etc., they won it for their team. big difference. whenever the lakers were in trouble and needed a hero to step up and win the finals for them, they lost because the one that was supposed to step up, didnt. they almost lost it last year had his team not grab the offensive rebounds off of all kobe's bricks.

And they certainly would have lost it if Perkins stayed healthy through the series. Remember the celtics were up 3 games to 2 when Perkins went down with that injury.; And then LA's massive length and advantages in their front court took over and won that series.

[Ne 1]

no, his team won it for him.

You mean like Wade's team won the ECF for him this year? :lol


whenever the lakers were in trouble and needed a hero to step up and win the finals for them, they lost because the one that was supposed to step up, didnt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNFvYFjeyLM&feature=related



all the other times they won, it was because his team was just too overpowering

And the reason Wade won the '06 Finals? 97 FTA's which is more than the Mavs top 3 leading scorers combined.


they almost lost it last year had his team not grab the offensive rebounds off of all kobe's bricks.

Nobody on either team had a good shooting performance during that game.

[SpecialQue]

And they certainly would have lost it if Perkins stayed healthy through the series. Remember the celtics were up 3 games to 2 when Perkins went down with that injury.; And then LA's massive length and advantages in their front court took over and won that series.

Yeah, and the Lakers would have won in 08 if Bynum was healthy blah blah blah. Let's not start THIS argument again.

[f0und]

lol. in trouble of dropping 1 game to the Indiana Pacers? the finals representative of the east during their weakest era? i dont call possibly dropping one game to the pacers being in trouble. thats a stretch.

trouble is when you're getting outplayed and outcoached, being in real danger of losing the series.


but wow, one random good game. even the sun shines on dog's ass some days.

[Hank]

Yeah, and the Lakers would have won in 08 if Bynum was healthy

that doesn't mean they would have won with bynum. But it illustrates the fact that the Lakers success was totally dependent on their frontcourt over the last few years. It's simple - when their frontcourt played well, they won. When they didn't play well, they lost. It didn't matter what kobe did.

The West was very weak when it comes to good front courts. And the lakers with bynum and odom and gasol had a massive advantage to other western teams with that mismatch that other western teams could not overcome.

Teams in the west were not scared of kobe, they were scared of that front court that's so versatile, all can pass well and this is a vital dimension, they were a strong interior presence, and of course their great rebounding to add so many 2nd chance pts and stopping other teams from getting 2nd chance pts. and on and on and on she goes.

And now this year, all of a sudden the west added some good front court players like Dallas adding Chandler to Haywood and Dirk upfront. And OKC bringing in Perkins and Mohammad to add to Ibaka upfront.

and guess what, as soon as teams got some decent frontcourts in the west this year, Kobe looked like garbage in the playoffs and got swept. He could not hide behind that LA front court any longer to clean up his mistakes, his messes, and lack of all around game.. and of course his horrid decision making. And of course having Artest added to the team in recent years took so much defensive responsibility off him making things so easy for kobe.. and we saw how horrible kobe is defensively too when a guy like Jason Terry totally ate Kobe up and spit him out like last week's trash

1) Wade totally played better than Kobe in all 3 instances they have had the same primary supporting casts on their teams. And you can add a 4th if you want to include the 08' olympics where Wade just destroyed Kobe in almost every conceivable measure.

2) Wade outperformed Kobe against similar competition.. and did it routinely over the years (before, and including recently).

3) Wade's teams outperformed Kobe's teams when they had similar supporting primary casts.

4) Defensively, as another good member pointed out, Wade has had 3 defensive synergy statistical seasons in his career that Kobe was never able to accomplish one time in his longer career. Not even one year. Wade is more jordan defensively than kobe ever was. Wade's defensive synergy overall scores resemble Jordans's defensive-synergy numbers, and through multiple seasons not just one lucky fluke year either., But Kobe has never gotten there.

5) Wade has totally outperformed Kobe on basketball's biggest stage ALL 3 TIMES !! That's 2 NBA Finals and the Olympics.. And Kobe has had 8 opportunities at it compared to Wade's 3 opportunities.,., and it didn't matter if Wade less opportunities because he just hasn't had the luck of being with decent supporting casts as often, but Wade still outperformed him every single time when he did have the opportunity


"he" ? Titles is a "team" accomplishment. Not an individual one. And Kobe has a horrible resume in the Finals. The amount of memorable moments he's had in the finals is so few and far in between that it's a total joke to have this guy on anyone's Top 15 list. And that's not what legends are made out of on basketball's biggest stage.

He's an absurd 40% career in the finals. Great front courts with immense interior presences and mismatches there to other teams bailed him out repeatedly. Those are the reasons they got where they did and won.

[f0und]

You mean like Wade's team won the ECF for him this year? :lol

yeah wade did have a pretty bad series. but he had a few big shining moments and left his mark on the series.

[Doctor Rivers]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/jack.gif

You can't deny the way he's performed on the biggest stage. He compares to MJ a helluva lot better than kobe does.

[chazzy]

I'm Heat007 and I'm a huge troll
Look up his WC numbers and clutch performances and tell me teams didn't fear him :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

Wade's been playing great, Lebron's had some monster games, and Bosh has proven himself during this series. That said, let's hold off on the MJ comparisons until the series is finished and the team wins some rings. I know y'all are excited, but don't bust that nut just yet.

[Ne 1]

that doesn't mean they would have won. But it illustrates the fact that the Lakers success was totally dependent on their frontcourt over the last few years. It's simple - when their frontcourt played well, they won. When they didn't play well, they lost. It didn't matter what kobe did.

The West was very weak when it comes to good front courts. And the lakers with bynum and odom and gasol had a massive advantage to other western teams with that mismatch that other western teams could not overcome.

Teams in the west were not scared of kobe, they were scared of that front court that's so versatile, all can pass well and this is a vital dimension, they were a strong interior presence, and of course their great rebounding to add so many 2nd chance pts and stopping other teams from getting 2nd chance pts. and on and on and on she goes.

[QUOTE=Hank]"he" ? Titles is a "team" accomplishment. Not an individual one. And Kobe has a horrible resume in the Finals. The amount of memorable moments he's had in the finals is so few and far in between that it's a total joke to have this guy on anyone's Top 15 list. And that's not what legends are made out of on basketball's biggest stage.

He's an absurd 40% career in the finals. Great front courts with immense interior presences and mismatches there to other teams bailed him out repeatedly. Those are the reasons they got where they did and won.[/QUOT


kobe's range is what has made the lakers length especially successful. otherwise teams could just clog the paint.

honesty there are probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with kobe, while there have only been 1 or 2 guards kobe's level (wade/healthy cp3).

lakers front-court is overrated by idiotic Kobe haters trying to diminish him. this "amazing" front-court and the lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they bring up bynum. I can understand gasol/odom, who have been key for the lakers for the last 3 years, but including bynum? LMAO

bynum-
2008 Reg season: Only played 35 games.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Reg season:Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3 (:oldlol:). Lakers still win Championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7 (:oldlol: ). Lakers win Championship.

there have been more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that have been on kobe's level

These front-courts would have been contenders with a kobe bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head


keep in mind kobe has been averaging 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the lakers last 3 finals runs

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG


Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season:34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Yeah, Kobe can't win with that! What an astronomical difference!


Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier:39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

What's that? Another front-line that's better? Kobe is doomed!


Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat:36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Another better front-court.


Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng:41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

No doubt Kobe will struggle with a front-court that puts up better numbers across the board LMAO.

that's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. No SG could replace kobe except perhaps wade. the kobe bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find.

[Samurai Swoosh]

You can't deny the way he's performed on the biggest stage. He compares to MJ a helluva lot better than kobe does.
Yet still absolutely PALES in comparison to the real authentic (Jordan)

Don't ever compare what Wade did in 2006, which while nice, was HIGHLY questionable ...

To a man who played in a leigitmate defensive era ... and RAN THROUGH like a Juggernaut everyone you dare compare him to in the Finals as best player.

Dominated Magic? Check
Dominated Drexler? Check
Dominated Barkely? Check

That would be like Wade going through LeBron's team, Kobe's team, and Duncan's team in three consecutive years with AMAZING numbers.

I love Wade as much as the next guy (all flopping and diva-ness aside) but for anyone who compares what Wade has done in two finals (one not even over yet) to the PLATINUM standard that Jordan set in three straight Finals in the early 90's needs to be slapped upside their thick ass head.

truth.com

[f0und]

im a wade fan, but lets not go overboard calling him the best at anything yet. he's simply known as someone who plays some of his best ball on the biggest stage. that fact is good enough for me. besides MJ, what other guard can you say that about?

[rmt]

This board is so reactionary - from "If Dirk wins a title this year, do you put it on par with '94 Hakeem and '03 Duncan?" to "If Wade keeps this up will he be considered the greatest Finals performer ever?" depending on which team wins.

So much what have you done lately. Dirk was on a run at the end of game 3 but just because he missed the game winning shot, there are no threads claiming he's on a legendary run - instead it's Wade who's being hailed as greatest Finals performer ever. LOL.

[PJR]

im a wade fan, but lets not go overboard calling him the best at anything yet. he's simply known as someone who plays some of his best ball on the biggest stage. that fact is good enough for me. besides MJ, what other guard can you say that about?

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Duncan21formvp]

it should be more like
shaq
jordan
duncan
wade
Shaq 2006 finals puts him behind Jordan.

[Bring-Your-Js]

im a wade fan, but lets not go overboard calling him the best at anything yet. he's simply known as someone who plays some of his best ball on the biggest stage. that fact is good enough for me. besides MJ, what other guard can you say that about?

Few and far between. Among GUARDS in general, Magic Johnson was especially incredible sans when he was hurt in 1989 or was most likely playing with HIV in 1991 (retired a few weeks into 91-92). For example in 1987 he put 26/13/8/54% on the Celtics, capturing both the regular season MVP + Finals MVP.

[cteach111]

This board is so reactionary - from "If Dirk wins a title this year, do you put it on par with '94 Hakeem and '03 Duncan?" to "If Wade keeps this up will he be considered the greatest Finals performer ever?" depending on which team wins.

So much what have you done lately. Dirk was on a run at the end of game 3 but just because he missed the game winning shot, there are no threads claiming he's on a legendary run - instead it's Wade who's being hailed as greatest Finals performer ever. LOL.

i wouldn't say its reactionary. It just shows you how thin the line is between the good and the great players.

[Samurai Swoosh]

i wouldn't say its reactionary. It just shows you how thin the line is between the good and the great players.
No they are young, dumb and VERY reactionary. To EXTREME levels. As thus guy pointed out perfectly.

[ace23]

No they are young, dumb and VERY reactionary. To EXTREME levels. As thus guy pointed out perfectly.
You are actually the reactionary one, not being able to accept the fact that this generation might have a more clutch performer than MJ. Wade may very well hold this title when it's all said and done.

[rmt]

No they are young, dumb and VERY reactionary. To EXTREME levels. As thus guy pointed out perfectly.

girl

[Doctor Rivers]

You are actually the reactionary one, not being able to accept the fact that this generation might have a more clutch performer than MJ. Wade may very well hold this title when it's all said and done.

exactly

in terms of clutchness Wade is close to MJ

[Bring-Your-Js]

exactly

in terms of clutchness Wade is close to MJ

Pretty surreal Wade is being dismissed like this when Bryant has shot 40% or worse in five of seven finals and Lebron hasn't even eclipsed 25 Points in a Finals game yet despite being "2nd all time in playoff PPG". :facepalm

[rmt]

You are actually the reactionary one, not being able to accept the fact that this generation might have a more clutch performer than MJ. Wade may very well hold this title when it's all said and done.

If Dirk makes that game winning shot, this thread doesn't exist. Does missing one shot in his career turn his "legendary" run into an ignored/under appreciated performance? Both of them are having great series - let's not jump overboard here - compared to MJ after one series and 3 games - hilarious.

[Samurai Swoosh]

You are actually the reactionary one, not being able to accept the fact that this generation might have a more clutch performer than MJ. Wade may very well hold this title when it's all said and done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/hustlin.gif

No being reactionary is saying someone is already a more clutch performer than Jordan.

By the way, who is this person who is more clutch than Jordan that you speak of?

You don't make the comparison till it actually is DONE.

And as it stands right now, Wade's not even close comprable to Jordan as a clutch performer.

You can't be serious ... lol ... and that's no knock on Wade.

[rmt]

i wouldn't say its reactionary. It just shows you how thin the line is between the good and the great players.

No, it's perception. They're still the same players they were before (say a game winning shot). All it says is how hard it is to win and why we should appreciate those who have won over and over and over again.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Yes, if he can keep getting the Mavs.

[Heavincent]

No.

[ace23]

No being reactionary is saying someone is already a more clutch performer than Jordan.

By the way, who is this person who is more clutch than Jordan that you speak of?

You don't make the comparison till it actually is DONE.

And as it stands right now, Wade's not even close comprable to Jordan as a clutch performer.

Operative phrase in OP: "keeps this up"

And with this post, you have proven that you have no idea what reactionary means.

:facepalm

[ace23]

If Dirk makes that game winning shot, this thread doesn't exist. Does missing one shot in his career turn his "legendary" run into an ignored/under appreciated performance? Both of them are having great series - let's not jump overboard here - compared to MJ after one series and 3 games - hilarious.
That shot may have added to his legacy if Wade had led them to victory in OT.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Operative phrase in OP: "keeps this up"

And with this post, you have proven that you have no idea what reactionary means.

:facepalm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/StoneFace.gif

[Bring-Your-Js]

That shot may have added to his legacy if Wade had led them to victory in OT.

The Mavericks will keep it close, Lebron will poon out in crunch time and Wade will get his chance.

[Doctor Rivers]

Yes, if he can keep getting the Mavs.

He's historically played well against elite defenses while others (Kobe) have struggled against those same defenses.

[Zackmorris]

Nothing like comedy after work. Thread title delivers

[Bring-Your-Js]

He's historically played well against elite defenses while others (Kobe) have struggled against those same defenses.

Like Detroit in the 06 ECF? 27/5/6 on 62%. Not True Shooting. FIELD GOAL PCT. Raw ****ing data. :oldlol:

Like Boston last year? 33/6/7/56.4% ...:facepalm:

[T.O.RapsJays]

(Insert Shaq/MJ laughing pic)


http://playunderreview.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg



http://i43.tinypic.com/1fd5pc.gif
:cheers:

[Doctor Rivers]

Like Detroit in the 06 ECF? 27/5/6 on 62%. Not True Shooting. FIELD GOAL PCT. Raw ****ing data. :oldlol:

Like Boston last year? 33/6/7/56.4% ...:facepalm:

Yup Wade's a beast

[Hank]

Beastly. Only a guard close to Jordan caliber can possibly play so well with overall game with such ridiculous efficiency and elite level play against such fantastic defenses in the playoffs. And Wade is obviously that guy, in more ways than one.

[Ne 1]

Beastly. Only a guard close to Jordan caliber can possibly play so well with overall game with such ridiculous efficiency and elite level play against such fantastic defenses in the playoffs. And Wade is obviously that guy, in more ways than one.

Hell no. He was straight-up AWFUL vs Chicago in the Eastern Conference Finals. Historically bad. 19 PPG on under 50% TS, 40 FG% with 5 TOV per game.

[Derka]

lol

[Doctor Rivers]

Beastly. Only a guard close to Jordan caliber can possibly play so well with overall game with such ridiculous efficiency and elite level play against such fantastic defenses in the playoffs. And Wade is obviously that guy, in more ways than one.

I believe Wade can be standing on even ground with Jordan when all is said and done.

[Boston C's]

I believe Wade can be standing on even ground with Jordan when all is said and done.

lmaoooooo hilarious this made my day... wade will MAYBE be standing on even ground with kobe when its all said and done and even thats not a certainty

[Samurai Swoosh]

I believe Wade can be standing on even ground with Jordan when all is said and done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/34pdoqx.gif

[Stuckey]

this thread is the reason why we need mods

why bother putting in the effort to drop knowledge on some ignorant children?

[Kobe24Clutch]

MJ & Shaq say hello. Doctor Rivers = :facepalm :hammerhead:

[SinJackal]

lmao, one finals + 3 games, gtfo. He's barely even been in the Finals. Talk to me again once he's been there 3-4 times. Or 6 like Jordan, who's average Finals performance is considered an amazing single-game performance for a superstar player now.



Shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Isiah and Joe D (collectively), possibly Hakeem and Kareem, Magic, etc. all were better Finals players than Wade. I'm sure Russell and Wilt both were far better as well.

This. Not even close right now.

[oh the horror]

I believe Wade can be standing on even ground with Jordan when all is said and done.



Wtf is going on around here?


STOP THE NONSENSE ALREADY PEOPLE. :roll:

[ukplayer4]

I believe Wade can be standing on even ground with Jordan when all is said and done.




:roll: :roll: :roll:


you have to love ish.

[Doctor Rivers]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


you have to love ish.

What's so funny about that? Plenty of people here will back me up

[Boston C's]

What's so funny about that? Plenty of people here will back me up

WHO lmao...maybe wade bandwagoners

[Hank]

He's right. Remember he said "IF" Wade keeps this up.

And if Wade keeps this play up from what we've seen from him in the Finals for 2 more Finals after this year.. then surely he will be put in the same breath as Jordan.. not as good as jordan as no one will ever be MJ, but in the conversation, in the same sentence of being .85 of jordan

[Kobe24Clutch]

What's so funny about that? Plenty of people here will back me up
notsureifserious
btw how far does Wade have his dick in your mouth? :oldlol:

[Boston C's]

He's right. Remember he said "IF" Wade keeps this up.

And if Wade keeps this play up from what we've seen from him in the Finals for 2 more Finals after this year.. then surely he will be put in the same breath as Jordan.. not as good as jordan as no one will ever be MJ, but in the conversation, in the same sentence

Ok this i can agree with... if wade keeps this up and wins say around 4 rings ill be able to MENTION him with mj, its just that this guy has had some ridiculous posts like wades legacy is already up there with jordans right now which is ridiculous

[Doctor Rivers]

Ok this i can agree with... if wade keeps this up and wins say around 4 rings ill be able to MENTION him with mj, its just that this guy has had some ridiculous posts like wades legacy is already up there with jordans right now which is ridiculous

I never said it's there now. I said IF.

[Boston C's]

I never said it's there now. I said IF.

alright then I can deal with it... I'm a huge wade fan and hope he continues his success which he very well could, the only thing I think is stopping him is injuries which is why I think its dangerous to talk about this... I only hope he stays healthy for the rest of his career

[Quata]

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5965/nbalogo.jpg

[amfirst]

I mean his PER is off the charts once again for this series and it's better than anything Duncan or Jordan has ever done.

Dwyane Wade - 29.95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgE2JG1k0Fg

He is not even the best player in the finals. That title goes to Dirk. Heats need three superstars just to cancel out one superstar. Nothing to brag about.

[Doctor Rivers]

He is not even the best player in the finals. That title goes to Dirk. Heats need three superstars just to cancel out one superstar. Nothing to brag about.

40.25 PER for Wade...nuff said

[Heat007]

He is not even the best player in the finals. That title goes to Dirk. Heats need three superstars just to cancel out one superstar. Nothing to brag about.

you're an idiot. Dirk has been getting massive help from his teammates in the 4th quarters lately like Terry, Barea, Kidd, chandler and marion.

meanwhile Wade is getting no help from Bosh and lebron in the 4th quarters. Wade has 42 points in the 4th quarters compared to 11 from lebron and Bosh isn't much better .

basketball is a team sport. But if you want to talk individual players Dirk is not balling like Wade is. I have a thread up comparing them through 5 games, breaking everything down... go look it up .

Wade's PER is 40 and Dirks is 26 for this series.

[Doctor Rivers]

you're an idiot. Dirk has been getting massive help from his teammates in the 4th quarters lately like Terry, Barea, Kidd, chandler and marion.

meanwhile Wade is getting no help from Bosh and lebron in the 4th quarters. Wade has 42 points in the 4th quarters compared to 11 from lebron and Bosh isn't much better .

basketball is a team sport. But if you want to talk individual players Dirk is not balling like Wade is. I have a thread up comparing them through 5 games, look it up .

Wade's PER is 40 and Dirks is 26 for this series.

:applause:

[Bladers]

40.25 PER for Wade...nuff said

In the last 16 years, here are the teams that made it to the finals with their defensive rating. Wade has played two of them. He has never played a team with a top 5 defense in the Finals. He has played the same soft Mavs who have no legit bigs twice.

1. 1998-99 San Antonio Spurs - 95.0
2. 2003-04 Detroit Pistons Roster - 95.4
3. 1998-99 New York Knickerbockers - 97.5
5. 2002-03 New Jersey Nets - 98.1
6. 1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers - 98.2
7. 2004-05 San Antonio Spurs - 98.8
8. 2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers - 98.9
9. 2007-08 Boston Celtics - 98.9
10. 2001-02 New Jersey - 99.5
11. 2002-03 San Antonio Spurs - 99.7
12. 1997-98 Chicago Bulls - 99.8
13. 2006-07 San Antonio Spurs - 99.9
14. 2004-05 Detroit Pistons - 101.2
15. 2003-04 Los Angeles Lakers - 101.3
16. 2006-07 Cleveland Cavaliers -101.3
17. 2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers - 101.7
18. 1995-96 Chicago Bulls - 101.8
19. 2008-09 Orlando Magic - 101.9
20. 1995-96 Seattle SuperSonics - 102.1
21. 1996-97 Chicago Bulls - 102.4
22. 2010-11 Miami Heat - 103.5
23. 1999-00 Indiana Pacers - 103.6
24. 2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers - 103.7
25. 2009-10 Boston Celtics - 103.8
26. 1996-97 Utah Jazz - 104.0
27. 2005-06 Miami Heat - 104.5
28. 2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers - 104.7
29. 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers - 104.8
30. 2005-06 Dallas Mavericks - 105.0
31. 2010-11 Dallas Mavericks - 105.0
32. 1997-98 Utah Jazz - 105.4
33. 2007-08 Los Angeles Lakers - 105.5

Wade has had the luxury to play against the worst defensive team in the last decade that has made the finals. And probably the worst interior defense that has made the finals EVER with the best player in the game and about to lose!

/thread

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

40.25 PER for Wade...nuff said

this

Wade > Jordan in the finals

[Heat007]

Before the playoffs started Wade was Top 10 alltime in career playoff PER and is leading the NBA in this playoff run for PER yet again. So he's probably moving further up within the all-time Top 10 list this year.

And here's some of the the defenses Wade has faced

04: 3rd best defense
05: 7th best defense and 3rd best defense
06: 7th best defense and #1 defense and 5th best defense
10: 5th best defense
11: 7th best defense and 2nd best defense and #1 defense and 8th best defense

[Doctor Rivers]

/thread

that never works


Wade > Jordan

get used to it now

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

that never works


Wade > Jordan

get used to it now

my nig spittin the truth

[amfirst]

Hell no, wade can't touch Duncan. The dude was clutch and dominated the 4th quarter when his team mates needed him. Also, he didn't need a LeBron caliber player to play with.

[stephanieg]

This finals will be a public referendum on the 2006 Miami title, the most tainted sporting event since the White Sox betting scandal. Wade has completely choked numerous times already, including letting his team choke away HUGE leads during the last five minutes, so it's not looking good. Without gifted phantom FTs that destroy the integrity of the game itself he can't get it done. I hope the refs have different mob ties this time and want Dallas to win.

[LA_Showtime]

you're an idiot. Dirk has been getting massive help from his teammates in the 4th quarters lately like Terry, Barea, Kidd, chandler and marion.

meanwhile Wade is getting no help from Bosh and lebron in the 4th quarters. Wade has 42 points in the 4th quarters compared to 11 from lebron and Bosh isn't much better .

basketball is a team sport. But if you want to talk individual players Dirk is not balling like Wade is. I have a thread up comparing them through 5 games, breaking everything down... go look it up .

Wade's PER is 40 and Dirks is 26 for this series.

I tend to agree with you here. Dirk was bad in game one (for his standards). He was clutch in game 2, but I think even Mavericks fans would admit they won because of Marion and Chandler's play in the first 3 quarters, and Terry (and Dirk) stepping up in the 4th.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

lol

[Jimmy2k8]

Again, where you at, Heat007?

[Ikill]

Again, where you at, Heat007?
Wade was easily the best player in the finals

[Soothing Layup]

this

Wade > Jordan in the finals

I'd bet my bank that jordan could average AT LEAST 45.0 per against this weak ass mavs team. Funny how wade does really good against soft teams, but how well did he do in every other round compared to jordan?

[Soothing Layup]

Also, the difference between wade and Jordan.. and I'm surprised no one has said it.

Wade has played with two top 20 players something Jordan has never had. And wade is 1/2 in the Finals.

Jordan faced defenses wade couldn't even imagine, without a shaq or a Lebron by his side and he won 6/6. Retiring 2 years in his prime.

Wade ain't got shit on Jordan, sorry kids!!

[WeGetRing2012]

Wade was easily the best player in the finals

But Dirk shitted on him :confusedshrug: