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TMac&Luther

12-03-2008, 06:53 PM

If you ask all the defensive coaches in the league who they have to gameplan for the most, Reggie Bush' name comes up in the top 10 on all lists.

Make no mistake, he's not the runner he was suppose to be, but as an overall player he's far from a bust.

He's dangerous in the return game, in space, and now he's scoring touchdowns. So he doesn't run for 1200 yards a season, that doesn't make him a bust. He's a true wild-card, and if defensive coaches believe he's one of the top 10 guys you need to account for, that's good enough for me.

He hasn't lived up to the enormous hype, but he's a very good player.

Saying that defensive coaches put him in the top ten of players to prepare for is completely your opinion and speculative.....none of this crap can be proven. I bet more coaches are worried about someone like Devin Hester than Reggie Bush.

Reggie Bush is great at returning punts, he's good at receiving, and sucks at running the ball. (absolutely putrid there). There are plenty of other players Defensive coaches are more worried about other than a career 3.6 ypc back, who's career long is only 29 yards.

SCY

12-03-2008, 07:17 PM

GOBB

12-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Which top three picks?

Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams

Mario leads all AFC DEs in Sacks and is tied for #2 in the entire NFL........he's going to the probowl this year.

He's not an impact DE. He's not a top 5 DE in the game. He's never been. He is supposed to be Super Mario. Yanno the bigger, stronger version of Julius Peppers. The guy who can play any position on the DL and dominate. You take Mario #1 to be a DPOY candidate, to be the reason your defense is ranked high.

He's a solid DE. So dont confuse bust with bum. You can be a bust and still be a quality NFL starter. But 3yrs into the NFL I can run off DEs before I get to Mario Williams. For a #1 pick that shouldnt be the case. The fact NYG DE Tuck could win the DPOY award and Mario isnt in the picture tells me enough. Again this isnt to diss and say Mario is a bum. Solid DE who has made some quality plays in his young career so far. But he too like Vince Young and Reggie Bush hasnt lived up to the hype, the billing either.

Also you'd take Bush who already has multiple knee injuries over a back who's second in the entire NFL in YPC, 10th in rushing yards, 10th in TDs, and is the 2nd most explosive runningback (behind only Adrian Peterson) in the NFL.

Yes I would.

GOBB

12-03-2008, 07:29 PM

Saying that defensive coaches put him in the top ten of players to prepare for is completely your opinion and speculative.....none of this crap can be proven. I bet more coaches are worried about someone like Devin Hester than Reggie Bush.

Reggie Bush is great at returning punts, he's good at receiving, and sucks at running the ball. (absolutely putrid there). There are plenty of other players Defensive coaches are more worried about other than a career 3.6 ypc back, who's career long is only 29 yards.

And you'd lose your bets. But would that change your view/perception of Reggie Bush if you lost your bets? Nope. Face it, alot of what you type is totally against Bush because of the backlash Houston Texans franchise took for passing up Reggie Bush. So now here is your chance to return the favor so to speak.

Reggie Bush has some flaws and confidence issues when he runs between the tackles. Simply watching game film on him you can see the problems. Will he ever correct them and be a solid rusher? We shall see. Defensive coordinators dont care how putrid he is running the ball. They care that he is a playmaker, a potential threat and want to limit it. He's versatile and can be lined up creating mismatches and you want to find ways to gameplan that. And a key is how to tackle Bush as well. He's no Adrian Peterson. He's no Brian Westbrook. But if you are a defensive coordinator and with the way you have been slamming Bush in here. And the fact you think Devin Hester would be more of a worry than Bush? You would be out of a job after Bush hurts you.

There are teams that have done a good job containing/shutting him down. But those teams NEVER took his abilities no matter what the stats say for granted.

GOBB

12-03-2008, 07:38 PM

One thing Bush fans want to ignore when talking about his receiving stats is the fact that the Saints have had a top 5 (if not higher) passing attack every year of Bush's career.

Way easier to catch passes out of the backfield when defenses are more worried about containment down the field. While Bush has found his niche in NO's offense, I don't think he'd be doing much of anything in say, Chicago.

What does that matter? I doubt Randy Moss would do much if he had a bad QB. I doubt Randy Moss would even be relevant much if he had a bad QB who had zero pass protection. Oh look we saw that with Randy Moss in Oakland. He goes to NE who has a OL and a great QB and what did he do? Monster year.

So you put Reggie Bush in a system where its smash mouth, ball control? Chances are he wouldnt be successful but any smart offensive coordinator would change, adjust the offensive philosophy there to suit his talents, strengths. An example? The gadget, gimmick plays the Eagles use this year have been put in because of Deseasn Jackson. Eagles never did that Wildcat offense stuff. The amount of WR screens and WR/double reverses done this year has been plentiful. All because of Desean Jackson who the team saw had talents/ability to be used this way. They didnt neglect him.

So my point is Chicago wouldnt neglect Reggie Bush and the system would changed, be adjusted to suit his strengths. Thats just basic stuff. :confusedshrug:

TMac&Luther

12-03-2008, 08:05 PM

Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams

He's not an impact DE. He's not a top 5 DE in the game. He's never been. He is supposed to be Super Mario. Yanno the bigger, stronger version of Julius Peppers. The guy who can play any position on the DL and dominate. You take Mario #1 to be a DPOY candidate, to be the reason your defense is ranked high.

He's a solid DE. So dont confuse bust with bum. You can be a bust and still be a quality NFL starter. But 3yrs into the NFL I can run off DEs before I get to Mario Williams. For a #1 pick that shouldnt be the case. The fact NYG DE Tuck could win the DPOY award and Mario isnt in the picture tells me enough. Again this isnt to diss and say Mario is a bum. Solid DE who has made some quality plays in his young career so far. But he too like Vince Young and Reggie Bush hasnt lived up to the hype, the billing either.

Yes I would.

What a damn joke, if you don't think Mario is a top 5 DE than you don't know crap about football and just lose all credibility when talking about the sport.

Mario is one of the few DEs who is a complete DE (not just a speed rusher)......can play both sides of the line and is equally dominant against the pass as he is against the run. He puts up double digit sack #s even when he has to fight through double team, because Houston has nobody else that can rush the passer opposite him.

GOBB

12-03-2008, 08:33 PM

What a damn joke, if you don't think Mario is a top 5 DE than you don't know crap about football and just lose all credibility when talking about the sport.

Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, Osi, Seymour, John Abraham, Justin Tuck

Yeah Mario is without a doubt top 5 at DE. :ohwell:

Mario is one of the few DEs who is a complete DE (not just a speed rusher)......can play both sides of the line and is equally dominant against the pass as he is against the run. He puts up double digit sack #s even when he has to fight through double team, because Houston has nobody else that can rush the passer opposite him.

Yeah it shows in where the Texans defense ranks (get ran all over). :roll:

And Mario has 11 of the teams 20 total sacks. Such an impact. :violin:

starface

12-03-2008, 10:22 PM

What does that matter? I doubt Randy Moss would do much if he had a bad QB.

Last I checked Daunte Culpepper was a bad QB and Randy Moss made him look like a world beater.

Your analogy is awful, and Reggie Bush is clearly a fail.

SCY

12-03-2008, 10:39 PM

So you put Reggie Bush in a system where its smash mouth, ball control? Chances are he wouldnt be successful but any smart offensive coordinator would change, adjust the offensive philosophy there to suit his talents, strengths. An example? The gadget, gimmick plays the Eagles use this year have been put in because of Deseasn Jackson. Eagles never did that Wildcat offense stuff. The amount of WR screens and WR/double reverses done this year has been plentiful. All because of Desean Jackson who the team saw had talents/ability to be used this way. They didnt neglect him.

So my point is Chicago wouldnt neglect Reggie Bush and the system would changed, be adjusted to suit his strengths. Thats just basic stuff. :confusedshrug:

My point (that I didn't really make clear) was that he is in probably the best system possible to maximize his success, and he still is only putting up so-so stats. I agree that you can't necessarily blame a player for not fitting into an offense, but fitting a player isn't always easy. When's the last time Chicago had even an average passing offense?

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 01:35 AM

Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, Osi, Seymour, John Abraham, Justin Tuck

Yeah Mario is without a doubt top 5 at DE. :ohwell:

Yeah it shows in where the Texans defense ranks (get ran all over). :roll:

And Mario has 11 of the teams 20 total sacks. Such an impact. :violin:

One player can't stop a team's running attack by himself and if you knew anything about football (which you've already shown that you lack knowledge) you'd know that DTs have more to do with a run defense, not the DE. Houston's DTs don't have enough junk in the trunk to hold up at the point of attack, but that doesn't mean Mario isn't one of the best run defenders at his position.

It's also a complete joke that you think some of those players are better than Mario.

Stats of each player this year so far and last season.

Jared Allen> 104 tcks and 26 sacks
Justin Tuck> 114 tcks and 21.5 sacks
Aaron Kampman> 108 tcks and 21.5 sacks
John Abraham> 61 tcks and 22.5 sacks
Julius Peppers> 79 tcks and 13.5 sacks (really...cmon)
Dwight Freeney> 42 tcks and 11.5 sacks (your on dope, Freeney is as one dimensional as they come.)
Richard Seymour> 68 tcks and 9 sacks (plus he's a damn 3-4 DE, which really makes him a DT in any other system, your lack of knowledge is really showing)

Mario Williams> 100 tcks and 25 sacks.......the only damn player above that's putting up better production is Jared Allen (you could also make cases for J. Tuck and Kampman, but that's still only 3 players) which EASILY makes Mario a top 5 player at his position, but people that actaully follow the NFL would already know that.

Obviously since Osi has been hurt he can't be compared over the last two seasons, but last year playing next to a HOFer and not having to fight through damn double teams every week Osi had....

Osi> 52 tcks and 13 sacks compared to Mario's 59 tcks and 14 sacks.

and half of Osi's sacks last year came in one damn game against a complete scrub by the name of Winston Justice who isn't even a starter in the NFL. Osi had 6 damn sacks against a goof ball and still couldn't beat Mario on the season.

Anyways I about fell out of my chair when you put Dwight Freeney down......he is the most one dimensional player on that entire list, he does one thing well and that's speed rush (and ever since his foot injury, he doesn't look as explosive), but everywhere else he's not a dominant player......people truck right over his ass when running the ball, he gets manhandled in the running game.

Randy

12-04-2008, 01:46 AM

You have a Rockets avatar and are saying Mario is a top 5 DE. Stop being such an idiot homer.

BTW, Brandon Marshall > Andre Johnson

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 02:02 AM

And Mario has 11 of the teams 20 total sacks. Such an impact. :violin:

Oh, BTW this made me completely laugh and shake my head at how unknowledgable you apparently are about football.....
You practically made my case for me.

John Abraham 12.5 sacks - 24 total team sacks, Abraham is 52% of his team's sacks.
Richard Seymour 7.5 sacks - 23 total team sacks, Seymour is only 32.6% of his team's sacks
Justin Tuck 11.5 sacks - 36 total team sacks, Tuck is just 32% of his team's sacks
Dwight Freeney 8 sacks - 19 total team sacks, Freeney is 42% of his team's sacks
Aaron Kampman 9.5 sacks - 20 total team sacks, Kampman is 47.5% of his team's sacks
Jared Allen 10.5 sacks - 33 total team sacks, Allen is 31.8% of his team's sacks
Julius Peppers 11 sacks - 24 total team sacks, Peppers is 45.8% of his team's sacks

Mario Williams 11 sacks - 20 team sacks, Mario is 55% of his team's sacks.

Hmm......maybe if Houston had a pass rusher oppisite him (like most of the players above), he wouldn't have to fight through double teams all game long (but he still produces). Houston plays a third DT oppisite Mario (Anthony Weaver who has only had 1 single sack in 3 years.) Not exactly the type of player who's going to draw attention off of you.

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 02:06 AM

You have a Rockets avatar and are saying Mario is a top 5 DE. Stop being such an idiot homer.

BTW, Brandon Marshall > Andre Johnson

Speaking the truth is not being a "homer" jackass........I guess Laker fans are homers when they say Kobe is a top 5 player in the NBA? Stupid L.A. homers :rolleyes:

Mario Williams is a top 5 DE right now and the numbers I posted in the above two posts show that........stop being such a dumbass.

Also Brandon Marshall is not > Andre Johnson you ****tard.

Dre leads the entire damn league in catches and receiving yards.......and he's done it with a backup QB.

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 02:20 AM

How man DEs have you ever seen do this to the 250 pound power back like Jamal Lewis?

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb23/brakos82/Animation1.gif

Mario Williams is a top 5 DE, because unlike the vast majority of starting DEs, Mario is the complete package. He can beat you with speed, but is also strong enough to just overpower you, and he's equally strong against the run.

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 02:37 PM

You have a Rockets avatar and are saying Mario is a top 5 DE. Stop being such an idiot homer.

BTW, Brandon Marshall > Andre Johnson

Hey......I guess this guy is a homer too, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM74imZIN9A&feature=related
(and his list was alll DLINEMAN, not just DEs)

GOBB

12-04-2008, 04:36 PM

Last I checked Daunte Culpepper was a bad QB and Randy Moss made him look like a world beater.

Your analogy is awful, and Reggie Bush is clearly a fail.

Culpepper was a bad QB based on what? How did you arrive to this conclusion?

Surely it wasnt done like this...

You say Culpepper coming out of college was a bad QB based on poor skills as a QB. And that Randy Moss made his poor skills as a QB look good if not great. Then when Moss left, dispite tearing his knee up Culpepper showed he was bad. Even tho he played sporadically due to not recovering fully from injury.

:oldlol:

Please stick to topics you have a clue on.

GOBB

12-04-2008, 04:41 PM

TMac&Luther = blatant homer. Not sure why you wasted your time posting all that crap. Better off just saying "I have on blinders so I'll never agree with you when it comes to the Texans."

SCY

12-04-2008, 04:59 PM

TMac&Luther = blatant homer. Not sure why you wasted your time posting all that crap. Better off just saying "I have on blinders so I'll never agree with you when it comes to the Texans."

What was he wrong about? And please don't act like me and TML are the only people with biases in here. You were hyping up Bush & Vince and bashing Mario from before the draft, let's not pretend otherwise.

GOBB

12-04-2008, 05:28 PM

What was he wrong about?

About Mario Williams being a top 5 DE in the NFL. Pretty obvious what he was wrong about. And for such a dominant specimen Mario Williams is, in Tmac&Luther's eyes? Why is he not considered a DPOY candidate? Why doesnt his dominance make others on the DL better?

I've never said dude was a bum, not good. He is a good DE. But I dont see how he is top 5. How is he that much better than Eagles DE Trent Cole? Who is on pace for another double digit sack year after being drafted on the 2nd day of the NFL draft vs Mario going #1 overall.

My initial argument is all 3 of the top picks have been busts. And by bust I mean havent lived up to the hype, expecations given to them when drafted. The arguments to why Mario was more worthy of being #1 in the entire draft? I dont see how he has lived up to those arguments. Primere pass rushing, impact defensive player? Super Mario? He's solid, but I dont recall him ever being considered the best DE in the game or close to it.

And please don't act like me and TML are the only people with biases in here. You were hyping up Bush & Vince and bashing Mario from before the draft, let's not pretend otherwise.

I never hyped up Vince Young before or during the draft. I argued against Vince Young fans/supporters sayin Houston should have took him over Bush.

I was hyping up Reggie Bush. Dont confuse me with others. :no:

And the reason you and other Texan fans are so kamikaze over this is because your team got thrashed during the draft for passing up Bush and even after 1 season when Vince Young had a nice rookie season. Again this is your payback to say "ahahaa Bush is a bust and people slammed us for taking Mario". Thats cool. But dont go overrating Mario in spite to make Bush look like a total waste. He hasnt lived up to the hype that was huge. But if you take that away he still is a solid NFL player like Mario and Vince if he ever returns as a starter. If you guys wanna rank Mario as the better of the 3? Go ahead.

Has little to do with any of the 3 living up to thier billing. And to Mario's credit he has a chance to get there before Bush or Vince ever do. In 2yrs Mario could be the best DE in the game.

SCY

12-04-2008, 05:52 PM

About Mario Williams being a top 5 DE in the NFL. Pretty obvious what he was wrong about. And for such a dominant specimen Mario Williams is, in Tmac&Luther's eyes? Why is he not considered a DPOY candidate? Why doesnt his dominance make others on the DL better?

I've never said dude was a bum, not good. He is a good DE. But I dont see how he is top 5. How is he that much better than Eagles DE Trent Cole? Who is on pace for another double digit sack year after being drafted on the 2nd day of the NFL draft vs Mario going #1 overall.

My initial argument is all 3 of the top picks have been busts. And by bust I mean havent lived up to the hype, expecations given to them when drafted. The arguments to why Mario was more worthy of being #1 in the entire draft? I dont see how he has lived up to those arguments. Primere pass rushing, impact defensive player? Super Mario? He's solid, but I dont recall him ever being considered the best DE in the game or close to it.

I simply think you're unfairly criticizing him for being a #1 pick, which doesn't make much sense for someone who always comes to the #2 pick's defense for not living up to hype. He hasn't taken the NFL by storm...so what? Houston Texans can't control that there are other good players at his position, you can't rate draft picks in that manner. And if he's not Top 5 which is arguable, he's on the cusp. As for making his D-line better, you serious? The only other talented guy on that line is Amobi Okoye and he's been a huge disappointment this season. You can't turn pieces of turds into diamonds.

I never hyped up Vince Young before or during the draft. I argued against Vince Young fans/supporters sayin Houston should have took him over Bush.

I was hyping up Reggie Bush. Dont confuse me with others. :no:

Sorry for the mistake then, but I know you've been a fan of Vince and supported him recently. I know you advocated taking Bush over him, but I assume you would have considered Vince a better pick at the time as well.

And the reason you and other Texan fans are so kamikaze over this is because your team got thrashed during the draft for passing up Bush and even after 1 season when Vince Young had a nice rookie season. Again this is your payback to say "ahahaa Bush is a bust and people slammed us for taking Mario". Thats cool. But dont go overrating Mario in spite to make Bush look like a total waste. He hasnt lived up to the hype that was huge. But if you take that away he still is a solid NFL player like Mario and Vince if he ever returns as a starter. If you guys wanna rank Mario as the better of the 3? Go ahead.

Has little to do with any of the 3 living up to thier billing. And to Mario's credit he has a chance to get there before Bush or Vince ever do. In 2yrs Mario could be the best DE in the game.

You're right, but hey, what else are Texans fans gonna have the chance to argue about?

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 06:12 PM

TMac&Luther = blatant homer. Not sure why you wasted your time posting all that crap. Better off just saying "I have on blinders so I'll never agree with you when it comes to the Texans."

epic fail........why don't you just type "I don't know shit about the NFL and am completely wrong about Mario being a top 5 DE in the NFL", because that's what you pretty much just said by not coming back with a real argument to discount my previous posts....but hey don't get your lacy panties in a wad, I understand it's impossible to argue against common sense.

Again....it's not called homerism when you're just speaking the truth and the truth is (well atleast for anybody that knows two shits about the NFL) is Mario Williams is easily a top 5 DE.

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 06:34 PM

About Mario Williams being a top 5 DE in the NFL. Pretty obvious what he was wrong about.

really dumbass.....I'm still waiting on you to tell me how Mario is not a top 5 DE right now, I think I already owned your ass on that that's why you now resorted to making posts like this.

And for such a dominant specimen Mario Williams is, in Tmac&Luther's eyes? Why is he not considered a DPOY candidate?

umm maybe because his QBs lead the league in INTs and he's stuck on a losing team jackass.......even if Albert Haynesworth was on this team he wouldn't be a DPOY candidate, so it's completely stupid to blame Mario for being surrounded by losers.

I've never said dude was a bum, not good. He is a good DE. But I dont see how he is top 5.

Really owning your ass is getting easier and easier by the day.

He's a solid DE. So dont confuse bust with bum. You can be a bust and still be a quality NFL starter.

Oh BTW, you can call him a top 5 DE, because he actually is a top 5 DE in the NFL.

How is he that much better than Eagles DE Trent Cole? Who is on pace for another double digit sack year after being drafted on the 2nd day of the NFL draft vs Mario going #1 overall.

hmm, I guess by your logic QBs everywhere didn't live to up their draft position, because Tom Brady was a late round pick. Who gives a rats ass if a player jumps out of nowhere and becomes a absolute steal, hell more power to that player. Players who are drafted #1 are drafted to become sure fire hits and dominant players.....which Mario Williams is, unlike the other 2 players.

My initial argument is all 3 of the top picks have been busts. And by bust I mean havent lived up to the hype, expecations given to them when drafted. The arguments to why Mario was more worthy of being #1 in the entire draft? I dont see how he has lived up to those arguments. Primere pass rushing, impact defensive player? Super Mario? He's solid, but I dont recall him ever being considered the best DE in the game or close to it.

And your initial argument is wrong...Mario was drafted to be a elite DE in the NFL and he is a elite DE in the NFL...he's not a bust and certainly not a "bum" like your dumbass did call him and then had a memory lapse :oldlol: . Mario is the only player that HAS lived up to the hype. The fact that your trying to downplay him and then list players like Freeney over him show how ignorant you are about football.

GOBB

12-04-2008, 06:45 PM

And if he's not Top 5 which is arguable, he's on the cusp.

Right.

Sorry for the mistake then, but I know you've been a fan of Vince and supported him recently.

Yeah after his first year with Tennesee I started becoming supportive of him.

You're right, but hey, what else are Texans fans gonna have the chance to argue about?

:oldlol: Good point.

GOBB

12-04-2008, 06:50 PM

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 07:00 PM

Tmac&Luther you can save yourself the time typing out replies. The fact that someone doesnt agree with you = the person has zero knowledge to the game? Says all I need to know. I'll let SCY represent the Houston Texans and speak on them, get into debates, convos, arguments. Sensible fan where we both can agree to disagree without even typing it. Take notes.

And your response will be pumping your fist, waving pom poms and posting .gifs of "fail", "epic fail" the predictable and typical replies. All because I choose not to address nor read your recent posts. Makes you look even silly.

Recap:

He doesnt agree with me? haha You dont have a clue about football!
He isnt going to read my posts? I win I win! Champion

^^^your logic. About as weak as Reggie Bush between the tackles. Questioning my football knowledge is a no no.

Wrong buddy......I knew you didn't know crap about the NFL the second you typed a no tackling, only sacking Dwight Freeney who gets ran over repeatedly over Mario Williams. (and the deal was sealed when you tried to act like Mario having 11 of his teams 20 sacks was a bad thing.....the fix was in that you don't know what you're talking about) Unlike you Basketball is just my 2nd favorite sport and I really follow the NFL, this is why everytime we get into discussions about football I make you look like a idiot.

But regardless, forget all of that, pretend you have and clue, and just for shits and giggles lets throw out all of this (you don't know crap) talk...... How about you post a counter argument against my two posts that list Mario as a top 5 DE and stop with these copout B.S. responses. :confusedshrug: If you're so right (and I'm so ****ing dumb) about Mario being a "bum" (which you did call him) this should be easy for you, a piece of cake right?

P.S.

I got to hand it to you, I got a absolute kick out of you thinking that you're making me look silly :roll:

GOBB

12-04-2008, 07:08 PM

You're still replying? I casually browsed thru your shyt and saw this...

"Mario being a "bum" (which you did call him)"

Find me where I typed that.

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 07:21 PM

You're still replying? I casually browsed thru your shyt and saw this...

Find me where I typed that.

How about you "casually find a argument against my posts, instead of typing crap like this", but whatever if you want me to show you where you called Mario a bum here you go...

The top 3 picks are busts.

Which top three picks?

Mario leads all AFC DEs in Sacks and is tied for #2 in the entire NFL........he's going to the probowl this year.

Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams

He's not an impact DE. He's not a top 5 DE in the game. He's never been. He is supposed to be Super Mario. Yanno the bigger, stronger version of Julius Peppers. The guy who can play any position on the DL and dominate. You take Mario #1 to be a DPOY candidate, to be the reason your defense is ranked high.

He's a solid DE. So dont confuse bust with bum.

I mean unless you just meant to call him a Bust and not a bum, which would actually be even worse. Atleast a bum can play, a bust is a complete failure....either way you're wrong though so it doesn't matter.

Skywalker

12-04-2008, 07:26 PM

Top 5 DE's
Justin Tuck
Jared Allen
Aaron Kampman
Julius Peppers
Mario Williams

I would give him top 5. Didn't count Ware, those kind of guys. Really close with Freeney and KVB imo.

Right there:
Osi Umenyiora (when healthy is prob top 5)
Dwight Freeney
Trent Cole
Patrick Kerney
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Richard Seymour
Burgess, Mathis, etc......

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 07:32 PM

Top 5 DE's
Justin Tuck
Jared Allen
Aaron Kampman
Julius Peppers
Mario Williams

I would give him top 5.

thank you.....see I'm not a crazy homer, just speaking the truth.

I mean nobody would call you a homer if you said "Adrian Peterson is a top 5 RB".

Dasher

12-04-2008, 07:34 PM

thank you.....see I'm not a crazy homer, just speaking the truth.
Skywalker is Canadian. His opinions on football hold no weight.

Black Joker

12-04-2008, 07:34 PM

um... T-mac&luther, if you look at the things you quoted, u kinda proved yourself wrong on that point of Gobb calling Mario a bum.

he called him a Bust, as you point out in your first quote, Gobb says the top three picks are busts. meaning Mario = Bust in his mind...

then with your last quote he says don't confuse bust with bum. and considering he just said mario = bust... that means that he doesn't believe he is a bum, just a bust

Skywalker

12-04-2008, 07:34 PM

Umenyiora takes his spot if he's healthy though. Might have forgotten someone as well.

Skywalker is Canadian. His opinions on football hold no weight.

you're fantasy team is 1-12, so I guess yours don't either

TMac&Luther

12-04-2008, 07:36 PM

Black Joker

12-04-2008, 07:40 PM

Calling Mario a bust is even more stupid than calling him a bum so it doesn't really matter. Tough to call a player a bust when he's second in total sacks over the last two seasons.
well i guess. i don't know. a bum kinda means that one has no talent, or even reason to be in the league. bust can be interpreted to mean that you simply didn't live up to expectations, so perhaps Gobb just had really really really high expectations for him :confusedshrug:

Dasher

12-04-2008, 07:40 PM

Umenyiora takes his spot if he's healthy though. Might have forgotten someone as well.

you're fantasy team is 1-12, so I guess yours don't eitherYour point? That is what happens when you let your girl draft for you. It does not disqualify me from having a valid opinion on the NFL. You being from Canada does.

Skywalker

12-04-2008, 07:42 PM

maybe your trades do then lmaoo you moron

stfu, I could school you on some football

big baller

12-04-2008, 07:47 PM

is he a bust? or a busta....... :pimp:

Dasher

12-04-2008, 07:47 PM

maybe your trades do then lmaoo you moron

stfu, I could school you on some footballSchool me then. Your football knowledge could fit in a sippy cup.

List the advantages of the 3-3-5 defense.

What is bubble coverage?

What are the advantages of zone blocking schemes?

Who was the original great scrambling NFL QB?

Why is using fantasy football as a gauge of football knowledge a faulty one?

GOBB

12-04-2008, 07:48 PM

He's a solid DE. So dont confuse bust with bum.

How does anyone with a functioning brain READ this and do exactly what the statement said NOT to do? hahaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa OMG.

I cant even explain what that statement means any more clear than it is presented. It says right there, dont (which is do not sorry i left out the ' ) confuse (to mistake) bust with bum. Pretty simple. I know kids who could decipher that statement and understand its meaning.

And I said Mario, Vince, Reggie are all busts based on what you implied back to my initial post when you bumped this thread and begain spouting off. If anything can be certain is all 3 arent busts. I'd like to think a bust would be considered someone who wasnt productive given the talent/skills he had coming out of college. For example Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf. Those are busts.

Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams are not. What Reggie Bush is? A disppointment given what most expected him to do/be. A better version of Brian Westbrook. When he really isnt any more than what some who didnt believe the hype had suggested. Eric Metcalf. Which isnt bad. You MISSED the point I was trying to make when I said "Well then all 3 are busts".

I do not feel any of the 3 are busts. Reggie Bush has done just enough to be exempt from the bust label. I think I explained that in my later posts which shows me never saying he is a bust, moreso hasnt lived up to the hype. However still is a quality starter, productive and opposing defenses consider him a threat. You can argue otherwise but no team gameplans for the Saints and doesnt consider what Bush is capable of doin. And especially punting to him since I believe he leads the league in punt return avg at 29 or so.

Mario Williams cant be a bust given the fact in his 3yrs he avgs 10 sacks per season. He's been the bright spot on that DL. Vince Young 2 seasons statistically arent what many liked in terms of a "QB", but a playmaker? He's done some good things. And the argument is he could do a lil better passing wise if he had better recieving threats. However he too has flaws/weaknesses in his game as a QB.

If you want to rank Mario ahead of Reggie and Vince? Do so. But none of them are among the elite. And like I said if anyone has a chance to be? Potential to be the best at thier respective position? Its Mario.

Reading and comprehension. Maybe you need to improve yours. Xmas is coming, put those skill books down on the wish list. But yeah you owned me right? Right?

There is absolutely NOTHING you can counter on with this post. Unless you read and comprehend something out of the oridinary then ARGUE on it while taking these imaginary victories. And by the looks of it (claiming I said Mario was a bum based on the above statement in quotes)? I wouldnt be surprised.

Pretty much shut down 2 arguments. The only argument we are left with is Mario being an elite DE, top 5 DE. But tell me this. How is Mario Williams significantly better than Trent Cole?

Come on kid. Get your stuff together.

Skywalker

12-04-2008, 07:49 PM

It is not a faulty one, which is why you're football retarded....

Dasher

12-04-2008, 07:55 PM

It is not a faulty one, which is why you're football retarded....
You skipped over all my other questions because you could not answer them. Fantasy football is not a good rubric because there is more luck involved in it than skill. When your college ball clueless Grams wins the family NCAA tournament pool she does not all of a sudden become a BBall genius. She merely got lucky.

What is the Dallas chart? Who introduced it? And what is it's significance?

If I spotted you the C and the T, could you spell cat? Which two players is that question an allusion to?

GOBB

12-04-2008, 07:57 PM

well i guess. i don't know. a bum kinda means that one has no talent, or even reason to be in the league. bust can be interpreted to mean that you simply didn't live up to expectations, so perhaps Gobb just had really really really high expectations for him :confusedshrug:

I dont think he is a bust. I was trying to prove a point by my remarks saying all 3 were busts. By reading his earlier posts he claims Bush is a bust based on not living up to the enormous hype he had. Its true he hasnt lived up to the hype but given the fact he has been very productive for the Saints? He is not a bust. He avg damn near 70 catches per season. He has scored 23 Tds in his 3 years. 12 rushing, 7 recieving, 4 returns. With 4 games left he could score atleast 1 more TD thus giving him an avg of 8 TDs per year.

Not to get off on a rant about what Bush has done so far (a lil more he has achieved/accomplished). I'm just trying to show he isnt a bust. Its very possible to not live up to the hype while also not being considered a bust. Something Tmac&Luther fails to grasp. I was just trying to expose how silly his logic was to say because Bush didnt live up to hype/expectations he = bust. Next time I'll just hold Tmac&Luthers bike as I help him ride thru the park.

As of now? I'm afraid to let go considering I said Mario was a bum. :oldlol:

Dont think he's ready.

Skywalker

12-04-2008, 08:01 PM

Dasher sounds like he's speaking CHINESE. Dallas chart?WTF? C and T? Spot the ball huh?

TMac&Luther

12-05-2008, 02:14 AM

I dont think he is a bust. I was trying to prove a point by my remarks saying all 3 were busts. By reading his earlier posts he claims Bush is a bust based on not living up to the enormous hype he had. Its true he hasnt lived up to the hype but given the fact he has been very productive for the Saints? He is not a bust. He avg damn near 70 catches per season. He has scored 23 Tds in his 3 years. 12 rushing, 7 recieving, 4 returns. With 4 games left he could score atleast 1 more TD thus giving him an avg of 8 TDs per year.

Not to get off on a rant about what Bush has done so far (a lil more he has achieved/accomplished). I'm just trying to show he isnt a bust. Its very possible to not live up to the hype while also not being considered a bust. Something Tmac&Luther fails to grasp. I was just trying to expose how silly his logic was to say because Bush didnt live up to hype/expectations he = bust. Next time I'll just hold Tmac&Luthers bike as I help him ride thru the park.

As of now? I'm afraid to let go considering I said Mario was a bum. :oldlol:

Dont think he's ready.

As a first round pick (I'm not even going to hold him up to #2 ovrl) Reggie Bush is a bust......sorry, but that's the truth. He is a glorified 3rd down back who gets force fed touches on a team that's trying to justify his draft position and salary. The guy was supposed to be a explosive player that could take it to the house on any handoff and his career long run is only 29 damn yards.........that spells bust. Reggie Bush as a RB is a bust, maybe he can thrive as a WR who knows. He certainly shows a hell of a lot more promise there than running the ball.

HisJoeness

12-05-2008, 02:27 AM

If I spotted you the C and the T, could you spell cat? Which two players is that question an allusion to?

Who are Thomas Henderson and Terry Bradshaw, Alex?

HisJoeness

12-05-2008, 02:39 AM

List the advantages of the 3-3-5 defense.

It's flexibility, can send anywhere from 3 to 8 guys to pressure the QB or help in coverage when the offense sends 4 or 5 guys on routes. Hard to see where the pressure and/or zones are going to be.

GOBB

12-05-2008, 08:30 PM

As a first round pick (I'm not even going to hold him up to #2 ovrl) Reggie Bush is a bust......sorry, but that's the truth. He is a glorified 3rd down back who gets force fed touches on a team that's trying to justify his draft position and salary. The guy was supposed to be a explosive player that could take it to the house on any handoff and his career long run is only 29 damn yards.........that spells bust. Reggie Bush as a RB is a bust, maybe he can thrive as a WR who knows. He certainly shows a hell of a lot more promise there than running the ball.

A disappointment not a bust. Learn the difference.

How can you be a bust when Reggie Bush leads all RBs in catches since he entered the league 3yrs ago?

How can you be a bust when Reggie Bush leads the league in punt return avg at 17.9, while also leading all punt returners with 3 TDs?

You have a troubling grasping a simple concept. Now thats the truth. The stuff you typed? Sounds like someone who didnt meet the expectations placed on him. Reggie Bush came out of college not an every down RB but many thought he could turn into one. Jokes on us (me). Many thought he would be able to run between the tackles and so far he struggles. Jokes on us (me). Many thought he would be a playmaker. And well he still makes plays in various ways not just rushing the football. He was never gonna be just a runner. Tiki Barber started off slow just like Reggie Bush. Who knows what Bush ends up doing for his career. Could make you look even more silly than you have thus far calling him a bust.

Also force fed to justfiy salary/draft position? Thats hilarious. Where you pull that from, your rear end? :no:

TMac&Luther

12-06-2008, 02:18 PM

A disappointment not a bust. Learn the difference.

How can you be a bust when Reggie Bush leads all RBs in catches since he entered the league 3yrs ago?

How can you be a bust when Reggie Bush leads the league in punt return avg at 17.9, while also leading all punt returners with 3 TDs?

You have a troubling grasping a simple concept. Now thats the truth. The stuff you typed? Sounds like someone who didnt meet the expectations placed on him. Reggie Bush came out of college not an every down RB but many thought he could turn into one. Jokes on us (me). Many thought he would be able to run between the tackles and so far he struggles. Jokes on us (me). Many thought he would be a playmaker. And well he still makes plays in various ways not just rushing the football. He was never gonna be just a runner. Tiki Barber started off slow just like Reggie Bush. Who knows what Bush ends up doing for his career. Could make you look even more silly than you have thus far calling him a bust.

Also force fed to justfiy salary/draft position? Thats hilarious. Where you pull that from, your rear end? :no:

He leads them in catches, because he's not a very good NFL caliber RB. :rolleyes: Seriously the stuff you type is a joke. The Saints are paying him like 54 million dollars, they're forced to work his ass into the offense and if that means they just have to use him as a slot receiver than that's what they have to do. I mean it's not like he's LT where he's a great runner and is given alot of chances to catch the ball, because he's just this great playmaker that you MUST FIND WAYS TO GET THE BALL TO.

I also LMAO when you said "He was never going to be a runner" are you freaking serious....you pretty much just called him a bust right there, because coming out of college that was what everybody was talking about. How Reggie Bush was going to be this dynamic runner, a "once in a lifetime RB", that "we haven't seen since Marcus Allen and Gale Sayers". So it's a joke for you to say "he was never going to be a runner", if that is true he shouldn't of even been drafted on the first damn day of the draft.......which makes him a "BUST".

If "he's not a runner", then he shouldn't even be playing the position and should just make the transistion to a slot receiver/kickoff returner and then he can work on perfecting a craft that he actually is decent at.....but make no mistake about it. Reggie Bush "the RB" (which he WAS drafted to be) is a NFL bust. Shit do you even have a idea of how many NFL backs that have already come into this league and been WAY more effective running the ball since Bush was drafted?......oh yeah, I forgot he catches passes in a pass happy offense. :rolleyes: give me a break.

GOBB

12-06-2008, 03:49 PM

He leads them in catches, because he's not a very good NFL caliber RB. :rolleyes:

Not sure if you've been watching much football outside of the Texans. But RBs are now required to catch out the backfield. The game has changed, it has evolved. If you're a RB who struggles to catch out the backfield? There is a good chance you will see less touches because your backup is a guy who can. And if you arent that great catching and wanna hold onto your job? Yanno not be apart of a 1-2 RB punch. Then you better be a beast running the pigskin.

That said check out the top 10 RBs in your mind and find me how many cant, struggle at catching out the backfield. They wont be the majority. One of the things that makes guys like Marshall Faulk and RBs who followed his footsteps is the ability to not only catch but make plays catching the pigskin. The ability to cause mismatch problems where an offensive coordinator can use to exploit a defense. The ability to roll the RB out the backfield or line him up as a WR in various spots.

You undersestimate and undervalue the importance catching passes is when it comes to RBs in todays game. A brief example? Chris Johnson is a very good reciever out the backfield. Lendale White? Not so much. Titans loved Chris Johnson talents and his ability when in open space to make plays. Lendale was pretty much 1 dimensional where he ran between the tackles but outside of that? Limited. Chirs Johnson? Not so much. So now you have a dual threat where Chris is even getting more touches than Lendale. Gurantee if Chris Johnson wasnt damn good catching out the backfield leaving college Titans dont take him that high.

Reggie Bush was never drafted to be strictly a rusher. Nor was he drafted where his rushing ability would be what makes him "great". His combination of catching out the backfield, rushing was supposed to be the reason. Thats why he was COMPARED to Brian Westbrook and not Ladanian Tomlinson. Westbrook wasnt this intimidating, dominating rusher. But he was a guy who could rush well but also be as effective catching out the backfield. Tomlinson could beast and get 26 carries for 160yds. Westbrook could get 16 carries for 101yds with 5-6 catches for 50-60yds.

Reggie Bush was never supposed nor expected to be the rusher Adrian Peterson is. Thats a fact. Even in college this comparison of the two was made as far as Bush ability to catch out the backfield. Again his recieving ability was never shortchanged. It was a huge part of what was expected.

Reggie Bush career could end up being similar to Tiki Barber (another RB who was a threat catching out the backfield.). The difference is Tiki didnt have Bush hype coming out of college. Took Tiki 5 full seasons before he emerged and proved to fans he could be a featured RB and successful rushing the ball instead of being a punt returner/reciever.

In conclusion you trying to downplay Bush leading all RBs in catches since he entered the league is comical. You're struggling bigtime to prove Reggie Bush is a bust.

Seriously the stuff you type is a joke. The Saints are paying him like 54 million dollars, they're forced to work his ass into the offense and if that means they just have to use him as a slot receiver than that's what they have to do.

You're so offbase its not even funny. :oldlol:

Reggie Bush is a very good catcher out the backfield. You simply cant isolate his recieving ability because you keep focusing on rushing. Reggie was NEVER drafted to be just a rusher. Its a fact you seem to struggle with.

I mean it's not like he's LT where he's a great runner and is given alot of chances to catch the ball, because he's just this great playmaker that you MUST FIND WAYS TO GET THE BALL TO.

Tomlinson was not just a rusher. He is a versatile RB who can run and catch. Any offensive coordinator designing plays for a player, an offense? Will look to take advantage of a players strengths and/or MAXIMIZE thier abilities. Giving Tomlinson carries PLUS passes MAXIMIZES his ability.

Giving Bush passes to catch MAXIMIZES his abilities. Saints know he struggles rushing the ball.Which is one of the many reasons Duece McCallister is around. He was around when Saints drafted Bush because they wanted to use Bush like they have been, Only they expected him to be a much better rusher than he has shown. Mccalister is supposed to be the Lendale White to Reggie Bush.

Not sure where you have been the last 3-4yrs.

I also LMAO when you said "He was never going to be a runner" are you freaking serious....you pretty much just called him a bust right there, because coming out of college that was what everybody was talking about.

Where did I type that?

You have trouble reading which is probably why you dont get any of my posts. Read slowly, carefully. Pretty sad you cant read and digest whats typed. Instead you read something totally inaccurate and argue on it. I cant hold your hand crossing the street all the time. You're a big boy now. Look both ways before crossing.

The rest of your post is arguing something I never said. :no:

oh yeah, I forgot he catches passes in a pass happy offense. :rolleyes: give me a break.

This is like saying Drew Brees cant strongly be considered for MVP because his numbers are inflated, misleading due to the fact he is in a pass happy offense. :roll:

Are you going to prove Reggie Bush is a BUST or prove you just dont like him? I think you proved the latter very well.

Bigg

12-06-2008, 10:20 PM

reggie bush = the epitome of bust.

In his first three years, this mofo has 1440 yards and 12 TDs, AD was 100 yards and 3 TDs (basically one good game) of matching those totals last year. He has had a 3.6, 3.3, and 3.7 ypc in every year. I mean if you can't run as a RUNNINGBACK , then you are a muthafu-cking bust, plain and simple man.
In the passing game, he's an average pass catcher if you're going to look at it without position labels (since Bushphiles wanna act like he's better than even Jerry Rice), he's had 7 TDs on 209 catches, which is a fu-cking TD every 70 catches. That's absolutely mediocre for pass catcher. So the one thing he's supposed to be a game breaker at, he can't even do that well. He has a 10 yard per return average, which is good, but he still is not in the gamebreaker category.

To sum it up, He's a terrible runner, an average pass catcher, and a solid returner. This is coming from someone who was supposed to Be Gale Sayers in the backfield, Marshall faulk catching passes in the flat, and DAnte Hall returning kicks. He's definitely a bust.

RoseCity07

12-06-2008, 10:43 PM

I wish I knew football like I know basketball. I have no idea what stats are impressive for a football player.

Bigg

12-06-2008, 10:44 PM

I wish I knew football like I know basketball. I have no idea what stats are impressive for a football player.

let me give you a hint , not Reggie Bush's

GOBB

12-06-2008, 10:45 PM

lol Bigg you joined this month and your first post (before u posted 4 other times elsewhere here) was directed at this thread? Interesting.

Bigg

12-06-2008, 10:47 PM

lol Bigg you joined this month and your first post (before u posted 4 other times elsewhere here) was directed at this thread? Interesting.
look here bushophile, let's focus on the thread

TMac&Luther

12-07-2008, 02:27 AM

lol Bigg you joined this month and your first post (before u posted 4 other times elsewhere here) was directed at this thread? Interesting.

If you're trying to imply he's me......stop, because he's not. I wouldn't do that kinda thing and as you can see through this 21 page thread I have no problem arguing with you through this ID. I'm just burned out on the subject right now, I'll pick it up tomorrow.

Pistol Pete

12-07-2008, 03:11 AM

TMac&Luther

12-07-2008, 01:28 PM

Reggie Bush is not a bust, the guy was leading the NFL in touchdowns before he went down to injury and was on an MVP like pace. He had 8 touchdowns in 7 games, seems pretty acceptable to me.

More so, Sean Payton doesn't run the ball, no running back can get into a rhythm only getting 5-7 carries per game, it just doesn't happen. He's been given 20 carries in a game twice in his career, while he struggled once against a strong Carolina defense (21 carries for 67 yards), he crushed the Giants in his rookie season:

20 carries, 126 yards and 1 touchdown

Ha ha ha......the guy was not on a MVP pace, he wasn't even the MVP on his own team during that time....Brees was. He put a couple of good games together (especially on STs) and nothing more. Plus Bush simply cannot stay healthy so none of this really matters. He's a injury waiting to happen.

As far as his 100 yard rushing game against NY, tell me.....how many 100 yard rushing games has Bush had in his entire career? I'll tell you....one ****ing game where he went over 100 yards which was his rookie season two damn years ago....what a joke. :oldlol: Are you really going to pimp the one game where Bush did anything rushing, two years ago when the Giants weren't that good?

Ron Dayne (you know another back who was considered a BUST) put up 153 yards rushing and 2 TDs against the Colts during the year they won the SB. Shit happens.

GOBB

12-07-2008, 02:19 PM

Reggie Bush scored a TD just now. Rolled out, ran a slant. TD.

But he was force fed it because of how much money he makes and where he was drafted. Gotta justify it somehow right? A bust still scoring TDs? Who knew!

:oldlol:

Pistol Pete

12-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Ha ha ha......the guy was not on a MVP pace, he wasn't even the MVP on his own team during that time....Brees was. He put a couple of good games together (especially on STs) and nothing more. Plus Bush simply cannot stay healthy so none of this really matters. He's a injury waiting to happen.

As far as his 100 yard rushing game against NY, tell me.....how many 100 yard rushing games has Bush had in his entire career? I'll tell you....one ****ing game where he went over 100 yards which was his rookie season two damn years ago....what a joke. :oldlol: Are you really going to pimp the one game where Bush did anything rushing, two years ago when the Giants weren't that good?

Ron Dayne (you know another back who was considered a BUST) put up 153 yards rushing and 2 TDs against the Colts during the year they won the SB. Shit happens.

Who consistantly goes over 100 yards when they average 6-7 carries a game? I merely showed that he's capable if given the carries, notice I also showed the game where he was less then stellar against the Panthers.

The Saints are a horrible run blocking team, none of our running backs have anything to run to. We're purely a pass blocking team because that's what we do, pass.

If you want to say he is a bust, you're just not correct. If you want to look at 100 yard games, you should probably include recieving yards as well, you know, since the guy had more receptions (200) in his first 34 games then any other reciever in NFL history. Quite the bust indeed...

Today, he just had a nice hole to run through, and surprise, 43 yard run, followed by a 5 yard touchdown catch, his 9th TD in 9 games, I never knew busts continually kept pace with 15+ touchdown seasons.

TMac&Luther

12-07-2008, 05:43 PM

Who consistantly goes over 100 yards when they average 6-7 carries a game? I merely showed that he's capable if given the carries, notice I also showed the game where he was less then stellar against the Panthers.

The Saints are a horrible run blocking team, none of our running backs have anything to run to. We're purely a pass blocking team because that's what we do, pass.

If you want to say he is a bust, you're just not correct. If you want to look at 100 yard games, you should probably include recieving yards as well, you know, since the guy had more receptions (200) in his first 34 games then any other reciever in NFL history. Quite the bust indeed...

Today, he just had a nice hole to run through, and surprise, 43 yard run, followed by a 5 yard touchdown catch, his 9th TD in 9 games, I never knew busts continually kept pace with 15+ touchdown seasons.

So hold on....the guy gets 65 1st half rushing yards off one big play and finishes with only 80 yards rushing and you had to pipe up about it. give me a break. :roll:

Hey guy, good thing y'all signed Drew Brees.....could you amagine Reggie Bush with Aaron Brooks, he'd be a complete failure insted of just a bust. Look at what Steve Slaton (a third round pick) has been able to do in his rookie season whith his starting QB knocked out.

SCY

12-07-2008, 06:03 PM

Pierre Thomas is rushing with the same O-line and has been very successful. Just another lame excuse.

Pistol Pete

12-07-2008, 08:26 PM

So hold on....the guy gets 65 1st half rushing yards off one big play and finishes with only 80 yards rushing and you had to pipe up about it. give me a break. :roll:

Hey guy, good thing y'all signed Drew Brees.....could you amagine Reggie Bush with Aaron Brooks, he'd be a complete failure insted of just a bust. Look at what Steve Slaton (a third round pick) has been able to do in his rookie season whith his starting QB knocked out.

He had 106 yards on 13 touches with a touchdown, you really feel the need to downplay that performance?

Steve Slaton has a much better offensive line then Reggie Bush, if you gave New Orleans Alex Gibbs and his zone block scheme, Reggie would be even more effective then he already is.

I don't see what you don't understand, he's one of the best playmakers in the entire NFL, he's not conventional, but it doesn't matter, because he is good at what he does.

Pistol Pete

12-07-2008, 08:28 PM

Pierre Thomas is rushing with the same O-line and has been very successful. Just another lame excuse.

Pierre Thomas is a better runner then Reggie Bush, still doesn't change the fact that the offensive line is very weak when it comes to run blocking.

Bigg

12-07-2008, 08:54 PM

Pierre Thomas is a better runner then Reggie Bush, still doesn't change the fact that the offensive line is very weak when it comes to run blocking.

so you've admitted that Reggie Bush is a worse runner than a 3rd down back who was undrafted in 07. If that's not the signature of an MVP then I don't know what is :roll:

TMac&Luther

12-07-2008, 09:04 PM

He had 106 yards on 13 touches with a touchdown, you really feel the need to downplay that performance?

Steve Slaton has a much better offensive line then Reggie Bush, if you gave New Orleans Alex Gibbs and his zone block scheme, Reggie would be even more effective then he already is.

I don't see what you don't understand, he's one of the best playmakers in the entire NFL, he's not conventional, but it doesn't matter, because he is good at what he does.

Wow, do you expect me to buy this load of bullshit? Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Houston has a project rookie LT, no center (dude gets ran over and thrown into the backfield) and a crappy RG......Slaton has to make people miss. Make no mistake about it...Reggie Bust can't hold Steve Slaton's jock, if he tried he would sprain his knee and be out for the season.

Pistol Pete

12-08-2008, 01:03 AM

so you've admitted that Reggie Bush is a worse runner than a 3rd down back who was undrafted in 07. If that's not the signature of an MVP then I don't know what is :roll:

Pierre Thomas is a better runner, and even undrafted, he's still a quality NFL runner.

Reggie Bush dominates facets of the game, mainly, he's the best recieving back in the NFL and capable of taking it to the house every play.

Pistol Pete

12-08-2008, 01:05 AM

Wow, do you expect me to buy this load of bullshit? Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Houston has a project rookie LT, no center (dude gets ran over and thrown into the backfield) and a crappy RG......Slaton has to make people miss. Make no mistake about it...Reggie Bust can't hold Steve Slaton's jock, if he tried he would sprain his knee and be out for the season.

The scheme, I'm not sure what is so hard to understand, the scheme the Texans run, coordinator Alex Gibbs, it's perfect for backs like Slaton and Bush. If you put Reggie in Houston, he would destroy playing in that scheme.

Steve Slaton isn't half the player Reggie Bush is.

TMac&Luther

12-08-2008, 01:28 AM

The scheme, I'm not sure what is so hard to understand, the scheme the Texans run, coordinator Alex Gibbs, it's perfect for backs like Slaton and Bush. If you put Reggie in Houston, he would destroy playing in that scheme.

Steve Slaton isn't half the player Reggie Bush is.

This is the first season Houston has ran the scheme and they haven't even got it down yet so stop with the bullshit.......stop reading the crap that people are typing over at "Saints report" too. :roll: I saw that thread and read all of the excuses why Steve Slaton.....funny that's all Saints fans do is make excuses for Bush not being able to run the damn ball when a no name hack out performes him on his own damn team.

Like I said earlier....Houston isn't even cutting anybody, they have to have one of the shittiest centers in the entire league, and thier RG blows balls, so don't try to excuse away what Slaton has done just because he makes your hero look like the hack that he is. I mean really....

"If you put Reggie in Houston, he would destroy playing in that scheme."

Umm, no he wouldn't because he dances more than Warren did on that ABC show.......and

"Steve Slaton isn't half the player Reggie Bush is."

:hammerhead: :roll: what ****ing pipe are you smoking pal....Slaton has done in two weeks what Bush hasn't been able to do in three years and that's to have back 2 back 100 yard rushing days. (as well as actually put up 1,000 yards rushing in a season) Also while we're on that subject don't give me the crap "Reggie doesn't have 100 yard rushing days, because Payton doesn't run him enough" like they do at the Saints report.....the reason why your coach doesn't run his ass and give him 20+ carries is because he knows his ass won't be productive and can't handle 20+ carries repeatedly in a season.

You want the definition of Irony...here it is...

Reggie Bush was drafted in the 1st round (#2 ovrl) to be a franchise every down back.......he's turned into a glorified third down back

Steve Slaton was drafted in the 3rd round (89th ovrl) to be a 3rd down back.......he's turned into a franchise every down back.