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Xabit
06-17-2011, 05:39 PM
Post bad NBA first names

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 05:40 PM
LeBron comes to miind, makes no sense and sounds like he's from the hood.
No, it sounds like he's from France ... which makes even less sense.

But that's a ghetto thing, bro ... black women in the inner city are always coming up with some whacky attempt at a unique name to make their baby stand out.

:oldlol:

DRose1899
06-17-2011, 05:41 PM
Tbh Kobe is even worse.

Sheed
06-17-2011, 05:41 PM
Dwyane, because no one spells it like that but him

kaiiu
06-17-2011, 05:41 PM
Lebron. Whoever has that name most likely has a ugly ass face

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 05:41 PM
Tbh Kobe is even worse.
Named after a piece of beef.

:facepalm

haha

CelticBaller
06-17-2011, 05:43 PM
Kobe
LeBron

ChandlerParsons
06-17-2011, 05:43 PM
LeBron comes to miind, makes no sense and sounds like he's from the hood.
Kobe named from a piece of beef.
Lulz.

And what about Mehmet. Lulz

taucesays
06-17-2011, 05:44 PM
Rajon

AirTupac
06-17-2011, 05:46 PM
Lebron. Whoever has that name most likely has a ugly ass face

lmfao kaiiu speaks nothing but the truth. :oldlol:

Rysio
06-17-2011, 05:47 PM
lol at hating kobe and lebrick

best names in the nba

Sakkreth
06-17-2011, 05:50 PM
No, it sounds like he's from France ... which makes even less sense.

But that's a ghetto thing, bro ... black women in the inner city are always coming up with some whacky attempt at a unique name to make their baby stand out.

:oldlol:

When u think about it... maybe it actually works ? I mean they do stand out.

LeBron
Kobe
Dwyane

AirTupac
06-17-2011, 05:51 PM
When u think about it... maybe it actually works ? I mean they do stand out.

LeBron
Kobe
Dwyane

Kobe?

QuebecBaller
06-17-2011, 05:52 PM
Oleksiy

Antawn

His name was accidentally printed as "Antawn" instead of "Antwan" on his birth certificate. However, his family decided to keep the misspelling as they felt it would be more distinctive.[11] His first name is still pronounced as though it were spelled "Antwan" or "Antoine"

ihatetimthomas
06-17-2011, 05:57 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 05:58 PM
When u think about it... maybe it actually works ? I mean they do stand out.
It works, doesn't make it any less foolish.

LeQueesha, Shaunte, Domonique ... jesus christ we could go on all day with stupid ghetto names.

Those guys stand out because of their game, though FYI

tomtucker
06-17-2011, 06:01 PM
Best NBA first name : Carmelo........sounds like a nice guy

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 06:02 PM
Best NBA first name : Carmelo........sounds like a nice guy
Until you see his stop snitchin' videos.

:facepalm

And the punches before running away ...

1Time4YourMind
06-17-2011, 06:06 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang
thank you, some actual good answers instead of typical "lebron LOL" "kobe LOL" troll bullsh1t.

Smoke117
06-17-2011, 06:08 PM
It works, doesn't make it any less foolish.

LeQueesha, Shaunte, Domonique ... jesus christ we could go on all day with stupid ghetto names.

Those guys stand out because of their game, though FYI

1. You didn't even spell it right it's Dominique
2. I don't understand how a name of french origin is a "stupid ghetto name", but whatever you say.

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 06:11 PM
1. You didn't even spell it right it's Dominique
Excuse me ... normally Dwayne is spelled as such ... not "Dwyane", so I'm sure somewhere there is a mother who spells it Domonique.


2. I don't understand how a name of french origin is a "stupid ghetto name", but whatever you say.
Because they aren't from France, or of French descent now are they?

They were born and raised in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.

:oldlol:

wigwan
06-17-2011, 06:12 PM
It's not in the NBA, but a guy in the Jordan Brand Classic was named Sir'Dominic Pointer.. :wtf:

kaiiu
06-17-2011, 06:15 PM
Carmelo- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG/220px-Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG
Monta-Sounds sexy-is sexy
http://www.speculativesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Monta+Ellis.jpg
Rudy- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://www.josephcartman.com/studio/wp-content/2008/03/02/rudy_gay.jpg

Smoke117
06-17-2011, 06:16 PM
Excuse me ... normally Dwayne is spelled as such ... not "Dwyane", so I'm sure somewhere there is a mother who spells it Domonique.


Because they aren't from France, or of French descent now are they?

They were born and raised in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.

:oldlol:

This is about NBA names and not one Dominique who played in the league spelled it the way you just did. Secondly, just because they aren't of french descent doesn't mean they can't have liked the name. Calling Dominique ghetto is just ignorant and frankly idiotic.

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 06:17 PM
This is about NBA names and not one Dominique who played in the league spelled it the way you just did.
You assumed I was mentioning Wilkins. I was talking about stupid attempts at ultra unique names.


Secondly, just because they aren't of french descent doesn't mean they can't have liked the name
Ghetto, aka stupid.

QuebecBaller
06-17-2011, 06:23 PM
What's the problem with Dominique?

It's a really common name for a girl or a guy in Quebec and France

Crown&Coke
06-17-2011, 06:28 PM
Oleksiy

Antawn

oh snap, I've been calling him An-tawn and :lol at everyone who was saying it right the whole time :facepalm

tomtucker
06-17-2011, 06:32 PM
Carmelo- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG/220px-Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG
Monta-Sounds sexy-is sexy
http://www.speculativesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Monta+Ellis.jpg
Rudy- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://www.josephcartman.com/studio/wp-content/2008/03/02/rudy_gay.jpg
I donno.....I think Rudy sounds kinda ....hmm...

Hondo
06-17-2011, 06:34 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang

We have a winner. All Sebastians I know are basically women.

Uwe Blab still has the worst name overall.

ROCSteady
06-17-2011, 06:40 PM
Beno.....like the stuff that helps relieve excess gas

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 06:41 PM
http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Pervis-Ellison-1990-Hoops.jpg
Apparently, he was never nervous.

Teanett
06-17-2011, 06:49 PM
lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"?

lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?

antawn- french name spelled english, a double ghetto.

jahidi- sounds like the twin brother of "jihad"

baron- wtf? is his wife "baroness davis"?

shawn is bad, deshawn is worse but TAYSHAUN...:facepalm

kenyon- his folks can't spell, it's "kenyan" or "canyon"

Killbot
06-17-2011, 06:49 PM
Pooh
World
Dick

srekaL
06-17-2011, 06:49 PM
Smush Parker
Kwame Brown
Rafer Alston
Kris with a K girly humphries
Dwyane misspelled Wade

Best names -
Manu
Dirk
Kobe
Lebron
Shaq
Baron
Pau
Dwight

Teanett
06-17-2011, 06:53 PM
Uwe Blab still has the worst name overall.

uwe, detlef und dirk...
ze only germans in the nba were torched with horrible names.

BlueCrayon
06-17-2011, 06:57 PM
How about Courtney Lee? :confusedshrug:

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 07:06 PM
1. lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"?

2. lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?

3. antawn- french name spelled english, a double ghetto.

4. jahidi- sounds like the twin brother of "jihad"

5. shawn is bad, deshawn is worse but TAYSHAUN...:facepalm

6. kenyon- his folks can't spell, it's "kenyan" or "canyon"1. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JOD2alPne-M/TWbu_cGC76I/AAAAAAAAACQ/ZyrM_VeIbao/s400/brawny-old.jpg

2. Lamar is a legit english name, meaning "of the sea", it was popular in the 18th and 19th centuries in Britain. There's been numerous white southern republican congressman named Lamar. But I think moms' was on that late 70's fake muslim baby name ting just like the rest of black late-70's Queens, NY.

3. I got nothing, it's just a horrid mispelling.

4. Combo #2 (legit Saudi name) and the final sentence of #3.

5. Tayshaun is one of the g@yest names ever.

6. You got it.


Cool points for anyone who can name son:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/135/420/RackMultipart.30174.0_display_image.jpg?1262831395

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 07:09 PM
lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"?

lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?

antawn- french name spelled english, a double ghetto.

jahidi- sounds like the twin brother of "jihad"

baron- wtf? is his wife "baroness davis"?

shawn is bad, deshawn is worse but TAYSHAUN...:facepalm

kenyon- his folks can't spell, it's "kenyan" or "canyon"
Emphasis for the ETHER

:oldlol:

millwad
06-17-2011, 07:10 PM
Demarcus - Too ghetto
LaMarcus - Too ghetto
LeBron - Too ghetto
Jrue - Wow...
Lindsey (Hunter) - Girly
Tracy - Girly
Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo - Too long
Hasheem - Hashish wannabe
Rafer - What the hell is a RAFER..

Last but not least............. Vakeaton ("Von" Wafer).

Teanett
06-17-2011, 07:18 PM
1. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JOD2alPne-M/TWbu_cGC76I/AAAAAAAAACQ/ZyrM_VeIbao/s400/brawny-old.jpg[/img

2. Lamar is a legit english name, meaning "of the sea", it was popular in the 18th and 19th centuries in Britain. There's been numerous white southern republican congressman named Lamar. But I think moms' was on that late 70's fake muslim baby name ting just like the rest of black late-70's Queens, NY.

3. I got nothing, it's just a horrid mispelling.

4. Combo #2 (legit Saudi name) and the final sentence of #3.

5. Tayshaun is one of the g@yest names ever.

6. You got it.


Cool points for anyone who can name son:

[img]http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/135/420/RackMultipart.30174.0_display_image.jpg?1262831395

i got another one for you:
TRAJAN- as if mom got fukking drunk, then had the idea that "tarzan" was a good name but was already too wasted to spell it right.

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 07:20 PM
TRAJAN- as if mom got fukking drunk, then had the idea that "tarzan" was a good name but was already too wasted to spell it right.
This dude is KILLING me ... :roll: wow

But don't bother talking to this guy, my dude ...

He straight up said he could beat up a gorilla

: |

Wordup
06-17-2011, 07:21 PM
lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"?

lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?

antawn- french name spelled english, a double ghetto.

jahidi- sounds like the twin brother of "jihad"

baron- wtf? is his wife "baroness davis"?

shawn is bad, deshawn is worse but TAYSHAUN...:facepalm

kenyon- his folks can't spell, it's "kenyan" or "canyon"

:wtf: Are you an idiot?

Teanett
06-17-2011, 07:25 PM
:wtf: Are you an idiot?

hello mrs odom!

Wordup
06-17-2011, 07:27 PM
hello mrs odom!
:wtf: :facepalm

N0Skillz
06-17-2011, 07:28 PM
Kobe Dwyane and Lebron all roll off the tounge really well. I would say they are the best names in the NBA.

Carmelo i don't like as much. Rajon also sucks.

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 07:31 PM
i got another one for you:
TRAJAN- as if mom got fukking drunk, then had the idea that "tarzan" was a good name but was already too wasted to spell it right.I assumed it was an altered Trojan (condom and/or Greek Horse manuever), mixed with Tre/Tray.

Patrick Chewing
06-17-2011, 07:35 PM
JRUE



Seriously, how do you pronounce that?

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 07:36 PM
Stephon ... thats a few letters away from Stephanie

Jesus Allen
06-17-2011, 07:37 PM
It's painfully obvious why the topic is solely first names. :lol Rudy Gay

Teanett
06-17-2011, 07:43 PM
I assumed it was an altered Trojan (condom and/or Greek Horse manuever), mixed with Tre/Tray.

i think he was a roman or greek emperor, but nobody knows him. he was not very significant. should've called him hercules or herodes.

ihatetimthomas
06-17-2011, 07:44 PM
Taj
Theophilus (Theo Ratliff)

Teanett
06-17-2011, 07:46 PM
Taj
Theophilus (Theo Ratliff)

those are ok.
we know the taj mahal and theophilus means "lover of theo" (lover of god).
it would be bad if it was "letaj" or "detheo".
:roll:

Patrick Chewing
06-17-2011, 07:54 PM
Theophilus (Theo Ratliff)

Nah that's up there with the greats. Straight out of the bible son!

DuMa
06-17-2011, 07:54 PM
Prince Luc Richard Mbah a Moute

best name

The Macho Man
06-17-2011, 08:24 PM
Othyus
Mustafa

Jrue the worst though

kaiiu
06-17-2011, 08:30 PM
I fvcks with Thaddeus doe

PP34Deuce
06-17-2011, 08:37 PM
Mayce Christopher Webber and Vakeaton Wafer win.

Must disclude foreign african and european born players. Im nigerian and my whole name is like 6 words.

NBAller
06-17-2011, 08:37 PM
It works, doesn't make it any less foolish.

LeQueesha, Shaunte, Domonique ... jesus christ we could go on all day with stupid ghetto names.

Those guys stand out because of their game, though FYI


Hood Hater lol

the hood develops talent you watch nearly daily on TV......that being said i kind of sense some jealousy in your posts too..... "foolish" people from the hood can ball better and make more than you! :roll:

on topic............ i guess it all depends on what you see as weird, if names are weird..lol.

Dudley
06-17-2011, 08:38 PM
1. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JOD2alPne-M/TWbu_cGC76I/AAAAAAAAACQ/ZyrM_VeIbao/s400/brawny-old.jpg

2. Lamar is a legit english name, meaning "of the sea", it was popular in the 18th and 19th centuries in Britain. There's been numerous white southern republican congressman named Lamar. But I think moms' was on that late 70's fake muslim baby name ting just like the rest of black late-70's Queens, NY.

3. I got nothing, it's just a horrid mispelling.

4. Combo #2 (legit Saudi name) and the final sentence of #3.

5. Tayshaun is one of the g@yest names ever.

6. You got it.


Cool points for anyone who can name son:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/135/420/RackMultipart.30174.0_display_image.jpg?1262831395

How in the world is Jahidi a Saudi name? I've never heard of that word ever, and it doesn't even make sense in Arabic...

Samurai Swoosh
06-17-2011, 08:56 PM
the hood develops talent you watch nearly daily on TV......that being said i kind of sense some jealousy in your posts too..... "foolish" people from the hood can ball better and make more than you! :roll:
The best players in the game aren't from the "hood" though.

But yea, sure ... I'm "hatin"

:oldlol:

Don't mention that fact everyone else in this thread is doing the exact same thing.

Don't "axs" yourself that ... haha

Noof
06-17-2011, 09:00 PM
Amar'e is out there...

Also, Brook and Robin are girl names.

CelticBaller
06-17-2011, 09:04 PM
Carmelo- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG/220px-Carmelo_Anthony_2011_Shankbone.JPG
Monta-Sounds sexy-is sexy
http://www.speculativesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Monta+Ellis.jpg
Rudy- Sounds sexy- is sexy
http://www.josephcartman.com/studio/wp-content/2008/03/02/rudy_gay.jpg
man i tough you was straight :oldlol:

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 10:12 PM
JRUE



Seriously, how do you pronounce that?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1XOVko26wIE/TbINBe0mEGI/AAAAAAAAAX4/o-7l0MDuscA/s1600/Jeru_da_damaja_da_sun_rises_in_da_east-front%255B1%255D.jpg

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 10:13 PM
MustafaWhat's wrong with Mustafa ?
That's a legit Berber/Arabian name.

Rowe
06-17-2011, 10:15 PM
When u think about it... maybe it actually works ? I mean they do stand out.

LeBron
Kobe
Dwyane

Kobe has never been in an inner city, let alone lived in one.

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 10:18 PM
How in the world is Jahidi a Saudi name? I've never heard of that word ever, and it doesn't even make sense in Arabic...Sorry, maybe Jahidi is too phonetically close to Yehoudi :roll:

Maybe Jahidi/Jaheedi/Jahadi is another Khaleeji surname, from Oman ? I know I've seen the surname before, but you would obviously know Saudi names better if you are a Saudi living in KSA. I'm just part Turk basing it off people I met years ago.

Rowe
06-17-2011, 10:21 PM
What's wrong with Mustafa ?
That's a legit Berber/Arabian name.

Dont worry.

Apparently everybody should be named either John, Casey, Ethan, or Alec to appear normal.

BarberSchool
06-17-2011, 10:25 PM
Dont worry.

Apparently everybody should be named either John, Casey, Ethan, or Alec to appear normal.Word.
That's what i was thinking.
I'll re-iterate:

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/16-t1145274-500.jpg

Hittin_Shots
06-17-2011, 10:28 PM
What's wrong with Mustafa ?
That's a legit Berber/Arabian name.

Isn't it from The Lion King?

get these NETS
06-17-2011, 10:30 PM
No, it sounds like he's from France ... which makes even less sense.

But that's a ghetto thing, bro ... black women in the inner city are always coming up with some whacky attempt at a unique name to make their baby stand out.

:oldlol:


drink bleach

get these NETS
06-17-2011, 10:31 PM
LeBron comes to miind, makes no sense and sounds like he's from the hood.
gargle with ammonia

Rowe
06-17-2011, 10:40 PM
Isn't it from The Lion King?
Its Mufasa.

& the Lion King characters used traditional Swahili names.

Bosnian Sajo
06-17-2011, 10:43 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang

Other than Tracy and Sebastian, all those other names are foreign...

az00m
06-17-2011, 10:49 PM
Bubba WELLS!

nightprowler10
06-17-2011, 10:53 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang
Not sure if names of non-American players should count. Maybe they actually mean something in their language/culture?

Antawn is actually the one that annoys me the most. FFS, its Antwan. ANTWAN!!!

dunksby
06-17-2011, 11:19 PM
lol ISH can hate on anything :lol

sodap
06-17-2011, 11:27 PM
i think he was a roman or greek emperor, but nobody knows him. he was not very significant. should've called him hercules or herodes.


smh... you guys dont know your art history at all :facepalm

please guys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan's_Column
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Forum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan_(typeface)

roffie
06-17-2011, 11:28 PM
I donno.....I think Rudy sounds kinda ....hmm...
gay :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Teanett
06-18-2011, 04:05 AM
smh... you guys dont know your art history at all :facepalm

please guys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan's_Column
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Forum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan_(typeface)

shit, how could i have forgotten! he's named after a bridge and typeface.:confusedshrug:

Mr. Jabbar
06-18-2011, 04:10 AM
zydrunas Omfg

miller-time
06-18-2011, 04:28 AM
Kobe named from a piece of beef.

although the beef is named from where it comes from, kobe japan, which got its name from the group of people who attended a specific shinto shrine.

but i have heard they took it directly from the beef. so i doubt they care about its etymology.

therammingman
06-18-2011, 05:00 AM
mario chalmers
smush parker
bimbo coles
bonzi wells

nbacardDOTnet
06-18-2011, 08:20 PM
lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"?

lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?

antawn- french name spelled english, a double ghetto.

jahidi- sounds like the twin brother of "jihad"

baron- wtf? is his wife "baroness davis"?

shawn is bad, deshawn is worse but TAYSHAUN...:facepalm

kenyon- his folks can't spell, it's "kenyan" or "canyon"

:oldlol:

Rashard
06-18-2011, 08:45 PM
Sasha
Slava
Ime
Jerome
Pooh

latrellspreee
06-18-2011, 10:04 PM
bad NBA first names

zay_24
06-18-2011, 10:44 PM
Kobe is one of the nicest names i've ever heard.








































BEAN!

cavsfanatic
06-19-2011, 12:35 AM
Lebron and Kobe are very unique names. Get off they dick

nbacardDOTnet
06-20-2011, 12:37 PM
Demarcus - Too ghetto
LaMarcus - Too ghetto
LeBron - Too ghetto
Jrue - Wow...
Lindsey (Hunter) - Girly
Tracy - Girly
Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo - Too long
Hasheem - Hashish wannabe
Rafer - What the hell is a RAFER..

Last but not least............. Vakeaton ("Von" Wafer).

:lol

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/Dikembe%20Mutombo/1e6470b9.jpg

taucesays
06-20-2011, 01:27 PM
JRUE



Seriously, how do you pronounce that?

Drew

"Jrue: My mom and my mom

Swaggin916
06-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Didier
Tracy
Sebastian
Predrag
Hidayet
Wang

Really not fair considering most of those are not Amercian names and are probably perfectly normal in their respective countries. I agree with Tracy and other girl names like Lindsey... like wtf you had a boy idiot.

nbacardDOTnet
06-28-2011, 10:15 AM
E'Twaun Moore

wally_world
06-28-2011, 11:28 AM
Bonzi
Bimbo
Popeye

:facepalm

Hittin_Shots
06-28-2011, 11:31 AM
Wally

mattevans11
06-28-2011, 03:07 PM
i got another one for you:
TRAJAN- as if mom got fukking drunk, then had the idea that "tarzan" was a good name but was already too wasted to spell it right.


is this a Langdon reference or is there another Trajan?

wally_world
06-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Wally

:no:

thugginnuggin
06-28-2011, 05:22 PM
Chu Chu - From denver

Sakkreth
06-28-2011, 05:36 PM
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar][size=7]

Phong
06-28-2011, 06:21 PM
lebron- sounds french, so it's "the bron". wtf is a "bron"
LeBron >> Le Brun which means "the brown" but nobody is called like that in France.

The French version of it would just be Bruno.



lamar- sounds french, but why would you call your son "march" when he was born in november?Lamar >> La mer which means "the sea" and not the month of march.

The only French name based on the month of march (or Mars the roman god of war) is Martin/Martine.