Does Kobe Need A "Scottie Pippen" On His Team?

[KingLeBronJames]

What I mean by that is that he's been playing the role of Mike and Scottie by scoring and facilitating the offense. That's a lot of work I think. Especially since nobody else can facilitate and knows the offense. I think Kobe needs a "Scottie" who can score and facilitate like Pippen did if he wants to save his legs and energy. Maybe get a point foward like Andrew Iguodala or any point guards like Chris Paul or somebody else. That'll make the game easier for him.

[BlackJoker23]

no, he needs a michael jordan.

[LJJ]

BOOM it's wrap.

[KingLeBronJames]

no, he needs a michael jordan.
Why? Kobe won NBA Championships.

[ImmortalD24]

An All-Time great point forward that plays goat defense? sure.. there isn't a team that couldn't use that.




What Kobe needs is some good old PEDs.. LeJuice.

[Laimbeer_Rodman]

He needs Scottie.And Robert also.Shaq would be great too

[Stuckey]

nah, he needs a decent point guard though

[amfirst]

LeBron would fit that role nicely. But a good pg would work, like CP3. They look pretty unstoppable in the allstar games.

Kobe scores, CP3 scores, Kobe passes, CP3 passes, it was like a two man game.

[get these NETS]

fish is the pippen.....as far as running the offense

de facto pippen............lamar sometimes

[Scoooter]

He should just pass the ball to Andrew Bynum more.

[heyhey]

He should just pass the ball to Andrew Bynum more.

he would if Andrew wasn't in crutches button mashing Street Fighter 4 for half the season

[Sheed]

Kobe needs a dominant big man and someone who comes in clutch in playoff situations. I'm sure if he had that then the Lakers could easily threepeat.

wait a sec

[rodman91]

Kobe isn't Jordan.Jordan at his age, was living at post,like a PF or C. Kobe is living & dying with his jumpers at the moment. They should learn how to use Gasol and Bynum more effective. It would help Kobe's game a lot since there will be less pressure on him because of inside scorers.

Also Odom is one of the best all around players.He can score,assist,rebound,defend good enough. They should have better defensive pg.

[FourthTenor]

He should just pass the ball to Andrew Bynum more.


he would if Andrew wasn't in crutches button mashing Street Fighter 4 for half the season

No he wouldn't.


And lol @ kobe "facilitating" anything except his own shots.

[rodman91]

And lol @ kobe "facilitating" anything except his own shots.
or like this...:lol
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NjhiCj36IRY/SyuPPh-6RdI/AAAAAAAADXU/xWnrtM37DLk/s400/kobe_bryant_pass_catch.jpg

[FourthTenor]

http://www.scoresreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kobe-Bryant-Flow-Chart.jpg

[kaiiu]

Kobe 2 rings with Gasoft as his sidekick :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

some ppl cant even win with multiple all stars

[Bigsmoke]

having Shaq for 8 years isnt good enough?

[97 bulls]

or like this...:lol
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NjhiCj36IRY/SyuPPh-6RdI/AAAAAAAADXU/xWnrtM37DLk/s400/kobe_bryant_pass_catch.jpg
I think even this is a stretch

[$LakerGold]

Threads like this make me :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

OP, how stupid are you? wtf son

[Solid Snake]

Odom was supposed to be his Pippen. Too bad he has no heart.

[rodman91]

Kobe 2 rings with Gasoft as his sidekick :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

some ppl cant even win with multiple all stars

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31075.jpg

[the_wise_one]

No, he just needs David Stern.

[SAKOTXA]

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31075.jpg
Both Gary Payton and Malone were no where near to that "all star" level of play at that point, but i see you're taking shots at Shaq. He couldn't win with 3 all stars.

[MaxFly]

Kobe isn't Jordan.Jordan at his age, was living at post,like a PF or C. Kobe is living & dying with his jumpers at the moment. They should learn how to use Gasol and Bynum more effective. It would help Kobe's game a lot since there will be less pressure on him because of inside scorers.

Also Odom is one of the best all around players.He can score,assist,rebound,defend good enough. They should have better defensive pg.

The reason Bryant stays on the perimeter is primarily to make space for Bynum and Gasol in the post within the triangle offense. Last season, when Gasol missed a number of games at the start of the season, Bryant was able to operate from the post much more than he was able to this season, and he was highly effective and efficient. When Gasol returned, his efficiency quickly dropped as he moved back to the perimiter. I expect whoever the Lakers pick up as their offensive coach to develop a scheme to get Bryant more posts looks and easy shots while trying not to interfere with Gasol and Bynum's offense too much.

What Bryant really needs on that team is a good facilitator, likely in the form of a point guard who passes extremely well and can shoot.

[MaxFly]

http://www.scoresreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kobe-Bryant-Flow-Chart.jpg

It's amazing that mentality has led to 3 Finals appearances and 2 championships in the last 4 years.

[MaxFly]

Odom was supposed to be his Pippen. Too bad he has no heart.

I think Odom's primary issue is that it's touch and go as to whether he will come out and play with confidence. And then, if he is playing with confidence, whether he will make the right decisions on the court more often than not.

[rodman91]

Both Gary Payton and Malone were no where near to that "all star" level of play at that point, but i see you're taking shots at Shaq. He couldn't win with 3 all stars.
2004 finals...
Shaq: 26.6 ppg,10.8 rpg 63% in 42 minutes (he has been used less)
Kobe:22.6 ppg 4.4apg 38% in 46 minutes (chucking at its best)
Luke Walton : 4.5 apg in 19 minutes.
2004 finals... Kobe at 26 years old had as bad as Lebron's finals.

Not to defend Lebron's performance but Kobe had similar finals too.And lost with another super-team to underdog team.

Karl Malone was injured and Payton sucked in finals..However they were part of success of Lakers that season.Karl Malone + Payton > Bosh. Also Shaq>Wade.

Malone & Payton weren't in prime but they haven't been washed up yet. regular season stats:
Payton: 14.6 ppg, 5.5 apg. (a year ago he produced 20.8 ppg & 8.3 apg.)
Malone: 13.7 ppg 8.7 rpg (a year ago he produced 20.6 ppg & 7.8rpg & 4.7 apg)

[sh0wtime]

http://www.scoresreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kobe-Bryant-Flow-Chart.jpg

Haha, wow.

[sh0wtime]

It's amazing that mentality has led to 3 Finals appearances and 2 championships in the last 4 years.

Any mentality can lead to a championship, considering this is a team game and a championship is the biggest team accomplishment there is. Im sure you can get away with averaging 20 turnovers alongside 90's Bulls and still get a ring probably. :P

[R.I.P.]

What? Have Shaq, Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Artest not been enough? It is really ridiculous, when Lakers fans complain about the Heat, when their best five is at least as deep, unless you want to admit Kobe is inferior to Wade and Lebron at this stage.

[sh0wtime]

I think Lebron would be a perfect "Pippen" for Kobe ("Jordan"), a supercharged Pippen. I also think Kobe would fill that Jordan role much better than Wade and would therefore complement Lebron better than anybody.

[ShaqAttack3234]

2004 finals...
Shaq: 26.6 ppg,10.8 rpg 63% in 42 minutes (he has been used less)
Kobe:22.6 ppg 4.4apg 38% in 46 minutes (chucking at its best)
Luke Walton : 4.5 apg in 19 minutes.
2004 finals... Kobe at 26 years old had as bad as Lebron's finals.

Not to defend Lebron's performance but Kobe had similar finals too.And lost with another super-team to underdog team.

Karl Malone was injured and Payton sucked in finals..However they were part of success of Lakers that season.Karl Malone + Payton > Bosh. Also Shaq>Wade.

Malone & Payton weren't in prime but they haven't been washed up yet. regular season stats:
Payton: 14.6 ppg, 5.5 apg. (a year ago he produced 20.8 ppg & 8.3 apg.)
Malone: 13.7 ppg 8.7 rpg (a year ago he produced 20.6 ppg & 7.8rpg & 4.7 apg)

Malone actually played really well before his injury, but he missed half the regular season with that knee injury and played well injured in the playoffs, but he re-injured his knee before the finals and really couldn't play.

Payton was embarrassing, he was a bad fit in the offense(though his regular season wasn't bad), but he averaged 8 ppg on 37% shooting in the playoffs and 4 ppg on 32% shooting in the finals, iirc while Chauncey lit him up for 21 ppg on 51% shooting.

Losing with Malone and Payton means nothing considering the circumstances. Both played like scrubs in the finals(though it wasn't Malone's fault).

[rodman91]

Malone actually played really well before his injury, but he missed half the regular season with that knee injury and played well injured in the playoffs, but he re-injured his knee before the finals and really couldn't play.

Payton was embarrassing, he was a bad fit in the offense(though his regular season wasn't bad), but he averaged 8 ppg on 37% shooting in the playoffs and 4 ppg on 32% shooting in the finals, iirc while Chauncey lit him up for 21 ppg on 51% shooting.

Losing with Malone and Payton means nothing considering the circumstances. Both played like scrubs in the finals(though it wasn't Malone's fault).

Malone was injured and if he wasn't series would be more challenging.Payton was good in regular season especially since team was struggling with injuries.Triangle offense with Shaq&Kobe wouldn't let others to shine though.

Team was still depending on Kobe & Shaq. Shaq delivered well even though he was battling with Ben&Rasheed Wallace.. and quality veterans and rookies.He still managed 27 ppg with %63.He has been used lesser than previous finals.

Kobe was not just struggling at his shots but he was killing team chemisty with forcing way too much. These things led so many fast breaks for Pistons.That was gold for Pistons since they weren't great offensive team.

Anyway, he had really bad series like Lebron.Difference is he had already 3 championship and hype for him wasn't as massive as Lebron at finals. Quitting your team to win championship with same generation's stars and still losing with poor performance made Lebron's run ultimate failure and joke for everyone.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The reason Bryant stays on the perimeter is primarily to make space for Bynum and Gasol in the post within the triangle offense. Last season, when Gasol missed a number of games at the start of the season, Bryant was able to operate from the post much more than he was able to this season, and he was highly effective and efficient. When Gasol returned, his efficiency quickly dropped as he moved back to the perimiter. I expect whoever the Lakers pick up as their offensive coach to develop a scheme to get Bryant more posts looks and easy shots while trying not to interfere with Gasol and Bynum's offense too much.

What Bryant really needs on that team is a good facilitator, likely in the form of a point guard who passes extremely well and can shoot.

Just give up Gasol and Bynum and get some perimeter talent in return then. Problem solved. Oh wait, he doesn't want to do that because Kobe needs great big men to win, as we'll again see when Howard comes to LA.

[Sharmer]

What I mean by that is that he's been playing the role of Mike and Scottie by scoring and facilitating the offense. That's a lot of work I think. Especially since nobody else can facilitate and knows the offense. I think Kobe needs a "Scottie" who can score and facilitate like Pippen did if he wants to save his legs and energy. Maybe get a point foward like Andrew Iguodala or any point guards like Chris Paul or somebody else. That'll make the game easier for him.


Kobe needs HOF 7 footers and plenty of them to be decent.