The legendary John Wooden said Kobe Bryant is the best player he ever seen

[Ne 1]

Things to consider:

- He has watched every great player in history.
- He is aware about the strengths and weaknesses of every era.
- He watched a TON of Laker games (so it's not like he was being hyped into believing it) and has seen more games than anyone else on this site.
- As far as I know, he has no agenda. Completely unbiased opinion here.
- This is John freaking Wooden. He knew more about basketball than you could ever hope. He would laugh in your face if you ever presented him with a bunch of trash stats to make your case, he understands that there is more to the game.
- Jerry "the GOAT talent evaluator" West named Kobe as the top 5 players ever right? If you are going to agree with him on everything, then why ignore this?
















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[iamgine]

Little known fact:

- John Wooden loved to troll.

[creepingdeath]

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[asdf1990]

about 50+ other basketball legends beg to differ. Who is the greatest is all an opinion. U think kobe is the greatest. Other people think its kareem, magic, wilt, russell, bird or Jordan.

[kaiiu]

http://i56.tinypic.com/684utw.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[N0Skillz]

John Wooden is correct

/thread

[Duncan21formvp]

Things to consider:

- He has watched every great player in history.
- He is aware about the strengths and weaknesses of every era.
- He watched a TON of Laker games (so it's not like he was being hyped into believing it) and has seen more games than anyone else on this site.
- As far as I know, he has no agenda. Completely unbiased opinion here.
- This is John freaking Wooden. He knew more about basketball than you could ever hope. He would laugh in your face if you ever presented him with a bunch of trash stats to make your case, he understands that there is more to the game.
- Jerry "the GOAT talent evaluator" West named Kobe as the top 5 players ever right? If you are going to agree with him on everything, then why ignore this?
















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Because he is not the best ever or even top 5. He lost with HCA twice and was swept as well and never led a championship team in production. Never led a team in Win Shares on the season anytime LA won it.

[Ne 1]

Because he is not the best ever or even top 5. He lost with HCA twice and was swept as well and never led a championship team in production. Never led a team in Win Shares on the season anytime LA won it.

http://www.u-mad.org/haterz.html

[97 bulls]

John wooden was about 97 years old when he said that. Come on

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Because he is not the best ever or even top 5. He lost with HCA twice and was swept as well and never led a championship team in production. Never led a team in Win Shares on the season anytime LA won it.

Win Shares? Really!? Win Shares?
:facepalm
Have you ever even played basketball?

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Dude died last year...

[Ne 1]

John wooden was about 97 years old when he said that. Come on

Doesn't make what he said any less true. If a 97 year old man says Kobe is the best player he ever saw that tells you all you need to know. He witnessed every great player in NBA history!

[RoseCity07]

Kobe is one of the most skilled ever, but imitation of Mj is still imitation. Nothing is better than the original. If Kobe was better I think his averages would be higher and his field goal percentage would be better. At least close to Mj.

[Ne 1]

Kobe is one of the most skilled ever, but imitation of Mj is still imitation. Nothing is better than the original. If Kobe was better I think his averages would be higher and his field goal percentage would be better. At least close to Mj.

:oldlol: Truly delusional.

[Mr. Jabbar]

:applause:

[catch24]

Based on an individual skill-set, yes, I think it's fair to say Kobe is at least top 5. Unfortunately, there are other ways to evaluate a players greatness besides his "skill-set".

[veilside23]

no MJ never lose a finals game .... /end thread.. 6 out 6 ... that simple.. and MJ is the clear cut #1 option to all of those games.. kobe may have won as many but often times 2nd fiddle to a big.... so please i dont care who john wooden is ive seen both guys play .. so i dont care who he is.. who knows he could be a laker fan like you..

[BlackJoker23]

op using fatal's post yet again.:facepalm
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155326

seems like all kobe stans seem to do this without giving anyone any credit. :lol

[Ne 1]

no MJ never lose a finals game .... /end thread.. 6 out 6 ... that simple.. and MJ is the clear cut #1 option to all of those games.. kobe may have won as many but often times 2nd fiddle to a big.... so please i dont care who john wooden is ive seen both guys play .. so i dont care who he is.. who knows he could be a laker fan like you..

John Wooden witnessed every great player in NBA history, you haven't.

[Ne 1]

op using fatal's post yet again.:facepalm
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155326

seems like all kobe stans seem to do this without giving anyone any credit. :lol

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[creepingdeath]

op using fatal's post yet again.:facepalm
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155326

seems like all kobe stans seem to do this without giving anyone any credit. :lol
... what a f@g the OP is. Probably didn't even know who John Wooden was before that thread. :roll:

OP = kobejocking twelve years old ******ger
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[Hittin_Shots]

Dementia....

[DCL]

people often get senile and say stupid sh1t when they get old as fk.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

I'm pretty sure the greatest never got swept by an inferior team, lost in the Finals twice, has 6 rings and won Finals MVP for all of them, and has a 50% FG rating.

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/paulhead/128.gif
Ohhh man, I miss this GIF ... thanks.

Looks like a young Bruce Blitz and friends.

:oldlol:

[Ne 1]

... what a f@g the OP is. Probably didn't even know who John Wooden was before that thread. :roll:

OP = kobejocking twelve years old ******ger
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[KingBeasley08]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Kobe isnt even as good as Wade

[Ne 1]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Kobe isnt even as good as Wade

"I believe that Kobe is still the best player in the league" - Dwayne Wade

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[Duncan21formvp]

"I believe that Kobe is still the best player in the league" - Dwayne Wade

http://cdnl.complex.com/assets/images/lists/hip-hop-gifs/2-Camron-You-Mad.gif
Kobe in the series against the Mavericks in 2011

4 Games

23.25 PPG / 3.00 RPG / 2.5 APG / 1.75 SPG / 0.25 BPG / 2.75 TPG / 45.8% FG / 22.7% 3 PT FG / 80.0% FT

3 other players in the series averaged double figures in Bynum 13.3 ppg, Gasol, 12.5 ppg, Odom 12.3 ppg
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.nba.com/mavericks/stats/2010/conf_semi_stats.html

Dirk in the series against the Lakers in 2011

4 Games

25.25 PPG / 9.25 RPG / 2.5 APG / 0.75 SPG / 0.50 BPG / 1.75 TPG / 57.4% FG / 72.7% 3 PT FG / 93.8% FT

3 other players averaged double figures in the series all off the bench. Terry 19.8 ppg, Peja 12.5 ppg and Barea 11.5 ppg


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/mavericks-lakers

[Duncan21formvp]

Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team. Gasol led the Lakers in Win Shares in 2009. He led the Lakers in Win Shares and PER in 2010 and led the entire playoffs in WS in the playoffs in 2010.
In 2011, Gasol led the team and was 2nd in the league in Win Shares. In the playoffs Kobe was 5th on the team in Win Shares and 6th in Win Shares Per 48 minutes.

[Ne 1]

Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team. Gasol led the Lakers in Win Shares in 2009. He led the Lakers in Win Shares and PER in 2010 and led the entire playoffs in WS in the playoffs in 2010.
In 2011, Gasol led the team and was 2nd in the league in Win Shares. In the playoffs Kobe was 5th on the team in Win Shares and 6th in Win Shares Per 48 minutes.

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[Duncan21formvp]

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I don't want to know how you look fool.
:oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team. Gasol led the Lakers in Win Shares in 2009.
OMG you're a homofag.

Win shares? Another made up stat?

Gasol the best player on the team?

You smoke way too much pole, dude.

:oldlol:

Where is ShaqAttack when you need him. Kobe has always been the best player on the Lakers post Shaq.

[Ne 1]

I don't want to know how you look fool.
:oldlol:

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[Duncan21formvp]

http://oi51.tinypic.com/fwlkdc.jpg

Is that your daddy?:roll:

[jstern]

The human mind when it wants to believe something. A million people, legends, past and current players all think Jordan is the best ever, and an old coach in his late 90s says Kobe is the best ever, and it's ultimate proof for them, and they must share with everybody.

[Ne 1]

Is that your daddy?:roll:

Nah, it's John Hollinger followers who actually give a fukk about PER and win shares.

[Duncan21formvp]

OMG you're a homofag.

Win shares? Another made up stat?

Gasol the best player on the team?

You smoke way too much pole, dude.

:oldlol:

Where is ShaqAttack when you need him. Kobe has always been the best player on the Lakers post Shaq.

Just like every formula in physics is made up. It is the made up formulas that enable things to work and flow. Without made up formulas things such as torque wouldn't exist which in turn means you would still be walking from point A to Point B as things such as cars wouldn't exist without those made up formulas.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Just like every formula in physics is made up. It is the made up formulas that enable things to work and flow. Without made up formulas things such as torque wouldn't exist which in turn means you would still be walking from point A to Point B as things such as cars wouldn't exist without those made up formulas.
Basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ... dork.

I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

I got to go to the post your pic thread right now and see if you're in there. You can tell based off pics who plays and who doesn't and who is just a dork trying to talk about basketball. I see Bob Costas, Jim Grays, John Hollingers and a bunch of jock sniffing look alikes thinking they know what they're talking about.

Win shares ... OMG I've heard it all since joinging ISH.

Gasol better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rysio]

Basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ... dork.

I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

I got to go to the post your pic thread right now and see if you're in there. You can tell based off pics who plays and who doesn't and who is just a dork trying to talk about basketball. I see Bob Costas, Jim Grays, John Hollingers and a bunch of jock sniffing look alikes thinking they know what they're talking about.

Win shares ... OMG I've heard it all since joinging ISH.

Gasol better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[OriginalNameGuy]

not even the best player of his Era
that honor goes to Tim Duncan

[Ne 1]

Just like every formula in physics is made up. It is the made up formulas that enable things to work and flow. Without made up formulas things such as torque wouldn't exist which in turn means you would still be walking from point A to Point B as things such as cars wouldn't exist without those made up formulas.

Those formulas don't apply in baksetball breh, it ain't baseball. Nobody in real life will ever talk about that BS when debating baksetball. Only dorks on the net give a fukk about worthless formulas like PER and win shares.

[Duncan21formvp]

Basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ... dork.

I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

I got to go to the post your pic thread right now and see if you're in there. You can tell based off pics who plays and who doesn't and who is just a dork trying to talk about basketball. I see Bob Costas, Jim Grays, John Hollingers and a bunch of jock sniffing look alikes thinking they know what they're talking about.

Win shares ... OMG I've heard it all since joinging ISH.

Gasol better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Do these same people know the formula for how torque is calculated so that a car can run? Do they know how electricity flows in the made up formula so that we can have air conditioning and light? Do they know how networks are created and how they are calculated so that IP addresses can be created and routers?:violin:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Those formulas don't apply in baksetball breh, it ain't baseball. Nobody in real life will ever talk about that BS when debating baksetball. Only dorks on the net give a fukk about worthless formulas like PER and win shares.
You're not off the hook either, phagg0t ... :oldlol:

For posting a quote from some 500 year old fossil of a man, who can't remember what he ate for dinner on Saturday, let alone remember over the course of time who the best of all-time is ...

You need to get smacked for your stupidity too.

You know damn well Kobe isn't the best player of all-time.

Kobe himself would tell you that.

:facepalm

[Ne 1]

Basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ... dork.

I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

I got to go to the post your pic thread right now and see if you're in there. You can tell based off pics who plays and who doesn't and who is just a dork trying to talk about basketball. I see Bob Costas, Jim Grays, John Hollingers and a bunch of jock sniffing look alikes thinking they know what they're talking about.

Win shares ... OMG I've heard it all since joinging ISH.

Gasol better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Duncan21MVP aka TmacsRockets just got fukked with no Vaseline.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEcNmBPlVg

[Duncan21formvp]

Those formulas don't apply in baksetball breh, it ain't baseball. Nobody in real life will ever talk about that BS when debating baksetball. Only dorks on the net give a fukk about worthless formulas like PER and win shares.
Except everything in society is made up for formulas and things that work. The creation of a basketball as well is something that had to be designed intrinsecally by made up formulas and techniques using other objects that were created from made up formulas.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Do these same people know the formula for how torque is calculated so that a car can run? Do they know how electricity flows in the made up formula so that we can have air conditioning and light? Do they know how networks are created and how they are calculated so that IP addresses can be created and routers?:violin:
You ARE a dork. lol

Basketball is a game, not a mathematical equation.

Go back to watching Tron, you nerdy ass corn ball. Basketball clearly isn't for you.

[Ne 1]

You're not off the hook either, phagg0t ... :oldlol:

For posting a quote from some 500 year old fossil of a man, who can't remember what he ate for dinner on Saturday, let alone remember over the course of time who the best of all-time is ...

You need to get smacked for your stupidity too.

You know damn well Kobe isn't the best player of all-time.

Kobe himself would tell you that.

:facepalm

C'mon breh you gonna tell me that didn't see the troll face at the end of the post? http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/hmm.gif

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Let's not get drink too much.
Every person in their right mind knows that Kobe is clearly the leader of the Lakers, and clearly more important to the Lakers.
Pau Gasol, the thing is, whenever I see him play, I barely remember him doing anything in the game. At the end of the game, he has something likee 17/12. That was the quietest double double I've ever seen.
Pau never straight out dominate games. Kobe does.

[Samurai Swoosh]

C'mon breh you gonna tell me that didn't see the troll face at the end of the post? http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/hmm.gif
Oh, my bad brew ...

I need to get slapped. Fukk.

:facepalm

Duncan21formvpfinalsmvpallstargamedpoy is still a dorky dumb ass though.

:pimp:

[Ne 1]

Oh, my bad brew ...

I need to get slapped. Fukk.

:facepalm

Duncan21formvpfinalsmvpallstargamedpoy is still a dorky dumb ass though.

:pimp:

It's all good, just felt like having some fun with the Kobe haters. :cheers:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Pau never straight out dominate games. Kobe does.
Exactly. Sports is all about context. I know you see the Lakers giving it to Gasol at the end of games to seal the deal ... since he leads them in "win shares" and all.

[zay_24]

John Wooden is correct

/thread
this

[kaiiu]

Basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ... dork.

I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

I got to go to the post your pic thread right now and see if you're in there. You can tell based off pics who plays and who doesn't and who is just a dork trying to talk about basketball. I see Bob Costas, Jim Grays, John Hollingers and a bunch of jock sniffing look alikes thinking they know what they're talking about.

Win shares ... OMG I've heard it all since joinging ISH.

Gasol better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :applause:

real shit

[catch24]

Except everything in society is made up for formulas and things that work. The creation of a basketball as well is something that had to be designed intrinsecally by made up formulas and techniques using other objects that were created from made up formulas.

So you're willing to admit Kobe was a better player than Shaq during the 2001 postseason? I mean, come on man, Kobe led Shaq by .1 winshares!!!!

lol, these lames don't even watch basketball. Stick to playing with your calculator, dickhead.

[RoseCity07]

None of us can truly appreciate Kobe game until he is long retired. Too much nostalgia for past players. See the movie Midnight in Paris. You realize every era thinks the previous was the golden age. Kobe will be the goat to 90% of lakers fans. He just won't be that to me.

It's Jordan and Kareem in my opinion. They are 1-2.

[B]

John wooden was about 97 years old when he said that. Come on
That just means he's seen even more great players than somebody half his age

[DixieNourmous]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Kobe isnt even as good as Wade


:roll::roll::roll:

[DixieNourmous]

not even the best player of his Era
that honor goes to Tim Duncan


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[DixieNourmous]

not even the best player of his Era
that honor goes to Tim Duncan

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[jlip]

While I disagree greatly with his opinion, you have to respect who this is coming from. A person with Wooden's wealth of experience and knowledge of the game had a reason for saying what he said. Again I don't agree, but what it does show is that there is indeed no official or concrete criteria by which to make these assertions, and frankly a case can be made for several players as the GOAT contingent upon the individual's measuring stick.

[1987_Lakers]

Things to consider:

- He has watched every great player in history.
- He is aware about the strengths and weaknesses of every era.
- He watched a TON of Laker games (so it's not like he was being hyped into believing it) and has seen more games than anyone else on this site.
- As far as I know, he has no agenda. Completely unbiased opinion here.
- This is John freaking Wooden. He knew more about basketball than you could ever hope. He would laugh in your face if you ever presented him with a bunch of trash stats to make your case, he understands that there is more to the game.
- Jerry "the GOAT talent evaluator" West named Kobe as the top 5 players ever right? If you are going to agree with him on everything, then why ignore this?
















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lmfao, the op just stole this post from fatal.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155326

[Jacks3]

05-07 Kobe=truly the GOAT.

[Odinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bIDEtpOMs

Dr. J said Kareem is The G.O.A.T. Will you agree with him? Nope.

Just calm down.

[raptorfan_dr07]

05-07 Kobe=truly the GOAT.

The GOAT at getting knocked out of the first round and quitting on his team while Steve Nash uses you to wipe his @$$ with.

Scottie Pippen summed up Kobe's 2005/06 season PERFECTLY with this one sentence: "81 points and he'll be done, what, the first week of May?" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWFIGhD980

Kobe's 05/06 and 06/07 years are probably the most overrated seasons in NBA history. All those scoring numbers and all he has to show for those years are first round @$$ kickings, 3-1 choke, and quitting on his team.

[Jacks3]

The GOAT at getting knocked out of the first round and quitting on his team while Steve Nash uses you to wipe his @$$ with.

Scottie Pippen summed up Kobe's 2005/06 season PERFECTLY with this one sentence: "81 points and he'll be done, what, the first week of May?" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWFIGhD980

Kobe's 05/06 and 06/07 years are probably the most overrated seasons in NBA history. All those scoring numbers and all he has to show for those years are first round @$$ kickings, 3-1 choke, and quitting on his team.
The fact that Kobe got those teams even into the playoffs is truly a miracle.

:bowdown:

[N0Skillz]

John Wooden October 14, 1910

[the_wise_one]

He's not so legendary after all if he makes such stupid statement.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The fact that Kobe got those teams even into the playoffs is truly a miracle.

:bowdown:

So true. :bowdown:

[Anaximandro1]

not even the best player of his Era
that honor goes to Tim Duncan
Yeah.After Jordan-era,Duncan (1999,2003,2005,2007) and Shaq (2000,2001,2002,2006) dominated over the next 10 years.

[gengiskhan]

05-07 Kobe=truly the GOAT.

more like watered down version of 1995-1998 MJ.

more like a combination of 1998 & 2001-2003 MJ.

You just got fooled by overnight adaptation of sissy rules by NBA,

Even 1998 MJ can go on 40 pts consequitive scoring spree for 20 straight games under 2005-present rules.

Hell even wizards MJ will put a good 6-8 games 40 pts streak. too easy.

[Calabis]

Win Shares? Really!? Win Shares?
:facepalm
Have you ever even played basketball?

Yeah I have and its a stat(shouldn't be really used to judge, but) that isn't important to Kobe fans.....funny that when u start looking at the other All Time Greats they all lead their teams in this category...yet when it comes to Kobe...its a bogus stat...lmao....kinda like the TS% u guys use to bolster his accuracy at the rim....free throws??? Really??

[DMAVS41]

Yeah I have and its a stat(shouldn't be really used to judge, but) that isn't important to Kobe fans.....funny that when u start looking at the other All Time Greats they all lead their teams in this category...yet when it comes to Kobe...its a bogus stat...lmao....kinda like the TS% u guys use to bolster his accuracy at the rim....free throws??? Really??

Is there any stat the Kobe fans like?

He's only 13th all time in playoff ppg. His efficiency is good, but no great.

All of the advanced stuff doesn't rate him very high.

Numbers wise Kobe does not grade out very well compared to the other all time greats overall. Doesn't mean Kobe isn't great, but its something that just can't be swept under the rug.

[Da_Realist]

lmfao, the op just stole this post from fatal.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155326

He IS fatal9 :facepalm

[catch24]

Yeah I have and its a stat(shouldn't be really used to judge, but) that isn't important to Kobe fans.....funny that when u start looking at the other All Time Greats they all lead their teams in this category...yet when it comes to Kobe...its a bogus stat...lmao....kinda like the TS% u guys use to bolster his accuracy at the rim....free throws??? Really??

So Kobe was more important to his teams success during the Lakers '01 run, right? Led Shaq by .1 winshares and all, just saying.

[eazyduzzit10]

So just because Wooden says Kobe is the best ever, do we just ignore the majority of people that say MJ is the best????

[Calabis]

So Kobe was more important to his teams success during the Lakers '01 run, right? Led Shaq by .1 winshares and all, just saying.

We r talking the finals here and .1?? Really?? This dude is talked about being GOAT with his finals performances??? Kobe Bryant is a great player, but please tell me what stats are allowed against this guy? Tell me what makes him GOAT....nothing imo

[Calabis]

So just because Wooden says Kobe is the best ever, do we just ignore the majority of people that say MJ is the best????

Yes because I posted a list from players from 60's up until current guys, GMs and Coaches, but according to the Kobebrigade its all P.R. for MJ...lmao....Jerry West job is to judge talent...we all know who he thinks is GOAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1mFE_ekV7E

[catch24]

We r talking the finals here and .1?? Really?? This dude is talked about being GOAT with his finals performances??? Kobe Bryant is a great player, but please tell me what stats are allowed against this guy? Tell me what makes him GOAT....nothing imo

.1, albeit by a hair, is still better. Kobe led the Lakers in winshares throughout their 2001 postseason run. According to some of the stat buffers, Kobe was more vital to their success.

I don't think anyone sans trolls and Kobe nutjobs believe he's the GOAT. I don't even have him in my top 5-8.

[Maniak]

This thread is proof Jeff doesn't have enough mods.

It is CLEARLY just here to troll the idiots on ISH.

[Calabis]

.1, albeit by a hair, is still better. Kobe led the Lakers in winshares throughout their 2001 postseason run. According to some of the stat buffers, Kobe was more vital to their success.

I don't think anyone sans trolls and Kobe nutjobs believe he's the GOAT. I don't even have him in my top 5-8.

No finals MVP hardware and Shaq dominated in the finals, Kobe dominated Spurs series, both dominated in Kings series...this isn't about Kobe's one season, it's about his career and his Finals performances, his overall play in the playoffs is anything but legendary

[catch24]

No finals MVP hardware and Shaq dominated in the finals, Kobe dominated Spurs series, both dominated in Kings series...this isn't about Kobe's one season, it's about his career and his Finals performances, his overall play in the playoffs is anything but legendary

Likewise Kobe in '09 and '10. He won both Finals MVPs but you got mini-Hollingers claiming Gasol had more win shares (in 2010), thus he was the better player. The double standards here are hilarious.

Take a bite.

25/5/5 is still elite and good enough to be ranked top 10 by the vast majority.

[Calabis]

Likewise Kobe in '09 and '10. He won both Finals MVPs but you got mini-Hollingers claiming Gasol had more win shares (in 2010), thus he was the better player. The double standards here are hilarious.

Take a bite.

25/5/5 is still elite and good enough to be ranked top 10 by the vast majority.

I never said Gasol was better than Kobe, only a retard would think that(stats should be used in perspective, not as a tell all...perspective: Most other greats dominate their teammates in winshares..except Kobe), but in that Celtics series at least Gasol was mentioned for MVP consideration, with several people believing he deserved it....and I have Kobe ranked 10 as of now, never stated he wasn't a All time Great...I stated he is not GOAT

[kaiiu]

the legendary John Wooden knows his shit :applause:

who better? Jordan? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[catch24]

I never said Gasol was better than Kobe, only a retard would think that(stats should be used in perspective, not as a tell all...perspective: Most other greats dominate their teammates in winshares..except Kobe), but in that Celtics series at least Gasol was mentioned for MVP consideration, with several people believing he deserved it....and I have Kobe ranked 10 as of now, never stated he wasn't a All time Great...I stated he is not GOAT

Alright cool.

I thought you were one of Duncan21formvp's spawn accounts for a second there :oldlol:

[DRose1899]

the legendary John Wooden knows his shit :applause:

who better? Jordan? :oldlol: :oldlol:
Seriously, what your beef to Jordan? :confusedshrug:

[AceManIII]

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[TheMan]

Things to consider:

- He has watched every great player in history.
- He is aware about the strengths and weaknesses of every era.
- He watched a TON of Laker games (so it's not like he was being hyped into believing it) and has seen more games than anyone else on this site.
- As far as I know, he has no agenda. Completely unbiased opinion here.
- This is John freaking Wooden. He knew more about basketball than you could ever hope. He would laugh in your face if you ever presented him with a bunch of trash stats to make your case, he understands that there is more to the game.
- Jerry "the GOAT talent evaluator" West named Kobe as the top 5 players ever right? If you are going to agree with him on everything, then why ignore this?
















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[FrenchBomb]

Wow, it is really amazing how many people love to talk about something that they really have no clue about. I know this is a very old thread, but I just could not believe the disrespect handed out to Coach John R. Wooden. This man has the .out prestigious award in college basketball named after him for a reason.

[FrenchBomb]

Before Kobe Bryant became Wooden's choice for the best player he ever seen, that honor went to MJ and before MJ it was Kareem and so on. Before I had ever heard about Wooden's comment, I had Kobe as the best I have ever seen also. I have heard and seen all of the greats play, radio, TV, in person and a library of super 8 film footage on Miken, Russell, Baylor, West, Cousy and Wilt. Before Kobe, my selection was Wilt. Wilt was the best athlete the NBA has ever had. Wilt could actually play every position on the floor damn good. Before the NBA he played with Globe Trotters where he displayed his talents at point guard, shooting guard, and not to mention, Center. If stats is your weapon of choice, Wilt should be your guy. Holds more NBA records then anyone. Held Kansas University high jump record for many years, ran the 100 yard dash like no bodies business, one hell of an outfielder in baseball. Also consider by many as not only the most dominant NBA player ever, but held the same title on the beach volleyball sand. Now I love me some MJ, but one concern I have with him, he uses Championship titles as his main focus for the best player title, so if he is correct with his bases for his selection, then Russel should have the title locked in. Now for you Stat freaks, if someone can tell me how many individual stats are on the sheet and how many non-individual stats there are and you come close to being correct, I might listen to your BS. Wooden never really paid any attention to stats, he also throughout his entire Coaching career only scouted one team before they played them and he scouted that team because Kareem had a serious eye injury and might have to sit out that game. Will continue soon on why the Black Mamba is my choice for best ever.

[warriorfan]

Before Kobe Bryant became Wooden's choice for the best player he ever seen, that honor went to MJ and before MJ it was Kareem and so on. Before I had ever heard about Wooden's comment, I had Kobe as the best I have ever seen also. I have heard and seen all of the greats play, radio, TV, in person and a library of super 8 film footage on Miken, Russell, Baylor, West, Cousy and Wilt. Before Kobe, my selection was Wilt. Wilt was the best athlete the NBA has ever had. Wilt could actually play every position on the floor damn good. Before the NBA he played with Globe Trotters where he displayed his talents at point guard, shooting guard, and not to mention, Center. If stats is your weapon of choice, Wilt should be your guy. Holds more NBA records then anyone. Held Kansas University high jump record for many years, ran the 100 yard dash like no bodies business, one hell of an outfielder in baseball. Also consider by many as not only the most dominant NBA player ever, but held the same title on the beach volleyball sand. Now I love me some MJ, but one concern I have with him, he uses Championship titles as his main focus for the best player title, so if he is correct with his bases for his selection, then Russel should have the title locked in. Now for you Stat freaks, if someone can tell me how many individual stats are on the sheet and how many non-individual stats there are and you come close to being correct, I might listen to your BS. Wooden never really paid any attention to stats, he also throughout his entire Coaching career only scouted one team before they played them and he scouted that team because Kareem had a serious eye injury and might have to sit out that game. Will continue soon on why the Black Mamba is my choice for best ever.

Eye test and stats show he is the goat. 6/6 is just icing on the cake.