Post some of your unordinary hip hop related opinions

[Bigsmoke]

ME FIRST!!

-R U Still Down is 2pac's 3rd best album
-KRS One is a legend... but i cant listen to him daily
-Kool G Rap >> Rakim and BDK
-Ghostface is top 10 easily
-Bun B is overrated
-Nas is the G.O.A.T.
-Hell Hath No Fury was ok
-Doggystyle is Dr.Dre's best work producing wise
-Aesop Rock was garbage
-Papoose been garbage since after 4th Quarter Assassin
-Liquid Swords > 36 chambers
-Jean Grae > Lauryn Hill
-DJ Premier is the greatest producer ever.
-Prodigy is still dope but his rhymes suck now

[playtetris]

breeze brewin is top 20 all time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZradKNT7SI)

[Premeditated]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage
-Easy E was hot basura
-Ice Cube is the greatest to come out West
-Jay Z actually murdered Feminem on renegade, not vice versa
-Big would eat Pac alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZgw-r_TOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZV6vm-JUc
I dare any of you to say otherwise.

[playtetris]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage
-Easy E was hot basura
-Ice Cube is the greatest to come out West
-Jay Z actually murdered Feminem on renegade, not vice versa
-Big would eat Pac alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZgw-r_TOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZV6vm-JUc
I dare any of you to say otherwise.

i actually agree with all of those

[-playmaker-]

-Lil Wayne has some good stuff and some actual talent to some degree



you can't get an more unordinary than THAT...:lol

[ace23]

Nas >>>>

Lupe is the best lyricist of all time.

Lil Wayne and Drake are pretty good.

Wale > J Cole > Meek Mill

It Was Written > RD

Elzhi is a top 15 rapper.

AZ Today > Jay-Z Today

[ace23]

-Lil Wayne has some good stuff and some actual talent to some degree



you can't get an more unordinary than THAT...:lol
Had not read this before I posted.

[ace23]

Phonte is in Top 15 best artists today

Tupac was overrated (in some aspects)

Big L >>>> Nas/Jay-Z/Biggie/Pac/Pun/etc
Come on, son.

[Legend of Josh]

i actually agree with all of those

You agree Jay Z > Eminem on Renegade.

:wtf:

[brownmamba00]

Phonte is in Top 15 best artists today

Tupac was overrated (in some aspects)

Big L >>>> Nas/Jay-Z/Biggie/Pac/Pun/etc
lol no

[Tarik One]

Hammer is one of the best live performers ever

[detroitkid816]

good thread

-jay won the battle with nas
-although I love it, a lot of 90s rap lyrics were very tangential and pointless
-most underground rap sucks. guys like mf doom and the rest are all overrated. tried to get into it but can't
-very unimpressed by guys like cannibus--dudes who use multi-syllabic words in incessant succession in order to wow their audience. they're just a bunch of thesaurus huggers in mine eyes.
-the production of a song is ten times more important than anything else
-not too inordinate, but reasonable doubt and illmatic are the greatest albums of all time, with RD grabbing the edge

[detroitkid816]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage
-Easy E was hot basura
-Ice Cube is the greatest to come out West
-Jay Z actually murdered Feminem on renegade, not vice versa
-Big would eat Pac alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZgw-r_TOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZV6vm-JUc
I dare any of you to say otherwise.
explain

[Legend of Josh]

2Pacalypse Now Pac's 2nd best album behind AEOM
Pun could have been the GOAT
Reasonable Doubt is unquestionably overrated
Nas' I Am, God Son > Stillmatic
Cypress Hill's Temple of Boom is Top 25 all-time
Biggie's Life After Death is overrated
Biggie's Ready To Die is underrated
Cam'ron is a dope emcee
9th Wonder = best new school producer
Dr. Dooom is Kool Keith's greatest album
Quality rap music is on the incline, not decline

etc...

(more to come)

[TylerOO]

explain

He doesnt actually believe that lmao. Premediated just hates whites. Em kills Jay on that


Em is the best rapper ever.
Jay-A>>>>>Jay-Z
Tyler The Creator = prodigy
Big L n Biggie are overrated as ****.
2pac is 30 times the rapper Biggie was.

[alwaysunny]

- most of prominent west coast rappers are garbage

- best lyricists are usually the ones you never heard of

- Detroit has pound for pound the best artists today

- Me Against the World is Tupac's best album

- 50 Cent is a talented rapper

- Japanese producers don't get enough credit

- Guru is overrated

- Doe or Die is almost as good as Illmatic

[Bigsmoke]

- Me Against the World is Tupac's best album


most die hard 2pac fans think that.

[Agent_Zero]

relapse is one of the better albums of the decade.
asher roth is one of the top lyricists today.
drake made his own lane and excels in it.
nottz is one of the best producers in hip-hop.
ludacris' album release therapy is one of the best of the decade. near classic.
curren$y is one of the most efficient x lyrical rappers today.

[playtetris]

You agree Jay Z > Eminem on Renegade.

:wtf:

I HATE that beat. Eminem produced it. Plus his voice and style irritates me.

All things considered, el-p is >>> eminem IMO

Oh, and regarding one of your latter points:

Kool g rap is >>> pun. Pun never had a chance to be GOAT

[Tarik One]

2Pacalypse Now Pac's 2nd best album behind AEOM
Pun could have been the GOAT
Reasonable Doubt is unquestionably overrated
Nas' I Am, God Son > Stillmatic
Cypress Hill's Temple of Boom is Top 25 all-time
Biggie's Life After Death is overrated
Biggie's Ready To Die is underrated
Cam'ron is a dope emcee
9th Wonder = best new school producer
Dr. Dooom is Kool Keith's greatest album
Quality rap music is on the incline, not decline

etc...

(more to come)

Life after death was diluted with too many average songs. The fact that he died right before its release is part of the reason why it's so highly regarded.

[Premeditated]

He doesnt actually believe that lmao. Premediated just hates whites. Em kills Jay on that


Em is the best rapper ever.
Jay-A>>>>>Jay-Z
Tyler The Creator = prodigy
Big L n Biggie are overrated as ****.
2pac is 30 times the rapper Biggie was.
wtf.

I have white classmates. How is that possible?:no:

lol @ me trying to explain that. Jay actually had better breathe controll and much more charismatic than Slim. Only reason you cats say Jay got ate is because Nas said it to spite Jay and that Em is white. If Royce would have spit all this, you cat would be like 'oh it just him being him'

also
-Drake is top 5 doing it right now
-Big Sean needs to ease down talking about "d1cks" too much
-I'd rather listen to Tinie Tempah than Pac
-Kreayshawn's "bumpin bumpin" is hot
-Kid Cudi=Nate Dogg when it comes to hooks

[alwaysunny]

most die hard 2pac fans think that.

o really..I thought it was all eyez on me?

[Legend of Josh]

There's just absolutely no way anyone could make a legitimate argument that Jay > Em on Renegade. If you think differently, you must be a die-hard Em hater. I'm not even an Em fan, in fact, much more of a Jay fan than Em fan, but come on you guys, Em on Renegade is > 99% of anything ever released in all of rap history.

[Gundress]

o really..I thought it was all eyez on me?


No, most of hard fans would think Me Against The World or All Eyez On Me or The 7 Day Theory. All of them are classic.....3 classic albums in a row....it likes you can't go wrong what you pick.

[kaiiu]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage
-Easy E was hot basura
-Ice Cube is the greatest to come out West
-Jay Z actually murdered Feminem on renegade, not vice versa
-Big would eat Pac alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZgw-r_TOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZV6vm-JUc
I dare any of you to say otherwise.
I agree with this. Eminem was just talkin some crazy shit. Jay Z was saying shit ppl can relate to.

[kaiiu]

Biggie>>>>Pac
Bone thugs>>> NWA

[Premeditated]

Biggie>>>>Pac
Bone thugs>>> NWA
5 star posting (barring Ice Cube)

[FourthTenor]

LOL, playtetris, just like in every thread such as this (post your all time favs, post your unordinary opinions etc.) only comes in to argue minor points that OTHERS have made, and carefully avoids going out on any of his OWN limbs. Similar to what deucewallaces does in threads about any discussion outside botany.

Dude makes ONE statement that breeze brewin is in the top 20, and even though that alone is near the top of retarded things people have said in this thread, anyone could chalk that up to just bein a simple "theres just somethin i like about him."

But in terms of offering a list or some things that might cause debate, dude adds nothing else of his own because he doesnt wanna get exposed if it turns out the smart people disagree with him.


This dudes whole contrived image as a "head" is such an affectation he's practically a HOLOGRAM. He's like a shell that looks like it encompasses a certain amount of space, but inside the shell there is nothing. A trojan horse. All his statements and opinions are just so, so awful. I may disagree at times with dudes like L Kizzle or LOJ but at least I can tell they have some taste and are genuine in their opinions.

This fukcin playtetris dude.... my forkin god. Everything is contrived. The most phony and lame, wannabe imitation of a b-boy. Kill yourself dude. All your opinions SUCK. You are like the kid who always gets pushed backward over the dude crouched down behind him and then laughed at.



And yes, i'll post my own thoughts on the topic in a minute here. But playtetris, go to some other forum. Music itself is diminished just by a mere association with you.

[FourthTenor]

Anyway:

In general, OutKast is boring as hell.

Biggie Smalls is easily the most overrated rapper ever. Combination of biting Raekwons don style plus the Bad Boy hype machine is what made him so big.

CNN - War Report is a top 10 album for me.

Nas sucked after Illmatic. Jay Z has always been over rated. Hearing him rhyme is like drinking kool aid with like 5 cups too much sugar.

Memphis Bleek had crazy potential. Trying to cross over and failing doomed him.

Sheek Louch is > Styles P

Common has seriously no talent.

Mystikal is the bomb

I dont care if Dre doesnt write his rhymes, his delivery is hard as ****

THe fact that anyone even likes gza blows my mind. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Necro's early stuff is some of the illest stuff out there.

[Bigsmoke]

Paris > Chuck D

[GOBB]

Going against the grain ass dude. :facepalm

[Legend of Josh]

Outkast is highly overrated
CNN - The War Report is IMO a classic (Source gave it 4 mics back in the day, obviously > 4 mics) ... IDK about Top 10 though; maybe Top 25, more like Top 50
Jay Z to a degree is overrated (based off his success alone, then some)
Common has no talent !!!! Yes! OMG so obvious.

:applause:

Memphis Bleek is doo doo
GZA is one of the all-time greats if you can find production to match his style
Dre's delivery???
Mystikal got skills but never really put them to great use

[FourthTenor]

Going against the grain ass dude. :facepalm


:lol

you're the most uncultured half-wit on the board. you literally have no knowledge of ANYTHING. all your arguments revolve around whose "team" is doing what in sports. All you're capable of in a discussion is the tired "my team vs your team!" shtick that requires absolutely no brain power.

"Eagles Rule! Clippers suck! Tony Parker better than Rondo yall!" :banana:

"umm, gobb? what are your thoughts on ben franklin?"
"dude lived in philly, HE RULES!" :pimp:

You aren't capable of intelligent discussion, all you know how to do is cheer or jeer. That's why you also love BET gossip. You're fooled by phony drama and public figures battling as villains and heroes. You're entertained by the things that are marketed toward the lowest common denomenitor which is exaclty what you are. When you try to go above and beyond that you speak in vague sentence fragments so you're able to crouch into your backtrack stance at a moments notice.

you are...... gobb :facepalm

[LilKateMoss]

Going against the grain ass dude. :facepalm
Did you expect otherwise? That's his gimmick, the right-wing, racist, against-the-grain retard. Dude is so out of touch with reality it's mind boggling, starting with his own failure of a life.

[ukplayer4]

canibus>>>> hiphop(everything and everyone that has ever happened to hip hop in its history put together)


thats pretty controversial i guess.

[TylerOO]

Canibus is fcking trash. Cant figure out why people like him.

[TylerOO]

wtf.

I have white classmates. How is that possible?:no:

lol @ me trying to explain that. Jay actually had better breathe controll and much more charismatic than Slim. Only reason you cats say Jay got ate is because Nas said it to spite Jay and that Em is white. If Royce would have spit all this, you cat would be like 'oh it just him being him'

also
-Drake is top 5 doing it right now
-Big Sean needs to ease down talking about "d1cks" too much
-I'd rather listen to Tinie Tempah than Pac
-Kreayshawn's "bumpin bumpin" is hot
-Kid Cudi=Nate Dogg when it comes to hooks

I agree.

Btw maybe Im confusing you with zay24. I know one of you guys hate whites with a passion

[JtotheIzzo]

Audio Two has 2 of the top 30 hip hop songs ever made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQh9kTpNzC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbWPyhW7fE&feature=related

[ace23]

waka flocka flame is top 5 in the game today
d. brown is greatest of all time


When have I ever trolled?

:facepalm

[PowerGlove]

Reasonable Doubt is above average, I feel like that album is immensely overrated. It's like Jay had to have a classic in his discography in order to truly cement his status as a legend or something.

Drake is way better than people give him credit for and so far gone was one of the best mixtapes/albums of 09 hands down.

Boi-1da is going to be a legendary producer.

I feel like Big L/Pun are overrated. People talking about how they could have been goat?:facepalm Come on son.

Underground rappers are usually trash and just because they arent hugely popular doesnt make them underground. There is a third distinction for rappers called indie. Stop being dumbasses, just because someone isnt signed to def jam, universal, sony/columbia, atlantic records,etc. doesnt make him underground.

[ace23]

lol what? i can't have opinions? do you know what trolling is?
You're making up opinions in order to generate a negative reaction; that's trolling.

[PowerGlove]

I'd also like to add that hip hop would be in a world of trouble without the south's emergence in the 2000's, no matter how much people like to blame them for the downturn in quality.

[irondarts]

- Cormega is GOAT.
- I love almost all of Lloyd Banks' albums and mixtapes and listen to him regularly.
- I still like Mobb Deep.
- I hate KRS-One.
- Rakim is overrated and the Seventh Seal was really bad.
- Straight Outta Cashville by Young Buck is a great album.
- Joell Ortiz is becoming one of my favorite rappers and I think he's one of the best in the game right now.

[ElKuKuy]

Brother Ali>>Em

Cee Lo's Stray Bullets>>Cee Lo's The Lady Killer

[L.Kizzle]

-Pastor Troy should have blown up
-I miss Crucial Conflict and Doe or Die
-Silkk the Shocker is not that bad
-Bay Are hip-hop > LA hip hop in the 90s
-Rick Ross is fat
-Nelly was the worse St. Lunatic.
-What happened to them dudes that did "Duffle Bag Boy," I know Titty Boy was one of them what about the other.
-What type of names is "Titty Boy" for a rapper
-Mia X is a top 3 female MC.
-Twism by Shaq went hard!!
-What happened to Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz, haha.
-I miss classic Rap Cityt with Joe Clair and the first couple years with Big Tigger

[kaiiu]

-Pastor Troy should have blown up
-I miss Crucial Conflict and Doe or Die
-Silkk the Shocker is not that bad
-Bay Are hip-hop > LA hip hop in the 90s
-Rick Ross is fat
-Nelly was the worse St. Lunatic.
-What happened to them dudes that did "Duffle Bag Boy," I know Titty Boy was one of them what about the other.
-What type of names is "Titty Boy" for a rapper
-Mia X is a top 3 female MC.
-Twism by Shaq went hard!!
-What happened to Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz, haha.
-I miss classic Rap Cityt with Joe Clair and the first couple years with Big Tigger
Really? I thought he was just born with his titties.

[L.Kizzle]

Really? I thought he was just born with his titties.
He was a fat fetus. I just added that in there to see if I get a reply.

[kaiiu]

He was a fat fetus. I just added that in there to see if I get a reply.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ace23]

those are legitimate opinions. wtf? how are you gonna tell me my opinions aren't real? what is wrong with you, what did i do?
OK

[Scholar]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage
-Easy E was hot basura
-Ice Cube is the greatest to come out West
-Jay Z actually murdered Feminem on renegade, not vice versa
-Big would eat Pac alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZgw-r_TOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZV6vm-JUc
I dare any of you to say otherwise.

Bold = agreed.
Non-bold = you're a moron.

[L.Kizzle]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-Pimp C was garbage

silly

[Scholar]

Here are some of my own opinions on hip hop:

- Eminem sounds almost the same on every song he does now, so though he might still be the most lyrical rapper to grace a mic, he's getting boring to listen to now.
- Kanye West is a decent lyricist but he seems like an annoying douchebag.
- Kobe Bryant shouldn't have ever grabbed the microphone to rap. Just embarrassing.
- Ron Artest's "Champions" song is one of the best songs released in the past few years.
- Mainstream hip hop seems to be getting worse and worse as time progresses.
- Lil Wayne is a garbage lyricist now. He just says things in order to rhyme. Whether or not they make sense makes no difference to him.
- Drake was cool when he first popped into the scene but he's overwelcomed his stay somewhat.
- WTF happened to Terror Squad? More importantly, wtf happened to Remy Ma?
- Fat Joe is still somewhat fat, even though he lost a significant amount of weight.
- I want D12 to release one last album before it's obvious Eminem no longer cares to be a part of the group.
- Big L could've been one of the GOAT had he not been killed.
- The Game is still a notable lyricist from the Westcoast. I hope he succeeds as he continues to grow musically.

[Scholar]

Also, Chamillionaire's mixtape music is better than 99.9% of the shit on the radio these days.

[ThemBombs]

Meek Mill, Mac Miller, and Big Sean are wayyyy overrated

Drake's Comeback Season was the best mixtape of 2007

Jay-Z won the Nas feud

Lupe Fiasco is better than Nas

Tyler the Creator is a freak

Give J.Cole 10 years and he will be a top 5 rapper of all-time

[kaiiu]

What did you think Triple C meant? It's his bra size
Thought it had something to do with his Police rank or sum shit

[L.Kizzle]

Meek Mill, Mac Miller, and Big Sean are wayyyy overrated

Drake's Comeback Season was the best mixtape of 2007

Jay-Z won the Nas feud

Lupe Fiasco is better than Nas

Tyler the Creator is a freak

Give J.Cole 10 years and he will be a top 5 rapper of all-time
Meek Mill sounds like Chingy

[L.Kizzle]

Another reason hip hop sucks, the same 4 or so producers get used by everyone. Those same 4 producers uses the same sounds over and over and over and over and over and over again.

[Gundress]

Another reason hip hop sucks, the same 4 or so producers get used by everyone. Those same 4 producers uses the same sounds over and over and over and over and over and over again.

and the same guest appearance.

for real..f*ck the hip-hop but still got love for 80's-90's.

[L.Kizzle]

and the same guest appearance.

for real..f*ck the hip-hop but still got love for 80's-90's.
Back than producers were creative. A certain producer might produce a song for 7 different artist, but it's each has it's own personality and you wouldn't even know they produced unless you read the booklet.

fuxk current hip hop

[Gundress]

Back than producers were creative. A certain producer might produce a song for 7 different artist, but it's each has it's own personality and you wouldn't even know they produced unless you read the booklet.

fuxk current hip hop

exactly, everyone has their own sound.

[lefthook00]

Nas is boring a lot of the time.
East coast rap is overrated.
Kanye is a top 5 producer of all time.
DJ Khaled is actually a decent producer.
Big Pun would wreck almost anyone.
Jay-Z is really overrated, but still one of my favorites.
Ice Cube(or Mac Dre) is the most underrated of all time(AZ most underrated from the East).
Rick Ross is really overrated.
Pac is the undisputed GOAT.
It's good that Drake sings.
KRS is overrated.
Bone Thugs >= Wu-Tang.

[miller-time]

Nas is boring a lot of the time.

agreed, i've never really repeat played (most of) his music. usually i will listen, say "that was pretty good" and then put something else on. i've listened to god's son and stillmatic a lot more than illmatic too.

[Jackass18]

Jay-Z sucks
Overall, '80s rap was weak
Slick Rick was annoying
Nas' song "The World Is Yours" is weak
West coast rap is overrated

[Lucifer]

Jay-Z's has like 1-3 good songs on most of his albums, rest are meh. He stuck with that formula for a decade and became a legend because he was consistent, not because he was greater then those before him. If he didn't collaborate with the hottest artists at the moment or wasn't married to Beyonce he would have fell off.

And Eminem wouldn't be taken seriously if he was black.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Tupac was great.

But imo I think he's at the status he is now because of his untimely death.

[Premeditated]

-Jay isn't ugly
-Drake is a better musician than Pac
-Underground hip hop is terrible
-you fakkits hate for your favorite indie flavor of the month to get a little bit of shine on major labels, you want them all to yourselves
-Fresh Prince of Bel Air>>>>Martin (yes, they're both hip hop)
-This Golden era is better than the original golden era

[Bigsmoke]

-Jay isn't ugly
-Drake is a better musician than Pac-Underground hip hop is terrible
-you fakkits hate for your favorite indie flavor of the month to get a little bit of shine on major labels, you want them all to yourselves
-Fresh Prince of Bel Air>>>>Martin (yes, they're both hip hop)
-This Golden era is better than the original golden era

:eek:

[lay-up]

Grandmaster Melle Mel is the most overlooked name in Hip-Hop and is the all round best MC of all time.

Rampage on PBSfm in Melbourne is the best Hip Hop radio show of all times...check it out (http://pbsfm.org.au/rampage)

[bdreason]

Biggie Smalls is vastly overrated. He was a great rapper, but I wouldn't even put him in the discussion for G.O.A.T. which many seem to do.

[guado]

i don't get the obsession with drake and wayne.

i remember wayne when he was with the hot boys and didn't think he was anything, and i still don't.

also, a lot of my peers tend to find a lot of his meteaphors ridiculously clever when i don't think they're that great, and i feel he and drake sometimes rely on said stupid metaphors too heavily.

i like kanye as a producer... i like pharrell too.

on some songs kanye has some good lyrics, but pharrell tends to be horrible throughout.

i like immortal trechnique a lot, but his gloom and doom/conspiracy theorist/negative nancy angle can get tiresome if you listen for it for too long.

sometimes i just like instrumentals better than the songs- tends to be the case for 9th wonder.

speaking of instrumentals, i can listen to nujabes all day.

i like a lot of commons older stuff... i know some of the hate here is trolling, but there's some that i think can be genuine.

there's been a few artists that i didn't know of that i saw featured on some songs, and looked u some of their other stuff and liked it, even though it wasn't hip hop. i looked up barrington levy after hearing bonnie and shyne and found a group sleepy brown recorded with called sleepys theme that i liked a lot i bought their cd for like 6 dollars

:lol

i like some stuff from game, some i despise, got tired of him starting beef with everyone, be it real or sefl promotion, but i still listen to 300 bars and running when i'm on long drives.

i'm ****ING tired of hearing waving flag. k'naan has other songs , and there are also other inspirational songs,

deltron 3030 needs another album.

i like del a lot. he's a weird dude. i like how he raps about offbeat subjects.

i like a lot of andre nickatina;s songs. a lot of them have really bad and cheesy lyrics though.

teh songs i do like though i can listen to all day, it's just a shame that a lot of his better songs are overlooked

i find it interesting to see the songs that get sampled on some songs, and sometimes you see a pattern in the songs being sampled. i noticed a lot of rap songs sampled prior r n b songs, but didn't pay much attention to it until i heard this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yEuFUqtYDo

after some research, mobb deep used teh same sample

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPzxY5Wg-g

obviously, its not the first time the same sample is used twice, i was just surprised this sample was used

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtKbxPqqcu0

a chilean band from the 70's isn't exactly a rappers first choice for samples

there was a beat that i heard in 300 bars and running that i recognized here as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzNiE3ZUHdk

i could recognize most of the other songs that were sampled were also hip hop, so i figured there was no way he was sampling blige.

then i heard dead presidents and reasonable doubt for the first time, and a garden of peace by lonnie liston smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8nN0vlUVU

sometimes there's somewhat of a background behind it - when i first heard int'l players anthem, i didn't know ugk and three six had already made players anthem, and that was a sample from "i choose you" by willy hutch which is the theme to the mack.

after a while you get an idea of how many songs are samples, which can expose you to other stuff, and i also begin to wonder how many of the producers/rappers actually listen to that kind of stuff or if they're just looking for the most discrete sample.

sometimes though, the thought never crosses your mind that certain rappers would use the samples they do

[Knicks101]

2Pac and most West Coast Rappers are terrible
Chronic 2001 sucked
Yeah Baby was pretty good
If Eminem wasn't white, nobody would give a shit about him
50 Cent could have been Top 15 all time if he wanted to be
Jay-Z deserves more credit for his consistency
I want to like him, but I can't make it through an entire Mos Def album

[LEFT4DEAD]

Mos Def, Kweli and AZ are the most underrated rappers ever
Underground of last couple of years at least = mainstream has ever been
KRS One > anybody in freestyle
Army of the Pharaohs > any mainstream group ever

[Rnbizzle]

Lupe is the GOAT lyricist
Nas is second
Lil Wayne's best album is the carter 3
Kanye West is one of the greatest musical talents of this time.
Underground rappers are overrated 90% of the time by their fans. How many times have you guys checked out new rappers who are supposedly amazing, but turn out to suck dick actually.
Slaughterhouse is the best rap group right now. and Joel Ortiz is the best rapper in Slaughterhouse.

[PGDan15]

Get Rich or Die Tryin' was as good as if not better than the majority of Pac's albums..maybe besides AEOM

Pharrell is the best producer in the new "golden age" and deserves to be mentioned with the GOAT musicians of all time.

Drake, before heavy Young Money influence, was the best in the game. (SFG)

[PullupJay]

I think Tech N9ne is the greatest rapper of all time

If eminem was black he wouldnt be as big as he is today.

i think jay z is annoying as hell

Mike Shinoda from linkin park/fort minor is a top 5 rapper

all of young jeezy and rick ross songs sound the same

Lil wayne is my favorite rappper ,talented as hell,dope lines,sounds good with autotune, and his rock album and new album are pretty good.

Pac and biggie are overrated since they died they became these figures if they were still alive theyd be good but not considerd the ultimate best by 90% of people. Compare them to The Rock and Stone Cold from wwe. If they never left would they be as big as they are today and receive loud ass pops... lol maybe nevermind...

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

southern rap killed hip hop
Wacka Flacka = POOR'S MAN DMX

[Rnbizzle]

I think Tech N9ne is the greatest rapper of all time

If eminem was black he wouldnt be as big as he is today.

i think jay z is annoying as hell

Mike Shinoda from linkin park/fort minor is a top 5 rapper

all of young jeezy and rick ross songs sound the same

Lil wayne is my favorite rappper ,talented as hell,dope lines,sounds good with autotune, and his rock album and new album are pretty good.

Pac and biggie are overrated since they died they became these figures if they were still alive theyd be good but not considerd the ultimate best by 90% of people. Compare them to The Rock and Stone Cold from wwe. If they never left would they be as big as they are today and receive loud ass pops... lol maybe nevermind...
:facepalm

[PullupJay]

:facepalm
:confusedshrug:

[TylerOO]

I think Tech N9ne is the greatest rapper of all time

If eminem was black he wouldnt be as big as he is today.

i think jay z is annoying as hell

Mike Shinoda from linkin park/fort minor is a top 5 rapper

all of young jeezy and rick ross songs sound the same

Lil wayne is my favorite rappper ,talented as hell,dope lines,sounds good with autotune, and his rock album and new album are pretty good.

Pac and biggie are overrated since they died they became these figures if they were still alive theyd be good but not considerd the ultimate best by 90% of people. Compare them to The Rock and Stone Cold from wwe. If they never left would they be as big as they are today and receive loud ass pops... lol maybe nevermind...

I cant agree with one thing on here. Worst list in thread easily.

[ace23]

Here are some of my own opinions on hip hop:

- Eminem sounds almost the same on every song he does now, so though he might still be the most lyrical rapper to grace a mic, he's getting boring to listen to now.
- Kanye West is a decent lyricist but he seems like an annoying douchebag.
- Kobe Bryant shouldn't have ever grabbed the microphone to rap. Just embarrassing.
- Ron Artest's "Champions" song is one of the best songs released in the past few years.
- Mainstream hip hop seems to be getting worse and worse as time progresses.
- Lil Wayne is a garbage lyricist now. He just says things in order to rhyme. Whether or not they make sense makes no difference to him.
- Drake was cool when he first popped into the scene but he's overwelcomed his stay somewhat.
- WTF happened to Terror Squad? More importantly, wtf happened to Remy Ma?
- Fat Joe is still somewhat fat, even though he lost a significant amount of weight.
- I want D12 to release one last album before it's obvious Eminem no longer cares to be a part of the group.
- Big L could've been one of the GOAT had he not been killed.
- The Game is still a notable lyricist from the Westcoast. I hope he succeeds as he continues to grow musically.
His verse here was better than a lot of today's artists:

2:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiMLtKIq0yA

[intrinsic]

The people who define artists by assigning a grade of classic take it too seriously, and it's had a negative impact on the music.

[ace23]

The people who define artists by assigning a grade of classic take it too seriously, and it's had a negative impact on the music.
Not sure what you mean by "grade of classic".

[intrinsic]

Not sure what you mean by "grade of classic".
surely, I can't be the only one familiar with the classic/near classic/not a classic grades for individual records. An arbitrary label that is supposed to extend beyond personal taste, or maybe that's just my interpretation.

[Rysio]

kobe >>>>>>> shaq as a rapper and a player

[Legend of Josh]

agreed, i've never really repeat played (most of) his music. usually i will listen, say "that was pretty good" and then put something else on. i've listened to god's son and stillmatic a lot more than illmatic too.

Illmatic is just timeless. The more I listen, the better it gets. No other (rap album) has that type of effect to the same extent. There's a reason why it's considered the greatest of all-time.

[Legend of Josh]

Jedi Mind Tricks doesn't get enough mention. I read one poster list 'Army of Pharaohs' ... that's pretty much it.

Their little side projects Outerspace and Sour Diesel (their most recent albums respectively) have been very high quality 'underground' sound released lately.

[Richie2k6]

- mf doom is the most creative lyricist today
- kanye actually IS a musical genius
- kool g rap is a top 5-7 all-time rapper
- krs-one and guru's lyrics aren't incredible. in fact i don't even like krs-one's music. at all.
- ready to die is just as good as illmatic
- big daddy kane would beat rakim in a battle
- canibus is under-exposed, but overrated. if i wanted to hear about ancient mythological creatures and egyptian scrolls, i'd pick up a book. give me music. when things like that aren't the topic of his music, i can get down with him tho.
- ghostface is the best rapper in the wu-tang clan
- black thought is a top 5 rapper today
- ice cube is the rawest and most hardcore rapper of all time
- 'It Aint hard to tell' is a lyrical masterpiece and one of the best lyrical songs ever written
- Shadowboxing is the best song on Liquid Swords

[Legend of Josh]

Music for Life, Can We Go Back & Josephine are the three best rap songs you never heard from the year 2006.

All can be found on the album Hi-Teknology

[Maga_1]

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Music for Life, Can We Go Back & Josephine are the three best rap songs you never heard from the year 2006.

All can be found on the album Hi-Teknology

[SayQueensbridge]

- Fabolous is a top 3 rapper right now

[FourthTenor]

The people who define artists by assigning a grade of classic take it too seriously, and it's had a negative impact on the music.

hah, there are definitely a ton of cornball dweebs out there that do that stuff.

usually the white kids with flip flops and long curly hair coming out from under hats turned sideways.

[detroitkid816]

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Music for Life, Can We Go Back & Josephine are the three best rap songs you never heard from the year 2006.

All can be found on the album Hi-Teknology

[Legend of Josh]

:applause: :applause: :applause: , specially the first two songs

Music for Life is a banger when you're just 'out back' shooting some hoops. My jumpshot is already sick enough as it is, but the right sound in my ear seems to ^ my % just a bit.

[mrpuente]

hmm

soulja boy has good beats

big krit is the best new artist

followed closely by j cole

i cant get into lupe

outkast is NOT boring

i dont like female rappers

[Maga_1]

Kobe killed this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15YamUQ9JI

The only solo song that Eminen lives up to his potential on is "I dont give a ****"

Lil Wayne is pretty damn good when he trys

50 Cent has absolutely no talent whatsoever

Wu Tang is for the children

Got a question for you, is your really name Maximino or Maximiliano? lol

[alwaysunny]

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Music for Life, Can We Go Back & Josephine are the three best rap songs you never heard from the year 2006.

All can be found on the album Hi-Teknology

[FourthTenor]

kobe >>>>>>> shaq as a rapper and a player


but not as an adulterer

[daballa13]

- Joell Ortiz is the best rapper alive, he's also easily the best out of all the members in Slaughterhouse
- Royce da 5'9 is overrated, most of his verses contain weak corny metaphors to some hollywood bullshit
- Lil Wayne is terrible and is trying to copy Eminem a lot
- Yelawolf is also very terrible

[FourthTenor]

also, saigon is pretty tight. dunno if thats real unordinary but he is.

[kaiiu]

Bizzy Bone>>> 2Pac. And he ripped his shit to shreds on Thug Luv

[daballa13]

Bizzy Bone>>> 2Pac. And he ripped his shit to shreds on Thug Luv

LMFAO all of Bizzy Bone's lyrics are stupid and make no sense what so ever and have no meaning. FAIL!

[Saintsfan1992]

Curren$Y>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your fave rapper:pimp:

[Jackass18]

Wu Tang is for the children

wut

[Jackass18]

LMFAO all of Bizzy Bone's lyrics are stupid and make no sense what so ever and have no meaning. FAIL!

You just described most of kaiiu's posts.

[Wade3]

Nas is the GOAT, nobody comes close to his catalouge,longevity and ability to rip up a track. He's also the greatest storyteller of all time ( along with Ice Cube )

Em is by far the most overrated rapper ever, his catalogue is weak compared to some of the greats and he's corny as ****

Ready to Die is the greatest rap album ever

BIG is the most talented rap artist ever, the only thing he lacks is longevitity and a bigger catalogue which gives Nas the edge

Elzhi is every bit as good as Lupe

Wayne is underrated as ****, he has one of the best mixtape catalogues ever

GRODT is a classic, ni99as need to cast there mind back to 03 and remember the buzz 50 created, shit was bananas

[Legend of Josh]

Very underrated album. This was one of my most played album during my high school days.

I just went to look up the track listing on Amaon.com and came across this:

Price: $3.86 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. Details

Might be a good time to cop the album (can't believe it's only 4 bucks?).

[Legend of Josh]

While we're still on 2006.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/f1/4e/60a5225b9da0b33eb99da010.L._AA300_.jpg

Easily, the best produced hip-hop album of 2006; and if you want my own personal opinion - the best produced hip-hop album of this century.

[Legend of Josh]

Nas is the GOAT, nobody comes close to his catalouge,longevity and ability to rip up a track. He's also the greatest storyteller of all time ( along with Ice Cube )

Em is by far the most overrated rapper ever, his catalogue is weak compared to some of the greats and he's corny as ****

Ready to Die is the greatest rap album ever

BIG is the most talented rap artist ever, the only thing he lacks is longevitity and a bigger catalogue which gives Nas the edge

Elzhi is every bit as good as Lupe

Wayne is underrated as ****, he has one of the best mixtape catalogues ever

GRODT is a classic, ni99as need to cast there mind back to 03 and remember the buzz 50 created, shit was bananas

Em is corny; I can see the overrated arguments - but in terms of spitting ability and just straight up raw skills, he's way up there. I agree, his records for the most part are lame, but if and when he wants, no one can really fukz with him.

Illmatic > Ready To Die

Not everyone will have Ready To Die in their Top 5 of all time, but to me it's Top 5, maybe even Top 3.

BIG probaby is/was the most 'talanted' ever. I still say a prime and developed Pun could have surpassed BIG and if given the time could have been the GOAT.

People are like WTF? 'but trust me on this, I'm not the only person in the universe who feels this way.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Em is corny
Post 2003 ... yea

Before that ... hell no.

He just doesn't have relevant material for songs.

[Legend of Josh]

Post 2003 ... yea

Before that ... hell no.

He just doesn't have relevant material for songs.

Hi! My name is! Corny as fu*k.

:facepalm

[Legend of Josh]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MD7MRhGxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Sadat X: Experience & Education

Another slept-on banger from the mid-00's. Am I correct in assuming almost none of you have heard this? The best way to describe Experience & Education's sound/flow, would be something like one of AZ's throw-back albums; a feel good with occasional head nodding listen.

It's best if experienced from beginning to end, but if you're only looking for a taste I'd suggest Back to New York (raw, mediocre classic), Creep, God Is Back, The Daily News. Those are pretty good IMO. I'm not saying these are going to be STRA8 FYIA!, more like some old school feel in a new school era.

[KingBeasley08]

Biggie is overrated as hell and nowhere near Pac
Nas is the greatest ever
Kanye is top ten all time (has GOAT potential)
Vanilla Ice>>>Eminem
Kid Cudi is the best to listen to when high :oldlol:
J.Cole is future of rap
Easy E is also overrated (was good at knockin women up tho :applause: )
Canibus aint even that good
Jay-Z sold his soul for riches :violin:
Ether>>Hit em Up
Drake isnt that bad
Gangsta tears = most underrated song ever
Wiz is trash

[pete's montreux]

I read this thread and don't know what to believe. Half the people are saying 2Pac is trash and pales in comparison to Biggie, the other half say Biggie doesn't sniff the talent of Pac. I guess It's too easy to say something like, "I prefer 2Pac over Biggie", instead everyone is over-the-top ridiculously extreme with their opinions, not just with these two.

"Biggie and Pac are average" Really, so if you compiled a list of every rapper ever, they'd be right smack dab in the middle?

One thing I'd like to add is that I wish Talib Kweli would quit complaining on Twitter about how hip hop sucks and do it through his music instead. Also, I don't really care about rappers anymore, I look for the production. I've slowly moved over to instrumental artists. Oddisee is the shit.

[Legend of Josh]

Biggie is overrated as hell and nowhere near Pac
Nas is the greatest ever
Kanye is top ten all time (has GOAT potential)
Vanilla Ice>>>Eminem
Kid Cudi is the best to listen to when high :oldlol:
J.Cole is future of rap
Easy E is also overrated (was good at knockin women up tho :applause: )
Canibus aint even that good
Jay-Z sold his soul for riches :violin:
Ether>>Hit em Up
Drake isnt that bad
Gangsta tears = most underrated song ever
Wiz is trash

Ether is better lyrically and musically than Hit 'Em Up, but it didn't come harder. Nas came at Jay with more symbolism and undertones with Ether, whereas Pac came with the RL in-your-face buck-you-up on wax shit. The track itself would have been light years better if just Pac spit on that bitch instead of the whack guest spots.

Canibus really isn't anything special outside of his lyricism, but his actual 'skills' aren't exactly trash either. Dude can spit.

Kanye top ten all-time as an emcee?

:facepalm

Easy E was pretty dope. He had his moments. You mentioned him being an expert at layin' the pipe to broads, but there's speculation he was an expert at takin' it up the doo-doo shoot too.

[irondarts]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MD7MRhGxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Sadat X: Experience & Education

Another slept-on banger from the mid-00's. Am I correct in assuming almost none of you have heard this? The best way to describe Experience & Education's sound/flow, would be something like one of AZ's throw-back albums; a feel good with occasional head nodding listen.

It's best if experienced from beginning to end, but if you're only looking for a taste I'd suggest Back to New York (raw, mediocre classic), Creep, God Is Back, The Daily News. Those are pretty good IMO. I'm not saying these are going to be STRA8 FYIA!, more like some old school feel in a new school era.

Pretty good album, I would have liked it more but I just cannot stand Sadat's voice.

[Jackass18]

ODB says it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-5GSjZvW8

ODB was crazy.

[Ne 1]

Ether is better lyrically and musically than Hit 'Em Up, but it didn't come harder. Nas came at Jay with more symbolism and undertones with Ether, whereas Pac came with the RL in-your-face buck-you-up on wax shit. The track itself would have been light years better if just Pac spit on that bitch instead of the whack guest spots.


Hit Em Up is so overrated to me. Nothing but Pac rambling on and throwing a temper tantrum.......FUKK YOU, FUKK YOU BAD BOY, I slept with your wife fat man, Prodigy has sickle cell anemia, WE GONNA KILL ALL YOU! blah blah blah

It wasn't even really a diss track, more of an angry rant.

[JtotheIzzo]

hip hop is evolving a lot like rock and roll did.

early hip hop artists (Kool Herc, Bambata, Flash etc..) were a lot like Little Richard and Chuck Berry were to rock. Planting the seed for future generations to grow off of.

classsic rock (starting in the late sixties and going to the mid seventies) is akin to the golden era of hip hop (mid 80s till Biggie's death). This was when the music peaked, and future generations will always bump this shit, just like kids today still bump The Beatles, The Who, Hendrix, The Grateful Dead and all the other classic rock favorites.

the bling era (or whatever the f*ck you wanna call it where rappers just talk like retards about all the jewelry they own and the girly drinks they consume) is a lot like the hair metal of the 80s (the dominant pop music of the era).
This era is highlighted by a lack of artistic integrity (as was the parallel era in rock) a focus on appearance and a general apathy from older fans. Kids loved hair metal in the eighties, but people who lived through the classic rock era thought it was pathetic. History shows they were right, just as history will not shine brightly on the same era in hip hop (though a few artists will survive the era and become legendary in the same manner GnR, U2 and Metallica did).
The heavy use of autotune today is also a parallel to rock bands experimenting with synthesizers in the 80s, and if you want to get real technical, techno music is the disco of modern times, and even though some people think techno is hot now, it really peaked in the late nineties.

what is next?

I am excited about Hip Hop soon entering its grunge era (like rock did after hair metal). Some of the new cats are gonna come out and be real grimy (think early Wu, early Treach, Jeru or Das Efx), the music will be raw and real, and hip hop is gonna have a Kurt Cobain and an Eddie Vedder rise to the top and challenge the all time legends.
I also think the downturn in the US economy over the last few years is going to provide the social conditions for people to relate to this fostering an environment that will allow it to blow up.

[Timmy D for MVP]

The Mighty Mos Def has G.O.A.T. potential if he were to just focus on rapping.

[playtetris]

The Mighty Mos Def has G.O.A.T. potential if he were to just focus on rapping.

i agree, but i'd also include singing in the statement.

also, oc is >>> big l. oc has two classics under his belt to big l's 0.

late '80s rappers would eat today's rappers for brunch

masta killa's no said date was the second best wu album released in the period 2000-2009

big boi is the second best southern rapper of all time.

common sonned cube with 'the bitch in yoo'

[detroitkid816]

hip hop is evolving a lot like rock and roll did.

early hip hop artists (Kool Herc, Bambata, Flash etc..) were a lot like Little Richard and Chuck Berry were to rock. Planting the seed for future generations to grow off of.

classsic rock (starting in the late sixties and going to the mid seventies) is akin to the golden era of hip hop (mid 80s till Biggie's death). This was when the music peaked, and future generations will always bump this shit, just like kids today still bump The Beatles, The Who, Hendrix, The Grateful Dead and all the other classic rock favorites.

the bling era (or whatever the f*ck you wanna call it where rappers just talk like retards about all the jewelry they own and the girly drinks they consume) is a lot like the hair metal of the 80s (the dominant pop music of the era).
This era is highlighted by a lack of artistic integrity (as was the parallel era in rock) a focus on appearance and a general apathy from older fans. Kids loved hair metal in the eighties, but people who lived through the classic rock era thought it was pathetic. History shows they were right, just as history will not shine brightly on the same era in hip hop (though a few artists will survive the era and become legendary in the same manner GnR, U2 and Metallica did).
The heavy use of autotune today is also a parallel to rock bands experimenting with synthesizers in the 80s, and if you want to get real technical, techno music is the disco of modern times, and even though some people think techno is hot now, it really peaked in the late nineties.

what is next?

I am excited about Hip Hop soon entering its grunge era (like rock did after hair metal). Some of the new cats are gonna come out and be real grimy (think early Wu, early Treach, Jeru or Das Efx), the music will be raw and real, and hip hop is gonna have a Kurt Cobain and an Eddie Vedder rise to the top and challenge the all time legends.
I also think the downturn in the US economy over the last few years is going to provide the social conditions for people to relate to this fostering an environment that will allow it to blow up.
cotdamn would that be beautiful...one could only imagine. but I think you're smart enough to know that that would be nothing short of a miracle if it were happen, and miracles don't occur often in hip hop anymore IMO. :violin:

[KingBeasley08]

Ether is better lyrically and musically than Hit 'Em Up, but it didn't come harder. Nas came at Jay with more symbolism and undertones with Ether, whereas Pac came with the RL in-your-face buck-you-up on wax shit. The track itself would have been light years better if just Pac spit on that bitch instead of the whack guest spots.

Canibus really isn't anything special outside of his lyricism, but his actual 'skills' aren't exactly trash either. Dude can spit.

Kanye top ten all-time as an emcee?

:facepalm

Easy E was pretty dope. He had his moments. You mentioned him being an expert at layin' the pipe to broads, but there's speculation he was an expert at takin' it up the doo-doo shoot too.
hit em up was harsher than ether but was too much shouting. wasnt pac's best diss IMO

canibus can freestyle but ppl act like he's the GOAT :facepalm
Kanyes my man :lol

[Richie2k6]

The Mighty Mos Def has G.O.A.T. potential if he were to just focus on rapping.
i approve of this post

[JtotheIzzo]

cotdamn would that be beautiful...one could only imagine. but I think you're smart enough to know that that would be nothing short of a miracle if it were happen, and miracles don't occur often in hip hop anymore IMO. :violin:


its gonna happen, there is precedence.

[ace23]

who is your number 1? and why is that unordinary?
Probably Andre 3k

[zay_24]

Outkast is overrated
Southern rap is better than east coast rap
Camron>>>big L
LAD aint no classic album
FLOCKA is good at what he does
Big Pun is the greatest mainstream lyricalist
The Massacre went hard
Jayz>>big l in the 7 minute freestyle
Ice cube is king of the west

[alwaysunny]

who is your number 1? and why is that unordinary?

I'm guessing Scarface

[KingBeasley08]

Southern rap is better than east coast rap

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9988/kobe.gif

[zay_24]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9988/kobe.gif
East coast rap is overrated fam, stop it.

Compare the regions in their primes.

Southern rap at its peak was a poor mans west coast rap at its peak, and that alone makes it>>>>>>>>>>>>east coast rap(at its peak)

East coast has the edge over midwest rap, however bone thugs is better than any east coast group.

[Jackass18]

East coast rap is overrated fam, stop it.

Compare the regions in their primes.

Southern rap at its peak was a poor mans west coast rap at its peak, and that alone makes it>>>>>>>>>>>>east coast rap(at its peak)

East coast has the edge over midwest rap, however bone thugs is better than any east coast group.

Out of all of the shitty opinions in here, yours are the shittiest.

[irondarts]

Out of all of the shitty opinions in here, yours are the shittiest.
I agree.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Hi! My name is! Corny as fu*k.

:facepalm
How is that more corny than any mainstream pop hip hop track?

I actually think the material he brought out originally was innovative.

No hip hop artists talked about stuff like that.

It's no more conry than the excessive money, cash, hoes, guns routine.

Post 2003 ... he kept the same material and THEN it was corny.

And yes MOS DEF has GOAT type potential.

Someone post the youtube video of Mos Def freestyling against Kanye and making him look super weak.

:oldlol:

[Richie2k6]

I agree.
i agree with this agreement

[detroitkid816]

i agree with this agreement
I agree with the agreement with that agreement

[Scholar]

I agree with the agreement with that agreement

I disagree with the agreement of that agreement but I do agree with the earlier agreement.

[KingBeasley08]

East coast rap is overrated fam, stop it.

Compare the regions in their primes.

Southern rap at its peak was a poor mans west coast rap at its peak, and that alone makes it>>>>>>>>>>>>east coast rap(at its peak)

East coast has the edge over midwest rap, however bone thugs is better than any east coast group.
east coast rap>>>>>>west coast rap

ill give u pac and ice cube. those guys were beast. but biggie, nas, AZ etc... as a group are much better

[playtetris]

Havoc is as good an emcee as produgy

[FourthTenor]

who is your number 1? and why is that unordinary?

bump

[Saintsfan1992]

Hahaha, no





ODB says it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-5GSjZvW8

I cant tell you how is if you want me to well to me:pimp:

[Saintsfan1992]

Curren$y >>>>> Lil wayne post 09
Lil wayne >>>>> Eminem post about ****in 03 04 ish
Eminem is over overratedLil wayne is very overrated/underrated
Method man and red man are one of the greatest duos of all time
Lil B is a decent rapper when he tries. TYBG
TYGA IS the 2nd or 3rd best on the YMCMB roster
Nas>>>>>>>>>>jay z Nas is my 2nd fave rapper
Tupac >>>>>>>>> biggie from a song stand point and a lyrical stand point
Biggie is the better technical rapper tho
Easy E is a bit ovverrated especially when he didnt even write his own shit :confusedshrug:
The J.E.T.S will be a big brand come 2012 :pimp: (rap group)

[sunsfan1357]

Can someone explain to me why people under Jay Z's wing can't seem to get over the top? With J. Cole and Electronica it seems like after signing with Roc Nation their buzz died down a lot, or maybe I'm just not in the loop.

[Jailblazers7]

Can someone explain to me why people under Jay Z's wing can't seem to get over the top? With J. Cole and Electronica it seems like after signing with Roc Nation their buzz died down a lot, or maybe I'm just not in the loop.

Because he doesn't give a **** about promotion. If he did a label album like Ross just did I bet they would get tons of hype in the mainstream.

[Saintsfan1992]

Ice Cube is/was vastly overrated

Eminem has great flow, rhyme schemes and enunciation but his lyrics are rather basic when he's not talking about crazy shit

College Dropout was Kanye's best album with Late Registration as a very very close second. Everything after Graduation sucked.

Wayne probably was the best mainstream rapper from 2005-early 2007. In 2006 he was definitely great.

Comeback Season >>>> So Far Gone

A lot of old school rappers are overrated as far as rapping ability, but some of their songs were still listenable. I could listen to "Rapper's Delight" any day

"N!GGER" was Nas' best album. His beat selection is pedestrian though

The South didn't kill music. NY rappers couldn't make any hot artists when the South started coming up

T.I. has really dropped off. KING was his best work

Little Brother was very underrated. And The Listening is one of the best albums of the last decade. The Minstrel Show was good too but The Listening just felt more soulful and raw. The Minstrel Show, although more commercial and Phonte was at his best (imo), I just listen to The Listening more. Their mixtapes are all great too. Better than most people's albums.

J. Cole is overrated as a lyricist. He has cool subject matter and makes good songs but his similes, punchlines, wordplay, rhyme schemes, cadences are basic. His flow is above average though.

Mac Miller is hot ga-bage

Waka Flocka sucks lyrically, but his songs are fun. And his ad-libs >>> anyone else's

Big L > Pac as a rapper, but Pac > Big L as a music artist. Big L could make better verses but couldn't make better songs

Charles Hamilton isn't noticed enough

Royce Da 5'9'' "Bar Exam 2" is better than any mixtape any other member of Slaughterhouse has ever done

Drama is an overrated DJ

Jean Grae and Remy Ma > Nicki Minaj

KRS-One is overrated

Chamillionaire is one of the best freestylers. And his mixtapes are incredible.

Fabolous can rip anyone else in the mainstream right now

J. Cole's album won't outsell any of Young Money's Big 3 (Drake, Nicki, Wayne)


Your jus stating facts :pimp:

but I think rick ross got waka on adlibs

at least by a little

but that ****in bow bow bow bow is great....

[Saintsfan1992]

Jay-Z is a horrible promoter. He is good at putting himself on, but he can't/won't do it for others.

That's why Wale went to Maybach Music. You may not like Rick Ross or his music but best believe he will give you more promo than Jay will.

Look at all the talent Jay had at Roc-A-Fella. He did NOTHING with them. The only one that really blew up was Kanye but he was already established as a producer. Beanie was about to get big before he got locked up and Jay abandoned him. He just uses people.

That was Beanie's own fault for gettin locked up he stay in jail I wouldn't put no money in that ***** neither tho..:pimp:

[Saintsfan1992]

Yeah that is his fault. But Jay didn't even f*ck with him at all throughout the whole ordeal. I mean that's supposed to be yo n!gga how are not gonna even visit him or write him at least once?

I feel ya, but all ****** aint made from the same cloth

[Fatal9]

nas' demo tape > any album tupac ever put out

[playtetris]

bump

3 stacks. it's not an ordinary opinion because a lot of people consider scarface, cee-lo, killer mike and even dudes like wayne, ti and luda to be better than big boi.

[Richie2k6]

Curren$y >>>>> Lil wayne post 09
Lil wayne >>>>> Eminem post about ****in 03 04 ish
Eminem is over overratedLil wayne is very overrated/underrated
Method man and red man are one of the greatest duos of all time
Lil B is a decent rapper when he tries. TYBG
TYGA IS the 2nd or 3rd best on the YMCMB roster
Nas>>>>>>>>>>jay z Nas is my 2nd fave rapper
Tupac >>>>>>>>> biggie from a song stand point and a lyrical stand point
Biggie is the better technical rapper tho
Easy E is a bit ovverrated especially when he didnt even write his own shit :confusedshrug:
The J.E.T.S will be a big brand come 2012 :pimp: (rap group)
:facepalm

[irondarts]

Havoc is as good an emcee as produgy
Agree. Havoc is a great emcee.

[artex]

Outkast is overrated
Southern rap is better than east coast rap
Camron>>>big L
LAD aint no classic album
FLOCKA is good at what he does
Big Pun is the greatest mainstream lyricalist
The Massacre went hard
Jayz>>big l in the 7 minute freestyle
Ice cube is king of the west

:facepalm

L was definitely the dopest emcee in children of the corn

[Done_And_Done]

This is a brief construction - I'll impart more "unordinary opinions" when I've got some free time on my hands...

* Phonte has been my favorite artist since the release of Connected. His range as a lyricist + vocalist + song writer all contribute to him being one of the most talented musicians amongst his peers. Although I can't front - I do feel that his Foreign Exchange material is gradually getting worse and worse but could easily be saved if he spit a little more...

* Elzhi is a top 15 MC in the game and is always undeservingly slept on by the masses but anyone who knows Elzhi, knows Elzhi if you know what I mean...

* The hip hop game as a whole is in a much better place then it was a half decade ago and unless your from the dirty, I don't comprehend how you can feel otherwise...

* J. Cole is extremely impressive to me. He's the first up & coming young mainstream artist that I've I've really felt in quite some time. 2 things I've noticed with Cole. You can detect the 2pac influence in his content and style. And its also very apparent that this kid has a passion for his craft and respects it...

* Joe Budden is a basketcase but a beast on the mic. Same could be said for the rest of Slaughterhouse. They may never push a million units, but their lyrical content will never go unnoticed

Done &
Done - for now

[brownmamba00]

This is a brief construction - I'll impart more "unordinary opinions" when I've got some free time on my hands...


* Elzhi is a top 15 MC in the game and is always undeservingly slept on by the masses but anyone who knows Elzhi, knows Elzhi if you know what I mean...


* J. Cole is extremely impressive to me. He's the first up & coming young mainstream artist that I've I've really felt in quite some time. 2 things I've noticed with Cole. You can detect the 2pac influence in his content and style. And its also very apparent that this kid has a passion for his craft and respects it...


Done &
Done - for now

I totally agree with this

[emsteez forreal]

dr. dre is overrated.

[Lamar Doom]

Low End Theory and Stakes is High are better than Illmatic

Pharcyde is the best thing in hip hop to come out of Cali

Busta Rhymes is an excellent featured artist but can't carry an album

Rakim doesn't have much personality

Arrested Development played out the afrocentric movement

[sunsfan1357]

Outkast is overrated
Southern rap is better than east coast rap

In one instance you say a pairing of two of the best MC's from the South is overrated and in the next you say the South is better than the East. You must have a terribly low opinion on east coast rap.

[Saintsfan1992]

:facepalm

Against all odds
Brenda had a baby
Hail Mary

Lyrical-Expressing deep personal emotion or observations

So you gonna tell me Biggie can do this better than pac

Biggie was good but he mostly rapped about a fabricated drug life
and the flashey life when he got big .. :pimp:

[playtetris]

madlib is a top 10 producer of all time, and boasts a better catalogue than kanye and just blaze. Easily.

Dr dre is overrated as all hell.

Krs one is good, but too didactic to listen to for an album.

Kweli used to have a really ill voice (circa reflection eternal).

J Cole is boring

[The-Legend-24]

Ice Cube is/was vastly overrated

Eminem has great flow, rhyme schemes and enunciation but his lyrics are rather basic when he's not talking about crazy shit

College Dropout was Kanye's best album with Late Registration as a very very close second. Everything after Graduation sucked.

Wayne probably was the best mainstream rapper from 2005-early 2007. In 2006 he was definitely great.

Comeback Season >>>> So Far Gone

A lot of old school rappers are overrated as far as rapping ability, but some of their songs were still listenable. I could listen to "Rapper's Delight" any day

"N!GGER" was Nas' best album. His beat selection is pedestrian though

The South didn't kill music. NY rappers couldn't make any hot artists when the South started coming up

T.I. has really dropped off. KING was his best work

Little Brother was very underrated. And The Listening is one of the best albums of the last decade. The Minstrel Show was good too but The Listening just felt more soulful and raw. The Minstrel Show, although more commercial and Phonte was at his best (imo), I just listen to The Listening more. Their mixtapes are all great too. Better than most people's albums.

J. Cole is overrated as a lyricist. He has cool subject matter and makes good songs but his similes, punchlines, wordplay, rhyme schemes, cadences are basic. His flow is above average though.

Mac Miller is hot ga-bage

Waka Flocka sucks lyrically, but his songs are fun. And his ad-libs >>> anyone else's

Big L > Pac as a rapper, but Pac > Big L as a music artist. Big L could make better verses but couldn't make better songs

Charles Hamilton isn't noticed enough

Royce Da 5'9'' "Bar Exam 2" is better than any mixtape any other member of Slaughterhouse has ever done

Drama is an overrated DJ

Jean Grae and Remy Ma > Nicki Minaj

KRS-One is overrated

Chamillionaire is one of the best freestylers. And his mixtapes are incredible.

Fabolous can rip anyone else in the mainstream right now

J. Cole's album won't outsell any of Young Money's Big 3 (Drake, Nicki, Wayne)
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/situation-omg.gif

[Premeditated]

Kanye West makes better production than Dr Dre. And the only reason Detox hasn't come out yet is because he knows he doesn't have it in him to make his music adapt to this current Era. Meanwhile Kanye's sound can range from 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s. Kanye is more talented.

[Richie2k6]

Against all odds
Brenda had a baby
Hail Mary

Lyrical-Expressing deep personal emotion or observations

So you gonna tell me Biggie can do this better than pac

Biggie was good but he mostly rapped about a fabricated drug life
and the flashey life when he got big .. :pimp:
so then explain to me how a "song standpoint" and a "lyrical standpoint" are different?

[playtetris]

:rockon:

MY N!GGA!!!

I see someone else is a big Phonte fan. Can't wait for his solo album this year.

And I agree, Leave It All Behind and Connected were better than Authenticity.

Dude should stick to rapping. I like his hooks as much as the next guy, but he's one of the best spitters in the game.

[Rasheed1]

Audio Two has 2 of the top 30 hip hop songs ever made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQh9kTpNzC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbWPyhW7fE&feature=related


Top Billin is that old school sh*t:applause:

[Saintsfan1992]

so then explain to me how a "song standpoint" and a "lyrical standpoint" are different?

Tupac is a better artist than biggie.

Biggie is a better MC from a Technical stand point Biggie is a better rapper
but from a emotion Poetic stand point Tupac is better than biggie.

[Done_And_Done]

:rockon:

MY N!GGA!!!

I see someone else is a big Phonte fan. Can't wait for his solo album this year.

And I agree, Leave It All Behind and Connected were better than Authenticity.


Oh no doubt brother...
With his dexterous flow, Phonte just represents and exudes everything I've ever loved about the game of hip hop. IMMA BIG FAN of his...

Tetris - Much as I eluded to earlier, although I'm appreciative of his ability as a vocalist, Phonte's best work as a musician will always derive from what he delivers as an MC. BUT with that said, I think he really tries to use his Foreign Exchange projects as a platform to show his lengthy range as an artist. Much like Rad said, I wouldn't expect his solo album to be so eclectic or soulful or R & B'ish...

Either way, the dude is beyond dope...

[KingBeasley08]

"N!GGER" was Nas' best album. His beat selection is pedestrian though


no way haha

[KingBeasley08]

Just gonna add a few

East Coast Rap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rest
Nas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other rapper
Ether>>>>>>>>>>>>Takeover

AZ>>Ice Cube

[SpaceCityHakeem]

all mane, I gonna all over this thread

-2Pac was nothing but nursery rhymes
-Pimp C was garbage


U obviously havent listened to any pre all eyez on me Pac, and must be a ****** who cant relate to the trill shit pimp c spits.

[SpaceCityHakeem]

- most of prominent west coast rappers are garbage

- best lyricists are usually the ones you never heard of

- Detroit has pound for pound the best artists today

- Me Against the World is Tupac's best album



Agree with these for the most part. Royce, Danny Brown, Black Milk, Elzhi are all dope as ****.

[SpaceCityHakeem]

-
- kool g rap is a top 5-7 all-time rapper
- ready to die is just as good as illmatic
- black thought is a top 5 rapper today
- 'It Aint hard to tell' is a lyrical masterpiece and one of the best lyrical songs ever written
- Shadowboxing is the best song on Liquid Swords

I can get down with these. K-Rino is lyrically a much better emcee than Canibus, been rapping with that style way before Bis picked up a mic.

[Done_And_Done]

****** In MY opinion, Canbius verse in his collaboration with the Lost Boyz on the track "Beast From the East" is a top 5 verse ever written and recorded by any Mc. He literally KILLS KILLS KILLS it and if haven't heard it yet, then you need to because its a verbal massacre of the mic he's spitting in front.

F*uck it... I take that back... It's no even an opinion... Its a mother f*ucking fact

And for the record this isn't one of his pieces where it sounds as though he's a singing thesaurus

[Vragrant]

- Cormega is GOAT.

- Rakim is overrated and the Seventh Seal was really bad.
.

No Rakim?

Then theres no Nas/Raekwon/Ghostface/Jay Z/Eminem etc.

Eminem said Rakim is the reason he even started to rhyme, ditto Raekwon. Rakim is basically the father of all the greatest rappers in history.

No rappers constructed rhymes as intricate and detailed as Rakim until he started doing it.

Hell I know its your opinion, i'm just sayin.......

[Ne 1]

Tupac is a better artist than biggie.

Biggie is a better MC from a Technical stand point Biggie is a better rapper
but from a emotion Poetic stand point Tupac is better than biggie.

Biggie is defiantly a better MC/Lyricist (in terms of what people consider traditional Hip Hop) while Pac is the better artist.

[Richie2k6]

tell Biggie and Pac to pick up a mic and spit something wild and raw, and Pac isn't touching Big. tell them to pick up a pen and write an amazing song, and it could go either way.. more so leaning towards Pac.

biggie = better rapper
2pac = better musician

[alwaysunny]

tell Biggie and Pac to pick up a mic and spit something wild and raw, and Pac isn't touching Big. tell them to pick up a pen and write an amazing song, and it could go either way.. more so leaning towards Pac.

biggie = better rapper
2pac = better musician

How is Pac a better musician? Can he play any instruments?

[Done_And_Done]

Yeah man he almost never disappoints. Like 90% of the music on my ipod is something from him, LB or FE.

And you're right, he does do the Foreign Exchange stuff to show his versatility. But also, I think it has to do with a shift he's had in what he wants to do as far as music. In "Tigallo For Dolo" he did talk a little bit about wanting to sing more than rap. I also think that's why LIAB and Authenticity are so different from Connected

Which totally sucks a fat one because I felt Connected was a phenomenal album from top to bottom and although I have enjoyed the follow up albums, I don't feel that either of them have measured up to what him and Nocolay did on the first...

So what's good with this solo project he's working on? Is there a set timeline when its dropping?

[KingBeasley08]

What? His beat selection? Or N!GGER (Untitled) being his best album?
Niggah being his best album

Illmatic

[JerrySteakhouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKsVSBhSwJg

[Richie2k6]

he most likely meant better rap artist.
yup

[kaiiu]

put 2Pac on a song with any legit artist and watch him get his shit murdered

[ace23]

he most likely meant better rap artist.
So Pac is the better rap artist, but Biggie is the better rapper.

:confusedshrug:

[donald_trump]

nicki minaj had the best verse on kanye's 'monster' track. yep, better than jay and kanye. easily too.

[Done_And_Done]

Yeah Connected was a real classic. It had that summer vibe to it. Just somethin you could listen to on a sunny day with nothin to do.

His solo album is called "Charity Starts At Home" and is dropping on September 13th, ironically the same date that The Minstrel Show dropped. It's supposedly gonna have like 5 tracks produced by 9th Wonder too

DOPE!

Nice to see that the two of em have patched up their differences because nobody complimented Phontes style better then 9th Wonder. I'm marking September 13th down on my calendar effective immediately...

[ace23]

he's saying that he acknowledges the skill and craft of biggie's raps but he likes pac's music better.
Not sure how you got that out of his posts but OK.

[L.Kizzle]

5 years later, this is the only Hip-Hop opinion that needs be seen.

-MAIN STREAM HIP-HOP IS TERRIBLE. YOU CAN'T EVEN TAKE IT SERIOUS ANYMORE.

[LootOP]

all i care to post is that witchdoctor's SWAT ritual healing is one of the most underrated albums around.

[ILLsmak]

Redman is the GOAT, really.

He still tears up the new school shit like nobody else does. He's got the most sustained energy, like 25+ years of doing new different shit.

Edit: but Sean Price is a monster, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDfExECG3mU

That whole mic tyson shit was good. Crazy he didn't get paid off of all of the good shit he made. Nobody can match sound line for line like he can.


-Smak

[FKAri]

A lot of these aren't really "unordinary" opinons. They're differences of opinion between old school and new school or underground and commercial. Mine might not be either.

I don't like this new wave of emo hip hop. I have no issue with someone spilling their heart out but not when it's whiny.

[Norcaliblunt]

Bad n Fluenz was the best Bay Area rap album of all time, and Rappin Ron had the potential to be the west's greatest MC ever.

Kid Rock actually has some jams. Lol.

Sublime is the greatest band to incorporate both hip hop and rock. They used samples as good if not better than anyone in hip hop ever has.

E40 > Biggie

Ice T is up there with legends like Rakim, KRS, KGR, BDK.


Kool Moe Dee is the east's most underrated.

[NumberSix]

Nas = the rapper that dumb people THINK sounds smart and by extension think it makes them look smart to have the brilliance to recognize how smart they think he is, although he actually isn't very smart at all.

And y'all buy the shit, caught up in the hype
Cause the ***** wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Don't get me wrong, I like Nas. He's a good rapper and I like his first 3 albums, but there's a certain kind of person who thinks it signals to everyone else how "smart" they are by sucking this guys d*ck.

These kind of Nas "fans" are like pretentious yuppies at a modern art exhibit who talk about how "deep", "brave" or "insightful" something is only to find out that it's actually just something that somebody spilled on the floor that hasn't been cleaned up yet. People who don't actually have a clue and just say what they think they're "supposed" to say or what they think will make them sound impressive.

[Bigsmoke]

ME FIRST!!

-R U Still Down is 2pac's 3rd best album
-KRS One is a legend... but i cant listen to him daily
-Kool G Rap >> Rakim and BDK
-Ghostface is top 10 easily
-Bun B is overrated
-Nas is the G.O.A.T.
-Hell Hath No Fury was ok
-Doggystyle is Dr.Dre's best work producing wise
-Aesop Rock was garbage
-Papoose been garbage since after 4th Quarter Assassin
-Liquid Swords > 36 chambers
-Jean Grae > Lauryn Hill
-DJ Premier is the greatest producer ever.
-Prodigy is still dope but his rhymes suck now

my taste changed a bit :oldlol:

I actually listen to Aesop Rock now and I think Rakim > KGR