Kobe's Signature Fadeaway - Most Unguardable Period.

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5o2PK76hs

Peak Prime Kobe fade-away was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Too bad he had to waste it with smush parker, kwame brown, luke walton and a bunch of d-leaguers... :facepalm

[Miserio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5o2PK76hs

Peak Prime Kobe fade-away was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Too bad he had to waste it with smush parker and kwame brown and a bunch of d-leaguers... :facepalm
http://www.actlikeaman.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nba_g_mjordan_400-729684.jpg

[catch24]

How can this video have 66 dislikes?

[Theoo's Daddy]

http://www.actlikeaman.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nba_g_mjordan_400-729684.jpg

Greatest fadeway i've ever seen :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rysio]

How can this video have 66 dislikes?
all lebron's accounts

[pete's montreux]

How can this video have 66 dislikes?

check again

[Bladers]

http://www.actlikeaman.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nba_g_mjordan_400-729684.jpg

Jordan can only pull his shit on one defender and okay contest...

Kobe did his on multiple defenders, on unbelieveable contest, with range.
He wasn't limited to the midrange. He faded from the 3pt line and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related

That's what unstoppable looks like my friend.

[catch24]

check again

:roll:

[d.bball.guy]

I'll go copy this move, lol. When I shoot socks, I shoot like Kobe but when I shoot basketballs, I shoot like Marion.:(

[Loneshot]

all lebron's accounts

More like Wade. We know how sensitive he is about being overlooked in the media:cry:

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLhdgHJRwc

Jordan wished he could do this!

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Jordan can only pull his shit on one defender and okay contest...

Kobe did his on multiple defenders, on unbelieveable contest, with range.
He wasn't limited to the midrange. He faded from the 3pt line and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related

That's what unstoppable looks like my friend.

Thats because Jordan wasnt stupid or selfish enough to take a fadaway while beeing triple-teamed.:facepalm

[ProfessorMurder]

check again

check again

[Bladers]

Thats because Jordan wasnt stupid or selfish enough to take a fadaway while beeing triple-teamed.:facepalm

Maybe that's because he couldn't. I hope I didn't upset you? http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/icon_uhoh.gif

[Rysio]

Thats because Jordan wasnt selfish enough to take a fadaway while beeing triple-teamed.:facepalm
:roll:

[catch24]

check again

Vicious haters!

[ProfessorMurder]

Vicious haters!
:lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

Maybe that's because he couldn't. I hope I didn't upset you? http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/icon_uhoh.gif

:oldlol:

[kaiiu]

Kobe mastered the fadeaway. Jordon copied him.

[Bladers]

Prime (Peak) Kobe Fadeaway > Prime (Peak) Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PFBhUvcNec

Please, I dare you to try to show me otherwise. :sleeping

[Ne 1]

Thats because Jordan wasnt stupid or selfish

- Jordan
- Wasn't Selfish

Choose one.

[LA_Showtime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLhdgHJRwc

Jordan wished he could do this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzngEVuwJLg&feature=related

LeBron can. I like how he says "projectory." :oldlol:

[schyza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5o2PK76hs

Peak Prime Kobe fade-away was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Too bad he had to waste it with smush parker, kwame brown, luke walton and a bunch of d-leaguers... :facepalm


Got to disagree here and I

[d.bball.guy]

[QUOTE=schyza]Got to disagree here and I

[cteach111]

Kobe's fadeaway is like KAJ skyhook

[gengiskhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5o2PK76hs

Peak Prime Kobe fade-away was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Too bad he had to waste it with smush parker, kwame brown, luke walton and a bunch of d-leaguers... :facepalm

"Looks" unguardable.

BUT

"definitely" guardable had the handcheck & physical contact allowed.

MJ is the only one in the history of the NBA to have "deadly" unguardable fadeaway/fallaways from both side of the court from both left & right shoulders in traffic. with hands, forearms, elbows & physical abuse on his body on consistent basis btw 1989-1998.

kobe's is too pre-meditated. MJs was much more instinctive & natural.

ex: 1992, 1993 knicks bulls series
ex: 1998 pacers series, 1997,1998 jazz finals

Kobe cannot be touched cuz of the rules which makes him look pretty & finessed. in reality, Its the poor defensive rules on him thats helping him go to the core. MJ had to use his non shooting left hand to get rid the of the handcheck first before even shooting the fade away.

MJ was physically abused on post-up moves by dumars, starks, russell, payton, Drexler the whole knicks gang, heat gang.

Still amazing the lift & "rocking chair" conformation MJ gets at peak to shoot that fadeaway. Kobe is 50% close to MJ. a cheaper immitation with relaxed rules at most still a great looking fadeaway no doubt.

[blablabla]

wow kobe can't be better than jordan in one thing come on 90percent of these guys whos said that jordans fadeaway was better have never watched him
idiots
jordan is the better basketball player but kobes fadeaway is one of the most unstoppable shots ever get over it

[asdf1990]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJQ1lAaAsE

and this was when he was 40.. ****ing legend and the GOAT.

[Bladers]

You guys are right, I'm an idiot. Jordan's fade away was miles better.

Oh wait...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWk9wFDTIMw

[kaiiu]

comparing MJ fadeaway to Kobes is like comparing Tony Allens fadeaway to Kobes.

[Ne 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJQ1lAaAsE

and this was when he was 40.. ****ing legend and the GOAT.

Legend, not GOAT though.

[Kyle_korver]

dirks fadeaway says STFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFYxLN5yvwg

[kkling]

I'd have to go with Dirk.

[Yung D-Will]

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/05/dirk-nowitzki-fadeaway.jpg

[Rysio]

GOAT shot. no one even comes close.

[Haymaker]

Dirk says hello.

[Ne 1]

GOAT shot. no one even comes close.

http://www.coachlikeapro.com/images/game_pics/jabbar.jpg

[blablabla]

http://www.coachlikeapro.com/images/game_pics/jabbar.jpg
http://sportsmaven.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/dwight-howard-sticker-at-2007-all-star-weekend-2-17-07.jpg

[kentatm]

how can it be the most unguardable shot ever when its not even the most ungaurdable fadeaway in his era?

Dirk's fadeaway > than Kobe

hell, it wasn't even the most unguardable move on his own team.

Those prime Shaq spin and dunk moves often couldn't even be stopped by hard fouls.

[Bladers]

Dirk says hello.

Watch this Dirk fadeaway three against the LAKER, wow you were right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GJHhdl9kc

Oh Wait...

What about this against the raptors? Dirk fadeaway has not range limit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4xXGdY0XA

Oh NOES, its not Dirk its kobe! :rolleyes:

[Fatal9]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ufa9nm.jpg

[pete's montreux]

http://sportsmaven.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/dwight-howard-sticker-at-2007-all-star-weekend-2-17-07.jpg

I don't understand this picture in response to the sky-hook. It makes no sense.

[Odinn]

Sky Hook says hello to you all.:cheers: :lol :bowdown:

[blablabla]

I don't understand this picture in response to the sky-hook. It makes no sense.
he was talking about the most unstoppable shot in basketball he thinks its the sky hook i think its the dunk

[Samurai Swoosh]

Legend, not GOAT though.
Black Mamba - Legend
His Airness - GOAT
King James - Panocha

[Ne 1]

Black Mamba - Legend
His Airness - GOAT
King James - Panocha

To me GOAT is either Kareem or MJ. Really a matter of personal preference....

[Samurai Swoosh]

To me GOAT is either Kareem or MJ. Really a matter of personal preference....
You can say that ... so both are co GOATs. GOAT big man, GOAT permiter player. But Kareem wasn't the "man" on all of his teams that he won rings with ... Jordan was. So the edge is in his favor. Black Mamba is def. a living legend, though. Def a top five basketball player that I have seen in my lifetime.

[thejumpa]

The shot is pretty filthy. I copped the Crazy 8's, watched all the youtube videos, and still can't do it. Even call myself the Mocha Mamba. Bricks...everytime.

[Samurai Swoosh]

The shot is pretty filthy. I copped the Crazy 8's, watched all the youtube videos, and still can't do it. Even call myself the Mocha Mamba. Bricks...everytime.
:facepalm

Fail

lol, j/p

Stick to your Rondo esque game, big pimpin

:pimp:

[pete's montreux]

he was talking about the most unstoppable shot in basketball he thinks its the sky hook i think its the dunk

Oh. OK. Sorry I thought you were trying to say that Dwight would've stopped the sky-hook or something and then you used a picture from his dunk contest. My bad. :lol

[thejumpa]

:facepalm

Fail

lol, j/p

Stick to your Rondo esque game, big pimpin

:pimp:

Aint gonna lie, I have a ghost jumper. Looks unstoppable shooting around...gets ghost come time to ball:oldlol:

But get me in the post and I'll bang with you. See me on a fastbreak and it's goin down:pimp:

Really though...I studied Kobes game a lot over the years. Watched a lot of vids and followed his career since '96. Dude has some of the sickest shots I've EVER seen..by ANY player. I hope he plays till 40. Wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Aint gonna lie, I have a ghost jumper. Looks unstoppable shooting around...gets ghost come time to ball:oldlol:
I'm the opposite. I'm a show pony. I don't care at all when I'm shooting around. But come game time I get super focused on the jumpers.

Man, we need to play. Shame you live in homo ass Seattle.

:facepalm

[Haymaker]

I thought this was a discussion about fadeaways only.

[thejumpa]

I'm the opposite. I'm a show pony. I don't care at all when I'm shooting around. But come game time I get super focused on the jumpers.

Man, we need to play. Shame you live in homo ass Seattle.

:facepalm

allegiantair.com------cheap flights homie:D

Oh, and the trophy is "Homo ass Seattle" soooo 206 wid it:rockon:

[rodman91]

Kobe's signature (?) Fadeaway = poor copy of Jordan's signature Fadeaway.
http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1977433/jordan-fadeaway-kobe-o.gif

[andgar923]

So what sort of information/thread came out today that caused this sort or knee jerk insecure reaction from Kobe stans this time?

A. Kareem's skyhook and Shaq's dunk are the most unguardable moves in history.

B. MJ's fadeaway is>>>> than Kobe's, and here's why:

Efficiency. MJ's was more efficient plain and simple.

Why was MJ's more efficient? because it was better.

Why was it better? he created better separation, read the defense and reacted much quicker, which is why MJ didn't force as many bad shots. For every shot that we see Kobe hit over a defender, he's missed more than twice. But of course, we only see the made shots (just like with his game winners).

Shit.... MJ's fadeaway was so much better, that it was still his go to move as a Wizard. He could get that shot off against anybody even at 40 years old. Still got separation, still hit tough shots when contested.

Shit (pt 2).... the vast majority of MJ's shots during his 2nd 3peat were fadeaways, and even more so as a Wizard. And this was at an older stage of his career. Kobe has always had a harder time creating separation from his defender.

How was MJ able to create space and be more efficient?
He was a better athlete, had better balance and footwork. You know that footwork that Kobe was working on with Hakeem? well... Mj's basically had that shit since he was a rookie, and he only perfected it throughout the years. MJ's naturally stronger and has better balance (also a result of footwork) this allows for better body control and more 'lean' on his fadeaway. One needs to be strong in order to lean back (ie get separation) the way MJ did and stay in control. And perhaps his biggest asset was his bigger hands. MJ's hands allowed him even more control and balance then Kobe.

So....

Stronger, bigger hands= more control & better balance which in effect equates to more consistency. More consistency = better fadeaway.

I'll even take Wizards MJ's fadeaway>>>>> 90% of Kobe's

That's how much better MJ's was.

Hell... I haven't even got into MJ's ability to hang in the air longer, because it really wouldn't be fair.

Kobe NEEDS to take shots with hands in his face because well... he kinda has to. MJ didn't, and if he did, he delivered just as well.

[DirtySanchez]

Honestly Kobe's fade away IS the best I have ever seen. He developed it earlier in his career before Mike did. So for a 2 Guard in my opinion Kobe has the best fade away ever. The one thing he has over Mike.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Honestly Kobe's fade away IS the best I have ever seen. He developed it earlier in his career before Mike did. So for a 2 Guard in my opinion Kobe has the best fade away ever. The one thing he has over Mike.
No, the one thing he has over MJ is his maverick mentality with the jumper. Meaning he's willing to gun it from way the hell out behind the three point line. I also might say Kobe has a slightly better handle (pre finger injuries) ...

Not that Jordan couldn't handle the rock really well, cause he could ... but I think Kobe had more versatility to his dribble game. But then again he has to ... because even though Kobe has had a quick first step for a long time. It pales in comparison to Jordans.

[andgar923]

Honestly Kobe's fade away IS the best I have ever seen. He developed it earlier in his career before Mike did. So for a 2 Guard in my opinion Kobe has the best fade away ever. The one thing he has over Mike.

MJ had the fadeaway since he was in UNC.

[DirtySanchez]

No, the one thing he has over MJ is his maverick mentality with the jumper. Meaning he's willing to gun it from way the hell out behind the three point line. I also might say Kobe has a slightly better handle (pre finger injuries) ...

Not that Jordan couldn't handle the rock really well, cause he could ... but I think Kobe had more versatility to his dribble game. But then again he has to ... because even though Kobe has had a quick first step for a long time. It pales in comparison to Jordans.

Jordan has a better shot selection then Kobe but still I'll take Kobe's fade away any day. Jordan did not develop that until he lost his step. Kobe has had it for a longtime in his career.

I might add foot work as well for Kobe. Everything else is MJ.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Jordan has a better shot selection then Kobe but still I'll take Kobe's fade away any day. Jordan did not develop that until he lost his step. Kobe has had it for a longtime in his career.
Wrong, again.

Jordan just used it more in his 2nd stint with the Bulls.

Jordan had a post game and a fadeaway dating back to '88 or '89.


I might add foot work as well for Kobe. Everything else is MJ.
:facepalm

[BEAST Griffin]

So what sort of information/thread came out today that caused this sort or knee jerk insecure reaction from Kobe stans this time?

A. Kareem's skyhook and Shaq's dunk are the most unguardable moves in history.

B. MJ's fadeaway is>>>> than Kobe's, and here's why:

Efficiency. MJ's was more efficient plain and simple.

Why was MJ's more efficient? because it was better.

Why was it better? he created better separation, read the defense and reacted much quicker, which is why MJ didn't force as many bad shots. For every shot that we see Kobe hit over a defender, he's missed more than twice. But of course, we only see the made shots (just like with his game winners).

Shit.... MJ's fadeaway was so much better, that it was still his go to move as a Wizard. He could get that shot off against anybody even at 40 years old. Still got separation, still hit tough shots when contested.

Shit (pt 2).... the vast majority of MJ's shots during his 2nd 3peat were fadeaways, and even more so as a Wizard. And this was at an older stage of his career. Kobe has always had a harder time creating separation from his defender.

How was MJ able to create space and be more efficient?
He was a better athlete, had better balance and footwork. You know that footwork that Kobe was working on with Hakeem? well... Mj's basically had that shit since he was a rookie, and he only perfected it throughout the years. MJ's naturally stronger and has better balance (also a result of footwork) this allows for better body control and more 'lean' on his fadeaway. One needs to be strong in order to lean back (ie get separation) the way MJ did and stay in control. And perhaps his biggest asset was his bigger hands. MJ's hands allowed him even more control and balance then Kobe.

So....

Stronger, bigger hands= more control & better balance which in effect equates to more consistency. More consistency = better fadeaway.

I'll even take Wizards MJ's fadeaway>>>>> 90% of Kobe's

That's how much better MJ's was.

Hell... I haven't even got into MJ's ability to hang in the air longer, because it really wouldn't be fair.

Kobe NEEDS to take shots with hands in his face because well... he kinda has to. MJ didn't, and if he did, he delivered just as well.

Ladies and gentlemen,

/thread.

[Da_Realist]

Doesn't look that unguardable in the playoffs :pimp:

[andgar923]

One game.

Age 40.

An array of pullups, step backs, fadeaways, off the ball, hand in the ball, from all angles and spots on the court, over multiple defenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TkvX356cpQ&feature=relmfu

I can post more if ya'll want.

Again.... at the age of 40.

http://youtu.be/eJuHwgo61IA

Again, from all over the court, against multiple defenders, from all angles and spots on the court.

[andgar923]

Again... why post a compilation of highlights from different games, when we can just post single game ones?

http://youtu.be/bcARNIt8Ydk

As usual... pullups, fadeaways, from all over the floor vs different defenders and defensive looks.

This is an old MJ.

Fadeaway still gets separation, he still gets lean on it, he still hits contested shots over defenders.

[swi7ch]

OP is trolling.

No one is this stupid to think MJ's fadeaway is inferior to Kobe.

[andgar923]

OP is trolling.

No one is this stupid to think MJ's fadeaway is inferior to Kobe.

Yes there is.

They're called "Kobe stans".

[lefthook00]

It's crazy how Wizards MJ's athleticism was comparable to Kobe this year. Kobe can obviously jump higher at this stage than Wizards MJ but MJ was still very "twitchy" and had very quick movements for an oldie.

MJ made his fade at a higher clip. But Kobe has more range on the fade. Kobe's body is also at more of an angle which makes it look prettier, but this is possibly due to MJ getting more elevation on his fade. Kobe also takes a bit more time to get into the air.

Come on, even though MJ's was more efficient, you have to admit that Kobe's is prettier. 1) Because he gets in these modes where he's shooting it no matter what(over doubles/triples) and it's more amazing when they go in, 2) his body angle on the fade, 3) he strings together more moves before his fade, 4) his range, 5) he shoots lasers.

[RazorBaLade]

So what sort of information/thread came out today that caused this sort or knee jerk insecure reaction from Kobe stans this time?

A. Kareem's skyhook and Shaq's dunk are the most unguardable moves in history.

B. MJ's fadeaway is>>>> than Kobe's, and here's why:

Efficiency. MJ's was more efficient plain and simple.

Why was MJ's more efficient? because it was better.

Why was it better? he created better separation, read the defense and reacted much quicker, which is why MJ didn't force as many bad shots. For every shot that we see Kobe hit over a defender, he's missed more than twice. But of course, we only see the made shots (just like with his game winners).

Shit.... MJ's fadeaway was so much better, that it was still his go to move as a Wizard. He could get that shot off against anybody even at 40 years old. Still got separation, still hit tough shots when contested.

Shit (pt 2).... the vast majority of MJ's shots during his 2nd 3peat were fadeaways, and even more so as a Wizard. And this was at an older stage of his career. Kobe has always had a harder time creating separation from his defender.

How was MJ able to create space and be more efficient?
He was a better athlete, had better balance and footwork. You know that footwork that Kobe was working on with Hakeem? well... Mj's basically had that shit since he was a rookie, and he only perfected it throughout the years. MJ's naturally stronger and has better balance (also a result of footwork) this allows for better body control and more 'lean' on his fadeaway. One needs to be strong in order to lean back (ie get separation) the way MJ did and stay in control. And perhaps his biggest asset was his bigger hands. MJ's hands allowed him even more control and balance then Kobe.

So....

Stronger, bigger hands= more control & better balance which in effect equates to more consistency. More consistency = better fadeaway.

I'll even take Wizards MJ's fadeaway>>>>> 90% of Kobe's

That's how much better MJ's was.

Hell... I haven't even got into MJ's ability to hang in the air longer, because it really wouldn't be fair.

Kobe NEEDS to take shots with hands in his face because well... he kinda has to. MJ didn't, and if he did, he delivered just as well.


i honestly cant take your post seriously if you dont know how gravity works

[lefthook00]

I mean, come on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KOPjhYQS8&feature=fvwrel

Roy and Aldridge(7 footer) trying to trap in the corner, spins, spins again, gets his feet set, fadeaway 3 over WRONG SHOULDER.

Anyone else would step out of bounds or get dizzy, and air ball it or get the sh*t packed out of the ball by Aldridge.

[Bladers]

I mean, come on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KOPjhYQS8&feature=fvwrel


That guy is UN-REALLLL!

[andgar923]

i honestly cant take your post seriously if you dont know how gravity works

And nobody will take you seriously, if you haven't noticed MJ's ability to actually hang in the air longer than Kobe.

[HoopSuperstar]

Nothing big about kobe's fadeaway. I thought I would see something incredible. Some body should put a pic of Michael Jordan fadeaway guarded by Patrick Ewing. Now that was a a huge fadeaway. If it were kobe he would surely have gotten his shot blocked.

[Collie]

Slap in the face of Kareem.

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLhdgHJRwc

Jordan wished he could do this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmiggKJirm8#t=7m23s

You were saying?

The entire premise of this thread - that Kobe's fadeaway is better than Jordan's - is absolutely laughable. Jordan got better elevation, faded farther, better separation, better accuracy, and set the shot up better. It's not close at all to anyone who's studied both of their games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF1YD6iXe0#t=1m45s

But...b...but Jordan couldn't hit threes! :oldlol:

[BEAST Griffin]

There's no basketball fans more delusional than Kobe stans.

[Da_Realist]

Nothing big about kobe's fadeaway. I thought I would see something incredible. Some body should put a pic of Michael Jordan fadeaway guarded by Patrick Ewing. Now that was a a huge fadeaway. If it were kobe he would surely have gotten his shot blocked.

I remember two of them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTnXA7DsR0#t=6m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTnXA7DsR0#t=12m52s

[Rysio]

There's no basketball fans more delusional than jordan stans.
fixed

[macpierce]

kobes fade was great especially in 05-06 and 06-07.........but recently it hasnt been great because he doesnt get enough lift and separation on his jumpshots............
and SMH saying dirks fade was better ROFL, dirks fadeaway this year was great, but it was nowhere to be seen the past 4 years.

[Solid Snake]

Kobe is my favorite player, and so I've probably seen him play a lot of games. I've gotta, say out of all the players who routinely "fades away" on their shot, I think Kobe hits the least amount of them- shoots the lowest percentage.

This is just the eye test, purely subjective, but Jordan, Hakeem, Rasheed, Lazy McLady, Wince Harder, all hit a higher percentage of their fadeaways I thnk. Maybe even Iverson? That one I'm not sure about.

[Heavincent]

There's no basketball fans more delusional than Lebron stans.

Fixed.

[che guevara]

I remember two of them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTnXA7DsR0#t=6m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTnXA7DsR0#t=12m52s
The 2nd one wasn't even a fadeaway, he just elevated over the top of him.

I'd really like to see the percentages on Kobe's fadeaway, I doubt it's higher than 35%. Fadeaways are low percentage shots for just about anybody, Dirk being the only exception.

[moey-]

i honestly cant take your post seriously if you dont know how gravity works

:lol :rockon:

[Nevaeh]

kobes fade was great especially in 05-06 and 06-07.........but recently it hasnt been great because he doesnt get enough lift and separation on his jumpshots............
and SMH saying dirks fade was better ROFL, dirks fadeaway this year was great, but it was nowhere to be seen the past 4 years.

Look at this sh!t. Kobe's Fade is already "Fading Away" at age 32, while Jordan was just getting warmed up with his at age 33 during the 95-96 season. As far as that "Gravity" dispute, it's simple. Jordan got more lift and "Hang Time" on his jumpers than anybody. Defenders were "coming down" while MJ was still rising on his jumpers.

Mike never had to fight for separation because he already knew ahead of time where he was gonna get his shot off. Kobe and other players are always in "think" mode, which gives their opponents a chance to beat them to their spots, hence the reason for dumb shots constantly.

[rodman91]

kobes fade was great especially in 05-06 and 06-07.........but recently it hasnt been great because he doesnt get enough lift and separation on his jumpshots............
and SMH saying dirks fade was better ROFL, dirks fadeaway this year was great, but it was nowhere to be seen the past 4 years.

Dirk had fadeaways for years...When he won a championship it became famous.
Just like his overall career & clutchness.

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmiggKJirm8#t=7m23s

You were saying?


I was saying that was a two pointer not a three.
Secondly that shot was hardly contested, the defender didn't even jump he just raise his hand, his feet didn't even leave the ground.

Compare that with the contest Lebron gave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLhdgHJRwc), plus the shot didn't even counts.

Look at how high Lebron jumps to contest it and how high his feet is off the ground.

Please just GTFO.
You have one video which doesn't even fit the criteria while Kobe did the original EVERY GAME in his prime.



The entire premise of this thread - that Kobe's fadeaway is better than Jordan's - is absolutely laughable. Jordan got better elevation, faded farther, better separation, better accuracy, and set the shot up better. It's not close at all to anyone who's studied both of their games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF1YD6iXe0#t=1m45s

But...b...but Jordan couldn't hit threes! :oldlol:

If Jordan had better elevation, faded farther and better accuracy, why doesn't he take and make fade away threes?

Fool its because Jordan's range is limited and his accuracy is average.

Oh boy the we have a video of Jordan making his first and only long three pointer. While Kobe hits fadeaway tough three pointers like its freethrows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PFBhUvcNec

Lastly, Kobe doesn't need separation, in his prime he was able to elevate on any one and make the shot.

[macpierce]

dirks fadeaway could be stopped by guys that were 6 foot 6 the past 4 years, now this year he finally scored over guys that are shorter than him.
dirks fade is great but lets to honest here, he doesnt really have to worry about guys blocking his shot, when he is 7 foot tall.........kobe doesnt have that luxory

[bl2k8]

mike had the better overall fadeaway, and one thing that Mike always had on Kobe was he elevated higher. Mike in the second three peat elevated higher on his fadeaway than peak Kobe, he was just a better athlete.

[Bladers]

Show me where Jordan does this Loki...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWk9wFDTIMw

I can show you 100 more videos of the same instance if you want to.
I just want to see one of Jordan!

[Jacks3]

Kobe's fade-away is better, more technically proficient than Jordan's. Jordan was just lucky to blessed with greater athleticism and played in a era with a bunch of 6''2, 6''3 guys guarding him. :oldlol:

[Da_Realist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qio-VS1cnv4

[Da_Realist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTnXA7DsR0#t=1m10s

[jstern]

I was saying that was a two pointer not a three.
Secondly that shot was hardly contested, the defender didn't even jump he just raise his hand, his feet didn't even leave the ground.

Compare that with the contest Lebron gave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLhdgHJRwc), plus the shot didn't even counts.

Look at how high Lebron jumps to contest it and how high his feet is off the ground.

Please just GTFO.
You have one video which doesn't even fit the criteria while Kobe did the original EVERY GAME in his prime.



If Jordan had better elevation, faded farther and better accuracy, why doesn't he take and make fade away threes?

Fool its because Jordan's range is limited and his accuracy is average.

Oh boy the we have a video of Jordan making his first and only long three pointer. While Kobe hits fadeaway tough three pointers like its freethrows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PFBhUvcNec

Lastly, Kobe doesn't need separation, in his prime he was able to elevate on any one and make the shot.
I had 3 youtube videos saved on my hard drive of 3 Jordan fadeaway 3s buzzer beaters, that hard drive is dead right now, which pisses me off. I guess he only took them when time was running out.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe's fade-away is better, more technically proficient than Jordan's. Jordan was just lucky to blessed with greater athleticism and played in a era with a bunch of 6''2, 6''3 guys guarding him. :oldlol:

Kobe's fadeaway = amateur. good for sissy NBA rules. NO hand check, no contact rules. looks very good when goes in. But Kobe misses more than he makes just cuz of hero complex & MJ complex. His is good no doubt but not in the league of MJ & failed him more often than not when it counted the most, THE PLAYOFFS.

MJ's fadeaway = ultimate mastery of timings, balance & skill. He can hang longer, fade like 5 feet out, use his legs much better, can use either shoulder, can use either side of the court.

Example:

"The shot, Part II" 1993

6'8" Wilkins, a renowned "Jordan Stopper", quick, agile, extremely physical, full handchecking defender. 2" taller than MJ, even knocks the ball out of MJs hands.

watch it from 3:50 all the way as MJ describes his buzzer beater game winner fadeaway. wilkins even knocks tha ball out of MJ hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF1YD6iXe0

[bl2k8]

Kobe's fade-away is better, more technically proficient than Jordan's. Jordan was just lucky to blessed with greater athleticism and played in a era with a bunch of 6''2, 6''3 guys guarding him. :oldlol:
how is kobes fade technically better? jordan releasted at the height of his jump and didn't move his body at all

[Bladers]

I had 3 youtube videos saved on my hard drive of 3 Jordan fadeaway 3s buzzer beaters, that hard drive is dead right now, which pisses me off. I guess he only took them when time was running out.

Check the shot clock on Kobe's shots on the videos I posted.

The difference between Kobe and Jordan is that Kobe makes his and Jordan doesn't!

[KenneBell]

As a goto move, Jordan's was better. As an shot you could go to from any situation or range, I think Kobe had the advantage.

Jordan got better elevation and could fade further. However, Kobe could pretty much get that fade off in situation he wanted. That ability has led to some ridiculously good/bad shot over the years.

[knightfall88]

That Kobe pump fake and reverse pivot jumpshot, Kobes signature move?(because fadeaway is used by everyone) never seen anyone else do that regularly in NBA history

[DixieNourmous]

[quote=gengiskhan]Kobe's fadeaway = amateur. good for sissy NBA rules/quote]


http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/lol_wtf_gif.gif

[Calabis]

Jordan can only pull his shit on one defender and okay contest...

Kobe did his on multiple defenders, on unbelieveable contest, with range.
He wasn't limited to the midrange. He faded from the 3pt line and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related

That's what unstoppable looks like my friend.

So according to you, after Kobe was asking Jordan during the game, about how to feel for the defenders when using this move and other tips, he is somehow better than the guy he copied....lmao...Kobe will be praying he can do this shit at 40

http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/133/09cc293fda9d4c0a8e7385f0d59f264f/m.jpg

[Ne 1]

Kobe's fadeaway = amateur. good for sissy NBA rules. NO hand check, no contact rules.

I wish these clowns would actually watch games from their "golden era" and realize how common 70+ FTA games were, how so many flagrants were "soft" in the 90s due to the bad boys era, and realize how many touch fouls were called amongst other things. The most physical era in the NBA was actually the 70s. And rules eliminated REAL, physical handchecking in '79:

[QUOTE]1978-79
Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through

[jstern]

Check the shot clock on Kobe's shots on the videos I posted.

The difference between Kobe and Jordan is that Kobe makes his and Jordan doesn't!
So far I've seen Jordan take 3 fade away 3s, and he hit all of them. What I don't understand is how you reply by saying to a comment of me talking about 3 fade away 3 pointers that Jordan hit, you reply by saying that the difference is that Jordan doesn't make them. It's like you lack a lot of comprehension, or have a denial personality where you filter out anything in life that makes you uncomfortable, not just in basketball.

[Calabis]

Peak Prime Kobe fade-away was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:



Well please tell him to use that shit in the NBA Finals so he can quit shooting 41% and having Fisher hit all the big shots:roll:

[Ne 1]

Kobe will be praying he can do this shit at 40

Kobe currently has the same amount of millage on his legs that MJ had at 40 if I'm not mistaken.

[andgar923]

Well please tell him to use that shit in the NBA Finals so he can quit shooting 41% and having Fisher his all the big shots:roll:

..

[KenneBell]

Well please tell him to use that shit in the NBA Finals so he can quit shooting 41% and having Fisher his all the big shots:roll:
Bladers is trolling as are you.

[andgar923]

Bladers is trolling as are you.

Which part of that statement was trolling?

What he mentioned is true no?

[Bladers]

So far I've seen Jordan take 3 fade away 3s, and he hit all of them. What I don't understand is how you reply by saying to a comment of me talking about 3 fade away 3 pointers that Jordan hit, you reply by saying that the difference is that Jordan doesn't make them. It's like you lack a lot of comprehension, or have a denial personality where you filter out anything in life that makes you uncomfortable, not just in basketball.

The reason there is only 3 videos of him making fade-away threes is because the rest are missed shots.

People don't keep videos of missed shots but of the makes, fool! :oldlol:

[Ne 1]

Bladers is trolling as are you.

Hulk Hogan stay making them mad. :oldlol:

[Rysio]

Well please tell him to use that shit in the NBA Finals so he can quit shooting 41% and having Fisher hit all the big shots:roll:
he would if he played vs cupcake teams jordan faced :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

I wish these clowns would actually watch games from their "golden era" and realize how common 70+ FTA games were, how so many flagrants were "soft" in the 90s due to the bad boys era, and realize how many touch fouls were called amongst other things. The most physical era in the NBA was actually the 70s. And rules eliminated REAL, physical handchecking in '79:



In the 80s, I've seen handchecking get called all the time. Commentators pointing out on replays how the guy was not allowed to handcheck etc. Sports Illustrated published an entire feature article in the 80s because NBA defense was perceived as a JOKE. Poor help defense, no zone, less and less physicality, and so on. That's how everybody thought of it at the time. Handchecking was still allowed in the backcourt however to pressure the ball handler, but they eliminated that altogether in '94.

The same BS complaints people have now, people had back then. I saw old timers from the 70s on half time segments making fun of how you couldn't guard Michael Jordan because of all the favorable rules for him (isolation, lack of physicality etc). And the same "handchecking" complaints were going on in '93, in fact here's an NY Times article:
:applause:

[heyhey]

Thats because Jordan wasnt stupid or selfish enough to take a fadaway while beeing triple-teamed.:facepalm

:roll: wasn't MJ that dude who RETIRED to make a point that his team couldn't do it without him... even though his squad was so stacked that even when he bolted last min they still made it to ECF :confusedshrug:

[KenneBell]

Which part of that statement was trolling?

What he mentioned is true no?
No. The Kobe Bladers is talking about never went to the Finals. :lol

An unstoppable shot won't necessarily raise your FG% either. '96 MJ was probably his fade at its best and still didn't shoot well during the Finals.

I'm not picking sides. Both are great.

[eliteballer]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_L7ROsl-6c_E/S4p67QZTFcI/AAAAAAAABFs/LrzG5uIvLps/71090275.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/29bliy0.jpg

http://www.pugetsoundoff.org/files/files/imagecache/full-size/u1139/Kobe%20Bryant2.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii225/yankster20/kobe-bryant-lebron-james.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R_V68KZWUEw/STi6V9F4QHI/AAAAAAAAAAM/HcvcJCN_BJA/s320/kobe+fade+away.jpg

No way you can compare Kobe and Jordan's jumper. Kobe has a better handle and range, he's MUCH more dynamic on the perimeter because he gets off the floor much faster when launching his shot.

[jstern]

The reason there is only 3 videos of him making fade-away threes is because the rest are missed shots.

People don't keep videos of missed shots but of the makes, fool! :oldlol:

They weren't isolated videos of him hitting a 3 point fade away, they were random games that I watched, each over 5 minutes long, with no knowledge that he was going to shoot them.

[Calabis]

Bladers is trolling as are you.

Trolling??? I'm not starting "Kobe sux" threads, what I do is point out the obvious bs the Kobe brigade has been posting for years...I was actually going to agree with u'r first post on this matter.......Bladers actually believes it, so the solution is simple, if its so unstoppable and he makes far more than MJ, then why all the air balls in the playoffs when using this shot??? Why such a horrid shooting %? Why no lengendary moments like Fisher(ie Orlando 3 pointers,4th Quarter vs Boston) why not give it to Kobe and have him fadeaway for a automatic bucket?

[Jacks3]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_L7ROsl-6c_E/S4p67QZTFcI/AAAAAAAABFs/LrzG5uIvLps/71090275.jpg

http://www.pugetsoundoff.org/files/files/imagecache/full-size/u1139/Kobe%20Bryant2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R_V68KZWUEw/STi6V9F4QHI/AAAAAAAAAAM/HcvcJCN_BJA/s320/kobe+fade+away.jpg

No way you can compare Kobe and Jordan's jumper. Kobe has a better handle and range, he's MUCH more dynamic on the perimeter because he gets off the floor much faster when launching his shot.
:applause:

[ukplayer4]

the delusion of kobe fans on this board does not surprise me, we all know how ill they are, its the multiple accounts thats really funny. they give the game away too easily.




kobes fadeaway better than mj's :roll: :roll:

[SFMF]

Not even worth debating this... Kobe can't even utilize the turnaround fadeaway shot, and yes he isn't even the best fadeaway shooter of this era, it's Dirk.

[Calabis]

he would if he played vs cupcake teams jordan faced :oldlol:

:roll:

He plays with cupcake rules that benefits perimeter players, he couldn't even dominate a old ass Jason Kidd gtfoh with this nonsense....this is the problem with u Kobestans.....Jordan is a far more athletic, consistent, smarter version of Kobe, yet somehow Jordan would be worse today and Kobe would be great back in the day....funny thing is Kobe plays againt the heralded zone defense of today and shoots 50%, yet when he faces tough man to man(far less physical) like in MJ's day(Celtics/Thunder) dude shoots 40%....its like the Heat fans and young generation fans complaining about the bumping the Bulls got away with in Game 1 vs Lebron and Wade....last time I checked that was Jordan era style defense

[Ne 1]

Trolling??? I'm not starting "Kobe sux" threads

We all know your posting history. You come in every Kobe related thread trying to diminish him.


what I do is point out the obvious bs the Kobe brigade has been posting for years

No, you purposely reply to posts that are obvious trolling attempts so you can get your Kobe bashing orgasm off.



I was actually going to agree with u'r first post on this matter.......Bladers actually believes it, so the solution is simple, if its so unstoppable and he makes far more than MJ, then why all the air balls in the playoffs when using this shot??? Why such a horrid shooting %?

Typical..... you resort to red herring tactics and straw-man arguments.



Why no lengendary moments like Fisher(ie Orlando 3 pointers,4th Quarter vs Boston) why not give it to Kobe and have him fadeaway for a automatic bucket?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-NajrT03g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWI7umzJ_7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NguSSd52_5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcQbCdlVnS8


Killer instinct.

:bowdown:

[LastEpisode]

How can this video have 66 dislikes?
Because it's Kobe.. There are people who hates him..

[Bladers]

They weren't isolated videos of him hitting a 3 point fade away, they were random games that I watched, each over 5 minutes long, with no knowledge that he was going to shoot them.

Again provide me video... Just ONE of Jordan hitting a shot like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDiwMNKPp1U

I can give you more than a 100 of Kobe doing that on you-tube.

I just want to see one of Jordan?

The reason Kobe's long shots are so popular is because he makes them all the time and also makes them with the toughest contest and angle.

[eliteballer]

LOL @ Jordan more athletic(Look at the jazz bench):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E&feature=related

[eliteballer]

Dont confuse young Jordan carrying about 30 lbs less muscle mass with being more athletic.

Hell Bird looks more smooth than LeBron but he aint more athletic.

[KenneBell]

Not even worth debating this... Kobe can't even utilize the turnaround fadeaway shot, and yes he isn't even the best fadeaway shooter of this era, it's Dirk.
Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdhzTkZli1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f18lF7sJW_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dnGqvXt9-c

You guys act like Kobe has unlimited post opportunities like a Dirk or '96+ MJ. He does when Gasol is out of the lineup. That's about the only time.

He can use the turnaround just fine.

[Ne 1]

He plays with cupcake rules that benefits perimeter players

So did Jordan. He was the most coddled player in NBA history.


he couldn't even dominate a old ass Jason Kidd gtfoh

Right so you nit pick one playoff series. I can do the same thing with Jordan and nit pick his playoff games/series when he was shut down.

Do you have understanding of what team defense is? Old Jason Kidd? You obviously are completely clueless to how Kidd's defense works. It's predicated on position, anticipation, awareness, and very quick, strong hands. He has never been a super quick defender like Payton for example. What Kidd does is uses his strength and IQ to play great D more than anything else. Look at what he did to prime LeBron in the Finals. Kidd is still a very good defender. :oldlol: at you trying to downplay his impact by saying he's "old".



this is the problem with u Kobestans

Your seriously complaining about other people stanning?


Jordan is a far more athletic, consistent, smarter version of Kobe, yet somehow Jordan would be worse today

Who said he would be a worse player today?


and Kobe would be great back in the day

He would.



last time I checked that was Jordan era style defense

LOL what a biased, shitty poster....

[imlmf]

so a bunch of pathetic kobe nut-huggers who defies reality decide to create a thread to celebrate over something that's only true in their delusions and would get laughed at in real life by any non-retarded basketball fans? I guess I should GTFO of here, you fanboys have your fun, but eventually you still have to come back to reality. :facepalm

[Calabis]

We all know your posting history. You come in every Kobe reltaed thread trying to diminish him.



No, you purposely reply to posts that are obvious trolling attempts so you can get your Kobe bashing orgasm off.




Typical, you resort to red herring tactics and straw-man arguments.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-NajrT03g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NguSSd52_5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcQbCdlVnS8


Killer instinct.

:bowdown:

Bitch please, u start 10 Kobe dick sucking threads a week....its posters just like u who make basketball fans in general put his game under a microscope, then when u get blasted with facts and proof....u whine about people hating u'r hero...I enjoy watching Kobe play, because when I do, I'm normally not surrounded by his moron brigade...I can appreciate what he does and what he has brought to the game, but when u and u'r league of Kobesack gulpers start posting crap like this, don't get mad when u get called out on it.

[Smoke117]

Well luckily for the rest of the league this "unguardable" shot belongs to a player with some of the worst shot selection ever seen.

[Calabis]

So did Jordan. He was the most coddled player in NBA history.

Most coddled??? The dude that was technically getting hs ass beat by the Pistons and Knicks, is more coddled than a guy who goes to the hole far less yet had 4 years in a row with 9+ free throws
Right so you nit pick one playoff series. I can do the same thing with Jordan and nit pick his playoff games/series when he was shut down.

One playoff series??? How about the damn NBA FINALS period....41% career, sorry that's not dominatingDo you have understanding of what team defense is? Old Jason Kidd? You obviously are completely clueless to how Kidd's defense works. It's predicated on position, anticipation, awareness, and very quick, strong hands. He has never been a super quick defender like Payton for example. What Kidd does is uses his strength and IQ to play great D more than anything else. Look at what he did to prime LeBron in the Finals. Kidd is still a very good defender. :oldlol: at you trying to downplay his impact by saying he's "old".

So Kidd is now a better defender than he was in his prime when he was making defensive teams??? And who gives a shit how good his Defense is, u just co-signed this most unstoppable shot theory....4 ppg in the 4th quarter vs Kidd....damn Kobe doing work right there


Your seriously complaining about other people stanning?

U r one of the biggest here



Who said he would be a worse player today?

Uhh learn to read u'r breatherns statements, they say this shit on a daily basis,


He would.




LOL what a biased, shitty poster....

LOL...what a clueless moron...go find some more Kobe pictures and videos to post...its what u do best

[Ne 1]

Bitch please, u start 10 Kobe dick sucking threads a week

Bitch please, u start 10 Kobe bashing threads a week.



its posters just like u who make basketball fans in general put his game under a microscope

Nah, it's just moronic basketball elitists like yourself that try to over analyze everything.



then when u get blasted wth facts and proof....u whine about people hating u'r hero

Nope I just refute and debunk people like you who spread falsehoods, misleading information and distort facts.



I enjoy watching Kobe play, because when I do, I'm normally not surrounded by his moron brigade...I can apprciate what he does and what he has brought to the game

Good for you, do you want a cookie or something? :oldlol:


but when u and u'r league of Kobesack gulpers start posting crap like this, don't get mad when u get called out on it.

Your whole M.O. on here since you joined this site is come in every Kobe related thread and bash and diminish him. Funny how you pretend to be a realist, but your just another Kobe hating nut-case with an agenda. No different from Bruce Blitz who pretends to be unbiased, presents his opinions as facts, but everyone knows you both have an agenda.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Show me where Jordan does this Loki...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWk9wFDTIMw

I can show you 100 more videos of the same instance if you want to.
I just want to see one of Jordan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_AuUmAxTA#t=1m46s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNwtmudALQ#t=8m23s

[OldSchoolBBall]

LOL @ Jordan more athletic(Look at the jazz bench):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E&feature=related

So now you've sunken so low that you're actually going to assert that Kobe was equally/more athletic than Jordan? :oldlol: God, how far Kobe stans have fallen in the wake of Kobe's DISASTROUS playoff exit. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

lol @ loki. Clown.

[Ne 1]

LOL...what a clueless moron...go find some more Kobe pictures and videos to post...its what u do best

At least learn how to quote properly if your want a response. And how about you go find some more of your Jordan VHS tapes and your Space Jam toys from the 90s, since it's so hard for you to let go off your precious Jordan memories from your childhood.






I understand the reason you though you love trolling Kobe threads though. This is what you put on before you log on ISH:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4706/fatalw.jpg

You've been bad, and just want to be punished. :roll:

[kaiiu]

Kobes jumper is BEAUTIFUL :bowdown: :bowdown:

lol at Tony Allen stans getting mad

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qio-VS1cnv4
lol, knew what game this was before I even clicked, because I remember specifically thinking when I watched the entire game a few months ago that "wow, Jordan is making some Kobe like shots here". MJ's fadeaway better because he got more lift and separation on it than Kobe does, but with a hand in his face, prime Kobe is better.

[Micku]

Of this era it was one of the most. But there are a lot of crazy unstoppable moves.

Like Jordan fadeaway is more unstoppable than Kobe just because he jumped hella high with better hangtime. Jordan was like Kobe version 2 (even though he was first, lol).


But Jordan fadeaway might not have been the most unstoppable.

You had Wilt crazy backwards finger rolls.

George Gervin epic finger rolls.

Kareem sky hook, probably the most ironic shot in the NBA, and one of the most unguardable.

Kevin Mchale the "worm". It's some crazy post shot that you don't think will go in, but it ends up in there anyway. Plus all of Kevin Mchale up and under moves are just deadly. But the "worm" takes the cake above all else. It's one of the crazies crazy shots ever, and my favorite.

Magic Johnson baby hook was hard to guard too. Magic Johnson did some hook shots at the 3pt line and it went in, lol. But in the paint, 6'10 running and doing some hook shots is pretty hard to guard.

Then you have Dirk's crazy weird fadeaway that always go in somehow.

Those a lot of shots that are pretty hard to guard. All of those guys are pretty epic.

[Da_Realist]

lol, knew what game this was before I even clicked, because I remember specifically thinking when I watched the entire game a few months ago that "wow, Jordan is making some Kobe like shots here". MJ's fadeaway better because he got more lift and separation on it than Kobe does, but with a hand in his face, prime Kobe is better.

Look at how hard Jordan worked to get a closer shot. THAT is why you don't see Jordan shooting fadeaways from behind the arc. Smarter player.

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_AuUmAxTA#t=1m46s



That's not a fade-away.. :roll: :roll:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNwtmudALQ#t=8m23s

So Jordan has one.... Kobe has 1XXX.
Do you now see it? Jordan's fade-away is inferior to Kobe's.

[VeeCee15]

unguardable? his shot% for that fadeaway is at best 30% LOL.

Kobe also has MEDIOCRE hops in his prime..dood max out at 36 inch vert MAX on a run. He's just an above average athlete..

[dude77]

So Jordan has one.... Kobe has 1XXX.
Do you now see it? Jordan's fade-away is inferior to Kobe's.


you wanna compare who has more of something ? not too smart dipshit .. ok let's do that comparison

jordan has 7 consecutive scoring titles .. would've been 12 consecutive had he not retired and 10 scoring titles in total .. how many does kobe have ? :facepalm

[Dro]

wow kobe fans get more and more ridiculous every day

[Bladers]

you wanna compare who has more of something ? not too smart dipshit .. ok let's do that comparison

jordan has 7 consecutive scoring titles .. would've been 12 consecutive had he not retired and 10 scoring titles in total .. how many does kobe have ? :facepalm

Jordan has 581 3pt made, Kobe has 1,418.

**** off!

[Nevaeh]

Originally Post By: hey hey
:roll: wasn't MJ that dude who RETIRED to make a point that his team couldn't do it without him...


No, he actually retired because he was burned the f@ck out after carrying his team to 3 straight Championships, along with being a member of the Dream team.


even though his squad was so stacked that even when he bolted last min they still made it to ECF :confusedshrug:

Wrong again. That Bulls squad without MJ only managed the Eastern Conference Semi Finals. Nice try though. Kobe Stans..... rewriting history One Thread At a Time.

[andgar923]

I guess the Wizard vids I posted got overlooked (as usual).

[Ne 1]

Jordan has 581 3pt made, Kobe has 1,418.

**** off!

Sad thing about that is David Stern shortened the 3-point line when MJ was playing.

[andgar923]

Sad thing about that is David Stern shortened the 3-point line when MJ was playing.

Wrong.

And Mj taking less 3pt shots speaks volumes at his superiority.

[Simple Jack]

We have some very delusional posters in this thread.

[Ne 1]

No, he actually retired because he was burned the f@ck out after carrying his team to 3 straight Championships, along with being a member of the Dream team.


Nope he was suspended.



Wrong again. That Bulls squad without MJ only managed the Eastern Conference Semi Finals.

They went to Game 7 of the East Semis, and if not for the most controversial foul call in NBA playoff history in Game 5, the Bulls in all likelihood reach the Finals.


ESPN: Worst calls in history

Hue Hollins calls foul against Scottie Pippen
Bulls vs. Knicks, Game 5, Eastern Conference finals. No call has ever been nor ever will be more heinous than this travesty of justice.

Hollins calls a phantom foul on Scottie Pippen, who cleanly contested the 3-pointer by Hubert Davis in the waning seconds of the game and the Bulls clinging to a slim lead. Had Hollins done the correct thing, Davis would have missed the shot, and the Bulls would have stolen the pivotal fifth game (without the then-retired Michael Jordan!) in the Garden. Instead, Davis made three free throws to give the Knicks the lead, wresting the game out of the Bulls' clutches.

Chicago would have won the series in Game 6, but instead Hollins gave the Knicks the series in seven.







http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0528/nba_a_pippen_davis1_sw_400.jpg

[az00m]

Kobe sucks

[Nevaeh]

Sad thing about that is David Stern shortened the 3-point line so that anyone who shot 3s could take advantage of it.

Jordan wasn't in the league by himself shooting 3-pointers. Besides, why the hell would Stern need to shorten the 3-point line for MJ when that was never a primary part of his game anyway? The Mid-Range and the Dunk was where he made his living.

[lefthook00]

Look, it's obvious that MJ was more athletic than Kobe. His fadeaway was more efficient.

But Kobe has way more range on it, CONSISTENTLY able to FADE from 3 point land, and his fade looks better, straight up. To be honest, MJ looked like a dork when he shot. His shot looked way more smooth and stylish 96-98 though. Kobe just has more street-ball style in his game.

MJ got super high on his jumpers, but Kobe got higher than you guys think. MJ's 1 foot jump > jump off two feet, and Kobe's best jump comes when he jumps off two feet, and we all know jumpers are two-foot jumps. Kobe also got higher on his jumper as he aged(especially 03-06 when not injured) than he did when he was younger, which is weird.

[Ne 1]

Wrong.

And Mj taking less 3pt shots speaks volumes at his superiority.

This is what MJ did with the standard 3-point line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akYsCU8bWNA

[Nevaeh]

Look, it's obvious that MJ was more athletic than Kobe. His fadeaway was more efficient.

But Kobe has way more range on it, CONSISTENTLY able to FADE from 3 point land, and his fade looks better, straight up. To be honest, MJ looked like a dork when he shot. His shot looked way more smooth and stylish 96-98 though. Kobe just has more street-ball style in his game.

MJ got super high on his jumpers, but Kobe got higher than you guys think. MJ's 1 foot jump > jump off two feet, and Kobe's best jump comes when he jumps off two feet, and we all know jumpers are two-foot jumps. Kobe also got higher on his jumper as he aged(especially 03-06 when not injured) than he did when he was younger, which is weird.

And that would explain why he was so damn inefficient with his Fade Aways. Where Jordan was simply looking for the cleanest shot possible, Kobe was too busy trying to win "style" points.

[andgar923]

This is what MJ did with the standard 3-point line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akYsCU8bWNA

What's Kobe's Finals career 3pt shooting pct again?


Anyway....

Pull up step back, fadeaway right block, fadeaway middle, step back fadeaway off the right side, etc.etc.

http://youtu.be/z0UTltX1oq4

And those are just some of the first few shots in this clip.

Again... not a compilation of various games, just one game.

It's a fadeaway clinic.

[Ne 1]

What's Kobe's Finals career 3pt shooting pct again?


What's MJ's 3P% with the standard 3-point line? 24%

[Jacks3]

MJ couldn't even shoot past 15 feet. He's like Wade.

Kobe shits on both as a pure shooter. :bowdown:

[az00m]

MJ couldn't even shoot past 15 feet. He's like Wade.

Kobe shits on both as a pure shooter. :bowdown:

Yeah, but he fell in love with it too much. He is afraid to go at the rim anymore. At least michael jordan when he was 35 and 36 he was still driving too the rim and dunking every game. Kobe settles. MJ never settled.

[Nevaeh]

Nope he was suspended.




They went to Game 7 of the East Semis, and if not for the most controversial foul call in NBA playoff history in Game 5, the Bulls in all likelihood reach the Finals.






Great point. Kinda like if the Lakers played with any heart this year, they'd be looking at another 3-peat right? The "If" Had" "Woulda Coulda Shoulda" game can be played all night based on a missed call here or there. Laker Fans who witnessed Shaq's elbows and Fisher's 0.4 shot should know this better than anybody.

[andgar923]

Again... another clinic against today's younger/better defenders/defense.

http://youtu.be/PHk-wBYNMEs

[andgar923]

What's MJ's 3P% with the standard 3-point line? 24%

Answer my question.

[DirkNowitzki41]

http://www.nba-infos.fr/photos-articles/Dirk+Nowitzki+Dallas+Mavericks+v+Los+Angeles-one-legged-shot.jpg

[Geezer]

Kobe is a horribly overrated chucker whose percentages have always sucked compared to Jordan, sorry

Anyone can have an "unguardable" shot if they throw up a bunch of bullshit with multiple defenders on them then put together a Youtube highlight reel of only the ones they made in order to make it look like they hit more than they missed :oldlol:

Kobe = taller Iverson

[Ne 1]

Great point. Kinda like if the Lakers played with any heart this year, they'd be looking at another 3-peat right? The "If" Had" "Woulda Coulda Shoulda" game can be played all night based on a missed call here or there. Laker Fans who witnessed Shaq's elbows and Fisher's 0.4 shot should know this better than anybody.

Typical red herring tactics.

[SFMF]

February, 1997: Seattle SuperSonics coach George Karl calls him a jump shooter who is afraid to go into the middle of the lane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNuTG1ARzo

[Ne 1]

Kobe is a horribly overrated chucker whose percentages have always sucked compared to Jordan, sorry

Anyone can have an "unguardable" shot if they throw up a bunch of bullshit with multiple defenders on them then put together a Youtube highlight reel of only the ones they made in order to make it look like they hit more than they missed :oldlol:


Kobe is an overrated chucker now?

Why can't people on ISH just debate without going to extreme ends of the spectrum and making up nonsensical stuff?

I really don't understand why people are so extreme in their hate, to an objective viewer it just makes their opinions invalid. Not even talking about just Kobe, but just in general, no balance just ridiculous statements, most of this shit is personal preference, but there's certain players you can't deny though and if you say they suck then it makes you look idiotic. This forum would be a lot better if it was more debate and less shock value uninformed bull shit.

[Nevaeh]

Kobe is a horribly overrated chucker whose percentages have always sucked compared to Jordan, sorry

Anyone can have an "unguardable" shot if they throw up a bunch of bullshit with multiple defenders on them then put together a Youtube highlight reel of only the ones they made in order to make it look like they hit more than they missed :oldlol:

Kobe = Poor Man's Kobe Bryant

Based on what you just posted anyway :oldlol:

[Micku]

MJ couldn't even shoot past 15 feet. He's like Wade.

Kobe shits on both as a pure shooter. :bowdown:

:oldlol:


Kobe actually plays a lot like Jordan. Their game is very similar. And Jordan did take mostly jumpers in the 90s (including the first threepeat). Jordan took more jumpers than he drove to the basket in throughout the 90s. But he was great at almost everything, almost no real weakness similar to Kobe's prime, but Jordan was more athletic. He played more off the ball in the 90s than he did in the 80s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUnR-jVWsiM&feature=related#t=08m30s

Obviously you would have Jordan to shoot the jumper than driving with the layup, but he'll always kill you. He was 11/21 and 10/19 on jumpshots the first two games. And he kept shooting.

Wade is more similar to 80s Jordan.

There are people back then who acknowledge in forums as well.

"Jordan is a great outside shooter. He scores more points off the
jumper than by driving. I think if someone is willing to play
zone against Jordan and give him 3 points for a 21' jump shot,
he'll have no trouble getting his points. I realize Jordan
has indicated he doesn't plan to play but the idea that Jordan
couldn't score against a zone is ridiculous. "
1992

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.basketball/browse_thread/thread/aa9d5e100c7ec02b/f91a39ff189b61cd?q=Michael+Jordan+zone#f91a39ff189 b61cd

Just watch any games of the early the 90s and Jordan makes a killing on the jumper.


With that said, Kobe is a better 3pt shooter than Jordan. But it's not like Jordan was terrible at the 3. In the playoffs, in his first 3peat:

1991: 38.5% on a average of 1.5 attempts
1992: 38.6% on a average of 2 attempts
1993: 38.9% on a average of 3.8 attempts

In the regular season he hardly took as many 3s. But he did so in 1990 and 1993.

Jordan was probably the better mid-ranger shooter. This is because Jordan usually get better shots there, and his jumper had more lift and he had the hangtime to decide to adjust his shot or pass the ball.

Kobe is better than Jordan at the contested jumpshot. But you can say that is a bit of a flaw on Kobe's part because he could shot at a higher % if he didn't take so many bad shots where the guy is all up in his face. Jordan was better at creating space and shooting it. Regardless, Kobe took more difficult shots than Jordan and makes'em.

---

But both Jordan and Kobe take a bunch of shots. Sometimes it could be too much.

[Bladers]

What's MJ's 3P% with the standard 3-point line? 24%

The truth coming out on his true airness. :pimp:

[Jacks3]

:oldlol:


Kobe actually plays a lot like Jordan.

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Wrong. Kobe plays nothing like Jordan. Jordan was a "quick-strike" type of player. Kobe is much more crafty, and is more of a shooter. He plays a lot more like prime T-Mac than he does Jordan. Don't let the Jordan stans fool you.

[dude77]

yeah kobe .. all time greatest scorer .. yet kobe has 2 scoring titles while jordan has 12 .. apparently you enjoy smacking your face against the floor ..




MJ couldn't even shoot past 15 feet. He's like Wade.

Kobe shits on both as a pure shooter. :bowdown:

[dude77]

and what is this 'truth' ? .. let's watch you fall on your face .. go ahead


The truth coming out on his true airness. :pimp:

[gengiskhan]

Sad thing about that is David Stern shortened the 3-point line when MJ was playing.

Even sadder thing about that is David Stern completely turned every NBA game into all-star game by completely relaxed defensive rules & full on offense so that Kobe can ave 35ppgs by shot jocking.

[Calabis]

Bitch please, u start 10 Kobe bashing threads a week.

LMAO!!! Show me how many Kobe bashing threads I have started...I'll wait, when u and u'r Hall of Kobelovers disappear I actual post highlight vids of his that I thought were good vids


Nah, it's just moronic basketball elitists like yourself that try to over analyze everything.

Over anaylyze??? Calling his fadeaway the most unstoppable shot in NBA history??? LMAO...last time I checked that belongs to Kareem's skyhook



Nope I just refute and debunk people like you who spread falsehoods, misleading information and distort facts.

Yet u cosigned this thread as fact???



Good for you, do you want a cookie or something? :oldlol:



Your whole M.O. on here since you joined this site is come in every Kobe related thread and bash and diminish him. Funny how you pretend to be a realist, but your just another Kobe hating nut-case with an agenda. No different from Bruce Blitz who pretends to be unbiased, presents his opinions as facts, but everyone knows you both have an agenda.

LMAO...don't hate Kobe, never met him, enjoy his game, just hate his stans like you who are 25 and younger and never saw pre 1998 basketball acting like he's the best thing ever and the best at everything, u tear down other players current: Wade/Lebron/Durant/Dirk and of course past ones Russell/Wilt/Jordan...anything to boost up Kobe so he can stay chin level with his *******....simple fact....he's not the best and never will be, get over it......

[Calabis]

At least learn how to quote properly if your want a response. And how about you go find some more of your Jordan VHS tapes and your Space Jam toys from the 90s, since it's so hard for you to let go off your precious Jordan memories from your childhood.






I understand the reason you though you love trolling Kobe threads though. This is what you put on before you log on ISH:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4706/fatalw.jpg

You've been bad, and just want to be punished. :roll:

Damn try and at least make a good joke...Jordan VHS tapes and Space Jam Toys??? No its called watching basketball pre 1998....no go back and *********e to you Kobe wall posters

[Ne 1]

LMAO...don't hate Kobe, never met him, enjoy his game, just hate his stans

You can say whatever you want be we all know your posting history, which is nothing but your anti-Kobe agenda.



like you who are 25 and younger and never saw pre 1998 basketball acting like he's the best thing ever and the best at everything

Wrong. I am an 87 year old man who has seen Mikan, Cousy, Russell, Pettit, West, Wilt, Barry, Hondo, Oscar, Kareem, Walton, McAdoo, Bird, Magic and many other greats who were better than Jordan.


tear down other players current: Kobe/Wade/Lebron/Durant/Dirk and of course past ones Russell/Wilt/Kareem...anything to boost up Jordan so he can stay chin level with his *******....simple fact....he's not the best and never will be, get over it

Yup, that is exactly what you and the other Jordan Crusade cult-like worshipers do on here.

[Ne 1]

Damn try and at least make a good joke...Jordan VHS tapes and Space Jam Toys??? No its called watching basketball pre 1998....no go back and *********e to you Kobe wall posters

Log off ISH and go play with your Space Jam doll, the baksetball community dosen't need anymore insane Jordan stans.

http://i37.tinypic.com/6pnds6.jpg

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpi7hbdQLK1qzvqipo1_500.jpg

[Da_Realist]

Would have been nice for Kobe to pull out that "unguardable" shot while Dallas was busy sweeping him out of the playoffs. Maybe he wants to save it for next year's regular season.

[Calabis]

The truth coming out on his true airness. :pimp:

Hooray Kobe shoots 3 pointers better than MJ...now he can join Reggie Miller, in the only thing I can do better than MJ club

[Calabis]

Would have been nice for Kobe to pull out that "unguardable" shot while Dallas was busy sweeping him out of the playoffs this year. Maybe Kobe wants to save it for next year's regular season.

:applause:

Kobe "The Kloser" Bryant....4th quarter performances in series

6 for 18= 17 total points...... 33.3 FG%/1 Rebound/ 1 Assist

4.25 PPG in the 4th quarter...Unguardable shot???

[Ne 1]

Hooray Kobe shoots 3 pointers better than MJ...now he can join Reggie Miller, in the only thing I can do better than MJ club

Maybe if MJ worked more on his 3-point shot, off hand, handles, foot work, post game, shooting form, ball handling, left hand, mid range game and help defense he could have been as good as Kobe.



*waits for MJ stans to get upset*

[Samurai Swoosh]

Hooray Kobe shoots 3 pointers better than MJ...now he can join Reggie Miller, in the only thing I can do better than MJ club
This actually made me laugh. Yea, I don't know why one would want to continually bail out a defense by shooting long range 3 point shots all the time. It's a quick way if you hit a few of them to amass a higher point total, but even the best shooters if they take enough of them will miss significantly more than they make them. Limits effectiveness.

[Ne 1]

Would have been nice for Kobe to pull out that "unguardable" shot while Dallas was busy sweeping him out of the playoffs. Maybe he wants to save it for next year's regular season.

LA would have beat Dallas if Pau wasn't on his menstrual cycle. Kobe and Byum were our only 2 players that showed up during the entire playoffs.

[Calabis]

Maybe if MJ worked more on his 3-point shot, off hand, handles, foot work, post game, shooting form, ball handling, left hand, mid range game and help defense he could have been as good as Kobe.



*waits for MJ stans to get upset*

Kobe is better than Jordan is some areas offensively, but so was Reggie Miller shooting, Isiah Thomas handles, Magic passing, but not one of them has the total package MJ had.....Kobe shoots threes better than MJ, but when it counts in the playoffs/finals Kobe's numbers don''t say that. Kobe is a volume scorer/Jordan a consistent scorer....yes both when hot are ridiculous(Hell a hot Kobe may be more dangerous than a Hot Jordan, due to range), but you're going to get more consistent play/big games from MJ than Kobe.

Prior to this years playoff run:

Finals:
Kobe has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 games
Mike has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games
Why does Kobe have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?...

Playoffs: Kobe- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes
Mike- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Kobe in big games in playoffs 37-97 .360%
in game 7's 38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games.... Kobe not doing work

[Nevaeh]

Maybe if MJ worked more on his 3-point shot, off hand, handles, foot work, post game, shooting form, ball handling, left hand, mid range game and help defense he could have been as good as Kobe.



*waits for MJ stans to get upset*

But if he did all of that, he wouldn't be GOAT, he'd be "Lucky Number 10" :confusedshrug: (yes I'm very mad right now :rolleyes: )

[Ne 1]

Prior to this years playoff run:

Finals:
Kobe has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 games
Mike has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games
Why does Kobe have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?

Playoffs: Kobe- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes
Mike- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Kobe in big games in playoffs 37-97 .360%
in game 7's 38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games.... Kobe not doing work

:oldlol: this is copy and pasted straight from Bruce Blitz's site.

[Da_Realist]

Kobe is better than Jordan is some areas offensively, but so was Reggie Miller shooting, Isiah Thomas handles, Magic passing, but not one of them has the total package MJ had.....Kobe shoots threes better than MJ, but when it counts in the playoffs/finals Kobe's numbers don''t say that. Kobe is a volume scorer/Jordan a consistent scorer....yes both when hot are ridiculous(Hell a hot Kobe may be more dangerous than a Hot Jordan, due to range), but you're going to get more consistent play/big games from MJ than Kobe.

Prior to this years playoff run:

Finals:
Kobe has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 games
Mike has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games
Why does Kobe have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?...

Playoffs: Kobe- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes
Mike- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Kobe in big games in playoffs 37-97 .360%
in game 7's 38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games.... Kobe not doing work

You don't need to waste the time to research this. Kobe just got swept out of the playoffs WITH homecourt advantage. If he had an unguardable shot, surely old ass Jason Kidd wouldn't have been able to keep him in check. Not even worth the analysis if he can't bring it in the playoffs.

[Ne 1]

But if he did all of that, he wouldn't be GOAT, he'd be "Lucky Number 10" :confusedshrug:

He's not though, but maybe if he worked on that, he could have been.

[Samurai Swoosh]

He's not though, but maybe if he worked on that, he could have been.
C'mon bro .. you have said yourself you think Jordan was GOAT. Now he isn't?

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lifjn3jWAz1qhjerpo1_400.gif

[Ne 1]

If he had an unguardable shot, surely old ass Jason Kidd wouldn't have been able to keep him in check. Not even worth the analysis if he can't bring it in the playoffs.

What does the Lakers losing to Dallas have anything to do with Kobe's fade away being being unguardable?

Old Jason Kidd? You obviously are completely clueless to how Kidd's defense works. It's predicated on position, anticipation, awareness, and very quick, strong hands. He has never been a super quick defender. What Kidd does is uses his strength and IQ to play great D more than anything else. Look at what he did to prime LeBron in the Finals. Kidd is still a very good defender. at you trying to downplay his impact by saying he's "old".

[Calabis]

:oldlol: this is copy and pasted straight from Bruce Blitz's site.

Which was copied from my you tube post I assume

[kaiiu]

MJ would be lucky to have 1 scoring title this decade

[Ne 1]

Which was copied from my you tube post I assume

Whatever you say Bruce.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Old Jason Kidd? You obviously are completely clueless to how Kidd's defense works. It's predicated on position, anticipation, awareness, and very quick, strong hands. He has never been a super quick defender. What Kidd does is uses his strength and IQ to play great D more than anything else. Look at what he did to prime LeBron in the Finals. Kidd is still a very good defender. at you trying to downplay his impact by saying he's "old".
Kidd is a very good defender. But you're inaccurate about his "quickness" ... he was a pretty quick lateral defender. But the point is Kobe, when no one else on the Lakers was really showing up in the Dallas series, didn't go all out and try to win it by carrying the team. He can't at this point in his career now. It wasn't just Gasol not showing up.

[Calabis]

C'mon bro .. you have said yourself you think Jordan was GOAT. Now he isn't?

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lifjn3jWAz1qhjerpo1_400.gif

He's bi polar...he calls Jordan a bald headed Dominique, complains about the era he played in, sux Kobe's balls then he'll say Jordan is the GOAT...he must be a she

[Ne 1]

MJ would be lucky to have 1 scoring title this decade

MJ today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYN4DbituA

[kaiiu]

MJ today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYN4DbituA
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Calabis]

Whatever you say Bruce.

Ok Vanessa, tell u'r man no hard feelings

[Calabis]

MJ today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYN4DbituA

Kobe Bryant today:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ3m5jQKLU8&feature=related

[kaiiu]

MJS FADEAWAY TODAY

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SfryhpPeXeI/AAAAAAAAKHo/nO0SIT78b9A/s320/tony+allen+stop+shooting.jpg

[Ne 1]

He's bi polar...he calls Jordan a bald headed Dominique, complains about the era he played in, sux Kobe's balls then he'll say Jordan is the GOAT...he must be a she

Nope.....I have always said that George Mikan is the GOAT.

[Ne 1]

Ok Vanessa, tell u'r man no hard feelings

Vanessa >>>>>>>> Juanita :oldlol:

[Nevaeh]

MJ would be lucky to have 1 scoring title this decade

Dude, you don't even be trying no more. Man, what happened? your posts are boring now. Start adding some "doe likes" to spice things up and lay off the weed a bit :cheers:

[Samurai Swoosh]

I have always said that George Mikan is the GOAT.
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/jeyjey34/Animated%20Gifs/charlie_murphy_laughing.gif

[Ne 1]

MJS FADEAWAY TODAY

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SfryhpPeXeI/AAAAAAAAKHo/nO0SIT78b9A/s320/tony+allen+stop+shooting.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G8CclK5pnE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqMuo12ex4

[Calabis]

You don't need to waste the time to research this. Kobe just got swept out of the playoffs WITH homecourt advantage. If he had an unguardable shot, surely old ass Jason Kidd wouldn't have been able to keep him in check. Not even worth the analysis if he can't bring it in the playoffs.

No need to research, I use to argue with Bruce against the Kobestans, I sent him statistics and article links back in the day to help his cause(trust me he already had a ton of info)...lol....u could see it started eating him up lol(why so serious)....I stopped the utube debates, came on here to talk basketball....and behold NE1(Vanessa Bryant) and his merry band of dickriders start 100 Kobe is the greatest (insert here) threads a week:oldlol: So the debunking of the myth continues..lol

[Samurai Swoosh]

Vanessa >>>>>>>> Juanita :oldlol:
Yea, but ...

http://yazmar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/micheal_jordans_girlfriend_fabulous_23_cocktail_pa rty.jpg

That's way better than Vanessa

[kaiiu]

Dude, you don't even be trying no more. Man, what happened? your posts are boring now. Start adding some "doe likes" to spice things up and lay off the weed a bit :cheers:
:lol look harder bruh

[Calabis]

Vanessa >>>>>>>> Juanita :oldlol:

Not going to argue that...its the first fact u posted all day congrats:applause:

[Ne 1]

No need to research, I use to argue with Bruce against the Kobestans, I sent him statistics and article links back in the day to help his cause(trust me he already had a ton of info)...lol....u could see it started eating him up lol(why so serious)....I stopped the utube debates, came on here to talk basketball....and behold NE1(Vanessa Bryant) and his merry band of dickriders start 100 Kobe is the greatest (insert here) threads a week:oldlol: So the debunking of the myth continues..lol

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/10/33de8e47-d6d6-4d31-ba9a-8aef5d97b2a3.jpg

[Calabis]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/10/33de8e47-d6d6-4d31-ba9a-8aef5d97b2a3.jpg

Damn is this only picture u post???

http://www.collegecharlie.com/katelyn_faber_globe1.jpeg

get over it girl, he bought u a ring right

[Ne 1]

Damn is this only picture u post???

http://www.collegecharlie.com/katelyn_faber_globe1.jpeg

get over it girl, he bought u a ring right


Yup, and the sad thing is Kobe did a better job of cheating on his wife than MJ even though his wife is a dime, while Juanita looks like Prince. :oldlol:

MJ - Got caught in legal battle and had a illegitimate kid , not too mention he had too give 50% of his earnings to his ex wife!

Kobe - caught a case...and had to settle out of court and got his wife a $4 million ring.

[Calabis]

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad177/micola82/kobe.jpg

Here you go NE1, you can be your hero all day now:oldlol:

[Calabis]

Yup, and the sad thing is Kobe did a better job of cheating on his wife than MJ even though his wife is a dime, while Juanita looks like Prince. :oldlol:

MJ - Got caught in legal battle and had a illegitimate kid , not too mention he had too give 50% of his earnings to his ex wife!

Kobe - caught a case...and had to settle out of court and got his wife a $4 million ring.

So being accused of Rape is somehow better than losing pocket change(for MJ at least)??? LOL

Oh well enjoyed the verbal jabs with u today, until next time

[Nevaeh]

:lol look harder bruh

I've been looking my man. All I see when you post now is usually:

:roll: :roll: :roll: Followed by "Tony Allen". Who the hell is Tony Allen anyway?
Sounds like the name of a singer from a 70s TV Variety Show.

[Ne 1]

Calabis aka Bruce Blitz back in the day:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5116/jordanstan.jpg

[jstern]

MJS FADEAWAY TODAY

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SfryhpPeXeI/AAAAAAAAKHo/nO0SIT78b9A/s320/tony+allen+stop+shooting.jpg

KBs FADEAWAY TODAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63TDVWnZ5K8

[Ne 1]

So being accused of Rape is somehow better than losing pocket change(for MJ at least)??? LOL

Oh well enjoyed the verbal jabs with u today, until next time

Jordan has to give up half of his earnings to his ex-wife for cheating on her, Kobe had to get his wife a $4 million dollar ring, which is truly pocket change for him.

Juanita didn't earn that money Jordan did and he has to give up half of his entire earnings to her!

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kobe Bryant is just a poor man's James Harden

[Calabis]

Here NE1 so I cn give u your fix today, very cool Kobe vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak1fjpySNwo&feature=related

[Samurai Swoosh]

Jordan has to give up half of his earnings to his ex-wife for cheating on her, Kobe had to get his wife a $4 million dollar ring, which is truly pocket change for him.
MJ got rid of her though ... Kobe's wife is sucking him dry. And she keeps looking worse and worse every year. Jordan re-upped and got a better / younger one. And you know Vanessa wears the pants in that family. She damn near controls the Lakers haha ... and she stays looking like a rat with that nose on those canine teeth. Hideous.


Juanita didn't earn that money Jordan did and he has to give up half of his entire earnings to her!
She was mother to his children, this is an extremely sexist p.o.v. ... she deserves her half.

[Calabis]

Jordan has to give up half of his earnings to his ex-wife for cheating on her, Kobe had to get his wife a $4 million dollar ring, which is truly pocket change for him.

Juanita didn't earn that money Jordan did and he has to give up half of his entire earnings to her!

So u'r not going to count how Kobe lost all his major sponsorships because of this ordeal...that was far more than pocket change

McDonald's dropped Kobe like a hot French-fried potato. Several months later, the company announced that it would not be renewing their three-year contract with Bryant, which expired at the end of 2003. Ferrero, maker of the Nutella chocolate spread, also decided to abandon their endorsement deal with the beleaguered basketball star. Coca-Cola soon followed them, pulling their Sprite ads that featured Bryant and eventually replacing him with another young NBA star, LeBron James

[Calabis]

Calabis aka Bruce Blitz back in the day:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5116/jordanstan.jpg

LMAO!!! The bad thing, is that it does look like a young BRuceblitz

[Ne 1]

[QUOTE=jstern]KBs FADEAWAY TODAY

Kobe against Jordan then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ago8kTAr7JU

Kobe against Jordan today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOv3Q0PmzjY

[Ne 1]

LMAO!!! The bad thing, is that it does look like a young BRuceblitz

It is. He posted that picture in OTC before.

[Ne 1]

So u'r not going to count how Kobe lost all his major sponsorships because of this ordeal...that was far more than pocket change

He got all his sponsors back. :pimp:

[blablabla]

MJs competition

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_g/0_groups_and_outings_canongate_boys_club_basketbal l_team_1950s.jpg


kobes competition
http://www.fantasysportsday.com/files/fantasysportsday/images/7421.jpg


da goat > poor mans tony allen

[BlueandGold]

For anyone still debating the Kobe/Jordan fadeaways... I think you can compare and contrast both and find similarities and differences but ultimately Jordan's fadeaway was better imo because he was much more physical and actually intiated the contact.
Almost similar to a great running back initiating the contact with an outside linebacker.

He would post someone up or drive to the paint and throw out an excellently timed and vicious elbow that would create a good 2 feet of separation from himself and the defender. That's why Jordan always looked open in the majority of the clips of him and his game winners. He worked tirelessly to create that space between him and his defender.

[sekachu]

Jordan can only pull his shit on one defender and okay contest...

Kobe did his on multiple defenders, on unbelieveable contest, with range.
He wasn't limited to the midrange. He faded from the 3pt line and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k&feature=related

That's what unstoppable looks like my friend.



The defender can't even stay in front of MJ or challenge his fadeaway while the defender can stay with kobe and challenge his shot most of the time, now tell me, who is more unguardable?

This is the reason why kobe's fg never as consistent as MJ's. Taking too many 3s for his highlight but at the same time he missed a lot of 3s for his highligth as well.

By the way, most of his 3s you called it unstoppable are coming from regular season where the game not matter the most and no pressure. :roll:

[dude77]

Jordan has to give up half of his earnings to his ex-wife for cheating on her, Kobe had to get his wife a $4 million dollar ring, which is truly pocket change for him.

Juanita didn't earn that money Jordan did and he has to give up half of his entire earnings to her!

that's only because kobe's bitch stayed with him .. he got lucky .. chicks are unpredictable .. she could've just as easily snapped and sent him to hell and divorced him and then she would have banked

[dude77]

what the hell is this garbage ? are you implying whites are lesser bball players ? are you ok if I tell you blacks aren't as smart as whites ?



QUOTE=blablabla]MJs competition

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_g/0_groups_and_outings_canongate_boys_club_basketbal l_team_1950s.jpg


kobes competition
http://www.fantasysportsday.com/files/fantasysportsday/images/7421.jpg


da goat > poor mans tony allen[/QUOTE]

[d.bball.guy]

KBs FADEAWAY TODAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63TDVWnZ5K8
I'm a big Kobe fan but it makes me laugh when he does the loud EYYY!

[Da_Realist]

He worked tirelessly to create that space between him and his defender.

:applause: This is the point most people are missing. Fadeaways are technically a bad shot. Rising up and shooting with control and balance will always be better than fading away from the basket. If you're gonna do it, get as close to the basket as possible to increase your odds. Shooting fadeaways from near 3pt land, unless it's to beat the clock is :wtf: even if you make a couple of them from time to time.

The reason why Jordan's fadeaways "looked" better as a Wizard was because he couldn't create as much separation as he did as a Bull and as a result had to "fade away" from the basket more. Which made the shot "look" better...but he didn't make as many of them as he did before.

[Samurai Swoosh]

The reason why Jordan's fadeaways "looked" better as a Wizard was because he couldn't create as much separation as he did as a Bull and as a result had to "fade away" from the basket more. Which made the shot "look" better...but he didn't make as many of them as he did before.
Exactly.

I don't think these kids understand a fadeaway jumper, especially one from 3 point land ... is a stupid shot.

The two people we're talking about just have the talent to pull them off.

If any of you did this in organized ball, your coach would have a fit.

It takes extroirdinary balance, and amazing leaping ability to pull of turn around fadeaways consistently.

[Bladers]

Exactly.

I don't think these kids understand a fadeaway jumper, especially one from 3 point land ... is a stupid shot.

The two people we're talking about just have the talent to pull them off.

If any of you did this in organized ball, your coach would have a fit.

It takes extroirdinary balance, and amazing leaping ability to pull of turn around fadeaways consistently.

Is that why Kobe hits it with ease in his prime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfB3d1FjhCc


Prime Kobe's Fade >>>>>>> Prime Jordan's

[Disaprine]

op is a ***

16 pages? why? :lol

[BlueandGold]

:applause: This is the point most people are missing. Fadeaways are technically a bad shot. Rising up and shooting with control and balance will always be better than fading away from the basket. If you're gonna do it, get as close to the basket as possible to increase your odds. Shooting fadeaways from near 3pt land, unless it's to beat the clock is :wtf: even if you make a couple of them from time to time.

The reason why Jordan's fadeaways "looked" better as a Wizard was because he couldn't create as much separation as he did as a Bull and as a result had to "fade away" from the basket more. Which made the shot "look" better...but he didn't make as many of them as he did before.
Exactly, which is why Jordan's FG% obliterates Kobe's FG%.. he simply was smarter and better at creating better shots. It's not like every defender who was guarding Jordan during crunch time and otherwise randomly had a defensive relapse. Jordan was facing elite defenses and shredding them apart by constantly creating great shots for himself. Creating that separation doesn't just happen by coincidence, as I stated earlier I'm sure Jordan worked on that craft for a ridiculous amount of hours.

I believe it was Jordan who even said he basically knew the amount of hours it would take to become a hall of famer (along with having talent I assume). He said he had a good estimate of how many hours he put into the gym in his career and he said it was in the upwards of tens of millions (or millions).. anyways a lot of time.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Is that why Kobe hits it with ease in his prime?

Prime Kobe's Fade >>>>>>> Prime Jordan's
Kobe hits some impressive shots, but he takes a lot of stupid shots for every ridiculous jumper you see. That's why he's a career 25 ppg 45 FG% type player. Where as MJ shot 3's when the defense gave it to him, as opposed to bailing the defense out looking to shoot those stupid difficult shots for no reason. MJ got his career 30 ppg on 50 FG%. Meaning, he didn't need to jack up 3's in massive amounts at the expense of his FG% in order to score between 25 - 30 ppg. MJ scored 8 points a quarter for his career before his Wizards days DEMOLISHED his career averages. He did this by being completely unstoppable. And he made sure to attack and get the easier shot, which makes him a more effecient weapon, as well as making his teammates better weapons because when you attack (as opposed to shooting fadeaway 3's) you make the defense commit to you and your teammates become weapons as a side effect.

Kobe makes unbelievable shots. But a lot of the time they are un-necessary and stupid. His own coaches have conceeded this before ... and it goes against Kobe's own high bball IQ that he routinely shuts down in order to take ridiculous shots.

[Bladers]

:applause: This is the point most people are missing. Fadeaways are technically a bad shot. Rising up and shooting with control and balance will always be better than fading away from the basket. If you're gonna do it, get as close to the basket as possible to increase your odds. Shooting fadeaways from near 3pt land, unless it's to beat the clock is :wtf: even if you make a couple of them from time to time.

The reason why Jordan's fadeaways "looked" better as a Wizard was because he couldn't create as much separation as he did as a Bull and as a result had to "fade away" from the basket more. Which made the shot "look" better...but he didn't make as many of them as he did before.

Then why did Kobe in his prime have so much success with fade-away threes?
Infact he had more success with it than standstill threes or leaning threes.

Another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUeL1W0z8vU

[blablabla]

what the hell is this garbage ? are you implying whites are lesser bball players ? are you ok if I tell you blacks aren't as smart as whites ?


these kids were like 15 and about 5feet this was the joke
i wasn't trying to be racist

[Bladers]

Kobe hits some impressive shots, but he takes a lot of stupid shots for every ridiculous jumper you see. That's why he's a career 25 ppg 45 FG% type player. Where as MJ shot 3's when the defense gave it to him, as opposed to bailing the defense out looking to shoot those stupid difficult shots for no reason. MJ got his career 30 ppg on 50 FG%. Meaning, he didn't need to jack up 3's in massive amounts at the expense of his FG% in order to score between 25 - 30 ppg. MJ scored 8 points a quarter for his career before his Wizards days DEMOLISHED his career averages. He did this by being completely unstoppable. And he made sure to attack and get the easier shot, which makes him a more effecient weapon, as well as making his teammates better weapons because when you attack (as opposed to shooting fadeaway 3's) you make the defense commit to you and your teammates become weapons as a side effect.

Kobe makes unbelievable shots. But a lot of the time they are un-necessary and stupid. His own coaches have conceeded this before ... and it goes against Kobe's own high bball IQ that he routinely shuts down in order to take ridiculous shots.

Yeah, that's all true but we are talking about the fade way here and which one is better. Whiles Kobe takes tough or sometimes stupid shots (like fade away threes) the point is that his fade away is trained to go through all kinds of conditions and stress.

While Jordan's can falter easily.

If you took prime peak Jordan and Prime Peak Kobe.
And put their fade away to test. Jordan will lose miserably because as the stress factor goes up, his fade away isn't built for that, so it falters.

There are two things Kobe is better than Jordan at, foot-work and the fadeaway.

Need I post more videos? Here's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvcRCCLWNp0

[Stuckey]

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/e1225d9e70a84ab474556f0751842212ed09288.gif

[catch24]

Kobe hits some impressive shots, but he takes a lot of stupid shots for every ridiculous jumper you see. That's why he's a career 25 ppg 45 FG% type player. Where as MJ shot 3's when the defense gave it to him, as opposed to bailing the defense out looking to shoot those stupid difficult shots for no reason. MJ got his career 30 ppg on 50 FG%. Meaning, he didn't need to jack up 3's in massive amounts at the expense of his FG% in order to score between 25 - 30 ppg. MJ scored 8 points a quarter for his career before his Wizards days DEMOLISHED his career averages. He did this by being completely unstoppable. And he made sure to attack and get the easier shot, which makes him a more effecient weapon, as well as making his teammates better weapons because when you attack (as opposed to shooting fadeaway 3's) you make the defense commit to you and your teammates become weapons as a side effect.

Kobe makes unbelievable shots. But a lot of the time they are un-necessary and stupid. His own coaches have conceeded this before ... and it goes against Kobe's own high bball IQ that he routinely shuts down in order to take ridiculous shots.

Definitely.

Damn near 32ppg (31.5) on 51.5% shooting as a Bull. That's what you call flawless efficiency :pimp:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Definitely.

Damn near 32ppg (31.5) on 51.5% shooting as a Bull. That's what you call flawless efficiency :pimp:
And it didn't come from him passing opportunities to score at critical moments or in high difficulty situations in order to pad his FG % cough LeBron cough

[Jacks3]

Would have been nice for Kobe to pull out that "unguardable" shot while Dallas was busy sweeping him out of the playoffs. Maybe he wants to save it for next year's regular season.
Would have been nice for Jordan to pull out that "unguardable" shot when he was getting knocked out every year before Pippen came to carry his overrated ass.

:oldlol:

[catch24]

And it didn't come from him passing opportunities to score at critical moments or in high difficulty situations in order to pad his FG % cough LeBron cough

Kinda going off the original topic, but do people truly understand how incredible MJ was? Scoring 31.5ppg (basically 32) for a season is exceptional, but for your entire career? That's Kobe's 2006-2007 season for 12+ years straight... and this is on better efficiency and productivity :oldlol:

The guy was unreal.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kinda going off the original topic, but do people truly understand how incredible MJ was? Scoring 31.5ppg (basically 32) for a season is exceptional, but for your entire career? That's Kobe's 2006-2007 season for 12+ years straight... and this is on better efficiency and productivity :oldlol:

The guy was unreal.
Exactly.

It's surreal what the guy did.

32 was his CAREER AVERAGE

Before as a 38, 39, and 40 year old he shot his averages in the foot BIG TIME.

Yet still is the all-time PPG leader.

I mean as a 40 year old he averaged 20 ppg off the bench in 2003.

:facepalm

I mean it kills his numbers, but increases his legend. A 6'6 guard averaging 20 ppg off the bench as a 40 year old? That's insane.

[Jacks3]

:roll: