Great NBA basketball player footwork videos

[Scoooter]

:oldlol: You cant lift your pivot foot then take another step though.
:roll: :roll:

[Mrofir]

this was expected...but i still laughed.

ditto

traveling is like bad grammar, people with good grammar immediately know it when they see it. Gif on the left above is a travel. partially why the shot didnt have a chance. He was like what is this as he's shooting, only lebron can travel so blatantly and not totally lose his concentration

[G-train]

:roll: :roll:

So you think you can pivot on your left foot then take a step with your right while lifting your pivot and shoot?

[G-train]

I don't see that at all. :confusedshrug:

Watch the gif then. He doesnt land simultaneously on his 2 feet, he picks up his dribble and takes 2 steps, or a jump stop with feet not landing at the same time. Then he takes another step through the defence.

[Scoooter]

So you think you can pivot on your left foot then take a step with your right while lifting your pivot and shoot?
:lol :lol

[G-train]

:lol :lol
:rolleyes: :hammerhead:

[Scoooter]

Watch the gif then. He doesnt land simultaneously on his 2 feet, he picks up his dribble and takes 2 steps, or a jump stop with feet not landing at the same time. Then he takes another step through the defence.
Jumpstops can be ambiguous because of how players integrate the gathering of the ball. I maintain that Hakeem's move was legal (and sweet).

[Scoooter]

:rolleyes: :hammerhead:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[G-train]

Jump stops are not ambiguous. You simply must land both feet at the same time.

[Fatal9]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2726214/erge-o.gif

didn't even lose the defender. this is great footwork? just aimlessly pivoting?

lol @ Kobe's move being proven legal while half of MJ's moves ITT are blatant travels. apparently planting your pivot foot didn't apply to him. they already let him shuffle a LOT before he'd make his dribble move (see first gif) but I didn't realize how much he moved his pivot feet till now. Was looking through the highlights of his Nets game in '98 because I remembered some great moves in it, but all I ended up with was travels:

http://oi56.tinypic.com/o7j23t.jpg (MJ might as well patent this travel, and this is one of the less obvious cases)

http://oi54.tinypic.com/281dduc.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/jfytl0.jpg (more obvious on baseline angle)

Kobe seems to keep it much tighter and travels a lot less.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Fatal9, didn't you swear to leave the forum forever if the Lakers lost to Dallas? What happened to that? :oldlol:

[Fatal9]

Fatal9, didn't you swear to leave the forum forever if the Lakers lost to Dallas? What happened to that? :oldlol:
I can't find that thread brah? lol @ you getting mad because of MJ's sloppy footwork.

here, watch a true footwork master at work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I

[G-train]

Most stars travel, thats the NBA. Entertainment. And I'm cool with it cos its entertaining and consistent. If you take 4 or 5 steps you get called most of the time. 3 steps? rarely.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I can't find that thread brah? lol @ you getting mad because of MJ's sloppy footwork.

here, watch a true footwork master at work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I

lmao @ "sloppy footwork" because of a few slowed down gifs, one of which isn't even a travel (the spin).

Double lmao @ your feigned ignorance regarding your vow to leave the forum if LA lost, which many people saw. :oldlol:

[Fatal9]

lmao @ "sloppy footwork" because of a few slowed down gifs, one of which isn't even a travel (the spin).
I'm talking about how much he used to shuffle his feet before putting the ball on the floor (usually coupled with a head/ball fake or jab step), not the spin.

I can see what Phil meant when he said Kobe is more skilled.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I'm talking about how much he used to shuffle his feet before putting the ball on the floor (usually coupled with a head/ball fake or jab step), not the spin.

I can see what Phil meant when he said Kobe is more skilled.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

No you're thinking of the game in 03-04. That game happened in 02-03. It's on YT. Mac destroys Bryant and Kobe immediately demands the ball, brings up court, blows by Mac and dunks on the entire Magic team. Shit was badass. :bowdown:


Didn't mac win this game with a far less talented team.. ?

[The-Legend-24]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Jordan stans delusional. :rolleyes:

[NBASTATMAN]

It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.


So I was correct on that move being funky.. I thought it was a travel as well but didn't know the exact rule.. Either way I wouldn't call it.. The league allows guys to take four steps on some plays.. :D

[Samurai Swoosh]

So I was correct on that move being funky.. I thought it was a travel as well but didn't know the exact rule.. Either way I wouldn't call it.. The league allows guys to take four steps on some plays.. :D
No, cause you're allowed to leave your feet if going up for a shot.

I maintain it's not a travel.

Especially some of these moves in real time. Sure there is slight movements on a lot of these players feet, especially in SLOW motion.

But nothing concrete enough in real time for it to be noticeable ... thus not being a real travel.

It's not as blatant and glaring as people with terrible foot work, such as LeBron James, where you can clearly point it out in real time, etc.

[NBASTATMAN]

No, cause you're allowed to leave your feet if going up for a shot.

I maintain it's not a travel.

Especially some of these moves in real time. Sure there is slight movements on a lot of these players feet, especially in SLOW motion.

But nothing concrete enough in real time for it to be noticeable ... thus not being a real travel.

It's not as blatant and glaring as people with terrible foot work, such as LeBron James, where you can clearly point it out in real time, etc.


Can someone send this over to the NBA REF DEPT? IT would be cool to find out if it was a walk or not.. Not that I care it was a nice move..

[Samurai Swoosh]

Can someone send this over to the NBA REF DEPT? IT would be cool to find out if it was a walk or not.. Not that I care it was a nice move..
LOL ... not that serious. A lot of these moves can be subjective depending on how tight you wanna get on the rule book. I believe if it's not an OBNOXIOUS travel ... let these boys cook.

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe's footwork is just :bowdown:

[N0Skillz]

Wow........


Kobe's footwork is just :eek: :eek: :eek:


My ankles would never talk to me again if I ever tried that shit.

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe was dong all that shit since he came into the league at 17 :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Loco getting owned by Fatal again. :applause:

[brownmamba00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related

Beginning of this vid. :bowdown:
I used to love the Kobe vs Tmac match-ups. It was far more exciting then Bron vs Kobe, Wade vs Bron, Kobe vs Wade, etc...

[Disaprine]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif

i remember this, tmac was something back, ****ing injuries :facepalm in the very next play kobe gets him back by making one of his best dunks of all time. great times to be a fan.

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related

Beginning of this vid. :bowdown:
Yea, good post. Brings back memories. Kobe traveled quite a few times in that game.

:(

[Samurai Swoosh]

i remember this, tmac was something back then.
From 2000 - 2005 he was something else.

And even during that stretch he had so many issues with his back.

[brownmamba00]

^^^
:roll: @ 'he throws it down on the entire state of Florida'

[NBASTATMAN]

I used to love the Kobe vs Tmac match-ups. It was far more exciting then Bron vs Kobe, Wade vs Bron, Kobe vs Wade, etc...


I remember Phil saying that Tmac was great after that game.. He was a great one but his back really took away alot of his explosion even before he went over to Houston ..

[brownmamba00]

I remember Phil saying that Tmac was great after that game.. He was a great one but his back really took away alot of his explosion even before he went over to Houston ..

Yeah it's a shame really. One of the best scorers who ever played the game nonetheless.

[NBASTATMAN]

LOL ... not that serious. A lot of these moves can be subjective depending on how tight you wanna get on the rule book. I believe if it's not an OBNOXIOUS travel ... let these boys cook.


Being a fan of the game I want to know if that is a travel or not.. Obviously nothing about bball is serious but it is something that should be cleared..

[Gunnin4HoLeS]

This is GOAT footwork....

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/BigM211/CrabDribble.gif
:applause: :bowdown: :roll:

[I.R.Beast]

the other master...

http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg

just your center facing up from the three point line and faking the hell out of the defenders to split a double team
definately a travel...his pivot foot left the floor before he jumped...after a move like that he must jump off of either both feet or off of his pivot foot

[catch24]

definately a travel...his pivot foot left the floor before he jumped...after a move like that he must jump off of either both feet or off of his pivot foot

:facepalm

[MaxFly]

if you're gonna post don't make it more than one gif at a time, do not want the page to take forever to load because of a billion gifs. basically a footwork appreciation thread.

let me start off with the master:

http://s3.tinypic.com/1zey54x_th.jpg

practiced this move all last summer with mild success.

Great move if you can do it without the travel as depicted in the gif...

[catch24]

I know ... let it go, bro. By the way, that wasn't even close to a travel when McGrady shook Bryant with the fake spin move.

You didn't see the white text did you? :D

[N0Skillz]

Sticky This thread its great

[ZaaaaaH]

Basketball traveling rules: http://vimeo.com/395653

Starting at 5:45 you have two detailed plays where the players established their pivot foot, then jumped off the other one to release a shot. Both shots are considered legal.

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/11062707085249475.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070917308011.gif

Assuming the rules regarding the pivot foot are the same between the NBA and FIBA, Kobe's play is totally legal.
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif


Ya fucccking serious? How long ya gonna chat about something this EZ.

They are travels Because they dribble stop and lift his piv foot before the other foot THAT is why its a travel. You can NOT lift ur piv foot before the other foot is in the air or at the same time.

Simple as that.

[N0Skillz]

Ya fucccking serious? How long ya gonna chat about something this EZ.

They are travels Because they dribble stop and lift his piv foot before the other foot THAT is why its a travel. You can NOT lift ur piv foot before the other foot is in the air or at the same time.

Simple as that.


show me the rule.

[Phong]

You can NOT lift ur piv foot before the other foot is in the air or at the same time.Where does it say so in the rule book?

IGOTGAME provided a few videos showing how to learn the move. I posted a video made for basketball officials and describing in detail what is legal and what is not.

What do you have to back up your opinion?

[ZaaaaaH]

show me the rule.

How many times do I have to own ya kids who never even picked up a basketball.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Footwork.html

Fucccking kids leagues know this shiiit

READ

[bagelred]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2656763/dirk-dancing-o.gif

[Phong]

How many times do I have to own ya kids who never even picked up a basketball.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Footwork.html

Fucccking kids leagues know this shiiit

READMoron, the traveling rules in your little webpage is the same text that's available on the NBA page. And again it says absolutely nothing about having to jump off two feet or off your pivot foot. :facepalm

What is says:

3. After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

Which is exactly what the video I posted says:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg


So where does it say you have to jump off your pivot foot or both feet?

[N0Skillz]

How many times do I have to own ya kids who never even picked up a basketball.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Footwork.html

Fucccking kids leagues know this shiiit

READ


From your own ****ing website.

3. After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:

a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;


Your a ****ing moron that has never played basketball.

[Doranku]

ITT we argue about every gif and whether it's a travel or not. :facepalm

[ZaaaaaH]

From your own ****ing website.

3. After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:

a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;


Your a ****ing moron that has never played basketball.


AMAZING HOW DUMB FUCCCKING THESE TWO Are.

NO SHIIIT YOU FUCCCCK THAT IS THE FUCCCKING RULES and if you watch the CLIP they BOTH LIFT UP there PIV FOOT BEFORE The OTHER FOOT you ****S.

PIV FOOT CAN NOT BE LIFTED BEFORE THE OTHER FOOT YOU ****ING RETARDS because ITS UR FUCCCKING PIV FOOT. WOW AMAZING HOW THESE DUMB INTERNET KIDS Dont understand Basketball and gonna fucccking act like they know shiit because the fucccking RULE BOOK dont show you fucccking pictures or tell you fucccking STEP BY STEP. ANY FUCCCKING OFFICIAL League will tell you its a fucccking Travel dumb asss.

[catch24]

AMAZING HOW DUMB FUCCCKING THESE TWO Are.

NO SHIIIT YOU FUCCCCK THAT IS THE FUCCCKING RULES and if you watch the CLIP they BOTH LIFT UP there PIV FOOT BEFORE The OTHER FOOT you ****S.

PIV FOOT CAN NOT BE LIFTED BEFORE THE OTHER FOOT YOU ****ING RETARDS because ITS UR FUCCCKING PIV FOOT. WOW AMAZING HOW THESE DUMB INTERNET KIDS Dont understand Basketball and gonna fucccking act like they know shiit because the fucccking RULE BOOK dont show you fucccking pictures or tell you fucccking STEP BY STEP. ANY FUCCCKING OFFICIAL League will tell you its a fucccking Travel dumb asss.

:roll:

[Phong]

ANY FUCCCKING OFFICIAL League will tell you its a fucccking Travel dumb asss.:facepalm

Did you even ****ing watch the video I posted and from which Basketball organization it came from? You know better than refs themselves?

[ZaaaaaH]

3 dumb retards right here.

If you look at Kobes Gif

He lift his Piv and still has the other foot on ground THAT IS THE SAMETHING as Changing ur PIV FOOT.

WOW How fucccking hard is that to understand?

YA that Retarded or That MAD?

[ZaaaaaH]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/LOL.gif

Cute little boy

You mad?

[Phong]

3 dumb retards right here.

If you look at Kobes Gif

He lift his Piv and still has the other foot on ground THAT IS THE SAMETHING as Changing ur PIV FOOT.

WOW How fucccking hard is that to understand?

YA that Retarded or That MAD?If you look at the Guideline For Officials video it specifically says that the play is legal as long as the ball is released before landing on the pivot foot again.

Here's a video of the move taught a Ganon Baker's academy:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628040318154717.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83552NrHUwY

Ganon Baker Basketball is a Basketball Services Company, sponsored by Nike. Ganon Baker Basketball has worked closely with Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Vince Carter, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Deron Williams at each of their Skill Academies and has trained multiple NBA stars such as Chris Paul, Jerryd Bayless, Kevin Durant and Amare Stoudemire to name a few.


What have you proven so far?

[Phong]

Here's a play made right in front of the ref:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628041116190827.gif

Conclusion? Totally legal.


Here's what we have: an official video saying the play is legal, actual game footage were the play is allowed, and mutliples videos of people teaching the move.

And what do we have on the other side of the argument? Guys screaming "you ****ing kidz you dumbz I know cos I play the game and u don't".

[ZaaaaaH]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/8.jpg

http://erroraccessdenied.com/files/images/you_still_mad.jpg

[Sroek]

How was that not a travel? :confusedshrug:

Do you understand the rules of basketball?

[ZaaaaaH]

Here's a play made right in front of the ref:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628041116190827.gif

Conclusion? Totally legal.


Here's what we have: an official video saying the play is legal, actual game footage were the play is allowed, and mutliples videos of people teaching the move.

And what do we have on the other side of the argument? Guys screaming "you ****ing kidz you dumbz I know cos I play the game and u don't".


Like I said from the get Some refs call it and some refs dont bottom line its a travel unless they jump with BOTH FEET.

[ZaaaaaH]

If you look at the Guideline For Officials video it specifically says that the play is legal as long as the ball is released before landing on the pivot foot again.

Here's a video of the move taught a Ganon Baker's academy:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628040318154717.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83552NrHUwY

Ganon Baker Basketball is a Basketball Services Company, sponsored by Nike. Ganon Baker Basketball has worked closely with Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Vince Carter, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Deron Williams at each of their Skill Academies and has trained multiple NBA stars such as Chris Paul, Jerryd Bayless, Kevin Durant and Amare Stoudemire to name a few.


What have you proven so far?

He is a trainer not a fuccking rule official.

[Phong]

He is a trainer not a fuccking rule official.The guy makes a living teaching basketball skills to NBA pros.

You must be ****ing dense. :facepalm

Guidelines for Officials: Traveling (http://vimeo.com/395653) start at 5:45. So what is that? A homemade backyard video?

What about you? Are you a rule official? Bottom line, you have absolutely nothing to back up your opinion.

[N0Skillz]

The guy makes a living teaching basketball skills to NBA pros.

You must be ****ing dense. :facepalm

Guidelines for Officials: Traveling (http://vimeo.com/395653) start at 5:45. So what is that? A homemade backyard video?

What about you? Are you a rule official? Bottom line, you have absolutely nothing to back up your opinion.


He's a ****ing moron that has probably never played basketball in his life. When you lift your pivot foot you don't change your pivot foot.

He's a ****ing child that can't read.

[MavAlbert]

After reading this thread 2 times and watching all of the videos, the step through is a legal move and is not a travel. Zaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah is wrong.

[PistonsFan#21]

If you jump of your non pivot foot its like you take an extra step. Whats so hard to understand?

It doesnt say in the rule book that you have to jump of your pivot foot but thats because they already mention that you can't take more than 2 steps. Jumping of your non pivot will make it 3 steps.

[Phong]

It doesnt say in the rule book that you have to jump of your pivot foot but thats because they already mention that you can't take more than 2 steps. Jumping of your non pivot will make it 3 steps.Your pivot is your first step after picking up your dribble. All the little moves you make around your pivot don't count as steps because you never lifted the pivot. Once you plant your non-pivot foot and lift the pivot, you don't switch pivot, you just made the second step after picking up your dribble. At that point you can't do nothing else than pass or shoot.

That's what the rules mean when they say you have to pass or shoot before your pivot comes back down because if you don't, it would be a third step.

[N0Skillz]

If you jump of your non pivot foot its like you take an extra step. Whats so hard to understand?

It doesnt say in the rule book that you have to jump of your pivot foot but thats because they already mention that you can't take more than 2 steps. Jumping of your non pivot will make it 3 steps.


You can lift your pivot foot to go for a shot or pass, the ball just can't be in your hands when you land.

[catch24]

If you jump of your non pivot foot its like you take an extra step. Whats so hard to understand?

It doesnt say in the rule book that you have to jump of your pivot foot but thats because they already mention that you can't take more than 2 steps. Jumping of your non pivot will make it 3 steps.

Man up and admit you were wrong, scrub.

[cteach111]

i don't even know what it means to "change pivots". I never heard of that before.

[Phong]

i don't even know what it means to "change pivots". I never heard of that before.Yeah technically you don't change pivot, you just travel.

Travel:
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/1106280538585913.gif

What he does is pick up his dribble and plant his pivot (1) as his first step. He pivots, then when he lifts his pivot foot, the non-pivot foot becomes the second step (2). So far according to the rule, everything is fine as long as he passes or shoot now.

Since he plants his original pivot back down with the ball still in his hands, he took his third step (3). He should be called for a travel right there. When he spins around and jumps he took a fourth step (4).

Legal play: 2 steps
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628060934110142.gif


That's the way I would logically count the steps. If somebody has another interpretation.

[JM720]

http://ploader.net/files/9bcdd6a42d39be6841c40656c1c4f61e.gif

[IGOTGAME]

Man up and admit you were wrong, scrub.

I find it funny that Loki wouldn't admit he was wrong. Shut him down in this thread. Told him from first sight that it was legit and explained exactly why 15 pages ago. Luckily, he refused the avy the bet.:roll:

[Phong]

O.J. Mayo, Bill Walker, Chris Douglas-Roberts, DaJuan Wagner being instructed by Mike Procopio and Tim Grover of the A.T.T.A.C.K. Athletics Training Center in Chicago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ_5IspZmx8&t=4m0shttp://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081408367828.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081525982805.gif

[hitmanyr2k]

If you look at the Guideline For Officials video it specifically says that the play is legal as long as the ball is released before landing on the pivot foot again.

Here's a video of the move taught a Ganon Baker's academy:
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628040318154717.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83552NrHUwY

Ganon Baker Basketball is a Basketball Services Company, sponsored by Nike. Ganon Baker Basketball has worked closely with Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Vince Carter, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Deron Williams at each of their Skill Academies and has trained multiple NBA stars such as Chris Paul, Jerryd Bayless, Kevin Durant and Amare Stoudemire to name a few.

Who says

What have you proven so far?

That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed.

Notice the pivot foot and the off foot always leave the floor simultaneously.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7568/pippenlowblock4.gif

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6861/pippenlowblock2.gif

[hitmanyr2k]

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081408367828.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081525982805.gif

Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now. This is a freakin league that lets players get away with 3-4 steps these days. I wouldn't be surprised if trainers just said **** it and adapted :oldlol:

[Xsatyr]

Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now. This is a freakin league that lets players get away with 3-4 steps these days. I wouldn't be surprised if trainers just said **** it and adapted :oldlol:

It is allowed in Euroleague as well, many players from Europe even struggle with travelling when coming to the NBA.

I love threads like these bc they expose the level of knowledge posters have.

[Phong]

That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed. Then show me evidences that you must jump off two feet. Whether it's written in the rule book, plays where a travel is called, videos where the move is explained or else. So far the only thing you have done is say that you've always been taught this or that.

Now clarify this for me. Since the first foot you plant after picking up your dribble is your pivot foot and your first step, and you're allowed two steps, why do you keep talking about extra steps and switching pivot? How do you count the steps?

That move is basically a running layup with extra "jab moves" in between the two steps.

Notice how the rule book says the "pivot foot may be lifted" and not "you must jump off the pivot foot for a shot attempt".


Notice the pivot foot and the off foot always leave the floor simultaneously. And I can show you many videos where it's not the case. That doesn't prove anything.

Btw, your third gif he jumps off one foot.
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628065916979822.jpg


Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now.The move is also legal in international competitions.

Stern has nothing to do with this. I guess Stern has become the guy in the shadows that is blamed for everything that goes against your own belief.

[N0Skillz]

http://ploader.net/files/9bcdd6a42d39be6841c40656c1c4f61e.gif



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

THIS IS ART

[Maniak]

I haven't read through the whole thread, but good stuff.

Thanks for posting.

[N0Skillz]

Mooooooooooooore GIFS

[Jacks3]

http://ploader.net/files/9bcdd6a42d39be6841c40656c1c4f61e.gif
:bowdown:

[N0Skillz]

:bowdown:


how the fck does he stop so fast

[imlmf]

:facepalm


it is brah, he switched his pivot foot from right to the left

[Finn T-Mac]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?

This :rockon:

[Da KO King]

The inability of some to recognize when a rule is legally stretched without being broken is a constant part of this game's evolution.

After learning the "euro-step" from Rafer Alston in 1996 I started using it in parks and tournaments that summer. The first two times I got called for a travel. The third time the ref let it go and the opposing coach went ballistic. During a deadball the ref explained, "it' looks stupid as hell but its only two steps". LOL

[gblz]

That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed.

I'll admit that when I first saw the GIF I thought it was a travel too. But after looking at the rules closer and looking at all the videos posted, it's not a travel.

If you want to count the steps, look at it this way:
Once you pick up your dribble, your first step is the pivot foot. At this point, you can pivot around all you want, but just think of it as the person still being on his/her first step. After you lift your pivot foot, you have now taken 2 steps. Now, you can stand on one leg/shoot/pass or whatever without landing back on the pivot foot (hence the step-through move).

If the person's pivot foot lands back down with the ball still in possession, then you count that as step #3. Basically, you don't have to jump off both feet, but your lifted pivot foot can't land back down with the ball.

[monkeypox]

This whole debate is why I don't take fans complaining about refs very seriously. A vast majority don't even know about the rules they're complaining about. Just look at the number of people that are dead certain that Kobe play is a travel.

[Da KO King]

This whole debate is why I don't take fans complaining about refs very seriously. A vast majority don't even know about the rules they're complaining about. Just look at the number of people that are dead certain that Kobe play is a travel.
Excellent point :applause: Never even considered that angle.

[Phong]

I'll admit that when I first saw the GIF I thought it was a travel too. But after looking at the rules closer and looking at all the videos posted, it's not a travel.

If you want to count the steps, look at it this way:
Once you pick up your dribble, your first step is the pivot foot. At this point, you can pivot around all you want, but just think of it as the person still being on his/her first step. After you lift your pivot foot, you have now taken 2 steps. Now, you can stand on one leg/shoot/pass or whatever without landing back on the pivot foot (hence the step-through move).

If the person's pivot foot lands back down with the ball still in possession, then you count that as step #3. Basically, you don't have to jump off both feet, but your lifted pivot foot can't land back down with the ball.There's no point trying to explain anything to him. I've made a detailed step by step break down of the move with the step count on the previous page, and instead of coming back and admitting his mistakes he just disappeared.

That's what they all do. Call it a travel despite all the video evidences and rule book, add a laughing smiley to pretend they are laughing at people's "stupidity", say that they have years of balling behind them but when challenged to provide any proof or explain how they count steps they suddenly disappear.

[IGOTGAME]

It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.

lmao @ IGOTGAME. Learn how to play the game. :oldlol: The rule you posted is not an exhaustive explanation of every circumstance that constitutes a travel. It's a rule for ONE situation. There are many others.


@DaKOKING, the worst part is when to "learn to play the game."

Also, I used to do a lot pivot moves on the block...but it is frustrating that I cannot do all of that stuff at the parks(without real refs) due to people who don't understand the rules.

[FourthTenor]

This is GOAT footwork....

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/BigM211/CrabDribble.gif


:roll:

[gengiskhan]

how the fck does he stop so fast

by studying MJ's game 1995-1998. MJ did stuff like this frequently which was very close to travel. But this one is travel.

[gengiskhan]

how the fck does he stop so fast

This is amateur stuff.

watch @ 8:35

"Stop on a dime" Pull Up fadeaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BztuspM7TNE)

Here is a real MJ "stop on a dime" fadeaway jumper. :bowdown:

notice he is penetrating at speed & fadeaway pull up on a dime. :bowdown:

[gengiskhan]

"Unmatchable" footwork off the corner. Its the footwork that sets up escape dribble & dunk.

I've never seen anyone even attempt this one let alone copy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE

[wpdougie2180]

Yeah technically you don't change pivot, you just travel.

Travel:
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/1106280538585913.gif

What he does is pick up his dribble and plant his pivot (1) as his first step. He pivots, then when he lifts his pivot foot, the non-pivot foot becomes the second step (2). So far according to the rule, everything is fine as long as he passes or shoot now.

Since he plants his original pivot back down with the ball still in his hands, he took his third step (3). He should be called for a travel right there. When he spins around and jumps he took a fourth step (4).

Legal play: 2 steps
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628060934110142.gif


That's the way I would logically count the steps. If somebody has another interpretation.

Question why does his real second step not count to you he clearly stops on a 1-2 then steps threw but you don't count his second step why again? Just asking for a simple explanation for some reason that other step he takes doesn't count for some imaginary reason?

He actually goes 1,2 step threw 3 but your just ignoring 2 like it does't exist

[The-Legend-24]

great footwork right here
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/uYK4YoDyGP8sI4ShPv6jGRuc3.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[brownmamba00]

by studying MJ's game 1995-1998. MJ did stuff like this frequently which was very close to travel. But this one is travel.
I guess working out with Hakeem has nothing to do with it.
He probably watched some Michael Jordan tapes yea thats sounds logical :facepalm GTFO

[CeltsGarlic]

you know we can't have a footwork thread without this guy...

http://i53.tinypic.com/r1yfiw.jpg


mobley goes weeeeeee


Dat was PERFECT! I mean :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Phong]

He actually goes 1,2 step threw 3 but your just ignoring 2 like it does't existHis 1 is his pivot foot. Then what you consider a second step is a jab. If he wanted he could do 50 jabs while his pivot foot is still stationary. That would still be one step.

When he planted his right foot forward it's still not a step until he lifted his pivot foot. When he lifts his pivot, the "jab" automatically became his second step. That's when the rule book comes in and says you can lift your pivot but you have to shoot or pass before it comes back down. If you put your original pivot down, it becomes the third step.

[LeFraud James]

by studying MJ's game 1995-1998. MJ did stuff like this frequently which was very close to travel. But this one is travel.

:oldlol:

Quit hanging off MJ's nuts, they're about to scrape the sidewalk.

[millwad]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2785402/kobe-falls-o.gif

[Jacks3]

:oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2785402/kobe-falls-o.gif
LOL ... I almost forgot completely about that ... mimmicking MJ no less.

:oldlol:

[G-Funk]

Kobe stans win!

[gengiskhan]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2785402/kobe-falls-o.gif

notice the tongue coming out when Kobe is just about to fall.

Why would you further mimick MJ when the initial mimick didnt work. :facepalm

[ImmortalD24]

Yeah technically you don't change pivot, you just travel.

Travel:
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/1106280538585913.gif

What he does is pick up his dribble and plant his pivot (1) as his first step. He pivots, then when he lifts his pivot foot, the non-pivot foot becomes the second step (2). So far according to the rule, everything is fine as long as he passes or shoot now.

Since he plants his original pivot back down with the ball still in his hands, he took his third step (3). He should be called for a travel right there. When he spins around and jumps he took a fourth step (4).

Legal play: 2 steps
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628060934110142.gif


That's the way I would logically count the steps. If somebody has another interpretation.In the NBA if you switch you pivot foot, it is a travel. That gif is a travel on the basis of a player's pivot foot being swtiched. You either have to jump of both feet after a move, or off your pivot foot you cant take another step. You are misreading that 'piont of emphasis' and your argument is nothing more than sophistry.

[N0Skillz]

In the NBA if you switch you pivot foot, it is a travel. That gif is a travel on the basis of a player's pivot foot being swtiched. You either have to jump of both feet after a move, or off your pivot foot you cant take another step. You are misreading that 'piont of emphasis' and your argument is nothing more than sophistry.



It is only possible to have one pivot foot.

[Swaggin916]

In the NBA if you switch you pivot foot, it is a travel. That gif is a travel on the basis of a player's pivot foot being swtiched. You either have to jump of both feet after a move, or off your pivot foot you cant take another step. You are misreading that 'piont of emphasis' and your argument is nothing more than sophistry.

Yea that Gif is a travel. If he leaped off 2 feet it wouldn't have been he lifts his pivot foot therefore it's a travel. I mean honestly it's no different really than taking 2 steps in motion and jumping off one leg, but once you have come to a stop, you can't lift that pivot foot.

[Phong]

In the NBA if you switch you pivot foot, it is a travel. That gif is a travel on the basis of a player's pivot foot being swtiched. You either have to jump of both feet after a move, or off your pivot foot you cant take another step. You are misreading that 'piont of emphasis' and your argument is nothing more than sophistry.Show me one single reliable source that says it is a travel. 24 pages and nobody has been able to provide a single evidence; only some guys saying "believe me it is a travel".

According to the rule book and multiple videos posted in the previous pages, this is a legal move. If you looked at the video where the "point of emphasis" was taken from, you would know there is no misreading anything. The video was made for officials, the play is explained step-by-step and considered legal.

[Kiarip]

In the NBA if you switch you pivot foot, it is a travel. That gif is a travel on the basis of a player's pivot foot being swtiched. You either have to jump of both feet after a move, or off your pivot foot you cant take another step. You are misreading that 'piont of emphasis' and your argument is nothing more than sophistry.

No.

and


Yea that Gif is a travel. If he leaped off 2 feet it wouldn't have been he lifts his pivot foot therefore it's a travel. I mean honestly it's no different really than taking 2 steps in motion and jumping off one leg, but once you have come to a stop, you can't lift that pivot foot.

No.


You can lift your pivot foot off the ground, but you can not place it back on the ground until you pass/shoot or lose the ball.

go to nba.com read the rules it's there, it was also quoted earlier on in this thread.

The refs make up w.e rules they want though.

[Ronaldinho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuoiNst5_ag&feature=related

Lebron amazing footwork.I dont have the gif :oldlol:

[LBJFTW]

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628060934110142.gif

From the NBA rule book Rule No. 4--Definitions, Section VIII--Pivot

A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the floor. Using the video, the pivot is marked as #1.

If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, (which in the video he clearly raises #1 off the floor, as the jab step comes down marked as #2) he must pass or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor. If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

Notice in the video that the shot goes up before #1 returns to the floor. It doesn't matter if #2 is used as a jab step and is placed on the ground or if it gets jumped off of, or if #1and#2 are both jumped off of. As long as the ball is out of the players hands before the established pivot (#1) hits the floor again it is not a traveling violation.

This is a step though move, it is completely legal, and regardless if it's pulled off a reverse pivot or not, the mechanics are the same.

Phong is correct.

As for the confusion on the jump stop, a player drives to the basket, gathers the ball early, clearly jumps off one foot and lands simultaneously with both feet (jump stop). What are his options?

The player may jump to pass or shoot but is not allowed to pivot or “step through”.

[Ronaldinho]

Greatest thread ever. :bowdown:

24 pages of greatness

[PHILA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h9vJRYaXjE&t=1m33s

[Angel Face]

# 2 best thread ever after my The Artistry of Post Move (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322596) thread. Good job OP!

[La Frescobaldi]

Great breakdown of one of the most unstoppable post players in the L....

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/8/4767934/nikola-pekovic-minnesota-timberwolves-nba-2013

It's what he does before he gets the pass that makes him so great