Great NBA basketball player footwork videos

[Fatal9]

if you're gonna post don't make it more than one gif at a time, do not want the page to take forever to load because of a billion gifs. basically a footwork appreciation thread.

let me start off with the master:

http://s3.tinypic.com/1zey54x_th.jpg

practiced this move all last summer with mild success.

[Fatal9]

the other master...

http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg

just your center facing up from the three point line and faking the hell out of the defenders to split a double team

[HB40TheNextStar]

http://www7.pic-upload.de/24.06.11/k4skl7uiipfm.gif

[JGXEN]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif

[Kblaze8855]

Made this a couple years ago when I saw it during some old NBA action show I was skimming:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn45/kblaze888555/Hakeem.gif

[Fatal9]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif
this was expected...but i still laughed.

[magnax1]

Is there a place to convert youtube vids into gifs?

[Fatal9]

^^ ulead gif maker is the quickest easiest way for me, as for website i think gifsoup does it


Made this a couple years ago when I saw it during some old NBA action show I was skimming:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn45/kblaze888555/Hakeem.gif
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/38569/3379863782_4a11e95cdc_o.jpg

[Fatal9]

you know we can't have a footwork thread without this guy...

http://i53.tinypic.com/r1yfiw.jpg


mobley goes weeeeeee

[Rowe]

the other master...

http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg

just your center facing up from the three point line and faking the hell out of the defenders to split a double team

How was that not a travel? :confusedshrug:

[d.bball.guy]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif
:bowdown:

[pete's montreux]

How was that not a travel? :confusedshrug:
He never lifts his pivot foot.

on second thought, it looks like he does lift his right leg before the ball is out of his hands

[G-train]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif

Yeah and he still kicked the Celtics ass.


BTW Olajuwon had great footwork but took 3 or 4 steps very often. Like literally 10-15 times per game. But he knew he could get away with it so he kept doing it.

[G-train]

if you're gonna post don't make it more than one gif at a time, do not want the page to take forever to load because of a billion gifs. basically a footwork appreciation thread.

let me start off with the master:

http://s3.tinypic.com/1zey54x_th.jpg

practiced this move all last summer with mild success.

Travel - dragged his pivot foot clearly.

But yeah he was the master this is just a bad example.

[G-train]

you know we can't have a footwork thread without this guy...

http://i53.tinypic.com/r1yfiw.jpg


mobley goes weeeeeee

Kobe has the best footwork I have seen in 30 years.

[d.bball.guy]

Travel - dragged his pivot foot clearly.

But yeah he was the master this is just a bad example.
I agree, it's a travel.

[G-train]

Dwyane Wade gif coming, guy has brilliant footwork.

[G-train]

http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/wadegarnett.gif

[Scoooter]

That Olajuwon .gif isn't a travel.

[SCdac]

this is like 2006 Duncan. still in his prime but not quite at his "peak" agility/quickness wise

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/duncan-move-8.gif

[G-train]

That Olajuwon .gif isn't a travel.

Not called one in the NBA but technically it is.

He takes 2.5 steps minimum, possibly 3 (its borderline).

[G-train]

this is like 2006 Duncan. still in his prime but not quite at his "peak" agility/quickness wise

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/duncan-move-8.gif

Against 76er C-webb so doesnt count :cheers:
j/k

He had elite footwork from his first season.

[Bogus_Sting]

Not called one in the NBA but technically it is.

He takes 2.5 steps minimum, possibly 3 (its borderline).

G-Train, you been drinking tonight bro? How can you take 2.5 steps?

[G-train]

G-Train, you been drinking tonight bro? How can you take 2.5 steps?

Nah, half a step is an old school term in bball coaching, when you pick up the ball as you step. Its not a defined pick up dribble then 2 steps, its when you are taking a step and pick up the ball at the same time, then take another 2 steps. Its a travel technically but happens all the time in the NBA.

[Phong]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

[Phong]

http://nsa23.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073828342869.gif

[Fatal9]

lol @ pedantic people complaining about a 1 inch slide of the pivot foot or maybe an extra half step. like that's ever called or even possible to tell in real time. if the other team isn't complaining/doesn't see it, i'm not going to either.


anyways...

http://oi55.tinypic.com/6itd6u.jpg

[Phong]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020072344174800.gif

[G-train]

pedantic/purist... its a grey area. Wade frequently does the above Kobe turnaround move as well.

[Fatal9]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020072344174800.gif
I love this step through move. You have to be so quick and fluid to pull it off.

[Phong]

http://nsa23.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020084916741524.gif

[N0Skillz]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020072344174800.gif


that was just.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[thejumpa]

I'd walk off the court in embarassment if I ever got faked that hard. Some of these gifs are ridiculous.

More gifs please...

[Haymaker]

Any Steve Nash gifs? :rockon:

[Phong]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/10102105464290108.gif

[Phong]

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624091927890830.gif

[Phong]

Any Steve Nash gifs? :rockon:
http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624092722660384.gif

[Darkthug]

Some sick stuff for sure. :applause:

[Phong]

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624092816494551.gif

[Fatal9]

http://i56.tinypic.com/1493tyd.jpg

[Scoooter]

Nah, half a step is an old school term in bball coaching, when you pick up the ball as you step. Its not a defined pick up dribble then 2 steps, its when you are taking a step and pick up the ball at the same time, then take another 2 steps. Its a travel technically but happens all the time in the NBA.
He makes a jumpstop, pivots, and then lays it in. It's not even close to a travel. That wouldn't be called in any league.

[Phong]

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif

[Micku]

This thread needs James Worthy! :D

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2709862/s132s2-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709868/3e132e-o.gif

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2709879/12w-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709882/12w12-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2709887/21w1-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2709893/1212-o.gif

[Batz]

http://nsa23.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073828342869.gif
I tried that. My ankle and I didn't speak for several weeks.

[The Judge]

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif

Oh my.

[Toizumi]

Somebody please make some Paul Pierce gifs. He doesnt get mentioned often enough when it comes to footwork.
Pierce isn't quick at all, but has always been very deceptive and great at creating space and getting to the rim.

[catch24]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif

Reverse pivot--favorite move of his. Been trying this for a couple years now and it still looks mad sloppy lol.

[brownmamba00]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: @ the Hakeem gifs and the one with Kobe in the USA game

Some prime Shaq gifs would be nice imo

[Harison]

Kobe has the best footwork I have seen in 30 years.
Really? :wtf: I have seen better, plenty.

[PHILA]

Thurmond


http://s1.postimage.org/of8cci98i/ug09d20e.gif

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif

Reverse pivot--favorite move of his. Been trying this for a couple years now and it still looks mad sloppy lol.
I made fun of my boy Wilson so bad for that one too ...

I pull this out @ the gym and people are like ...

:mad:

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif

Watch the two dumb people in the stands (white t-shirts) motion for a traveling charge.

:facepalm

So many idiot fans don't know the rules of the game.

[NugzHeat3]

http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/N7VqNIHAQwej4enWXSvcMl0RW.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/LYOeJYtcFan1kbaRjub4DpupJ.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/DzoNyA9bdTwWmHijFm23TtLF.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/BZ446t2lDNYsP2pRzQCHlKRph.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/QsWeZLYlxaet1o99drM7IwQp4.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/0qMlTbyTuZwWhx4Tha3Ojrobq.gif
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/xr9mJjQGbksseQKRz3y6orEqS.gif
http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/wadegarnett.gif

[knightfall88]

i have never seen anyone do the reverse pivot like kobe does

[Phong]

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

[Rysio]

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PistonsFan#21]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

thats a travel you idiot

[Samurai Swoosh]

thats a travel you idiot
:facepalm

[andgar923]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2711798/mj-footwork-vs-kobe-o.gif

[Fatal9]

magic

http://i54.tinypic.com/2isf6sy.jpg

would trip over and fall if i tried this on the fly

[stax]

One thing Hakeem and Kobe have in common: played a lot of soccer as kids... I believe it helps, speaking from experience (I'm British and played soccer almost daily before eventually playing basketball daily in my teens).

[Samurai Swoosh]

One thing Hakeem and Kobe have in common: played a lot of soccer as kids... I believe it helps, speaking from experience
Helped me too ...

[Fatal9]

that fake spin was so damn quick in the early 90s, rodman does a good job recovering but he was lost for a minute

http://i52.tinypic.com/23iw9ea.jpg

[Fatal9]

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2e1ekh3.jpg

[thejumpa]

Anything from Melo or Pierce?

[Ronaldinho]

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause: :applause: :applause:
Goat Footwork

Best poster on ISH.

[Samurai Swoosh]

thats a travel you idiot
Clearly this dude doesn't understand or play ball.

This is a travel.

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

Shuffles pivot foot, then switches pivot foot.

[Funnyfuka]

the other master...

http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg

just your center facing up from the three point line and faking the hell out of the defenders to split a double team
mmm...it s a travel....

[Samurai Swoosh]

mmm...it s a travel....
How is that a travel? He establishes a pivot foot, doesn't move it ... steps through with attack foot (legal) and jumps for a layup. That is completely legal ... some of you really need to learn the game.

[catch24]

Clearly this dude doesn't understand or play ball.

Was just gonna say the same thing. It's like these guys have never played the game before.

Same with funyfuka... Hakeem's pivot foot is still stationary... not a travel.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif


THIS ONE IS FUNKY..

[BlueandGold]

can anyone post a gif of that Kobe move vs Wilson Chandler against the Knicks where he dropped 61?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Was just gonna say the same thing. It's like these guys have never played the game before.

Same with funyfuka... Hakeem's pivot foot is still stationary... not a travel.
The only travel in this thread is that LeBron post up from the 1st game of the season v.s. the Celtics.

I actually love threads like these because this stuff interests me more than player a > player b ... bunch of random, useless stats, without context, etc. PER, win shares ... People can be fooled into certain people here actually know what they are talking about IE Indian Guy, etc.

In THESE threads, you really get to understand people who know the game, and play the game.

:facepalm

[Disaprine]

hakeem's move on robinson. :bowdown:

[NBASTATMAN]

that fake spin was so damn quick in the early 90s, rodman does a good job recovering but he was lost for a minute

http://i52.tinypic.com/23iw9ea.jpg


mj doing it to a great defender :applause:

[Samurai Swoosh]

THIS ONE IS FUNKY.. Walk in my opinion
Nope. Just impeccable foot work. Left foot is pivot foot ... he fakes the defender with up fake, reverse pivot, attack foot step through. Legal.

See thats the problem with a lot of people. If they haven't seen a move before, or it looks illogical, they immedietly cast it off as a travel.

This is just a beautiful move from Kobe.

[d.bball.guy]

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:roll::roll::roll:
This one looks like a travel as he switched his pivot foot. I'm not sure if he took 3 steps, though.

Edit: Yep, there was a small step but travels like this will not be called in the NBA. Only the obvious ones.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif



off the charts

[catch24]

The only travel in this thread is that LeBron post up from the 1st game of the season v.s. the Celtics.

I actually love threads like these because this stuff interests me more than player a > player b ... bunch of random, useless stats, without context, etc. PER, win shares ... People can be fooled into certain people here actually know what they are talking about IE Indian Guy, etc.

In THESE threads, you really get to understand people who know the game, and play the game.

:facepalm

Yeah, I hear you. "Are you stupid that's a travel!" :oldlol:

These guys need to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9NxevRkm0

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j6d2qCkTuY

Kobe and Jordan (who talks about moving your pivot foot, etc) teachin' them fundamentals.

[Samurai Swoosh]

:roll::roll::roll:
This is a travel as he switched his pivot foot.
AND shuffled the original (noticeable even in real time) before he blatantly switched pivot feet.

:facepalm

[Apocalyptic0n3]

http://ishmaeldaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/MCHammer.gif

Can't touch this.

[d.bball.guy]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif

Watch the two dumb people in the stands (white t-shirts) motion for a traveling charge.

:facepalm

So many idiot fans don't know the rules of the game.
Jeff Van Gundy gonna rant all over those stupid guys.

[d.bball.guy]

AND shuffled the original (noticeable even in real time) before he blatantly switched pivot feet.

:facepalm
It took me a minute to really call it a travel.:lol

[Samurai Swoosh]

This one looks like a travel as he switched his pivot foot. I'm not sure if he took 3 steps, though.
Another one who doesn't know the game ... this has nothing to do with "steps" ... it's a travel because he shuffles and changes pivot foot. That's two traveling violations on the same play. There are no "steps" involved here.

[catch24]

It took me a minute to really call it a travel.:lol

Same here :oldlol:

Was thinking, wait, is it just me or was dude shuffling? Hid it pretty nicely but if you keep watching it, you'll be able to spot it.

whats hilarious is that he gets away with this type of crap ALL the time. refs just don't call shit...

[NBASTATMAN]

Nope. Just impeccable foot work. Left foot is pivot foot ... he fakes the defender with up fake, reverse pivot, attack foot step through. Legal.

See thats the problem with a lot of people. If they haven't seen a move before, or it looks illogical, they immedietly cast it off as a travel.

This is just a beautiful move from Kobe.


With the defender there it is hard to see but you ARE correct.. The Left foot does stay planted on the floor.. I retract my opinion of a walk and still think it is funky .. :rockon:



IT WAS A WALK..

[d.bball.guy]

Another one who doesn't know the game ... this has nothing to do with "steps" ... it's a travel because he shuffles and changes pivot foot. That's two traveling violations on the same play. There are no "steps" involved here.
Thanks. I think I can be better playing and analyzing with what you said.

[NBASTATMAN]

One thing Hakeem and Kobe have in common: played a lot of soccer as kids... I believe it helps, speaking from experience (I'm British and played soccer almost daily before eventually playing basketball daily in my teens).


I AGREE.. Steve Nash , manu, and tparker all have great foot work as well and I am sure they have all played soccer..

[Samurai Swoosh]

Thanks. I think I can be better playing and analyzing with what you said.
Didn't mean to come off douchey, just trying to help you, bro.

[d.bball.guy]

Didn't mean to come off douchey, just trying to help you, bro.
Well, you helped me.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif

Reverse pivot--favorite move of his. Been trying this for a couple years now and it still looks mad sloppy lol.


Keep trying them and you will wind up blowing out your knees and ankles..

[Fatal9]

Anything from Melo or Pierce?

Melo signature spin

http://oi56.tinypic.com/2ep5zzl.jpg

LeBron literally moving like a crab :oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Well, you helped me.
You want real help. Study 2 or 3 players if you want to get better. And when I say study, I mean really study. Watch how well Kobe keeps his foot planted without sliding it or moving it while executing a ball fake in the post, or a reverse pivot, etc.

[Fatal9]

http://oi56.tinypic.com/w1420o.jpg

[catch24]

Keep trying them and you will wind up blowing out your knees and ankles..

lmao, that's not very nice :(

[Samurai Swoosh]

LeBron literally moving like a crab :oldlol:
Maybe if LeBron works on flexibility ... especially last season ... he wouldn't look so stiff and wooden.

[Fatal9]

and finally jab step 101, using defenders momentum against him perfectly

http://i53.tinypic.com/1zb5i85.jpg

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://oi56.tinypic.com/w1420o.jpg
The Jordan move ... nicely done. This is one of the few moves I have trouble with. I simply don't have the length to sell it as well as these guys. I can do it with an approaching pick to fake a defender out. But on its own its a difficult move.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2e1ekh3.jpg


Most never realized that Shaq had some great footwork for such a big dude.. :applause:

[Kiarip]

One question I have is are you really allowed to pivot after a hop-step or a jump-stop or w.e it's called?

I don't know so I never use it, but I think I should, seems like a really imbalanced move since you can technically hop-step off the dribble in a different direction from which you're originally going right?

[d.bball.guy]

You want real help. Study 2 or 3 players if you want to get better. And when I say study, I mean really study. Watch how well Kobe keeps his foot planted without sliding it or moving it while executing a ball fake in the post, or a reverse pivot, etc.
He's the only player I study, lol. I watch most of his moves and I really see how he keeps his pivot foot. Maybe I should also play soccer.

[Samurai Swoosh]

One question I have is are you really allowed to pivot after a hop-step or a jump-stop or w.e it's called??
No, that counts as everything ... you can only go up straight up after a jump step or hop step. Because you're planting both feet and picking up your dribble.

[Kiarip]

No, that counts as everything ... you can only go up straight up after a jump step or hop step. Because you're planting both feet and picking up your dribble.
Alright, that's what I was thinking too.

And by definition it's basically when you leave the ground with both feet and gather the ball while in the air before landing right?

edit: and then land with both feet. ?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Alright, that's what I was thinking too.

And by definition it's basically when you leave the ground with both feet and gather the ball while in the air before landing right?
Correct.

[thejumpa]

Melo signature spin

http://oi56.tinypic.com/2ep5zzl.jpg

LeBron literally moving like a crab :oldlol:

Damn....LBJ really thought he was goin for the pull up. He couldn't have been more wrong.

Good shit:applause:

[Kiarip]

Correct.

I see, is there a grey area here if you take a leap thing while dribbling and then gather the ball right after you land?

From what I understand you're allowed to jump up and down while you're dribbling ball all you want right?

Reason I'm asking is because I have no idea when to call travels on people when they hop-step into pivot, because I guess they can argue that htey gathered after landing.

[Samurai Swoosh]

From what I understand you're allowed to jump up and down while you're dribbling ball all you want right?
You can take like a hesitation hop while dribbling the ball. It's a change of pace move. As long as the ball isn't being carried, it's legal.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2709862/s132s2-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709868/3e132e-o.gif


were they all in the same game.. ? Those remind me of mj at 35 in the finals

[thejumpa]

Amar'e has some nice footwork too. He definitely has his own version of the Dream shake.

[Samurai Swoosh]

were they all in the same game.. ? Those remind me of mj at 35 in the finals
He is 35 in those clips.

[Phong]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128110119205578.gif

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128110119205578.gif
Well ... at least he didn't travel here.

:oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Really? :wtf: I have seen better, plenty.
:oldlol:

[Kiarip]

Well ... at least he didn't travel here.

:oldlol:
apparently he did. you said you can't pivot after jumpstop

edit:

he definitely put his left toe back on the ground, and the jumped off 2 feet for the sad layup attempt

[Samurai Swoosh]

apparently he did. you said you can't pivot after jumpstop
Oh snap ... you're right. I missed that on intial viewing. Thought he went straight up. Good catch.

[Kiarip]

Oh snap ... you're right. I missed that on intial viewing. Thought he went straight up. Good catch.

Honestly, I think Lebron doesn't know this rule =\ He pivots after every jump stop.

[d.bball.guy]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128110119205578.gif
Keep it up!:roll::roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Honestly, I think Lebron doesn't know this rule =\ He pivots after every jump stop.

I have seen 8 year old kids PLAYING BBALL with better footwork than Lebron.. He just needs to get into the gym with someone who can teach him over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.. And then over and over and over and over and over and over .. Repetition is going to help him and his foot work.. He has added a nice midrange game but to become a go to guy at the end of games you have to have offense that can beat great defense.. Dirk is the king at this point against any defense.. :applause:

[Samurai Swoosh]

to become a go to guy at the end of games you have to have offense that can beat great defense..
It's not just that ...

In the playoffs teams run players off the three point line.

They don't do that in the regular season, cause no one has the energy to do that for a whole season.

They run players off the 3 ball, and build a wall around the basket. So it's more difficult to get to the hoop, and shoot the easier shots LeBron is known to take.

In the playoffs as you go ... midrange is where you have to make your living. And there is only a few players left in the league with the offensive skill and IQ to understand that is where you have to make stuff happen.

[PistonsFan#21]

Clearly this dude doesn't understand or play ball.


:roll:

are you serious? seems like you're the one that doesnt understand or play ball if you cant see the travel in that move (although its not that obvious). His pivot foot is the left foot but after he spins he lifts up his left foot while his right foot is still on the ground.


http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

If he took off with both feet at the same time it would be a legal move. Now stop trying to correct someone when you clearly wrong. Same goes for that catch24 guy

[Samurai Swoosh]

:roll:

are you serious? seems like you're the one that doesnt understand or play ball if you cant see the travel in that move:

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif
I explained verbatim ... meaning with words why it wasn't. Explain to me how it is a travel.

[PistonsFan#21]

I explained verbatim ... meaning with words why it wasn't. Explain to me how it is a travel.
watch my explanation above

[PistonsFan#21]

i dont really excpect you to reply because you would just embarrass yourself. Or maybe you will just admit that you were wrong this time

:confusedshrug:

[Samurai Swoosh]

If he took off with both feet at the same time it would be a legal move.
This is true, but he jumps off both feet ...

It's the way he rotates on the reverse pivot that throws the eye off.

He jumps off the pivot foot as well.

[falc39]

lol that kobe move on salmons is a travel. he picks up his pivot foot while keeping the other foot on the ground. how is this even arguable?

prob wasnt called because it looks like a preseason game

[PistonsFan#21]

This is true, but he jumps off both feet ...

It's the way he rotates on the reverse pivot that throws the eye off.

He jumps off the pivot foot as well.
no he doesnt... just admit you're wrong. If i knew how to freeze that gif just at the right moment you would see his left foot lifted while his right foot is still touching the ground.

Like i said its not an obvious travel but it is one

[Rojogaqu11]

I'm a fan of Kobe's footwork but that's a travel.

He stablishes left foot pivot but jumps off of right foot alone. It's so quick that the refs won't call it.

[millwad]

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2e1ekh3.jpg

Beautiful!

I loved Shaq's footwork back in the day, too bad he didn't make a try to work on it during his career. Not that he really needed doing moves like that to score, he was dominant enough doing his basic stuff but he wouldn't have crappy players trying to take charges if he'd move like that during his later years.

[Samurai Swoosh]

no he doesnt... just admit you're wrong. If i knew how to freeze that gif just at the right moment you would see his left foot lifted while his right foot is still touching the ground.

Like i said its not an obvious travel but it is one
See if you can ... because as it stands it looks like to me that he jumps of both feet.

At least slow the video down and it would give a better perspective.

[ZaaaaaH]

See if you can ... because as it stands it looks like to me that he jumps of both feet.

At least slow the video down and it would give a better perspective.

Its a Travel, and if you slow the video down and still didnt see it then you should get ur eyese check son.

Also that Shaq Gif is a travel as well, not magnified as Kobes gif but Shaq did the samething.

Bottom line These days I rarely see refs call this type of travels ever since LeBron start doing the Crab Dribble which is FAR FAR obvious.




LeBrons working on Lobster Dribble right now after he disappeared.

[BlackJoker23]

the lebron, kobe and shaq gifs are definitely travels.

[BlackJoker23]

great footwork right here
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/uYK4YoDyGP8sI4ShPv6jGRuc3.gif

[catch24]

See if you can ... because as it stands it looks like to me that he jumps of both feet.

At least slow the video down and it would give a better perspective.

Still don't see how it's a travel. Didn't move his pivot foot -- why would it matter if he jumped with it? Makes zero sense.

[Floppy]

The only travel in this thread is that LeBron post up from the 1st game of the season v.s. the Celtics.

I actually love threads like these because this stuff interests me more than player a > player b ... bunch of random, useless stats, without context, etc. PER, win shares ... People can be fooled into certain people here actually know what they are talking about IE Indian Guy, etc.

In THESE threads, you really get to understand people who know the game, and play the game.

:facepalm
There are plenty of travels in this thread aside from the obvious Lebron travels.

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif

Takes 2.5 steps before establishing his pivot

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif

Takes 3 steps (he lifts his pivot if you look carefully)

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2709893/1212-o.gif

Takes 2.5 steps

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

Switches pivot (his right foot is actually his pivot and not his left)

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2e1ekh3.jpg

Takes 2 steps then establishes pivot

[SFMF]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

Switches pivot (his right foot is actually his pivot and not his left)


I think his left is the pivot

[Phong]

His pivot foot is the left foot but after he spins he lifts up his left foot while his right foot is still on the ground.
Left pivot foot, jumps off his right foot.
http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031045507249.jpg

Left pivot foot, jumps off his right foot.
http://i52.tinypic.com/23iw9ea.jpg http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031314177361.jpg

Righ pivot foot, jumps off his left foot.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031848786446.jpg

So all those are travels as well then. Do you have the paragraph of the NBA rule book that says a player must jump off with both feet after establishing his pivot foot? The only thing I could find was:


Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

[KenneBell]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qs1ht2.gif

Forward and reverse. :oldlol:

[Floppy]

I think his left is the pivot
Nope his right foot is his pivot.

His right foot is planted when he picks up the ball then takes a step towards the baseline with his left foot making his right foot his pivot.

[Phong]

Nope his right foot is his pivot.

His right foot is planted when he picks up the ball then takes a step towards the baseline with his left foot making his right foot his pivot.:wtf:

Where do you see a step with his left foot towards the baseline?

[Rojogaqu11]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qs1ht2.gif

This one is not a travel but good use of triple threat.

[catch24]

Nope his right foot is his pivot.

His right foot is planted when he picks up the ball then takes a step towards the baseline with his left foot making his right foot his pivot.

Uh, no, its his left.

Open up your eyes you blind skunk.

[Floppy]

:wtf:

Where do you see a step with his left foot towards the baseline?
It's hard to see cause the defender is covering it but he takes a big step towards the baseline.

[Scoooter]

You're allowed to lift your pivot foot. You just can't put it back down before getting rid of the ball. Very few traveling violations in this thread.

[Phong]

Maybe you don't know your left from your right but he plants his left foot as he's picking up his dribble.
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033520883266.jpg

Then make a step with his right towards the baseline.
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033626927976.jpg

Then reverse spin on his left pivot and plant his right.
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033730846743.jpg

[catch24]

Thank you Phong. As I said, not a travel.

[PistonsFan#21]

Left pivot foot, jumps off his right foot.
http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/06/24/110624094315659124.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031045507249.jpg

Left pivot foot, jumps off his right foot.
http://i52.tinypic.com/23iw9ea.jpg http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031314177361.jpg

Righ pivot foot, jumps off his left foot.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2nqed4z.jpg http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625031848786446.jpg

So all those are travels as well then. Do you have the paragraph of the NBA rule book that says a player must jump off with both feet after establishing his pivot foot? The only thing I could find was:

Its travels too but like i said its not blatant ones. I dont think there is a paragraph that explains this particular case word for word but if you lift your pivot foot and keep the other foot on the ground then its the same as switching pivot foot

[catch24]

Its travels too but like i said its not blatant ones. I dont think there is a paragraph that explains this particular case word for word but if you lift your pivot foot and keep the other foot on the ground then its the same as switching pivot foot

Where in the rule book does it say that? Lifting your pivot foot meaning on your tippie toes or off the ground? If the former, you're incorrect.

[cteach111]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif


that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:

[catch24]

that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:

Exactly. I fail to see what these goofs are looking at.

[Phong]

that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:Apparently you are supposed to jump off your pivot foot even though it's not clearly specified anywhere in the rule book. :confusedshrug:

[Floppy]

Maybe you don't know your left from your right but he plants his left foot as he's picking up his dribble.
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033520883266.jpg

Then make a step with his right towards the baseline.
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033626927976.jpg

Then reverse spin on his left pivot and plant his right.
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033730846743.jpg
:lol who are you trying to fool with those pics?

He picked up the ball way earlier and even in that first pic you can tell that he already picked up the ball before his left foot was planted (yes that foot is actually still in the air).

Nice try.

I'm off to bed as these discussions tend to be pointless anyways.

[Micku]

James Worthy


http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2714202/worthy-o.gif

[PistonsFan#21]

Where in the rule book does it say that? Lifting your pivot foot meaning on your tippie toes or off the ground? If the former, you're incorrect.

lifting your pivot foot as in off the ground. Obviously you're allowed to go on tippie toes

[catch24]

lifting your pivot foot as in off the ground. Obviously you're allowed to go on tippie toes

Right, and where in that gif did Kobe lift his pivot (left foot)?

[OldSchoolBBall]

:facepalm

It is a travel, though. Without question. It's not part of any "two steps" like you would get with a layup attempt because he declares his left foot his pivot foot but then the left foot leaves the ground before the right foot does. I'm not saying it would be called every time, but it's clearly a travel.


The Jordan move ... nicely done. This is one of the few moves I have trouble with. I simply don't have the length to sell it as well as these guys. I can do it with an approaching pick to fake a defender out. But on its own its a difficult move.

It works best in isolation when your defender is pressing up on you tight. You can use a lead foot between the defender's legs or to one side of his to get some separation, and then when he recovers to close the distance and press up again, launch right into this move and you'll usually catch them. I used to use it to great effect in my younger days when I was blazing quick. They'd be left facing the other way. :oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.

[Samurai Swoosh]

People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.
I know the rule, Loki ... I'm just saying it looks to me as if the attack foot and the pivot foot were leaving the ground at the same time. I might be wrong on this one. But I thought it was just deceiving to the eye, given he's rotating as he jumps but if you think its a travel ... I can buy your opinion more so than others in here. It's not bad foot work by any means, though. The pivot moves from Kobe in that Team USA clip and the one on Wilson Chandler aren't travels, though.


It works best in isolation when your defender is pressing up on you tight. You can use a lead foot between the defender's legs or to one side of his to get some separation, and then when he recovers to close the distance and press up again, launch right into this move and you'll usually catch them. I used to use it to great effect in my younger days when I was blazing quick. They'd be left facing the other way
Yea, it works best for me when I use it on a pick. I fake the direction of the pick and go the opposite way. It's a slick move, though. Maybe I just need to work on it more.

Damn, now I feel like playing some ball.

:oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

I actually have a patented footwork move(s) that I do that I've never seen done by anyone (I invented it on the fly one game and then realized how well it worked and just perfected it). I've described it on the forum before, but it's hard to visualize. The options out of the fake also depend on how the defender's weight is shifted on the initial move(s). I've had dozens of people howling on the sidelines when I've busted that one out as the defender is turned the completely wrong way and looking for me in a place I'm not while I'm driving in for a layup. :oldlol:

PS - yeah, it's the fact that the feet don't come up together that make it a travel. He definitely lifts his left foot first, which you can't do.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I actually have a patented footwork move(s) that I do that I've never seen done by anyone (I invented it on the fly one game and then realized how well it worked and just perfected it). I've described it on the forum before, but it's hard to visualize. The options out of the fake also depend on how the defender's weight is shifted on the initial move(s). I've had dozens of people howling on the sidelines when I've busted that one out as the defender is turned the completely wrong way and looking for me in a place I'm not while I'm driving in for a layup. :oldlol:

PS - yeah, it's the fact that the feet don't come up together that make it a travel. He definitely lifts his left foot first, which you can't do.
Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?

[catch24]

People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.

Looked like both feet were in the air at the same time, but its close. I respect your opinion.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?

I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.
You posted it in a GIF form earlier in this thread ... albeit really shitty quality.

[IGOTGAME]

People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.

I was under the impression that it isnt a travel under the foot comes back down. That is what the rule book says and how I was taught.

edit: that is not a travel. It is the same move that is very prevalent in the women's game. It is only a travel if the pivot comes back down to the ground.

[OldSchoolBBall]

You posted it in a GIF form earlier in this thread ... albeit really shitty quality.

Oh, yeah, I can do that. Can't elongate to the same extent MJ did since I can't palm the ball, but I've used that to create space before. It's best if you do that to get some space and then give a quick jab step towards the same direction you just faked in and then drive the other way. It's almost guaranteed that the defender bites on the jab step or freezes. You can also just explode in the same direction when the defender is recovering from the initial move (I do this a lot) since you have an automatic advantage.

[nightprowler10]

Epic thread! ISH redeeming itself. I have to say, Kobe's footwork is the best of this era in the 2 guard position. Wade is really up there too though.

Someone make a gif of Melo's spin move on LeBron last season.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6eqP_y9kw&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s

[N0Skillz]

Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again.

[PistonsFan#21]

Looked like both feet were in the air at the same time, but its close. I respect your opinion.

you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.

[IGOTGAME]

Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again.

yeah, that is the rule. I lot of people usually get confused though. It sometimes even called incorrectly at lower levels of ball(I think that is why more players don't use it in the NBA, although it is normal for women's ball).

[PistonsFan#21]

Lol the kobe gif is not a travel.....



im pretty sure you can lift your pivot foot but it can't hit the floor again.

you can lift it if you jump with both feet at the same time or if your pivot foot is the last foot leaving the ground. You can't however lift up your pivot foot while you're other foot is still on the ground. I thought it was basic knowledge to everyone...

[Samurai Swoosh]

you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.
It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.

[PistonsFan#21]

It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.

Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant

[IGOTGAME]

Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant

you know it's not a travel until that foot(pivot) comes down.


See Section 68 Rule 4 of the NCAA rules:

"Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot: a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal; "

[Samurai Swoosh]

Yea im not denying that. This call is rarely made because its hard to catch unless you really pay attention and most of the time Kobe pulls out that move without traveling like in his 61pts game against the Knicks.

This one however was a travel but it wasnt anything blatant
Absolutely, bro

[PistonsFan#21]

you know it's not a travel until that foot(pivot) comes down.


The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call

[IGOTGAME]

The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call

the pivot foot was never "switched." The pivot was already established and does not turn into a travel until it hits the floor. That is the rule. It has nothing to do with the other foot touching the ground.


g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

here is the part of the nba rule book that says it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The NBA rule book also says that you can't switch pivot foot...

At the moment he lifts his pivot foot while the other foot is still on the ground, the foot that is still touching the ground becomes his pivot foot which results in a travel call

It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.

lmao @ IGOTGAME. Learn how to play the game. :oldlol: The rule you posted is not an exhaustive explanation of every circumstance that constitutes a travel. It's a rule for ONE situation. There are many others.

[IGOTGAME]

It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.

Well, it is the truth. Avy bet on it?

Actually my tuition dollars were paid for based on my ability to perform moves exactly like that one. I think I know how to play the game(especially the post).

So, Month long avy bet?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Actually my tuition dollars were paid for based on my ability to perform moves exactly like that one.
Where @?

[PistonsFan#21]

the pivot foot was never "switched." The pivot was already established and does not turn into a travel until it hits the floor. That is the rule. It has nothing to do with the other foot touching the ground.



here is the part of the nba rule book that says it.


By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

http://www.tianpu-qigong.com/Images/shanghaitaichi.jpg

[IGOTGAME]

By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

http://www.tianpu-qigong.com/Images/shanghaitaichi.jpg

technically you can until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.

[PistonsFan#21]

technically you can until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.

:lol dude are you serious? this is the same as switching your pivot foot. How can your pivot foot be in the air while you are standing straight on your non-pivot foot? just think about it

[catch24]

you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.

I didn't call him out because I actually respect his opinion. I had a difficult time understanding what you were implying. Oldschoolbball actually knows what he's talking about, and worded what you might have been trying to say better.

Regardless, it's close, and I still don't think it's a travel. In real game-time it looks as though he got both feet off, just like in the gif.

[Doranku]

Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif

[no pun intended]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm171/Kyle075/kobecrosspump4pf.gif

[Samurai Swoosh]

Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2709719/jordan1-o.gif
You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

:oldlol:

[DixieNourmous]

This is GOAT footwork....

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/BigM211/CrabDribble.gif

[IGOTGAME]

finally someone understands the rule:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6l7kKY48FM&feature=related

it is a step through and is most commmonly used in the women's game. I used to think it was weird too. For ball(in high school and college) I always watched the girls games. It bothered me so I would talk to the refs, I would talk to people at five star and eastern invitational and at college. This is the rule, it is just misapplied sometimes on the lower level. It looks weird but it is not a travel. WNBA players do it all the time. Some college guys do it too. In the NBA I remember Steve Smith doing it, Kobe and others. Obviously not like in the movie but after a live dribble.

[nightprowler10]

Wish people would stop posting LeBron clips in this thread. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

:oldlol:

For sure it would be really hard to tell real time, but Loki is over there going, "It's CLEARLY a travel!!!" and what not.

If you look at his pivot foot, when he establishes it, it's outside of the paint/on the edge. When he takes off for the lay up, it's slid/moved to clearly inside the paint on the white stripe.

[O BaByShaQ]

Thank you Phong. As I said, not a travel.

its a travel he picks up his pivot foot before he jumps, aka takes another step after his pivot is established

[OldSchoolBBall]

THE PIVOT FOOT CANNOT LEAVE THE FLOOR FIRST, PEOPLE. Think about it this way: imagine a player declares his left foot his pivot, then pivots around for a few seconds looking to pass it off as the defender hounds him, and then takes a step with his right foot, picks up his left foot, then jumps off his right foot to pass it off. Clearly a travel, yet it's exactly what happened in the Kobe clip. The fact that the pivot foot leaves the ground first and the non-pivot foot is on the ground constitutes an extra step, and you're not allowed "2 steps" unless you're in a layup motion off a drive, not once you've established a stationary pivot foot.

IGOTGAME, I'm not betting anything, but if you show that to any college coach they'll tell you it's a travel.

Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.

[eliteballer]

LOL. Kobe doing that stuff at 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy7np0dH5Q

[Doranku]

Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.

:cheers:

Personally, I always thought Kobe's was a pretty obvious travel, but the way people were arguing it on here made me question my stance a little bit. I was always under the impression that what you're saying is correct, that your pivot foot can't be the first foot to come off the floor.

Interesting that so many people are arguing the counter claim, though.

[N0Skillz]

g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.


Got this from another site



. You can spin around or "pivot" on that anchored part of your foot, but you can't slide or lift this foot unless you are passing or shooting.


Other site


The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

Kobe was shooting


i was right = D


its just a misconception people have about basketball. Your other foot does not become a pivot foot because you lifted your pivot foot, your pivot foot does not change.

[Haymaker]

No love for TMAC or STEVE NASH????????? :wtf:

[eliteballer]

Beautiful footwork from Kobe at the 3:25 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8&feature=related

[DCL]

if you're gonna post don't make it more than one gif at a time, do not want the page to take forever to load because of a billion gifs. basically a footwork appreciation thread.

let me start off with the master:

http://s3.tinypic.com/1zey54x_th.jpg

practiced this move all last summer with mild success.

LOL that's one of my go-to moves in the paint.

used to do this all the time and got called travel half the time.

the pivot has to leave the ground at the same time as the other foot, but sometimes u just lean up and finish with a half step up first. and even if both leave at the same time, the idiots still often whine its a travel because you left them in the dust.

[Doranku]

LOL. Kobe doing that stuff at 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy7np0dH5Q

:roll: @ the announcer after Kobe's put-back slam in OT.

[inclinerator]

da fux ur a tard if u think kobe's reverse pivot is a travel

[Clutch]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[thatoneblackguy]

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:applause: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[cteach111]

im gonna post that Kobe pic on other forums to get more opinions.

Anyways, in another game, this is basically the same move Kobe did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l053a5oYxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBt_9t57F-0&feature=related


I maintain the opinion that these aren't travels.

[d.bball.guy]

Try looking at the Kobe move in your phone or anything slower than a computer. I saw it slower and it is not a travel.

[IGOTGAME]

Try looking at the Kobe move in your phone or anything slower than a computer. I saw it slower and it is not a travel.

you arent going to get a good answer online. For what it is worth I have talked to refs and coaches about this EXACT issue. It is NOT a travel but many people, including bball players, do not understand the rule. Women's game actually teaches that move when they show them how to do the step through.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-54343.html

just googled it and come across this thread discussing the use of the move in women's vs. men's bball.

[ChandlerParsons]

Someone post of pic of me Chandler Parsons, you know I am the GOAT SF in the paint foo :banana:

[lefthook00]

Kobe's move was a borderline travel just like a jap-step drive from the triple threat is a borderline travel if you put the ball down too early. What I'm saying is that no one ever calls that sh*t, and OK to do. It's fine. Kobe was trying to jump off both feet at the same time but it wasn't perfect.

[nbacardDOTnet]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif

That's what I uploaded. :rockon:

not like LeCrab

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/z%20Dream%20Shake%20School/Rajon%20Rondo/rajonrondodreamshakeagainstdavidwes.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/z%20Dream%20Shake%20School/Rajon%20Rondo/__12-27___sportscard.gif

[ImmortalD24]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128110119205578.gif
Shawne Williams is a bad boy. I was really impressed with his 1on1 defense against LeBron.

[cdbleb]

http://www.v7n.com/forums/attachments/graphic-design-forum/7219d1208717137t-resizing-animated-gif-avatar-shay_laren_jeans.gif

Amazing footwork!

[Fatal9]

http://i51.tinypic.com/9id9bs.jpg

[SpecialQue]

http://i51.tinypic.com/9id9bs.jpg

That's $hit's so ugly that if Lamar Odom saw it, he's probably propose to it.

[305Baller]

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae33/X_Apple_Head_X/michaeljacksoneatspopcorn.gif

[Kiarip]

LOL that's one of my go-to moves in the paint.

used to do this all the time and got called travel half the time.

the pivot has to leave the ground at the same time as the other foot, but sometimes u just lean up and finish with a half step up first. and even if both leave at the same time, the idiots still often whine its a travel because you left them in the dust.

No you don't.

The pivot can leave the floor first, then you can stand on one foot for the rest of the shot clock and do w.e the hell you want.

you just can't put it back down until you do something with the ball that it's not in your possession anymore.

[Stringer Bell]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2723573/mj-on-allan-houston-o.gif

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i51.tinypic.com/9id9bs.jpg
That's good footwork.

[The-Legend-24]

http://i51.tinypic.com/9id9bs.jpg
Ownage.

[Fatal9]

let's finally give T-Mac some love...

http://i56.tinypic.com/21nk2md.jpg

i think his pivot toe just moved a little bit on the spin but do not care, it was good enough. filthy move, against a great defender in AK too.

[BlackJoker23]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?

[brownmamba00]

let's finally give T-Mac some love...

http://i56.tinypic.com/21nk2md.jpg

i think his pivot toe just moved a little bit on the spin but do not care, it was good enough. filthy move, against a great defender in AK too.
OMG :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?
I remember that ... was vicious.

[RidonKs]

so. many. gif's. great great thread. i loved that Magic fastbreak, unbelievable to change your momentum and spin the other way on the fly. the Kobe/Wade all-star reverse pivot is one of my favourites, just because his patience, slowly biding his time, made it all the more embarrassing. the Wade steparound is a signature move that he probably does better than anybody else, and it isn't easy, especially considering how fast he's usually barreling toward the bucket. and then all the classics, MJ, Hakeem, McHale. damn.


i read a wee bit into that debate, and i'm sure people must have come to the right conclusion. the rule, unless i'm very much mistaken, is that you're allowed to LEAVE your established pivot foot in whatever fashion you want... you just aren't allowed to establish a new one. so if you plant your left, you can take off from your left, but you can't come back down on either foot with the ball still in your hands. that right?

[The-Legend-24]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?
Yes.... :cry: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[catch24]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?

Clearly a travel and Kobe def tripped over his foot. Fail gif






nah but seriously....that was nice as fck

[Fatal9]

http://oi55.tinypic.com/4vixb9.jpg

after setting you up with the jump hook throughout the game, this would be one of his counter moves that he'd use later on.

[Swaggin916]

He never lifts his pivot foot.

on second thought, it looks like he does lift his right leg before the ball is out of his hands

So... he is shooting a shot. You can lift it to jump into a shot.

[pete's montreux]

So... he is shooting a shot. You can lift it to jump into a shot.

cool

[BlackJoker23]

this thread needed paul pierce.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/Paul%20Pierce/VS/Chris%20Bosh/e8d576a7.gif

styling all over rupaul

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/703441/pierce-punch-o.gif
u mad ref?

[d.bball.guy]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?
:bowdown:

[d.bball.guy]

this thread needed paul pierce.
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/703441/pierce-punch-o.gif
u mad ref?
:roll::roll:

[thejumpa]

http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif
u mad kobe stans?

I remember watching this play. Nasty. Kobe didn't know what hit him.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21nk2md.jpg

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

More T-Mac please.....great thread BTW

[Jacks3]

What's funny is that Kobe came back the very next play, blew by Mac, and dunked on the entire Magic team. :pimp:

[The-Legend-24]

What's funny is that Kobe came back the very next play, blew by Mac, and dunked on the entire Magic team. :pimp:
Kobe :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: GOAT
Waiting for Jordan stans lol

[PistonsFan#21]

What's funny is that Kobe came back the very next play, blew by Mac, and dunked on the entire Magic team. :pimp:

And then Tmac came right back threw the ball over Kobe off the backboard and dunked it

[Micku]

Magic at age 36.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2725261/magic-s-post-o.gif

[Samurai Swoosh]

What's funny is that Kobe came back the very next play, blew by Mac, and dunked on the entire Magic team. :pimp:
No, that was in the 2nd half. He also shut Mac down in the 2nd half of that game, too.

[Jacks3]

No, that was in the 2nd half. He also shut Mac down in the 2nd half of that game, too.
No you're thinking of the game in 03-04. That game happened in 02-03. It's on YT. Mac destroys Bryant and Kobe immediately demands the ball, brings up court, blows by Mac and dunks on the entire Magic team. Shit was badass. :bowdown:

[PistonsFan#21]

Magic at age 36.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2725261/magic-s-post-o.gif

how was that great footwork?

[Samurai Swoosh]

No you're thinking of the game in 03-04. That game happened in 02-03. It's on YT. Mac destroys Bryant and Kobe immediately demands the ball, brings up court, blows by Mac and dunks on the entire Magic team. Shit was badass. :bowdown:
No ... I know what game you're talking about. That one was in LA ... the 2002 - 2003 game he shut him down in the 2nd half as well. And that game isn't on youtube. That dunk on the Magic he did it with two hands and slapped the back board.

[Jacks3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related

Beginning of this vid. :bowdown:

[Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related

Beginning of this vid. :bowdown:
T-mac.:pimp:

[Phong]

Basketball traveling rules: http://vimeo.com/395653

Starting at 5:45 you have two detailed plays where the players established their pivot foot, then jumped off the other one to release a shot. Both shots are considered legal.

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/11062707085249475.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070917308011.gif

Assuming the rules regarding the pivot foot are the same between the NBA and FIBA, Kobe's play is totally legal.
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif

[G-train]

He makes a jumpstop, pivots, and then lays it in. It's not even close to a travel. That wouldn't be called in any league.

He takes a two step jump stop then takes another step. So you are wrong in that it would be called in any league bar the NBA. You cannot step through after 1.5 or 2 steps.

[IGOTGAME]

Basketball traveling rules: http://vimeo.com/395653

Starting at 5:45 you have two detailed plays where the players established their pivot foot, then jumped off the other one to release a shot. Both shots are considered legal.

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/11062707085249475.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070917308011.gif

Assuming the rules regarding the pivot foot are the same between the NBA and FIBA, Kobe's play is totally legal.
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif


Yeah, I was trying to tell these bums about the rules. smh

[G-train]

You're allowed to lift your pivot foot. You just can't put it back down before getting rid of the ball. Very few traveling violations in this thread.

:oldlol: You cant lift your pivot foot then take another step though.

As I already said, talking travels in the NBA is a worthless exercise. Stern told the Refs in the late 80's to allow them to make the game more entertaining.

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2726214/erge-o.gif

[Phong]

Yeah, I was trying to tell these bums about the rules. smhCan't wait to see the responses of all those who were so adamant about their "superior" knowledge of the rules and kept talking about jumping off two feet, switching pivot foot and whatnot. :cheers:

[Scoooter]

He takes a two step jump stop then takes another step. So you are wrong in that it would be called in any league bar the NBA. You cannot step through after 1.5 or 2 steps.
I don't see that at all. :confusedshrug:

[IGOTGAME]

Can't wait to see the responses of all those who were so adamant about their "superior" knowledge of the rules and kept talking about jumping off two feet, switching pivot foot and whatnot. :cheers:

1. They will say it is just a FIBA interpretation

or

2. They won't respond.

They are wrong though. Good looks on finding the video.

:cheers: