Official Utah Jazz Bandwagon Thread for 2011-2012 Season

[DeronMillsap]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom

I won't guarantee a championship next season but I will guarantee a playoff berth and possibly a 1st Round upset. We could even be next season's version of the 2011 Grizzlies too.

[SAKOTXA]

Two rookies and a second year player in the starting lineup....yea, playoffs.

[Bigsmoke]

35 wins

[GreatHILL]

lottery....

[madmax]

Kanter - bust
Jazz - missing playoffs yet again:cheers:

[Undisputed]

Man, Jazz fans got screwed in the past year. That roster isn't very promising in the West.

[talkingconch]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher


Please...

[IGOTGAME]

they need to make a trade for one of the talented guards in the league. Try to get chris paul or westbrook. They need a star on that squad and they have all the pieces necessary to acquire one.

[GOBB]

Where is Derrick Favors?

[Yung D-Will]

The ****?

[alenleomessi]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom

I won't guarantee a championship next season but I will guarantee a playoff berth and possibly a 1st Round upset. We could even be next season's version of the 2011 Grizzlies too.
:wtf: Kanter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bynum

[Yung D-Will]

We can't have a bandwagon because no one cares if we succeed or fail unless you're a Jazz fan

[Stuckey]

40 wins may be

[Theoo's Daddy]

Where is Derrick Favors?

this..

[FireDavidKahn]

We can't have a bandwagon because no one cares if we succeed or fail unless you're a Jazz fan
I know that feel:cheers:

[alenleomessi]

We can't have a bandwagon because no one cares if we succeed or fail unless you're a Jazz fan
73 millions people do care :oldlol:

[Faberg]

The Jazz can probably compete for a low seed in the West, but that's about it.

The biggest reason they had a shot of making the playoffs last year was because of Williams and Sloan prior to them leaving.

[BrilliantLegacy]

30-35 wins. There are lots of teams on the West are still ahead of the Jazz. Also, Warriors > Jazz next season.

[DeronMillsap]

Where is Derrick Favors?
Bench unless Jefferson or Millsap is traded.

Realistically, the starting line up for next season would actually be:
C- Jefferson
PF- Millsap or Favors (I don't think Millsap is losing his starting gig after last season)
SF- Hayward (Millsap could take this starting job if he moves from PF to SF)
SG- Miles or Burks
PG- Harris

Kanter probably be off the bench. Burks could win the starting spot over Miles or Bell.

[roffie]

Two rookies and a second year player in the starting lineup....yea, playoffs.

lol this.

keep dreaming op mate

[magnax1]

Bench unless Jefferson or Millsap is traded.

Realistically, the starting line up for next season would actually be:
C- Jefferson
PF- Millsap or Favors (I don't think Millsap is losing his starting gig after last season)
SF- Hayward (Millsap could take this starting job if he moves from PF to SF)
SG- Miles or Burks
PG- Harris

Kanter probably be off the bench. Burks could win the starting spot over Miles or Bell.
They better not start Miles. Bench that dumbass, and play Bell and Burks. Burks has to be better then Miles....
Anyway, I think they'll probably be lottery bound again. 30-40 wins unless Hayward or favors make improvements quick. They're doing really well rebuilding so far though, and the Golden State pick could really make all the difference...

[Mrofir]

they wouldve gotten 73 wins with Jimmer, but sadly now they will only get 37


and by 73 with jimmer I mean 36

[DeronMillsap]

they need to make a trade for one of the talented guards in the league. Try to get chris paul or westbrook. They need a star on that squad and they have all the pieces necessary to acquire one.
We don't need no stinking star guard point. Harris is good enough.

All we need are a few things to happen:
- Kanter and/or Jefferson turn into elite centers
- Burks and Hayward to be great wing players
- Millsap to turn into the perfect 6th Man(i.e. Odom or Terry)
- And a good bench

[DeronMillsap]

They better not start Miles. Bench that dumbass, and play Bell and Burks. Burks has to be better then Miles....
Anyway, I think they'll probably be lottery bound again. 30-40 wins unless Hayward or favors make improvements quick. They're doing really well rebuilding so far though, and the Golden State pick could really make all the difference...
Actually, I don't want neither Miles or Bell on the team anymore but what can we do when we have nobody good other than Harris in the guard positions.

It's sad that our best scorer the guards is CJ Miles. :oldlol:

[magnax1]

Actually, I don't want neither Miles or Bell on the team anymore but what can we do when we have nobody good other than Harris in the guard positions.

It's sad that our best scorer the guards is CJ Miles. :oldlol:
I'm okay with Bell, but Miles is just terrible. 8/10 games he shoots something around 30%. At least Bell plays good man defense.
The front court is pretty crowded on this team though. Either they're going to have to play Millsap a ton at 3 or trade on of the bigs. I don't really get the direction this team is going... I don't know anything about Kanter, but Knight seemed like the obvious pick of everyone I knew on the board.

[DixieNourmous]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom





http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/jack_nicholson_lol_gif.gif

[ganja0710]

Millsap is outta there, sorry to burst your bubble.

[rocfan1]

we have a very talented raw team but with the veterans we have we can compete next year in the 6-8th range.

Offseasons not over we gotta see if their gonna move Milsap hopefully bring in a nice wing player like granger or iggy

[Ronin]

not on the wagon but I do like Kanters potential.

Gordon Hayward might end up being pretty good.

[ihatetimthomas]

They are going to have a serious logjam at the 4. Milsap, Favors and Al Jeff are all natural power forwards. Jeff can play some 5, but its going to be tough to develop their talent with all these bigmen. Not to mention Okur is still there.

They need to look to deal Jefferson if there is any takers. Makes a lot per year, but not too long. Milsap is such a bargain that they can get some real value with him. Okur is expiring at least.

[El Kabong]

They are going to have a serious logjam at the 4. Milsap, Favors and Al Jeff are all natural power forwards. Jeff can play some 5, but its going to be tough to develop their talent with all these bigmen. Not to mention Okur is still there.

They need to look to deal Jefferson if there is any takers. Makes a lot per year, but not too long. Milsap is such a bargain that they can get some real value with him. Okur is expiring at least.
Okur isn't a huge problem, he's probably not going to play a huge amount.

I'm guessing they'll be around 30-35 wins. They've got a lot of players with potential, who've shown they can play, but they've yet to prove they can do it every game.

[joshwake]

Utah will be solid next year. 40-45 wins

[kraze94]

Maybe I would've agreed with you if Jerry Sloan was still at the helm...

[Mrofir]

Maybe I would've agreed with you if Jerry Sloan was still at the helm...


yes we forget

Utah used to = Sloan + Stockton + Malone
then
Utah = Sloan + Deron Williams

Now Utah = Franchise that has no identity whatsoever

typically this doesn't work out well

[DeronMillsap]

Derrick Favors is gonna explode next season!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SKYpEVkiSA

Happy Birthday, Derrick!!! Dude just turned 20.

[Doranku]

yes we forget

Utah used to = Sloan + Stockton + Malone
then
Utah = Sloan + Deron Williams

Now Utah = Franchise that has no identity whatsoever

typically this doesn't work out well

Well it didn't work out that great with Sloan, either.

Zero titles in how many years? :oldlol: Maybe it was time for a change.

[DMV2]

5-3, 6th seed so far. Undefeated at home.

4-game winning streak, tied for current best.

[magnax1]

They've gotten pretty lucky lol. Weak schedule plus a ton of injuries to opposing teams, and most games played at home.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah way too early to get excited. They've got a lot to prove yet. There's certainly been some encouraging things but the roster is still a mess.

[Yung D-Will]

On a sidenote Devin Harris is a really bad passer.

[Xiao Yao You]

Guess that's the good thing about him not doing it much.

[Yung D-Will]

Guess that's the good thing about him not doing it much.

I think it was the game against Memphis he had like 3 turnovers in the first 3 passes he attempted. I was just like :facepalm

[alenleomessi]

hmm from the few games i watched im not impressed, they dont look like a playoff team, but we will see, favors, kanter and burks can only get better, and harris cant play any worse

okc
clippers
lakers
mavs
spurs
blazers
nuggs
grizzlies

they might take grizzlies place because of z-bo injury but i doubt it

[DMV2]

We've been really really good the last 10 games now. 9-1, and that one loss was an overtime loss to the Lakers.

[MastahX]

Jazz just got done raping the clippers and dominated the nuggets two nights ago. Jazz are legit

[kurple]

Jazz just got done raping the clippers and dominated the nuggets two nights ago. Jazz are legit
I would not say they dominated the Nuggets. Their first game this season, now THAT was domination (in favor of the nuggets:D )

But the team has been playing very good basketball lately, can not believe this is the same team we played in december

[DMV2]

Too lazy to make a game thread.

1/25/2012 Toronto Raptors(5-13) at Utah Jazz(10-5) (http://www.nbaliveonline.com/nbalive/watch/?match=J&link=1&game=Toronto%20Raptors%20at%20Utah%20Jazz)

Raptors trailed as many as 16 points in the 1st Quarter but now they're come back to pull within 5 point midway through the 2nd. 36-31, Jazz lead at the moment.

Jefferson OUT (right ankle), Favors got the start at center.

[Xiao Yao You]

Harris was the main reason for the lead. Should have rode with him longer. I'd get him and Millsap back in now. They had no answer for him

[DMV2]

I still believe, baby!!!!

Kobe 3 for 20, 7 TO's on Sunday
Durant 6 for 21, 6 TO's tonight

DAT JAZZ DEFENSE

Could have tied with Houston for the 8th if the Rockets didn't choke tonight.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shit I said something good about Harris? :wtf:

[prodigyjazz]

Paul Millsap Highlights vs. Thunder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XNtvpx-Nk

[DMV2]

Utah Jazz are on a 3-game road trip against the Eastern teams. Today at Atlanta, tomorrow in Newark and Wednesday in Boston.

They got an easy April schedule with only tough matches against the Spurs(2x), Magic, Grizzlies and Mavs. Other than the Spurs, the other 3 don't often look good at times.

If the Jazz DON'T make the playoffs, it would be a choke job in my opinion.

P.S. :bowdown: DeronMillsap is a genius by the way. He also predicted the Heat to lose in the Finals (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=224512).

[Xiao Yao You]

Tinsley officially has replaced Watson. Should be Harris on the bench though.

[DMV2]

Tinsley officially has replaced Watson. Should be Harris on the bench though.
Yeah, I noticed that and picked up Tinsley for my 18-team fantasy league.

Hopefully he can put up the recent numbers he's been putting up for the rest of the season.

Jazz vs Hawks: Hayward with a couple of great plays. Jefferson looks unstoppable.

Johnson is on fire 7/7 shooting.

[DMV2]

Joe Johnson 18 points on 8-for-8 shooting including two 3's in the 1st Q.

[niko]

HOw's Favors doing? He ever get his motor working? On the Nets he'd play hard 10% of the time.

[Xiao Yao You]

HOw's Favors doing? He ever get his motor working? On the Nets he'd play hard 10% of the time.

His motor has been going lately. in the middle of the year he didn't having it going.

[Xiao Yao You]

You'd think it was the Jazz playing their 3rd nite in a row.

[DMV2]

You'd think it was the Jazz playing their 3rd nite in a row.
Too many jumpshots and Harris/Tinsley weren't doing their jobs.

11 straight points to start off the 3rd though. All on fastbreak and lay-ups.

[DMV2]

Millsap with a great 3rd Q, Jazz up by 1 after being down by 15 at half.

[Xiao Yao You]

A tale of two halves.

[DMV2]

Amazing effort from our bench here in the 3rd/4th intermision. Favors and Burks double figures each, and 11 board together.

[IamRAMBO24]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom

I won't guarantee a championship next season but I will guarantee a playoff berth and possibly a 1st Round upset. We could even be next season's version of the 2011 Grizzlies too.

Great impressive lineup. Hayward is going to be a beast in the near future. The bench is solid. This is going to be a 50+ team if they can keep the team intact.

What the haters don't realize about the Jazz is they don't need a lot of individual talent to win games like the Lakers and Heat. They play within a system and as long as the players play hard and develope some chemistry, they can compete with the best.

[DMV2]

Starters can't make a bucket, yet no Favors or Burks in overtime yet. :facepalm

2nd overtime.

[LamarOdom]

:wtf: Kanter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bynum
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll252/st00gey/mj-laughing.gif

[joshwake]

This is just getting painful to watch. Neither team is putting in any effort they are both too tired. I would put in the bench and let them run.

[Xiao Yao You]

No way the Hawks should win a double OT game on the third night of a back to back to back. Not what you want with a game tomorrow.

[DMV2]

This is just getting painful to watch. Neither team is putting in any effort they are both too tired. I would put in the bench and let them run.
Burks and Favors, both with less than 20 minutes of play and both have scored double figures yet no PT in OT.

Awful not to sub those guys in. :facepalm

[joshwake]

Seriously, put Favors and Burks in for at least the first 2 min of 3OT. It would be the game.

[kNIOKAS]

Where's your gamethread? They've been playing for like forever, can't see a gamethread on top.

[iDunk]

I don't care what anyone says, Joe Johnson has been the clutchest player this season. The guy never fails in the clutch.

[Xiao Yao You]

Awful not to sub those guys in.

Not playing Burks and Tinsley has cost them all year long.

Nets have to be happy.

[joshwake]

Push The ****ing Ball........... Holy ****ing Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DMV2]

The worst triple overtime game ever! :facepalm

[joshwake]

Simply subbing in Burks for CJ would be the game right now. Burks could lay it up every possession.

[kNIOKAS]

The worst triple overtime game ever! :facepalm
This. If this went to fourth I wouldn't be thrilled watching such a historic moment.
Anyway, stream went down and nowhere to be found. I guess history wants to erase such a game by both teams.

[joshwake]

Why is CJ in this game? .... or rather... why is CJ still in the NBA?

[DMV2]

Any chance of Corbin winning COTY ends tonight. Really f--king retarded to play the starters 22 straight minutes counting back to the 4th substitution. :facepalm

The Jazz play the Nets tomorrow. No excuse not to play the bench in OT.

[joshwake]

If Corbin does not at least make one substitution in the 4th OT I am going to lose my shit...!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/115588/2/watch-utah-jazz-vs-atlanta-hawks.html

[Kungfro]

Holy crap, 4th overtime? Anyone got a game link?

[Raj Da Dodge]

I Need A Link Now!!!! Firstrowsports Is Not Working!!!!!

[Xiao Yao You]

Any chance of Corbin winning COTY ends tonight. Really f--king retarded to play the starters 22 straight minutes counting back to the 4th substitution. :facepalm

The Jazz play the Nets tomorrow. No excuse not to play the bench in OT.

Harris cost them too many games all year for him to be coach of the year. Bench will play tommorow. Evans too.

[Xiao Yao You]

works here

[joshwake]

Utah getting 2 losses tonight. Not playing any subs throughout all the OTs will result in a loss in NJ.

[DMV2]

Thank God there's a substitution...but that was because Big Al fouled out. :facepalm

[joshwake]

Pathetic. One of the worst games I can think of that I have ever seen.

[DMV2]

Utah getting 2 losses tonight. Not playing any subs throughout all the OTs will result in a loss in NJ.
Yup. Really f--king stupid on Corbin part to let the starters play 3-4 straight overtime and add 7 minutes from the 4th Q.

[joshwake]

I ****ing hate CJ. Has any player ever been given as many chances as the Jazz have given CJ?

[Xiao Yao You]

Worse loss of the year easily and it could cost them tomorrow too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Has any player ever been given as many chances as the Jazz have given CJ?

Jarron Collins

[joshwake]

Jarron Collins
ahh.. touche

[Xiao Yao You]

They lost this one in the first half.

[DMV2]

They lost this one in the first half.
Nah, I say it was late 4th Quarter and 1st OT. I think the starters had like 7 points in the last 5 minutes of the 4th and OT.

The bench gave us a lead midway in the 4th but the starters couldn't finish the job.

Oh and the loss is on Corbin.

[Hotlantadude81]

Pathetic. One of the worst games I can think of that I have ever seen.

First overtime - bad

The rest, good.

[Xiao Yao You]

Should have never been a ball game. Jazz didn't come to play til the 2nd half. Should have ran them out of the building in the 1st.

[DMV2]

Millsap drops 24 points and adds 13 boards in Newark after playing 50+ minutes the night before. :bowdown:

[mrpibb]

I ****ing hate CJ. Has any player ever been given as many chances as the Jazz have given CJ?

Alex Smith and the 49ers. That turned out well. Patience.

[magnax1]

CJ does not deserve minutes. Plain and simple. Even if he scores 20, his defense cancels it out.

[Xiao Yao You]

Alex Smith and the 49ers. That turned out well. Patience.

He's got about one more month. With Burks and Hayward around I can't see him being back next year.


Even if he scores 20, his defense cancels it out.

His D has been the best part of his game lately. I'd still rather see Burks, Hayward and Carroll getting the minutes at this point.

[ImmortalNemesis]

I didn't see this thread when the Jazz sucked.

The OP is a front runner.

[Hittin_Shots]

I didn't see this thread when the Jazz sucked.

The OP is a front runner.

Is that not what bandwagons are all about?

Anyway, do you guys think they win their next game?

[El Kabong]

Is that not what bandwagons are all about?

Anyway, do you guys think they win their next game?
Not sure how they'll to against Boston. It's winnable, but it's a home game for Boston so I'd pick them. Anyone know if Allen is going to play?

[Xiao Yao You]

Wouldn't expect them to beat Boston unless Harris pulls up lame.

[DMV2]

I didn't see this thread when the Jazz sucked.

The OP is a front runner.
OP is banned. And this thread was made around draft time, well before the season started.

Man, you just mad cuz your Rockets will fall out of the playoff race soon.

[El Kabong]

Alex Smith and the 49ers. That turned out well. Patience.
6 years is long enough for me, especially when it means he'd be given minutes that'd be better served being used on Burks and Hayward.

[ImmortalNemesis]

OP is banned. And this thread was made around draft time, well before the season started.

Man, you just mad cuz your Rockets will fall out of the playoff race soon.


You are the OP. Avy bet Houston will make the playoffs. Back your shit up.

[Clutch]

I root for the Jazz to make the playoffs mostly because of their crowd.
They have great atmosphere at home so it would be a joy to watch them.

Good crowd always makes games better.

[iDefend5]

OP is banned. And this thread was made around draft time, well before the season started.

Man, you just mad cuz your Rockets will fall out of the playoff race soon.
lol you are talking to some Tmac d!ck sucking fakkit. The guy is an idiot.

[DMV2]

You are the OP. Avy bet Houston will make the playoffs. Back your shit up.
Challenge accepted.

I'll rock a Rockets avatar in their 1st Round series match, Game 1 through games 4-7.

Rockets miss the playoffs, you rock a Jazz avatar during the Jazz's 1st Round series.

[joshwake]

I root for the Jazz to make the playoffs mostly because of their crowd.
They have great atmosphere at home so it would be a joy to watch them.

Good crowd always makes games better.
There is nothing like a playoff game in Utah.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Challenge accepted.

I'll rock a Rockets avatar in their 1st Round series match, Game 1 through games 4-7.

Rockets miss the playoffs, you rock a Jazz avatar during the Jazz's 1st Round series.


You got yourself a deal. No homo shit. Is user title and location included or not?

[DMV2]

You got yourself a deal. No homo shit. Is user title and location included or not?
Sure, why not. Avy, user title and location to the winner for the Rockets(me, if I lose) or Jazz(you, if you lose) 1st Round series.

By the way, Denver just slid into 8th place last night when your Rockets lost. :lol

[ImmortalNemesis]

Sure, why not. Avy, user title and location to the winner for the Rockets(me, if I lose) or Jazz(you, if you lose) 1st Round series.

By the way, Denver just slid into 8th place last night when your Rockets lost. :lol


:lol I know. To be honest with you I didn't think Houston would make the playoffs in the first place. But anything is possible. Before the season started I predicted Houston would end up 9th place. Looks like I'll be right. I really hope they make the playoffs tho. 2 years is enough.

[DMV2]

Jazz lose at the buzzer tonight. 9th seed now with Denver and Houston winning.

[DMAVS41]

Jazz lose at the buzzer tonight. 9th seed now with Denver and Houston winning.

I hate to do it because I like the Jazz normally....

But YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Mavs win in Orlando and Jazz lose at home to Kings:banana:

[StroShow4]

Jazz lose at the buzzer tonight. 9th seed now with Denver and Houston winning.

-Isaiah Thomas's game-tying FTs were bogus.
-DeMarcus Cousins' game-winning FT may have been bogus. Watson had his hand on a lot of basketball.

[prodigyjazz]

I hate to do it because I like the Jazz normally....

But YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Mavs win in Orlando and Jazz lose at home to Kings:banana:

LOL i don't think the jazz are going to be a threat to take over your Mavs playoff position. These next 2 road games @ Clippers & @ Blazers are important for jazz. tonight's loss was really bad, need to bounce back fast.

[Xiao Yao You]

Looks like Favors is learning all he wrong things from Harris and Jefferson. 0-13! Lose at home to Sacramento! 2nd loss to them! At least Corbin finally appears to be getting on the Burks bandwagon. Now if he'd just get Tinsley back in there.

[DMV2]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom

I won't guarantee a championship next season but I will guarantee a playoff berth and possibly a 1st Round upset. We could even be next season's version of the 2011 Grizzlies too.
If the Jazz make the playoffs and get a 1st Round series win, I think DeronMillsap should be unbanned.

[ImmortalNemesis]

I hope the Jazz don't make the playoffs so I don't have to use one of your shitty avatars, DMV2.

[Xiao Yao You]

If the Jazz make the playoffs and get a 1st Round series win, I think DeronMillsap should be unbanned.

You mean win one game in first round? Can't see them having any chance of winning the series. 2 games would be a pretty big accomplishment.

[DMV2]

We got a Big Four now, just like the Lakers. :rockon:

C: Kanter = Bynum
PF: Jefferson = Gasol
SF: Hayward = Artest
SG: Burks = Kobe
PG: Harris = Fisher

6th Man: Millsap = Odom

I won't guarantee a championship next season but I will guarantee a playoff berth and possibly a 1st Round upset. We could even be next season's version of the 2011 Grizzlies too.
:eek:

I don't know about you guys but I think this DeronMillsap guy was a genius.

[Xiao Yao You]

:eek:

I don't know about you guys but I think this DeronMillsap guy was a genius.

or delusional

[CakeorDeath]

or delusional

Perhaps he was optimistic. You could learn from him.

He was also right, apparently.

[Xiao Yao You]

Something wrong with realistic?

[CakeorDeath]

Something wrong with realistic?

Calling someone who predicted a playoff berth for the Jazz on the night the Jazz clinched a playoff berth delusional is not realistic. Quite the opposite, actually. A stubborn refusal to accept facts, and a persistent inability to allow anyone to enjoy the moment.

[DMV2]

Something wrong with realistic?
The whole comparison to the Lakers was sarcasm but the playoff prediction was legit.
I will guarantee a playoff berth is a legit statement.

[Xiao Yao You]

Calling someone who predicted a playoff berth for the Jazz on the night the Jazz clinched a playoff berth delusional is not realistic. Quite the opposite, actually. A stubborn refusal to accept facts, and a persistent inability to allow anyone to enjoy the moment.

Didn't call him delusional. Put up another option besides genius to ponder. If stating an opinion is keeping someone from enjoying the moment than they have some issues.

[Clutch]

2012 Jazz = 2011 Grizzlies ?

Let's go Jazz :rockon:

[El Kabong]

And now I feel like a bit of a fool since I picked 'em to only win 20-25 games for the year. Glad to see them prove me wrong.

[DMV2]

And now I feel like a bit of a fool since I picked 'em to only win 20-25 games for the year. Glad to see them prove me wrong.
The only reason why I had so much confident in the team was because we were under .500 last season. I had a real good feeling we'd be at least over .500 this season.

As we all know, the Utah Jazz are the greatest mediocre team in the history of the NBA. Playoffs after playoffs, no championships, no rebuilding via tanking. Just mediocrity at its finest!

[Yung D-Will]

I always just assumed DMV2 was DeronMillsap


DMV2=Deron Millsap Version 2?

[madmax]

The only reason why I had so much confident in the team was because we were under .500 last season. I had a real good feeling we'd be at least over .500 this season.

As we all know, the Utah Jazz are the greatest mediocre team in the history of the NBA. Playoffs after playoffs, no championships, no rebuilding via tanking. Just mediocrity at its finest!

well, at least you have a chance to win a ring...:lol
Some teams are eternal bottom dwellers with picks or no picks though:D

[DMV2]

I always just assumed DMV2 was DeronMillsap


DMV2=Deron Millsap Version 2?
I believe you are correct.

[chips93]

I believe you are correct.

did you post some weird sexual shit under deronmillsap?

i remember being creeped out by deronmillsap, but i cant remember why

[DMV2]

did you post some weird sexual shit under deronmillsap?

i remember being creeped out by deronmillsap, but i cant remember why
:roll: Yes but you don't wanna know...

Let's just move on.

[ImmortalNemesis]

DeronMillsap said he liked trannies. Really I think he's a closet homosexual. Anyway back on topic. The Jazz got lucky, Houston was plagued with injuries, the most important ones being Lowry and Martin. 4 out of the 5 players who started for Houston when the season started were coming off the bench (or injured) by mid-March. Scola was the only consistent starter for Houston. So yeah, go figure.

[DMV2]

DeronMillsap said he liked trannies. Really I think he's a closet homosexual. Anyway back on topic. The Jazz got lucky, Houston was plagued with injuries, the most important ones being Lowry and Martin. 4 out of the 5 players who started for Houston when the season started were coming off the bench (or injured) by mid-March. Scola was the only consistent starter for Houston. So yeah, go figure.
Got lucky? They beat the Lakers, Thunder and Heat in a span of like 10 days. That was the turning point for Utah.

As for Houston, well, these two posts are the reason why they missed the playoffs. Exhibit A: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7139021&postcount=3686 Exhibit B: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7139034&postcount=3688 They did almost proved me wrong but in the end I was right as I always am.

Just like this thread, I was right all along with the Rockets. :pimp:

[chips93]

DeronMillsap said he liked trannies. Really I think he's a closet homosexual. Anyway back on topic. The Jazz got lucky, Houston was plagued with injuries, the most important ones being Lowry and Martin. 4 out of the 5 players who started for Houston when the season started were coming off the bench (or injured) by mid-March. Scola was the only consistent starter for Houston. So yeah, go figure.

oh yeah, that was it

thanks, that was gonna bug me for a while

[DMV2]

oh yeah, that was it

thanks, that was gonna bug me for a while
i had a really bad week that week. sorry!

i've been a modeled ISH citizen ever since that permaban.

[chips93]

i had a really bad week that week. sorry!

i've been a modeled ISH citizen ever since that permaban.

:biggums:

you got banned for saying that you liked trannies?

or did you post pron?

[DMV2]

:biggums:

you got banned for saying that you liked trannies?

or did you post pron?
the latter :lol

[ImmortalNemesis]

Got lucky? They beat the Lakers, Thunder and Heat in a span of like 10 days. That was the turning point for Utah.

As for Houston, well, these two posts are the reason why they missed the playoffs. Exhibit A: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7139021&postcount=3686 Exhibit B: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7139034&postcount=3688 They did almost proved me wrong but in the end I was right as I always am.

Just like this thread, I was right all along with the Rockets. :pimp:

Major choke-job by Houston. I hate them so much. They actually gave me hope. I'm that kid who thought there would be gifts under the Christmas tree but instead found out Santa isn't real. :(

[chips93]

the latter :lol

:lebronamazed:

fwiw, i had a feeling that you posted shit about fvcking goats and bestiality, so trannies is kind of an upgrade

[DMV2]

Major choke-job by Houston. I hate them so much. They actually gave me hope. I'm that kid who thought there would be gifts under the Christmas tree but instead found out Santa isn't real. :(
Who do you guys need to improve? Frontcourt maybe? Scola, Camby, Dalembert are old. Millsap or Jefferson will probably be available in the offseason.

Lowry for Millsap?

Utah needs a PG. Scola needs a buddy.
:lebronamazed:

fwiw, i had a feeling that you posted shit about fvcking goats and bestiality, so trannies is kind of an upgrade
not according to Jeff/Insidehoops :lol

[ImmortalNemesis]

Who do you guys need to improve? Frontcourt maybe? Scola, Camby, Dalembert are old. Millsap or Jefferson will probably be available in the offseason.

Lowry for Millsap?

Utah needs a PG. Scola needs a buddy.
not according to Jeff/Insidehoops :lol

Camby played good for the Rockets but Houston still needs a front court upgrade. Camby is good off the bench, and Houston should get rid of Scola. He is a very good role player, but Houston isn't going anywhere with Scola. They will probably trade him and Lowry/Martin in the off season. The back-court is fine for Houston. Really the problem is that Houston simply doesn't have enough TALENT. They are a mediocre team with mediocre talent and a mediocre record. They will never get better if they keep getting the last pick in the lottery (14th). Either tank or trade for an all star.

[DMV2]

Camby played good for the Rockets but Houston still needs a front court upgrade. Camby is good off the bench, and Houston should get rid of Scola. He is a very good role player, but Houston isn't going anywhere with Scola. They will probably trade him and Lowry/Martin in the off season. The back-court is fine for Houston. Really the problem is that Houston simply doesn't have enough TALENT. They are a mediocre team with mediocre talent and a mediocre record. They will never get better if they keep getting the last pick in the lottery (14th). Either tank or trade for an all star.
Yeah, I noticed Scola production went down this year. He's not good enough to be the main frontcourt anchor. I think that's similar with Jefferson(better than Scola) and Millsap(same as Scola but more range, less inside game) but luckily they're good enough together. Plus, young talents like Favors and Kanter helps too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who do you guys need to improve? Frontcourt maybe? Scola, Camby, Dalembert are old. Millsap or Jefferson will probably be available in the offseason.

Lowry for Millsap?

Utah needs a PG. Scola needs a buddy.
not according to Jeff/Insidehoops :lol

Dragic would be a better fit than Lowry in Utah and Jefferson is the guy that has to go not the heart and soul of the team.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not sure why only Millsap sat tonite and they didn't play Ahearn and the kids even more than they did? Josh Howard looks ready to contribute. Raja looks ready to be a cheerleader!

GS just needs to lose to the D-league team the Spurs throw at them tonite to secure their lottery pick. Oh well. Jazz should be able to trade into the draft if they like Marshall enough.

[Xiao Yao You]

It's official! GS made it look good taking it down to the very last game of the year but they got it done. Jazz with no pick!

[magnax1]

It's official! GS made it look good taking it down to the very last game of the year but they got it done. Jazz with no pick!
How does that work? They still have to get 8th or lower in the lottery...

[DMV2]

The Warriors finished 7th or 8th because they tied the Raptors at 23-43.

Does it go by conference W-L then? If that's the case then, Toronto is 7th and Warriors are 8th because Raptors were 15-33 while Warriors were 16-32 in conference play.


How does that work? They still have to get 8th or lower in the lottery...
If Golden State finish 7th or lower, they keep their pick.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah I counted wrong. I believe there is a coin toss between them and Toronto for the 7th and 8th slot. If they get 8th and don't get lucky in the lottery their epic tanking efforts will be for nought.

[El Kabong]

Yeah I counted wrong. I believe there is a coin toss between them and Toronto for the 7th and 8th slot. If they get 8th and don't get lucky in the lottery their epic tanking efforts will be for nought.
Yep, it's a coin toss to determine the two picks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Coin toss is tomorrow apparently so don't have to wait long. The lottery will be in a month but chances aren't good from the 8th slot.

[magnax1]

Coin toss is tomorrow apparently so don't have to wait long. The lottery will be in a month but chances aren't good from the 8th slot.
8th pick is pretty damn great for a team that's in the playoffs. I don't know if there is a more obnoxiously pessimistic person on the planet then you.

[alenleomessi]

Good to see Enes getting some playing time, this is the first time he played for more than 30 minutes

[Xiao Yao You]

8th pick is pretty damn great for a team that's in the playoffs. I don't know if there is a more obnoxiously pessimistic person on the planet then you.


I was talking about the chances of GS getting lucky in the lottery from the 8th spot not very good i.e. the Jazz's chance of getting the pick very good depending on the coin toss which I'd say is about 50/50 odds. 8th for the Jazz is he best they could do this year without tanking their own pick which many think they should have!

I prefer realistic. Sorry for the lack of unicorns and rainbows in my world.


Good to see Enes getting some playing time, this is the first time he played for more than 30 minutes

He should have played those guys even more. Nothing on the line for either team. Was the chance to let some guys play and others rest.

[El Kabong]

Boy howdy I want to see the Jazz get the pick. Even if it wasn't the Jazz getting it i'd want GS to lose it just as payback for tanking.

[Xiao Yao You]

Indeed! If there's anything to that karma stuff things look food for the Jazz.

[B-Easy8]

I love this team, there frontcourt will be so good for the next 10 years.

I would trade Millsap for a young PG or wing, Jefferson, Favors and Kanter is an incredible 3 man rotation going forward with Evans playing spot minutes.

[Xiao Yao You]

I would trade Millsap for a young PG or wing

He is a wing and along with Hayward he's the last guy they should be trading. They are the two guys they should be building around right now.

[Yung D-Will]

He is a wing and along with Hayward he's the last guy they should be trading. They are the two guys they should be building around right now.
Lol when did this happen? :oldlol:

Don't state random statements like this as fact.

[Xiao Yao You]

When did what happen? Me stating an opinion based on what I've seen? :confusedshrug:

[CelticBaller]

lets go jazz :rockon:

[DMV2]

Golden State won the draft coin toss, so they keep their pick. :(

[Whoah10115]

Golden State won the draft coin toss, so they keep their pick. :(



I don't think it works like that. If the lottery gives them the #8 pick then they give you that pick.





But if I'm Utah I straight up don't want the headache of it. The only guy I want is Anthony Davis...or maybe Drummond, cuz he would play center.



There is literally no one else I'm interested in. And I have at least one available trade piece from my frontcourt...plus Devin Harris, plus the available free agent PG's.

[DMV2]

Oh, nice. So the lottery ball will be the final verdict.

[Yung D-Will]

The Draft Ball tells no lies.

It shall punish the tanking

:pimp:

[DMV2]

That'll be hilarious if the lottery strips them of their pick, if it lands on #8 or higher.

They tanked for nothing. :oldlol:

[mrpibb]

Have none of you put Xiao Yao You on ignore? Why?

[Xiao Yao You]

if I'm Utah I straight up don't want the headache of it. The only guy I want is Anthony Davis...or maybe Drummond, cuz he would play center.

They don't need a center unless he's a better fit than Favors or Kanter and while Drummond sounds like skill wise he could be a great fit he also sounds like a possible bust and I doubt he's falling to 8.

Of course they want the pick. They need to start developing a pg at the very least and can probably get any pg they want at that spot and could probably move down for more assets. Shooting is also a problem so if there is someone they think could fit better than Burks they'd have to consider him. If there are players they think fit what they do better than the young guys they already have thanthey need to take them.

To me Hayward is the only definite keeper of the young guys right now. The others still have a lot to prove. Marshall would appear to be their guy. Can always take an overseas player and stash him(which they've never been big on or else they'd have Splitter/the guy Toronto took last year/etc.) or trade the pick for assets. I want the pick just because GS' blatant tank job was sickening and karma is a bitch!

[Yung D-Will]

Have none of you put Xiao Yao You on ignore? Why?

I had him on ignore for a period but earlier in the season we were on the same page about Millsap, Jefferson and Devin but now we're back on completely different wavelengths and his pessimism does get out of hand at times.

[Xiao Yao You]

So you were off the Jefferson and Harris bandwagon and now you are back on?

I'm a realist not a pessimist. Sorry I don't see Jefferson and Harris leading the Jazz anywhere even against an ancient Spurs team that doesn't have a dominating D anymore.

[Yung D-Will]

So you were off the Jefferson and Harris bandwagon and now you are back on?

I'm a realist not a pessimist. Sorry I don't see Jefferson and Harris leading the Jazz anywhere even against an ancient Spurs team that doesn't have a dominating D anymore.
No. I feel Harris needs to be traded. At the begging of the season I wanted to trade both Jefferson and Millsap but at this point I'd rather keep them

I'm a realist. Not a pessimist or an optimist.

[Lebron23]

I don't like the Spurs. I will support this team in the first round.

[Xiao Yao You]

I wanted to trade both Jefferson and Millsap but at this point I'd rather keep them


Til when? When do you unlease Favors and Kanter? You want to extend Al? Give him a big fat raise?

[Yung D-Will]

Til when? When do you unlease Favors and Kanter? You want to extend Al? Give him a big fat raise?
A raise? The guy who took less money then he could of in the first place want's a raise? Based on what :lol ? Jefferson has always seemed like a guy much more concerned with being wanted by a team than crippling a team financially or his contract would have been much larger.

Kanter has shown nothing that makes me confident in him. At the beggining of the year I wanted to trade Millsap and Jefferson and just have Favors and Kanter as a frontcourt going forward but after seeing them play I realized that's unrealistic at this moment.

[UtahJazzFan88]

A raise? The guy who took less money then he could of in the first place want's a raise? Based on what :lol ? Jefferson has always seemed like a guy much more concerned with being wanted by a team than crippling a team financially or his contract would have been much larger.

Kanter has shown nothing that makes me confident in him. At the beggining of the year I wanted to trade Millsap and Jefferson and just have Favors and Kanter as a frontcourt going forward but after seeing them play I realized that's unrealistic at this moment.

I agree with you on the first part about Jefferson, but I don't understand your point about Kanter at all. You really had expectations for a guy that didn't play any college basketball, and was already considered a project player? He takes time to develop. He has played well when given minutes as well.

[Xiao Yao You]

A raise? The guy who took less money then he could of in the first place want's a raise? Based on what



Based on the fact that he can probably get it. Boozer did.


Kanter has shown nothing that makes me confident in him. At the beggining of the year I wanted to trade Millsap and Jefferson and just have Favors and Kanter as a frontcourt going forward but after seeing them play I realized that's unrealistic at this moment.

Looks like he has the tools to play in Utah. High/low post. Willing screen setter. Tough defender. Potentially elite rebounder. Everything Fessenko wasn't. :D

Youngest guy in the league who shows something new every time he's on the court. He's came a long ways in the past 5 months after sitting out last year and having no summer or real training camp. Next year they should have a lot better idea about him, Favors and Burks.

Also have Evans that looks like he's got something to offer in the brief glimpes we've had of him. He should have been down in the D-league if they weren't going to play him. It's where I figured Kanter would be based on what I was reading before the season. I didn't expect anything from him and he's been in the rotation of a playoff team all year. :applause:

[Yung D-Will]

You don't understand. He was offered more money but he took less.

So what makes you think if he could get more money he'd take it this time? Has something changed that dramatically. All that's changed is he's on a better team. The one thing Minny Fans always respected him for is when he could have gotten the max he took less.


And about Kanter. I don't see it. I honesty get more excited over Evans in limited minutes than I ever do with Kanter. In fact the thought of Kanter getting the ball in the post makes me cringe.

[Xiao Yao You]

You don't understand. He was offered more money but he took less.

So what makes you think if he could get more money he'd take it this time? Has something changed that dramatically. All that's changed is he's on a better team. The one thing Minny Fans always respected him for is when he could have gotten the max he took less.

So he's going to take mid-level and come off the bench to allow Favors to start because he just wants to win? He's overpaid now as far as I'm concerned and they will have to pay others in time. What's the plan? He will be a free agent. It has to be dealt with. The Millers will have no problem taking money away from him. They did it to Stockton his whole career.



In fact the thought of Kanter getting the ball in the post makes me cringe.

Yet he's been effective and keeps getting better. From what I gather he was a high post player that they have force fed inside. Just showed the Big Al pump fake. Maybe Al's biggest contribution yet. How could you not love it not to mention a nice jump hook and nice touch from the perimeter.

[Yung D-Will]

So he's going to take mid-level and come off the bench to allow Favors to start because he just wants to win? He's overpaid now as far as I'm concerned and they will have to pay others in time. What's the plan? He will be a free agent. It has to be dealt with. The Millers will have no problem taking money away from him. They did it to Stockton his whole career.




Yet he's been effective and keeps getting better. From what I gather he was a high post player that they have force fed inside. Just showed the Big Al pump fake. Maybe Al's biggest contribution yet. How could you not love it not to mention a nice jump hook and nice touch from the perimeter.


And no who said he'd be coming off the bench? Taking less money and coming off the bench are two different scenarios. If he continues to improve his passing there's no reason why'd I'd bring him off the bench. If you're paying him to come off the bench then don't sign him. If you're signing him as a starter give him about the same money you're committing to Millsap.

That bolded line pretty much sums up why I can't argue with you about Jefferson. The idea that Jefferson's biggest contribution to this season in which him and Millsap flat out willed us to more than a handful of wins.... would be teaching Kanter a pump fake is just so out there. And exactly why I can't ever cosign on the notion that you qualify as a "Realist"
:biggums:

[Xiao Yao You]

If he continues to improve his passing there's no reason why'd I'd bring him off the bench.

And this is how likely? Obviously he can pass if he chooses to. Hr generally prefers not to.


If you're paying him to come off the bench then don't sign him.

But it's ok to pay Millsap to do that? Where does Favors figure in?


If you're signing him as a starter give him about the same money you're committing to Millsap.

He's going to take half as much money? Millsap is likely going to want his raise.

[UtahJazzFan88]

And this is how likely? Obviously he can pass if he chooses to. Hr generally prefers not to.

That's funny considering Millsap averages .1 more APG than Jefferson.

If you want to nitpick at Big Al, nitpick at his defense.

[Xiao Yao You]

It isn't because Millsap doesn't pass. He has a lot less touches for starters. He doesn't get surrounded by defenders and force shots up through triple teams. He plays in the offense and takes what is given to him.

[Yung D-Will]

He is passing which is why since the break hes averaging 2.5 apg.

And I was talking about after Millsap's raise

[DMV2]

Only two wheels left on this wagon, but still got time to repair the damages in Utah.

[DMV2]

Gonna take this bandwagon into the shop and repair some damages. Hopefully, we steal Golden State's pick if they get #8 or higher.

2012 Jazz Playoff Appearance [Mission Accomplished]
2013 Jazz 2nd Round Appearance [To be determined]

[04mzwach]

Al Jefferson was there to save the day. Millsap threw it away.

Funny how Utah fans think Millsap is a better player than Al Jefferson. Al Jefferson is so much better than him. I hope he leaves Utah so he can get some teammates that don't let him down. Chances are Utah NEEDS him though. They just don't have the go to punch that Jefferson provides.

[DMV2]

Al Jefferson was there to save the day. Millsap threw it away.

Funny how Utah fans think Millsap is a better player than Al Jefferson. Al Jefferson is so much better than him. I hope he leaves Utah so he can get some teammates that don't let him down. Chances are Utah NEEDS him though. They just don't have the go to punch that Jefferson provides.
Even in Millsap's worst offensive game, he still got 19 boards.

As good as Jefferson's hooks are, he's a blackhole.

Anyway, Jefferson will be gone since we got a real center in Favors now.

[TMT]

Good run you guys. Good to see there are still fans who stick with their team through thick and thin. See you all next season when I'm sure you will be much improved.

:cheers:

[t-rex]

You guys made a nice symbolic run at the end. It was good to see. The West is stacked (yet again). The Jazz are a class organization. Good luck next year.

[GabeIsGone]

http://funny-pics.co/wp-content/uploads/funny-hamster-loves-to-sweep.jpg

[joshwake]

Al Jefferson was there to save the day. Millsap threw it away.

Funny how Utah fans think Millsap is a better player than Al Jefferson. Al Jefferson is so much better than him. I hope he leaves Utah so he can get some teammates that don't let him down. Chances are Utah NEEDS him though. They just don't have the go to punch that Jefferson provides.
Milsap is the MVP of the jazz without a doubt, but he needs to be a 3rd option, 2nd max. I hate to think of the offense without big Al but he is not nearly as important to the team moving forward, he just does not put enough effort in on D, his help D is almost non existant and his boxing out is pathetic. I applaud him for trying to learn how to run an offense through him, and trying to make the pass out of the double team etc, but he has to be so much better than that, and it is too late in his career. You can't try and run your offense through a guy like that, period.

Going forward I think the jazz run it through Favors and look to Hayward and Milsap as the 2nd and 3rd option in whatever order they show they deserve. I actually think they may be a better team with Kanter as their center, well, as he develops. I have no idea what to do with Harris, but he has shown that he does not have the consistency to be our starting PG, and I don't think he really knows how to run an offense properly. I wouldn't mind him maybe as a combo guard off the bench, but it would have to be for less cash.

All things considered, I am proud they fought to make the playoffs but I am disappointed that the Jazz didnt put more of a fight into this series, but man this spurs team looks so crisp. I was hoping for Ty to get his first playoff win, lets hope he learned a thing or two going up one of the greatest coaches of all time.

[solar.hands]

nice series jazz
ya'll guys need
better coach
better pg
and better perimeter players
and ur good to go
gudluck in the off season

[Xiao Yao You]

Funny how Utah fans think Millsap is a better player than Al Jefferson.

They don't I do.


Al Jefferson is so much better than him.

I'll go with the warrior not the quitter myself.


I think the jazz run it through Favors and look to Hayward and Milsap as the 2nd and 3rd option in whatever order they show they deserve.

Favors is a long ways From running the offense through him. Hayward and Millsap are the guys now. Hopefully Burks and some new pg's are able to help out next year.


I have no idea what to do with Harris

Take the best offer for him before October. Easy. Throw in picks/TPE/etc. if you have to. He has to go!



I wouldn't mind him maybe as a combo guard off the bench, but it would have to be for less cash.

That's a possible role but I don't think he would go for it and I'm not sure they have the foresight to put him in that role?


lets hope he learned a thing or two going up one of the greatest coaches of all time.

I'm sure he did. He's been growing with the team all year. Not quick Enough but he's coming along I think.

[DMV2]

The 2012-13 Jazz Bandwagon is up and runnin' again. This time, our destination is the 2nd Round.

Go Jazz! :rockon:

[Xiao Yao You]

Trade Al! The future is now!

[chips93]

Trade Al! The future is now!

what do you guys see as the ceiling of the kanter/favors/hayward/burks core?

or is burks no longer a big piece for you guys moving forward

[Xiao Yao You]

Burks has been rumored to be on the block. Hard to say what their ceiling will be. They have a lot of potential but a lot yet to prove.

[IGotACoolStory]

What would you get back for Burks?

He hasn't really been given enough burn to show his value, imo. Unless there's a reason for that... Like Utah hiding his flaws, hoping someone bites on the potential tag.

btw, I was a big fan of his going into the draft. He rarely plays when I watch so I have no idea if he's any good.

[Xiao Yao You]

What would you get back for Burks?

Another wing or pg prospect or pick?


He hasn't really been given enough burn to show his value, imo. Unless there's a reason for that... Like Utah hiding his flaws, hoping someone bites on the potential tag.

They are deep and he hasn't shown he can fit into their offense. He's an iso player. He likes to either pull up or put his head down and roll to the rim ala Devin Harris :no: . That's not Jazz basketball. He has to show he can play his game within their offense still. He has the skill set to do so rather he has the mindset remains to be seen.


btw, I was a big fan of his going into the draft. He rarely plays when I watch so I have no idea if he's any good.

He's good. He's athletic. He can get to the hole and the line. He gets after it on D. He can handle the ball. His jumper doesn't look bad. He's played 3 positions.