Tim Duncan will retire soon and people won't give a damn

[Tarik One]

and it's unfortunate that one of the best and most successful players ever will go out so unpraised by the general public.

[bagelred]

Who is this "Tim Duncan" you speak of?

[Orlando Magic]

Yeah... who the **** is Tim Duncan? Why the **** should we care about a name we've never heard of?

[ImmortalD24]

:sleeping

[Godzuki]

no big deal. AI is going out worse. Payton went out pretty bad. Duncan's had enough love for what he's done from fans/media already to last him 3 retirements of due credit.

[JohnnySic]

What happens when Kobe retires? Will a million 'stans blast themselves? I hope so.

[indiefan24]

If there is a lockout, it would be appropriate if the Spurs won the championship and Duncan rode into the sunset.

[Go Getter]

Spurs fans are people and they will give a Damn. So will true NBA fans. I mean they are retiring not dying, what should the general public do in tour eyes to pay homage?

Dudes a b ball player not a war hero.

[Harison]

People care, and its sad that this day is coming. Shaq just retired, AI flame out, Kobe is declining, KG on his last legs (although looks better than Duncan), Kidd, G.Hill and Nash will retire very soon too :(

Cant beat Father Time, and all players get the recognition they deserved. Except maybe AI, but he can only blame himself.

[JohnnySic]

Paul Pierce is still going strong. That's good news.

[Stuckey]

we need more 7 fters to play like Duncan, he goes ham in a quiet way

[Bigsmoke]

i would care a little bit.

the best PF to ever played the game, great person, had some historical season, top 5 post player ever...

Brook Lopez is the biggest Tim Duncan fan in the NBA so i hope Timmy will retire and work on Lopez' game a little. Its funny how i'm not really THAT big of a fan of Tim Duncan about love watching Brook Lopez.

[Toizumi]

Spurs fans are people and they will give a Damn. So will true NBA fans. I mean they are retiring not dying, what should the general public do in tour eyes to pay homage?

Dudes a b ball player not a war hero.

Exactly.

Not many retirements are "big deals". Jordan first retired when he was still great, so that was shocking. Erving retired due to his disease...
Players that leave the game while they're still good players. That's what people care about most.

Duncan will be missed, but he is over the hill already and the end of his playing days is nearing. This is just how it goes :confusedshrug: I already miss prime Duncan.. I still love to watch Timmy play though. When he retires, he will be missed by me, just like I miss tons of players that have retired since I've started watching the game.

Trust me on this though, Duncan's name won't ring out quick. All this "he is not mentioned enough/underrated for his career" stuff is just BS. He is generally accepted as the best PF ever by players/commentators/fans of the game. One of the best fundamental players ever. Arguably the best player of the 2000's. That label will stick.

[rwfletch22]

Much respect to Duncan, his game isn't the most exciting, but it's effective.......I think I would like him more if he didn't whine about every single foul ever called against him

[OKCThunderUP]

and it's unfortunate that one of the best and most successful players ever will go out so unpraised by the general public.

It's kind of his own fault though. The dude did not make himself available for the "general public." How many commercials has he been in? Not counting the NBA Cares commercials. I'm talking Gatorade, Nike, etc...

[Butters]

Greatest PF of all time.

Ill miss his bank shot the most:cry:

[Joey Zaza]

The only retirement I can think of that was a league-wide big deal was KAJ. Unlike other retirements, he announced it before the season-o evey stop was KAJ's last time in XYZ city. Also unlike other retirements, dude played for 20 years, retired with almost every meaningful record and was the clear best player in the league for about 10 years.

For TD, the SA folks will care and retire his jersey we'll hear Sportscenter make a big deal..maybe a good local reporter treats it as a story. Not much else ca nhappen.

[BEAST Griffin]

Best player of his generation.

:bowdown:

[JohnnySic]

Where does Duncan rank among centers? Because that's his real position:

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, then Duncan #6?

[SpecialQue]

It's kind of his own fault though. The dude did not make himself available for the "general public." How many commercials has he been in? Not counting the NBA Cares commercials. I'm talking Gatorade, Nike, etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovc4O63Gb2E

GOAT ads.

[824]

I already miss Duncan, and a number of others.

I'm ready for the season to start and it just ended.

[rule1223]

Best player of his generation.

:bowdown:
kobe and shaq are in his generation...

[obonpaxis]

It's kind of his own fault though. The dude did not make himself available for the "general public." How many commercials has he been in? Not counting the NBA Cares commercials. I'm talking Gatorade, Nike, etc...

He and David Robinson were in that stupid Edge shaving commercial. That's it though.

One of the reasons I thought Duncan was awesome was that he kept a relatively low profile and never felt compelled to sell sugar water to morons.

If everyone could rewatch his 2003 playoff run, I doubt there'd be any discussion about "overrated". That team had no business going anywhere. He was a monster during those days.

Wait I just saw that Mootopia commercial. Damn it Timmy you're just like all the rest!

[DCL]

the timing is kinda odd.

duncan emerged as a champion during the last lockout.

and now he's leaving during this lockout. but still, nothing official yet.

[All Net]

What happens when Kobe retires? Will a million 'stans blast themselves? I hope so.

The NBA will certainly suffer when he does.

[JohnnySic]

I will always have reverence for TD. This is the man that killed that Shaq-Kobe noise (the Pistons may have delivered the death blow, but it was Duncan that mortally wounded the beast). If only he had done it 3 seasons sooner.

Duncan. :bowdown:

[SpecialQue]

I will always have reverence for TD. This is the man that killed that Shaq-Kobe noise (the Pistons may have delivered the death blow, but it was Duncan that mortally wounded the beast). If only he had done it 3 seasons sooner.

Duncan. :bowdown:

Same respect I have for Jordan's Bulls and the Pistons killing the Larry Bird Celtics era.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

kobe and shaq are in his generation...

Tim Duncan is better than Kobe Bryant.

[JohnnySic]

Same respect I have for Jordan's Bulls and the Pistons killing the Larry Bird Celtics era.
No one killed the 80's Celtics, they just ran their course. :no:

TD and Pistons killed Shaq/Kobe. They all but shaved the Kobe 'fro.

[rwfletch22]

Tim Duncan is better than Kobe Bryant.
I want some of what you're smoking :lol

[Nero Tulip]

Huh.... he isn't retiring yet guys. Save it for when he is.


Much respect to Duncan, his game isn't the most exciting, but it's effective.......I think I would like him more if he didn't whine about every single foul ever called against him

Says the guy with Kobe and Pau in his avatar (but really, any player would've been the same... they ALL whine and Duncan isn't one of the worst).


It's kind of his own fault though. The dude did not make himself available for the "general public." How many commercials has he been in? Not counting the NBA Cares commercials. I'm talking Gatorade, Nike, etc...

If he isn't noticed because he's not in commercials, that tells more about the NBA public than the player. I personnally respect a ton more for not being an attention whore like most superstars.

[I.R.Beast]

Basketball is entertainment, and even though i love fundamentals, i alos like the flash tied into it. Duncan was undoubtedly the best at his position in his prime, but he had absolutely no flash to his game at all, hence no entertainment value. He never sought out to be recognized, he sought out to win and he did that, and he will never be forgotten for that. While noone will "miss" him from an entertainment value standpoint due to him being as boring as boring can be, he will never be forgotten for what he has accomplished and how great he was.

[rwfletch22]

No one killed the 80's Celtics, they just ran their course. :no:

TD and Pistons killed Shaq/Kobe. They all but shaved the Kobe 'fro.

IMO, Shaq/Kobe/Phil killed Shaq/ Kobe

[Nero Tulip]

I want some of what you're smoking :lol

The thing is, if most NBA fans weren't completely blind it would be almost impossible to argue that Bryant is better.

The only one in his generation who's probably ahead is O'Neal.

[Butters]

I want some of what you're smoking :lol
Alot of people must be smoking,because most people do have TD ranked ahead of Kobe as a player and on the all time list.

[Nero Tulip]

Basketball is entertainment, and even though i love fundamentals, i alos like the flash tied into it. Duncan was undoubtedly the best at his position in his prime, but he had absolutely no flash to his game at all, hence no entertainment value. He never sought out to be recognized, he sought out to win and he did that, and he will never be forgotten for that. While noone will "miss" him from an entertainment value standpoint due to him being as boring as boring can be, he will never be forgotten for what he has accomplished and how great he was.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I've always thought this "boring" thing was mostly a media bias. Have you watched him play? He would do things like an off balanced hook shot on one leg with his left hand, and people would call it "fundamentals"....

The reason he's considered boring is not because of the way he plays, but because of his lack of mistakes off the court.

For people like me who don't give a damn about cheap "flash", we want the game to remain competitive, and to be all about winning, not the reputation of a few star players. When the game becomes all superstar wing players taking as many shots as humanly possible to inflate their stats, that's when the game will lose its entertainment value for me.

Basketball is in a sad state if there are people arguing " well this guy sucked, all he did was win!"

[I.R.Beast]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I've always thought this "boring" thing was mostly a media bias. Have you watched him play? He would do things like an off balanced hook shot on one leg with his left hand, and people would call it "fundamentals"....

The reason he's considered boring is not because of the way he plays, but because of his lack of mistakes off the court.

For people like me who don't give a damn about cheap "flash", we want the game to remain competitive, and to be all about winning, not the reputation of a few star players. When the game becomes all superstar wing players taking as many shots as humanly possible to inflate their stats, that's when the game will lose its entertainment value for me.

Basketball is in a sad state if there are people arguing " well this guy sucked, all he did was win!"

i have watched him play alot..he was my favorite PF, he was broing to watch but i could stay tuned into games because of the ever exciting Parker and ginobli.

[Odinn]

Alot of people must be smoking,because most people do have TD ranked ahead of Kobe as a player and on the all time list.
http://i1106.hizliresim.com/2011/6/24/11163.jpg

[Butters]

^^ just to clarify, i was saying TD is >Kobe,although my post might make it seem otherwise,context and sheet.

[rwfletch22]

The thing is, if most NBA fans weren't completely blind it would be almost impossible to argue that Bryant is better.

The only one in his generation who's probably ahead is O'Neal.
:oldlol: u serious bro? :oldlol:

[Butters]

:oldlol: u serious bro? :oldlol:

Finish this sentence.

Kobe is greater than duncan because........(this is where you fill in)

[DRose1899]

:oldlol: u serious bro? :oldlol:
I'm kobe fans, but yeah I'm rate Duncan higher than him.

[ihatetimthomas]

Maybe the general public wont care much because he is not really a household name, but I assure you each and every real basketball fan will indeed give a damn and be deeply saddened when he does retire. Anyone with any basketball knowledge knows what he was, and what kind of impact he has had on the game. The basketball community will probably care more about him retiring than Shaq.

[rwfletch22]

Finish this sentence.

Kobe is greater than duncan because........(this is where you fill in)

Better Scorer, Better Defender.......More rings against better teams in the Finals

Duncan hasn't even been his teams best player since 2005


I'm by no means a Duncan hater, he just isn't better than Kobe all-time

[ihatetimthomas]

i have watched him play alot..he was my favorite PF, he was broing to watch but i could stay tuned into games because of the ever exciting Parker and ginobli.

If you think premiere footwork, top notch post moves, excellent passing and amazing man and help defense is boring to watch, then you need to find another sport to watch. For me, Duncan in his prime was one of the most entertaining to watch from a basketball perspective. Yes he wasnt flashy in terms of high fly acts and power, but he is one of the most complete 2 way players to ever live.

[DRose1899]

Better Scorer, Better Defender.......More rings against better teams in the Finals

Duncan hasn't even been his teams best player since 2005


I'm by no means a Duncan hater, he just isn't better than Kobe all-time
please, u don't actually believe this rubbish.

[talkingconch]

If there is a lockout, it would be appropriate if the Spurs won the championship and Duncan rode into the sunset.

LOL

[rwfletch22]

please, u don't actually believe this rubbish.


Duncan- 8 time All Defense

Kobe- 11 time All Defense


As voted by the NBA coaches, I believe they would have a pretty good idea...

[The Ownage]

Better Scorer, Better Defender.......More rings against better teams in the Finals

Duncan hasn't even been his teams best player since 2005


I'm by no means a Duncan hater, he just isn't better than Kobe all-time
:roll:

[thejumpa]

Duncan- 8 time All Defense

Kobe- 11 time All Defense


As voted by the NBA coaches, I believe they would have a pretty good idea...

3-4 of those defensive nods came from Kobes reputation and not actual play.

[I.R.Beast]

If you think premiere footwork, top notch post moves, excellent passing and amazing man and help defense is boring to watch, then you need to find another sport to watch. For me, Duncan in his prime was one of the most entertaining to watch from a basketball perspective. Yes he wasnt flashy in terms of high fly acts and power, but he is one of the most complete 2 way players to ever live.

Duncan was BORING.....he had no flash to go along with his fundamentals and i am a huge fan of sound fundamentals, Duncan despite having that was very Boring, from the way he finished to his demeanor.

[Odinn]

Duncan- 13 time All Defense

Kobe- 11 time All Defense


As voted by the NBA coaches, I believe they would have a pretty good idea...
Fixed it for you.

Also Duncan the only player who made All-NBA and All-Defensive team in his first 13 seasons.

Done.

[ihatetimthomas]

Duncan was BORING.....he had no flash to go along with his fundamentals and i am a huge fan of sound fundamentals, Duncan despite having that was very Boring, from the way he finished to his demeanor.

Great fundamentals to me is not boring at all and should not be for anyone who follows basketball. You have bought into the media craze that flashy dunks, super athletic players, and colorful personalities are the only means of entertainment.

[rwfletch22]

Fixed it for you.

Also Duncan the only player who made All-NBA and All-Defensive team in his first 13 seasons.

Done.



Oh my bad Bro.

Duncan- 8 time 1st team

Kobe- 9 time 1st team

[rmt]

Better Scorer, Better Defender.......More rings against better teams in the Finals

Duncan hasn't even been his teams best player since 2005


I'm by no means a Duncan hater, he just isn't better than Kobe all-time

Duncan anchored the best defense in the league for over a decade.

Duncan - 4 rings without an All-NBA team mate, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVP
Kobe - 3 rings with the MDE/top 6-8 GOAT and 2 with elite PF, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP

[rwfletch22]

Duncan anchored the best defense in the league for over a decade.

Duncan - 4 rings without an All-NBA team mate, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVP
Kobe - 3 rings with the MDE/top 6-8 GOAT and 2 with elite PF, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP

IMO, the Pistons were the best defensive team of the decade....

And puuuhlleese don't act like Timmy didn't have loaded talent around him, thats a smack in the face to D. Robinson-Parker-Ginobli-Bowen-and even guys like Horry & Kerr that helped win those rings with some big playoff games

[The-Legend-24]

Duncan better than Kobe all-time? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Duncan was fortunate to have a good team around him for his whole career.
Once Kobe retires, the NBA won't be the same.

[Butters]

SMH at people thinking duncan had a better supporting cast.

The ONLY thing Kobe does better is score,thats it,and even then,timmy holds his own in that regard as well. 20/11 for his career?even still with these regressed years.

3 finals mvp with 4 rings>kobe

[Samurai Swoosh]

3-4 of those defensive nods came from Kobes reputation and not actual play.
Sad, but true.

[SayTownRy]

IMO, the Pistons were the best defensive team of the decade....

are you gonna back this up with defensive team selections too? that was very telling.

[rwfletch22]

SMH at people thinking duncan had a better supporting cast.

The ONLY thing Kobe does better is score,thats it,and even then,timmy holds his own in that regard as well. 20/11 for his career?even still with these regressed years.

3 finals mvp with 4 rings>kobe

I know you aren't talking about me, I never said he had a better cast than kobe has had.........However, you act like he has carried the Spurs for a decade and that Sir, is false. Timmy has had some great players around him.....Like a previously said, it's slap in the face to those guys

[Samurai Swoosh]

Tim Duncan that I know has been retired since the end of the 2008 season.

Just like Shaq, it's merely a formality at this point.

[Nero Tulip]

SMH at people thinking duncan had a better supporting cast.

The ONLY thing Kobe does better is score,thats it,and even then,timmy holds his own in that regard as well. 20/11 for his career?even still with these regressed years.

3 finals mvp with 4 rings>kobe

Better as in "takes more shots". Duncan is the more efficient scorer by far.

[rmt]

I know you aren't talking about me, I never said he had a better cast than kobe has had.........However, you act like he has carried the Spurs for a decade and that Sir, is false. Timmy has had some great players around him.....Like a previously said, it's slap in the face to those guys

Tim Duncan is the only player in NBA history to be selected to all-nba and all-defensive teams for the first 13 years of his career. I think that's carrying the Spurs for a decade.

[The-Legend-24]

Better as in "takes more shots". Duncan is the more efficient scorer by far.
:facepalm He's a PF, and plays closer to the basket, so if he's better than Kobe because he's more efficient, then Duncan > Jordan? :confusedshrug:
LOL @ these fools KB > TD

[Bigsmoke]

I have Duncan over Kobe. :confusedshrug:

[Nero Tulip]

:facepalm He's a PF, and plays closer to the basket, so if he's better than Kobe because he's more efficient, then Duncan > Jordan? :confusedshrug:
LOL @ these fools KB > TD

No actually Jordan was more efficient. Look it up. That guy was ridiculous.

[StacksOnDeck]

Duncan over Kobe? HA!

[rwfletch22]

Tim Duncan is the only player in NBA history to be selected to all-nba and all-defensive teams for the first 13 years of his career. I think that's carrying the Spurs for a decade.
So, Parker-Ginobli-Bowen-D. Robinson- Pops as coach-Brent Barry-Steve Ker-Robert Horry-Mario Elie-Steve Smith-Stephen Jackson-Danny Ferry-Rasho Nesterovic-Michael Finley-Nick Van Exel.....ect. Those guys are complete scrubs, right? :facepalm

[The-Legend-24]

So, Parker-Ginobli-Bowen-D. Robinson- Pops as coach-Brent Barry-Steve Ker-Robert Horry-Mario Elie-Steve Smith-Stephen Jackson-Danny Ferry-Rasho Nesterovic-Michael Finley-Nick Van Exel.....ect. Those guys are complete scrubs, right? :facepalm
Of course without those guys duncan still has 4 rings. :oldlol:

[dallaslonghorn]

:facepalm He's a PF, and plays closer to the basket, so if he's better than Kobe because he's more efficient, then Duncan > Jordan? :confusedshrug:
LOL @ these fools KB > TD

Honestly ... if I was choosing between to start a franchise between a 21-year old Duncan and a 21-year old Jordan -- it would be a REALLY tough choice. There's a reason no one really busts on Houston for taking Hakeem over MJ.

Just think in terms of positional scarcity -- a team of Duncan/Rodman/Pippen is getting titles. A team of Parker/Manu/MJ -- I don't know. They'd better have some good big men.

As for whether Duncan gets "the respect" he deserves: "I'm thankful and elated to be recognized. To be thought of even in that conversation, it's a wonderful honor. But the validation of men has never influenced me either way." -- Deion Sanders on making the Hall

[Jacks3]

if I was choosing between to start a franchise between a 21-year old Duncan and a 21-year old Jordan -- it would be a REALLY tough choicel
:roll:

[Jacks3]

Better as in "takes more shots". Duncan is the more efficient scorer by far.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Better Scorer, Better Defender.......More rings against better teams in the Finals

Duncan hasn't even been his teams best player since 2005


I'm by no means a Duncan hater, he just isn't better than Kobe all-time

:facepalm

[greymatter]

Duncan's a humble, well-liked guy and a top 12-15 player all time. Plenty of people will give a damn.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Someone's gonna care.

[Basketball Fan]

It's kind of his own fault though. The dude did not make himself available for the "general public." How many commercials has he been in? Not counting the NBA Cares commercials. I'm talking Gatorade, Nike, etc...


Sprite commercial w/ Kobe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC099FK-ltc

[rmt]

So, Parker-Ginobli-Bowen-D. Robinson- Pops as coach-Brent Barry-Steve Ker-Robert Horry-Mario Elie-Steve Smith-Stephen Jackson-Danny Ferry-Rasho Nesterovic-Michael Finley-Nick Van Exel.....ect. Those guys are complete scrubs, right? :facepalm

None of them made any all-nba team in the Spurs' title years unlike Kobe playing with MDE/top 6-8 GOAT and all-nba Gasol.

[Nero Tulip]

Duncan's a humble, well-liked guy and a top 12-15 player all time. Plenty of people will give a damn.

The top PF in the game just cannot be only top 12-15. People are seriously overrating wing players and point guards.

To me we can only compare players playing the same role, and he's the best at his position.

[jbryan1984]

I disagree, I know the city of San Antonio will give him a great sendoff and he will be missed but that is part of the game. Your favorites get older and move on.

[Anaximandro1]

Best player of his generation.

:bowdown:Yeah :cheers:

Shaq (and Wilt) is the most talented player ever,but Tim is the best player in the post-Jordan era.Duncan is dominant at both ends of the floor and very professional and coachable.Moreover Tim is an excellent team player,leads by example and that's why the Spurs have great team chemistry every year.

[JellyBean]

Oh cry me a river, why don't you?:oldlol: I have already forgotten Tim Duncan anyway. Just kidding. If, and when, Timmy retires people will care. The debate will rage on about how Timmy is the best PF in the history of the NBA. I still don't seem him being better than Elvin Hayes or Karl Malone, but that is just my opinion. Timmy will be remembered. He was a force. I just think that he got lucky to be on the right team at the right time. Give KG that kind of team and he would have won 4 titles. But oh well. Such is life. Mad props to Tim Duncan. What is sad though. Timmy will replace George "Iceman" Gervin has the greatest Spurs player.......Noooooooooo!!

[Nero Tulip]

Oh cry me a river, why don't you?:oldlol: I have already forgotten Tim Duncan anyway. Just kidding. If, and when, Timmy retires people will care. The debate will rage on about how Timmy is the best PF in the history of the NBA. I still don't seem him being better than Elvin Hayes or Karl Malone, but that is just my opinion. Timmy will be remembered. He was a force. I just think that he got lucky to be on the right team at the right time. Give KG that kind of team and he would have won 4 titles. But oh well. Such is life. Mad props to Tim Duncan. What is sad though. Timmy will replace George "Iceman" Gervin has the greatest Spurs player.......Noooooooooo!!

Then I guess he was lucky to be on (at least) 2 completely different teams at the right time. Really lucky guy.

People are forgetting that Duncan-led teams were ALWAYS competitive, while for most of his career Garnett's only relevance in the league was getting destroyed in the first round.

[Dbrog]

Then I guess he was lucky to be on (at least) 2 completely different teams at the right time. Really lucky guy.

People are forgetting that Duncan-led teams were ALWAYS competitive, while for most of his career Garnett's only relevance in the league was getting destroyed in the first round.

Unfortunately most people here are stat-whores so they worship prime KG. Reality is that KG has just never been able to get over that hump and lead a team. He IS however probably the best second option of all time...yes better than Pippen. /PutsOnFlameShieldForCallingKGaSecondOption

Edit: Oh hell, let's take it further. LeBron is headed down the same path. DEAL WITH IT!

[Kellogs4toniee]

I'll give a damn.. that's all that matters to me. And 10 years down the road when my children are smart enough to understand basketball, I'll be sure they understand how great Duncan was.

[Semi]

Well, I see the Kobe trolls are also slowly coming out of their holes after the sweep...:blah

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

What happens when Kobe retires? Will a million 'stans blast themselves? I hope so.

When Kobe retires, the NBA will shut down for 5 years

[SsKSpurs21]

Tim Duncan interview after 2007 championship... proclaimed the "Greatest PF of all time"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzK274raxb0&feature=related

[SpaceCityHakeem]

True basketball fans will care

[no pun intended]

What happens when Kobe retires? Will a million 'stans blast themselves? I hope so.
It's pretty hard to think about Kobe retiring. Haters or not, the league will feel different without him and he will be missed :/

[thejumpa]

Real basketball fans will care. The only people that won't are kids who started watching ball in the mid 2000's or something. Even then, you would have to either living under a rock or just be a clown to not understand how good Duncan is/was. Living legend, 1st ballot HOFer, arguably the greatest of the decade and greatest PF ever....the list goes on.

[Crown&Coke]

I highly doubt he retires soon, he still got 3 good years left and if he continues to take a reduced roll it might even be more.

But once he does hang em up, trust me, we will notice. Dude is one of the best ever and even noobs will get a heavy dose of TD highlights to show how amazing his career has been.

[Round Mound]

The only reason why Duncan`s game is not that appealing to the eye is because he has great fundamentals: todays NBA Marketing = 1 on 1 moves and dunks.

In reality on why his game was just not so appealing was because he was just another center yet he played in a twin tower system with David Robinson. Him at PF cause of his better handles but he entered as Center.

The rest of his career he has played more like a Center too.

Barkleyand Malone where real POWERFORWARDS they hada face up game, could shoot inside or outside and could finish coast to coast like what Forwards do. Duncan not so much.

A Prime Barkley and Malone would have definetly outplayed him

[kaiiu]

Barkley >>>> Duncan

lets be searss now

[JellyBean]

Then I guess he was lucky to be on (at least) 2 completely different teams at the right time. Really lucky guy.

People are forgetting that Duncan-led teams were ALWAYS competitive, while for most of his career Garnett's only relevance in the league was getting destroyed in the first round.


The dude (Tim Duncan) always had other options around him. In 2003 (Nets): Tony Parker (all-star), Stephon Jackson, some dude named David Robinson, Manu, Kevin Willis, Steve Kerr, Danny Ferry, Bruce Bowen. I remember the Nets at one point quadruple-teamed Tim Duncan, which allowed Duncan to find teammates to knock down jumpers. Who did KG have?

In 2005 (Pistons). Oh let's see who Timmy had on his team: Glenn Robinson, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, that Manu dude again, Rober Horry, they had Brent Berry and Devin Brown coming off the bench dropping 7-8 a game! The dude still had options, and during this Final it was more of a team effort. Everyone did a little something. Again, when did KG have these options?

2007 (Cavs): Oh my. The Spurs swept the Cavs and if I remember correctly, Tony Parker was the force in this Final.

Like I said before, Tim Duncan was a beast. But the dude was lucky. Give my boy, KG a roster with Manu, Tony Parker, David Robinson, Robert Horry, Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen, Brent Berry, Danny Ferry, Steve Kerr, Stephon Jackson, Matt Bonner, they even had flipping Hedo Turkoglu! I agree the Spurs were competitive, but they had a flipping team. KG did not have anyone that could spread the floor and knock down a jumper. No real threats. The Spurs. I just listed who the Spurs had. Who are you going to stop on that team? With my Timberwolves you knew that if you stopped KG, you had the game. We only had one good team, and that was when we had Sam and Spree. The rest of the roster over the years were limited. Give KG the Spurs roster, I bet KG got four rings.

People are going to miss Duncan. But some of you guys act like Duncan was this mega force.

[Nowitzness81]

Someone want to explain why this guy only averaged 20 for his career?

[vinsane01]

Spurs fans are people and they will give a Damn. So will true NBA fans. I mean they are retiring not dying, what should the general public do in tour eyes to pay homage?

Dudes a b ball player not a war hero.

This. Spurs fans and fans who appreciate basketball in its entirety are going to miss him and will always remember him as one of the best to ever play the game. No matter how "boring" and unexciting most casual fans label him to be.

And yeah he is a great basketball player who is going to retire. That's it. no need to be overly sentimental about it.

[rmt]

So much wrong with this post:


The dude (Tim Duncan) always had other options around him. In 2003 (Nets): Tony Parker (all-star), Stephon Jackson, some dude named David Robinson, Manu, Kevin Willis, Steve Kerr, Danny Ferry, Bruce Bowen. I remember the Nets at one point quadruple-teamed Tim Duncan, which allowed Duncan to find teammates to knock down jumpers. Who did KG have?

Tony Parker was not an all-star in 03. He was a 20 year old, 2nd year player who was sometimes benched (specifically the last quarter of the final game of the NBA Finals) for Speedy Claxton.

Manu (rookie) and Stephen Jackson had not played one single minute in the NBA playoffs before '03. So Duncan's #2, #3 and #4 options had a total of 1 year NBA playoff experience when the playoffs started.

DRob was a 38 year old player with a bad back who played 23 mins./playoff game (7.8pt/6.6reb).

I wonder why the Nets would choose to quadruple-team Duncan - I guess it was because as you said in your last statement, "Duncan was this mega force" and maybe the team mates around him weren't so great so the Nets would rather anybody but TD take the shot.


In 2005 (Pistons). Oh let's see who Timmy had on his team: Glenn Robinson, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, that Manu dude again, Rober Horry, they had Brent Berry and Devin Brown coming off the bench dropping 7-8 a game! The dude still had options, and during this Final it was more of a team effort. Everyone did a little something. Again, when did KG have these options?

Glenn Robinson played in only 13 of the 23 playoff games averaging 8.7 mins and 3.8 pts. Devin Brown played in only 12 games & averaged 5 mins and 1.8 pts. Don't pretend that they had any huge role - most of their minutes were in the blowouts of games 1-4.


2007 (Cavs): Oh my. The Spurs swept the Cavs and if I remember correctly, Tony Parker was the force in this Final.

Parker had the mismatch offensively against hobbled Hughes and rookie Gibson. This series was won with defense and was never in doubt with Bowen on Lebron and Duncan closing down the paint. Once Lebron was contained, Cavs didn't have the firepower to stay with the Spurs. Duncan was the most important player in the 07 run.


Like I said before, Tim Duncan was a beast. But the dude was lucky. Give my boy, KG a roster with Manu, Tony Parker, David Robinson, Robert Horry, Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen, Brent Berry, Danny Ferry, Steve Kerr, Stephon Jackson, Matt Bonner, they even had flipping (CHOKING) Hedo Turkoglu! I agree the Spurs were competitive, but they had a flipping team. KG did not have anyone that could spread the floor and knock down a jumper. No real threats. The Spurs. I just listed who the Spurs had. Who are you going to stop on that team? With my Timberwolves you knew that if you stopped KG, you had the game. We only had one good team, and that was when we had Sam and Spree. The rest of the roster over the years were limited. Give KG the Spurs roster, I bet KG got four rings.

People are going to miss Duncan. But some of you guys act like Duncan was this mega force.

You make it sound as if TD had all those players in their prime on the same team. You can take the choker that was Turkoglu in those days and please, please you're welcome to Matt Bonner.

I seriously doubt KG carries the 03 roster to a ring.

[rmt]

Someone want to explain why this guy only averaged 20 for his career?

As if scoring was the only important thing in basketball. There is the other half of the game - you know, DEFENSE.

[Dbrog]

The dude (Tim Duncan) always had other options around him. In 2003 (Nets): Tony Parker (all-star), Stephon Jackson, some dude named David Robinson, Manu, Kevin Willis, Steve Kerr, Danny Ferry, Bruce Bowen. I remember the Nets at one point quadruple-teamed Tim Duncan, which allowed Duncan to find teammates to knock down jumpers. Who did KG have?

In 2005 (Pistons). Oh let's see who Timmy had on his team: Glenn Robinson, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, that Manu dude again, Rober Horry, they had Brent Berry and Devin Brown coming off the bench dropping 7-8 a game! The dude still had options, and during this Final it was more of a team effort. Everyone did a little something. Again, when did KG have these options?

2007 (Cavs): Oh my. The Spurs swept the Cavs and if I remember correctly, Tony Parker was the force in this Final.

Like I said before, Tim Duncan was a beast. But the dude was lucky. Give my boy, KG a roster with Manu, Tony Parker, David Robinson, Robert Horry, Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen, Brent Berry, Danny Ferry, Steve Kerr, Stephon Jackson, Matt Bonner, they even had flipping Hedo Turkoglu! I agree the Spurs were competitive, but they had a flipping team. KG did not have anyone that could spread the floor and knock down a jumper. No real threats. The Spurs. I just listed who the Spurs had. Who are you going to stop on that team? With my Timberwolves you knew that if you stopped KG, you had the game. We only had one good team, and that was when we had Sam and Spree. The rest of the roster over the years were limited. Give KG the Spurs roster, I bet KG got four rings.

People are going to miss Duncan. But some of you guys act like Duncan was this mega force.

:facepalm :no:

2003 Champ Spurs - Rounding up
Duncan - 25/15/5/3, 53%
Tony - 15/3/4, 40%
Stephen - 13/4/3, 41%
Manu - 9/4/3, 39%
Robinson - 8/7, 54%
Malik Rose - 9/6, 42%
Bruce Bowen's defense

Ya...so many options :hammerhead:

2005 Spurs were a good team with a bunch of vets. Even so, Duncan put up 20.6, 14, 2.1 apg, 2.1 bpg, 41.9% against the former champs in one of the slowest paced series with incredible Piston defense.

2007 = Yes, Tony was very good in the finals. However, in all of the rest of the series, Duncan was easily the best. Not close. Duncan really didn't have to step up against that Cavs squad. BTW...Manu had single digit games against poor competition during this run. Definitely a very inconsistent option.

Also just to note, Timmy put up some sick numbers in the playoffs vs the threepeat Lakers.
2001 = 23 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, 4.3 bpg, 1.3 spg, 4.5 TO, 47.8 FG%
2002 = 29 ppg, 17.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 bpg, 1 spg, 4.6 TO, 45 FG%
2003 = 28 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.3 bpg, 2.2 TO, 52.7 FG%
2004 = 20.7 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1 spg, 4.7 TO, 46.5 FG%

He was injured in 2000 in case you were wondering.

Could KG do what Duncan did with the same squads? There isn't a way of knowing. However, I have a hunch KG wouldn't win a single ring with those teams. As i said in my previous post, KG has never proven he could win as the number 1 option. He usually never got out of the first round (sign of not making his teammates better no matter how crappy they were). IMO he's the best number 2 option in NBA history but can't win a thing as number 1.

[Jacks3]

His 03 run is overrated. Look at the comp. Mavs without Dirk. Worst Finals team ever in the 03 Nets. A Shaq/Kobe Laker team that had absolute garbage around them AND both were playing injured. Mediocre Suns team. Meh.

[Dbrog]

His 03 run is overrated. Look at the comp. Mavs without Dirk. Worst Finals team ever in the 03 Nets. A Shaq/Kobe Laker team that had absolute garbage around them AND both were playing injured. Mediocre Suns team. Meh.

ummmmm....you do realize how retarded that sounds by itself. Now add to that that the 03 Lakers had almost the same roster they won a chip with the year before. :facepalm The Duncan hate is strong in this thread.

[Jacks3]

Yeah, it was pretty much Shaq and Kobe. Their supporting cast was terrible. Fox was injured and only played 4 games that post-season. Horry was horrible. He shot 2-40 from three that post-season. 2-40. :facepalm
Who else did they have? Bunch of scrubs in Madsen, Slava, Walker, Shaw. Hell, even Phil missed several games that season due to injuries. Also, Kobe was playing with a severly injured shoulder and Shaq was playing injured too. It was certainly not the same as the 2002 team.

[JellyBean]

So much wrong with this post:



Tony Parker was not an all-star in 03. He was a 20 year old, 2nd year player who was sometimes benched (specifically the last quarter of the final game of the NBA Finals) for Speedy Claxton.

Manu (rookie) and Stephen Jackson had not played one single minute in the NBA playoffs before '03. So Duncan's #2, #3 and #4 options had a total of 1 year NBA playoff experience when the playoffs started.

DRob was a 38 year old player with a bad back who played 23 mins./playoff game (7.8pt/6.6reb).

I wonder why the Nets would choose to quadruple-team Duncan - I guess it was because as you said in your last statement, "Duncan was this mega force" and maybe the team mates around him weren't so great so the Nets would rather anybody but TD take the shot.



Glenn Robinson played in only 13 of the 23 playoff games averaging 8.7 mins and 3.8 pts. Devin Brown played in only 12 games & averaged 5 mins and 1.8 pts. Don't pretend that they had any huge role - most of their minutes were in the blowouts of games 1-4.



Parker had the mismatch offensively against hobbled Hughes and rookie Gibson. This series was won with defense and was never in doubt with Bowen on Lebron and Duncan closing down the paint. Once Lebron was contained, Cavs didn't have the firepower to stay with the Spurs. Duncan was the most important player in the 07 run.



You make it sound as if TD had all those players in their prime on the same team. You can take the choker that was Turkoglu in those days and please, please you're welcome to Matt Bonner.

I seriously doubt KG carries the 03 roster to a ring.


You can spin it anyway you want, you give KG those options, you got KG winning several titles.

[Meticode]

Every time I shoot hopes and use the back-board on a jumper the very first thing I think of every time is Tim Duncan. He's one of the quietest winners in the NBA ever.

[Bless Mathews]

Who is this "Tim Duncan" you speak of?


we are typing

[Dbrog]

Yeah, it was pretty much Shaq and Kobe. Their supporting cast was terrible. Fox was injured and only played 4 games that post-season. Horry was horrible. He shot 2-40 from three that post-season. 2-40. :facepalm
Who else did they have? Bunch of scrubs in Madsen, Slava, Walker, Shaw. Hell, even Phil missed several games that season due to injuries. Also, Kobe was playing with a severly injured shoulder and Shaq was playing injured too. It was certainly not the same as the 2002 team.

This is just getting sad. Essentially same roster as year before (as I said). Horry was stinking it up from three. It happens. As far as a SEVERE shoulder injury + Shaq injury...well...

2002
Shaq = 29/13/3, 53%
Kobe = 27/6/5, 43%
Main supporting players combined for about 34 ppg

2003
Shaq = 27/15/4, 54%
Kobe = 32/5/5, 43%
Main supporting players combined for about 32ppg

Please just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

[Jacks3]

Their supporting cast was terrible. Fox was injured and only played 4 games that post-season. Horry was horrible. He shot 2-40 from three that post-season. 2-40.
Who else did they have? Bunch of scrubs in Madsen, Slava, Walker, Shaw. Hell, even Phil missed several games that season due to injuries. Also, Kobe was playing with a severly injured shoulder and Shaq was playing injured too. It was certainly not the same as the 2002 team.

Read. That team wasn't as good as 02 and nowhere near as 01. Deal with it.

Face it-Duncan got lucky with the pathetic comp that year.

[purplch0de]

Thats what happens to stars in relatively small markets. Little to no air time outside games so they never really develop an NBA-personality like most superstars do.

[Dbrog]

Their supporting cast was terrible. Fox was injured and only played 4 games that post-season. Horry was horrible. He shot 2-40 from three that post-season. 2-40.
Who else did they have? Bunch of scrubs in Madsen, Slava, Walker, Shaw. Hell, even Phil missed several games that season due to injuries. Also, Kobe was playing with a severly injured shoulder and Shaq was playing injured too. It was certainly not the same as the 2002 team.

Read. That team wasn't as good as 02 and nowhere near as 01. Deal with it.

Face it-Duncan got lucky with the pathetic comp that year.

Main supporting cast scored 2 less ppg. That's INCLUDING Horry's crappy shooting.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

So I feel like being particularly mean tonight. Let's compare the supporting cast of 2003 to one of the great playoff dominating teams of all time, the 2001 Lakers.

2003
Shaq = 27/15/4, 54%
Kobe = 32/5/5, 43%
Main supporting players combined for about 32ppg

2001
Shaq = 30/15/3, 56%
Kobe = 29/7/6, 47%
Main supporting players combined for about 39ppg + old man Horace Grant Defense
(Harper was injured for most of the games)

just a seven point difference + a bit more interior defense is all it would take to make the 2003 team one of the alltime great teams. The gap between the Laker teams is much smaller than you make it out to be.

[JellyBean]

:facepalm :no:

2003 Champ Spurs - Rounding up
Duncan - 25/15/5/3, 53%
Tony - 15/3/4, 40%
Stephen - 13/4/3, 41%
Manu - 9/4/3, 39%
Robinson - 8/7, 54%
Malik Rose - 9/6, 42%
Bruce Bowen's defense

Ya...so many options :hammerhead:

2005 Spurs were a good team with a bunch of vets. Even so, Duncan put up 20.6, 14, 2.1 apg, 2.1 bpg, 41.9% against the former champs in one of the slowest paced series with incredible Piston defense.

2007 = Yes, Tony was very good in the finals. However, in all of the rest of the series, Duncan was easily the best. Not close. Duncan really didn't have to step up against that Cavs squad. BTW...Manu had single digit games against poor competition during this run. Definitely a very inconsistent option.

Also just to note, Timmy put up some sick numbers in the playoffs vs the threepeat Lakers.
2001 = 23 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, 4.3 bpg, 1.3 spg, 4.5 TO, 47.8 FG%
2002 = 29 ppg, 17.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 bpg, 1 spg, 4.6 TO, 45 FG%
2003 = 28 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.3 bpg, 2.2 TO, 52.7 FG%
2004 = 20.7 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1 spg, 4.7 TO, 46.5 FG%

He was injured in 2000 in case you were wondering.

Could KG do what Duncan did with the same squads? There isn't a way of knowing. However, I have a hunch KG wouldn't win a single ring with those teams. As i said in my previous post, KG has never proven he could win as the number 1 option. He usually never got out of the first round (sign of not making his teammates better no matter how crappy they were). IMO he's the best number 2 option in NBA history but can't win a thing as number 1.

He (KG) never got out of the 1st round because he never had anything around him! Put Tim on the '98-'99Timberwolves with a Stephon Marbury, Dean Garrett, Terrell Brandon, Joe Smith, Sam Mitchell, Bobby Jackson, Anthony Peeler, Malik Sealy, Dennis Scott, and see what happens.

Our '99-00 season: Terrell Brandon, Wally Szczerbiak, Malik Sealy, Joe Smith, Anthony Peeler, Sam Mitchell, Rasho, Bobby Jackson, William Avery, Tom Hammonds, Dean Garrett, Andrae Patterson. You can not, say that Tim would have got out of the 1st round with that roster, and we lost to Portland; 3-1.

'00-01 season: We lost to the Spurs in the 1st round. We had Terrell, Wally, Anthony, LaPhonso Ellis, a young Chauncey, Felipe Lopez, Reggie Slater, Rasho, Todd Day, Sam Mitchell, Dean, Williams, Sam Jacobson, Tom Hammonds. Hmmm, lets see who the Spurs had....oh David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Avery Johnson, Steve Kerr, Malik Rose, Danny Ferry, Antonio Daniels, Tim Duncan. Also they had Terry Porter. The Spurs had players that could knock down shots from the outside. They had players that were former all-stars. This would help Duncan and Robinson. KG did not have players that could shoot perimeter shots on a consistent basis. Heck the only player on the Timberwolves roster who had been an all-star was Terrell.

The Spurs had players who had been to the playoffs and championships before. KG did not have players like that around him. Throw in David Robinson, Tim could do pretty much whatever he wanted to. That took pressure off him. Let KG have a David Robinson in the paint. KG would have had a several rings. You can spin it anyway you want to, the fact of the matter is, KG did not have teammates that could matchup with other teams. Give KG Tim's roster, KG gets four rings.

[Jacks3]

Main supporting cast scored 2 less ppg. That's INCLUDING Horry's crappy shooting.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

So I feel like being particularly mean tonight. Let's compare the supporting cast of 2003 to one of the great playoff dominating teams of all time, the 2001 Lakers.

2003
Shaq = 27/15/4, 54%
Kobe = 32/5/5, 43%
Main supporting players combined for about 32ppg

2001
Shaq = 30/15/3, 56%
Kobe = 29/7/6, 47%
Main supporting players combined for about 39ppg + old man Horace Grant Defense
(Harper was injured for most of the games)

just a seven point difference + a bit more interior defense is all it would take to make the 2003 team one of the alltime great teams. The gap between the Laker teams is much smaller than you make it out to be.
Kobe was healthy and played much better in 2001 than 2003. Their supporting cast in 2001 was much better in terms of volume and efficiency.

01 Lakers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>03 Lakers in playoffs

Please stop. Just face it. Duncan in 03 got extremely lucky with the weak competition that year.

[Dbrog]

Idk...ppl forget how good of a player Brandon was (and to a lesser extent Wally). Terrell was a better PG than Duncan has ever had in his career (yes even better than 2007 Tony). Also Duncan, unlike KG actually had a deep post game. Prime KGs fadeaway midrange fadeaway was probably just as good or better than current Dirk. However, because it was midrange, it made floor spacing much worse than when Duncan caught the ball in the post.

Basically Duncan w/ a great PG and some knockdown shooters = 1st round exits year after year at MINIMUM IMO.

Also keep in mind, this would also increase their regular season wins which creates different playoff matches. Hard to say what would happen but I think Duncan would see at least SOME success.

[Dbrog]

Kobe was healthy and played much better in 2001 than 2003. Their supporting cast in 2001 was much better in terms of volume and efficiency.

01 Lakers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>03 Lakers in playoffs

Please stop. Just face it. Duncan in 03 got extremely lucky with the weak competition that year.

and 03 Lakers are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most other teams in history. Don't really know how you can say Duncan got lucky when Kobe (your agenda) and the Lakers were facing similar competition (exception = 2000 Lakers). I could also bring up Fisher's shot clock violation that should not have counted if you want to start talking about luck.

[MiseryCityTexas]

no big deal. AI is going out worse. Payton went out pretty bad. Duncan's had enough love for what he's done from fans/media already to last him 3 retirements of due credit.

Payton retired a champ. Something that even alot of the greatest players don't even do. cased closed.

[Big#50]

Kobe was healthy and played much better in 2001 than 2003. Their supporting cast in 2001 was much better in terms of volume and efficiency.

01 Lakers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>03 Lakers in playoffs

Please stop. Just face it. Duncan in 03 got extremely lucky with the weak competition that year.
LOL Tim is the best team player ever. He stuck with his coach when his coach went senile. He took a back seat in the finals and let his pg exploit the weak pg's he was going against. Another star player would have pressed the issue. Seen it happen in 04. He is what a pro NBA player should be. Hate him all you want about 03. Tim went Titan mode that year.NBA finals 03 He only had 24/17/5/5 against the best defensive team of 03. TITAN MODE. ***** ****ed around and nearly got a quad double. LOL
***** went Magic and played pg and center to clinch. LOL

[Nero Tulip]

Idk...ppl forget how good of a player Brandon was (and to a lesser extent Wally). Terrell was a better PG than Duncan has ever had in his career (yes even better than 2007 Tony). Also Duncan, unlike KG actually had a deep post game. Prime KGs fadeaway midrange fadeaway was probably just as good or better than current Dirk. However, because it was midrange, it made floor spacing much worse than when Duncan caught the ball in the post.

Basically Duncan w/ a great PG and some knockdown shooters = 1st round exits year after year at MINIMUM IMO.

Also keep in mind, this would also increase their regular season wins which creates different playoff matches. Hard to say what would happen but I think Duncan would see at least SOME success.

:roll:

The underrating of Parker on this site is ridiculous. Although I agree Brandon was very good for a couple years.

Other than that I agree with you. The Spurs were very good even before 2005, and at that point Manu and Tony weren't the beasts they eventually became. The Wolves however...

[Dbrog]

:roll:

The underrating of Parker on this site is ridiculous. Although I agree Brandon was very good for a couple years.

Other than that I agree with you. The Spurs were very good even before 2005, and at that point Manu and Tony weren't the beasts they eventually became. The Wolves however...

I just like Brandon more as a player since he's an actual PG rather than a scoring PG. I can't deny Tony is the superior offensive player, however, Brandon was a better passer and defender.