Kevin Garnett's best season vs Kobe Bryant's best season (statistically)

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

We'll just discount Kevin Garnett's far superior defensive impact (which these simple stats don't show)

Kobe Bryant in 05-06:

35.4 ppg
5.3 rpg
4.5 apg
1.8 spg
0.4 bpg
3.3 turnovers

Kevin Garnett in 03-04:

24.2 ppg
13.9 rpg
5.0 apg (:bowdown:)
2.2 bpg
1.5 spg
2.6 turnovers

Give me Kevin Garnett any day of the week and twice on sunday.

[tommy3]

:lol

[blablabla]

give it up

[Rysio]

lol kobe scored 11 more ppg and still is more efficient.

mamba :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ImmortalD24]

Kobe's best all-around season (statistically) was actually 2003:

30 PPG/ 7 REB / 6 AST / 2 STL / 3.5 TO with 38.3 3PT %




eh.. troll thread.

[Calabis]

Nice try, but i'll take Kobe

[asdf1990]

We'll just discount Kevin Garnett's far superior defensive impact (which these simple stats don't show)

Kobe Bryant in 05-06:

35.4 ppg
5.3 rpg
4.5 apg
1.8 spg
0.4 bpg
3.3 turnovers

Kevin Garnett in 03-04:

24.2 ppg
13.9 rpg
5.0 apg (:bowdown:)
2.2 bpg
1.5 spg
2.6 turnovers

Give me Kevin Garnett any day of the week and twice on sunday.

Is that a typo cuz I don't believe that shit. To many assists for kobe.

[shaq's--lakers]

Kobe was able to get those numbers in 03 because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing

[CJ Mustard]

Kobe was able to get those numbers because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing
Shaq wasn't on that team.

[indiefan24]

Kobe was able to get those numbers because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing

haha you fail

[Quizno]

Kobe was able to get those numbers in 03 because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing
1) you didn't watch the early 00s lakers
2) shaq wasn't on the lakers when kobe put up the stats shown in the OP :facepalm

[ImmortalD24]

Kobe was able to get those numbers in 03 because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing
Get Shaq's dick out of your mouth.

[Butters]

Why are you so angry OP?

[shaq's--lakers]

Kobe fans get so emotional when you mention the kobe was the second option for the first 8 years of his career.

Replace KG with Kobe. The lakers still 3-peat.

And shaq still wins all Finals MVP.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Why are you so angry OP?

The only arguments people make to say Kobe Bryant is a better player is scoring and the numbers of rings. I have no reason to be mad.

Scoring: Kobe Bryant
Passing / Playmaking: Kevin Garnett
Rebounding: Kevin Garnett
Defense: Kevin Garnett

:confusedshrug:

[Samurai Swoosh]

And shaq still wins all Finals MVP.
I don't think so ... I think its very possible KG could've stolen some MVP awards.

His style and versatility would've meshed so well with Shaq, too.

He's a PF, then can extend his game to SF range.

So they both wouldn't be crowding the low block, like say Shaq / Duncan would be kind of redundant.

Duncan's actually more of a center than a PF, anyway.

But everyone calls him a PF.

:rolleyes:

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe's!

Kobe throughout that year had everybody at my school going crazy. There was always "damn did u see Kobe score 81? damn Kobe just got 60, holy shit Kobe was da shit" DAMN SON KOB' DID IT AGAIN"

KG was cool too that year but it wasnt historical as Kobe's

[MaxFly]

The only arguments people make to say Kobe Bryant is a better player is scoring and the numbers of rings. I have no reason to be mad.

Scoring: Kobe Bryant
Passing / Playmaking: Kevin Garnett
Rebounding: Kevin Garnett
Defense: Kevin Garnett

:confusedshrug:

Really?

[dallaslonghorn]

Why are we comparing a ball-dominant shooting guard with a 7'0 defensive anchor?

Kobe and KG do VERY different things on a basketball court. At his peak, Kobe was probably better at what he does than KG is at what he does, but what KG does is more important to winning.

Really not fair to either to compare them individually.

[dallaslonghorn]

The only arguments people make to say Kobe Bryant is a better player is scoring and the numbers of rings. I have no reason to be mad.

Scoring: Kobe Bryant
Passing / Playmaking: Kevin Garnett
Rebounding: Kevin Garnett
Defense: Kevin Garnett

:confusedshrug:

If you give Kobe scoring and playmaking, and you give KG rebounding and defense, than it becomes what do you think is more important?

Me personally, I'll take defense and rebounding, but that's an entirely different argument than Kobe vs. KG.

[Jacks3]

KG isn't a better play-maker/passer. :facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

enough with all this KG ********ing

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe's!

Kobe throughout that year had everybody at my school going crazy. There was always "damn did u see Kobe score 81? damn Kobe just got 60, holy shit Kobe was da shit" DAMN SON KOB' DID IT AGAIN"

KG was cool too that year but it wasnt historical as Kobe's

Kobe's flashiness......"historical"......emotions...... *yawn*

You can have that. I'll take the player who has more impact on the floor.

[Heavincent]

Kobe's flashiness......"historical"......emotions...... *yawn*

You can have that. I'll take the player who has more impact on the floor.

So you'll take Kobe then?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

So you'll take Kobe then?

:roll:

[eliteballer]

Who eliminated Garnett in his best statistical season?

[catch24]

Who eliminated Garnett in his best statistical season?

Shaq's Lakers

:confusedshrug:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

We'll just discount Kevin Garnett's far superior defensive impact (which these simple stats don't show)

Kobe Bryant in 05-06:

35.4 ppg
5.3 rpg
4.5 apg
1.8 spg
0.4 bpg
3.3 turnovers

Kevin Garnett in 03-04:

24.2 ppg
13.9 rpg
5.0 apg (:bowdown:)
2.2 bpg
1.5 spg
2.6 turnovers

Give me Kevin Garnett any day of the week and twice on sunday.

That's nice. KG had better stats than Kobe one season. Good for KG.
Prolly had better stats than Kobe in more than one season.
Kobe has 5 rings and two Finals MVPs. Has KG EVER led a team to a ring? Was he the undisputed leader of those Celtics? I think not.

[Jacks3]

Shaq's Lakers

:confusedshrug:
Kobe was better than Shaq in 03 and 04. lol @ you.

:facepalm

[d.bball.guy]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/wow_wtf_gif.gif

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe was better than Shaq in 03 and 04. lol @ you.

:facepalm

He bricked them out of a championship.

:applause:

[CJ Mustard]

That's nice. KG had better stats than Kobe one season. Good for KG.
Prolly had better stats than Kobe in more than one season.
Kobe has 5 rings and two Finals MVPs. Has KG EVER led a team to a ring? Was he the undisputed leader of those Celtics? I think not.Yes he was. And by far...

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Wow, there sure is a lot of Kobe jockers and Lakers fans on this forum. And they think they're right just because they agree with each other.

:roll:

[Jacks3]

He bricked them out of a championship.

:applause:
You keep believing that myth. At least he was Finals MVP on his own teams, while KG was the 3rd best player on the 08 Celtics in the Finals. :lol

[catch24]

Kobe was better than Shaq in 03 and 04. lol @ you.

:facepalm

U :mad:?

Just calling it like I see it. Shaq was easily better in the playoffs.

[ProfessorMurder]

lol kobe scored 11 more ppg and still is more efficient.

mamba :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

That's why KG shot 4.9% better from the field when comparing these seasons?

[Jacks3]

U :mad:?

Just calling it like I see it. Shaq was easily better in the playoffs.
Kobe was easily better in 2003 and 2004. Shaq was past his prime.

U :mad: ?

[Jacks3]

That's why KG shot 4.9% better from the field when comparing these seasons?
TS%

Kobe: 56%
KG: 55%

lol @ Kobe having better efficiency on 11 more PPG. :eek:

[catch24]

Kobe was easily better in 2003 and 2004. Shaq was past his prime.

U :mad: ?

Shaq's numbers were better if we factor in postseason play, though

:confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

Shaq's numbers were better if we factor in postseason play, though

:confusedshrug:
2003: Shaq was slightly better in the playoffs, but Kobe had a much better reg season when you consider he played 12+ more games.

2004: Kobe was better in the reg season and first three rounds of the playoffs.
Overall, Kobe>Shaq this year.

U :mad: ?

[ShaqAttack3234]

2003: Shaq was slightly better in the playoffs, but Kobe had a much better reg season when you consider he played 12+ more games.

2004: Kobe was better in the reg season and first three rounds of the playoffs.
Overall, Kobe>Shaq this year.

U :mad: ?

2003 is debatable, but Shaq was definitely better in 2004.

[catch24]

2003: Shaq was slightly better in the playoffs, but Kobe had a much better reg season when you consider he played 12+ more games.

2004: Kobe was better in the reg season and first three rounds of the playoffs.
Overall, Kobe>Shaq this year.

U :mad: ?

How was he better in the first three rounds of the playoffs if Shaq's numbers were better before the Finals?

:hammerhead:

[brownmamba00]

You keep believing that myth. At least he was Finals MVP on his own teams, while KG was the 3rd best player on the 08 Celtics in the Finals. :lol
BS

KG was the best player on that team and the defensive anchor (the reason the C's won the chip)

He got robbed of an fMVP. But i'm sure he doesn't give a fvck tho

[Jacks3]

2003 is debatable, but Shaq was definitely better in 2004.
Kobe was better than Shaq in the 04 reg season. He was just as good/better through the first three rounds. Kobe by that point was better on both ends.

[Jacks3]

BS

KG was the best player on that team and the defensive anchor (the reason the C's won the chip)

He got robbed of an fMVP. But i'm sure he doesn't give a fvck tho
Both Allen and Pierce hurt the Lakers more than KG did in the Finals.Fact.

[Jacks3]

How was he better in the first three rounds of the playoffs if Shaq's numbers were better before the Finals?

:hammerhead:
lol wut

[catch24]

lol wut

Shaq's numbers were better than Kobe's before the Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2004/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2004/

Do the math Jackie!

[d.bball.guy]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/cat_da_fcuk_gif.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/big_wtf_gif.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/gorilla_wtf_gif.gif

Kobe's reactions, lol.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/kobe_bryan_wtf.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/76154557.gif

http://i52.tinypic.com/2v8qxhz.gif

http://i54.tinypic.com/30ndow4.gif

Even Guidos are mad.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/pauly_wtf_gif.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/jersey_weird_gif.gif

[Jacks3]

Shaq's numbers were better than Kobe's before the Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2004/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2004/

Do the math Jackie!
Hey catch, Kobe was better through the first three rounds.

Stop trolling MJ stan. :facepalm

[catch24]

Hey catch, Kobe was better through the first three rounds.

Stop trolling MJ stan. :facepalm

Sure.

[CJ Mustard]

Both Allen and Pierce hurt the Lakers more than KG did in the Finals.Fact.
The Lakers doubled KG more than anyone else on that team. Pierce went one on one against Vladrad and Luke Walton while Ray went 1 on 1 with Derek Fisher and Sasha Vujacic.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Yes he was. And by far...

PP and his Finals MVP say :facepalm

[kaiiu]

Prime Dirk>>>>Prime KG


Pierce had to lead this guy to a ring

[Jacks3]

The Lakers doubled KG more than anyone else on that team. Pierce went one on one against Vladrad and Luke Walton while Ray went 1 on 1 with Derek Fisher and Sasha Vujacic.
This is just wrong. The Lakers were content to let KG go one-on-one against Gasol for most of the series, and he didn't exactly make them pay. 18 PPG on 52% TS is just...bad for a superstar player. Anyone who watched that series could see that Pierce and Allen were the guys giving the Lakers the most trouble.

[CJ Mustard]

PP and his Finals MVP say :facepalm
So Tony Parker led the Spurs to the title in 2007......Right? Max led the C's to the title in '81?

[Jacks3]

Kobe was definitely not better in the regular season or first 3 rounds of the playoffs. .
Kobe was easily better in the reg season.

24/6/5/2/56% TS> 22/12/3/3/58% TS

Kobe also played better defense (1st Team All-D)

[brownmamba00]

Prime Dirk>>>>Prime KG


Pierce had to lead this guy to a ring


PP and his Finals MVP say :facepalm

20/10/3 on 50% + the defensive anchor the team.

this while Pierce had 19/5/5 on 44% in the '08 playoffs
:oldlol: @ posters thinking KG got carried to a championship. If anything KG was carrying those overrated floppers.

[d.bball.guy]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/reunion-gif.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/jersey_weird_gif.gif

[CJ Mustard]

This is just wrong. The Lakers were content to let KG go one-on-one against Gasol for most of the series, and he didn't exactly make them pay. 18 PPG on 52% TS is just...bad for a superstar player. Anyone who watched that series could see that Pierce and Allen were the guys giving the Lakers the most trouble.He absolutely was not going up against 1 on 1 coverage. Go re watch the games. he was frequently doubled in the post, with and without the ball.

[kaiiu]

20/10/3 on 50% + the defensive anchor the team.

this while Pierce had 19/5/5 on 44% in the '08 playoffs
:oldlol: @ posters thinking KG got carried to a championship. If anything KG was carrying those overrated floppers.
meanwhile Pierce was guarding Kobe, while KG was guarding Odom :oldlol:

Pierce>>> KG IN 08, NOW, AND 4 THEIR CAREERS

[ShaqAttack3234]

Kobe was easily better in the reg season.

24/6/5/2/56% TS> 22/12/3/3/58% TS

Kobe also played better defense (1st Team All-D)

Uh, the stats you posted for Shaq are at least as impressive if not more. Not to mention Shaq still drawing more double teams and you're delusional if you think Kobe made more of an impact defensively than Shaq in 2004. Aren't you the same guy always talking about how perimeter player's defense pales in comparison to a big man's defensive impact in Jordan threads?

[CJ Mustard]

meanwhile Pierce was guarding Kobe, while KG was guarding Odom :oldlol:

Pierce>>> KG IN 08, NOW, AND 4 THEIR CAREERSPierce guarded Kobe in a few stretches. He did not defend Kobe the whole series...not even close. Ray Allen defended Kobe more than Pierce did.

[Jacks3]

He absolutely was not going up against 1 on 1 coverage. Go re watch the games. he was frequently doubled in the post, with and without the ball.
I think you need to re-watch the games. KG was getting single coverage. He was also assisted on a much greater % of his shots than a guy like Pierce, who pretty much created everything for himself.

[d.bball.guy]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/situation-omg.gif
I think that maybe the continuation, lol.

Or rather what happened before he fired the blue ray.

[Jacks3]

Uh, the stats you posted for Shaq are at least as impressive if not more. Not to mention Shaq still drawing more double teams and you're delusional if you think Kobe made more of an impact defensively than Shaq in 2004. Aren't you the same guy always talking about how perimeter player's defense pales in comparison to a big man's defensive impact in Jordan threads?
Kobe was drawing just as much defensive attention, and his stats are better. And yeah, Kobe was better defensively, because Shaq has never been an elite defender outside of 2000. Kobe, on the other hand, was the best defensive SG in the league that season (even with his decline) and consistently gave more effort on the side of the ball. You need to realize that Shaq isn't God and that suggesting 04 Kobe was better than a clearly out-of-prime Shaq isn't crazy at all. :facepalm

[d.bball.guy]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/situation-derp-1.gif
:lol **** all this Jersey Shore Guidos!

[brownmamba00]

meanwhile Pierce was guarding Kobe, while KG was guarding Odom :oldlol:

Pierce>>> KG IN 08, NOW, AND 4 THEIR CAREERS
It was Allen who was guarding Kobe not the other way around.

20/10/3 on 50%+anchoring the defense>>>Flopping and 'creating' his own shot what just means putting on LeBron James in the finals-like numbers (19ppg on 44% LOL)

[ballup]

meanwhile Pierce was guarding Kobe, while KG was guarding Odom :oldlol:

Pierce>>> KG IN 08, NOW, AND 4 THEIR CAREERS
:roll:

[catch24]

Jackie, do you believe pigs fly?

[Jacks3]

Jackie, do you believe pigs fly?
Catch, you're a clown.

[d.bball.guy]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/jersey-shore-silly.gif
:roll:
:lol

[catch24]

Catch, you're a clown.

It was just a question... :confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

It's just a fact.

[d.bball.guy]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/kobe24clutch/raonnie.gif
:wtf::lol

[catch24]

It's just a fact.

What is? That Kobe was better than Jordan as a teenager?

(or so you claim)

[ShaqAttack3234]

Kobe was drawing just as much defensive attention, and his stats are better. And yeah, Kobe was better defensively, because Shaq has never been an elite defender outside of 2000. Kobe, on the other hand, was the best defensive SG in the league that season (even with his decline) and consistently gave more effort on the side of the ball. You need to realize that Shaq isn't God and that suggesting 04 Kobe was better than a clearly out-of-prime Shaq isn't crazy at all. :facepalm

Whatever, I'm done wasting time on this. Shaq's defensive impact was elite several years, you're massively overrating Kobe's defense that year, and no, he didn't draw as much attention, even for several years after his prime, teams rarely tried guarding Shaq with 1 man. And while Shaq was past his prime, Kobe wasn't playing at prime level in 2004 either.

That's all, keep deluding yourself if you like.

[Jacks3]

What is?
That you're a clown.

[catch24]

That you're a clown.

Whatever you say, Jackie.

[catch24]

Wait.. his name is jackie?

Well, it's his alter ego when he takes it up the ass from Kobe.

[Round Mound]

Kobe a Top Defender?

Bullcrap all of his All Defensive Teams are part of the Marketing to make him seem as good as Jordan

Kobe never was in The Top 10 in Defensive Rating

The Best Defensive SG of the 2000s was and is Ginobili (defensive rating agrees too)

[Jacks3]

Whatever, I'm done wasting time on this. Shaq's defensive impact was elite several years, you're massively overrating Kobe's defense that year, and no, he didn't draw as much attention, even for several years after his prime, teams rarely tried guarding Shaq with 1 man. And while Shaq was past his prime, Kobe wasn't playing at prime level in 2004 either.

That's all, keep deluding yourself if you like.
Shaq's impact was on D was only elite for the 00 season. Every other year he was pretty much average to merely good. And yeah, Kobe he did draw just as much defensive attention, teams routinely sent doubles/triples at him, trapped him consistently, shaded him with zone, sent quick doubles at the top of the key etc. Kobe easily drew just as much, if not more, defensive attention. Kobe not being in prime form is irrelevant. He was still better than Shaq that season.

Get off Shaq's dick man and stop being so delusional. :facepalm

[brownmamba00]

Kobe a Top Defender?

Bullcrap all of his All Defensive Teams are part of the Marketing to make him seem as good as Jordan

Kobe never was in The Top 10 in Defensive Rating

The Best Defensive SG of the 2000s was and is Ginobili (defensive rating agrees too)
Using defensive ratings on individual players:roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

Well, it's his alter ego when he takes it up the ass from Kobe.
Hey man, stop riding that Jordan ****.

****ing ******.

[Jacks3]

Whatever you say, Jackie.
Yes, whatever I say, clown. :pimp:

[brownmamba00]

Dude stop these Jersey shore gifs:rolleyes:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Kobe's best overall season statline, I suppose is 2003, he put up 30-7-6 along with 2.2 steals.
You're comparing a big with a guard.
I'll take Kobe.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Kobe was a better player than KG, and ranks higher all-time, but KG's versatility in his prime was unrivaled by anyone in the decade.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Give me Kobe every day, all year long.

[Bernie Nips]

Statistically I'd take KG.

Also, anyone who thinks Pierce or Allen had more impact in the 08 Finals over KG is delusional. Yes, he did get double teamed a whole damn lot. But let's take away the offensive output, because he's basically comparable with Pierce and Allen. Let's instead look at:

Paul Gasol in 08 Finals

14.6 ppg (reg season 18.9 ppg)
10.1 rpg
3.3 apg
0.5 spg
0.5 bpg

Kevin Garnett in 08 Finals

18.1 ppg
13 rpg
3 apg
1.6 spg
1 bpg

There's the matchup that the Celtics needed to win. And with KG, boy did they win it.

[Jacks3]

Pierce and Allen were far better offensively. KG stans are delusional. :facepalm

[CJ Mustard]

Pierce and Allen were far better offensively. KG stans are delusional. :facepalm
KG was the best offensive player on the floor in Game 1 & 6. He was the best defensive player on the floor every game.

[Bernie Nips]

Pierce and Allen were far better offensively. KG stans are delusional. :facepalm

Pierce: 21.8 ppg
Allen: 20.3 ppg
KG: 18.1 ppg

They were FAR better offensively. :rolleyes:

Plus let's not forget for the entire playoffs:

Pierce: 19.6 ppg
Allen: 15.5 ppg
Garnett: 20.3 ppg

But let's not have facts get in the way of a good lie!

[Jacks3]

They scored more (Pierce did 4 more PPG, which is significant) and did it on much better TS% numbers. KG shot 43% in those Finals and hardly ever got to the line. That is pathetic from a 7-footer.

[Bernie Nips]

They scored more (Pierce did 4 more PPG, which is significant) and did it on much better TS% numbers. KG shot 43% in those Finals and hardly ever got to the line. That is pathetic from a 7-footer.

So Kobe didn't deserve the Finals MVP in 09 due to efficiency? 40% is pathetic from... well.. anyone. Regardless of height.

[Jacks3]

So Kobe didn't deserve the Finals MVP in 09 due to efficiency? 40% is pathetic from... well.. anyone. Regardless of height.
I hope you're joking.

KG in 08 Finals: 18 PPG on 53% TS

Kobe in 09 Finals: 32 PPG on 54% TS

So Bryant scored A TON more (+14 PPG) and was more efficient.

He also got 6 APG to only 2 TO per game in those Finals.

Not even close. KG's 43% shooting wouldn't matter as much if he either was more efficient (got to the line more ) or had a much higher volume.

Not even close.

[tpols]

At their peaks, Kobe was definitely a better guard than KG was a big man.. relative to their positions I'd say Kobe was better. But Big men defintely can impact this game more than guards can which is why I'd put peak KG and peak Kobe on the same level. Kobe gave you legendary scoring, great clutch play, great playmaking, and great perimeter defense, while KG gave you great scoring, great playmaking, and legendary defense/rebounding. It's a toss up.

[Bernie Nips]

I hope you're joking.

KG in 08 Finals: 18 PPG on 53% TS

Kobe in 09 Finals: 32 PPG on 54% TS

So Bryant scored A TON more (+14 PPG) and was more efficient.

He also got 6 APG to only 2 TO per game in those Finals.

Not even close. KG's 43% shooting wouldn't matter as much if he either was more efficient (got to the line more ) or had a much higher volume.

Not even close.

Oh, here comes the TS%!

A statistic invented to reward players for taking dumbass shots.

No wonder Kobe stans rub their ***** over it!

[Jacks3]

Oh, here comes the TS%!

A statistic invented to reward players for taking dumbass shots.

No wonder Kobe stans rub their ***** over it!
Actually, it rewards players for getting to the line,which KG always sucked at, and for hitting threes. You mad because Kobe can do both at a much higher level and is thus more efficient. :pimp:

[catch24]

At their peaks, Kobe was definitely a better guard than KG was a big man.. relative to their positions I'd say Kobe was better. But Big men defintely can impact this game more than guards can which is why I'd put peak KG and peak Kobe on the same level. Kobe gave you legendary scoring, great clutch play, great playmaking, and great perimeter defense, while KG gave you great scoring, great playmaking, and legendary defense/rebounding. It's a toss up.

Good post, homey.

[Bernie Nips]

Actually, it rewards players for getting to the line,which KG always sucked at, and for hitting threes. You mad because Kobe can do both at a much higher level and is thus more efficient. :pimp:

So what you're saying is, because KG didn't change the gamestyle that had led him to be the dominant force he always was, and RAISE his FTA's per game, he had a shitty series?

He shut down Pau Gasol. Who was proven to be the Lakers' most important player that series, considering Kobe put up:

25.6 ppg
4.6 rpg
5 apg

And they still lost.

Then of course, look at the next season - no KG, the Celtics bounced out in the second round.

The season after that? KG back (and playing injured) and they make it all the way to game 7 of the Finals.

Apparently though, KG's impact was nothing. Cool story bro.

[Jacks3]

So what you're saying is, because KG didn't change the gamestyle that had led him to be the dominant force he always was, and RAISE his FTA's per game, he had a shitty series?

He shut down Pau Gasol. Who was proven to be the Lakers' most important player that series, considering Kobe put up:

25.6 ppg
4.6 rpg
5 apg

And they still lost.

Then of course, look at the next season - no KG, the Celtics bounced out in the second round.

The season after that? KG back (and playing injured) and they make it all the way to game 7 of the Finals.

Apparently though, KG's impact was nothing. Cool story bro.
Why u so :mad: though?

Pau sucked even when KG wasn't on him. He couldn't handle the pressure. Hell, he sucked the entire series before the Finals. I just think Pierce and Allen hurt the Lakers more that series.

I'm not denying that he was easily the best player on the Celtics in the 08 playoffs and the reg season.

[Bernie Nips]

Why u so :mad: though?

The 2010/2011 version of "I know you are but what am I?!"

Thank you for my comfortable victory, now away with you.

[Jacks3]

The 2010/2011 version of "I know you are but what am I?!"

Thank you for my comfortable victory, now away with you.
What victory? KG was still the 3rd best player on how own team in the 08 Finals. :oldlol:

Must suck.

[Bernie Nips]

What victory? KG was still the 3rd best player on how own team in the 08 Finals. :oldlol:

Must suck.

I'm sorry? I think I just proved that KG had more impact on the games than the other two players by shutting out Pau Gasol while also being more than handy on the offensive end?

Pau Gasol who was averaging 2.4bpg in the playoffs (17.7 ppg) coming into the Finals, who was kept to well below his scoring average and 0.5 bpg? I mean, KG took him out of it offensively AND defensively.

Paul Pierce scored well. No denying it. Ray Allen showed up when we needed him to.

KG was there all along, making sure our defence held up, taking care of his direct opponent and continuing the form that had him finish 3rd in the MVP and leading our team in scoring for the playoffs.

So although Pierce winning it is perfectly okay, he had a great series, saying KG was the third best player on his team for the Finals is just wrong. A true 1a/1b/1c series. All did the parts they needed to for us to win and all did them well.

It's like saying Adrian Dantley's prime is better than Kobe's cos he scored more at a better efficiency.

[Disaprine]

damn, op is butthurt.

[Jacks3]

I'm sorry? I think I just proved that KG had more impact on the games than the other two players by shutting out Pau Gasol while also being more than handy on the offensive end?

Pau Gasol who was averaging 2.4bpg in the playoffs (17.7 ppg) coming into the Finals, who was kept to well below his scoring average and 0.5 bpg? I mean, KG took him out of it offensively AND defensively.

Paul Pierce scored well. No denying it. Ray Allen showed up when we needed him to.

KG was there all along, making sure our defence held up, taking care of his direct opponent and continuing the form that had him finish 3rd in the MVP and leading our team in scoring for the playoffs.

So although Pierce winning it is perfectly okay, he had a great series, saying KG was the third best player on his team for the Finals is just wrong. A true 1a/1b/1c series. All did the parts they needed to for us to win and all did them well.

It's like saying Adrian Dantley's prime is better than Kobe's cos he scored more at a better efficiency.
Didn't I just tell you that Pau sucked even when KG wasn't on him? Perkins gave him just as much trouble. Also, he sucked the previous round too, so it's not like KG shut down some player who was hot entering the round.

Oh,and I like how you conveniently fail to mention the excellent defense Ray and Pierce played on Bryant that series. Both were terrific. Stop acting like they just played one side of the court. In fact, during the biggest game of the series (Game 4) it was Pierce's defense that ignited Boston, not KG!

Both Pierce and Allen were better offensively, and it wasn't even that close.

So if you want to call them 1a/1b/1c,that's fair, but imo KG was definitely third.

[DMAVS41]

That you're a clown.

Actually no. You are.

Kobe wasn't an elite defender in 04 actually. He spent too much time worrying about his offensive numbers. Much like he did in 03 when the Lakers got trounced by the Spurs.

Shaq's impact on defense was easily greater than Kobe's in 04. Hell, his 8 defensive rebounds alone make his impact on defense greater than Kobe's. Forget the hard fouls and space eater that Shaq provided.

There is only so much a perimeter player can do to impact defense to begin with, but Kobe actually played very little defense in 04 if you compared him to the actual elite defenders.

Oh, and in the playoffs:

Shaq - 96 defensive rating 1.3 defensive win shares
Kobe - 101 defensive rating .8 defensive win shares


Shaq had a bigger impact defensively.

[Dionysus]

Actually no. You are.

Kobe wasn't an elite defender in 04 actually. He spent too much time worrying about his offensive numbers. Much like he did in 03 when the Lakers got trounced by the Spurs.

Shaq's impact on defense was easily greater than Kobe's in 04. Hell, his 8 defensive rebounds alone make his impact on defense greater than Kobe's. Forget the hard fouls and space eater that Shaq provided.

There is only so much a perimeter player can do to impact defense to begin with, but Kobe actually played very little defense in 04 if you compared him to the actual elite defenders.

Oh, and in the playoffs:

Shaq - 96 defensive rating 1.3 defensive win shares
Kobe - 101 defensive rating .8 defensive win shares


Shaq had a bigger impact defensively.

I always see your name is these Kobe threads love, are you in love with the bloke? Pillow bitter are you?

[DMAVS41]

At their peaks, Kobe was definitely a better guard than KG was a big man.. relative to their positions I'd say Kobe was better. But Big men defintely can impact this game more than guards can which is why I'd put peak KG and peak Kobe on the same level. Kobe gave you legendary scoring, great clutch play, great playmaking, and great perimeter defense, while KG gave you great scoring, great playmaking, and legendary defense/rebounding. It's a toss up.

Solid post.

Although I personally would take Kobe because he's a better player to have on your team late in a game. That puts him over the top. I just don't think a KG led team without a closer is winning many close games....especially in the playoffs.

Kobe can lead for the first 45 minutes and close the deal in the last 3. I think that quality is more valuable and makes Kobe my choice. Its close, but its also clear for me. If that makes any sense.

Now, if you gave KG a player like Pierce and Kobe a player like Pau......

I probably lean more towards KG as having a bigger impact. But that seems like a different debate.

[kaiiu]

I always see your name is these Kobe threads love, are you in love with the bloke? Pillow bitter are you?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[amfirst]

Who was better on a sh177y team. Obviously, Kobe always was able to own KG. KG is a good piece to a championship team, but he can't be a 1st option ala Timberwolves he was horrible, he wasn't able to take over games for long stretches like Kobe. Prime Kobe can go hot for a entire game. Same thing can't be said about KG, he just wasn't built like that, he is more of a pass first type player, suitable for 2nd fiddle.

[I.R.Beast]

Why are we comparing a ball-dominant shooting guard with a 7'0 defensive anchor?

Kobe and KG do VERY different things on a basketball court. At his peak, Kobe was probably better at what he does than KG is at what he does, but what KG does is more important to winning.

Really not fair to either to compare them individually.

i was wondering the same thing....that's like comparing deodorant to to toothpaste....

[Hittin_Shots]

i was wondering the same thing....that's like comparing deodorant to to toothpaste....

If u spray mint scented deodorant in ur in ur mouth they're comparable....

How does toothpaste go when put under in ur armpits as a deodorant?

[talkingconch]

Two different positions.



nice try

[AirJordan&Magic]

Kobe was able to get those numbers in 03 because of Shaq creating Double-Triple team.

KG's numbers are simply Amazing

:roll: What an idiot...... Shaq was responsible for Kobe averaging 30 ppg & 7 rpg??

Stop kidding yourself.

[sagr32]

:roll: What an idiot...... Shaq was responsible for Kobe averaging 30 ppg & 7 rpg??

Stop kidding yourself.
:lol
Yeah shaq was responsible for Kobe putting up games like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKdfkCg6UDU

that was one of my favorite games from Kobe. had a ridiculous reverse dunk. Some Long 3's at the end of the shot clock and circus shots galore. :bowdown:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Kobe a Top Defender?

Bullcrap all of his All Defensive Teams are part of the Marketing to make him seem as good as Jordan

Kobe never was in The Top 10 in Defensive Rating

The Best Defensive SG of the 2000s was and is Ginobili (defensive rating agrees too)

Kobe Bryant >>>> Charles Barkley defensively

[Bring-Your-Js]

Kobe Bryant >>>> Charles Barkley defensively

Their D-rating is about the same, while Kobe has fewer defensive win shares. Offensive too.

Not sure why you'd want to drag Barkley into it. He didn't operate at a KG level of efficiency. Much, much higher.

[Jacks3]

Actually no. You are.

Kobe wasn't an elite defender in 04 actually. He spent too much time worrying about his offensive numbers. Much like he did in 03 when the Lakers got trounced by the Spurs.

Shaq's impact on defense was easily greater than Kobe's in 04. Hell, his 8 defensive rebounds alone make his impact on defense greater than Kobe's. Forget the hard fouls and space eater that Shaq provided.

There is only so much a perimeter player can do to impact defense to begin with, but Kobe actually played very little defense in 04 if you compared him to the actual elite defenders.

Oh, and in the playoffs:

Shaq - 96 defensive rating 1.3 defensive win shares
Kobe - 101 defensive rating .8 defensive win shares


Shaq had a bigger impact defensively.
Wow.You're a moron. lol @ using defensive win shares/defensive rating to judge individual defense. Kobe was easily a better defender in 04.

[Smoke117]

Why are we comparing a ball-dominant shooting guard with a 7'0 defensive anchor?

Kobe and KG do VERY different things on a basketball court. At his peak, Kobe was probably better at what he does than KG is at what he does, but what KG does is more important to winning.

Really not fair to either to compare them individually.

Pretty much and that's why if I had to choose one to build a team around it would be Garnett.

[beau_boy04]

We'll just discount Kevin Garnett's far superior defensive impact (which these simple stats don't show)

Kobe Bryant in 05-06:

35.4 ppg
5.3 rpg
4.5 apg
1.8 spg
0.4 bpg
3.3 turnovers

Kevin Garnett in 03-04:

24.2 ppg
13.9 rpg
5.0 apg (:bowdown:)
2.2 bpg
1.5 spg
2.6 turnovers

Give me Kevin Garnett any day of the week and twice on sunday.


Looking at it by the numbers I think I would take Kevin Garnett.

[Lebron23]

Actually no. You are.

Kobe wasn't an elite defender in 04 actually. He spent too much time worrying about his offensive numbers. Much like he did in 03 when the Lakers got trounced by the Spurs.

Shaq's impact on defense was easily greater than Kobe's in 04. Hell, his 8 defensive rebounds alone make his impact on defense greater than Kobe's. Forget the hard fouls and space eater that Shaq provided.

There is only so much a perimeter player can do to impact defense to begin with, but Kobe actually played very little defense in 04 if you compared him to the actual elite defenders.

Oh, and in the playoffs:

Shaq - 96 defensive rating 1.3 defensive win shares
Kobe - 101 defensive rating .8 defensive win shares


Shaq had a bigger impact defensively.


I actually LMAO

[beau_boy04]

KG was great and showed great passion for the game.

Kobe was better. plain and simple.

i just wonder if KG would've won more on another team from the get go. cause MIN sucks back in the days