Rudy Fernandez offered monster 6 year/$26 million contract by Real Madrid

[Grinder]

This would make him the highest paid player in ACB history. I can't see him turning this down.

A shame, since I really wanted to see him on the Mavs.

Source (Spanish):
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20110703/baloncesto/nba/florentino-perez-presenta-una-oferta-mareante-para-fichar-a-rudy-fernandez_54179826287.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mundodeportivo-baloncesto-titulares+%28MD+-+Baloncesto+Titulares%29

[Jon_Koncak]

Garbage removed

[DRose1899]

Damn, even in bball Real is such a ass spender. :facepalm

[Theoo's Daddy]

is this real or a rumor ? :oldlol: Wow, this scrub is really respected in spain ?

[brantonli]

Interesting...........I wonder will the allure of possibly winning a championship on the (admittedly old) Mavericks trump a very secure contract?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Wow, this scrub is really respected in spain ?
Seriously.

Jaw looking like he's the third member of Terrence and Phillip.

:facepalm

[Theoo's Daddy]

Interesting...........I wonder will the allure of possibly winning a championship on the (admittedly old) Mavericks trump a very secure contract?

Rudy has always been unhappy playing in the states, he's always said he want to go back to europe. Unless this is a ploy to hit up mark cuban. :oldlol:

[adri41]

According to the ESPN article, this would be after next season. He'll still play in Dallas next season (if there is one).

[KokeAyne]

According to the ESPN article, this would be after next season. He'll still play in Dallas next season (if there is one).

Isnt that obvious? You think the Mavs would make a trade, if there is a possibility he just signs in Europe without ever playing for them?

[Grinder]

Glad that the deal will take place after next season. If Rudy steps it up and has a great season, Cuban might throw even more money his way.

[adri41]

Isnt that obvious? You think the Mavs would make a trade, if there is a possibility he just signs in Europe without ever playing for them?

Yes, I thought it was. It was for Grinder's benefit since I inferred from his post that he thought it would be immediate.

[niko]

This would make him the highest paid player in ACB history. I can't see him turning this down.

A shame, since I really wanted to see him on the Mavs.

Source (Spanish):
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20110703/baloncesto/nba/florentino-perez-presenta-una-oferta-mareante-para-fichar-a-rudy-fernandez_54179826287.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mundodeportivo-baloncesto-titulares+%28MD+-+Baloncesto+Titulares%29
is he worth that?

[R.I.P.]

Doesn

[Theoo's Daddy]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Doesn

[Stuckey]

is this real or a rumor ? :oldlol: Wow, this scrub is really respected in spain ?

this scrub blew by kobe and dunked on dwight

[kentatm]

If deshawn and butler are not signed back on, this team goes back to their soft ways, rudy will make them even more soft..


the Mavs will still have Brian Cardinal who some Heat fans have cried was a thug that purposely hurt Wade. They have no worries.

[Ghostfacethrill]

this scrub blew by kobe and dunked on dwight

lol...that was ONE game. I'm a blazer fan, and believe me...rudy fernandez is AWFUL

[Soothing Layup]

Thought I should leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksbBelY9SIM

[Xsatyr]

this scrub blew by kobe and dunked on dwight

Stromile Swift is an all star...

[bdreason]

Less than 5 million a year would make him the highest paid player in ACB history? Really?

[boozehound]

Less than 5 million a year would make him the highest paid player in ACB history? Really?
and this is why the idea of there being tons of $ for nba ballers to just go take over there is silly. That is basically the qualifying offer to retain rights for a late lotto pick coming out of his rookie contract and nearly 1.5 million less than the mid-level salary in the nba.


I kinda hope he doesnt take it, because I think he would be a very fun player to watch on dallas.

[boozehound]

so, its basically the same as the qualifying offer for Austin Daye (4+ million), the 15th pick in the draft (i.e. not even a lottery pick). Damn.


So, two points. Obviously escape to europe isnt the answer. doesnt this also point to how out of wack the salaries are in the NBA (go look at the revenue of Euroleague vs NBA last year) comparatively. The biggest salary ever in the most successful euro league is = to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick.

[Juvenile]

Those are always net figures. $26 million actually might equal around $43-45 million on a NBA contract, depending on state income taxes and benefits included in the contracts. And that is a lot more than the qualifying offer for a late lotto pick.

Btw, the contract would reportedly start now, Rudy would be free to return to the Mavs when a NBA season starts and he would leave after this season. If that is correct, the Mavs are screwed cause they have no way to match that right now. They probably wouldnt want to anyway with that sum being reported, but whatever....

[Nero Tulip]

so, its basically the same as the qualifying offer for Austin Daye (4+ million), the 15th pick in the draft (i.e. not even a lottery pick). Damn.


So, two points. Obviously escape to europe isnt the answer. doesnt this also point to how out of wack the salaries are in the NBA (go look at the revenue of Euroleague vs NBA last year) comparatively. The biggest salary ever in the most successful euro league is = to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick.

Where are you getting this 4+ million number? I think it's a lot less.

[Chicago Ted]

Seriously.

Jaw looking like he's the third member of Terrence and Phillip.

:facepalm

You are so sad :lol

[Scoooter]

He gets to live in Spain too, which is beautiful.

[The-Legend-24]

No way Jose Mourinho let's him play. :no:

[Funnyfuka]

Glad that the deal will take place after next season. If Rudy steps it up and has a great season, Cuban might throw even more money his way.
not going to happen, he ll be lazy and wait for his comeback in europe. Ha these europeans players "who dont like north america"....why did they come in the first place then?

[Euroleague]

This thread is totally misleading. Contracts in Europe are NET INCOME.

$26 million NET INCOME.

NET INCOME

[Euroleague]

Less than 5 million a year would make him the highest paid player in ACB history? Really?

NET INCOME

Do you have any grasp of what that means? And, actually Navarro makes the same amount on average. So it would be no higher than what Navarro already makes in Spain.

[Euroleague]

and this is why the idea of there being tons of $ for nba ballers to just go take over there is silly. That is basically the qualifying offer to retain rights for a late lotto pick coming out of his rookie contract and nearly 1.5 million less than the mid-level salary in the nba.


I kinda hope he doesnt take it, because I think he would be a very fun player to watch on dallas.

So you are saying, "that is basically the qualifying offer to retain rights for a late lotto pick coming out of his rookie contract and nearly 1.5 million less than the mid-level salary in the nba" - that this is the same as $26 million NET INCOME?....................


Seriously, I hope you are joking.

[Euroleague]

The biggest salary ever in the most successful euro league is = to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick.

That is completely untrue. Josh Childress was making 4.8 million euros per season net income with Olympiacos. That is not far from a max NBA contract. No mid first round draft pick in NBA history has ever made anything close to that in a rookie scale contract.

[boozehound]

Where are you getting this 4+ million number? I think it's a lot less.
the website that shall not be named's nba salary charts. thats what the other charts report as well. google nba salary and look at any of them.


Regardless of whether its the qualifying offer for the 15th pick or the 12th pick is besides the point. The point is that the salaries in europe are not comparable to those in the US. The idea that there are tens of millions to be had by nba ballers in europe for one year contracts is absurd and not grounded in reality.

As to that being a post tax net figure, I have not seen it reported as such, though I do sometimes see euro salaries reported as such. so, even as such (lets say 39mil/6 years -1.5 times the reported #), his average salary over the 6 years is still less than the average salary of a MLE over 5 years.

[boozehound]

That is completely untrue. Josh Childress was making 4.8 million euros per season net income with Olympiacos. That is not far from a max NBA contract. No mid first round draft pick in NBA history has ever made anything close to that in a rookie scale contract.
wait. Josh Childress is your positive example? Why are you such an angry little man?

[Euroleague]

the website that shall not be named's nba salary charts. thats what the other charts report as well. google nba salary and look at any of them.


Regardless of whether its the qualifying offer for the 15th pick or the 12th pick is besides the point. The point is that the salaries in europe are not comparable to those in the US. The idea that there are tens of millions to be had by nba ballers in europe for one year contracts is absurd and not grounded in reality.

As to that being a post tax net figure, I have not seen it reported as such, though I do sometimes see euro salaries reported as such. so, even as such (lets say 39mil/6 years -1.5 times the reported #), his average salary over the 6 years is still less than the average salary of a MLE over 5 years.

Salaries in Europe are listed as NET INCOME.

Please list the links that show that even the #1 draft pick of the NBA gets that much.

You will need to show that the #1 draft pick of the NBA, NETS TO HIS POCKET, after taxes, agent fees, NBA union fees, and NBA retirement fees......an average of over $5 million per season.

[Euroleague]

wait. Josh Childress is your positive example? Why are you such an angry little man?

You claimed that Childress was making, "= to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick."

So 4.8 million euros per season net income is "= to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick."

Oh really?

[Da KO King]

I still remember getting killed for saying Fernandez would be nothing special in the NBA

[Euroleague]

I still remember getting killed for saying Fernandez would be nothing special in the NBA

Rudy Fernandez was, in all honesty, a very overrated player when he was in Europe. He is very good with Spain's national team. But, with his club team's he has always been really overrated.

He would be really overpaid in Real Madrid at that salary. He would not even be close to the best player in the ACB/Euroleague. Top 20? Maybe. #1? No freaking way.

[Da KO King]

He would be really overpaid in Real Madrid at that salary. He would not even be close to the best player in the ACB/Euroleague. Top 20? Maybe. #1? No freaking way.
I don't think they are signing him to being a top 5 European player. I honestly believe its more of a publicity more. Not only are they stealing away a NBA player but they are bringing back Rudy who was/is very popular in Spain.

I think they'll expect top 20 play from Rudy. Anything better than that is icing on the cake to them.

[dbronx42]

Thanks for Jordan Hamilton sucka's!! :banana:

[Maga_1]

I don't think they are signing him to being a top 5 European player. I honestly believe its more of a publicity more. Not only are they stealing away a NBA player but they are bringing back Rudy who was/is very popular in Spain.

I think they'll expect top 20 play from Rudy. Anything better than that is icing on the cake to them.

Remember that Rudy was the ACB MVP in his last year at Badalona.

[Da KO King]

Remember that Rudy was the ACB MVP in his last year at Badalona.
Bottom line it for me, will Rudy Fernandez be a top 5 Euroleague player?

[Maga_1]

Bottom line it for me, will Rudy Fernandez be a top 5 Euroleague player?

Eventually, not .. there will be much more competition this year.

[brain drain]

Salaries in Europe are listed as NET INCOME.
You will need to show that the #1 draft pick of the NBA, NETS TO HIS POCKET, after taxes, agent fees, NBA union fees, and NBA retirement fees......an average of over $5 million per season.

Are you sure about that?
Spain used to have a law that exempted sports stars from paying taxes (lex Beckham). But now they're paying 43% taxes again, so I'd be really surprised if Madrid was actually offering Rudy around 8 million / year (net income + taxes + agent fees + other stuff).

[boozehound]

You claimed that Childress was making, "= to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick."

So 4.8 million euros per season net income is "= to the QO for a mid-first round draft pick."

Oh really?
see, this is why you fail everytime at ISH. You make some ridiculous claim that the poster you are arguing with never made. I never once mention childress except in a reply to you (where I make no mention on $ or contracts or anything).


Also, if Childress' had such a great deal, why'd he decline his player option?

Again, even if the gross salary is 1.5 times the reported net (which seems a reasonable starting point), rudy will make the same as a MLE player in his third year. and this is the biggest (or tied with the biggest) contract in the best euro league. Thats the point.

[ace23]

Not even a great deal. I'm sure he could make more playing in the NBA.

[All Net]

Not even a great deal. I'm sure he could make more playing in the NBA.
I doubt it, he's a 2-3 million at best.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

http://www.marca.com/2011/07/05/baloncesto/nba/1309843389.html

Rudy Fernandez made his decision: He's staying in the NBA. The Spanish guard will honor his contract with Dallas and then he will decide what to do with his career.

Just back from Paris after a conversation with his agent, Rudy Fernandez made the decision. He stays in the NBA.

The Spaniard will meet in Dallas forward the year of his contract left and then decide what to do with his career.

Real Madrid, who was well positioned to meet their recruitment must wait another season to try his signing. So Rudy's approach to early July.

[Grinder]

http://www.marca.com/2011/07/05/baloncesto/nba/1309843389.html

Rudy Fernandez made his decision: He's staying in the NBA. The Spanish guard will honor his contract with Dallas and then he will decide what to do with his career.

Just back from Paris after a conversation with his agent, Rudy Fernandez made the decision. He stays in the NBA.

The Spaniard will meet in Dallas forward the year of his contract left and then decide what to do with his career.

Real Madrid, who was well positioned to meet their recruitment must wait another season to try his signing. So Rudy's approach to early July.

Great news. Rudy was very excited to be traded to Dallas.

[Euroleague]

Remember that Rudy was the ACB MVP in his last year at Badalona.

He's a top 20, to maybe a top 15 player in Europe. Not more than that.

[Euroleague]

Are you sure about that?
Spain used to have a law that exempted sports stars from paying taxes (lex Beckham). But now they're paying 43% taxes again, so I'd be really surprised if Madrid was actually offering Rudy around 8 million / year (net income + taxes + agent fees + other stuff).

The clubs will pay the taxes on big signings.

[Euroleague]

see, this is why you fail everytime at ISH. You make some ridiculous claim that the poster you are arguing with never made. I never once mention childress except in a reply to you (where I make no mention on $ or contracts or anything).


Also, if Childress' had such a great deal, why'd he decline his player option?

Again, even if the gross salary is 1.5 times the reported net (which seems a reasonable starting point), rudy will make the same as a MLE player in his third year. and this is the biggest (or tied with the biggest) contract in the best euro league. Thats the point.

1.5 times a gross amount is not a reasonable estimate. NBA players pay taxes, union fees, retirement fund fees, agent fees out of their gross contracts. A net euro contract is at absolute minimum at least double, due to being net. Not 1.5 times.

[niko]

1.5 times a gross amount is not a reasonable estimate. NBA players pay taxes, union fees, retirement fund fees, agent fees out of their gross contracts. A net euro contract is at absolute minimum at least double, due to being net. Not 1.5 times.
are you totally sure? You create these scenarios where it looks absolutely insane that someone would turn down money from the Euroleague, and you always tell us there is tons of money teams will spend, but they do really really often. (No one goes) I'm having trouble thinking Europe is so lucrative, it's Europe (living in some of these cities is awesome) but it's not even a consideration for most players.

[Euroleague]

are you totally sure? You create these scenarios where it looks absolutely insane that someone would turn down money from the Euroleague, and you always tell us there is tons of money teams will spend, but they do really really often. (No one goes) I'm having trouble thinking Europe is so lucrative, it's Europe (living in some of these cities is awesome) but it's not even a consideration for most players.

Yes, I am sure.

35% federal taxes.

7% state taxes average for teams in states that pay tax.

3% state tax average for teams in states that don't pay state tax -

the government rule is players have to pay an average of the taxes of the games they play on the road of the places that do pay state tax. No such thing as players not paying state tax in some states as most NBA fans seem to believe.

3% for union fees - under current union rules.

3% for player retirement and insurance funds -

under the CBA that just expired. The players want more benefits for retired players, so if anything it might go up under the new CBA.

3-4% average for agent's fees for players on their basketball contracts.


Also, just to add this in, players that play in the NBA get tagged an average of 10% agent fees on their sponsor and marketing endorsement deals. In Europe, the club's themselves will arrange such deals for the players and charge them no fees to do so.

And, state and federal taxes in the USA will surely go up soon, as the USA is in incredibly huge debt and is just about bankrupted, and states will have to start increasing taxes, and no doubt the federal government will have to. Probably after the next election cycle.

The federal government tax rate will probably go back to the 39% rate of before the Bush tax cuts for the super rich, because if it does not, the USA will probably end up in civil war.

So yes, I am sure that taking a net contract amount in Europe, and converting it to US dollars, and then just multiplying it by 1.5 to figure a gross amount like an NBA contract is not correct. Because even at the current US tax rate, and with the other fees that come out of NBA contracts, it is much more than just a 1.5 times difference.

Doubling it is much more accurate, and in some cases even that is not enough to make up the difference.

[Droid101]

Yes, I am sure.

35% federal taxes.

7% state taxes average for teams in states that pay tax.

3% state tax average for teams in states that don't pay state tax -

the government rule is players have to pay an average of the taxes of the games they play on the road of the places that do pay state tax. No such thing as players not paying state tax in some states as most NBA fans seem to believe.

3% for union fees - under current union rules.

3% for player retirement and insurance funds -

under the CBA that just expired. The players want more benefits for retired players, so if anything it might go up under the new CBA.

3-4% average for agent's fees for players on their basketball contracts.


Also, just to add this in, players that play in the NBA get tagged an average of 10% agent fees on their sponsor and marketing endorsement deals. In Europe, the club's themselves will arrange such deals for the players and charge them no fees to do so.

And, state and federal taxes in the USA will surely go up soon, as the USA is in incredibly huge debt and is just about bankrupted, and states will have to start increasing taxes, and no doubt the federal government will have to. Probably after the next election cycle.

The federal government tax rate will probably go back to the 39% rate of before the Bush tax cuts for the super rich, because if it does not, the USA will probably end up in civil war.

So yes, I am sure that taking a net contract amount in Europe, and converting it to US dollars, and then just multiplying it by 1.5 to figure a gross amount like an NBA contract is not correct. Because even at the current US tax rate, and with the other fees that come out of NBA contracts, it is much more than just a 1.5 times difference.

Doubling it is much more accurate, and in some cases even that is not enough to make up the difference.
Got any links for those figures? :hammerhead:

[dj ys]

Yes, I am sure.

35% federal taxes.

7% state taxes average for teams in states that pay tax.

3% state tax average for teams in states that don't pay state tax -

the government rule is players have to pay an average of the taxes of the games they play on the road of the places that do pay state tax. No such thing as players not paying state tax in some states as most NBA fans seem to believe.

3% for union fees - under current union rules.

3% for player retirement and insurance funds -

under the CBA that just expired. The players want more benefits for retired players, so if anything it might go up under the new CBA.

3-4% average for agent's fees for players on their basketball contracts.


Also, just to add this in, players that play in the NBA get tagged an average of 10% agent fees on their sponsor and marketing endorsement deals. In Europe, the club's themselves will arrange such deals for the players and charge them no fees to do so.

And, state and federal taxes in the USA will surely go up soon, as the USA is in incredibly huge debt and is just about bankrupted, and states will have to start increasing taxes, and no doubt the federal government will have to. Probably after the next election cycle.

The federal government tax rate will probably go back to the 39% rate of before the Bush tax cuts for the super rich, because if it does not, the USA will probably end up in civil war.

So yes, I am sure that taking a net contract amount in Europe, and converting it to US dollars, and then just multiplying it by 1.5 to figure a gross amount like an NBA contract is not correct. Because even at the current US tax rate, and with the other fees that come out of NBA contracts, it is much more than just a 1.5 times difference.

Doubling it is much more accurate, and in some cases even that is not enough to make up the difference.

:facepalm Civil War? http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.png

[niko]

Yes, I am sure.

35% federal taxes.

7% state taxes average for teams in states that pay tax.

3% state tax average for teams in states that don't pay state tax -

the government rule is players have to pay an average of the taxes of the games they play on the road of the places that do pay state tax. No such thing as players not paying state tax in some states as most NBA fans seem to believe.

3% for union fees - under current union rules.

3% for player retirement and insurance funds -

under the CBA that just expired. The players want more benefits for retired players, so if anything it might go up under the new CBA.

3-4% average for agent's fees for players on their basketball contracts.


Also, just to add this in, players that play in the NBA get tagged an average of 10% agent fees on their sponsor and marketing endorsement deals. In Europe, the club's themselves will arrange such deals for the players and charge them no fees to do so.

And, state and federal taxes in the USA will surely go up soon, as the USA is in incredibly huge debt and is just about bankrupted, and states will have to start increasing taxes, and no doubt the federal government will have to. Probably after the next election cycle.
The federal government tax rate will probably go back to the 39% rate of before the Bush tax cuts for the super rich, because if it does not, the USA will probably end up in civil war.So yes, I am sure that taking a net contract amount in Europe, and converting it to US dollars, and then just multiplying it by 1.5 to figure a gross amount like an NBA contract is not correct. Because even at the current US tax rate, and with the other fees that come out of NBA contracts, it is much more than just a 1.5 times difference.

Doubling it is much more accurate, and in some cases even that is not enough to make up the difference.

LOL, you are a ****ing comedian. I am convinced you are doing some strange Kaufmanesque thing here now more than ever. You slip in something like that. Great comedy.

So i have concluded Euroleague must SUCK because even with ten billion advantages players do not flock there.

Note (Maga, others), i don't really think this but Euroleague always pains a picture that shows playing in the Euroleague to be ten thousand bazillion timse better than the NBA, yet there is no exodous of players. Whys is that? Either he is exaggerating (SHOCKING I KNOW) or the Euroleague must be an awful place to be that players avoid.

[Euroleague]

LOL, you are a ****ing comedian. I am convinced you are doing some strange Kaufmanesque thing here now more than ever. You slip in something like that. Great comedy.

So i have concluded Euroleague must SUCK because even with ten billion advantages players do not flock there.

Note (Maga, others), i don't really think this but Euroleague always pains a picture that shows playing in the Euroleague to be ten thousand bazillion timse better than the NBA, yet there is no exodous of players. Whys is that? Either he is exaggerating (SHOCKING I KNOW) or the Euroleague must be an awful place to be that players avoid.

Jasikevicius, Childress, Spanoulis, Kleiza, Macijuaskas, Langdon, Navarro, Batiste - just off the top of my head every one of them has gone on record as saying that the Euroleague is a much better environment to play and live in than the NBA is.

If most American NBA players were not as racist as most NBA fans are, and did not believe the racist BS that "the Euroleague is a bunch of short, slow, non athletic white stiffs that can't jump or run"............

then many American NBA players would go to the Euroleague. But most of them, just like most of the NBA fans in the USA, believe in the extremely racist marketing of the NBA, that basketball is a "black man's game", and that "whites can't play basketball."

American players want to play in places like Miami or LA, which are complete hell holes compared to any decent Mediterranean city. American players would flock to the Euroleague if they actually knew anything about it.

I've never heard a single American player that played in the NBA and Euroleague, ever say that the Euroleague was "inferior" and all this other BS nonsense that you see in forums like this. They all say that it is a very serious level of basketball competition.

It is all USA Basketball, NBA marketing, the US sports media, and the players like the agents, Nike, Reebok, Gatorade, Addidas, AAU system, high school and NCAA coaches, etc....

brainwashing American players from an early age that the Euroleague is a joke and to not play there, as a ploy to hoard the money in the US basketball system.

The US sports media like ESPN and TNT and Fox, SI, etc. are ridiculous in this. Always brainwashing the American fans about how inferior the Euroleague is and how superior the NBA is. It is all marketing and money BS.

Most US sports fans would love the Euroleague if it was ever presented to them in a normal way.

[Maga_1]

In other news, Rudy Fernandez is not going to Real Madrid.
He's back to Dallas today, and to stay this season.

[niko]

Jasikevicius, Childress, Spanoulis, Kleiza, Macijuaskas, Langdon, Holden, Navarro, Batiste - just off the top of my head every one of them has gone on record as saying that the Euroleague is a much better environment to play and live in than the NBA is.

If most American NBA players were not as racist as most NBA fans are, and did not believe the racist BS that "the Euroleague is a bunch of short, slow, non athletic white stiffs that can't jump or run"............

then many American NBA players would go to the Euroleague. But most of them, just like most of the NBA fans in the USA, believe in the extremely racist marketing of the NBA, that basketball is a "black man's game", and that "whites can't play basketball."

American players want to play in places like Miami or LA, which are complete hell holes compared to any decent Mediterranean city. American players would flock to the Euroleague if they actually knew anything about it.

I've never heard a single American player that played in the NBA and Euroleague, ever say that the Euroleague was "inferior" and all this other BS nonsense that you see in forums like this. They all say that it is a very serious level of basketball competition.

It is all USA Basketball, NBA marketing, the US sports media, and the players like the agents, Nike, Reebok, Gatorade, Addidas, AAU system, high school and NCAA coaches, etc....

brainwashing American players from an early age that the Euroleague is a joke and to not play there, as a ploy to hoard the money in the US basketball system.

The US sports media like ESPN and TNT and Fox, SI, etc. are ridiculous in this. Always brainwashing the American fans about how inferior the Euroleague is and how superior the NBA is. It is all marketing and money BS.

Most US sports fans would love the Euroleague if it was ever presented to them in a normal way.

They have agents. They have people advising them. You are exaggerating the good points of Euroleague and painting an absolutely terrible picture of the NBA. and the fact, is, two things...
1) The competition level (level of players) in the NBA is higher so the absolute best want to play here.
2) the NBa pays significantly more. Even with your math (which you exaggerate), it comes to a point where very few Euroleague players earn above the NBA average. Think about your list. It was not average players. It was best paid all time. And it had three players who earn less than players on my current Knick team. ALL TIME HIGHEST.

its so easy when you know you are wrong. you drop all pretense of explaining things and yell RACISM! HATRED! BIAS!

[kentatm]

Yes, I am sure.

35% federal taxes.

7% state taxes average for teams in states that pay tax.

3% state tax average for teams in states that don't pay state tax -

the government rule is players have to pay an average of the taxes of the games they play on the road of the places that do pay state tax. No such thing as players not paying state tax in some states as most NBA fans seem to believe.

3% for union fees - under current union rules.

3% for player retirement and insurance funds -

under the CBA that just expired. The players want more benefits for retired players, so if anything it might go up under the new CBA.

3-4% average for agent's fees for players on their basketball contracts.


Also, just to add this in, players that play in the NBA get tagged an average of 10% agent fees on their sponsor and marketing endorsement deals. In Europe, the club's themselves will arrange such deals for the players and charge them no fees to do so.

And, state and federal taxes in the USA will surely go up soon, as the USA is in incredibly huge debt and is just about bankrupted, and states will have to start increasing taxes, and no doubt the federal government will have to. Probably after the next election cycle.

The federal government tax rate will probably go back to the 39% rate of before the Bush tax cuts for the super rich, because if it does not, the USA will probably end up in civil war.

So yes, I am sure that taking a net contract amount in Europe, and converting it to US dollars, and then just multiplying it by 1.5 to figure a gross amount like an NBA contract is not correct. Because even at the current US tax rate, and with the other fees that come out of NBA contracts, it is much more than just a 1.5 times difference.

Doubling it is much more accurate, and in some cases even that is not enough to make up the difference.


he wont be getting charged most of those taxes in Texas. We have no state income tax.

[bdreason]

So people in Europe don't pay taxes?







Now wonder Greece is bankrupt.

[bdreason]

In other news, Rudy Fernandez is not going to Real Madrid.
He's back to Dallas today, and to stay this season.


I'm glad Rudy is staying... and I'm sure Dallas is happy too. Assuming we even have an NBA season. :cry:

[niko]

So people in Europe don't pay taxes?







Now wonder Greece is bankrupt.
not taxes but there is truth in this statement. Socialism shall bankrupt us all.

[Blue&Orange]

not taxes but there is truth in this statement. Socialism shall bankrupt us all.
A little off topic :rolleyes: but,

It as nothing to do with the huge global financial crisis caused by the US? In Greece case, it was even more then just a side effect:
http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=3088

[embersyc]

he wont be getting charged most of those taxes in Texas. We have no state income tax.

Basketball players and other pro athletes have to pay taxes in all states they work in. Since 41 of his games are in Texas he will pay less state taxes, but he will still pay some to those states hosting the other half the games.

[kentatm]

Basketball players and other pro athletes have to pay taxes in all states they work in. Since 41 of his games are in Texas he will pay less state taxes, but he will still pay some to those states hosting the other half the games.


hence the reason I said he wouldn't be charged most of those taxes

[niko]

A little off topic :rolleyes: but,

It as nothing to do with the huge global financial crisis caused by the US? In Greece case, it was even more then just a side effect:
http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=3088
we give out too much too. a lot of these european countires though, they have more vacation time than we do, much more subsidies to poor than we do, they just pay out a shitload of money, and they don't have the large economy of scale we do. i traveled a lot in europe when i was younger, and was absolutely blown away by the amount they give out to their people. well, reality has set in.

why does everyone always say "well, the US has problems too". No shit. Where did i say we don't? i live in NY. i can give you chapter and verse on giving out more than you should. People have terrible inferioriy complex, anytime something bad is brought uot they immediately want to make sure they are not the worst.

[dreaming121]

I believe salaries in europe are not guaranteed right ? That might explain why Rudy decided so quickly not to play in Europe.

[Sicknote]

Jasikevicius, Childress, Spanoulis, Kleiza, Macijuaskas, Langdon, Holden, Navarro, Batiste - just off the top of my head every one of them has gone on record as saying that the Euroleague is a much better environment to play and live in than the NBA is.

If most American NBA players were not as racist as most NBA fans are, and did not believe the racist BS that "the Euroleague is a bunch of short, slow, non athletic white stiffs that can't jump or run"............

then many American NBA players would go to the Euroleague. But most of them, just like most of the NBA fans in the USA, believe in the extremely racist marketing of the NBA, that basketball is a "black man's game", and that "whites can't play basketball."

American players want to play in places like Miami or LA, which are complete hell holes compared to any decent Mediterranean city. American players would flock to the Euroleague if they actually knew anything about it.

I've never heard a single American player that played in the NBA and Euroleague, ever say that the Euroleague was "inferior" and all this other BS nonsense that you see in forums like this. They all say that it is a very serious level of basketball competition.

It is all USA Basketball, NBA marketing, the US sports media, and the players like the agents, Nike, Reebok, Gatorade, Addidas, AAU system, high school and NCAA coaches, etc....

brainwashing American players from an early age that the Euroleague is a joke and to not play there, as a ploy to hoard the money in the US basketball system.

The US sports media like ESPN and TNT and Fox, SI, etc. are ridiculous in this. Always brainwashing the American fans about how inferior the Euroleague is and how superior the NBA is. It is all marketing and money BS.

Most US sports fans would love the Euroleague if it was ever presented to them in a normal way.

I agree with the bolded

[YAH trick YAH]

Jasikevicius, Childress, Spanoulis, Kleiza, Macijuaskas, Langdon, Holden, Navarro, Batiste - just off the top of my head every one of them has gone on record as saying that the Euroleague is a much better environment to play and live in than the NBA is.


Of course they would say that. It's a league where they can actually compete. It's no fun gettin your shit pushed in every other night.

[niko]

I agree with the bolded
We have NBA, which is a superior league. I don't know how the argument got watered down but let's be real, NBA is better. That doesn't mean the Euroleague is bad, it's just truth. We also have NCAA. Americans historically don't watch foreign sports, leagues unless it's a step up. (We like Olympic hockey, we like foreign Soccer (EPL, La Liga, etc.), we like to see the best even if it's not us. How do you market a lesser league made up of foreign teams?

[miles berg]

Maybe he wants to play against great players and real competition. A league that has Trajon Langdon isn't exactly competition lol.

No one wants to play in the Euro league, it is where players that can't be stars in the NBA go. Or guys like Langdon that can't even play in the NBA go.

The real stars of Europe, guys like Nowitzki, Gasol, Parker, etc...the guys with actual talent, those guys are in the NBA.

The Euroleague is for the children, the guys that can't hang with the men in the NBA.

[SpanishACB]

people should stop speaking of europe as if it was a country or a bunch of similar states like the USA. It's really embarrasing.
Believe it or not most people in Europe realize whats going on with the financial crisis and no, its not americas fault, and no, its not caused by the superior social public services offered in most european countries.
and yes, there are taxes here (and color tv!) the only thing is that its typical for spanis clubs to give a salary figure discounting taxes which they pay for in favor of the player. its just a strategy to make it more pleasant for the player, as simple as that.

[insidehoops]

New reports say Rudy is going to pass on the offer and stay with the Mavericks:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=7950

[Euroleague]

he wont be getting charged most of those taxes in Texas. We have no state income tax.

Basketball players pay state tax. It is in the US law code. Whether they play in Texas or not. Therefore, he would pay at least several percentage points regardless. Which is exactly what I said.

[Euroleague]

So people in Europe don't pay taxes?

Reading comprehension 101. Try learning it some time please.

[Euroleague]

I believe salaries in europe are not guaranteed right ? That might explain why Rudy decided so quickly not to play in Europe.

Some of them are, some of them are not. It is totally up to the clubs to offer them or not. Every single large contract that I know of in Europe though, is guaranteed. Which to me is very stupid.

One of the main reasons why the Euroleague stays competitive is by not guaranteeing some of their contracts. The dumbest thing the NBA does is having them all guaranteed.

[Euroleague]

Maybe he wants to play against great players and real competition. A league that has Trajon Langdon isn't exactly competition lol.

No one wants to play in the Euro league, it is where players that can't be stars in the NBA go. Or guys like Langdon that can't even play in the NBA go.

The real stars of Europe, guys like Nowitzki, Gasol, Parker, etc...the guys with actual talent, those guys are in the NBA.

The Euroleague is for the children, the guys that can't hang with the men in the NBA.

Langdon was a rotation player on an NBA playoff team. He turned down several NBA contract offers in his career. He is also retired.

It is incorrect and wrong to say that he "could not play in the NBA" and that he is in the Euroleague.

[niko]

Langdon was a rotation player on an NBA playoff team. He turned down several NBA contract offers in his career. He is also retired.

It is incorrect and wrong to say that he "could not play in the NBA" and that he is in the Euroleague.
Trajan Langdon was garbage in the NBA. He was a rotation player on a totally crappy team that happened to make the playoffs. Do you think all of us never watched any NBA basketball? You constantly overstate players contributions in the NBA who were in the Euroleague. State facts.