Best Defensive Point Guard in the NBA?

[knickswin]

I don't think there are any point guards who are Gary Payton type defenders who will shut their man down. For the most part point guards just take turn raping each other, but some of them have a good defensive impact.

1.) Chris Paul--gets on-ball steals but can also play the passing lanes, plays good help D, vocal leader on that end of the court, pesky and provides a lot of ball pressure, I think he has a solid case for being the best defensive point guard

2.) Jason Kidd--not much of a point guard defender, but is a big, strong point guard who is fundamentally sound and has quick hands so can legitimately guards 2s and 3s. He made Kevin Durant's and Dwyane Wade's lives miserable during fourth quarters.

3.) Rajon Rondo--I always though his D was a bit overrated. He gets steals by playing the passing lanes, although his freakish wingspan allows him to do it without gambling as much as others. He definitely commits on that end and makes life a bit more difficult for the opposing guard.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

John Wall will be on that list in a couple of seasons...So much potencial in him defensivly.

[Myth]

Rondo.

[KingJay718]

Russell Westbrook.

[nevetslc88]

I think Jrue Holiday is pretty good.

[NuggetsFan]

Rondo. Kinda had a down year defensively from what I saw tho.

[Ikill]

Derrick Rose

[brandonislegend]

John Wall/Brandon Jennings for the next 3 years

[ThaSwagg3r]

Chris Paul, people who think he does nothing but gamble and play the passing lanes know nothing about the guy and have never watched the guy played.

Rondo is more like that than CP3.

[Samurai Swoosh]

LOL @ the people being mentioned in this thread.

The best defender is Kirk Hinrich.

[brownmamba00]

Chris Paul, people who think he does nothing but gamble and play the passing lanes know nothing about the guy and have never watched the guy played.

Rondo is more like that than CP3.
Chris Paul is overrated defensivly imo. Hes above average but not something special and yes I watched him play:rolleyes:

Gimme D-Will:rockon:

[yobore]

Chris Paul is overrated defensivly imo. Hes above average but not something special and yes I watched him play:rolleyes:

Gimme D-Will:rockon:
funny how DWill consistently has among the worst on/off defensive numbers, D-rating, or any other objective measure of PG defense and CP the best.

But he is bigger

[brownmamba00]

funny how DWill consistently has among the worst on/off defensive numbers, D-rating, or any other objective measure of PG defense and CP the best.

But he is bigger

Well defense can't be measured by stats so Dwill>>:banana:

[Samurai Swoosh]

CP3 actually is a pretty good defender. He gets a lot of his steals on man defense, not just playing the passing lanes.

[knickscity]

Well defense can't be measured by stats so Dwill>>:banana:
Sig worthy if this site had them.

[blablabla]

rondo
lowry
paul
holiday
kidd
conley
hinrich

[brownmamba00]

Sig worthy if this site had them.
:oldlol:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Luke Ridnour and it's not even close

[Hamburgers]

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[allabouthawks]

LOL @ the people being mentioned in this thread.

The best defender is Kirk Hinrich.
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[allabouthawks]

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:facepalm

[knickswin]

Sig worthy if this site had them.

it's kind of true though. Steals and blocks don't tell you everything, otherwise we could say Amare and Javale McGee are good defenders. The other statistics can be circumstantial--who's he playing with at the time, who's the other team playing with at the time, are two players being asked to defend the same type of players?--stuff like that. Also some players don't really "bring it" on defense every night, but that doesn't mean they're who you want defending you during the playoffs. The eye test is best for determining who's a good defender.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Norris cole will be in this conversation very soon. he's a very good on ball defender. I can't wait for miami vs boston/bulls/sixers next season for people to see what a good defender he is. But for now, CP3/hinrich/rondo/rose/ are good.

[knickswin]

I don't get why Derrick Rose gets called a good defender. I don't really see much out of him. He's not Steve Nash bad, but I don't know why he's considered any better than average. He has good individual defenders on his team and good defensive schemes from the coach.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I don't get why Derrick Rose gets called a good defender. I don't really see much out of him. He's not Steve Nash bad, but I don't know why he's considered any better than average. He has good individual defenders on his team and good defensive schemes from the coach.

Because people are idiots, and know very little about basketball.

[PK3434]

the back up pg for the bulls was the most impressive defensively in the playoffs. chalmers couldnt even bring the ball up the court against him at sow points.

[knickswin]

the back up pg for the bulls was the most impressive defensively in the playoffs. chalmers couldnt even bring the ball up the court against him at sow points.

chalmers' handles suck though

[ballup]

the back up pg for the bulls was the most impressive defensively in the playoffs. chalmers couldnt even bring the ball up the court against him at sow points.
Lots of defensive point guards can do that against Chalmers. I bet Avery Bradley can do that easily.

[chips93]

id take rondo over paul, mostly because paul can occasionally get exposed by bigger point guards down low, like andre miller and billups

[ThaSwagg3r]

id take rondo over paul, mostly because paul can occasionally get exposed by bigger point guards down low, like andre miller and billups
Show me all the games where Chris Paul's defense has been exposed, thanks.

[chips93]

Show me all the games where Chris Paul's defense has been exposed, thanks.


when he plays against bigger point guards like miller, d-will, and billups, the opposing team will call for post ups on him. if hes the best defensive point guard in the league, the opposing teams wouldnt be calling plays to isolate him down low.

[Ikill]

I don't get why Derrick Rose gets called a good defender. I don't really see much out of him. He's not Steve Nash bad, but I don't know why he's considered any better than average. He has good individual defenders on his team and good defensive schemes from the coach.
I'm pretty sure i was the only one to say Derrick Rose

[ThaSwagg3r]

when he plays against bigger point guards like miller, d-will, and billups, the opposing team will call for post ups on him. if hes the best defensive point guard in the league, the opposing teams wouldnt be calling plays to isolate him down low.
Ok, and how successful are they posting him up and scoring on him? Show me some evidence instead of spewing a bunch of b.s., thanks. Who cares if they call a bunch of isolations down in the low-post if they are unsuccessful at it? Id take that anytime.

[gengiskhan]

haha

nice one.

do they even play defense in the NBA today. :roll:

[yobore]

when he plays against bigger point guards like miller, d-will, and billups, the opposing team will call for post ups on him. if hes the best defensive point guard in the league, the opposing teams wouldnt be calling plays to isolate him down low.
While I agree with Rondo #1, that "post up" scenario happens 100x more on message boards than in real games against CP. CP isn't weak and his low center of gravity, quickness, and the fact they never call a foul on him aren't that inviting for post-up PG's, and even against Deron and Billups at their best it doesn't happen more than twice a game. In fact I've probably seen Kobe or Lebron post up on him more than either of those guys and they don't match up nearly as much so it's not exactly a go-to move for PG's.

His weakness against big guards is when they face up and have a good long range J, which is something Rondo is long enough to prevent.

[chips93]

While I agree with Rondo #1, that "post up" scenario happens 100x more on message boards than in real games against CP. CP isn't weak and his low center of gravity, quickness, and the fact they never call a foul on him aren't that inviting for post-up PG's, and even against Deron and Billups at their best it doesn't happen more than twice a game. His weakness against big guards is when they face up and have a good long range J, which is something Rondo is long enough to prevent.


but my point is, that if cp3 is the best defensive point guard he shouldnt be targeted at all. id rather have rondo who is more versatile and has no holes defensively as opposed to cp3 who isnt a great low post defender.

[Keith]

Jason Kidd easy. He handcuffed Lebron and does a great job on bigger guards.
He can't guard the quick point guards anymore w/o getting embaressed remember the No Dallas series CP3 torched him.

Point guard on point guard Rondo.

[widowmaker]

Holiday.

[Bigsmoke]

Rondo. .

but yet Rose destroys dudes o so elite defense all the time.

[Rose]

Chris Paul
Jrue Holiday
Russy/Rondo
Kirk Hinrich, although he is the most versatile one of them.

[JGXEN]

but yet Rose destroys dudes o so elite defense all the time.
Bandwagoner

[Force]

Rose and Westbrook should not be mentioned at all. LOL @ anybody listing them. In no particular order, here are some of the best defensive point guards in the game.

Rondo
HOLIDAY
Lowry
Kidd
CP3
Hinrich

side note: I was shocked how good Rubio played defense 1 on 1 against the USA, in the Olympics. He literally stayed with Kobe with no help in 1 on 1 plays. I think he will be one of the top guys once he adjusts to the NBA game.

[DRose1899]

The hell anyone can mention CP3?
Because his steal ratio?
He's not better than Rose guarding player, got owned from left and right off the dribble.

Btw give me Kidd and Hinrich.

[Toizumi]

When the Pistons won their last championship, Chauncey Billups was considered to be one of the best PG

[dee-rose]

LOL @ the people being mentioned in this thread.

The best defender is Kirk Hinrich.
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

Kirk >>>>

[FatComputerNerd]

Kidd and Kirk are both up there, even as senior citizens.

Among the younger crowd I'd have to go with Holiday, based on what I've seen. He plays smothering man to man defense, much like Sasha Vujacec, with the difference being that he is actually effective.

[DurandAlexander]

It's really tough to say.

But CP3 can't be too far from the top.

[FourthTenor]

BaRon Davis

[pauk]

lebron james

seriously... nobody can defend pointguards better than him (WADE is excellent at it to)... and even offensively nobody can produce like him when he plays pointguard (not even assists)... take a look at his cavs days especially that month he started PG for 11 games straight and averaged 29-8-12

lebron = pointguard stuck in a forwards body

[Papaya Petee]

lebron james

seriously... nobody can defend pointguards better than him (WADE is excellent at it to)... and even offensively nobody can produce like him when he plays pointguard (not even assists)... take a look at his cavs days especially that month he started PG for 11 games straight and averaged 29-8-12

lebron = pointguard stuck in a forwards body
shut up clown.

[GiveItToBurrito]

John Wall will be on that list in a couple of seasons...So much potencial in him defensivly.

Yeah, plus he seems to want to be the best defender at his position, which goes a long way. Jrue Holiday could be about as good, too, actually.

I'm going with Lowry and Rondo followed by Felton as far as starters. Kidd deserves an honorable mention since he's an ok defender on point guards but great against wings, especially shooting guards.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Chris Paul. He's a pest for opposing guards.

[wally_world]

It's between Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday

[Samurai Swoosh]

It's between Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday
:oldlol:

[hawksdogsbraves]

shut up clown.

He has a point, Lebron abused Rose when he guarded him in the playoffs. I don't think any PG in the league could have come close to having that effect on the MVP.

[Soothing Layup]

Chauncey billups
Rondo
Kidd
Cp3
Duhon

[bdreason]

Rondo
Holiday
CP3


Those are my 3 top picks.

[FatComputerNerd]

Is CP3 actually a good defender? I will be honest, I haven't seen him play much as I didn't watch the hornets all that much. I know he gets a lot of steals, but that should not be the basis for calling someone a good defender.

Does he do a good job at containing opposing pointguards, with his man to man defense?

[knickswin]

Is CP3 actually a good defender? I will be honest, I haven't seen him play much as I didn't watch the hornets all that much. I know he gets a lot of steals, but that should not be the basis for calling someone a good defender.

Does he do a good job at containing opposing pointguards, with his man to man defense?

He is. He is somewhat limited by his body but he plays about as good defense you can ask from him. He does not play Gary Payton style of defense but pretty much no point guards do that today. A lot of his steals are on ball and he is a pesky ball hawk. He is also a smart team defender and will come with the timely doubles and can play the passing lanes.

[KGMN]

Luke Ridnour and it's not even close
+1

[Rose]

He has a point, Lebron abused Rose when he guarded him in the playoffs. I don't think any PG in the league could have come close to having that effect on the MVP.
DJ Augustin.:lol

You thought I was joking, didn't you? (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=augusdj01&p2=rosede01)

[KGMN]

DJ Augustin.:lol

You thought I was joking, didn't you? (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=augusdj01&p2=rosede01)

Those stats are for Derrick Rose's entire career... they're just slightly below his full career averages.

In the 2010-11 season, Rose averaged 22 ppg, 7.5 apg, 3.5 rpg, 1 spg, and over 1 bpg. I will congratulate Augustin, however, on holding Derrick to under 42% shooting.

[Rose]

Those stats are for Derrick Rose's entire career... they're just slightly below his full career averages.

In the 2010-11 season, Rose averaged 22 ppg, 7.5 apg, 3.5 rpg, 1 spg, and over 1 bpg. I will congratulate Augustin, however, on holding Derrick to under 42% shooting.
aside from one game, Rose SUCKED against him.

[bizil]

I don't think there are any point guards who are Gary Payton type defenders who will shut their man down. For the most part point guards just take turn raping each other, but some of them have a good defensive impact.

1.) Chris Paul--gets on-ball steals but can also play the passing lanes, plays good help D, vocal leader on that end of the court, pesky and provides a lot of ball pressure, I think he has a solid case for being the best defensive point guard

2.) Jason Kidd--not much of a point guard defender, but is a big, strong point guard who is fundamentally sound and has quick hands so can legitimately guards 2s and 3s. He made Kevin Durant's and Dwyane Wade's lives miserable during fourth quarters.

3.) Rajon Rondo--I always though his D was a bit overrated. He gets steals by playing the passing lanes, although his freakish wingspan allows him to do it without gambling as much as others. He definitely commits on that end and makes life a bit more difficult for the opposing guard.


Very good list! I feel Paul and Rondo are those Mo Cheeks style defenders. At that 6'0 to 6'1 size, very few PG's were as great as Cheeks defense wise. But Paul mixes in Isiah type ability of offense making him in my book the best PG in the L along with D Will. For u Rose fans out there, Rose is the premier scoring PG in the L. But Paul and D Will can come very close or maybe even match Rose's scoring output. But they are also the premier floor generals in the L on top of it. Rondo I feel is the new age version of Mo Cheeks. Both are premier on D and floor general droppin dimes shit. But Cheeks and Rondo can't takeover a game and become Batman when needed like Paul or D Will can.

U bring up an excellent point about J Kidd. In his prime he could check PG, SG, and some SF's cause he was 6'4 and 210-215. As he slowed down quickness wise, it just altered his ability to guard quick PG's noticeably. He could still defend SG's and SF's great. I'm so glad Kidd won a ring and was a key piece to winning a ring. He wasn't just along for the ride. If Dallas didn't have Kidd this year, there would be no ring for Dallas.

[bizil]

it's kind of true though. Steals and blocks don't tell you everything, otherwise we could say Amare and Javale McGee are good defenders. The other statistics can be circumstantial--who's he playing with at the time, who's the other team playing with at the time, are two players being asked to defend the same type of players?--stuff like that. Also some players don't really "bring it" on defense every night, but that doesn't mean they're who you want defending you during the playoffs. The eye test is best for determining who's a good defender.

Very true. Some guys are awesome defenders and don't go for steals or blocks. They focus on keeping a man in front of them and getting a hand in their face. Steals and blocks are gambles. You could foul a guy trying to do it. Or u can fall for an upfake and get burned off the dribble or on a pivot. So some guys naturally play it more safe and don't gamble as much. A guy like Paul gets great steal numbers AND is a great defender. Other guys might get great steal numbers, but aren't great man on man defenders. I feel every great defender HAS to be a great man on man defender in addition to team defense of passing lane defense. But if I had to pick one for a guy to be great at, it would be man on man. Even if he isn't as good team defense or passing lane wise.

[Friday]

It was Rondo easily in 2010 but he and his defense regressed big time in 2011. I'll probably go with Chris Paul, he gets underrated defensively these days.

[JaskoX1]

BaRon Davis
if, and when he tries. id also say the same about Rose or Andre Miller.