Ranking the best NBA small forwards, summer of 2011

[Da Heroic One]

1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Luol Deng

[ballup]

Gerald Wallace should be in there instead of Deng.

[ABfor3]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger

[Rowe]

1. LeBron James - Finals doesnt change this
2. Carmelo Anthony - Put him over Durant due to clutch factor
3. Kevin Durant - Gets overrated somewhat, but will be the best soon
4. Paul Pierce - Still gives you numbers + clutch factor & defense
5. Andre Iguodala - Good all around player + good defense

[knickswin]

1.) Lebron-duh
2.) Carmelo-top 3 scorer in the NBA, could make a case for best
3.) Durant-I won't put him above Carmelo until someone explains to me why he's better at basketball without resorting to looking solely at statistics
4.) Pierce
5.) Gay/Wallace/Igoudala

[ShaqAttack3234]

1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Carmelo
4.Pierce
5.Wallace? Can't think of anyone else.

Carmelo should be above Durant based on talent, but I question his mentality a lot. I'd like to see more consistency out of Melo.

[cavsfanatic]

1. Breezy
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Rudy Gay
5. Pierce

[Dave3]

Skip Bayless and kaiuu haven't made an appearance yet, so I'll post on their behalf.

1. Durant
2. Melo
3. Pierce
4. Gay
5. LeBron

Justification: all of those players are clutch and make jumpers, but LeBron just bricks/quits whenever his team needs him.

[knickswin]

Skip Bayless and kaiuu haven't made an appearance yet, so I'll post on their behalf.

1. Durant
2. Melo
3. Pierce
4. Gay
5. LeBron

Justification: all of those players are clutch and make jumpers, but LeBron just bricks/quits whenever his team needs him.

Bad Skip Bayless impression, his list is
1.) Melo
2.) who cares
. . .

337.) Lebron

which even I can admit is ridiculous

[Stuckey]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger

good enough

[Meticode]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
Rudy Gay

[Jasi]

1 Durant
2 James
3 Anthony
4 Pierce
5 Iguodala

[Soothing Layup]

1 Durant
2 James
3 Anthony
4 Pierce
5 Iguodala

Second this.

[Rowe]

Second this.
Durant is not better than LeBron. Stop trying to convince yourself that.:oldlol:

[blablabla]

james
melo
durant
iggy
wallace
gay
pierce
granger
deng
butler

[Jasi]

Uh it became top 10?

Then...

1 Durant
2 James
3 Anthony
4 Pierce
5 Iguodala
6 Granger
7 Wallace
8 Marion
9 Prince
10 Gay

[Clutch]

1.LeBrick
2.Melo
3.Durant
4.Pierce
5.Tough to decide

[Ronaldinho]

1.Durant
2.Anthony
3.Pierce
4.Marion
5.Gay
6.James
7.Iguodala
8.Granger
9.Wallace
10.Deng

[wheatonbrando]

Next year:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. G Wallace
6. Gay
7. Granger
8. Deng
9. Marion
10. Kirilenko

Tiers
Lebron - no one in the league can share a tier with him, so just shut up
Durant, Pierce, Melo - durant and melo contribute very little other than points while pierce visibly makes his teammates better to allow him up into this tier
Wallace, Gay, Granger, Deng - guys you can happily go to war with as long as theyre not your best player
Marion, Kirilenko, Chandler, and a bunch of other guys equally unworthy of a top 10 list

Next 5 years:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Gay
5. Wallace
6. Gallinari
7. Granger
8. Deng
9. Pierce
10. P George

[MeLO MvP 15]

1. LeBron
2. Melo
3. Durant
4. Pierce (for now, next year I see a decline)
5. Really tough, between Gay/Iguodala/Deng/Granger/Wallace. I'd take Gay, but I could see the argument for any of them.

honorable mentions: Gallo, Marion, and Kirilenko

[v1ncelis]

1.James
2. Durant/Melo
4. Pierce
5. Iggy
6. Deng/Crash
8. Gay
9. Granger
10. Dunno :confusedshrug:

[Grinder]

For next year...

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Rudy Gay
6. Danny Granger
7. Gerald Wallace
8. Luol Deng
9. Andre Iguodala
10. Shawn Marion

[DStebb716]

1. Durant
2. James
3. Anthony
4. Granger
5. Iguodala
6. Gay
7. Pierce
8. Wallace
9. Deng
10. Gallinari

[kaiiu]

Melo
Durant
Pierce
Rudy Gay
Gerald Wallace
Danny Granger
Beasley
Iggy
Deng
Marion

[28renyoy]

The top 3 in order are clearly

James
Durant
Anthony


anyone with any other order than that is a homer/hater, including those ranking Durant ahead of LeBron

[Clutch]

Melo
Durant
Pierce
Rudy Gay
Gerald Wallace
Danny Granger
Beasley
Iggy
Deng
Marion
What's up Skip ? :oldlol:

[kaiiu]

What's up Skip ? :oldlol:
All of those players with the exception of Beasley has owned Lebrick badly. Meh.. I guess Ill stick him in Beasleys spot.

[Papaya Petee]

LeBron

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Carmelo
v
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Durant
v
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Pierce
v
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Gay\Iguodala\ etc.

[28renyoy]

The Knick/Melo homers are out of control


Durant has more accolades, better career stats, better single season stats, better playoff stats, better career playoff stats, better playoff record, yet they still rank Melo ahead. What a joke.

[alenleomessi]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Pierce
5. Wallace
6. Gay
7. Iggy
8. Deng
9. Granger
10. Kirilenko

[no pun intended]

The Knick/Melo homers are out of control


Durant has more accolades, better career stats, better single season stats, better playoff stats, better career playoff stats, better playoff record, yet they still rank Melo ahead. What a joke.
I am not a Melo homer. Anyway, I never seen how Durant could be ranked atop of Anthony. Though Durant's scoring numbers may seem much more impressive, you have to admit that Anthony is the better player in terms of his offensive skillset. I see Durant as a near seven foot Ray Allen who catches and shoots half the time. Sure, Durant is an elite shooter and so is Anthony (maybe a tad less elite than Durant), but Anthony is better one-on-one and is much more versatile-turnarounds, fadeaways, runners, footwork. Most importantly, Anthony is obviously much more clutch than Durant. Statistics aren't always what they seem.

[Rowe]

I am not a Melo homer. Anyway, I never seen how Durant could be ranked atop of Anthony. Though Durant's scoring numbers may seem much more impressive, you have to admit that Anthony is the better player in terms of his offensive skillset. I see Durant as a near seven foot Ray Allen who catches and shoots half the time. Sure, Durant is an elite shooter and so is Anthony (maybe a tad less elite than Durant), but Anthony is better one-on-one and is much more versatile-turnarounds, fadeaways, runners, footwork. Most importantly, Anthony is obviously much more clutch than Durant. Statistics aren't always what they seem.

This.

Melo is the better player right now, but its not like we're claiming that Durant wont officially surpass Melo this upcoming season or the following season.

Melo has pretty much stopped improving, his offensive skillset is complete and now hes trying to dedicate himself to improving his defense.

Who knows how good Durant will be when hes 26 like Melo? Thats why I mentioned he'll probably become the best SF if not best player in the NBA by then.

[28renyoy]

I am not a Melo homer. Anyway, I never seen how Durant could be ranked atop of Anthony. Though Durant's scoring numbers may seem much more impressive, you have to admit that Anthony is the better player in terms of his offensive skillset. I see Durant as a near seven foot Ray Allen who catches and shoots half the time. Sure, Durant is an elite shooter and so is Anthony (maybe a tad less elite than Durant), but Anthony is better one-on-one and is much more versatile-turnarounds, fadeaways, runners, footwork. Most importantly, Anthony is obviously much more clutch than Durant. Statistics aren't always what they seem.

So you would take 26 ppg on 45 FG% over 30 ppg on 48 FG%?

[pegasus]

My list:

1) Anthony
2) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Pierce
5) Gay

*Anthony is the most skilled SF, and the second most skilled player in the league, only behind Kobe.
*Lebron is not as good as his numbers suggest.
*Durant is above Pierce only because of his age, otherwise I think he's a bit overrated.
* Gay is Gay.

[28renyoy]

I'm still waiting to hear why Melo>Durant other than, he's more skilled. LOL @ that absurd logic. I guess Odom>Amare since he's "more skilled"

[Rowe]

I'm still waiting to hear why Melo>Durant other than, he's more skilled. LOL @ that absurd logic. I guess Odom>Amare since he's "more skilled"

What does Durant do on the court better than Carmelo? Im curious to know.

[28renyoy]

What does Durant do on the court better than Carmelo? Im curious to know.

Score, play defense, play off the ball, better intangibles. They're equal passers/rebounders and Melo has better ball security.

Durant is clearly the better player.

Anyone actually trying to argue Melo>Durant as a scorer is an idiot. Melo put up far inferior numbers on a run-n-gun offensive team.

[Rowe]

So you would take 26 ppg on 45 FG% over 30 ppg on 48 FG%?
Yes, considering Melo carries a team on his back in the 4th quarter and is clutch in the final 2 minutes.

& this past season Durant went for 27 on 46%. Melo went for 26 on 46%.

I'll take the guy who scores 1 point less but will bury the game winner.

[no pun intended]

Score, play defense, play off the ball, better intangibles. They're equal passers/rebounders and Melo has better ball security.

Durant is clearly the better player.

Anyone actually trying to argue Melo>Durant as a scorer is an idiot. Melo put up far inferior numbers on a run-n-gun offensive team.
Elaborate.

[28renyoy]

Yes, considering Melo carries a team on his back in the 4th quarter and is clutch in the final 2 minutes.

& this past season Durant went for 27 on 46%. Melo went for 26 on 46%.

I'll take the guy who scores 1 point less but will bury the game winner.


LOL @ this garbage

Apparently 27.7 on 46.2 FG% while taking 5.3 3's a game=25.6 on 45.5 FG% while taking 3.3 3's per game.

Durant is EASILY more efficient, while scoring 2 more ppg. God you're such a joke.

As for clutch scoring, I believe that is a part of total game stats kid. Not that it matters because Durant still scored more points in the final 5 minutes of 5 or fewer point games.


Melo these past 2 seasons-26.8/7/3 on 48.25 eFG% 55.25 TS%

Durant these past 2 seasons 29.1/7.2/2.8 51.2 eFG% 59.8 TS%

/thread

[Rowe]

Score, play defense, play off the ball, better intangibles. They're equal passers/rebounders and Melo has better ball security.

Durant is clearly the better player.

That is all subjective as hell.

You're arguing Durant is a better scorer when his numbers this past season are identical to Melo's.

Durant is better off the ball because he runs off of screens to take nearly 1/3 of his shots. Melo doesnt need screens, he isolates on the wing and takes his man 1 on 1. Its like blaming Kobe for not being better when playing off the ball than Ray Allen.

What intangibles are these btw? Carmelo has been a winner his entire life/career and has been the guy who carries his team in the clutch. What does Durant have other than scoring numbers? He never even won a state title in high school.


Anyone actually trying to argue Melo>Durant as a scorer is an idiot. Melo put up far inferior numbers on a run-n-gun offensive team.
:oldlol:

Melo puts up inferior numbers when playing on a team that had multiple guys looking for touches. Now you swap out 5 guys in Denver looking for the ball with another high scoring Forward & a shoot first PG. Durant & Westbrook together account for about 2/3 of OKC's offense on a bad night.

[28renyoy]

You're arguing Durant is a better scorer when his numbers this past season are identical to Melo's.


Durant led the league averaging 27.7 ppg on 19.7 FGA 58.9 TS% this past season
Durant led the playoffs averaging 28.6 ppg on 20.3 FGA 58.2 TS% this past season

Melo averaged 25.6 ppg on 19.5 FGA 55.7 TS% this past season
Melo averaged 26.0 ppg on 22.0 FGA 50.5 TS% in the playoffs this past season

Obviously the numbers from this past season are identical :roll:



Durant is better off the ball because he runs off of screens to take nearly 1/3 of his shots. Melo doesnt need screens, he isolates on the wing and takes his man 1 on 1. Its like blaming Kobe for not being better when playing off the ball than Ray Allen.

So you're arguing style>output? Good thing you don't coach a team

Melo these past 2 seasons-26.8/7/3 on 20.7 FGA 48.25 eFG% 55.25 TS%

Durant these past 2 seasons 29.1/7.2/2.8 on 19.9 FGA 51.2 eFG% 59.8 TS%


Carmelo has been a winner his entire life/career and has been the guy who carries his team in the clutch.


Durant won as many playoff series last season as Carmelo has won in his entire career



Melo puts up inferior numbers when playing on a team that had multiple guys looking for touches. Now you swap out 5 guys in Denver looking for the ball with another high scoring Forward & a shoot first PG. Durant & Westbrook together account for about 2/3 of OKC's offense on a bad night.

Over the past 2 years, Melo has averaged more FGA than Durant while scoring nearly 3 less ppg on far inferior efficiency. Yes, clearly touches is what puts them apart.

[Rowe]

LOL @ this garbage

Apparently 27.7 on 46.2 FG% while taking 5.3 3's a game=25.6 on 45.5 FG% while taking 3.3 3's per game.

Apparently shooting 42% from 3 on 4.2 3's a game is superior to a guy shooting 35% from 3 on 5.3 attempts.



Durant is EASILY more efficient, while scoring 2 more ppg. God you're such a joke.

Based on what?

You're the ****ing idiot saying Durant is a better shooter than when looking at pure stats saying Durant has it tougher to score.


As for clutch scoring, I believe that is a part of total game stats kid. Not that it matters because Durant still scored more points in the final 5 minutes of 5 or fewer point games.

& Clutch stats clearly point to shots in the last 10-30 seconds in a close game as I clearly mentioned Melo will carry you in the 4th quarter then bury the game winner.

Durant shoots 2-11 in those situations.
Melo is 4-6.

Sounds like Durant has a case of LeBrickitis

In terms of Durant scoring more in "Clutch" time than Melo.

Over 48 minutes, Melo averages the same number of FG attempts but shoots 45% compared while Durant shoots 40%. The only reason Durant scores more is due to getting to the FT line thanks to his superstar calls.

[no pun intended]

So you're arguing style>output? Good thing you don't coach a team

Over the past 2 years, Melo has averaged more FGA than Durant while scoring nearly 3 less ppg on far inferior efficiency. Yes, clearly touches is what puts them apart.
If you ever watched Anthony play, then you would know that he is the motor of the Knick's offense, especially under D'Antoni's system. It's not like Anthony tries to play "stylishly", but rather he has to in order to create his own offense. Under the Thunder's system, Durant is able to score much more efficiently thanks to the pick and roll offense he does with Westbrook. I'm sure Anthony is able to catch and shoot when shooting off screens, but the system he works under seldom gives him the chance to do so. Anthony has to carry his team himself; thus, he has to attempt more shots, even when he doesn't like to. How often do you see Durant play iso? Not as much as Anthony, for sure.

[28renyoy]

I'm done arguing with homers. 90% of unbiased posters at realgm, which is 10X the size of insidehoops, believe Durant is clearly superior to Anthony.

Stats back it up. Majority opinion backs it up. What else is there?

[Rowe]

Durant led the league averaging 27.7 ppg on 19.7 FGA 58.9 TS% this past season
Durant led the playoffs averaging 28.6 ppg on 20.3 FGA 58.2 TS% this past season

Melo averaged 25.6 ppg on 19.5 FGA 55.7 TS% this past season
Melo averaged 26.0 ppg on 22.0 FGA 50.5 TS% in the playoffs this past season
& the TS% doesnt mean much in this comparison considering the difference in how Melo & Durant get their points. Obviously a guy who spends the game spotting up & getting his shots off of screens will have a higher TS% than a player like Melo who gets his points off of isolations.

Once again, a guy like Ray Allen carries a higher TS% than Kobe simply due to the shot opportunities he gets while Kobe creates his own shot opportunities.

btw Melo plays on an inferior team and only played 4 games in the Playoffs.

Thats such a great stat to go off of, how about we look at what happened to Durant last year against the Lakers. :roll: :roll:

Scoring champ turned 35% FG shooter.









Durant won as many playoff series last season as Carmelo has won in his entire career




Over the past 2 years, Melo has averaged more FGA than Durant while scoring nearly 3 less ppg on far inferior efficiency. Yes, clearly touches is what puts them apart.

The reason being Durant's OKC team is superior to any team Melo has been on.

& Durant makes up the 3 PPG difference due to the previous season in which he got to the line far more times than Melo did.

btw we've talked about efficiency previously.

[Rowe]

I'm done arguing with homers. 90% of unbiased posters at realgm, which is 10X the size of insidehoops, believe Durant is clearly superior to Anthony.

Stats back it up. Majority opinion backs it up. What else is there?

Then go back to RealGM and get the **** off our site you phagghot

[Clutch]

Why do you even argue with joyner ?

He is the biggest Durant homer out there. Who knows,maybe we have mama Durant on ISH :oldlol:

[D-H-12]

Lebron is #1

after that comes K.D , Paul Pierce , Mello ...

[Rnbizzle]

Lebron
Melo/Durant
Melo/Durant
Pierce
Gay
Granger
Deng
Wallace

[chips93]

1 lebron
2 durant
3 anthony
4 gay
5 deng
6 pierce
7 wallace
8 granger
9 marion
10 beasley

[knickswin]

The Knick/Melo homers are out of control


Durant has more accolades, better career stats, better single season stats, better playoff stats, better career playoff stats, better playoff record, yet they still rank Melo ahead. What a joke.

stats stats stats stats stats stats stats

I said in my original list, I'm waiting to hear a justification of Kevin Durant being better than Carmelo Anthony that's not based all on numbers and TS%, because while stuff like that is useful, it doesn't paint the whole picture. Anyway, Melo's TS% went up significantly in New York when he started playing off the ball more, taking more threes, and not creating as many isolation shots as he did in Denver. It just goes to show you that TS% can have a lot more to do with a player's role than his actual ability.

You have to look at how they get their points, Melo can create for himself anywhere on the floor whereas Durant usually shoots off of high screens. This means that if the team finds itself in a situation where it needs a couple of basketballs in the fourth, you can count on Melo to create a midrange shot for himself while there's a good chance Durant is being forced away from the three point line off the ball.

I also love the myth that Durant is better at defense, rebounding, and "intangibles" than Carmelo. They're both pretty good rebounders for their position, but Melo is much better for his height and I would say better overall. Neither of them are great defenders, but Melo is actually a pretty good man-to-man defender. I guess Durant is a better help and team defender because Melo's awful at that.

I know it's pointless arguing with you because you're the biggest Durant homer alive, I just want to have my say anyway.

[D-H-12]

you guys should check NBA Rankings Before posting non-sense :D melo did nothing comparing to pierce ...

[Bigsmoke]

1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Luol Deng

I've watched damn every Bulls game in the last 2 years or so and i know for a fact that Deng isnt better than Danny Granger and Crash. Even though the Bulls won the series in the playoffs but Granger was tearing Luol Deng apart in that series.

[jbryan1984]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
Danny Granger
Gerald Wallace
Rudy Gay
Stephen Jackson
Andre Iguodala
Luol Deng

[NBAller]

lbj
durant ( because basketball is a 5on5 game, not 1on1 game ........produces more)
melo
rudy
pierce
gerald wallace
iggy
granger
marion
deng

[Da Heroic One]

I've watched damn every Bulls game in the last 2 years or so and i know for a fact that Deng isnt better than Danny Granger and Crash. Even though the Bulls won the series in the playoffs but Granger was tearing Luol Deng apart in that series.
Deng is better than Crash, maybe not Granger.

[jjayfive]

I didn't realize how deep the small forward position is..

[Jasi]

I don't care about stats.
But I think that Durant will be way more dominant than Melo throughout his career.
And I like Melo a lot (especially as a Knicks fan :D)... It's just two different leagues.

[dunksby]

Without reading the replies I can guess that probably the thread has turned into a Durant Vs Melo argument with Joyner in the center.

[CeltsGarlic]

I don't care about stats.
But I think that Durant will be way more dominant than Melo throughout his career.
And I like Melo a lot (especially as a Knicks fan :D)... It's just two different leagues.


Offtopic whose that guy in your avatar?

[Jasi]

Offtopic whose that guy in your avatar?

Janne Sibelius, a Finnish composer of the late classical period

yeah I know, it's a mess... an Italian guy writing on an American forum with the username of a Lithuanian player and the avy of a Finnish musician :D

[ThaSwagg3r]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Rudy Gay
6. Danny Granger
7. Stephen Jackson
8. Shawn Marion
9. Luol Deng
10. Gerald Wallace

-It gets messy after #7 for me.

-I don't blame people for having Rudy Gay so low on their lists. After all the Grizzlies did almost made it to the WCF without him.

-I would have no problem of one thinks either Durant or Melo are better than the other. Melo is the more talented one, but Durant is the much harder working one. If Durant isn't better than Melo now, then there is no question in my mind that Durant will be the better player next year or in the next couple.

I certainly prefer Melo's scoring over Durant's due to his post-up ability and his variety of moves. Durant is limited with his scoring moves. There really is no question in my mind that Durant will add moves in the upcoming future. I have confidence in him because he is one of the hardest workers I have ever heard and seen in the NBA. One of the few stars that does NOT take advantage of his stardom.

They are pretty much even in every other department except defense. I think Durant has the edge there.

Simply put, I prefer Melo's game, but I prefer Durant's personality and I would have no issue if one puts Melo above Durant or vice versa.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Andre Iguodala
6. Danny Granger
7. Rudy Gay
8. Luol Deng
9. Gerald Wallace
10. Shawn Marion.

Despite all the hate LeBron's getting, you can't deny that he's the best all around guy on this list.

[Bigsmoke]

Deng is better than Crash, maybe not Granger.

Wallace has a better overall game.

better defender, rebounder, finisher, ect.

hell.. what makes Deng better anyway? :confusedshrug: Deng is only better @ shooting the three ball.

[LosBulls]

1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Luol Deng
Perfect list.

[Da Heroic One]

Wallace has a better overall game.

better defender, rebounder, finisher, ect.

hell.. what makes Deng better anyway? :confusedshrug: Deng is only better @ shooting the three ball.
Deng is a better on-ball defender, scorer, and finisher. Wallace wasn't able to be that 2nd option for the Blazers to overcome the Mavericks. Using your logic though, shouldn't Wallace be ranked higher than Pierce?

[dunksby]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Andre Iguodala
6. Danny Granger
7. Rudy Gay
8. Luol Deng
9. Gerald Wallace
10. Shawn Marion.

Despite all the hate LeBron's getting, you can't deny that he's the best all around guy on this list.
+1

[KGMN]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger
6. Andre Iguodala
7. Gerald Wallace
8. Rudy Gay
9. Stephen Jackson
10. Derrick Williams

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger
6. Andre Iguodala
7. Gerald Wallace
8. Rudy Gay
9. Stephen Jackson
10. Derrick Williams


Damn Williams hasn't even played a game yet and you have him on your list....

For next season

1.Lebron James
2.Kevin Durant
3.Carmelo Anthony
4.Rudy Gay
5.Michael Beasley (mark my words..Beasley is gonna be on everyone's top 10 list next season)
6.Paul Pierce/Gerald Wallace
8.Andre Iguadala/Luol Deng

Btw Danny Granger is getting vastly overrated these days SMH

[28renyoy]

Without reading the replies I can guess that probably the thread has turned into a Durant Vs Melo argument with Joyner in the center.

Not really. It was basically 5 or 6 Knicks fans putting Melo ahead of Durant while everyone else on the forum lol'd

[KGMN]

Damn Williams hasn't even played a game yet and you have him on your list....

For next season

1.Lebron James
2.Kevin Durant
3.Carmelo Anthony
4.Rudy Gay
5.Michael Beasley (mark my words..Beasley is gonna be on everyone's top 10 list next season)
6.Paul Pierce/Gerald Wallace
8.Andre Iguadala/Luol Deng

Btw Danny Granger is getting vastly overrated these days SMH

You know I'm a Wolves fan and I want a Timberwolf on this list.

[chips93]

Deng is a better on-ball defender, scorer, and finisher. Wallace wasn't able to be that 2nd option for the Blazers to overcome the Mavericks. Using your logic though, shouldn't Wallace be ranked higher than Pierce?


same way deng wasnt able to step up as a second option in chicago's series against miami

[bdreason]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Pierce
5. Iggy
6. Granger
7. Gay
8. Wallace
9. Deng
10. S-Jax


What do I win?

[knicksman]

The Knick/Melo homers are out of control


Durant has more accolades, better career stats, better single season stats, better playoff stats, better career playoff stats, better playoff record, yet they still rank Melo ahead. What a joke.

because of the 11-1 record. melo is a winner while durant? i dont know

[DRose1899]

I laugh my ass of to people that put Granger over Rudy in their list. Rly?

[sh0wtime]

1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger

[28renyoy]

The real top 10 is

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Carmelo
4. Pierce
5. Gay
6. Granger
7. Wallace
8. Deng
9. Prince
10. Chandler

[Jasi]

The real top 10 is

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Carmelo
4. Pierce
5. Gay
6. Granger
7. Wallace
8. Deng
9. Prince
10. Chandler

:oldlol:

[28renyoy]

:oldlol:

I don't consider Gallo a SF and he's better than Marion

[tpols]

Anyone who has Melo over Durant is a moron. Melo handles the ball 10x more than Durant and has no more assists/playmaking to show for it plus he scores at a less efficient rate. The definition of an offense killer.

[Jasi]

I don't consider Gallo a SF and he's better than Marion

What do you consider Gallo then?

Wilson is a slightly above average player, far from a top 10.
Let alone Marion and Gallo (and Iggy, whom I consider a SF)... S-Jax, Beasley, Turkoglu, Ariza off the top of my head are better SFs than Chandler.

[28renyoy]

What do you consider Gallo then?

Wilson is a slightly above average player, far from a top 10.
Let alone Marion and Gallo (and Iggy, whom I consider a SF)... S-Jax, Beasley, Turkoglu, Ariza off the top of my head are better SFs than Chandler.

Gallo is a PF. Iguodala is a SG

Beasley, Turkoglu, Stephen Jackson, and Ariza are not better than Chandler.

[Jasi]

Gallo is a PF. Iguodala is a SG

Beasley, Turkoglu, Stephen Jackson, and Ariza are not better than Chandler.

I wonder if you ever watched Gallo play...

as for the rest, to each his own

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Gallo is a PF. Iguodala is a SG

Beasley, Turkoglu, Stephen Jackson, and Ariza are not better than Chandler.
:lol :lol :lol

[Jasi]

Gallo is a PF.

A PF that makes these plays?

Crossover on LeBron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnO6pIb27H8)

Coast-to-coast with crossover and dunk on the Mavs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0idVvdt3ZU&feature=related)

Same, on the Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2GubAdifTg&feature=related)

Attacks Lakers defense and dishes out the layup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvFCPOuv6wk&feature=related)

[28renyoy]

A PF that makes these plays?

Crossover on LeBron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnO6pIb27H8)

Coast-to-coast with crossover and dunk on the Mavs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0idVvdt3ZU&feature=related)

Same, on the Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2GubAdifTg&feature=related)

Attacks Lakers defense and dishes out the layup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvFCPOuv6wk&feature=related)

Blake Griffin makes all of those plays and he is a PF

[Jasi]

Blake Griffin makes all of those plays and he is a PF

I'd like to see them... Bear in mind that all those plays were with set defenses.

[28renyoy]

I'd like to see them... Bear in mind that all those plays were with set defenses.

I'm not looking through youtube highlights, ask Clippersfan86 he's the biggest Griffin stan on this board.

[Ronin]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Anthony
4. Pierce
5. Iguodala

[asu77golf]

I knew Melo would get over rated as soon as he became a Knick but this is just ridiculous.

[Dave3]

I'd like to see them... Bear in mind that all those plays were with set defenses.
Watched pretty much every Clippers game. Griffin doesn't make those types of plays. He'll have the occasional fast break cross over, but never like that on set defences.

[Bigsmoke]

I knew Melo would get over rated as soon as he became a Knick but this is just ridiculous.

Melo has been the 2nd or 3rd best SF for 7 years now.:confusedshrug:

[Stuckey]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Anthony
4. Pierce
5. Iguodala

iguodala is a great defensive player, but not top 5 material

i'd be granger ahead of him

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

iguodala is a great defensive player, but not top 5 material

i'd be granger ahead of him

Rudy Gay is easily and has been better than him for 2 years now.

Michael Beasley is as good as Danny Granger

[Bigsmoke]

Michael Beasley is as good as Danny Granger

not yet at least. Granger is better than Beasley at pretty much everything. :confusedshrug:

[kaiiu]

Ill take Beasley over Granger to. Granger is a good shooter who can barely create his own shot. One trick pony. Beasley is a complete offensive player who is good at everything but not great at alot besides Mid range shooting

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

not yet at least. Granger is better than Beasley at pretty much everything. :confusedshrug:

Nope not scoring, and they're both equal at playmaking.

Beasley is a better scorer (more versatile, clutch,etc)
Both equal in playmaking
Danny is a better defender

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Ill take Beasley over Granger to. Granger is a good shooter who can barely create his own shot. One trick pony. Beasley is a complete offensive player who is good at everything but not great at alot besides Mid range shooting

This too

[asu77golf]

Melo has been the 2nd or 3rd best SF for 7 years now.:confusedshrug:

He's been second to Lebron, but IMO it is clear that Durant has surpassed him.

Lebron/Durant
Durant/Lebron
Melo

That's how I see it.

[SESSEL15]

I hate LeBron James to death.

But that doesn't matter, he IS the best small forward plain and simply. People take off the bias glasses.

LeBron
Durant
Melo
Pierce
Gay

Bye..

[Sheed]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Trevor Booker

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Tell me one thing besides 3 point shooting that Durant can do better than Melo.

Melo = better ball handling, better rebounder, better mid range shooter, better post game, etc.

[Clutch]

Tell me one thing besides 3 point shooting that Durant can do better than Melo.

Melo = better ball handling, better rebounder, better mid range shooter, better post game, etc.
It's actually funny but Melo had a better 3-pt % last season than Durant :lol

Especially in New York,he was draining threes like crazy.I'm pretty sure it was over 40% while playing in NY.

By the way,stats per 36 minutes:

Melo: 25.8 PPG , 7.4 RPG , 2.9 APG 46/38/84 %
Durant: 25.6 PPG , 6.3 RPG , 2.5 APG 46/35/88 %

[NewYorkNoPicks]

It's actually funny but Melo had a better 3-pt % last season than Durant :lol

Especially in New York,he was draining threes like crazy.I'm pretty sure it was over 40% while playing in NY.

By the way,stats per 36 minutes:

Melo: 25.8 PPG , 7.4 RPG , 2.9 APG 46/38/84 %
Durant: 25.6 PPG , 6.3 RPG , 2.5 APG 46/35/88 %

yupp..exactly.

so glad we got Melo man....best player we've had in years. It's really enjoyable to watch the guy play.

[LA_Showtime]

LeBron

Durant






Melo

[ChandlerParsons]

Bron
Melo
Durant
Others

[Geezer]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Pierce
5. Iggy
6. Granger
7. Gay
8. Wallace
9. Deng
10. S-Jax


What do I win?

This, not debatable, mods lock this thread down now plz.

[Basketman]

LeBron
Durant
Melo
Rudy Gay
Paul Pierce

[Ikill]

this should be renamed to Durant vs Melo thats the only thing to talk about

[28renyoy]

this should be renamed
LeBron
Durant
Melo

because that's the only logical top 3 in order

agreed

[Lebron23]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Rudy Gay
5. Paul Pierce

[Scoooter]

Blake Griffin makes all of those plays and he is a PF
Blake Griffin is athletic enough to play just about any position, but he can't shoot. He can't even make freethrows.

Gallinari's a small forward. You can play him as a power forward, but that better be plan B.

Or, if Gallo's a PF, then so is Durant. And that doesn't work either.

[bluechox2]

melo

[crazy520]

Gerald Wallace must acquire in there as opposed to Deng...



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[knicksman]

I'm done arguing with homers. 90% of unbiased posters at realgm, which is 10X the size of insidehoops, believe Durant is clearly superior to Anthony.

Stats back it up. Majority opinion backs it up. What else is there?

do you realize idiot that there are more idiots in the world than geniuses so it follows that only few geniuses will realize that melo is better than durant. geniuses analyze their games while idiots only look at stats coz they dont know how to analyze. if your an idiot, youll say lebron is better than kobe because of stats but its clear that kobe has the rings to back it up.

[Clutch]

do you realize idiot that there are more idiots in the world than geniuses so it follows that only few geniuses will realize that melo is better than durant. geniuses analyze their games while idiots only look at stats coz they dont know how to analyze. if your an idiot, youll say lebron is better than kobe because of stats but its clear that kobe has the rings to back it up.
What's actually the worst is the fact that Durant doesn't even have better stats

Carmelo Anthony per 36 minutes:
25.8 PPG , 7.4 RPG , 2.9 APG .455 / .378 / .838

Kevin Durant per 36 minutes:
25.6 PPG , 6.3 RPG , 2.5 APG .462 / .350 / .880

If joyner wants to have stats battle then if we just look at stats Melo is a better rebounder,passer and 3-pt shooter while Durant is only better at shooting free-throws.
Unless you see his 0.7 % better field goal percentage as advantage :oldlol:

If you want to base your opinion on games you watched then Melo is better.
Much more versatile scorer,better rebounder,best game-winning shot maker since he entered the league...
Only advantage that Durant has is defense and I think that's arguable.

Tell me one reason why Durant is better than Melo and spare me TS % crap or similar things.

[pauk]

that seems about right....

[ChuckOakley]

1. LBJ
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Granger
5. Gay
6. Iggy
7. Pierce
8. Wallace
9. Deng
10. S.Jackson

HM
Gallinari - due for a big season in this contract year.

[TrueAristotle]

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Rudy Gay
6. Danny Granger
7. Stephen Jackson
8. Andre Iguodala
9. Shawn Marion
10. Luol Deng

[bbms]

What's actually the worst is the fact that Durant doesn't even have better stats

Carmelo Anthony per 36 minutes:
25.8 PPG , 7.4 RPG , 2.9 APG .455 / .378 / .838

Kevin Durant per 36 minutes:
25.6 PPG , 6.3 RPG , 2.5 APG .462 / .350 / .880

If joyner wants to have stats battle then if we just look at stats Melo is a better rebounder,passer and 3-pt shooter while Durant is only better at shooting free-throws.
Unless you see his 0.7 % better field goal percentage as advantage :oldlol:

If you want to base your opinion on games you watched then Melo is better.
Much more versatile scorer,better rebounder,best game-winning shot maker since he entered the league...
Only advantage that Durant has is defense and I think that's arguable.

Tell me one reason why Durant is better than Melo and spare me TS % crap or similar things.
Lol.

Knicks WISH Carmelo Anthony could play more than 38 mpg. but... What if Kevin Durant shoot as much as Carmelo? He would score more. Kevin Durant is not even a good exemple of shot selection, and he is WAY MORE EFFICIENT than Melo. TS% and eFG% back up that, and also, FG% is not a very good metric since the three-point line was invented. If we compare Carmelo and Durant in scoring, Durant is much better, because he scores the same amount, being a much more efficient player. Comparing Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant as scorers, is like comparing Iverson and Kobe as scorers, like comparing DeMarcus Cousins and Nene as scorers.

Carmelo Anthony is a ball stopper. Every possession he has, he takes, dribble and isolate. He has a polished isolation game, but he does not come off screes and does not play good basketball off the ball. Kevin Durant is a much more balanced scorer also. His isolation game is not as good as Carmelo, but he is efficient playing that possession, and he uses the isolation much more often than Carmelo plays off the ball. So Kevin Durant is not more efficient as score, but he is more versatile when scoring. You know Carmelo will isolate to score his next bucket. But you don't know if Kevin Durant will isolate, will come off a screen, will cut, will pick and pop, will alley oop...

Also, Kevin Durant puts much more effort at defensive end, and has much more lenght that allow him to guard multiple positions, also, he has potential o be a much better defender than he is now, he just need to keep working that aspect of his game. He already is a decent defender,

Kevin Durant this year's playoffs was better than any playoffs version of Carmelo Anthony.

[LoneyROY7]

1. LeBron
2. 'Melo
3. Durant
4. Pierce
5. Gay
6. Granger
7. Igoudala
8. Deng
9. Wallace
10. Marion

[TheCorporation]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmello Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. ?? Gay? Granger? Iggy? Deng? Marion? Wallace?

[TheCorporation]

The top 3 in order are clearly

James
Durant
Anthony


anyone with any other order than that is a homer/hater, including those ranking Durant ahead of LeBron
Agreed

[RRR3]

josh smith
Power forward.

[pete's montreux]

It becomes a complete crap-shoot after Durant, LeBron, Melo, Pierce. These guys are pretty much the consensus top four.

[RRR3]

It becomes a complete crap-shoot after Durant, LeBron, Melo, Pierce. These guys are pretty much the consensus top four.
:wtf: I hope that wasn't in order...

[GOBB]

Gallo is a PF. Iguodala is a SG

Beasley, Turkoglu, Stephen Jackson, and Ariza are not better than Chandler.

Iguodala is a SF genius. You dont watch much bball I see. :facepalm

[knicksman]

the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player.

[RRR3]

the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player.

When someone thinks Melo is better than Durant, I begin to worry about them. When they think Melo is better than LeBron, I realize that they either a troll or just plain retarded.

[ballerz]

the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player.
Didn't melo team up with amare? amare is not exactly scrub

[knicksman]

When someone thinks Melo is better than Durant, I begin to worry about them. When they think Melo is better than LeBron, I realize that they either a troll or just plain retarded.

better for me is based on impact and not stats. stats are for kids or idiots like you. melo has better impact than lebron. and thats the reason why melo is 11-4 against lebron because of impact.

[knicksman]

Didn't melo team up with amare? amare is not exactly scrub

he was forced to team up coz he wants to compete. i doubt melo is joining new york if lebron never did it first.

[RRR3]

better for me is based on impact and not stats. stats are for kids or idiots like you. melo has better impact than lebron. and thats the reason why melo is 11-4 against lebron because of impact.

It's a team game you moron. You have to admit that LeBron>>>>>Kobe then, because LeBron is 10-5 against Kobe.

[ballerz]

he was forced to team up coz he wants to compete. i doubt melo is joining new york if lebron never did it first.
He wasn't forced to join up with STAT. Before the trade deadline amare had made new york relevant again and melo demanded a trade there.

[knicksman]

He wasn't forced to join up with STAT. Before the trade deadline amare had made new york relevant again and melo demanded a trade there.

it was also a factor but knicks was already his no. 1 destination even during before the start of the season. he wants to play in new york coz hes from there and he won in college at that place.

[knicksman]

It's a team game you moron. You have to admit that LeBron>>>>>Kobe then, because LeBron is 10-5 against Kobe.




kobe has rings idiot. this is a comparison between players who have no rings. its a team game but its hard for players to be happy playing around a statpadder thats why lebron hasnt produced an all star in cleveland except for mo williams. who was chosen btw as a replacement and not because of stats but because they have the best record. he stayed in cleveland for 7 yrs and cant produce any.

shaq, dirk, duncan produced multiple all stars thats why their teams became contenders in just their 2nd yr or 3rd yrs. while lebron made all stars like sczerbiak, hughes, jamison, ilgauskas, wallace scrubs. players also wants to have good stats so they can get good contracts but if theyre playing with lebron, they cant get those stats so they are unhappy. if theyre unhappy, they are unwilling to work with lebron.

its the same with Oscar Robertson(aka the greatest statpadder of all time) he has good stats but players are unhappy playing with them. thats why hes the only top 10 with no rings as the man. compared to russell who played according to his role. he prefers team play and camaraderie thats why he won 11 rings. players are happy playing with him because he doesnt compete for stats. so dont give me that sht that its a team game coz its lebron who doesnt want to play team game idiot.

melos team was always considered talented. is it really talented or its because melo is a team player who doesnt compete with his teammates roles?

as jordan and shaq said, "the day i stopped worrying about stats is the day I started winning"

its the day when pippen and kobe became great players. jordan stats before that season, 30 8rpg 8apg. lebron like but no rings and thats the path of lebron too if he doesnt change.

[Thescore53]

can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.

[RRR3]

can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.

LeBron gets worse every day in some people's minds, apparently. Next they'll be saying Hedo Turkoglu>LeBron.

[knicksman]

can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.

its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres so many idiots in this board.

[RRR3]

its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres so many idiots in this board.
Like...you?

[Thescore53]

its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres so many idiots in this board.

i honestly don't care what you think of lebron im not a heat fan its just funny how some people are saying melo is better dude isn't even the second best sf in the nba, i agree pierce is definitely underrated i feel like he's better than melo sometimes.

you can't even use the winning card for melo because he's a perennial first round flop except for one season.

[knicksman]

i honestly don't care what you think of lebron im not a heat fan its just funny how some people are saying melo is better dude isn't even the second best sf in the nba, i agree pierce is definitely underrated i feel like he's better than melo sometimes.

you can't even use the winning card for melo because he's a perennial first round flop except for one season.

if lebron is really that much better then how come melo is 11-4 against lebron. and of course idiots like you would say he was a perennial first round exit because you dont have the analytic skills to determine how lebron would fare if he was on the west. im a genius so i know he would also be a first round exit and would even missed the playoffs in some of those seasons. Tmac is even worse than melo yet hes considered a top 3 player.LOL if you really have all around stats, you really are overrated by idiots here. just like garnett who was a perennial first round exit too but a top 3 player coz of stats. and worse is that hes a big man while melo is a perimeter player yet they have almost the same impact when he was with minnesota.

[Thescore53]

its not that lebron is soooo good its just melo isn't that good he's definitely overrated funny some people consider the guy a superstar, he's lazy, defense is non existent durant is already better than him. and lol @ you using meaningless regular season games. i never said anything about stats dont know why you keep bringing that up.

[Thescore53]

kobe has rings idiot. this is a comparison between players who have no rings. its a team game but its hard for players to be happy playing around a statpadder thats why lebron hasnt produced an all star in cleveland except for mo williams. who was chosen btw as a replacement and not because of stats but because they have the best record. he stayed in cleveland for 7 yrs and cant produce any.

shaq, dirk, duncan produced multiple all stars thats why their teams became contenders in just their 2nd yr or 3rd yrs. while lebron made all stars like sczerbiak, hughes, jamison, ilgauskas, wallace scrubs. players also wants to have good stats so they can get good contracts but if theyre playing with lebron, they cant get those stats so they are unhappy. if theyre unhappy, they are unwilling to work with lebron.

its the same with Oscar Robertson(aka the greatest statpadder of all time) he has good stats but players are unhappy playing with them. thats why hes the only top 10 with no rings as the man. compared to russell who played according to his role. he prefers team play and camaraderie thats why he won 11 rings. players are happy playing with him because he doesnt compete for stats. so dont give me that sht that its a team game coz its lebron who doesnt want to play team game idiot.

melos team was always considered talented. is it really talented or its because melo is a team player who doesnt compete with his teammates roles?

as jordan and shaq said, "the day i stopped worrying about stats is the day I started winning"

its the day when pippen and kobe became great players. jordan stats before that season, 30 8rpg 8apg. lebron like but no rings and thats the path of lebron too if he doesnt change.

lebron is a player that is considered to make those around him better melo not so much some even call him a black hole.

[knicksman]

lebron is a player that is considered to make those around him better melo not so much some even call him a black hole.

LOL at lebron making his teammates better. how many all stars he produced? 1 and was only selected as a replacement and only because cleveland having the best record but only 1 all star. how many all stars that became scrubs playing along lebron. maybe 4 while melo made iverson and billups preserved their star status and when iverson got traded to detroit, he became a scrub.

and whats really the definition of making your teammates better. teaching your teammates how to play the game or let them stand in the corner or wait for the pass from lebron. LOL no one wants to play like that. like standing in the corner and waits for a pass. every player wants to have a role. it maybe rebounder, defender, passer, etc. but if you have a selfish player like lebron who wants to take all the roles then its hard for other players to be happy playing with him.

its the same with oscar robertson, he passes but if hes really unselfish then players should be wanting to play with him but the opposite is true. thats why he was unsuccessful with those stats of his. but of course idiots think he makes his teammates better and is unselfish because of the assists. LOL

selfish players wants to score more than 30 but because they will be called selfish if they score more, then they convert those points over 30 into assists so they still have stats although not in points anymore. and the idiots are fooled that these guys arent selfish because they are assisting.LOL

lebron passes so people thinks hes unselfish but hes personality shows the opposite. so dont give me that sht that hes unselfish coz he wont be the most hated right now due to his SELFISH acts.

[knicksman]

its not that lebron is soooo good its just melo isn't that good he's definitely overrated funny some people consider the guy a superstar, he's lazy, defense is non existent durant is already better than him. and lol @ you using meaningless regular season games. i never said anything about stats dont know why you keep bringing that up.

its because if you are a genius and have analytical skills, you would realize that scoring is the most difficult aspect of this game. so it means that it requires the highest amount of IQ. and if you are a genius, you would rank players not based on stats but based on IQ. if melo, dirk, pierce, kobe are the best scorers in this league then that means that these guys have the highest IQ and its the reason why they won the last 4 chips. players like lebron, who have lower IQ than these guys because he is not among the best scorers, need to statpad to fool the fans that hes one of the high IQs/best players in the league. while pierce just didnt care about defense and rankings by idiots until he had the help on his team. and now if lebron is really that good, then how come he cant win with superior players than pierce?

its really just like math. math requires the highest amount of IQ. if youre dumb in math then in order to fool other people that you have a high IQ, you focus on getting good grades on easier subjects or the statpadding in basketball. Defense, passing, rebounding requires lesser IQ than scoring so if melo wants to pass, rebound, defend, he can easily do it coz hes IQ is more than enough to do those things.

only idiots thinks durant is better than melo. LOL dirk pierce, and kobe are the best iso scorers and so is melo and they won the chip so until durant becomes a good iso scorer then theres still no comparison. iso scoring>>>>>>>off the ball.

[Thescore53]

wait you think durant can't score of iso situations? he's wasn't back to back scoring champ for nothing he scores better and more efficently than the chuck artist know as carmelo.

scoring=high iq? i guess monta ellis has one of the highest basketball iq's

lebron isn't among the best scorers? thats why he scores more points than your boy melo and does it much much more efficiently? mello is the one doing the stat padding loook at his scoring efficiency dude is a stright chucker. matter of fact he's just a taller monta ellis.

[EricGordon23]

Lebron
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[knicksman]

wait you think durant can't score of iso situations? he's wasn't back to back scoring champ for nothing he scores better and more efficently than the chuck artist know as carmelo.

scoring=high iq? i guess monta ellis has one of the highest basketball iq's

lebron isn't among the best scorers? thats why he scores more points than your boy melo and does it much much more efficiently? mello is the one doing the stat padding loook at his scoring efficiency dude is a stright chucker. matter of fact he's just a taller monta ellis.

a statpadder genius is the one who wants to have good stats rather than a player who attempts difficult shots just to have his team having a chance to win. difficult shots means lower efficiency but at least your team has a chance to win. dirk did it in the finals while lebron didnt to protect his stats. he rather statpad by getting a triple double and doesnt attempt to shoot so hes efficiency wont go down. while dirk never cared about stats or efficiency and continued to shoot so his team can win. LOL youre an idiot to the highest level man. the finals have shown who is the statpadder and still you think lebron is not a statpadder. hahaha what an idiot you are. go back to school and ask your teacher how to increase your IQ. its the reason why kobe won multiple chips while being inefficient while your boy lebron didnt. and second melo had more wins than your boy lebron, its just that melo have played in the west so it looks like lebron had more but only for idiots who dont have analytic skills like you.

and monta is like lebron who is a statpadder where players doesnt want to play with him. he wants to playmake and at the same time score. thats why he had never been successful.

and of course youre an idiot if you think making those tough shots isnt important. when time comes that you are facing great defenses, you will be rendered useless like lebron if youre not capable of making those tough shots while kobe and dirk can still score because they are capable of making those tough shots. thats why melo right now is better than durant because melo is up there with kobe and dirk of being capable of making those tough shots idiot.

[Thescore53]

when the knicks got melo i said to myself watch knick fans try to overate him like bulls fans do derrick rose, atleast rose is a superstar while melo isn't even top ten. this guy only plays one side of the floor. i don't care what you say about lebron and no he isn't my boy and i know he's overrated choke artist, keep homering it up, one thing i will never allow myself to become as a sports fan is a homer.

lets just watch knicks this year and if your boy is as good as you say he is he should have no problem having his team be a top 3 team and reach the conf. finals.

and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.

[LBJ 23]

and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.

You probably didn't watch a lot of 2010 Cavs did you?

[knicksman]

when the knicks got melo i said to myself watch knick fans try to overate him like bulls fans do derrick rose, atleast rose is a superstar while melo isn't even top ten. this guy only plays one side of the floor. i don't care what you say about lebron and no he isn't my boy and i know he's overrated choke artist, keep homering it up, one thing i will never allow myself to become as a sports fan is a homer.

lets just watch knicks this year and if your boy is as good as you say he is he should have no problem having his team be a top 3 team and reach the conf. finals.

and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.

LOL amare and melo are both better than rose. rose is another iverson. pure stats but less impact. hes in the same mold as lebron, iverson, francis, marbury. statpadders who reduces the effectiveness of teammates. but of course you think iverson is better than melo and amare coz you like flash/highlights and stats same with carter.

[Thescore53]

loooolll! you're such a homer, you actually think amare is better than both iverson and rose, melo and amare are probably top 5 players to you whats next billups is the best pg in the nba.

[knicksman]

loooolll! you're such a homer, you actually think amare is better than both iverson and rose, melo and amare are probably top 5 players to you whats next billups is the best pg in the nba.

if iverson really is better then how come his only success is when he made it to the finals and other than that, what has he done. This game is still about 1 on 1 even if there are 10 players on the court. And Amare can beat rose and iverson in a 1 on 1 game. Thats the reason why score first pgs cant win in this league because they are the easiest to stop while big men are the hardest to stop.

I believe that unstoppability is the most important factor in judging who is the best and not stats or the players who will win in a 1 on 1 game. Thats why dirk beats 2 statpadders even if he doesnt rebound, pass, defend because he is the most unstoppable in the league. And thats the reason why i rank melo the best sf because of unstoppability factor and amare is really the same as dirk when it comes to unstoppability.

Youre pretending amare is like chris bosh who only made it to the playoffs twice before joining miami. This is a guy that made phoenix contenders in his stay there whereas iverson only has made his team contender once. And as for rose, can he maintain it? Until his team regularly wins 50+ then thats the time you compare him to Amare. All I know is that this bulls team is almost the same as those sixers team that regressed after they went to the finals.

[RRR3]

if iverson really is better then how come his only success is when he made it to the finals and other than that, what has he done. This game is still about 1 on 1 even if there are 10 players on the court. And Amare can beat rose and iverson in a 1 on 1 game. Thats the reason why score first pgs cant win in this league because they are the easiest to stop while big men are the hardest to stop.

I believe that unstoppability is the most important factor in judging who is the best and not stats or the players who will win in a 1 on 1 game. Thats why dirk beats 2 statpadders even if he doesnt rebound, pass, defend because he is the most unstoppable in the league. And thats the reason why i rank melo the best sf because of unstoppability factor and amare is really the same as dirk when it comes to unstoppability.

Youre pretending amare is like chris bosh who only made it to the playoffs twice before joining miami. This is a guy that made phoenix contenders in his stay there whereas iverson only has made his team contender once. And as for rose, can he maintain it? Until his team regularly wins 50+ then thats the time you compare him to Amare. All I know is that this bulls team is almost the same as those sixers team that regressed after they went to the finals.

Your posts basically all follow this pattern:
WAHHHH!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: WeBwon is bedda den Mewo! WAHHHH!!:cry: I'm so butthurt I'm going to say Mewo is bedda even doe it not twoo! duh-uh!

[knicksman]

Your posts basically all follow this pattern:
WAHHHH!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: WeBwon is bedda den Mewo! WAHHHH!!:cry: I'm so butthurt I'm going to say Mewo is bedda even doe it not twoo! duh-uh!

until lebron can beat melo 1 on 1, im not butthurt. Im not a kid anymore who thinks stats is all that matters. When I was a kid, I thought oscar robertson was great until I found out that he has no rings as the man:oldlol: . So until lebron wins a ring, hes another oscar for me. Not a threat.

[RRR3]

until lebron can beat melo 1 on 1, im not butthurt. Im not a kid anymore who thinks stats is all that matters. When I was a kid, I thought oscar robertson was great until I found out that he has no rings as the man:oldlol: . So until lebron wins a ring, hes another oscar for me. Not a threat.
At least lbj has gotten close. What has melo done? Lol

[knicksman]

At least lbj has gotten close. What has melo done? Lol

close because hes playing in a weak eastern conference?:oldlol: or he teamed up with 2 top players? lebron homers are cheap. they have low pride. But of course its expected. Low IQ= Low pride. Im sure theyre willing to work as housemaids coz thats all their IQ can do.

[RRR3]

close because hes playing in a weak eastern conference?:oldlol: or he teamed up with 2 top players? lebron homers are cheap. they have low pride. But of course its expected. Low IQ= Low pride. Im sure theyre willing to work as housemaids coz thats all their IQ can do.
Wow. You're a terrible troll. Why couldn't Melo win a single game in the "weak" eastern conference against a team LeBron embarassed?:roll: :roll:

[Thescore53]

Wow. You're a terrible troll. Why couldn't Melo win a single game in the "weak" eastern conference against a team LeBron embarassed?:roll: :roll:

inb4hemakesexcusesformelo.

lebron has taken over series like the one vs the pistons,has mello ever done that. this idiot thinks who ever is the better 1 0n 1 ofensive player means is the better overall player what kind of middle school playground logic is that.

there is nothing dominant about melo he can score 46 points and his team willl still lose. both durant and bron are more dominant scorers reason why when they score a lot they usually win.

you keep talking about weak east conf. lol i wish bron had nene.k mart,billups,or even anyone close to jr.smith talent level his best players were mo williams and larry hugues he went to the finals with ira newble coming off the bench.

CARMELO is OVERATED ball hog,blackhole. he plays no defense and he's all flash thats why he needs homer knick fans making excuses for him.

amare is the pf version of melo except slightly better, high octane scorer who plays zero defense atleast amare is a efficient scorer melo is just a chucker who despite his body isnt always willing to drive to the basket

im very curious who your top ten players in the nba are today.

[RRR3]

inb4hemakesexcusesformelo.

lebron has taken over series like the one vs the pistons,has mello ever done that. this idiot thinks who ever is the better 1 0n 1 ofensive player means is the better overall player what kind of middle school playground logic is that.

there is nothing dominant about melo he can score 46 points and his team willl still lose. both durant and bron are more dominant scorers reason why when they score a lot they usually win.

you keep talking about weak east conf. lol i wish bron had nene.k mart,billups,or even anyone close to jr.smith talent level his best players were mo williams and larry hugues he went to the finals with ira newble coming off the bench.

CARMELO is OVERATED ball hog,blackhole. he plays no defense and he's all flash thats why he needs homer knick fans making excuses for him.

amare is the pf version of melo except slightly better, high octane scorer who plays zero defense atleast amare is a efficient scorer melo is just a chucker who despite his body isnt always willing to drive to the basket

im very curious who your top ten players in the nba are today.

Probably:
1. Melo
2. STAT
3. Monta Ellis
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Durant
6. JR Smith
7. Westbrook
8. Derrick Rose
9. Jamal Crawford
10. Kevin Martin

[Clutch]

Probably:
1. Melo
2. STAT
3. Chauncey Billups
4. Landry Fields
5. Toney Douglas
6. Ronny Turiaf
7. Shawne Williams
8. Bill Walker
9. Anthony Carter
10. Roger Mason
Fixed

[LBJDWADE63]

close because hes playing in a weak eastern conference?:oldlol: or he teamed up with 2 top players? lebron homers are cheap. they have low pride. But of course its expected. Low IQ= Low pride. Im sure theyre willing to work as housemaids coz thats all their IQ can do.

You are just a ****ing idiot:lol :lol :lol ****ing troll

[RRR3]

Fixed
LOL I was just including guys who took the most shots, since he seems to think that makes you great.

[knicksman]

Wow. You're a terrible troll. Why couldn't Melo win a single game in the "weak" eastern conference against a team LeBron embarassed?:roll: :roll:

Wow exposing your weak reading comprehension. :oldlol: as expected from a low IQ. I didnt mean it to be this year but the year he got swept by san antonio. and oh btw lebron got embarrassed too by that same team with better players surrounding him than melo thats why he joined wade. Thats why Lebron is cheap and low pride. Thats why fans who support him reflect the same personality. Its also the reason why I dont think lebron is better than melo because of that pride. Jordan, bird, kobe all have it while lebron doesnt. Low pride=low confidence=no killer instinct/uncompetitive=low IQ.

[Simple Jack]

Wow exposing your weak reading comprehension. :oldlol: as expected from a low IQ. I didnt mean it to be this year but the year he got swept by san antonio. and oh btw lebron got embarrassed too by that same team with better players surrounding him than melo thats why he joined wade. Thats why Lebron is cheap and low pride. Thats why fans who support him reflect the same personality. Its also the reason why I dont think lebron is better than melo because of that pride. Jordan, bird, kobe all have it while lebron doesnt. Low pride=low confidence=no killer instinct/uncompetitive=low IQ.

Judging from the trolls on ISH, you would think LeBron is some bum who's mediocre at best. It's amazing such an embarrassment of a player is still one of the best who's ever played the game. Melo isn't in the same league as LeBron, as much as I like him.

[knicksman]

inb4hemakesexcusesformelo.

lebron has taken over series like the one vs the pistons,has mello ever done that. this idiot thinks who ever is the better 1 0n 1 ofensive player means is the better overall player what kind of middle school playground logic is that.

there is nothing dominant about melo he can score 46 points and his team willl still lose. both durant and bron are more dominant scorers reason why when they score a lot they usually win.

you keep talking about weak east conf. lol i wish bron had nene.k mart,billups,or even anyone close to jr.smith talent level his best players were mo williams and larry hugues he went to the finals with ira newble coming off the bench.

CARMELO is OVERATED ball hog,blackhole. he plays no defense and he's all flash thats why he needs homer knick fans making excuses for him.

amare is the pf version of melo except slightly better, high octane scorer who plays zero defense atleast amare is a efficient scorer melo is just a chucker who despite his body isnt always willing to drive to the basket

im very curious who your top ten players in the nba are today.

Who cares about a weak pistons team. at the end of the day, his team got swept in the finals and that shows how weak is the competition he is in. if lebron is really that good, how come he always lose on a weaker team(orlando, boston, dallas). sorry but that shows lebron is overrated. while melo didnt lose except utah but that team is already struggling going into the playoffs once they lost karl and their frontcourt getting injured always.

and lol at overrating melos teammates. As I said, its hard to have good stats around a statpadder thats why you think lebron doesnt have good teammates but in fact he just made former all stars that joined lebron's team become scrubs. But of course you have no idea about this because of your poor analytical skills.

I like carmelo not playing defense because that shows how huge hes pride is. Its like a CEO forcing to work as a janitor. All CEOs can be janitors but they worked and studied hard so they wont end up as a janitor. All players knows how to play defense because its the first one that they learn when playing this game. But once they become the best offensive players then it becomes an insult to them when you forced them to play defense. Its for players with no talent or beginners. melo and amare already achieved the highest level so why would they play defense which is for low level. defense doesnt require that much skill, but more about effort so LOL at overrating defense like its harder to play defense than offense. Only idiots think that way or players who have no pride or thinks low of themselves that they are willing to do the dirty work just to have a job in the nba. Its the same with CEOs, its an insult to them to work as a janitor. Let the janitors work for it so they can have an income. Or let those no talent players play the dirty work so they could get huge contracts too(see chandler). melo is already paid max without even playing defense.

And heres my top 10 based on who wins in a 1 on 1 game.

1. amare- the same as dirk, maybe he would have won if he stayed with phoenix
2. dirk-champion
3. howard-he improved his offense but lost in the first round
4. aldridge-won 2 games against dallas the same with miami but having lesser teammates
5. melo-best 1 on 1 player among the perimeter players. Wouldnt have the confidence to jack the highest attempt if he didnt beat his peers in a 1 on 1 setting.
6. durant-great shooter but hes still not good at creating his own shot
7. kobe-would have been the best among the perimeter players but hes old right now
8. lebron-great stats but not among the best in a 1 on 1 situation. Thats why he got stopped by a zone d(LOL). hes like a big man in a small forwards body opposite of dirk who is a perimeter player in big mans body(unstoppable).

9. wade-same with lebron
10. cp3-pgs are the most overrated position. they havent won since isiah yet they are rated higher than big men because they are "unselfish".

[Thescore53]

Wow exposing your weak reading comprehension. :oldlol: as expected from a low IQ. I didnt mean it to be this year but the year he got swept by san antonio. and oh btw lebron got embarrassed too by that same team with better players surrounding him than melo thats why he joined wade. Thats why Lebron is cheap and low pride. Thats why fans who support him reflect the same personality. Its also the reason why I dont think lebron is better than melo because of that pride. Jordan, bird, kobe all have it while lebron doesnt. Low pride=low confidence=no killer instinct/uncompetitive=low IQ.

lol and melo has it? same guy who doesn't play any defense no pride how the hell do you let guys consistently score on you? and also the same guy who slapped mardy collins and started back peddling like a bitatch. dude isn't a top ten player nor is he even the best player on his team why do you think no one considers the knicks a legit champions contender? the denver nuggets got better as soon as that bum left, that team is actually better than the knicks.

[Thescore53]

I like carmelo not playing defense because that shows how huge hes pride is. .

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[knicksman]

lol and melo has it? same guy who doesn't play any defense no pride how the hell do you let guys consistently score on you? and also the same guy who slapped mardy collins and started back peddling like a bitatch. dude isn't a top ten player nor is he even the best player on his team why do you think no one considers the knicks a legit champions contender? the denver nuggets got better as soon as that bum left, that team is actually better than the knicks.


hahahahahhaha only idiots think that denver has performed better when they only won 1 game in the playoffs compared to a team that went to the conference finals. Worse is that memphis, an inferior team has almost won the series against oklahoma. idiots really are laughable. :oldlol:

at least he was involved in a fight while i havent seen any fights involving lebron. That shows how mentally weak he is. kobe, jordan, bird are all badasses in court just like melo while lebron is still a boy.

Theres no more insulting for a player than not being guarded and still get beaten. Thats my boy melo, the baddest in court.:rockon: Hes the descendant of bird, jordan, kobe. As kobe said, "Im passing the torch to melo".

And who cares about top 10. I judge players based on something they are motivated to play and which requires the highest skill and thats offense. While it is proven time and time again that every player can play defense but its just that they dont like playing it. Defense doesnt require much skill that it becomes insulting for them to play it. And I also look at players whether they are playing within their role or they are stealing roles from other positions esp the most conflicting one like assists and scoring. So lebron might impact more individually but hes reducing the impact of his teammates so his net impact really is the same as melo. But because it causes unhappiness to his teammates coz they cant get good contracts alongside lebron while lebron can get max even if he doesnt play defense and playmake like melo, their impact reduces much more. So he'll retire like oscar, pure stats with no rings.

[RRR3]

hahahahahhaha only idiots think that denver has performed better when they only won 1 game in the playoffs compared to a team that went to the conference finals. Worse is that memphis, an inferior team has almost won the series against oklahoma. idiots really are laughable. :oldlol:

at least he was involved in a fight while i havent seen any fights involving lebron. That shows how mentally weak he is. kobe, jordan, bird are all badasses in court just like melo while lebron is still a boy.

Theres no more insulting for a player than not being guarded and still get beaten. Thats my boy melo, the baddest in court.:rockon: Hes the descendant of bird, jordan, kobe. As kobe said, "Im passing the torch to melo".

And who cares about top 10. I judge players based on something they are motivated to play and which requires the highest skill and thats offense. While it is proven time and time again that every player can play defense but its just that they dont like playing it. Defense doesnt require much skill that it becomes insulting for them to play it. And I also look at players whether they are playing within their role or they are stealing roles from other positions esp the most conflicting one like assists and scoring. So lebron might impact more individually but hes reducing the impact of his teammates so his net impact really is the same as melo. But because it causes unhappiness to his teammates coz they cant get good contracts alongside lebron while lebron can get max even if he doesnt play defense and playmake like melo, their impact reduces much more. So he'll retire like oscar, pure stats with no rings.
LOL Wut? Kobe is one of the biggest bitches there is. All talk.

[knicksman]

LOL Wut? Kobe is one of the biggest bitches there is. All talk.

at least he talks trash while lebron got trash talked by inferior players like terry, marion, stevenson and yet just kept quiet. Thats how mentally weak he is.