Man Killed w/One Punch @ LV Casino

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LAS VEGAS - A racial comment in the restroom of a Las Vegas Strip casino restroom preceded a single fatal punch that left a tourist from Utah dead and a Florida tourist jailed in Nevada on a murder charge, authorities said Wednesday.

Benjamin Gerard Hawkins, 37, of Gainesville, Fla., took offense to John Massie's comment about "a black man in a yellow shirt" while both men were in the restroom at O'Sheas Las Vegas Casino shortly before the fatal 12:45 a.m. confrontation, according to a police report.

Moments later, Massie was felled by a single punch to the jaw.


"One punch," police homicide Lt. Lewis Roberts told The AP.

"He was out. Never got back up."


Hawkins is black. Massie was white.

Massie was pronounced dead less than 30 minutes later at Desert Springs Hospital in Las Vegas.

Police said the fatal confrontation was captured on casino surveillance videotapes. Roberts said detectives also questioned casino witnesses.

The Clark County coroner declined to release the dead man's identity pending completion of the medical examiner's report.

Hawkins was held at the Clark County jail pending a Thursday court appearance in Las Vegas. It wasn't immediately clear if he had a lawyer, and the police said he refused jailhouse interview requests.

The slaying was the third on the Las Vegas Strip in less than two weeks, including the stabbings of a 21-year-old man Monday on a pedestrian walkway between casinos and the another 21-year-old Las Vegas man in a pre-dawn confrontation June 25.

The one-page police report of Wednesday's slaying offered a glimpse of a men's room slight escalating to tragic consequences at a rollicking Irish-themed casino offering "discount entertainment" including a Viper Vixens stage show, a resident psychic, a cigar bar and beer pong competitions.

"Massie made some comment to Hawkins to the effect of a black man in a yellow shirt," the police report said.

"Hawkins told him to shut up."

Police said the two men squared off after exiting the restroom.

Massie stopped in a food court area, put his hands in his pockets, and spoke to Hawkins.

Hawkins told police Massie challenged him with a comment such as, "What are you going to do about it?"

Hawkins told detectives he interpreted Massie's actions as aggressive.

"Hawkins said he feared if he turned his back on Massie he would be punched in the back of the head, so he punched Massie one time in the jaw with his right hand," the police report said.

O'Sheas, owned by Caesars Entertainment Corp., is between the Harrah's and Flamingo resorts -- across busy Las Vegas Boulevard from the company's flagship, Caesars Palace.

Caesars Entertainment spokesman Gary Thompson declined comment about the slaying and referred questions to police.

link (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/07/06/20110706las-vegas-casino-beating-death.html)





damn. what a fukced up way to die.

this is murder. no question in my mind.

[N0Skillz]

Feel bad for both sides.

The white guy was being a giant d*** but didn't deserve to die and the black guy became way to aggressive but was being instigated the whole time.


This shoulda just been a fight =(

[Qwyjibo]

Hawkins told detectives he interpreted Massie's actions as aggressive.

"Hawkins said he feared if he turned his back on Massie he would be punched in the back of the head, so he punched Massie one time in the jaw with his right hand," the police report said.
Ahhhh the preemptive punch. The best defense is a good offense right?

That's why you don't hit random people. Some can brush them off and some you can kill and you'll pay the price huge.

[BigTicket]

this is murder. no question in my mind.

There's no way that's murder.

It's manslaughter at the most.

I mean it's not like he intended to kill the guy, or even that he could reasonably expect that his actions would lead to a death. It's a freak accident most of all.

[Qwyjibo]

It doesn't matter if he thought it would kill him or not. It did. This is why you don't go around punching people. You never know who might have some kind of condition where one punch or whatever could kill them. Maybe this guy didn't and the punch was just really hard but still. This should be manslaughter.

[Flash88]

Dude has a worse chin than Ricky Hatton.

[JohnnySic]

Glass Joe's got nothing on this ko'd guy...

[Draz]

Put his ass behind bars. A grown ass man like that should know better.

[FourthTenor]

The fact the guy died is bound to skew perceptions but if this white dude really did just start talkin shit bout the black dude out of nowhere, then the guy is pretty justified in punching him. The death is just an accidental byproduct.

[FourthTenor]

Put his ass behind bars. A grown ass man like that should know better.


If it turns out this guy was literally provoked for no reason then I'd just let him walk. Incarceration is expensive. If you wanna go into bathrooms and start making insensitive comments to strangers, deal with the fact you might get punched. And if you die, put it on ya mama cuz she done raised a damn fool.

[LilKateMoss]

That is nothing. Scabface once killed two filipinos with one punch.

[Patrick Chewing]

Feel bad for both sides.




uhhh what?

[ace23]

uhhh what?
? Hawkins does not want to go to prison; Massie did not want to die. Simple.

[Patrick Chewing]

? Hawkins does not want to go to prison; Massie did not want to die. Simple.

Then Hawkins should have never thrown a punch. You reap what you sow. Simple.

[Stephen_H]

Something similar happened a few years back here in my hometown. Story goes there was a fight going on outside a pub. So this kid goes to break up the fight. While doing this he is sucker punched by one of the fighters. The kid dies later that day.

It's no joke to physically assault someone. That's why I carry a large caliber revolver. Make me fear for my life and I'll end yours, legally of course.

[ace23]

Then Hawkins should have never thrown a punch. You reap what you sow. Simple.
Did you read the article? Massie instigated.

[Patrick Chewing]

Did you read the article? Massie instigated.

People instigate me all the time. I don't punch them all out. Violence begets violence and thus the cycle never stops. The high road is always the better option.

[ace23]

People instigate me all the time. I don't punch them all out. Violence begets violence and thus the cycle never stops. The high road is always the better option.
Agreed, but that doesn't make me any less sympathetic for Hawkins and the families. Neither deserved this.

[pete's montreux]

That is nothing. Scabface once killed two filipinos with one punch.

C'mon starface, you HAVE to laugh at this one.

[BigTicket]

If this is a first time offense, I think the punishment should be 5 years at the most.

Yeah it sucks that the guy died, but that's really just a freak accident. If he hadn't died, we'd be looking at a case where a guy made a racist comment, and got punched once as a result. Noone would care, and the police probably wouldn't even get involved.

[Lebron23]

I want to see Sinjackal vs. Hawkins.

[Balla_Status]

There's only going to be two hits.

Me hitting you
And you hitting the floor.

DAMN

[northwinds]

Saying something about a "black man in a yellow sweater" should absolve someone of killing you?........geez the stupidity of some people.

[ace23]

Saying something about a "black man in a yellow sweater" should absolve someone of killing you?........geez the stupidity of some people.
:facepalm Oh, the irony.

[L.Kizzle]

He didn't beat this guy to death, it was just one punch. If he didn't die, this wouldn't even be a story ...

How much is the average sentence (or punishment) for a random fight? That what dude should get. It's terrible that it led to a death, but don't think he tried to kill him. Now, if there is evidence that dude beat him to death, that's totally different.

[Saintsfan1992]

Worst chin of all time

THIS:pimp:

[Patrick Chewing]

When this usually happens isn't it because there was already some sort of clot or other problem with the brain already?

Dude probably hit his head on the floor.

I can see this guy getting Manslaughter and serving about 5-6 years

[donald_trump]

aggravated assault as well as a manslaughter charge.

he should go away for 10+, and deservedly so. you dont hit someone because they said something mean to you. look at the guys mugshot, hardly looks like someone who is distraught or worried about the fact he just ended a human life.

i hope he does in fact get a murder charge.

[mmsupra]

*** Kembo this dude needs a deal one shot KO :bowdown:

[Patrick Chewing]

Probably, he doesn't deserve it, but at least he won't have his whole life wasted away in jail.

I think he's actually catching a huge break by only getting that. Sure, he may not have meant to kill him, but the fact remains, he did. He should be put away for that long simply on just assaulting another person. As the poster above me mentioned, we can't just simply attack someone over some words and not expect there to be consequences for our actions.

[FourthTenor]

As the poster above me mentioned, we can't just simply attack someone over some words and not expect there to be consequences for our actions.


We also can't just incarcerate everyone who throws a punch for years at a time.

This was random. He is not a murderer. He punched someone after being insulted. You can't spend 18k a year of taxpayer money to keep this guy in prison. It just doenst make sense. This was a fluke.

Now we don't know this guys track record. If he's got previous assault convictions, that will be a different scenario than if this is his first offense of this nature. But if it is, give him fines, community service, a probation officer etc. don't stick him in prison for a long ass time. It's not worth it over a fluke like this. The Supreme Court just ordered California to release 33,000 prison inmates due to overcrowding. You can't just throw everyone in prison.

[IcanzIIravor]

Dude probably hit his head on the floor.

I can see this guy getting Manslaughter and serving about 5-6 years

Definitely sounds like a man slaughter case. I'd love to know what exactly was said between the two men and what instigated it. I hope it was more than this Utah guy chuckling and mutter, 'I seen it all now. Black guy in a loud yellow shirt...' Really crazy how this has happened.

[Qwyjibo]

This was random. He is not a murderer. He punched someone after being insulted. You can't spend 18k a year of taxpayer money to keep this guy in prison. It just doenst make sense. This was a fluke.
Where do you draw the line at with a "fluke"? His actions directly caused this guy's death. Whether it was probable or not, it doesn't matter.

Was thinking back to my philosophy of law class years ago and finally remembered the example. The "thin skull". From our good and always reliable (:lol ) friend Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull


The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor who was unaware of the condition injured that person's head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the defendant would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even if

1. such damages were not reasonably foreseeable, or
2. the tortfeasor did not intend to cause such a severe injury.

[tpols]

Where do you draw the line at with a "fluke"? His actions directly caused this guy's death. Whether it was probable or not, it doesn't matter.

Intentions and motivation play a big part in dealing out sentences.. The difference between purposely killing someone knowing full well what you're doing, and accidently killing them in a very unlikely manner that was in no way intended or expected is huge. He shouldn't get more than a few years in prison..

[Beebo]

"black man in a yellow shirt' is considered offensive?? Seriously? :facepalm

[JMT]

Personally, I've got no problem with sending him away for a long time.

Got mad because a guy said "black man in a yellow shirt". Wasn't talking to him or about him. No indication that the guy said anything more inflammatory.

Punched a man who had his hands in his pockets. Obviously not posing a threat.

Aggressive children handle perceived slights by punching others. Grown men with the mentality of aggressive children are a threat. Lock him up.

LOL at "fluke" being tossed around. Get behind the wheel "buzzed". Pedestrian trips approaching a curb, falling toward the street. Hit pedestrian and injure/kill him. Not a fluke. The moment you got behind the wheel after drinking you left yourself open to the consequences.

Same as deciding to punch someone in the face.

[Rasheed1]

DAAAAAMMMMM!!!! 1 punch knocked homie into the next dimension...


this is 2 lessons in one episode....

*watch ya mouth
*Dont just go around punchin folks

[No Name]

so if i was having a race with my friend on top of the empire state building and i accidently trip him and he falls to his death should i go to jail for not knowing racing on the empire state building is bad?

lolwut

[Eat Like A Bosh]

"Black men in a yellow sweater?"
So the black dude got offended even though he didn't say ******?

The white guy shouldn't have randomly talked trash to strangers.
The black guy shouldn't have randomly punched a stranger.

Both sides were wrong.

[Scholar]

"black man in a yellow shirt' is considered offensive?? Seriously? :facepalm

We're not sure if anything racist was actually said. Even in that case, you don't go around punching motherf0ck3rs in the face.
I can understand being upset over someone making a negative comment, but c'mon now. Even if the other dude didn't die, this "black man in a yellow shirt" would've dealt with a lawsuit of sorts.
I know the guy doesn't want prison time, but welcome to society, buddy. I'm sure this isn't the first time he's punched someone over an offensive comment. His mugshot alone just tells me he's prepared for a prison sentence. :confusedshrug:

[DeronMillsap]

Am I the only one on the black man's side? :confusedshrug:

It was accidental. He was just defending himself. 3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable.

The cracker Mormon boy was probably drunk and kept harassing him. I would have done the same thing thinking I'd just knock him out not knowing he'd die from it.

[yobore]

Someone from my high school died from a punch to the head. Apparently if you get hit when you're drunk it can do a LOT more damage than otherwise.

[JMT]

so if i was having a race with my friend on top of the empire state building and i accidently trip him and he falls to his death should i go to jail for not knowing racing on the empire state building is bad?

lolwut

Ignorance of the law is no defense, but inj this case, the punch wasn't an accident.

Maybe the result was unintended...though you don't punch someone without intending them harm...but the action was premeditated.

[JMT]

Am I the only one on the black man's side? :confusedshrug:

It was accidental. He was just defending himself. 3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable.

The cracker Mormon boy was probably drunk and kept harassing him. I would have done the same thing thinking I'd just knock him out not knowing he'd die from it.

Defending himself against a guy with his hands in his pockets?

There's no indication the comment in the bathroom was even directed toward or about the defendant.

[yobore]

Defending himself against a guy with his hands in his pockets?

There's no indication the comment in the bathroom was even directed toward or about the defendant.

I think the reaction of a supposedly otherwise calm teacher/coach is sufficient indication for me. Obviously unjustified reaction, but I can sympathize with both parties.

FYI the case I referred to earlier ended up with very light charges

[28renyoy]

This is no different than speeding 100 mph, hitting someone and killing them.

Speed is illegal, physically assaulting someone is illegal, both end in a greater charge because someone died.

[JMT]

I think the reaction of a supposedly otherwise calm teacher/coach is sufficient indication for me.

Can only assume you've drawn info from another source, as the op doesn't say anything about his demeanor or profession.

Regardless. "Supposedly calm" is pretty much thrown out the window when you throw a first punch at someone with his hands in his pockets.

Verbal provocation isn't a defense for physical aggression.

[JMT]

FYI the case I referred to earlier ended up with very light charges

The age of those involved and the circumstances surrounding the altercation will always impact the sentence.

Every case stands alone. Others may be cited as precedent but, unless there are established sentencing guidelines, they have no concrete influence on the outcome.

[Mathius 2.0]

That is nothing. Scabface once killed two filipinos with one punch.
:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Am I the only one on the black man's side? :confusedshrug:

It was accidental. He was just defending himself. 3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable.

The cracker Mormon boy was probably drunk and kept harassing him. I would have done the same thing thinking I'd just knock him out not knowing he'd die from it.

Dude, you're just a racist and you don't even know it.

You say things like "accidental", "defending himself", and "cracker Mormon"?

Sounds to me like you need a good punch or two on the chin to set your sorry ass straight.

[Rasheed1]

Am I the only one on the black man's side? :confusedshrug:

It was accidental. He was just defending himself. 3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable.

The cracker Mormon boy was probably drunk and kept harassing him. I would have done the same thing thinking I'd just knock him out not knowing he'd die from it.


I aint mad at the Black dude.... knocking mafukas dead with 1 punch is impressive on a purely physical level.... but you gotta get some control over that...

Maybe he needs to pull back a bit and start just b*tch slapping dudes for being out of pocket...

disrespect level is higher and you wont kill people when you hit them..

[DeronMillsap]

I aint mad at the Black dude.... knocking mafukas dead with 1 punch is impressive on a purely physical level.... but you gotta get some control over that...

Maybe he needs to pull back a bit and start just b*tch slapping dudes for being out of pocket...

disrespect level is higher and you wont kill people when you hit them..
If the white boy was half his size then a bitchslap would have been a better option but I still see nothing wrong with the single punch either. The result just went to the extreme.

[B]

The real lesson here. Don't wear yellow after Memorial Day.

[rezznor]

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[LJJ]

"black man in a yellow shirt' is considered offensive?? Seriously? :facepalm

White guy: "Haha, look at this nikka in yellow"
Black guy: "Shut the hell up"
White guy: "What you going to do about it son, U Mad?"
*black guy ends white guy's existence with one punch*

:applause:


When you're trying to start shit you deserve to get punched. You trying to be a tough guy you need to face the consequences like a man. Black guy should be acquitted.

[bagelred]

if this white dude really did just start talkin shit bout the black dude out of nowhere, then the guy is pretty justified in punching him.

You are an idiot.

[bagelred]

When you're trying to start shit you deserve to get punched. .

Is there something wrong with you people?

[LJJ]

Is there something wrong with you people?

Look man, there are tons of amazing people dying every day for no reason. I'm not going to feel bad for some guy who died because he was being a giant douche.

[DeronMillsap]

Is there something wrong with you people?
White guy didn't deserved to die but he deserved to be punched.

Unfortunately for him, that punch was a fatal blow.

[Dolphin]

You trying to be a tough guy you need to face the consequences like a man.

Just explain to me how this sentence doesn't apply to BOTH parties involved, not just the white guy. :roll:

[Rasheed1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1j1PhElsvM


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Shhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!!

[bagelred]

White guy didn't deserved to die but he deserved to be punched.

Unfortunately for him, that punch was a fatal blow.

No one deserves to be punched unless its self defense. Otherwise, believe it or not, the right course of action is walking away. I know its hard to believe.....even if you are "disrespected"......

[Scholar]

If I were in the defendant's place, when the other dude asked, "What are you gonna do about it?" I would've made a threat, such as, "I'll knock you the f0ck out." If the guy reacts to the comment, it's self-defense if a death occurs during the scuffle. If he doesn't, he's clearly just all talk and not worth fighting. :confusedshrug:
The defendant should've thought this through before reacting to a stupid question. I mean, any time you punch someone who is standing with his/her hands in his/her pocket, you're not exactly looking like the non-aggressor here.
I have no sympathy for either side because I don't know the full story. Who started it? Why were they arguing? Could this have been resolved nonviolently? (Definitely yes)

[fatboy11]

Can someone explain to me what is offensive about "a black man in a yellow shirt"?

If you cannot, please stop saying the guy was justified in punching this guy to death. Also, please stop saying this guy was "defending himself". Defending himself against what? Vaguely, maybe offensive, words? Give me a break.

Bottom line, this thing esclated because both men were probably drunk. Want something to blame - blame the booze. If the white guy did say something offensive, I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have said it if he was sober. It could also be that the black guy wouldn't have punched him if he was sober. Maybe shoved or something.

But, in no world was this Hawkins guy defending himself. That's just silly. Really, though, I want someone to explain the yellow shirt thing. Am I missing something? Are black people really sensitive about wearing yellow? I'm at a loss here.

[Rasheed1]

Can someone explain to me what is offensive about "a black man in a yellow shirt"?

If you cannot, please stop saying the guy was justified in punching this guy to death. Also, please stop saying this guy was "defending himself". Defending himself against what? Vaguely, maybe offensive, words? Give me a break.

Bottom line, this thing esclated because both men were probably drunk. Want something to blame - blame the booze. If the white guy did say something offensive, I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have said it if he was sober. It could also be that the black guy wouldn't have punched him if he was sober. Maybe shoved or something.

But, in no world was this Hawkins guy defending himself. That's just silly. Really, though, I want someone to explain the yellow shirt thing. Am I missing something? Are black people really sensitive about wearing yellow? I'm at a loss here.



you obviously would have had to be there to figure out what exactly the problem was ... Im pretty sure there was one

Im sure he didnt just knock the dude the f*ck into next lifetime because he nicely talked about his yellow shirt... :oldlol:


lets have some common sense here.... there was obviously a problem and somebody got the sh*t punched out of them and died...

[Rysio]

"black man in a yellow shirt' is considered offensive?? Seriously? :facepalm
its not but its good enough excuse for the hoodlums to do what they love best, committing crime.

and like always they show their true colors that they are nothing but criminals and that they all belong in prison. :applause:

[fatboy11]

you obviously would have had to be there to figure out what exactly the problem was ... Im pretty sure there was one

Im sure he didnt just knock the dude the f*ck into next lifetime because he nicely talked about his yellow shirt... :oldlol:


lets have some common sense here.... there was obviously a problem and somebody got the sh*t punched out of them and died...

But all we know was that he said something about "a black man in a yellow shirt." Could it be possible the guy (Hawkins) took something the wrong way? I would think they would have said if a slur was used. Obviously, if "******" was said instead of "black guy", the game does change. Not that punching is then necessary, but it does change things a bit.

I also wouldn't be so sure that someone could be knocked out for not really doing anything offensive. I've seen it with my own two eyes. I'm sure that isn't want happened here, but it's entirely possible. Completely innocent people get beaten for giggles all the time - especially when alcohol (and maybe frustration from gambling losses?) enters the mix.

But anyway, this is manslaughter. Not murder. Not self-defense. Manslaughter. I do feel somewhat sorry for both parties. Obviously, the guy from Utah did not deserve death (no matter what he said), but this other is going to have to go to jail for reacting to words. Many of us would have probably done the same thing he did.

[Rasheed1]

But all we know was that he said something about "a black man in a yellow shirt." Could it be possible the guy (Hawkins) took something the wrong way? I would think they would have said if a slur was used. Obviously, if "******" was said instead of "black guy", the game does change. Not that punching is then necessary, but it does change things a bit.

I also wouldn't be so sure that someone could be knocked out for not really doing anything offensive. I've seen it with my own two eyes. I'm sure that isn't want happened here, but it's entirely possible. Completely innocent people get beaten for giggles all the time - especially when alcohol (and maybe frustration from gambling losses?) enters the mix.

But anyway, this is manslaughter. Not murder. Not self-defense. Manslaughter. I do feel somewhat sorry for both parties. Obviously, the guy from Utah did not deserve death (no matter what he said), but this other is going to have to go to jail for reacting to words. Many of us would have probably done the same thing he did.


disagreements, depending on how they are handled can lead to death..... Im assuming that the 'hard guy' posture both guys probably took after the initial disagreement was what led to the guy getting decked...

I mean its not a punk move to just to tell somebody else that you didnt mean anything by what you said or just letting it go...

If I offend someone when I didnt mean it, I'll say I dont have any beef instead of feeling challenged and getting into a fight when it didnt have to happen..

sometimes it is good to let it go...

I agree with you that its manslaughter

[Patrick Chewing]

Look man, there are tons of amazing people dying every day for no reason. I'm not going to feel bad for some guy who died because he was being a giant douche.

I'm sure you've been drunk plenty of times and have said stupid things in your life. Consider yourself lucky to still be alive then.

[ihatetimthomas]

When you're trying to start shit you deserve to get punched. You trying to be a tough guy you need to face the consequences like a man. Black guy should be acquitted.

I find this pretty ironic. So your saying the white dude needs to face the consequences like a man but the black dude doesn't and should be acquitted? Dude killed a man, this isn't no BS shyt talking. He is the one who needs to man up and face the consequences. lol at him desrving no punishment, let me guess, you an angry black dude??:oldlol: :oldlol:

[LJJ]

I find this pretty ironic. So your saying the white dude needs to face the consequences like a man but the black dude doesn't and should be acquitted? Dude killed a man, this isn't no BS shyt talking. He is the one who needs to man up and face the consequences. lol at him desrving no punishment, let me guess, you an angry black dude??:oldlol: :oldlol:

I am the whitest guy on the planet.

Still yes, should be acquitted. Clearly.

If an adult guy:
1. Makes a racist remark towards you.
2. Follows you around
3. Then proceeds to get in your face asking you what you are going to do about it.

If you punch that guy in the face one time you should not go to jail for it. It's just one punch, and the guy was literally asking for it. Should not be a big deal.

[ihatetimthomas]

I am the whitest guy on the planet.

Still yes, should be acquitted. Clearly.

If an adult guy:
1. Makes a racist remark towards you.
2. Follows you around
3. Then proceeds to get in your face asking you what you are going to do about it.

If you punch that guy in the face one time you should not go to jail for it. It's just one punch, and the guy was literally asking for it. Should not be a big deal.

One punch wouldn't be a big deal but the dude died and yes that is a big deal. Doesnt matter if its one punch or not, the fact that he is dead is going to make this a manslaughter case. Intent to kill was not there, but you gotta "man up and face the consequences."

[2LeTTeRS]

One punch wouldn't be a big deal but the dude died and yes that is a big deal. Doesnt matter if its one punch or not, the fact that he is dead is going to make this a manslaughter case. Intent to kill was not there, but you gotta "man up and face the consequences."

Doesn't matter if you intended to kill a person. If you intend to seriously injure a person, and your actions result in death then there is enough there to constitute murder.


Where do you draw the line at with a "fluke"? His actions directly caused this guy's death. Whether it was probable or not, it doesn't matter.

Was thinking back to my philosophy of law class years ago and finally remembered the example. The "thin skull". From our good and always reliable (:lol ) friend Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull


The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor who was unaware of the condition injured that person's head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the defendant would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even if

1. such damages were not reasonably foreseeable, or
2. the tortfeasor did not intend to cause such a severe injury.

The term you posted is referencing a civil matter, but the law is basically the same for criminal matters. At the end of the day the issue that will decide if the Defendant is convicted for murder or manslaughter is whether the words and actions of the person killed was sufficient to provoke a reasonable person.

[Patrick Chewing]

If you punch that guy in the face one time you should not go to jail for it. It's just one punch, and the guy was literally asking for it. Should not be a big deal.

LOL what country do you live in?? :lol

[LJJ]

LOL what country do you live in?? :lol

So that's justice to you huh? So one punch after heavy provocation should land you in jail for many years?

It's not to me.

[N0Skillz]

Clearly manslaughter. Feel bad for the guy though

[Patrick Chewing]

So that's justice to you huh? So one punch after heavy provocation should land you in jail for many years?

It's not to me.

Ever hear about just walking away or calling the cops?? If people walk around town thinking they are badasses waiting for the next guy to look at them weird so that they can sock them, then they are just inching closer and closer to getting locked up and having their lives ruined.

If you think like that, then you are not a civilized member of society, just another animal. I mean you guys are some weak-minded individuals if you think violence is the answer when somebody's pushing your buttons. There is no way around it.

[Dolphin]

So that's justice to you huh? So one punch after heavy provocation should land you in jail for many years?

It's not to me.

Verbal assault for a few minutes at most (I'd imagine) resulting in death is a ok for you........physical assault resulting in jail time is not though.....:roll:

[Gunnin4HoLeS]

I wonder what the science is going to be on what caused him to die (besides the punch i get it) . As far as what went on internally and what was damaged .. i wonder if dudes in State Prison are gonna wanna fight this guy now that he will be dubbed " The Black Hand" ... damn.. i bet if there were ever a Prison Draft this muth@****a would be taken 1st overall!!

[DeronMillsap]

Call the cops for what? They ain't doing sh-t!!!! And they're most definitely not doing anything for a black guy.

If he walks away then he'll be showing a sign of weakness and the white boy would keep on harassing him.

I commend the brotha for sticking up for himself. :applause:

[DeronMillsap]

Verbal assault for a few minutes at most (I'd imagine) resulting in death is a ok for you........physical assault resulting in jail time is not though.....:roll:
He punched him to shut him up, he didn't mean to kill him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Call the cops for what? They ain't doing sh-t!!!! And they're most definitely not doing anything for a black guy.

If he walks away then he'll be showing a sign of weakness and the white boy would keep on harassing him.

I commend the brotha for sticking up for himself. :applause:


I Feel sorry for your racist ass

[LJJ]

Ever hear about just walking away or calling the cops?? If people walk around town thinking they are badasses waiting for the next guy to look at them weird so that they can sock them, then they are just inching closer and closer to getting locked up and having their lives ruined.

If you think like that, then you are not a civilized member of society, just another animal. I mean you guys are some weak-minded individuals if you think violence is the answer when somebody's pushing your buttons. There is no way around it.

I don't go around punching people, but I don't go around provoking people to punch me either.


I think the difference is that you guys only care about the results, while I only care about the intent and the severity of the action.

[Dolphin]

He punched him to shut him up, he didn't mean to kill him.

The guy trash talked him to put him down, not to be killed and send the other guy to jail.

As LJJ alluded to, life happens. You pay for you actions. Sometime the consequences don't equal said actions. I think both guys are realizing that now....well one is. lol

It's a lesson we should learn before we make a similar mistake. While intent matters in the eyes of the law, what matters just as much, if not more in many cases, is simply what you did.

[IcanzIIravor]

Call the cops for what? They ain't doing sh-t!!!! And they're most definitely not doing anything for a black guy.

If he walks away then he'll be showing a sign of weakness and the white boy would keep on harassing him.

I commend the brotha for sticking up for himself. :applause:

You are one step away from throwing a parade for the guy. :oldlol:

I wouldn't commend the guy, but I can understand losing your cool in a moment and throwing a punch. Not like the figured he would kill the guy with one punch. People wanting to slap the guy on the back need to chill as well as the people who want to throw the book at the guy. He made a mistake but it sure as hell wasn't premeditated murder.

[DeronMillsap]

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbEPXnvASY
The fat kid became a hero for all bully victims around the world.

To me this is the same situation but unfortunately it resulted with the instigator being killed.

All of you would be praising the black guy too if his punch wasn't fatal, just like you were for the fat kid.

[BRabbiT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1j1PhElsvM


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Shhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!!




:lol

[ihatetimthomas]

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbEPXnvASY
The fat kid became a hero for all bully victims around the world.

To me this is the same situation but unfortunately it resulted with the instigator being killed.

All of you would be praising the black guy too if his punch wasn't fatal, just like you were for the fat kid.

He killed a man and should suffer the consequences for it. You accidentally kill someone, then you are still facing jail time. I don't get why some of you guys don't understand this. You guys just think since he didn't intend to kill him that he doesn't deserve any type of punishment?

Time to start living in the real world where people who fcuk up have to pay for what they did, whether or not they intended to do so.

[bagelred]

He punched him to shut him up, he didn't mean to kill him.

You aren't supposed to punch ANYONE. What is with you people? Just WALK AWAY.

[DeronMillsap]

He killed a man and should suffer the consequences for it. You accidentally kill someone, then you are still facing jail time. I don't get why some of you guys don't understand this. You guys just think since he didn't intend to kill him that he doesn't deserve any type of punishment?

Time to start living in the real world where people who fcuk up have to pay for what they did, whether or not they intended to do so.
I never said he didn't deserved to be behind bars for it. I'm just giving him props for sticking up for himself.

3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable. And probably some community service.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6176061&postcount=47

[ihatetimthomas]

I never said he didn't deserved to be behind bars for it. I'm just giving him props for sticking up for himself.

3 years for manslaughter would be reasonable. And probably some community service.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6176061&postcount=47

alright, never saw that post. I give him credit for sticking up for himself too, but we really do not know the entire context of the confrontation. All we have to go by is what the black guy said since the white guy is dead.

When I was younger, I wouldn't stand for anything like that, but as I have gotten older, I realize its not worth it to worry about what a complete stranger says to you. There is too much too lose and little to gain. I dont care what a random dude think s about me.

[Mr. Grieves]

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbEPXnvASY
The fat kid became a hero for all bully victims around the world.

To me this is the same situation but unfortunately it resulted with the instigator being killed.

All of you would be praising the black guy too if his punch wasn't fatal, just like you were for the fat kid.

The fat kid took a punch and did nothing. When he was about to take more he took action. THAT is self defense, he could've reacted after the first one but he didn't.

When a guy says something you don't like but has his hands in his pockets and you hit him, that is assault/battery, not self-defense. And in this case assault turned into manslaughter.

Not the same situation at all.

Watch Macho Man's link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4fITNkHXw&feature=youtu.be

Forrest Griffin asks a Nevada state lawyer very clearly to lay out situations just like this, and he does. If you break the law by committing assault (and whatever it leads to) man up and accept any consequences for your actions.

[rezznor]

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbEPXnvASY
The fat kid became a hero for all bully victims around the world.

To me this is the same situation but unfortunately it resulted with the instigator being killed.

All of you would be praising the black guy too if his punch wasn't fatal, just like you were for the fat kid.
difference is, the bully laid his hands on the fat kid first.

[northwinds]

Hopefully the murderer will get an "all white" jury...hopefully a good group of "Mormon Crackers". Send him away for about 30 years so he can have some time to reflect on why comments about black people in yellow sweaters is an offensive term....LMAO. Reading the comments of the black posters on this thread makes me understand why there is so much black on white violence everywhere in the world.....

[IcanzIIravor]

Hopefully the murderer will get an "all white" jury...hopefully a good group of "Mormon Crackers". Send him away for about 30 years so he can have some time to reflect on why comments about black people in yellow sweaters is an offensive term....LMAO. Reading the comments of the black posters on this thread makes me understand why there is so much black on white violence everywhere in the world.....

You think this is murder 1 or something less? 30 years is ridiculous considering what we have heard thus far and that is regardless of skin color. Are you aware not all black people think the same way? We aren't the Borg.

[northwinds]

You think this is murder 1 or something less? 30 years is ridiculous considering what we have heard thus far and that is regardless of skin color. Are you aware not all black people think the same way? We aren't the Borg.

He will probably plead down to voluntary manslaughter and get ten years....which isn't enough for taking the life of a father, brother, husband, son, etc. Based upon the responses of blacks on this thread I would say that the majority of blacks do think alike and revel in the death of a white person....just sayin'....kinda reminds me of the sheer joy of most blacks at the acquital of O.J., who we all know slaughtered two white folks.

[Theoo's Daddy]

damn, he must've sneaked up on him..

[DeronMillsap]

isn't northwinds the guy who loves white running backs and wide receivers, and promotes all things white?

Dude is such a racist and he doesn't even know it.

[donald_trump]

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbEPXnvASY
The fat kid became a hero for all bully victims around the world.

To me this is the same situation but unfortunately it resulted with the instigator being killed.

All of you would be praising the black guy too if his punch wasn't fatal, just like you were for the fat kid.

after being physically assaulted, and with the bully showing no sign of letting up, he has every right to protect himself. he did.

this guy on the other hand, heard something he wasn't sure was even directed at him, had a guy with his hands in his pockets, and the fact is you cant punch someone because of spoken words. hes not sticking up for anything.
thats aggravated assault. he started it by rushing over there and hitting him. and then the guy died. depending on how it seen it could either be murder or manslaughter. i think it will be manslaughter due to the fact it will be piled in with an aggravated assault charge where the assault only consisted of one punch.

there is something seriously wrong for you if you commend the idiot going around punching people for anything. unless the white guy was actually in fighting stance or ready to fight.

[ace23]

He will probably plead down to voluntary manslaughter and get ten years....which isn't enough for taking the life of a father, brother, husband, son, etc. Based upon the responses of blacks on this thread I would say that the majority of blacks do think alike and revel in the death of a white person....just sayin'....kinda reminds me of the sheer joy of most blacks at the acquital of O.J., who we all know slaughtered two white folks.
WOW. :facepalm :facepalm

Good night.

[northwinds]

isn't northwinds the guy who loves white running backs and wide receivers, and promotes all things white?

Dude is such a racist and he doesn't even know it.

Hey Deron.....what do you have against white WRs and running backs....do you think these are "black" positions in football? Your racism is showing through and you don't even know it.....LMAO

[Zan Tabak]

It doesn't matter if he thought it would kill him or not. It did. This is why you don't go around punching people. You never know who might have some kind of condition where one punch or whatever could kill them. Maybe this guy didn't and the punch was just really hard but still. This should be manslaughter.

Exactly, this is why people shouldn't go around punching random people. You just never know what the consequences might be.

[Patrick Chewing]

You aren't supposed to punch ANYONE. What is with you people? Just WALK AWAY.

Bingo. Some of you blokes are failing at life and you're probably all adults already out of college.

[Rasheed1]

:lol certain posters are mad and taking it personal lol...

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[jamal99]

Dude has a worse chin than Andrei Arlovski.

fixed it for ya

[SCREWstonRockets]

Hmm guy from Utah vs black guy in restroom....not going to end well. Anyone want to speculate that "black guy in yellow shirt" was really, "niggar in yellow shirt"?

[iamgine]

Hmm guy from Utah vs black guy in restroom....not going to end well. Anyone want to speculate that "black guy in yellow shirt" was really, "niggar in yellow shirt"?
Wasn't that implied?

[Noob Saibot]

Fatality

[All Net]

:wtf:

[clipps]

aggravated assault as well as a manslaughter charge.

he should go away for 10+, and deservedly so. you dont hit someone because they said something mean to you. look at the guys mugshot, hardly looks like someone who is distraught or worried about the fact he just ended a human life.

i hope he does in fact get a murder charge.

Why, because he's a big bald black guy? You're a moron.

[Toizumi]

I'm with LJJ on this one. To me, it's more about the intent than the result..

We had a similar case in Amsterdam two years back.
Drunk white guy tries to get a cab, gets into an argument with a cabdriver about the price before he gets in (most cabdrivers overcharge and a lot of them are *ssholes, but whatever), alledgely made some racial remarks (marrocan cabdriver) and spit on the cabdriver, cabdriver knocks him out with one punch - guy dies.

The news back then was about a marrocan cabdriver and how he killed a potential (white) customer and how the taxidrivers in Amsterdam overcharge and that they are douchebags etc. and the taxidriver was found guilty of manslaughter..

which I don't understand. ONE punch? You don't expect to kill a person with it :confusedshrug: I have hit people on some occasions and I never had the intent of killing anyone. Yes there is always a risk, but in the heat of the moment, you don't punch a guy to kill him (in that case he would've given him more than just that one punch.. The taxidriver had no intent of killing the man, he just didnt want him in his cab and the guy didnt back off so he hit him (just once). If it wouldve been a clean KO, there wouldve been no issues.. well, maybe an assault case, but that would've been all. Same in this casino case. Just one punch?
Even if the story proves to be somewhat false (I think the truth is still out here right?), it was just one hit.. Bad luck for both dudes here :violin:

[Dolphin]

I'm with LJJ on this one. To me, it's more about the intent than the result..

We had a similar case in Amsterdam two years back.
Drunk white guy tries to get a cab, gets into an argument with a cabdriver about the price before he gets in (most cabdrivers overcharge and a lot of them are *ssholes, but whatever), alledgely made some racial remarks (marrocan cabdriver) and spit on the cabdriver, cabdriver knocks him out with one punch - guy dies.

The news back then was about a marrocan cabdriver and how he killed a potential (white) customer and how the taxidrivers in Amsterdam overcharge and that they are douchebags etc. and the taxidriver was found guilty of manslaughter..

which I don't understand. ONE punch? You don't expect to kill a person with it :confusedshrug: I have hit people on some occasions and I never had the intent of killing anyone. Yes there is always a risk, but in the heat of the moment, you don't punch a guy to kill him (in that case he would've given him more than just that one punch.. The taxidriver had no intent of killing the man, he just didnt want him in his cab and the guy didnt back off so he hit him (just once). If it wouldve been a clean KO, there wouldve been no issues.. well, maybe an assault case, but that would've been all. Same in this casino case. Just one punch?
Even if the story proves to be somewhat false (I think the truth is still out here right?), it was just one hit.. Bad luck for both dudes here :violin:

I'm sure the dude who was responsible for people dying in that sweat lodge a year or two back didn't intend for them to die.

I'm sure people who drink and drive don't intend on killing people.

Intent can only protect you so much. Your actions are your own. You gotta pay for them at some point.

[rezznor]

I'm with LJJ on this one. To me, it's more about the intent than the result..

We had a similar case in Amsterdam two years back.
Drunk white guy tries to get a cab, gets into an argument with a cabdriver about the price before he gets in (most cabdrivers overcharge and a lot of them are *ssholes, but whatever), alledgely made some racial remarks (marrocan cabdriver) and spit on the cabdriver, cabdriver knocks him out with one punch - guy dies.

The news back then was about a marrocan cabdriver and how he killed a potential (white) customer and how the taxidrivers in Amsterdam overcharge and that they are douchebags etc. and the taxidriver was found guilty of manslaughter..

which I don't understand. ONE punch? You don't expect to kill a person with it :confusedshrug: I have hit people on some occasions and I never had the intent of killing anyone. Yes there is always a risk, but in the heat of the moment, you don't punch a guy to kill him (in that case he would've given him more than just that one punch.. The taxidriver had no intent of killing the man, he just didnt want him in his cab and the guy didnt back off so he hit him (just once). If it wouldve been a clean KO, there wouldve been no issues.. well, maybe an assault case, but that would've been all. Same in this casino case. Just one punch?
Even if the story proves to be somewhat false (I think the truth is still out here right?), it was just one hit.. Bad luck for both dudes here :violin:


I suggest you read up on the eggshell rule.
This rule holds one liable for all consequences resulting from his or her tortious (usually negligent) activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition). The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor who was unaware of the condition injured that person's head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the defendant would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even if
such damages were not reasonably foreseeable, or
the tortfeasor did not intend to cause such a severe injury.
In criminal law, the general maxim is that the defendant must "take their victims as they find them", a quotation from the judgment of Lord Justice Lawton in R v. Blaue (1975), in which the defendant was held responsible for killing his victim, despite his contention that her refusal of a blood transfusion constituted novus actus interveniens.basically, you take your victim as you find them. doesn't matter if the victim had a prior condition that made him more susceptible for injury. here are some examples, as you can see it doesn't matter what the intent was.


(UK) In the case of Smith v. Leech Brain & Co.,[3] an employee in a factory was splashed with molten metal. The metal burned him on his lip, which happened to be premalignant tissue. He died three years later from cancer triggered by the injury. The judge held that as long as the initial injury was foreseeable, the defendant was liable for all the harm.

(US) In 1891, the Wisconsin Supreme Court came to a similar result in Vosburg v. Putney.[4] In that case, an 11 year old boy kicked a 14 year-old boy in the shin while at school. It turned out that the 14 year-old had a unknown "microbial" condition that was irritated by the kick. The kick resulted in the boy entirely losing the use of his leg. No one could have predicted the level of injury before the kicking. Nevertheless, the court found that since the kicking was unlawful, and as it occurred during school and not on the playground, the 11 year-old boy was liable for the injury.

(US) In Benn v. Thomas, the appellate court determined that the eggshell rule should have been applied to a case in which a man had a heart attack and died after being bruised in the chest during a rear-end car accident.




the black guy caused the injury and death. it doesn't matter what his intentions were. HE CAUSED IT.

being called names doesn't mitigate it. you people applauding the guy who threw the punch need to grow up.

[Rasheed1]

this incident is obviously manslaughter..... Drunk driving deaths are generally manslaughter


unintentional killing of a person is usually manslaughter....

death resulting from a single punch would be manslaughter...

[Toizumi]

I suggest you read up on the eggshell rule. basically, you take your victim as you find them. doesn't matter if the victim had a prior condition that made him more susceptible for injury. here are some examples, as you can see it doesn't matter what the intent was.





the black guy caused the injury and death. it doesn't matter what his intentions were. HE CAUSED IT.

being called names doesn't mitigate it.

yup and he will be found guilty of manslaughter most likely.
I'm a law student and I know how it works somewhat (although we have a different law system here).I'm aware of the rules and the interpretations of the law.. however, I do not agree with all of them.

These things/fights happen. I've been in some fights myself (and I'm not violent at all) and I've hit people as well, but like I said, never had the intention to kill somebody :confusedshrug:

Regarding the cab driver in my post - In our Dutch criminal law we have an article regarding abuse leading to death and IMO if they charged him for that, it would've been more appropriate. For manslaughter (in our lawbook), there has to be an intent to kill. IMO, one punch does not show the intent to kill.. but the judge thought otherwise and he was found guilty of manslaughter..

Also in this casino story, I think the guy at the casino didnt want to kill the man either (we'll never really know). I know the US law systems don't have articles like we have here, but still they couldve charged him something like assult leading to death (if there is such a thing?) or something a notch below manslaughter, which is a heavy heavy crime :confusedshrug:

[rezznor]

this incident is obviously manslaughter..... Drunk driving deaths are generally manslaughter


unintentional killing of a person is usually manslaughter....

death resulting from a single punch would be manslaughter...
yeah, most likely manslaughter.

[donald_trump]

Why, because he's a big bald black guy? You're a moron.

or how about it looks as if hes somewhat smirking and as if putting on a tough guy face? who honestly poses like that for a mug shot.

retard.

[2LeTTeRS]

yup and he will be found guilty of manslaughter most likely.
I'm a law student and I know how it works somewhat (although we have a different law system here).I'm aware of the rules and the interpretations of the law.. however, I do not agree with all of them.

These things/fights happen. I've been in some fights myself (and I'm not violent at all) and I've hit people as well, but like I said, never had the intention to kill somebody :confusedshrug:

Regarding the cab driver in my post - In our Dutch criminal law we have an article regarding abuse leading to death and IMO if they charged him for that, it would've been more appropriate. For manslaughter (in our lawbook), there has to be an intent to kill. IMO, one punch does not show the intent to kill.. but the judge thought otherwise and he was found guilty of manslaughter..

Also in this casino story, I think the guy at the casino didnt want to kill the man either (we'll never really know). I know the US law systems don't have articles like we have here, but still they couldve charged him something like assult leading to death (if there is such a thing?) or something a notch below manslaughter, which is a heavy heavy crime :confusedshrug:

Laws are a little different here. I just graduated from law school myself and now I'm studying for the bar. Here's basically how it goes in most states in America.



One punch wouldn't be a big deal but the dude died and yes that is a big deal. Doesnt matter if its one punch or not, the fact that he is dead is going to make this a manslaughter case. Intent to kill was not there, but you gotta "man up and face the consequences."Doesn't matter if you intended to kill a person. If you intend to seriously injure a person, and your actions result in death then there is enough there to constitute murder.


Where do you draw the line at with a "fluke"? His actions directly caused this guy's death. Whether it was probable or not, it doesn't matter.

Was thinking back to my philosophy of law class years ago and finally remembered the example. The "thin skull". From our good and always reliable (:lol ) friend Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull


The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor who was unaware of the condition injured that person's head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the defendant would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even if

1. such damages were not reasonably foreseeable, or
2. the tortfeasor did not intend to cause such a severe injury.

The term you posted is referencing a civil matter, but the law is basically the same for criminal matters. At the end of the day the issue that will decide if the Defendant is convicted for murder or manslaughter is whether the words and actions of the person killed was sufficient to provoke a reasonable person.

[bdreason]

I want to see how big the white guy was. I get the feeling he was probably like 5'8" 170. If that's the case, the argument that the puncher felt threatened is never going to fly. Telling a guy "what are you going to do about it", with your hands in your pockets isn't exactly provoking. Sounds more like a guy trying to find an excuse to avoid murder charges.

I'd really like to see the video footage.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

omg! damn you, jeff! because of you i missed this epic topic.

those who feel like the black bruh shouldn't have hit the provoker need to get real. blacks or any ethnicity that come from hood are programmed to react differently in those situations. it's either hit or get hit with some of these guys and dude just played off his instincts. im not saying it was right, it's just is what it is. white dude wanted a n!gga reaction and he got one. too bad it was fatal. bruh should get manslaughter for a minimum of 3-5 imo.

[BRabbiT]

link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/12/hearing-set-man-accused-throwing-fatal-punch-race-/)
[QUOTE]
A surveillance video that captured their actions as they left the restroom showed Massie in front of the Burger King at O

[Patrick Chewing]

omg! damn you, jeff! because of you i missed this epic topic.

those who feel like the black bruh shouldn't have hit the provoker need to get real. blacks or any ethnicity that come from hood are programmed to react differently in those situations. it's either hit or get hit with some of these guys and dude just played off his instincts. im not saying it was right, it's just is what it is. white dude wanted a n!gga reaction and he got one. too bad it was fatal. bruh should get manslaughter for a minimum of 3-5 imo.

Sad, bro. Real sad. The whole point is that blacks should want to distance themselves from a "n*gga reaction" as you said. If blacks can't see the difference, then their culture will never succeed in America and there will always be issues of race being brought up as a scapegoat. By all intents and purposes, this seemed like an educated black man with a job who should have known better and been able to control his emotions. To say that their culture is programmed to react like this is total bullshit and a horrible excuse.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Sad, bro. Real sad. The whole point is that blacks should want to distance themselves from a "n*gga reaction" as you said. If blacks can't see the difference, then their culture will never succeed in America and there will always be issues of race being brought up as a scapegoat. By all intents and purposes, this seemed like an educated black man with a job who should have known better and been able to control his emotions. To say that their culture is programmed to react like this is total bullshit and a horrible excuse.

lol do you honestly believe it is that simple? who the fukk are you to tell blacks to control their emotions. it's stupidity like this is why race problems is still going on.

yeah, it's sad. but it's reality. im not saying all blacks act like this, but most know what time it is. it's natural for humans to react when they feel threatened. and the dudes wife was there... do you know how that would've felt if he'd just walked away while being demeaned in front of his wife? no you wouldn't, because you're a pussie (which im not surprised because you're a knick fan)!

[Rasheed1]

Sad, bro. Real sad. The whole point is that blacks should want to distance themselves from a "n*gga reaction" as you said. If blacks can't see the difference, then their culture will never succeed in America and there will always be issues of race being brought up as a scapegoat. By all intents and purposes, this seemed like an educated black man with a job who should have known better and been able to control his emotions. To say that their culture is programmed to react like this is total bullshit and a horrible excuse.



this is not a black reaction so much as it is an american reaction.... if the guy had been white? there would be a whole bunch of these same posters screaming EPIC BRO!

but since race plays an issue, some people get sensitive and wanna stop the violence all of a sudden....

lets be real... I know alot of white guys who wouldve done the same thing.. upon confrontation some people act and some dont :confusedshrug: you never know who will do what... thats why you watch ya mouth in this world

its really that simple... no lesson about blacks or whites... just watch yourself and dont be so fast to play 'hard core'

[Patrick Chewing]

lol do you honestly believe it is that simple? who the fukk are you to tell blacks to control their emotions. it's stupidity like this is why race problems is still going on.

yeah, it's sad. but it's reality. im not saying all blacks act like this, but most know what time it is. it's natural for humans to react when they feel threatened. and the dudes wife was there... do you know how that would've felt if he'd just walked away while being demeaned in front of his wife? no you wouldn't, because you're a pussie (which im not surprised because you're a knick fan)!


I'm nobody, but if blacks keep this cycle on violence going, then when does it end? When all of ya'll are in prison? No it's not easy, but it has to start somewhere. But of course it's impossible when there aren't enough even credible black leaders in the black community today. I'm an American citizen who's tired of seeing Americans fight with one another over stupid reasons like this. To say they know "what time it is" means nothing, just stupid arrogance on their part or even yours.

You're no doctor or historian, so don't come at with this is a natural human reaction when threatened. This is a coward's reaction at best. Ya'll clowns act so tough, but I bet you don't have the heart to throw a punch cause you know of the repercussions. If some dumbass was using racial slurs against me, I'd walk away. If you ain't got the heart to do that, then you ain't man enough, just another bitch with some with some thin ass skin. LOL at all these wannabe badasses on here :oldlol:

[Rasheed1]

I'm nobody, but if blacks keep this cycle on violence going, then when does it end? When all of ya'll are in prison? No it's not easy, but it has to start somewhere. But of course it's impossible when there aren't enough even credible black leaders in the black community today. I'm an American citizen who's tired of seeing Americans fight with one another over stupid reasons like this. To say they know "what time it is" means nothing, just stupid arrogance on their part or even yours.

You're no doctor or historian, so don't come at with this is a natural human reaction when threatened. This is a coward's reaction at best. Ya'll clowns act so tough, but I bet you don't have the heart to throw a punch cause you know of the repercussions. If some dumbass was using racial slurs against me, I'd walk away. If you ain't got the heart to do that, then you ain't man enough, just another bitch with some with some thin ass skin. LOL at all these wannabe badasses on here :oldlol:


:facepalm

[ace23]

link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/12/hearing-set-man-accused-throwing-fatal-punch-race-/)








http://media.trb.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2011-07/63044676-06135230.jpg





so, he turned to walk away, then spun around and clocked the victim.

what a class move:rolleyes:


i know this is considered manslaughter, and likely will be in this case.

i still think this is a murder, though.

that punch wasn't instinct taking over. he threw ALL his weight into that cheap shot.

fukcin murderer.
So you think this would have been attempted murder had he not died? :facepalm

It's manslaughter.

[Rysio]

I'm nobody, but if blacks keep this cycle on violence going, then when does it end? When all of ya'll are in prison? No it's not easy, but it has to start somewhere. But of course it's impossible when there aren't enough even credible black leaders in the black community today. I'm an American citizen who's tired of seeing Americans fight with one another over stupid reasons like this. To say they know "what time it is" means nothing, just stupid arrogance on their part or even yours.

You're no doctor or historian, so don't come at with this is a natural human reaction when threatened. This is a coward's reaction at best. Ya'll clowns act so tough, but I bet you don't have the heart to throw a punch cause you know of the repercussions. If some dumbass was using racial slurs against me, I'd walk away. If you ain't got the heart to do that, then you ain't man enough, just another bitch with some with some thin ass skin. LOL at all these wannabe badasses on here :oldlol:
:applause:

[BRabbiT]

So you think this would have been attempted murder had he not died? :facepalm

It's manslaughter.




nah, in my eyes a murder was committed.

i know, i know. the legal system has a well defined way of classifying these types of acts.

that's not my point.

though, i know i'm in the minority on this one:confusedshrug:

[DCL]

a weak white man should not be talking so much sh!t. ONE PUNCH??? lmao

[donald_trump]

a weak white man should not be talking so much sh!t. ONE PUNCH??? lmao

you do realize this could happen to brock lesnar, mike tyson, anyone really? just if youre hit in the right place.

this place of full of wannabe hardasses who think they'd sort shit out. funny thing is whenever the height and weight threads come around most of you are 6'0 and 150lbs. :oldlol:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

I'm nobody, but if blacks keep this cycle on violence going, then when does it end? When all of ya'll are in prison? No it's not easy, but it has to start somewhere. But of course it's impossible when there aren't enough even credible black leaders in the black community today. I'm an American citizen who's tired of seeing Americans fight with one another over stupid reasons like this. To say they know "what time it is" means nothing, just stupid arrogance on their part or even yours.

You're no doctor or historian, so don't come at with this is a natural human reaction when threatened. This is a coward's reaction at best. Ya'll clowns act so tough, but I bet you don't have the heart to throw a punch cause you know of the repercussions. If some dumbass was using racial slurs against me, I'd walk away. If you ain't got the heart to do that, then you ain't man enough, just another bitch with some with some thin ass skin. LOL at all these wannabe badasses on here :oldlol:

i've seen some dumb sh!t in this forum, but you sir, maybe be the biggest ass clown to date.

are you even hearing yourself? you've just contradicted your earlier statement by calling me and the people who felt bruh actions was justified as "clowns."

not only are you a hypocrite, but you obviously have some hidden agenda because your bigotry is really showing.

i just love how you think people should walk away from confrontation and yet call them cowards if they don't. thank you for sharing such great logic:rolleyes: