How many seasons was Kobe the best player in the league?

[ThaSwagg3r]

I would say he was arguably the best player for seasons, 2005-2010.

I would say of those seasons, he was the best player in 2005-2006, 2007-2008, 2008-2009, and 2009-2010. 2006-2007, I would say Tim Duncan was the best player in the league. Kobe was definitely top 3 at the worst that season though.

Post-season play counts a lot for me in these rankings and I think Kobe was the best player in the league for four seasons. 2008-2009 is arguable with LeBron since LeBron was legendary in both regular season and playoffs. I still think Kobe was better that season because he also dominated in both the regular season and the post-season. He wasn't named the 2009 Finals MVP for no reason.

The only seasons I know for sure Kobe was the best in the league was 2007-2008 and 2009-2010. I am positive for the most part Kobe was the best in 2005-2006, but I could see an argument for Wade. I obviously see an argument for LeBron in 2008-2009 as I stated earlier in this post. I don't see any arguments for any player as the best player in the league in 2007-2008 and 2009-2010. Maybe LeBron in 2009-2010, but his mediocre performance and quitting against the Celtics changed that.

[Jacks3]

He was the best in 06 and 07.

In 08 he was pretty much tied with CP3 and LBJ.

2009 and 2010 he has no case over LeBron. Top 2 or 3 depending on where you place Wade.

[Big#50]

He was the best in 06 and 07.

In 08 he was pretty much tied with CP3 and LBJ.

2009 and 2010 he has no case over LeBron. Top 2 or 3 depending on where you place Wade.
07 Duncan was the best player in the league. 06 Kobe was chucking. 05 Kobe sucked.

[AlphaWolf24]

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[chazzy]

06-08

[Big#50]

KobeStan circle jerk in effect.

[AlphaWolf24]

KobeStan circle jerk in effect.

so mad

[Big#50]

so mad
Lakers fan way longer than you.

[ShaqAttack3234]

06-08

Yeah, those 3 seasons. Pretty obvious to me.

[Jacks3]

07 Duncan was the best player in the league. 06 Kobe was chucking. 05 Kobe sucked.
Um ok.

[TylerOO]

:roll: :roll: :roll: lebron was clearly the best player in 2008-2009, 2009-2010. BABABAHAHAHAHHA getcha getcha google?

[AlphaWolf24]

Lakers fan way longer than you.


hahh..i got a Swen Nater jersey older then you...

BTW..Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since 2001 and already voted the greatest player of the 00's



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[TylerOO]

hahh..i got a Swen Nater jersey older then you...

BTW..Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since 2001 and already voted the greatest player of the 00's



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no way your over 20. :oldlol: all your posts are so bitchy and childish. :roll: :roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

no way your over 20. :oldlol: all your posts are so bitchy and childish. :roll: :roll:

no way your a man.....who say's "bitchy"???


i got Creepers and Rayon shirts older then you....


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[TylerOO]

no way your a man.....who say's "bitchy"???


i got Creepers and Rayon shirts older then you....


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http://i.imgur.com/AnSsn.gif

[thejumpa]

hahh..i got a Swen Nater jersey older then you...

BTW..Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since 2001 and already voted the greatest player of the 00's



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:roll:

[Big#50]

hahh..i got a Swen Nater jersey older then you...

BTW..Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since 2001 and already voted the greatest player of the 00's



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LOL sidekick till 04. You're like 17.

[AlphaWolf24]

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can't F@ck wit Turbo son!

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[TylerOO]

can't F@ck wit Turbo son!

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/2036042_o.gif

:lol :lol

[Lucifer]

Dunno, but he was the best or top 5 the entire decade, while others fell off he was still good making him the best player for the decade. MJ would have been second best in the league if he played during Shaq`s prime years in 99-03.

[Big#50]

Dunno, but he was the best or top 5 the entire decade, while others fell off he was still good making him the best player for the decade. MJ would have been second best in the league if he played during Shaq`s prime years in 99-03.
Duncan was the best player in 99, 02, 03.

[AlphaWolf24]

LOL sidekick till 04. You're like 17.


01' Playoff's....29PPG 7REB 6AST....Wade in 06' playoff's 27PPG 6REB 5AST

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Shaq bieng benched in Crunchtime so Kobe can close the game....Shaq skillset = bieng the last option in the most important part of the game....


17?...maybe in 1988

:lol next

[knightfall88]

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. 2010

[AlphaWolf24]

2001,2002,2003,2005,2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. 2010


fixed

[AlphaWolf24]

:roll:


Phil and Shaq and ESPN said it....



:roll: @U



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[Scholar]

I think he was the best from 2000-2002, then McGrady had that amazing season in 2003 (though Kobe's performance was arguably better than T-Mac's), & Kobe picked up where he left off in 2005-2009. LeBron was the best player in 2010.

[Jacks3]

00-02 Kobe wasn't better than prime Shaq and Duncan. :wtf:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dunno, but he was the best or top 5 the entire decade,

Nah, not 2000 or 2005.


Duncan was the best player in 99, 02, 03.

Not '02. It was still Shaq's league then. Duncan passed him in '03.



Shaq bieng benched in Crunchtime so Kobe can close the game....Shaq skillset = bieng the last option in the most important part of the game....


:oldlol: if you actually believe this then either you've lied so much thta you believe your own lies, or you didn't watch the 3peat.

[Simple Jack]

:roll: @ AlphaWolf

You trolling on purpose? I'm not so sure this time.

[Force]

Kobe has never been the best player in the league.

[Nash-tastic]

2006
2007
2008

Easy.

Wade was better in 2009.
LeBron was better in 2010.

[Force]

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. 2010

WOW. LOL @ your stupid and wrong opinion.

[ThaSwagg3r]

Kobe has never been the best player in the league.
List the best players from 2005-2010. I'm really interested to see who was considered the best to you in 2007-2008. I will laugh my ass off if you say LeBron for 07-08.

[Toizumi]

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says.. go watch any Laker game from that period and tell me Shaq wasn't the most valuable piece for those teams. Kobe was great, but not as big a threat, or unique a player as Shaq.
Also, during those years Duncan, KG, Shaq, Iverson won MVP's, while Kobe only came in third in '03 and never higher than 5th. He was a top 10 player, even top 5 (depending on the year), but clearly not the best.

04-05 he was stuck on a rebuilding (bad team). Not his fault. had some personal issues as well. Not a great season for the Lakers, or for Kobe (third team). It's not like he lost his skills or whatever, but things just didnt go right. He was third team for a reason and wasn't the best player in the league that year.

05-06 - Arguably Kobe's finest year. Took a bad team to the playoffs, almost single handidly. set all sorts of scoring records as well. He worked with a bad roster, which explains why he only finished 4th in MVP voting (didn't have much team succes). He was at his best as a scorer though. All his other numbers dipped a bit, but he realized what he had to do for the team to be successful.. Pretty much no player has a case of being better than Kobe for that year.. Nash won MVP, but he was never on Kobe's level. Nowitzki wasn't either. IMO Kobe was the best that season.

06-07 - Nowitzki won MVP, Duncan won a championship, LeBron carried his team to the finals. Kobe, again, didnt have much to work with that year. Put up great numbers, but got ousted in the first round again (not his fault, bad roster..). Still for the regular season, Dirk was great.. and LeBron carried a weak squad to the finals (and looked better than Kobe for the season IMO). Kobe has a case for being the best player that year.. but he misses out in my opinion.

07-08 - Kobe won MVP.. it was overdue. He didn't have the same impact that KG had on the C's (although Kobe, at this point, was the better player than KG). I think Kobe was second best that year. LeBron had a great regular season (lol). Kobe came short in the finals, but the Lakers had a great year. Best player that season: between Kobe and LeBron. I'd say LeBron, but it's arguable.

08-09 - Lakers win the title. Kobe finishes second in MVP voting to LeBron, who was crazy good that season. Kobe's team had a better playoff run, but LeBron was the best player in the league.. had a more complete game, carried his entire team (pretty weak roster) and eventhough he came up short in the playoffs (he's known for that, lol) he was a better player.

In terms of skills, nobody topped LeBron after that season. He's a great overall player. Even this season, with the choking and awfull finals, I'd say he was the best player in the league (he just messes up when it matters most..) 90% of the time he was the best player in the L (skill/talent wise).

Also, for this season (playoffs included) Nowitzki's great run has to be taken into account. Rose had a great regular season as well. Durant also. Kobe was great.. but some players have overtaken him



Kobe ranks high for this decade because he was a factor pretty much every year. Not the best player though, except for one or two seasons (3 tops).

[Rnbizzle]

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says.. go watch any Laker game from that period and tell me Shaq wasn't the most valuable piece for those teams. Kobe was great, but not as big a threat, or unique a player as Shaq.
Also, during those years Duncan, KG, Shaq, Iverson won MVP's, while Kobe only came in third in '03 and never higher than 5th. He was a top 10 player, even top 5 (depending on the year), but clearly not the best.

04-05 he was stuck on a rebuilding (bad team). Not his fault. had some personal issues as well. Not a great season for the Lakers, or for Kobe (third team). It's not like he lost his skills or whatever, but things just didnt go right. He was third team for a reason and wasn't the best player in the league that year.

05-06 - Arguably Kobe's finest year. Took a bad team to the playoffs, almost single handidly. set all sorts of scoring records as well. He worked with a bad roster, which explains why he only finished 4th in MVP voting (didn't have much team succes). He was at his best as a scorer though. All his other numbers dipped a bit, but he realized what he had to do for the team to be successful.. Pretty much no player has a case of being better than Kobe for that year.. Nash won MVP, but he was never on Kobe's level. Nowitzki wasn't either. IMO Kobe was the best that season.

06-07 - Nowitzki won MVP, Duncan won a championship, LeBron carried his team to the finals. Kobe, again, didnt have much to work with that year. Put up great numbers, but got ousted in the first round again (not his fault, bad roster..). Still for the regular season, Dirk was great.. and LeBron carried a weak squad to the finals (and looked better than Kobe for the season IMO). Kobe has a case for being the best player that year.. but he misses out in my opinion.

07-08 - Kobe won MVP.. it was overdue. He didn't have the same impact that KG had on the C's (although Kobe, at this point, was the better player than KG). I think Kobe was second best that year. LeBron had a great regular season (lol). Kobe came short in the finals, but the Lakers had a great year. Best player that season: between Kobe and LeBron. I'd say LeBron, but it's arguable.

08-09 - Lakers win the title. Kobe finishes second in MVP voting to LeBron, who was crazy good that season. Kobe's team had a better playoff run, but LeBron was the best player in the league.. had a more complete game, carried his entire team (pretty weak roster) and eventhough he came up short in the playoffs (he's known for that, lol) he was a better player.

In terms of skills, nobody topped LeBron after that season. He's a great overall player. Even this season, with the choking and awfull finals, I'd say he was the best player in the league (he just messes up when it matters most..) 90% of the time he was the best player in the L (skill/talent wise).

Also, for this season (playoffs included) Nowitzki's great run has to be taken into account. Rose had a great regular season as well. Durant also. Kobe was great.. but some players have overtaken him



Kobe ranks high for this decade because he was a factor pretty much every year. Not the best player though, except for one or two seasons (3 tops).
:applause:

[Anaximandro1]

1996-97 Jordan

1997-98 Jordan

1998-99 Duncan

1999-00 Shaq

2000-01 Shaq

2001-02 Shaq

2002-03 Duncan

2003-04 KG

2004-05 Duncan

2005-06 Wade (great regular season,unbelievable postseason)

2006-07 Duncan (dominated when it counted)

2007-08 Kobe

2008-09 Bron

2009-10 Bron

2010-11 Dirk


-This is pretty telling

(NBA.com) GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?

2002
1. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers
2. Tim Duncan,San Antonio

2003
1. Tim Duncan,San Antonio
2. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers

2004
1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 47.6%
2 Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 28.6%
3 LeBron James, Cleveland 14.3%
4 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 9.5

2005
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 40.0%
2. LeBron James, Cleveland 36.0%
3. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 8.0%
4. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix 8.0%

2006
1 LeBron James, Cleveland 71.4%
2 Dwyane Wade, Miami 10.7%

2007

1. LeBron James, Cleveland 59.3%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 25.9%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 11.1%
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 11.1%
5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 3.7%

2008

1. LeBron James -- 66.7%
2. Kobe Bryant -- 18.5%
3. Dwight Howard -- 11.1%
4. Chris Paul - 3.7%

2009

1. LeBron James, Cleveland 78.6%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 14.3%
3. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 7.1%

2010

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City 55.6%
2. LeBron James, Miami 25.9%
3. Dwight Howard, Magic 7.4%
Kobe Bryant, Lakers 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami 3.7%

[Irish]

There is a difference between the 'best' player and the player that has the 'best production'

If we are solely using the marker of 'best' player, it could be argued that Kobe was the 'best' from 2003-2010, even if his production was hindered by form or situation.

Comparing it to other sports, between 2003+2004 Tiger Woods was still the 'best' in the world at golf, even if he was majorless, going through swing changes and usurped at number 1 in the rankings.

Brian Lara was the best batsman in cricket for a long period, and he played on some awful teams, and ran into bad form, as is said 'Class is permanent, form is temporary.'

If Real Madrid had won La Liga by a point, does that make Ronaldo better than Messi? In facets yes, but overall as a player no.


Going by production Kobe would be 2005-6 and 2007-8 only in my book, with 2006-7 2008-10 and 2002-3 being up there as well but being bettered by the likes of Duncan and James.

[JohnnySic]

I'll give Kobe the '05-06 season and that's it. Shaq and Duncan were better than him prior to that and LeBron surpassed him after that. But Kobe was top-3 for a long while and that's nothing to sneeze at.

[ZaaaaaH]

Kobe was the BEST since SHAQ himself gave away being the Best to KOBE.

[juju151111]

hahh..i got a Swen Nater jersey older then you...

BTW..Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since 2001 and already voted the greatest player of the 00's



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Kobe was better then Shaq in 2001? News to me
I could of sworn the 2001 Lakers ran through Shaq and Shaq got the finals Mvp, but hey don't let facts get in ur way.

[Ikill]

He was only hands down best for one season 06 but Lebron was only best for one season too 2010 and Wade so far none. 06-08 Kobe was the best player in the NBA

[Eat Like A Bosh]

It's very debatable on whether he was the best or not, but he maintained a top 3 status for quite a while now

[Eric Cartman]

Who is the best at what and where do you get it?

[Odinn]

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says.. go watch any Laker game from that period and tell me Shaq wasn't the most valuable piece for those teams. Kobe was great, but not as big a threat, or unique a player as Shaq.
Also, during those years Duncan, KG, Shaq, Iverson won MVP's, while Kobe only came in third in '03 and never higher than 5th. He was a top 10 player, even top 5 (depending on the year), but clearly not the best.

04-05 he was stuck on a rebuilding (bad team). Not his fault. had some personal issues as well. Not a great season for the Lakers, or for Kobe (third team). It's not like he lost his skills or whatever, but things just didnt go right. He was third team for a reason and wasn't the best player in the league that year.

05-06 - Arguably Kobe's finest year. Took a bad team to the playoffs, almost single handidly. set all sorts of scoring records as well. He worked with a bad roster, which explains why he only finished 4th in MVP voting (didn't have much team succes). He was at his best as a scorer though. All his other numbers dipped a bit, but he realized what he had to do for the team to be successful.. Pretty much no player has a case of being better than Kobe for that year.. Nash won MVP, but he was never on Kobe's level. Nowitzki wasn't either. IMO Kobe was the best that season.

06-07 - Nowitzki won MVP, Duncan won a championship, LeBron carried his team to the finals. Kobe, again, didnt have much to work with that year. Put up great numbers, but got ousted in the first round again (not his fault, bad roster..). Still for the regular season, Dirk was great.. and LeBron carried a weak squad to the finals (and looked better than Kobe for the season IMO). Kobe has a case for being the best player that year.. but he misses out in my opinion.

07-08 - Kobe won MVP.. it was overdue. He didn't have the same impact that KG had on the C's (although Kobe, at this point, was the better player than KG). I think Kobe was second best that year. LeBron had a great regular season (lol). Kobe came short in the finals, but the Lakers had a great year. Best player that season: between Kobe and LeBron. I'd say LeBron, but it's arguable.

08-09 - Lakers win the title. Kobe finishes second in MVP voting to LeBron, who was crazy good that season. Kobe's team had a better playoff run, but LeBron was the best player in the league.. had a more complete game, carried his entire team (pretty weak roster) and eventhough he came up short in the playoffs (he's known for that, lol) he was a better player.

In terms of skills, nobody topped LeBron after that season. He's a great overall player. Even this season, with the choking and awfull finals, I'd say he was the best player in the league (he just messes up when it matters most..) 90% of the time he was the best player in the L (skill/talent wise).

Also, for this season (playoffs included) Nowitzki's great run has to be taken into account. Rose had a great regular season as well. Durant also. Kobe was great.. but some players have overtaken him



Kobe ranks high for this decade because he was a factor pretty much every year. Not the best player though, except for one or two seasons (3 tops).
Excellent post.:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

There is a difference between the 'best' player and the player that has the 'best production'

If we are solely using the marker of 'best' player, it could be argued that Kobe was the 'best' from 2003-2010, even if his production was hindered by form or situation.

Comparing it to other sports, between 2003+2004 Tiger Woods was still the 'best' in the world at golf, even if he was majorless, going through swing changes and usurped at number 1 in the rankings.

Brian Lara was the best batsman in cricket for a long period, and he played on some awful teams, and ran into bad form, as is said 'Class is permanent, form is temporary.'

If Real Madrid had won La Liga by a point, does that make Ronaldo better than Messi? In facets yes, but overall as a player no.


Going by production Kobe would be 2005-6 and 2007-8 only in my book, with 2006-7 2008-10 and 2002-3 being up there as well but being bettered by the likes of Duncan and James.

Good post

[Heavincent]

05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10

[All Net]

06
07
08

For sure and been up there in other years

[Scoooter]

Arguably none.

[gengiskhan]

2-3 yrs at the most. 2006-2008. 2 years is more accurate. 2007 & 2008.

2009-2010. LBJ was clearly the best player in the NBA

2009-2010. Wade was clearly the best SG in the NBA. Kobe was 2nd to Wade.

Kobe's best is 2007 & 2008 & he did win the NBA MVP there.

Wade has surpassed kobe in 2009 & 2010 clearly
Lebron was clearly much better player than Kobe in back-2-back MVP years with Cavs

There is no arguement there.

[Calabis]

I think Kobe has been the best player in the league for at least 6-7 seasons, team results/stats might say otherwise year to year, but if we are just talking about in terms of overall basketball talent ...Kobe imo has been that guy, its just not the huge gap, that people are looking for

[ThaSwagg3r]

It's hard to take someone that thinks LeBron was better than Kobe in 2008 seriously. 2009 and 2010? I get that although 2010 was more likely Kobe than LeBron.

There is a difference between the 'best' player and the player that has the 'best production'

If we are solely using the marker of 'best' player, it could be argued that Kobe was the 'best' from 2003-2010, even if his production was hindered by form or situation.

Comparing it to other sports, between 2003+2004 Tiger Woods was still the 'best' in the world at golf, even if he was majorless, going through swing changes and usurped at number 1 in the rankings.

Brian Lara was the best batsman in cricket for a long period, and he played on some awful teams, and ran into bad form, as is said 'Class is permanent, form is temporary.'

If Real Madrid had won La Liga by a point, does that make Ronaldo better than Messi? In facets yes, but overall as a player no.


Going by production Kobe would be 2005-6 and 2007-8 only in my book, with 2006-7 2008-10 and 2002-3 being up there as well but being bettered by the likes of Duncan and James.
:applause: Great post.

[Theoo's Daddy]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Originally Posted by Irish
There is a difference between the 'best' player and the player that has the 'best production'

If we are solely using the marker of 'best' player, it could be argued that Kobe was the 'best' from 2003-2010, even if his production was hindered by form or situation.

Comparing it to other sports, between 2003+2004 Tiger Woods was still the 'best' in the world at golf, even if he was majorless, going through swing changes and usurped at number 1 in the rankings.

Brian Lara was the best batsman in cricket for a long period, and he played on some awful teams, and ran into bad form, as is said 'Class is permanent, form is temporary.'

If Real Madrid had won La Liga by a point, does that make Ronaldo better than Messi? In facets yes, but overall as a player no.


Going by production Kobe would be 2005-6 and 2007-8 only in my book, with 2006-7 2008-10 and 2002-3 being up there as well but being bettered by the likes of Duncan and James.

[pauk]

I would say he was arguably the best player for seasons, 2005-2010.

I would say of those seasons, he was the best player in 2005-2006, 2007-2008, 2008-2009, and 2009-2010. 2006-2007, I would say Tim Duncan was the best player in the league. Kobe was definitely top 3 at the worst that season though.

Post-season play counts a lot for me in these rankings and I think Kobe was the best player in the league for four seasons. 2008-2009 is arguable with LeBron since LeBron was legendary in both regular season and playoffs. I still think Kobe was better that season because he also dominated in both the regular season and the post-season. He wasn't named the 2009 Finals MVP for no reason.

The only seasons I know for sure Kobe was the best in the league was 2007-2008 and 2009-2010. I am positive for the most part Kobe was the best in 2005-2006, but I could see an argument for Wade. I obviously see an argument for LeBron in 2008-2009 as I stated earlier in this post. I don't see any arguments for any player as the best player in the league in 2007-2008 and 2009-2010. Maybe LeBron in 2009-2010, but his mediocre performance and quitting against the Celtics changed that.


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LEBRON HAS BEEN PLAYING... PERFORMING.. PRODUCING.. BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE PROBABLY HIS 2ND YEAR IN THE NBA!!!!!! LMFAO @ THESE KOBETARDS

[quick96]

I would have to say approximately thirteen to fifteen years.

[Theoo's Daddy]

CP3 was the best player in 2008, not kobe.

[All Net]

CP3 was the best player in 2008, not kobe.
He was up there but certainly wasn't the best

[Heavincent]

LEBRON HAS BEEN PLAYING... PERFORMING.. PRODUCING.. BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE PROBABLY HIS 2ND YEAR IN THE NBA!!!!!! LMFAO @ THESE KOBETARDS

This is pretty funny coming from the biggest Lebron stan on the face of the planet.

And turn off the caps lock. I know you're upset because not everybody is on Lebron's nuts like you, but there is no need for the constant caps lock.

[boozehound]

Arguably none.
this. what years would you rather have him over shaq or duncan? once they decline, over lebron? THis is why "best" player is such a meaningless term that only fanbois get caught up in. Championships are better than best player accolades.

[boozehound]

hes right though. Lebron has been the most dominant player since his sophomore year.

[All Net]

hes right though. Lebron has been the most dominant player since his sophomore year.
He been up there before 09 but has purely the stats you have to base it on everything. He been the past the past two years though

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LEBRON HAS BEEN PLAYING... PERFORMING.. PRODUCING.. BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE PROBABLY HIS 2ND YEAR IN THE NBA!!!!!! LMFAO @ THESE KOBETARDS

Do you watch the playoffs?

[Theoo's Daddy]

He was up there but certainly wasn't the best
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Kobe 38MPG -- 28PPG on 45% FG/6.3RPG/5.4 APG/3TPG/1.8 SPG/36% from 3pt/84%FT

CP3 38MPG - 23PPG on 50% FG/5.5 RPG/11APG/3TPG/2.8 SPG/36% from 3pt/86%FT


CP3 lead the league in steals and assists..

[DMAVS41]

06-08

I agree to an extent.

Although it was never clear cut.

I personally think Wade was better in 06....and a good argument can be made for Duncan as well. I just can't give Kobe "best player in game" status after the Suns series while Wade was a beast in the playoffs....and while Duncan did his usual in the playoffs:

26/11/3 on 57% fg 63% TS....and was one Dirk clutch game 7 away from probably winning another title. The spurs won 63 games that year as well. The 06 Spurs/Duncan seem to be really under-rated here.

Hard to argue with Duncan or Lebron for 07 as well. This was Duncan's last elite year and he was still damn good. I'd probably take what Duncan provided over Kobe in 07, but its close.

Kobe gets the nod (over Lebron) for 08 though because he was so good in the playoffs until the finals.

[RazorBaLade]

I agree to an extent.

Although it was never clear cut.

I personally think Wade was better in 06....and a good argument can be made for Duncan as well. I just can't give Kobe "best player in game" status after the Suns series while Wade was a beast in the playoffs....and while Duncan did his usual in the playoffs:

26/11/3 on 57% fg 63% TS....and was one Dirk clutch game 7 away from probably winning another title.

Hard to argue with Duncan or Lebron for 07 as well. This was Duncan's last elite year and he was still damn good. I'd probably take what Duncan provided over Kobe in 07, but its close.

Kobe gets the nod (over Lebron) for 08 though because he was so good in the playoffs until the finals.

what were kobes statlines in each of these games he played in the 06 suns series? i seem to recall utter domination of the suns

[DMAVS41]

what were kobes statlines in each of these games he played in the 06 suns series? i seem to recall utter domination of the suns

he played well overall for sure. no doubt.

utter domination? hardly.....revisionist history at its finest right there. the suns were very poor defensively as well.

Kobe was really bad in game 1. 7-21 22 points
Kobe was really good in game 2. 12-24 29 points
Kobe was bad in game 3. 6-18 17 points
Kobe was really good in game 4. 9-14 24 points
Kobe was great in games 5 and 6 (he did airball the series winner in game 6). 10-17 29 points /// 20-35 50 points
Kobe was horrible in game 7. 8-16 24 points (quit in 2nd half)

He ended up with 28/6/5 on solid efficiency across the board. But his game 7 and his inability to close game 6 hurts him. Especially if this is a best player in the game discussion with guys like Wade and Duncan beasting.

[pauk]

Do you watch the playoffs?

**** is that supposed to mean?????? THRU OUT HIS CAREER THATS WHERE LEBRON ESPECIALLY HAS BEEN PRODUCING BETTER THAN ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!! BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE ONLY MICHAEL FREAKIN JORDAN..................

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and back in 2009 he had the 2ND single most productive PLAYOFF performance in NBA HISTORY!!!!!
kobe as pathetic and overrated as he is came as close to place #73 as single most most productive PLAYOFF performance............
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html

THATS WHERE LEBRONS COMPANY IS.......... YOU WONT FIND KOBE ANYWHERE NEAR THESE ALL-TIME GREATS.......... THESE ARE THE TIER 1 TALANTS-SKILLS OF ALL TIME......... KOBE IS MORE LIKE TIER 2-3.......... KOBE WAS ALWAYS JUST AN INEFFICIENT RIDICILOUSLY SELFISH BALLHOGING SHOTJACKING JORDAN WANNABE....

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[IGOTGAME]

he played well overall for sure. no doubt.

utter domination? hardly.....revisionist history at its finest right there. the suns were very poor defensively as well.

Kobe was really bad in game 1. 7-21 22 points
Kobe was really good in game 2. 12-24 29 points
Kobe was bad in game 3. 6-18 17 points
Kobe was really good in game 4. 9-14 24 points
Kobe was great in games 5 and 6 (he did airball the series winner in game 6). 10-17 29 points /// 20-35 50 points
Kobe was horrible in game 7. 8-16 24 points (quit in 2nd half)

He ended up with 28/6/5 on solid efficiency across the board. But his game 7 and his inability to close game 6 hurts him. Especially if this is a best player in the game discussion with guys like Wade and Duncan beasting.

I actually think this is revisionist history, Too this date, I think the first 6 games of this series were some of Kobe's best games ever in the playoffs. It went far beyond stats, he controlled all those games with his presence on the floor.

It wasn't his ability to close game 6...that was a team effort. They had the game closed until some bs happened. And even though Phx was not great defensively, Kobe going off scoring WOULD HAVE BEEN A HORRIBLE IDEA. If Kobe averaged 35 a game then the series is over in 5. But, someone like you would have prob ranked him higher though.

[Bigsmoke]

2006,2007, and in 2008.

[DMAVS41]

I actually think this is revisionist history, Too this date, I think the first 6 games of this series were some of Kobe's best games ever in the playoffs. It went far beyond stats, he controlled all those games with his presence on the floor.

At times? Of course.

I'd have to re watch some of the games, but I remember Kobe being really bad in game 1 and it was really close.

And its hard to excuse the 2nd half of game 7. Its one thing not to shoot, but Kobe went "lebron" and just stopped doing anything. He didn't rebound or create or defend in that game.

I think people also forget that Lamar Odom was an absolute beast that series as well.

[DuMa]

he was never the clear cut best player in the league.

[Odinn]

**** is that supposed to mean?????? THRU OUT HIS CAREER THATS WHERE LEBRON ESPECIALLY HAS BEEN PRODUCING BETTER THAN ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!! BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE ONLY MICHAEL FREAKIN JORDAN..................

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6467/careerplayoffper.jpg


and back in 2009 he had the 2ND single most productive PLAYOFF performance in NBA HISTORY!!!!!
kobe as pathetic and overrated as he is came as close to place #73 as single most most productive PLAYOFF performance............
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html

THATS WHERE LEBRONS COMPANY IS.......... YOU WONT FIND KOBE ANYWHERE NEAR THESE ALL-TIME GREATS.......... THESE ARE THE TIER 1 TALANTS-SKILLS OF ALL TIME......... KOBE IS MORE LIKE TIER 2-3.......... KOBE WAS ALWAYS JUST AN INEFFICIENT RIDICILOUSLY SELFISH BALLHOGING SHOTJACKING JORDAN WANNABE....

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7193/perplayoffs.jpg


PER... What a joke.:roll:

Claims;
2002&2006 Duncan >> 2003 Duncan.:roll:
2003 Shaq >> 2000 Shaq:roll:

:facepalm :facepalm

[gengiskhan]

**** is that supposed to mean?????? THRU OUT HIS CAREER THATS WHERE LEBRON ESPECIALLY HAS BEEN PRODUCING BETTER THAN ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!! BETTER THAN ANYBODY SINCE ONLY MICHAEL FREAKIN JORDAN..................

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6467/careerplayoffper.jpg


and back in 2009 he had the 2ND single most productive PLAYOFF performance in NBA HISTORY!!!!!
kobe as pathetic and overrated as he is came as close to place #73 as single most most productive PLAYOFF performance............
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html

THATS WHERE LEBRONS COMPANY IS.......... YOU WONT FIND KOBE ANYWHERE NEAR THESE ALL-TIME GREATS.......... THESE ARE THE TIER 1 TALANTS-SKILLS OF ALL TIME......... KOBE IS MORE LIKE TIER 2-3.......... KOBE WAS ALWAYS JUST AN INEFFICIENT RIDICILOUSLY SELFISH BALLHOGING SHOTJACKING JORDAN WANNABE....

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Nicely done

all gay kobe'tards OWNED!!!

now start committing suicide pigs.

[Theoo's Daddy]

he was never the clear cut best player in the league.


This..

[DMAVS41]

PER... What a joke.:roll:

Claims;
2002&2006 Duncan >> 2003 Duncan.:roll:
2003 Shaq >> 2000 Shaq:roll:

:facepalm :facepalm

It doesn't "claim" anything. It just says they were more productive based on the measures it uses.

You really need to open up your mind. Oh, and by the way...its just a stat that measures production. Here are the raw numbers for Duncan in 02 and 03 in the playoffs:

02 - 28 points 14 boards 5 assists
03 - 25 points 15 boards 5 assists

You make it sound like its absurd to say that Duncan in 02 produced similarly to what he did in 03. Its just a stat. Its needs context. Its not designed to tell you who the best player was...etc.

You would never solely use ppg to determine the best player. Why would it make sense to use solely PER?

[chazzy]

Nicely done

all gay kobe'tards OWNED!!!

now start committing suicide pigs.
You realize Kobe's PER is better than Oscar's? :oldlol:

[gengiskhan]

he was never the clear cut best player in the league.

this.

He was one of the best.

[DMAVS41]

this.

He was one of the best.

Yea, Shaq and Duncan really had a strangle hold on the NBA from 99 through 07.

I still think Kobe deserves best player status in 08, but you can definitely make an argument for Paul or KG. I think KG's 08 is really under-rated.

[Odinn]

It doesn't "claim" anything. It just says they were more productive based on the measures it uses.

You really need to open up your mind. Oh, and by the way...its just a stat that measures production. Here are the raw numbers for Duncan in 02 and 03 in the playoffs:

02 - 28 points 14 boards 5 assists
03 - 25 points 15 boards 5 assists

You make it sound like its absurd to say that Duncan in 02 produced similarly to what he did in 03. Its just a stat. Its needs context. Its not designed to tell you who the best player was...etc.

You would never solely use ppg to determine the best player. Why would it make sense to use solely PER?
I'd rather using EFF first of all. Secondly, in 2002 playoffs, Duncan wasn't efficient at all.

I didn't meant to claim Duncan was awful in 2002&2006. But 2003 playoffs Duncan's best playoffs.

2002 Playoffs PER; 31.8
2006 Playoffs PER; 30.4
2003 Playoffs PER; 28.4
2007 Playoffs PER; 27.4

Duncan's 2003 Playoffs, really better than 2007 Playoffs and look at how close their PER. Duncan shot higher fg in 2003, scored more points, averaged more rebounds/asissts/blocks and PER claims "the production" was really close...

PER and TS% too subjective IMO.

[gengiskhan]

Yea, Shaq and Duncan really had a strangle hold on the NBA from 99 through 07.

I still think Kobe deserves best player status in 08, but you can definitely make an argument for Paul or KG. I think KG's 08 is really under-rated.

Damb a5s kobe'tard dont understand one simple fact:

Kobe just didnt distance himself enough to claim he is clearly the best.

MJ did that to Drexler & 'Nique.

Hakeem did that to all the other '90s centers.

Shaq did that by sheer dominance in '99-'04. I mean, no one was more dominant during that time frame.

Kobe is one of the best but subjective. paul, McGrady, Iverson, Lebron & Wade all in conversation with Kobe & rightly so.

I like to give 2008 yr to Kobe cuz of MVP win. 2007 & 2008 may have been kobe's best years since 2002-2003.

[DMAVS41]

I'd rather using EFF first of all. Secondly, in 2002 playoffs, Duncan wasn't efficient at all.

I didn't meant to claim Duncan was awful in 2002&2006. But 2003 playoffs Duncan's best playoffs.

2002 Playoffs PER; 31.8
2006 Playoffs PER; 30.4
2003 Playoffs PER; 28.4
2007 Playoffs PER; 27.4

Duncan's 2003 Playoffs, really better than 2007 Playoffs and look at how close their PER.

PER and TS% too subjective IMO.

I agree. I prefer all the raw numbers. PER and TS are fine if you can't post the raw numbers.

What I like about PER is that it adjusts for how the game was played that year compared to the competition and pace....etc. Its a great tool for comparing across eras. That is really its value.

I just think PER is valuable because it adjusts for a lot of things the raw numbers don't.

[LA_Showtime]

05-06, 06-07, 07-08, with countless other seasons where he was easily top 3 and the best player at his position. There's nothing wrong with not being the best player or most dominant player in the league for the majority of your career, especially if you played in the Shaq, Duncan, and LeBron eras.

[gengiskhan]

I agree. I prefer all the raw numbers. PER and TS are fine if you can't post the raw numbers.

What I like about PER is that it adjusts for how the game was played that year compared to the competition and pace....etc. Its a great tool for comparing across eras. That is really its value.

I just think PER is valuable because it adjusts for a lot of things the raw numbers don't.

You & I will get the PER

how will the 10 yrs old dumb Kobe'tard will understand thsi PER stuff. To them, this is a PhD post graduate material. :facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kobe IMO was the absolute best player in the league for a three year stretch.

2006, 2007, and 2008.

He was top three player in 2003, 2009, and 2010.

He was a top five player in 2001, 2002, and 2004.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe IMO was the absolute best player in the league for a three year stretch.

2006, 2007, and 2008.

He was top three player in 2003, 2009, and 2010.

He was a top five player in 2001, 2002, and 2004.

i can see arguably the best for those years. i just don't see "absolute" best.

[BlueandGold]

no way your a man.....who say's "bitchy"???


i got Creepers and Rayon shirts older then you....


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btw your worthless, just thought you should realize it before its too late.

[Odinn]

I agree. I prefer all the raw numbers. PER and TS are fine if you can't post the raw numbers.

What I like about PER is that it adjusts for how the game was played that year compared to the competition and pace....etc. Its a great tool for comparing across eras. That is really its value.

I just think PER is valuable because it adjusts for a lot of things the raw numbers don't.
This is why I pay attention to PER. But to me, PER doesn't mean much. In general, I prefer the raw numbers also.

[LA_Showtime]

You & I will get the PER

how will the 10 yrs old dumb Kobe'tard will understand thsi PER stuff. To them, this is a PhD post graduate material. :facepalm

You don't even know what PhD stands for. :oldlol:

[BlueandGold]

Kobe IMO was the absolute best player in the league for a three year stretch.

2006, 2007, and 2008.

He was top three player in 2003, 2009, and 2010.

He was a top five player in 2001, 2002, and 2004.
Yea that sounds about right. Although I don't really agree with the concept of the "absolute best player in the league" for a number of reasons, one of which is position. How can you argue that Duncan is better than Kobe or Dwight is better than CP3? They all bring different things to the table. Like Jordan said there is no greatest player there is just being in the breathe with the greatest players in the league, and Kobe has been in that breathe ever since 02 arguably 01.

[Samurai Swoosh]

i can see arguably the best for those years. i just don't see "absolute" best.
Naturally. You don't like Kobe Bryant, and I am a fan of his ... admittedly.

If you want to throw arguable in there, that's fine.

During that time frame most of his peers, coaches, league execs would probably emphatically lean towards him being the best player in the game though.

[Flamboyant]

IMO here are the best performers by Regular Season (not necessarily the most valuables, just the best performers):
00: Shaq
01: Shaq
02: Duncan
03: T-Mac
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Kobe
07: Kobe
08: CP3
09: Wade
10: LeBron
11: Nowitzki

IMO here are the best performers by Play-Offs:
00: Shaq
01: Kobe
02: Shaq
03: Duncan
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Wade
07: Duncan
08: Kobe
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Nowitzki

It's kinda hard to mix regular season and playoff performances sometimes, but here's my overall choices:
00: Shaq
01: Shaq
02: Shaq
03: TD
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Kobe
07: Kobe
08: CP3
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Nowitzki

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Here are a few things that i should note:
- First and foremost: In 2001 Playoffs, Shaq outplayed Kobe when Lakers played Blazers, and Sixers. Neither of these teams had any shot at defeating LA. Kobe outplayed Shaq against Kings, and Spurs. These were the 3rd and 2nd best teams in the league respectively (Spurs even had HCA). While Shaq played great against these two teams as well, Kobe was legendary. Sure Shaq has a case for being the best in PO's as well. But those who think Kobe doesn't have a case are indeed the ones who are too young to have watched those games when they happened. It wasn't just one article who was calling Kobe the best, but rather a huge group of fans, media, coaches, and players (including Shaq himself).

- I'm really having a hard time understanding why would anyone that have Duncan as #1 for 07, b*tch about Kobe in 09, or 10. If anything Duncan had a cakewalk in 07, unlike Kobe, who was legendary in both playoffs.

- Why in the world would someone place LeBron at #1 for 2007. (bar his rookie season) He had his career lows in rpg, apg, ft%, 3p%, and his worst RS overall. Also his playoffs numbers were 25ppg/41%, and his Finals series were worse than Kobe 04.

[DMAVS41]

Naturally. You don't like Kobe Bryant, and I am a fan of his ... admittedly.

If you want to throw arguable in there, that's fine.

During that time frame most of his peers, coaches, league execs would probably emphatically lean towards him being the best player in the game though.

Well, it really doesn't have to do with liking him. I just think what a player like Duncan provides his more valuable. Because I think Duncan was a better overall player, I'm inclined to say Duncan was better in some of the years we are discussing.

Its not like I'm saying Kobe wasn't an elite player or something. I just would prefer Duncan. And I don't think its crazy to say Wade or Duncan was the best player in 06.

Which is why I have issue with someone saying "absolute"

[AlphaWolf24]

IMO here are the best performers by Regular Season (not necessarily the most valuables, just the best performers):
00: Shaq
01: Shaq
02: Duncan
03: T-Mac
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Kobe
07: Kobe
08: CP3
09: Wade
10: LeBron
11: Nowitzki

IMO here are the best performers by Play-Offs:
00: Shaq
01: Kobe
02: Shaq
03: Duncan
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Wade
07: Duncan
08: Kobe
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Nowitzki

It's kinda hard to mix regular season and playoff performances sometimes, but here's my overall choices:
00: Shaq
01: Shaq
02: Shaq
03: TD
04: KG
05: Nash
06: Kobe
07: Kobe
08: CP3
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Nowitzki

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Here are a few things that i should note:
- First and foremost: In 2001 Playoffs, Shaq outplayed Kobe when Lakers played Blazers, and Sixers. Neither of these teams had any shot at defeating LA. Kobe outplayed Shaq against Kings, and Spurs. These were the 3rd and 2nd best teams in the league respectively (Spurs even had HCA). While Shaq played great against these two teams as well, Kobe was legendary. Sure Shaq has a case for being the best in PO's as well. But those who think Kobe doesn't have a case are indeed the ones who are too young to have watched those games when they happened. It wasn't just one article who was calling Kobe the best, but rather a huge group of fans, media, coaches, and players (including Shaq himself).

- I'm really having a hard time understanding why would anyone that have Duncan as #1 for 07, b*tch about Kobe in 09, or 10. If anything Duncan had a cakewalk in 07, unlike Kobe, who was legendary in both playoffs.

- Why in the world would someone place LeBron at #1 for 2007. (bar his rookie season) He had his career lows in rpg, apg, ft%, 3p%, and his worst RS overall. Also his playoffs numbers were 25ppg/41%, and his Finals series were worse than Kobe 04.


This ...

exactly what I've been saying all along....Kobe was widely viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA as soon as 2001...

:lol @ these revisionists claiming Shaq, Duncan and Lebron were viewed as the best player all those years...

Kobe was being held up as the premiere player in the NBA in 2001....him and Shaq were Magic and Kareem V 2.0

Kobe getting so much attention in 01' was one of the reason's why his and Shaq's relationship was strained...

ESPN Jan 01' -

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2162000/AlphaWolf-2162827_2480_3229.jpg


Phil and Shaq both called Kobe the best player in the NBA in 2001

[ThaSwagg3r]

hes right though. Lebron has been the most dominant player since his sophomore year.
Um no, Kobe was better than LeBron until arguably 2009. 2007-2008 LeBron has no case over Kobe that season.

[Gifted Mind]

I would say in 2006 and 2008 he was the best player. Duncan was better in 2007 and LeBron better in 2009 and 2010.

[Jacks3]

Kobe IMO was the absolute best player in the league for a three year stretch.

2006, 2007, and 2008.

He was top three player in 2003, 2009, and 2010.

He was a top five player in 2001, 2002, and 2004.
this

[brownmamba00]

If you put Dirk as the best player this year just because of his playoff run, then so should Kobe get the first spot in '10
'06:Kobe
'07:Kobe (Bron close second)
'08:Kobe (CP3 close second)
'09:Bron (By far)
'10:Kobe
'11: Dirk

[ThaSwagg3r]

If you put Dirk as the best player this year just because of his playoff run, then so should Kobe in '10.

'06:Kobe
'07:Kobe (Bron close second)
'08:Kobe (CP3 close second)
'09:Bron (By far)
'10:Kobe
'11: Dirk
I combine both regular season success and playoff runs, but playoffs weigh much more than the regular season to me. Tim Duncan was the best in 2007 to me though with Kobe being 2nd and LeBron, Dirk, or Nash being 3rd.

That looks very accurate for the most part. :applause:

[brownmamba00]

I combine both regular season success and playoff runs, but playoffs weigh much more than the regular season to me. Tim Duncan was the best in 2007 to me though with Kobe being 2nd and LeBron, Dirk, or Nash being 3rd.

That looks very accurate for the most part. :applause:

Yeah you can def. make a case for Bron or TD in '07. And you're prob. right.
TD and Bron>Kobe in '07 sounds about right. And Bron in '09 is pretty much non-arguable imo.

[Big#50]

2000 Kobe was top ten
2001 Kobe was top five
2002 Kobe was top five
2003 Kobe was top five
2004 Kobe was top ten
2005 Kobe was top ten
2006 Kobe was top five
2007 Kobe was top five
2008 Kobe was the best
2009 Kobe was top five
2010 Kobe was top five
2011 Kobe was top ten

[che guevara]

2006, 2007 and 2008. You could argue Wade for 2006, Duncan for 2007 and Lebron or CP3 for 2008 but I'd take Kobe those three years. Lebron in 2009 and 2010 was better than Kobe ever was IMO, and this year Kobe probably wasn't a top 5 player.

[Odinn]

Post Jordan-era;

1999-Duncan (2nd is Shaq)
2000-Shaq (2nd is Duncan)
2001-Shaq (2nd is Duncan)
2002-Shaq (2nd is Duncan)
2003-Duncan (2nd is Shaq)
2004-Garnett (2nd is Shaq)
2005-Duncan (2nd is Shaq or Nash)
2006-Kobe (2nd is Duncan or Wade)
2007-Duncan (2nd is Kobe)
2008-Kobe (2nd is CP3)
2009-LeBron (2nd is Kobe)
2010-LeBron (2nd is Kobe or Wade)
2011-LeBron (2nd is Dirk or Wade)

[Theoo's Daddy]

I still don't see how kobe was better than CP3 in 2008. I really need some one to break this down for me, because it's not true.

[Odinn]

I still don't see how kobe was better than CP3 in 2008. I really need some one to break this down for me, because it's not true.
Here is your answer;
Post season success.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Here is your answer;
Post season success.

If you take both teams into consideration, the Kobe's cast >>>> CP3, obviously Phil as a Coach >>>>.. I still don't see it.

[Odinn]

If you take both teams into consideration, the Kobe's cast >>>> CP3, obviously Phil as a Coach >>>>.. I still don't see it.
Yeah. You absouletly don't...

[ThaSwagg3r]

If you take both teams into consideration, the Kobe's cast >>>> CP3, obviously Phil as a Coach >>>>.. I still don't see it.
You clearly don't remember Kobe's 08 cast if you think that is true. Gasol was really the only player that was good, Odom was still immature and stupid then, Bynum was injured for the playoffs, and the rest were a bunch of scrubs who were soft jump shooters.

And like Odinn said, post-season success. Kobe destroyed the Spurs in 5 while Chris Paul and the Hornets got eliminated by the Spurs in 7.

29/6/4 with 53% shooting was his numbers against the Spurs that series.

[Jacks3]

I still don't see how kobe was better than CP3 in 2008. I really need some one to break this down for me, because it's not true.
Much better scorer,better re-bounder,more skilled, better defender, much better at taking over games imo,better in the clutch, better post-season run.

[NBASTATMAN]

06-08


THIS .. :rockon: HOT AS SHIT IN NY.... BE SAFE ALL...

[Big#50]

This ...

exactly what I've been saying all along....Kobe was widely viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA as soon as 2001...

:lol @ these revisionists claiming Shaq, Duncan and Lebron were viewed as the best player all those years...

Kobe was being held up as the premiere player in the NBA in 2001....him and Shaq were Magic and Kareem V 2.0

Kobe getting so much attention in 01' was one of the reason's why his and Shaq's relationship was strained...

ESPN Jan 01' -

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2162000/AlphaWolf-2162827_2480_3229.jpg


Phil and Shaq both called Kobe the best player in the NBA in 2001
GTFO Kobe wasn't even all nba first team in 01. The Lakers rode Shaq's huge shoulders and elbows to a three peat. Kobe was a great player after 01, but he was not the best. The whole world knew Kobe was the second option to Shaq. All of a sudden Kobe was the best early in the decade...lol
Not how it was back then at all.

[GiveItToBurrito]

07 Duncan was the best player in the league. 06 Kobe was chucking. 05 Kobe sucked.

Yup, with an honorable mention to Lebron. I'd have rather had Dirk in 06 and maybe 07 (crazy how easy it is to forget him, but he scored at almost the same volume as Kobe while doing it with much greater efficiency) and Garnett or Duncan in 05. Kobe's been in the top three picture longer than just about anyone in the post-MJ era, but there's always or almost always been someone better than him.

[brownmamba00]

GTFO Kobe wasn't even all nba first team in 01. The Lakers rode Shaq's huge shoulders and elbows to a three peat. Kobe was a great player after 01, but he was not the best. The whole world knew Kobe was the second option to Shaq. All of a sudden Kobe was the best early in the decade...lol
Not how it was back then at all.

Are you serious? Kobe led his team to finals that year, YES HE LED his team untill Shaq took over in the finals. Completely destroyed the Spurs and the Kings.

From the Zen himself:

@10:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_LSQ50BWk&feature=related

Saying Kobe rode Shaq back in '01 is false

[gengiskhan]

Are you serious? Kobe led his team to finals that year, YES HE LED his team untill Shaq took over in the finals. Completely destroyed the Spurs and the Kings.

From the Zen himself:

@10:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_LSQ50BWk&feature=related

Saying Kobe rode Shaq back in '01 is false

a series or 2 dont count until you lead the team in NBA Finals itself. Its a different kind of pressure alltogether.

Once kobe got to finals, Kobe clearly rode Shaq as a sidekick.

(this crap argument reminds me of 1993 EC Finals vs Knicks & 1998 EC Finals vs Pacers when Pippen had terrific all around series. When it counted, MJ took over in the finals)

Why didnt kobe lead in the 2001 NBA finals since he was so hot in the playoffs.

BECAUSE HE CANNOT

Had he tried, The result would've been same as 2004 NBA Finals.

2001 finals, Shaq was a safer, better, much more dominant bet for Kobe & lakers to win it all.

so kobe decided to become a full sidekick & ride shaq like last year (2000).

This is the truth.

[Indian guy]

3 seasons. From 05-06 to 07-08.

[zay_24]

2001
2002
2003
2004(yup, his production went down but he was still the same player(even better) than 03
2005(he got injured but if someone put up those same stats in 2011 they would win mvp)
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

2006-scoring title, all defensive team
2007-scoring title, all defensive team
2008-MVP, all defensive team
2009- Finals MVP, all defensive team
2010-Finals MVP, all defensive team

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[G-Funk]

bump

[RRR3]

2001
2002
2003
2004(yup, his production went down but he was still the same player(even better) than 03
2005(he got injured but if someone put up those same stats in 2011 they would win mvp)
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

2006-scoring title, all defensive team
2007-scoring title, all defensive team
2008-MVP, all defensive team
2009- Finals MVP, all defensive team
2010-Finals MVP, all defensive team

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Led Balls]

Two: 2006 and 2007. :bowdown:

[G-Funk]

more than T-mac and Wade

[Boston C's]

I'd say from 05/06-07/08 he was the best player in the league... kobe stans are hilarious saying he was the clear cut best player in the league since 2001 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

I'd say from 05/06-07/08 he was the best player in the league... kobe stans are hilarious saying he was the clear cut best player in the league since 2001 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

riiight.....because the majority of fans or the Biggest sports media outlet in the world doesn't count.

what counts more is 1% of bsketball fanbase on the internet saying Kobe was only the best player in 2006:lol

New Flash...he was the same player in 2006 as he was in 2001 dropping 29PPG 7REB and 6ast in the playoff's while adding 33PPG 7REB 7AST in the 01' (Real NBA Finals) WCFinals and even his Coach and HOF teammate said he was the best allaround player in the world.....

that doesn't matter...what matters is the small % of elitist fans who say Shaq and Duncan were better players:lol

Haterz will never apply themselves to simple Logic...

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[Boston C's]

riiight.....because the majority of fans or the Biggest sports media outlet in the world doesn't count.

what counts more is 1% of bsketball fanbase on the internet saying Kobe was only the best player in 2006:lol

New Flash...he was the same player in 2006 as he was in 2001 dropping 29PPG 7REB and 6ast in the playoff's while adding 33PPG 7REB 7AST in the 01' (Real NBA Finals) WCFinals and even his Coach and HOF teammate said he was the best allaround player in the world.....

that doesn't matter...what matters is the small % of elitist fans who say Shaq and Duncan were better players:lol

Haterz will never apply themselves to simple Logic...

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who the hell said this?!?!?!?! find me anyone besides a kobe stan who thinks kobe was head and shoulders clear cut best player in the league from 2001 til now... if you give me your best of the decade bullshit that doesnt apply that just applies to who was the best player of the decade it doesnt mean he was the best player in the league since the start of the decade

[AlphaWolf24]

who the hell said this?!?!?!?! find me anyone besides a kobe stan who thinks kobe was head and shoulders clear cut best player in the league from 2001 til now... if you give me your best of the decade bullshit that doesnt apply that just applies to who was the best player of the decade it doesnt mean he was the best player in the league since the start of the decade


I already showed you the biggest sports media outlet in the world called him the best player at 22 years old.

the fans voted him the greatest player of his generation by a Landslide....It wasn't even close.

so yeah...that shows you right there that almost the whole basketball community or a very very very large part thinks he was clearly the best allaround player as early as 2001.


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[keepinitreal]

He was the best in 06 and 07.

In 08 he was pretty much tied with CP3 and LBJ.

2009 and 2010 he has no case over LeBron. Top 2 or 3 depending on where you place Wade.

yup