better player in their prime/peak

[Warriors fan]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

[SAKOTXA]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley Tie

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins Tie

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

This

[Kblaze8855]

Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley. Tossup. Kobe couldnt do anything Barkley didnt do with his teams but im not sure Barkley doesnt make some of Kobes teams better.

Chris Webber

Dwight Howard

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson. Dirk will win this one. But Dirk wouldnt do anything with the 01 Sizers. Imagine the pressure on him to score with Eric snow, Aaron Mckie, Lynch, Hill, Ratliff/Mutombo having to be relied on to keep people at home. real conflicting styles. AI was better for his team at his peak. Dirk for his.

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller. Bosh. But id rather have Reggie.

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing. Tracy was probably more highly regarded at his peak than Patrick at his. But id build around Patrick.

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone. Wade......

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning. Zo. Easily.

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins. Tossup. Neither of them had real impact doing anything but scoring. Nique was a beast but ive not seen him do anything more impressive than Amare giving the spurs 38 a game trying to will his team to the Ws.

Chris Paul vs David Robinson. Drob had more impact on games. Played both sides on a higher level. But I didnt really **** with Drob like that. Id ratherh ave paul to be honest. Doesnt make him better. But id rather have him.

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen. Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan. *insert scoff*

[Warriors fan]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?
this is what i have

[Boston C's]

this is what i have

not bad except for having arenas over Jordan... there you need to have your head checked... also find it weird that were comparing bosh to miller but alright lol

matter of fact chris paul over the admiral is crazy and I would def take nique over amare

[millwad]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson (Sorry, haha..)

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

Mine is like this.

[pauk]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon (and not sure ive even seen lebrons prime/peak yet.......)

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

[pauk]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8967/careerseasonper.jpg

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sorry but no............ the only guys who were producing-playing-dominating better than lebron in PRIME/PEAK (have we really seen his prime-peak?) were JORDAN and ofcourse OSCAR - WILT (who would be #1 & #2 in this list if the calculations went that far back and counted also blocks-steals-tos and so on)............

[ballerz]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

[Ikill]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?
this

[v1ncelis]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?
this.

[jbryan1984]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?


Hard to pick people who play different position sometimes.

[rodman91]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

some of them were difficult.

[Samurai Swoosh]

(and not sure ive even seen lebrons prime/peak yet.......)
2009 and 2010 say ...

:facepalm

[blablabla]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs PMTA

good comparisons?

this

[necya]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

no, because of their role

[Bring-Your-Js]

2009 and 2010 say ...

:facepalm

It's Over.

And people thought you were nuts. I was hesitant because of all the 4th qrt shots that were going in but physically, you called it 100% accurate.

[Samurai Swoosh]

It's Over.

And people thought you were nuts. I was hesitant because of all the 4th qrt shots that were going in but physically, you called it 100% accurate.
Thanks for the props, bro.

You know watching basketball for so long, I can tell. And it isn't in the obvious things like how high he jumps, etc.

It's in the mannerisms. The way they move when you can tell it's over for them. When they are still at their peak, there is like a thought bubble you can almost read above their head that shows the pure arrogance of being able to do WHATEVER they want to on the court.

People jumped my case, but I could see it. And the sad thing is ... him being on the down side of his career (especially physically) flipped like a light switch sometime around late November.

It's like a car. A car that you put so many miles on, then when it gets to some set number ... BAM ... it just starts to deteriorate.

I mean, you can see it even the video of him in pickup at the Drew League. The stiff movements in his legs. The entire lack of explosion. He CAN'T DO whatever he WANTS to do anymore on call. Thus he has passed his peak / prime.

I mean in that PICK UP game, he was asking for picks to get around players on non-NBA competition.

:oldlol:

If that doesn't tell you right there, I don't know what would. I saw him need the pick and roll more this year than I have EVER seen from him.

Just go watch videos of him from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. The fluidity and explosion in his movements. All of that is gone. And you can see it on him mentality.

I mean in the playoffs he couldn't beat Taj Gibson off the dribble, couldn't blow by OMAR ASIK off the dribble, looked visibly shook not being able to beat Jason Kidd off the dribble.

People keep repeating "he's 26" ... well, I guess he really isn't 26. He's had MAJOR minutes since entering the league.

He's 8 years into his pro career. He isn't some spring chicken.

If I was a LeBron fan, I'd be very worried. And I'm almost positive now it has NOTHING to do with some arbitrary slight weight gain. He's on the down side of career.

And if he doesn't come up with some more identifiable half court offensive skills, or moves to free himself up ... LeBron is not going to age very gracefully, people.

[Boston C's]

I'm wondering if the ppl picking arenas are trolling or are just that stupid...

[Warriors fan]

I'm wondering if the ppl picking arenas are trolling or are just that stupid...
:banana:

[Smoke117]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan


This.

[ShaqAttack3234]

1.I'm taking Hakeem whether you're talking peak season('94 Hakeem vs '09 Lebron), best years('93-'95 Hakeem vs '09-'11 Lebron) or extended prime '86-'96 Hakeem vs '06-'11 Lebron). Hakeem wins in all comparisons, with single season peaks being the closest, the gap is wider for prime. Hakeem was the better player because he was one of the best scorers I've ever seen, made his teammates better(not only did he become a proficient and willing passer, but he'd regularly spin into the lane or draw a crowd with a fake which would result in a shooter on his team having a wide open 3 with nobody near him), but it's his defense that separates him. Hakeem was arguably the best defensive player of the last 30 years, he was one of the rare players who could completely control and carry a team at the end because he was not only a dominant shot blocker, but he was great at stepping out and he had excellent hands which allowed him to pick up steals on entry passes or strip the post(though he cut down on these type of plays). And to seal the deal, Hakeem was a much better playoff performer. Aside from 2009, and maybe 2006, Lebron has played well below his standards in every series that he's lost, while Hakeem usually went down playing great. Look at his '86 run when he beat the Showtime Lakers and gave the Celtics(arguably the best team ever) a good fight as a 2nd year player. The following year, he lost in game 7 of the WCSF, but it took 2 overtimes to do it and Hakeem still put up 49/25/6, iirc. And in '88, he lost a series averng 37/17 on 57% shooting. He was also great in '93, nevermind his unbelievable back to back championship runs in '94 and '95.

2.This is tough due to positions and styles. Kobe was the better volume scorer while Barkley was more consistent and tougher to guard 1 on 1 on a night to night basis. Kobe was the better defender, while Barkley obviously impacted the game much more on the boards and both were very good passers, though they used that aspect of their game in different ways with Kobe being the closest player on the Lakers to a point guard and Barkley often making passes out of double teams in the post, though Charles consistently showed an ability to handle the ball in the open court and make great passes. Kobe's prime could be considered from as early as '01 to as late as '10(though injuries caught up with him in a similar way to Barkley in '94 that year despite playing great basketball early and then in the playoffs). So maybe '01-'09 is more accurate for Kobe's prime, while Barkley's would probably be '88-'93, for peak years, Kobe's peak could be considered any season from '06-'08 and Barkley's, pretty much any season of his prime, his skills and ability were consistently similar, though I might go with '93 for Barkley's peak. It's tough to compare team success since Barkley only had a championship-caliber cast 1 year in his prime('93) and got to the finals with it. But I'll give Kobe the edge just based on the fact that i thought several of his teams overachieved and he has proven to be a champion. But he was undeniably more fortunate than Barkley.

3.I'll take C-Webb over Carmelo. Carmelo has at best been in the low part of the top 10, while Webber was in the discussion for top 5 from 2000-2002, and leading a legit championship contending team, though there were was bad luck involved such as Peja getting injured before that LA series that went to OT the 7th game anyway, and C-Webb's injury in the 2003 playoffs. Melo is more clutch, imo and a better scorer, but C-Webb impacted the game in every other area. His skill set was phenomenal. Great athlete, excellent ball handling skills for his position, a face up game and an amazing passer. The criticisms being that Webber wasn't a clutch player or good big game performer and that he settled for too many jumpers. His peak(could be argued any year from '00-'02), was better than Melo's('10), same with their best few seasons or prime.

4.Dwight Howard wins this one. Interesting because Dwight may just be entering his prime and Hill's prime was cut short. But I'm taking '11 Dwight over '97 Hill and '08-'11 Dwight over '96-'00 Hill. Howard's impact is simply bigger because he dominates the game defensively and on the boards and even before his skills improved, he was a 20+ ppg scorer on elite efficiency, now he has a nice looking post game to go along with his defense and historically great athleticism. Hill lost in the first round every year of his prime and missed the playoffs during that span, twice I believe. While Howard lost in the first round this year, he played better than Hill did in any playoff series and I can't imagine Dwight missing the playoffs.

5.I'll take Dirk over Iverson prime vs prime. Prime Iverson(From '00 or '01 until '06 or even '08 with Denver) was tougher to build around than prime Dirk('03-'11). We've seen Dirk in the WCF with 3 completely different casts, we've seen him in the finals with 2 different ones and he won a title in convincing fashion. His team has been contenders for years, and imo, there's something to be said about efficiency, also, being a 7 footer with elite shooting ability from all areas whether it be 3s, mid-range or free throws causes all kinds of match up problems. Iverson accomplished a lot in his peak season and played at a top 5 level that year, but even so, I think he required a much more specialized cast around him than Dirk.

6.I'll take Reggie over Bosh. Bosh on paper looks like he'd be a better player, but on a team that I expect to go far, I'll have to take Reggie. He may have not impacted the games in many areas other than shooting/scoring, but he could light it up, and to be able to score and do so on such great efficiency while playing that well without the ball is a great luxury. Not to mention being one of the best clutch shooters ever. Reggie led his teams to several ECF and even the finals, as one-dimensional as people like to say he is, he was definitely effective.

7.Damn, peak is tough as far as Ewing vs T-Mac. Both had peak years('90 and '03, respectively) that were well above any other season they ever had. I'll give Ewing a slight edge as far as peak due to his dominance at both ends and that '90 series vs Boston even thouh Tracy was a better offensive player. Prime becomes a little more obvious in Ewing's favor.

8.I'll take Wade over Malone if we're talking about both of them at their best. Malone's prime lasted ridiculously long, but I kind of agree with KBlaze when he talks about the way Malone got his points being much less effective in the playoffs. He may have been better for regular season wins(though he never played on teams as bad as the '07-'10 Heat), but even 2nd year Wade looked like he was one of the rare special players who can raise his game in the late rounds of the playoffs and proved it the following year with a ring and great ECF and Finals series. He was an even better, more complete player in '09.

9.Give me Mourning over Carter. Carter peaked as a top 5-7 player in '01, but peak Mourning in '00 was even better and while Vince was a better offensive player, Mourning was much more of a competitor and again, a dominant defensive force as well as the number 1 offensive option on his team.

10.Gotta go with 'Nique over Amare. Both were primarily scorers, but 'Nique was better at creating his shot, imo and thought of more highly in his era.

11.I'll take Robinson despite Paul's historically great peak for his position. Robinson was one of the greatest defensive players ever, in fact, I'd call him top 5 in the last 30 years, obviously a good scorer and a great passer for a big man. I do feel that he was overrated as a scorer, though, for some of the same reasons that Malone is, and he seemed passive in big games, but he had a huge impact on games.

12.Pippen over Kidd. Kidd is one of the greatest passers ever, was an excellent defensive player and rebounder, but Pippen was also one of the best playmakers ever at the forward position, maybe the best example of a true point forward, arguably the best perimeter defender ever(if not, he's top 3 at worst, imo), elite rebounder for his position as well and a much better scorer than Kidd due to his athleticism and ability to finish, which made him one of the best open court players, his post game as his career developed(mostly consisted of a jump hook or a turnaround jumper off the glass, but still effective) and his superior shooting ability.



Thanks for the props, bro.

You know watching basketball for so long, I can tell. And it isn't in the obvious things like how high he jumps, etc.

It's in the mannerisms. The way they move when you can tell it's over for them. When they are still at their peak, there is like a thought bubble you can almost read above their head that shows the pure arrogance of being able to do WHATEVER they want to on the court.

People jumped my case, but I could see it. And the sad thing is ... him being on the down side of his career (especially physically) flipped like a light switch sometime around late November.

Great post man, I said last summer that 2009 was likely going to remain Lebron's peak(he was pretty much as good in 2010, but the playoffs knock that season down a bit). He just never seemed like a player who was going to age that well to me given his playing style, how young he started playing big minutes ect. That's why I laughed when people were still saying last year(and he's not even in his prime yet!). I do have Miami as the favorites next year, but the window for them as the favorites isn't as big as many thought/think.

[Samurai Swoosh]

That's why I laughed when people were still saying last year(and he's not even in his prime yet!). I do have Miami as the favorites next year, but the window for them as the favorites isn't as big as many thought/think.
Absolutely ... good post.

[Bone Machine]

How did you write so much? :(

Would've taken me 1-2 hours.

[Human Error]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon
Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley
Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber
Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill
Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson
Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller
Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing
Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone
Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning
Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins
Chris Paul vs David Robinson
Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen
Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

[D-Wade316]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon - too early

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley - Charles

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber - Same

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill - Dwight

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson - Dirk

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller - Same

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing - Tracy

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone - Wade

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning - Alonzo

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins - Dominique

Chris Paul vs David Robinson - too early

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen - Jason

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan - MJ

good comparisons? no

[millwad]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon (and not sure ive even seen lebrons prime/peak yet.......)


Obviously you never saw Hakeem play. Come back when LeBron actually wins a championship.. Prime Hakeem won two straight finals, LeBron is still at ZERO. Prime Hakeem is the only player to win MVP, DPOY and Finals MVP in the same year. Beat that, LeBron James.

[Bring-Your-Js]

Obviously you never saw Hakeem play. Come back when LeBron actually wins a championship.. Prime Hakeem won two straight finals, LeBron is still at ZERO. Prime Hakeem is the only player to win MVP, DPOY and Finals MVP in the same year. Beat that, LeBron James.

:lol

Hakeem is no worse than the 2nd Best Player listed among all of these comparisons.

Lebron ROFL :oldlol:

[knightfall88]

u can tell me how many idiots in this thread by people choosing Lebron over Hakeem.

[Jameerthefear]

Dwight isn't in his prime.

[WillC]

Answers in bold...

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs [b]Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Some many of you guys have Prime Reggie Miller over Prime Chris Bosh :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

REGGIE is offically the most overrated player

[WillC]

Some many of you guys have Prime Reggie Miller over Prime Chris Bosh :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

REGGIE is offically the most overrated player

Based on your reply, I would actually say that Bosh might just be the most overrated player ever...

What exactly has he ever achieved?

[PowerGlove]

Based on your reply, I would actually say that Bosh might just be the most overrated player ever...

What exactly has he ever achieved?

in comparison to reggie? WTF has he ever achieved?

[Friday]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon - Olajuwon.

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley - Kobe

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber -C-Webb

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill - Dwight

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson - Dirk

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller - Bosh

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing - Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone - Wade

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning - Zo

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins - Amare

Chris Paul vs David Robinson - Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen - Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan - SMFH.

[kaiiu]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?
them bolded ni99as

[Sakkreth]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley this one hard

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone damn hard one, gotta go with malone though

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan the fck ?


BAD COMPARISONS
You compare such different players...

[Miller for 3]

1.I'm taking Hakeem whether you're talking peak season('94 Hakeem vs '09 Lebron), best years('93-'95 Hakeem vs '09-'11 Lebron) or extended prime '86-'96 Hakeem vs '06-'11 Lebron). Hakeem wins in all comparisons, with single season peaks being the closest, the gap is wider for prime. Hakeem was the better player because he was one of the best scorers I've ever seen, made his teammates better(not only did he become a proficient and willing passer, but he'd regularly spin into the lane or draw a crowd with a fake which would result in a shooter on his team having a wide open 3 with nobody near him), but it's his defense that separates him. Hakeem was arguably the best defensive player of the last 30 years, he was one of the rare players who could completely control and carry a team at the end because he was not only a dominant shot blocker, but he was great at stepping out and he had excellent hands which allowed him to pick up steals on entry passes or strip the post(though he cut down on these type of plays). And to seal the deal, Hakeem was a much better playoff performer. Aside from 2009, and maybe 2006, Lebron has played well below his standards in every series that he's lost, while Hakeem usually went down playing great. Look at his '86 run when he beat the Showtime Lakers and gave the Celtics(arguably the best team ever) a good fight as a 2nd year player. The following year, he lost in game 7 of the WCSF, but it took 2 overtimes to do it and Hakeem still put up 49/25/6, iirc. And in '88, he lost a series averng 37/17 on 57% shooting. He was also great in '93, nevermind his unbelievable back to back championship runs in '94 and '95.

2.This is tough due to positions and styles. Kobe was the better volume scorer while Barkley was more consistent and tougher to guard 1 on 1 on a night to night basis. Kobe was the better defender, while Barkley obviously impacted the game much more on the boards and both were very good passers, though they used that aspect of their game in different ways with Kobe being the closest player on the Lakers to a point guard and Barkley often making passes out of double teams in the post, though Charles consistently showed an ability to handle the ball in the open court and make great passes. Kobe's prime could be considered from as early as '01 to as late as '10(though injuries caught up with him in a similar way to Barkley in '94 that year despite playing great basketball early and then in the playoffs). So maybe '01-'09 is more accurate for Kobe's prime, while Barkley's would probably be '88-'93, for peak years, Kobe's peak could be considered any season from '06-'08 and Barkley's, pretty much any season of his prime, his skills and ability were consistently similar, though I might go with '93 for Barkley's peak. It's tough to compare team success since Barkley only had a championship-caliber cast 1 year in his prime('93) and got to the finals with it. But I'll give Kobe the edge just based on the fact that i thought several of his teams overachieved and he has proven to be a champion. But he was undeniably more fortunate than Barkley.

3.I'll take C-Webb over Carmelo. Carmelo has at best been in the low part of the top 10, while Webber was in the discussion for top 5 from 2000-2002, and leading a legit championship contending team, though there were was bad luck involved such as Peja getting injured before that LA series that went to OT the 7th game anyway, and C-Webb's injury in the 2003 playoffs. Melo is more clutch, imo and a better scorer, but C-Webb impacted the game in every other area. His skill set was phenomenal. Great athlete, excellent ball handling skills for his position, a face up game and an amazing passer. The criticisms being that Webber wasn't a clutch player or good big game performer and that he settled for too many jumpers. His peak(could be argued any year from '00-'02), was better than Melo's('10), same with their best few seasons or prime.

4.Dwight Howard wins this one. Interesting because Dwight may just be entering his prime and Hill's prime was cut short. But I'm taking '11 Dwight over '97 Hill and '08-'11 Dwight over '96-'00 Hill. Howard's impact is simply bigger because he dominates the game defensively and on the boards and even before his skills improved, he was a 20+ ppg scorer on elite efficiency, now he has a nice looking post game to go along with his defense and historically great athleticism. Hill lost in the first round every year of his prime and missed the playoffs during that span, twice I believe. While Howard lost in the first round this year, he played better than Hill did in any playoff series and I can't imagine Dwight missing the playoffs.

5.I'll take Dirk over Iverson prime vs prime. Prime Iverson(From '00 or '01 until '06 or even '08 with Denver) was tougher to build around than prime Dirk('03-'11). We've seen Dirk in the WCF with 3 completely different casts, we've seen him in the finals with 2 different ones and he won a title in convincing fashion. His team has been contenders for years, and imo, there's something to be said about efficiency, also, being a 7 footer with elite shooting ability from all areas whether it be 3s, mid-range or free throws causes all kinds of match up problems. Iverson accomplished a lot in his peak season and played at a top 5 level that year, but even so, I think he required a much more specialized cast around him than Dirk.

6.I'll take Reggie over Bosh. Bosh on paper looks like he'd be a better player, but on a team that I expect to go far, I'll have to take Reggie. He may have not impacted the games in many areas other than shooting/scoring, but he could light it up, and to be able to score and do so on such great efficiency while playing that well without the ball is a great luxury. Not to mention being one of the best clutch shooters ever. Reggie led his teams to several ECF and even the finals, as one-dimensional as people like to say he is, he was definitely effective.

7.Damn, peak is tough as far as Ewing vs T-Mac. Both had peak years('90 and '03, respectively) that were well above any other season they ever had. I'll give Ewing a slight edge as far as peak due to his dominance at both ends and that '90 series vs Boston even thouh Tracy was a better offensive player. Prime becomes a little more obvious in Ewing's favor.

8.I'll take Wade over Malone if we're talking about both of them at their best. Malone's prime lasted ridiculously long, but I kind of agree with KBlaze when he talks about the way Malone got his points being much less effective in the playoffs. He may have been better for regular season wins(though he never played on teams as bad as the '07-'10 Heat), but even 2nd year Wade looked like he was one of the rare special players who can raise his game in the late rounds of the playoffs and proved it the following year with a ring and great ECF and Finals series. He was an even better, more complete player in '09.

9.Give me Mourning over Carter. Carter peaked as a top 5-7 player in '01, but peak Mourning in '00 was even better and while Vince was a better offensive player, Mourning was much more of a competitor and again, a dominant defensive force as well as the number 1 offensive option on his team.

10.Gotta go with 'Nique over Amare. Both were primarily scorers, but 'Nique was better at creating his shot, imo and thought of more highly in his era.

11.I'll take Robinson despite Paul's historically great peak for his position. Robinson was one of the greatest defensive players ever, in fact, I'd call him top 5 in the last 30 years, obviously a good scorer and a great passer for a big man. I do feel that he was overrated as a scorer, though, for some of the same reasons that Malone is, and he seemed passive in big games, but he had a huge impact on games.

12.Pippen over Kidd. Kidd is one of the greatest passers ever, was an excellent defensive player and rebounder, but Pippen was also one of the best playmakers ever at the forward position, maybe the best example of a true point forward, arguably the best perimeter defender ever(if not, he's top 3 at worst, imo), elite rebounder for his position as well and a much better scorer than Kidd due to his athleticism and ability to finish, which made him one of the best open court players, his post game as his career developed(mostly consisted of a jump hook or a turnaround jumper off the glass, but still effective) and his superior shooting ability.




Great post man, I said last summer that 2009 was likely going to remain Lebron's peak(he was pretty much as good in 2010, but the playoffs knock that season down a bit). He just never seemed like a player who was going to age that well to me given his playing style, how young he started playing big minutes ect. That's why I laughed when people were still saying last year(and he's not even in his prime yet!). I do have Miami as the favorites next year, but the window for them as the favorites isn't as big as many thought/think.

Great post, agree with all of it except Howard over Hill. I think Howard benefits a lot from having no other competition at his position. If he had played in Hill's era, and Hill in this era in his prime, I think Hill would be thought of as the better player.

[Miller for 3]

in comparison to reggie? WTF has he ever achieved?

Took a team to the Finals as the man. Multiple 25+ppg on 60+ TS% playoff runs. Like 6 ECF appearances and countless playoff game winning shots.

[zay_24]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?^^

[NugzHeat3]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber. Hard as hell. I pick Melo just for the sole fact he's a more assertive player unlike Webber who shrunk under pressure come playoffs. Melo hasn't been particularly dominant come playoff time though.

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller. Bosh is the better player but who I want is definitely situational. Neither are pieces you can build around.

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins. Another that's really hard. They're both kind of one-dimensional. Not sure. Very little seperation between them.

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

Some of them were really tough and I'd probably say a different answer if you ask me tomorrow.

[pauk]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

there u go

lol @ the haters picking hakeem over lebron....

i agree he is pretty close tho.... and would infact be better than anybody on that list except jordan aswell....... Hakeem was indeed insanely productive as you can see down here... but not as JORDAN & LEBRON

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[RRR3]

there u go

lol @ the haters picking hakeem over lebron....

i agree he is pretty close tho.... and would infact be better than anybody on that list except jordan aswell....... Hakeem was indeed productive as you can see... but not as JORDAN & LEBRON

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http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7193/perplayoffs.jpg
I didn't realize PER was the only stat...:confusedshrug:

[pauk]

I didn't realize PER was the only stat...:confusedshrug:

PER = Evaluation of your entire productions per game........

this is the only STAT you need to know because it is based on EVERYTHING.... points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, tos and all shooting percentages .....

it measure therefore the players IMPACT.......... and look at that list.... its no surprise JORDAN is #1........... his impact is the best ever....


but if you was talking about CAREER? Who had a better CAREER? Then Hakeem > Lebron... ofcourse...

[RRR3]

PER = Evaluation of your entire productions per game........

this is the only STAT you need to know because it is based on EVERYTHING.... points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, tos and all shooting percentages .....

it measure therefore the players IMPACT.......... and look at that list.... its no surprise JORDAN is #1........... his impact is the best ever....


but if you was talking about CAREER? Who had a better CAREER? Then Hakeem > Lebron... ofcourse...
PER isn't perfect and it is based mostly on offensive impact.

[Fatal9]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley ...very close, I go back and forth on them.

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller ...Bosh is better at carrying a bad team though, probably a better player but Reggie is the better piece and the one I want on my team.

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing ...this is tough, I'd give '03 McGrady the slightest of edges. If multiple years, then I'd go with Ewing.

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins...close in regular season, probably even an edge to Nique but Amare blows him away if looking at what they did in the playoffs (individually, not teamwise).

Chris Paul vs David Robinson ...this one is tough, only going with D-Rob because he can anchor a good/great defense with any sort of roster you put around him. I have more issues with D-Rob than with CP though. Other than shot blocking, D-Rob did nothing as good as his peak stats suggest.

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

[Round Mound]

Barkley > Kobe

Higher PER Top 10-11 All Time, EFF Top 10 All Time, Plus/Minus, Top 5 All Time, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, Top 4 All Time and Winshares Per 48 Minutes Top 9 All Time (John Stockton Top 15 All Time and K. Malone Top 18 All Time)

Kobe was less of a dominant player and no way was Kobe a Better Defender Barkley had a Top 7 In Defensive Rating before Moses Left and the Sixers where left with a Solid Big Man and Defensive SFs

Barkley always appears in the Top 4 to 11 in All Broken Down Stastistical Works and Categories...Kobe doesnt

[D.J.]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?


See bolded.

[pauk]

Barkley > Kobe

Higher PER Top 10-11 All Time, EFF Top 10 All Time, Plus/Minus, Top 5 All Time, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, Top 4 All Time and Winshares Per 48 Minutes Top 9 All Time (John Stockton Top 15 All Time and K. Malone Top 18 All Time)

Kobe was less of a dominant player and no way was Kobe a Better Defender Barkley had a Top 7 In Defensive Rating before Moses Left and the Sixers where left with a Solid Big Man and Defensive SFs

Barkley always appears in the Top 4 to 11 in All Broken Down Stastistical Works and Categories...Kobe doesnt

thats exactly why i took Barkley to

[pauk]

in comparison to reggie? WTF has he ever achieved?

oh... just a legendary status based on 18 year long consistant & durable killer instinct - shooting - clutchness and trashtalking. :pimp:

[pauk]

I have counted alot of idiots in here...........

all due respect mr Olajuwon......... a great man and my favorite center of all time........ think about that first before you say something ok?


but PRIME LEBRON..........

------is as productive as only 2-3 players have been similar or more productive in NBA history.. that is Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan...

------is the most versatile player in NBA history offensively & defensively.......
which means he could dominate up to 4 positions offensively (up to 5 positions actually against some centers).........
he could be your 24-7-11 PG
he could be your 35-7-6 SG
he could be your 30-8-8 SF
he could be your 30-10-6 PF

and DEFENSIVELY.... he could defend up to 4 positions extremly efficiently and even some Centers.....

-----is the one with most gamewinners since he came into the NBA... had overall the best clutch stats...... and 4th quarter points...

-----his team impact can be measured only with 5 players in NBA history...... but so was Hakeems to...

its still close because Hakeem was that good almost.... but the advantage if there is any between PRIME LEBRON and PRIME HAKEEM.... SHOULD GO TO LEBRONS FAVOR........

[KingRaptor]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon
Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley
Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber
Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill
Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson
Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning
Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins
Chris Paul vs David Robinson
Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?
mine

[Round Mound]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins

Chris Paul vs David Robinson

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen

Gilbert Arenas vs Michael Jordan

good comparisons?

Some

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[DaPerceive]

Lebron James vs Hakeem Olajuwon - Easy choice here, Hakeem makes more of an impact on games and didn't have the same mental/skill issues that LeBron had.

Kobe Bryant vs Charles Barkley - Barkley wins slightly as far as ability/talent goes, but I like the intangibles that Kobe brings and most importantly the defense.

Carmelo Anthony vs Chris Webber - Webber was better but I don't think you could win with either as your #1.

Dwight Howard vs Grant Hill - Essentially a toss up, but I would probably rather have Howard because of the impact he makes on the court.

Dirk Nowitzki vs Allen Iverson - Not really a tough choice to be honest and I am no AI hater.

Chris Bosh vs Reggie Miller - I would rather have Miller in the playoffs but Bosh was the better player for the most part.

Tracy McGrady vs Patrick Ewing - Ewing had the better prime but Tmac had the better peak. I value prime more than I value peak, so Ewing.

Dwyane Wade vs Karl Malone - A little bit tough but at the end I will go with the player that was clutch over the guy that wasn't.

Vince Carter vs Alonzo Mourning - Not tough at all.

Amare Stoudemire vs Dominique Wilkins - Nothing Nique could do that Amare couldn't. Amare was the better playoff performer which is why I think he was better.

Chris Paul vs David Robinson - Paul's prime has been too short and he made less of an impact on games than Robinson did because Robinson is a Center while Paul is a PG.

Jason Kidd vs Scottie Pippen - Pippen was the better player, plain and simple.