The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

[Nick Young]

These are the NBA statistics of the great Vassilis Spanoulis, whom many regard as currently one of if not the greatest guards playing in Europe at the moment.

Take a moment to appreciate his greatness first hand, he came over in the 2006/2007 season and, coached by the intelligent Jeff Van Gundy and playing alongside the great tandem of Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady, lead his team to a first round exit.

Look upon the numbers of greatness:

PPG: 2.7
APG: .9
FG%: 31.9
3FG%: 17.2
TO per game: 0.9

If you project him per 36 minutes however he averages
PPG: 11.3
APG: 3.7
TO: 3.8
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/spanova01.html

Whoa I can't believe that rockets team underachieved like it did. Spanoulis was truly a forgotten NBA great and the whole league missed his presence when he returned the Greece the following year to instantly reclaim his status as best player in Europe. I think that Deron Williams and Sunny Weams will struggle to assert their dominance in Europe like Spanoulis does on a nightly basis.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nk5Cq5AipZg/TU3L8td_5AI/AAAAAAAAAIM/DjFtmdVhj6w/s640/spanoulis_dt_.jpg

Check out the best highlight of his NBA career!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGic7L_Ciw
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

highlights of the best NBA game spanoulis ever played
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Catastrophique]

Ok. Let's play. At least until Lakas no Links shows up. And even though Spanoulis if far from being the best player in Europe.

Let's travel the opposite way:

Gary Neal's stats in the NBA:
9.8 ppg, 1.2 apg, 2.5 rpg with a pretty decent 0.42 3p%

Gary Neal's stats in Europe:
ACB:
6.4 ppg, 0.5 apg, 1.5 rpg with a so-so 0.35 3p%
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=BFB
Euroleague:
7 freakin' games, 2.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.00 apg, 0.12 3p%


Serge Ibaka:
NBA: 8.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.2 apg
ACB: 7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=Y8A

And A LONG TIME AGO, when European basketball was still a hundred miles away from NBA -not that today they are at the same height, of course, but they're definitely quite closer-:

Dominique Wilkins (does the name ring a bell)
95-96 (35-36 years old) 20.9 ppg, 7.0 playing in Greece.
96-97 (one year older) 18.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg in the NBA.
Using your logic, there was not that much of a difference between both brands of basketball back then; we could even argue that having a pretty good Nique (not prime but still good) allowed Panathinaikos to barely win Euroleague title 67-66 against Barcelona in a thriller of a final.

Does that "statistical dominiquian proof" mean anything? Hell no, the difference between NBA and Europe was abysmal back then.


So what does it mean?
It means you can't use individual stats to judge how good or how bad are two compeltely different leagues, even if it is to mock your old friend Euroleague from Arkansas.

That's all, kids.

[Nick Young]

In Europe, 9 ppg is pretty much equal to 17 ppg in the NBA. So Neal and Ibaka had an easier time in Europe.

Just like Melo gets 18 ppg in FIBA but is a 28 ppg NBA scorer

Just like Old Nique went and dominated Euroleague.

Except for Spanoulis, he is a beast in both leagues.

[artificial]

Euroleague is an idiot, but that's no reason to hate on V-Span or european basketball. You should know better than that.


Heck, if having idiot homers was a reason to be dissed, Kobe and Lebron would have... oh, wait.

[Catastrophique]

In Europe, 9 ppg is pretty much equal to 17 ppg in the NBA. So Neal and Ibaka had an easier time in Europe.

Just like Melo gets 18 ppg in FIBA but is a 28 ppg NBA scorer

Just like Old Nique went and dominated Euroleague.

Except for Spanoulis, he is a beast in both leagues.

And what mathematical equation did you use?

So Rudy Fern

[iamgine]

Ok. Let's play. At least until Lakas no Links shows up. And even though Spanoulis if far from being the best player in Europe.

Let's travel the opposite way:

Gary Neal's stats in the NBA:
9.8 ppg, 1.2 apg, 2.5 rpg with a pretty decent 0.42 3p%

Gary Neal's stats in Europe:
ACB:
6.4 ppg, 0.5 apg, 1.5 rpg with a so-so 0.35 3p%
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=BFB
Euroleague:
7 freakin' games, 2.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.00 apg, 0.12 3p%


Serge Ibaka:
NBA: 8.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.2 apg
ACB: 7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=Y8A

And A LONG TIME AGO, when European basketball was still a hundred miles away from NBA -not that today they are at the same height, of course, but they're definitely quite closer-:

Dominique Wilkins (does the name ring a bell)
95-96 (35-36 years old) 20.9 ppg, 7.0 playing in Greece.
96-97 (one year older) 18.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg in the NBA.
Using your logic, there was not that much of a difference between both brands of basketball back then; we could even argue that having a pretty good Nique (not prime but still good) allowed Panathinaikos to barely win Euroleague title 67-66 against Barcelona in a thriller of a final.

Does that "statistical dominiquian proof" mean anything? Hell no, the difference between NBA and Europe was abysmal back then.


So what does it mean?
It means you can't use individual stats to judge how good or how bad are two compeltely different leagues, even if it is to mock your old friend Euroleague from Arkansas.

That's all, kids.
Can the minutes also be compared?

[Catastrophique]

Can the minutes also be compared?

Hey, I was just using demagogy to show how absurd some comparations are.

Of course I didn't use minutes. They were not useful to my simulation. Demagogy, you know.

Hell, even if they played less minutes in Europe (I'm not in the mood to look it up now, maybe later) we could twist it to say that they didn't play as many minutes as in the NBA because they were not good enough to deserve them. Or some other crap.

[Nick Young]

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCM/headshots/GRE/_215/Small_7-VasilisSPANOULIS_Greece_.jpg
:bowdown:

[Droid101]

Hey, I was just using demagogy to show how absurd some comparations are.

Of course I didn't use minutes. They were not useful to my simulation. Demagogy, you know.

Hell, even if they played less minutes in Europe (I'm not in the mood to look it up now, maybe later) we could twist it to say that they didn't play as many minutes as in the NBA because they were not good enough to deserve them. Or some other crap.
Dude, don't even try with this shit.

Look up Sabonis' NBA stats the year before he went back to Europe, then look at his Euroleague stats. He went from a broken stiff in the NBA to MVP of the league back in Europe.

Check out Luis Scola's stats in the NBA vs Euroleague. Guy is a solid player in the NBA, and a Field Goal Percentage GOD in Euroleague.

Be real real.

[Euroleague]

Gary Neal averaged 2.3 points per game in Euroleague.

Dominique did not win the Greek Championship. He lost it. That is a myth spread by American NBA only fans that he won it.

In fact, Dominique's team lost 3-2 in the Greek Finals and the MVP of the Greek League was a guy named Georgios Sigalas. Not Dominique Wilkins.

In the 96 Euroleague final, the refs made a mistake with the shot clock and gifted Dominque's team an unfair and illegal victory. To this day it is the most controversial Euroleague final in history.

As many as 90% of European basketball fans in a recent poll said that the final was rigged by the refs and that Barca won the game.

In youtube, American NBA only fans have not only erased this with clever editing, but they also edited it to look like Wilkins hit the game winning shot. Disgraceful.

However, the real versions are also available, which show the refs rigging the game. So actually, Wilkins won a rigged Euroleague final, lost the Greek League, and was beaten out for the Greek League by MVP award by Georgios Sigalas.

He then returned to the NBA and averaged 18 points a game after that.

[Theoo's Daddy]

i've noticed that greek players get overrated in this forum..

[Droid101]

Gary Neal averaged 2.3 points per game in Euroleague.

Dominique did not win the Greek Championship. He lost it. That is a myth spread by American NBA only fans that he won it.

In fact, Dominique's team lost 3-2 in the Greek Finals and the MVP of the Greek League was a guy named Georgios Sigalas. Not Dominique Wilkins
1995–1996


The expectations in the team had now risen a lot, as it was imperative for Panathinaikos to obtain a significant title. In the summer of 1995, they acquired Dominique Wilkins, one of the top American players playing in Europe. The coach of the team was Božidar Maljković. The former along with Giannakis, Vranković, Alvertis and Patavoukas comprised a very experienced team, which, in 1996, managed an unprecedented success for Greek basketball. Indeed, in April 1996, at the Paris Final Four, Panathinaikos became the first Greek team to lift the European Championships (now called the Euroleague), beating FC Barcelona in a unique tournament final, by a score of 67–66. Back in Greece, right after the big win in Paris, the exit of Dominique Wilkins in the league final led to the loss of a championship from Olympiakos with 35 points difference.

So, you are lying again. They lost to Olympiakos AFTER 'Nique left. They won Euroleague (first Greek team ever to do so) with him there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathinaikos_BC#1995.E2.80.931996

Here's some more:
Unhappy with his role on a rebuilding Celtics team, Wilkins signed to play for Panathinaikos of the Greek League. He averaged 20.9 points and 7.0 rebounds for Panathinaikos and led the team to the Euroleague title in 1996 alongside teammates Fragiskos Alvertis, Stojan Vranković and Panagiotis Giannakis. During the Final Four that was held in Paris he had 35 points and 8 rebounds in the semifinal against CSKA and a double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds against Barcelona in the final. His performances earned him the Final Four MVP award. He also won the Greek Cup with Panathinaikos and was named the MVP of the Final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Wilkins


Edit: You changed your post from "Dominique didn't win" to "The refs cheated" as you usually do when you run out of arguments.

It's pointless talking to you.

[G-train]

2 different games, cant compare stats either way.

[Euroleague]

Dude, don't even try with this shit.

Look up Sabonis' NBA stats the year before he went back to Europe, then look at his Euroleague stats. He went from a broken stiff in the NBA to MVP of the league back in Europe.

Check out Luis Scola's stats in the NBA vs Euroleague. Guy is a solid player in the NBA, and a Field Goal Percentage GOD in Euroleague.

Be real real.

Sabonis was not MVP of Euroleague. Why do you lie so much all the time?

He was MVP of stages of the season. The award does not even exist anymore because it was not even a real award. Once Euroleague realized people in the USA actually took it as a season MVP award they cancelled it.

Because idiots like you could not even grasp it was just for a month of the season.

The actual MVP of Euroleague was never anyone named Sabonis. The actual MVP of Euroleague award did not even exist until after Sabonis was retired. But of course little things like facts do not matter to you.

Do you think it makes you look cute to just throw around all these lies all the time and pass them off as facts?

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Droid101]1995

[Droid101]

Sabonis was not MVP of Euroleague. Why do you lie so much all the time?

He was MVP of stages of the season. The award does not even exist anymore because it was not even a real award. Once Euroleague realized people in the USA actually took it as a season MVP award they cancelled it.

Because idiots like you could not even grasp it was just for a month of the season.

The actual MVP of Euroleague was never anyone named Sabonis. The actual MVP of Euroleague award did not even exist until after Sabonis was retired. But of course little things like facts do not matter to you.

Do you think it makes you look cute to just throw around all these lies all the time and pass them off as facts?
Show me proof I'm wrong, and I'll stop.

As for Sabonis, here's proof he was the MVP of the Euroleague:

Euroleague Regular Season MVP award winners (2001-04):

FIBA SuproLeague 2000-01*


Nate Huffman





ULEB Euroleague 2000-01*


Dejan Tomašević






2001-02


Mirsad T

[G-train]

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=PAN


In 1996, legends Panagiotis Giannakis, Dominique Wilkins and Fragiskos Alvertis came together and secured the first Euroleague title by a Greek team.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Droid101]1995

[Droid101]

Hey dumb ass. You better provide proof that the refs did not rig the Euroelague final and proof that Wilkins did not play the 4 games of the Greek League final.You better provide proof that the refs DID rig the Euroleague final.


You better provide proof.
Not some lies from Wikipedia.

Because I am done with being called a liar by dishonest people like you. Making the whole forum think I am a troll and a liar. You just lied about everything and made it all up. Everything you posted is a lie.

So, you better provide proof it being true real quick. Otherwise we are going to have the site owner decide on what to do about it. No more am I going to accept people lying here and then saying I am the liar when they get called on it.

The true facts can be given to Jeff and then he can decide on what to do with you since you so brazenly presented lies as truth here and then dared to claim I lied about it, when I posted the truth only.

I'm not playing these games with losers like you anymore.
You are a liar until you post a link with supporting facts about the things you post.

I don't care if it's in Greek, that's what Google Translate is for.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Droid101]Show me proof I'm wrong, and I'll stop.

As for Sabonis, here's proof he was the MVP of the Euroleague:

Euroleague Regular Season MVP award winners (2001-04):

FIBA SuproLeague 2000-01*


Nate Huffman





ULEB Euroleague 2000-01*


Dejan Toma

[Theoo's Daddy]

damn, parker had 2 MVP's ? :roll:

[Droid101]

What the hell is wrong with you? The Euroleague MVP award did not exist until 2005. Sabonis was never Euroleague MVP moron. And you just posted a link that even confirms that idiot.
It was called the Euroleague Regular Season MVP.

Did you not visit the link provided? It explains it all there.

The award did exist. It was just called something different and they had a separate one for the Euroleague Top 16 MVP. They consolidated them into one award after 2004.

Really man, do you know so little?

[Euroleague]

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=PAN



I will repeat it one last time and then I will let the site owner deal with it. He can decide what he wants to do with the endless level of lies that have taken over this forum and how anyone calling them out gets attacked.

Wilkins' team won the Euroleague final in 1996. In a game that was rigged by the refs. Google Barcelona Panathinaikos Euroleague 1996 shot clock violation Stanko Vrankovic. Wilkins I believe was MVP of final four of Euroleague....again one that was rigged by the refs for his team to win.

Wilkins won the Greek Cup and was the MVP of it.

Wilkins lost the Greek Championship (the Greek League) Finals by 3-2 in a 5 game series. He played the first several games of the series.

His team, Panathinaikos lost to Olympiacos. The MVP of the Greek League was Gerogios Sigalas.

Now, if people continue to dispute these facts here, then they will have to explain it to the site owner. Because I have had enough of people making up lies here, and then those same people calling me a liar and having others in the forum believe it, and then continue to think I am a liar, when it is the other people that are lying.

I have had it.

[RRR3]

Spanoulis lol. Thought he was T-Mac. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Euroleague]

It was called the Euroleague Regular Season MVP.

Did you not visit the link provided? It explains it all there.

The award did exist. It was just called something different and they had a separate one for the Euroleague Top 16 MVP. They consolidated them into one award after 2004.

Really man, do you know so little?

You are either an incredible level troll or a true drooling retard. Sabonis was not Euroleague MVP. Yet you claimed he was. You lied.

That award did not exist until 2005.

Sabonis was MVP of a MONTH OF THE SEASON.

The Euroleague realized that idiots like you in USA were thinking those awards were season MVPs and so they cancelled them and eliminated them.

The rules of the season MVP award. THE RULES to even qualify to even be eligible to the award - those rules the freaking rules to even be a candidate. Sabonis did not meet even a single one of them.

He would not even be a candidate for the award under the rules.
And yet you continue to lie and falsely claim he was "Euroleague MVP". You then post a Wikipedia link that confirms what I am telling you, and yet claim it is backing the lies you say.

This shit is not funny anymore. Stop it now.

[G-train]

I'm open minded.
96 was quite a debacle:

http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/who-should-have-won-the-1996-9337/#post

[Nick Young]

Bull shit lies again from Americans in Wikipedia.

He played 4 out of the 5 games in the Greek Finals. Once again, you use lies from Wikipedia, probably posted by you yourself to distort the truth here.
Truly pathetic.
Is it a lie that Spanoulis only shot 17% from behind the arc in the NBA and averaged as many turnovers as he did assists?:confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

Wilkins' team won the Euroleague final in 1996. In a game that was rigged by the refs. Google Barcelona Panathinaikos Euroleague 1996 shot clock violation Stank Vrankovic. Wilkins I believe was MVP of final four of Euroleague....again one that was rigged by the refs for his team to win.

Okay, here are the links I found:
http://www.euroleague.net/history/50-years/the-archive/i/16104/1609/paris-1996


In the breathtaking final, Panathinaikos beat Barcelona by a single point, 67-66, on a last-minute blocked shot by Stojko Vrankovic to secure the first title for a Greek team.

This link says it was shady for both sides, in fact, points out that Barca got more benefits of the bad refereeing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_European_Champions_Cup_and_Euroleague_history


1996 proved to be one of the most controversial finals to any European club competition. Greek side Panathinaikos pulled off the coup of the season by signing former NBA star Dominique Wilkins, but it was Croatian center Stojko Vranković who decided the Final Four.

The 218 cm ran the length of the court to block Barcelona's Jose Montero's lay-up attempt in the last second to seal the win for Panathinaikos. Although the block looked like a possible goal-tend, no call was made and Panathinaikos were the first ever Greek champions. Although this would seem to indicate that a goal tend call should have been made, the situation is less than clear. In fact, numerous violations occurred in the last seconds of the game, none of which were called by the referees. Panathinaikos had ball possession and with 8 seconds remaining in the game clock, Panathinaikos guard Panagiotis Giannakis lost the ball (possibly after being fouled, though no call was made). As players from both teams struggled to gain possession, the shot clock was renewed illegally (since the ball was in possession of neither team, a shot clock violation should have been called against Panathinaikos, meaning that the game should stop and resume with an inbound pass for Barcelona). The situation was further exacerbated by the fact that the game clock stuck at 4.9 seconds for about 6 seconds, thus allowing Barcelona nearly ten seconds of play.



I found some forum dorks arguing about it. Here's the most rational response:
http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/who-should-have-won-the-1996-9337/


Q: Who should have won the 96 Euroleague finals?

A: Two answers.

By the book: Propably panathinaikos. When the clock stops, the game should stop. Barca shoud get the ball for a 4.9 sec offense. Thats what they actually did, since after the block, barca resets the offense , the clock is still stopped, and they have around 5 sec to carry the offense.

Subjective opinion: Panathinaikos. The last 2 minutes of the game are probably the worst officiating by referees in a euroleague final.


That's all I have time for right now.

Basically, you're still a liar.

[RRR3]

It was NOT a Euroleague MVP award. There was no Euroleague MVP award until 2005.

Sabonis won an equivalent of a monthly MVP award.

And in fact, he did not even qualify to be a candidate under the MVP rules of the league.

So it is a pure lie for Droid101 to keep claiming he was "MVP of the Euroleague" when he actually was not.

It's like saying an NBA player of the month was "the NBA MVP". It's a lie and the guy just keeps saying it over and over.
U MAD?
http://www.euroleague.net/rs/27110/e9c4455d-a317-4f4c-9f70-108d736bae98/e0a/filename/anthony-parker-mvp-final-four-2004-tel-aviv.jpg

[Euroleague]

I'm open minded.
96 was quite a debacle:

http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/who-should-have-won-the-1996-9337/#post

Thank you. It is nice for someone to deal with reality rather than idiots throwing around Wikipedia articles that they probably wrote themselves.

[Euroleague]

Okay, here are the links I found:
http://www.euroleague.net/history/50-years/the-archive/i/16104/1609/paris-1996



This link says it was shady for both sides, in fact, points out that Barca got more benefits of the bad refereeing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_European_Champions_Cup_and_Euroleague_history




I found some forum dorks arguing about it. Here's the most rational response:
http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/who-should-have-won-the-1996-9337/




That's all I have time for right now.

Basically, you're still a liar.

That's it. I will just let the mods and site owner sort you out. I am no longer going to accept telling the truth here and being called a liar for it, by people that are actually the ones lying.

[Theoo's Daddy]

U MAD?
http://www.euroleague.net/rs/27110/e9c4455d-a317-4f4c-9f70-108d736bae98/e0a/filename/anthony-parker-mvp-final-four-2004-tel-aviv.jpg
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[G-train]

Not sure why euroleague bothers really, his arguing goes nowhere as he is comparing apples with oranges and reacts to the yanks, who 99% of them rely on wikipedia and really have no knowledge of euro bball.
You cant compare players and stats. 2 different games.
The original post is just pathetic. His game didnt translate.

Stephen Jackson came to Australia and was so bad that he got cut. The won a title with the Spurs as a key starter.

BBall is just different in the USA, it suits some players and not others.

[Euroleague]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Almost as funny as a huge scrub like Derrick Rose winning the NBA MVP.

[Euroleague]

Not sure why euroleague bothers really, his arguing goes nowhere as he is comparing apples with oranges and reacts to the yanks, who 99% of them rely on wikipedia and really have no knowledge of euro bball.
You cant compare players and stats. 2 different games.
The original post is just pathetic. His game didnt translate.

Stephen Jackson came to Australia and was so bad that he got cut. The won a title with the Spurs as a key starter.

BBall is just different in the USA, it suits some players and not others.

But why do these idiots have to call me a liar and a troll for simply pointing something like that out?

I know most of it is because of Grinder and all the crap he pulls here to make me and other European basketball fans look bad. But damn, the group think in this forum is pathetic.

[RRR3]

Spanoulis WAH I'm as good as T-Mac :cry:
http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-Spanoulis-wants-more-minutes-1536296.php

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis WAH I'm as good as T-Mac :cry:
http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-Spanoulis-wants-more-minutes-1536296.php

He never said that. Notice how not even once do they even quote him.

[RRR3]

He never said that. Notice how not even once do they even quote him.
LOL look it up on google it's been reported by numerous different sources. You mad?

[Nick Young]

Not sure why euroleague bothers really, his arguing goes nowhere as he is comparing apples with oranges and reacts to the yanks, who 99% of them rely on wikipedia and really have no knowledge of euro bball.
You cant compare players and stats. 2 different games.
The original post is just pathetic. His game didnt translate.

Stephen Jackson came to Australia and was so bad that he got cut. The won a title with the Spurs as a key starter.

BBall is just different in the USA, it suits some players and not others.
He was a journeyman who got cut from everywhere until he put serious work into his game. Not comparable situations, Spanoulis came here on top of his game in his prime

[Euroleague]

LOL look it up on google it's been reported by numerous different sources. You mad?

Where do all these morons come from?

[RRR3]

Where do all these morons come from?
Euroleague.:lol

[Nick Young]

Almost as funny as a huge scrub like Derrick Rose winning the NBA MVP.
Do you mean the man who destroyed every single team he came up against in the world championships, the same Derek Rose who apart from Dirk and Pau could switch to any other country in the world and instantly become their best player?

[Euroleague]

He was a journeyman who got cut from everywhere until he put serious work into his game. Not comparable situations, Spanoulis came here on top of his game in his prime

He was benched because he got mad at the coach for not letting him help his mother that tried to kill herself.

Why the hell can you not let this go? Are you really this petty?

[G-train]

He was a journeyman who got cut from everywhere until he put serious work into his game. Not comparable situations, Spanoulis came here on top of his game in his prime

:oldlol: It's not about comparing situations, I could name a number of NBA players where that happened. Its factual that some players just cant play bball anywhere but in USA and vice versa.

[G-train]

I'm not joining side with euro, this is my observation about americans and I see more evidence everyday, and its not just bball.

They think they know it all, and they think their way is the right way.
Well no, you just know American bullshit that is ofen narrow or simply false in most countries.

[Droid101]

They think they know it all, and they think their way is the right way.
Well no, you just know American bullshit that is ofen narrow or simply false in most countries.

I know what I find as credible sources, and post them. That's all.

Euroleague makes up garbage and claims it as fact. Huge difference.

[Nick Young]

I'm not joining side with euro, this is my observation about americans and I see more evidence everyday, and its not just bball.

They think they know it all, and they think their way is the right way.
Well no, you just know American bullshit that is ofen narrow or simply false in most countries.
This is the European way, to overrate everything you do and believe you are on equal to or even sometimes better than Americans at things:roll:

[G-train]

This is the European way, to overrate everything you do and believe you are on equal to or even sometimes better than Americans at things:roll:

I'm just saying that europeans, australians, asians, whoeverians, do many things better than Americans, and are equal or not far behind in areas that Americans think they are completely more advanced in. You have a brainwashed society that gives you in general a brash arrogant way of thinking.
In general.

[Nick Young]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[KNOW1EDGE]

I'm just saying that europeans, australians, asians, whoeverians, do many things better than Americans, and are equal or not far behind in areas that Americans think they are completely more advanced in. You have a brainwashed society that gives you in general a brash arrogant way of thinking.
In general.

exactly. Yes, Euroleague is borderline mentally handicapped, but he I think he just wants people to respect him, and respect the Euroleague and foreign players, give them the credit they deserve.

Americans are not automatically better than everyone else just cuz where they were born. America is home to some of the stupidest, most arrogant and ignorant people on the face of the earth.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

exactly. Yes, Euroleague is borderline mentally handicapped, but he I think he just wants people to respect him, and respect the Euroleague and foreign players, give them the credit they deserve.

Americans are not automatically better than everyone else just cuz where they were born. America is home to some of the stupidest, most arrogant and ignorant people on the face of the earth.

There are people like that everywhere

[Nick Young]

:rockon:

[Nick Young]

When Spanoulis got any normal playing time, he averaged 13 a game in the NBA as a rookie.
Yo dawg I need some links, that's pretty impressive, Rookie tony parker numbers!

[Euroleague]

Yo dawg I need some links, that's pretty impressive, Rookie tony parker numbers!

He only got to play 20 minutes 2 times. It was decent playing time and not in garbage minutes.

In those games he averaged 13 a game, at 25.5 minutes (18.4 per 36 minutes).

13 points in 23 minutes


http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261205010


13 points in 28 minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270418026


He also had a decent game of 10 points in 17 minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261122010



He had some bad games too. But it was not bad for a rookie. Certainly, when he got non garbage time playing he did fairly decent for a rookie.

The problem was his coach just did not like him. I'm sure he could probably average over 20 in the NBA now quite easily. I mean Monta Ellis can get like 25 a game, so Spanoulis should be able to get 20 a game with absolute ease in the NBA with fair playing time. I mean Spanoulis is a better all around scorer than Ellis is.

I would say Spanoulis could have averaged 15-16 a game in his rookie season with no problem if he just would have been given consistent playing time.

[RRR3]

He only got to play 20 minutes 2 times. It was decent playing time and not in garbage minutes.

In those games he averaged 13 a game, at 25.5 minutes (18.4 per 36 minutes).

13 points in 23 minutes


http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261205010


13 points in 28 minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270418026


He also had a decent game of 10 points in 17 minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261122010



He had some bad games too. But it was not bad for a rookie. Certainly, when he got non garbage time playing he did fairly decent for a rookie.

The problem was his coach just did not like him. I'm sure he could probably average over 20 in the NBA now quite easily. I mean Monta Ellis can get like 25 a game, so Spanoulis should be able to get 20 a game with absolute ease in the NBA with fair playing time. I mean Spanoulis is a better all around scorer than Ellis is.

I would say Spanoulis could have averaged 15-16 a game in his rookie season with no problem if he just would have been given consistent playing time.

Monta Ellis is also a way better athlete than Spanoulis.

[Euroleague]

Monta Ellis is also a way better athlete than Spanoulis.

He can jump higher. That's it. Spanoulis is more athletic in every other facet actually.

[inclinerator]

Crazed troll indeed

[Sakkreth]

He can jump higher. That's it. Spanoulis is more athletic in every other facet actually.

Wtf. :facepalm

Spanoulis is a lot smarter player than Monta though.

[Soothing Layup]

Euroleague is dumb for feeding the trolls/retards. Everyone else in this thread, holy shit...

[Nick Young]

GODnoulis:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

*bump*

[kobron23]

ginobili > spanoulis

[Nick Young]

:banana:

[Nick Young]

What if prime Rafer or Luther Head played in Euroleague:bowdown:

[Iceman#44]

VASSILIS SPANOULIS CAREER STATS


NATIONAL LEAGUE
1999-00 - Larissa - 6.9 ppg in 13 games, .478 FG%
2000-01 - Larissa - 8.2 ppg in 26 games, .439 FG%
2001-02 - Maroussi - 4.9 ppg in 12 games, .489 FG%
2002-03 - Maroussi - 10.3 ppg in 29 games, .422 FG%
2003-04 - Maroussi - 11.1 ppg in 33 games, .456 FG%
2004-05 - Maroussi - 15.9 ppg in 35 games, .421 FG%
2005-06 - Panathinaikos - 11.0 ppg in 34 games, .446 FG%
2006-07 - Houston (NBA) - 2.7 ppg in 31 games, .319 FG%
2007-08 - Panathinaikos - 12.1 ppg in 36 games, .480 FG%
2008-09 - Panathinaikos - 10.2 ppg in 30 games, .455 FG%
2009-10 - Panathinaikos - 10.1 ppg in 31 games, .557 FG%
2010-11 - Olympiacos - 10.6 ppg in 30 games, .402 FG%
2011-12 - Olympiacos - 11.7 ppg in 31 games, .417 FG%
2012-13 - Olympiacos - 11.4 ppg in 33 games, .394 FG%



Career High 15.9 ppg on .421?? :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


I think Euroleague MVP is really a JOKE...Spanoulis won 2012-13 Mvp Award scoring 14.7 ppg in 31 games while shooting 141/355, .397 FG%!!!:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Euroleague: the only league in the WORLD where your MVP scores not even 15 ppg with .397 FG%:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

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