Expanded team buider game. 300+ players. A true test of lockout boredom.

[Kblaze8855]

I felt that I rushed it last time and made some of the picks too obvious. Damn near everyone had Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller, KG, or drob. so ive expanded it. Hopefully we get more varied teams.

This time I actually will look it over and decide who I think would be the final 4 teams if they all played in a league and then a winner. I know it takes effort to think these out for those of you who care...so I will put effort into judging them. Anyone else feels like ranking them...feel free. Just gonna post what I think. Id like t osee what we come up with given this many options.


Ive made the penalty for starting with an all time elite player even greater. This is how it goes...


Start with group 1 you get


1 from Level 1.

1 from level 3.

1 from level 4.

2 from level 5

2 from level 6

2 from level 7

3 from level 8.



Thats the price you pay for taking Jordan or shaq.


Start with group 2?



1 from level 2.

2 from level 3

2 from level 4

2 from level 5

2 from level 6

2 from level 7

1 from level 8


For 12 total players.


Fee lfree to explain your rotations or...dont. Do whatever you feel like to kill the offseason nothingness. I'll make a team later but wont include it when Irank them.




Group 1.



Jordan
Shaq
Wilt
Russell
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan




2.


David Robinson(90-96)
Ewing(89-94)
Lebron(06-10)
Wade(06-10)
Bob Pettit
Dirk(06-now)
Oscar robertson(peak)
Pippen
Karl Malone(whatever you consider his prime)
Bill Walton(Healthy...76-78 form)
Moses Malone(79-83)
Kobe(06-08)
Elgin Baylor
Barkley
Hondo(peak...early 70s)
Doctor J(prime)
Jerry West
Tmac(prime)
Kg(prime)
Dwight Howard now(hard to place...but a top 2 player right now justifies a level 2)



3.

Kidd
Isiah Thomas(prime)
Stockton
Gervin
Rick barry
Kemp
Bernard King(prime...healthy)
Dennis Johnson
Dave cowens
Bob Lanier
Carmelo
Mitch Richmond
Webber
Alex english
Derrick Rose now
Vince Carter(00-02)
Iverson(2000-2007)
Pierce(prime)
Nash(05-08)
Durant
Nate thurmond
Nique
Jerry Lucas
Drexler
Zo
Mchale
Adrian Dantley
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill(95-2000)
Willis Reed
Elvin Hayes
Pau Gasol
Kevin Johnson
Chris Paul
Pistol Pete
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Walt Frazier
Chris Mullin
Penny(94-98)
Wes unseld
Mark Price
Cousy
Deron Williams
Payton
Webber
Parish


4.

Brand
Blake(now)
Aldridge(now)
Boozer
Arenas(05-09)
Jerry Stackhouse(2000-2003)
Terry Porter
Derrick Coleman
Manu
Chris Bosh
Marbury(Nets/suns)
Rondo
Baron Davis(prime)
Mutombo
Brandon Roy(healthy)
Jamal Mashburn
Reggie Miller
Rasheed(prime)
Vin Baker
Sam Jones
Mcdyess(Nuggets)
Larry Johnson(Hornets)
Dennis Rodman(91-96)
Finley
Cassell
Manu
Joe Johnson
Mark jackson
Mitch Richmond
Dumars
Glenn Robinson
Worthy
Tom chambers(suns before 92)
Sprewell
Marbury(prime)
Kevin Willis
Ben Wallace(first pistons run)
Jermaine Oneal(prime)
Glen Rice(Charlotte)
Marion(prime)
Westbrook(now)
Al Jefferson
Tony Parker
Zach Randolph(now)
Chauncey Billups(03-09)




5.


Rudy Gay
Shawn elliot
Odom
Rip Hamilton
Deng
Andre Iguodala
Jalen Rose(Pacers)
Michael Adams(Bullets/Nuggets)
Richard Jefferson
Cedric Ceballos
Vanexel
Kevin Love
Antione walker(prime)
Larry Nance
Antawn Jamison(warriors to Wizards)
Jeff Hornacek
Artest(pacers)
Kenny Anderson(nets)
Josh Smith
Danny Granger
Anthony Mason
Detlef
AK47(prime)
Alan Houston
Kukoc
Buck williams
Stepheon Jackson
Bibby(kings)
Devin Harris(Nets)
Peja(kings)
John Starks
Caron Butler(wizards)
Rod Strickland
Jason Richardson(Peak...warriors)
Rik smits
Steve Francis
Shareef Abdur Rahim
Steve Smith
David West
Marcus Camby(prime
Eddie Jones
Gerald wallace(Bobcats)
Vlade(prime)
Seikaly
Bogut
Brook Lopez
Big Z
al Horford
Dan Majerle
Jim Jackson(mavs)



6.

PJ Brown(peak)
Doug Cristie
Hedo(first run with the Magic)
Beasley
Barbosa(suns)
john Salmons
Mo williams(bucks/cavs)
Noah
Laphonso Ellis
Jason Terry(now)
Marc Gasol
Paul Millsap
Keith Vanhorn(nets)
Theo Ratliff
Kendall Gill(hornets/nets)
OJ Mayo
Raja Bell(Suns)
Horace grant
Jameer Nelson
Michael Redd
Nene
Okur
Mark Eaton
Dennis Scott
brian Grant(Blazers)
Emeka
Nick Anderson
Tyson Chandler(hornets to now)
Andre Miller(peak))
Isiah Rider
Jamal Crawford
Horry(peak)
Larry Hughes(wizards)
Mookie blaylock
Raymond Felton



7.

Bobby Jackson
Korver
Dell Curry
Delonte West
Lindsey Hunter
Kirk Hinrich
Taj Gibson
Channing Frye
Ricky Davis(Cavs and Celtics)
Gortat
Rick Fox
K.Perkins
Aaron Mckie
Jason Willaims(Kings/Memphis)
Cuttino Mobley
Ruben Patterson
Michael cooper
Bruce Bowen
Nate robinson
Steve Blake
Ibaka
Thabo
Diaw(Suns)
Calderon
Chuck Hayes
Rafer alston
Derrick Fisher
Avery Johnson
James Posey
Al harrington
Mario elie
Tayshaun Prince
Muggsy
Brent Barry
Desmond Mason
Anderson Varejao
Shane Battier
Drew Gooden(Magic/cavs)
Tim Thomas
tony Allen
Aaron Affalo
Chris dudley
Tree rollins
Eric snow
Ben Gordon
Tyrone Hill
George Lynch
Derek Anderson


8.

*partly..jokes..the mascots/victory cigars...but some useful players*

Tyrus thomas
Hakim Warrick
Boobie Gibson
Jeff McInnis
Stromile swift
Darko
Smush Parker
chris childs
Mateen Cleaves
Craig Ehlo(better than several of these guys...but id be amused to see him on a team vs Jordan)
Tim Legler
Damon Jones
Tyron Lue(00-02)
Robin Lopez
Eddie House
Mikki Moore
charlie ward
Shawn Bradley
Kurt Rambis
Travis best
vonteego Cummings
Kwame Brown
Jason Kapono
Luke Walton(current)
Sun Yue
Manute Bol
Danny Ferry
Anthony Parker
Ike Austin
George Muresan
Keith Closs
Keon clark




Lets see what you can do bored people. Promise you wont see another of these topics till next lockout.

[eliteballer]

Moses should be tier 1...

[Kblaze8855]

Just because I like a bit of a challenge im gonna start with a level 1 anyway....


1.
Jordan


3.

Zo

4.

Manu

5.

Jeff Hornacek

Larry nance

6.

jameer nelson

robert horry

7.
Hinrich
Brent Barry

8.
Keon Clark
Eddie House
Manute Bol


Jameer Nelson/Hinrich/Eddie House
Manu/Jeff Hornacek
Jordan/brent Barry
Larry Nance/Robert horry
Zo/Keon/Manute


Jameer can play without the ball and pick his spots pretty well.

Jordan is Jordan. I have a madman who doesnt care about fouls and can touch 12 feet trying to block shots no matter who I have in at center. Horry can guard 4 positions in his prime. Larry Nance is the 80s Josh Smith with a brain. Hornacek can fill in at 3 positions, Hinrich can guard almost anyone under 6'7'' who isnt barkley or Larry Johnson, brent Barry plays 3 positions for me. Eddie House is a solid victor cigar/shooter off the bench who plays 12 minutes in the entire playoffs.

Id stop just about anyone and let Jordan loose to bring home close games with some combo of my 6 shooters(or 7 if I count horry) to keep doubles off him. Id ride with that team with Pop or chuck Daly as its coach.

[Kblaze8855]

Considered moses as a 1 but...it would just make sure he doesnt get taken at all. Perhaps by you. But nobody else. I doubt Magic, Bird, or Duncan even get taken. Theonly level 1s I see getting picked are Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq.

[eliteballer]

Isiah
Drexler
Worthy
Rodman
Moses

Manu
Deng
Bibby
Noah
Ho Grant
Michael Cooper
Diaw
Ehlo

-------------------------------

Isiah/Manu/Bibby
Drexler/Cooper/Ehlo
Worthy/Deng
Rodman/Ho Grant/Diaw
Moses/Noah

Playmaking, defense, athleticism, shooting, size, rebounding, slashing, post scoring its all there

[32MJ32]

Just because I like a bit of a challenge im gonna start with a level 1 anyway....


1.
Jordan


3.

Zo

4.

Manu

5.

Jeff Hornacek

Larry nance

6.

jameer nelson

robert horry

7.
Hinrich
Brent Barry

8.
Keon Clark
Eddie House
Manute Bol


Jameer Nelson/Hinrich/Eddie House
Manu/Jeff Hornacek
Jordan/brent Barry
Larry Nance/Robert horry
Zo/Keon/Manute


Jameer can play without the ball and pick his spots pretty well.

Jordan is Jordan. I have a madman who doesnt care about fouls and can touch 12 feet trying to block shots no matter who I have in at center. Horry can guard 4 positions in his prime. Larry Nance is the 80s Josh Smith with a brain. Hornacek can fill in at 3 positions, Hinrich can guard almost anyone under 6'7'' who isnt barkley or Larry Johnson, brent Barry plays 3 positions for me. Eddie House is a solid victor cigar/shooter off the bench who plays 12 minutes in the entire playoffs.

Id stop just about anyone and let Jordan loose to bring home close games with some combo of my 6 shooters(or 7 if I count horry) to keep doubles off him. Id ride with that team with Pop or chuck Daly as its coach.

Eddie House?

I'm staggered

[Jacks3]

Prime /KG/LBJ/Kobe/Wade are tier 1 players.

[Butters]

(2) Dirk
(3)Stockton
(3)Ray allen
(4)Mutombo
(4)Ben wallace
(5)Josh smith
(5)Peja
(6)Jason terry
(6)Horry
(7)Shane Battier
(7)D.Fish
(8)Manute Bol

Mostly just fun picked.

Starting line up

PG.Stockton
SG.Ray allen
SF.Peja
PF.Dirk
C.Mutumbo

[Kblaze8855]

Eddie would be good for a game tying 3 or two over 82 games on that team. He would only have a place on the court down 3 with 10 seconds or less to go.

Eddie House
manu
Jordan
Brent Barry
Horry

You leaving anyone if Jordan is about to drive?

[NugzHeat3]

Gary Payton / Derek Fisher
Manu Ginobili / Jeff Hornacek / Craig Ehlo
Chris Mullin / Ron Artest / Mario Elie
Rasheed Wallace / Horace Grant
Bill Walton / Manute Bol

- Started with Walton as he seems like a great guy to build your around offense around. Terrific passing ability from the high post and he was a great defender too. He seemed to have mastered defensive positioning. This is a guy you can build your offense and defense around.

- Two great low-post players in Payton and Sheed and Walton can very much hit the jumpshot to give them room down low.

- Excellent shooter in Mullin who can also run point forward. Magic compared him to Bird sometime in the early 90s because they were similar types on offense and defense. Mully's man defense was bad on the quicker guys but he would look great with Walton and he had quick hands which help in deflections and such.

- Sheed can be a knucklehead but under Walton's leadership, he would play smart, probably. Great defender with his length and good post-up game.

- Manu gives you great offense and underrated defense. He's relentless with his slashing and creativity on offense.

- Artest is the perimeter stopper. Bol the shot blocker or to give Walton a few minutes rest.

- Hornacek can take over shooting and playmaking duties. Ehlo to shut down Jordan like he did in the 1992 ECF (yeah I went there...[COLOR="White"]don

[iamgine]

PG Pippen (2)
SG Rodman (4)
SF Odom (5)
PF Webber (3)
C Yao (3)

[Stuckey]

Eddie would be good for a game tying 3 or two over 82 games on that team. He would only have a place on the court down 3 with 10 seconds or less to go.

Eddie House
manu
Jordan
Brent Barry
Horry

You leaving anyone if Jordan is about to drive?

not sure if srs

[Kblaze8855]

Very. up 3...thats a nightmare situation. Its pretty much give up the quick 2 to Jordan and start the game over if you make both fts...or actually attempt to stop him and leave someone open. People think coaches tell teams not to defend inside the 3 point line in those situations but its not what ive often seen. Kinda like how people assume a coach just fouls when up 3. But it rarely works out like that. Its not a dream situation(down 3 never is) but its a situation id feel confident id at worst...cut it to 1 with 6-7 seconds left. Which is enough. be a hard team to close out.

[NugzHeat3]

Very. up 3...thats a nightmare situation. Its pretty much give up the quick 2 to Jordan and start the game over if you make both fts...or actually attempt to stop him and leave someone open. People think coaches tell teams not to defend inside the 3 point line in those situations but its not what ive often seen. Kinda like how people assume a coach just fouls when up 3. But it rarely works out like that. Its not a dream situation(down 3 never is) but its a situation id feel confident id at worst...cut it to 1 with 6-7 seconds left. Which is enough. be a hard team to close out.
Won't have to double MJ.

GP stripped him straight up on the last possession of a regular season game in the 1995-96 season. Seattle was up 94-92.

OK that wasn't peak Jordan who was much quicker with less weight on but still.

[Stuckey]

1 shaq
4 arenas
4 rasheed
5 iguodala
7 afflalo

havent even seen Afflalo`s prime

get a shooting coach for Iguodala

[magnax1]

Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG

I actually didn't start off with KG. I saw Isiah and Barry, and thought they'd be interesting to build a team around, because they were as good as most guys in the second tier in terms of creating offense for their teams in the half court. So then, I looked for a guy who fit well with other ball dominant playesr in the second tier, and KG came to mind. Can stretch the floor, pass extremely well, versatile offensively, and DPOTY level on D. Reggie, and Barry are also great at spreading out an offense, so all in all, everyone has tons of room to work. Mutumbo, I obviously chose for his ability to block shots, but was also above average in the post. Iggy, is a good fit because he can run the offense for the bench, but also fits in with the insane athleticism (excluding Delonte) I built up for the bench. Also, the defense should be amazing. All the perimeter players are great at watching passing lanes, and they have Mumtumbo and KG to back them up since there are a couple gamblers. You could also throw in Iggy and Delonte in for longer periods to try and guard the best perimeter scorers if needed, and still always have a guy on the court that could create offense in KG Isiah or Barry.
Also it'd be awfully hard to guard a lineup of
Isiah
Reggie
Barry
Diaw
KG
In the clutch
For whatever reason, I ended up choosing mostly modern players lol.

[NuggetsFan]

Level 2:KG
Level 3: Kidd, Payton
Level 4: Rodman, Wallace
Level 5: Rudy Gay, Brook Lopez
Level 6: Barbosa, Crawford
Level 7: Bobby Jackson, Bruce Bowen
Level 8: Manute Bol.

Kidd|Barbosa
Payton|Crawford|Jackson
Gay|Bruce Bowen
KG|Rodman
Wallace|Lopez|Bol

Pretty random. Tons of defensive shutdown guy's like Payton, Kidd, KG, Wallace, Rodman etc. mixed in with sparks off the bench like Jackson and Barbosa\Crawford. Threw Gay in there to add another scorer. Lopez to add some post scoring and with guy's like Rodman and KG his trouble rebounding should be masked. Tried to build a team without a truly dominant offensive force ala MJ, Kobe, Iverson etc.

[chazzy]

CP3/Hinrich
Manu/Peja/Crawford
Durant/Bowen
Garnett/Odom/Current Rambis
Ben Wallace/Chandler

Real quick.. I'll do more tomorrow

[Aussie Outcast]

David Robinson / Tyson Chandler
Rasheed Wallace / Taj Gibson
Durant / Iggy / Beasley
Manu / Eddie Jones
Payton / Hinrich / Eddie House

This team has it all and I'd feel confident going up against any opponent. Team is based around athleticism, length and versatility. Every player here with the exception of my centres can play multiple positions, all have great size for their position and all are decent to great athletes making this a nightmare team defensively and in transition.

At the centre spot you got Drob anchoring the whole team with great defence, inside scoring to go with a pretty decent mid range game. He can beat most other centres up the court and he is a pretty decent passer (in 94 he averaged almost 5 assists). Behind him there is another athletic beast in Chandler. Chandler gives some good spot minutes and the defence doesnt suffer greatly when Robinson leaves the game.

At the 4 with Wallace and Gibson I again have great length, athleticism and defence both man to man and help side. Both these guys are great guarding on ball screens as well. Rasheed can go inside and post up or outside and hit the jump shot, great all round player. Gives me a great high low combination with Robinson and both of these guys can clear the paint and still be effective if Payton decides he wants to post.

Durant gives me some shooting, length on defense, a great rebounder from the 3 and some offense without having to have the ball in his hands all the time. Iggy is a utility guy who can come in and do anything you ask him to or shut down your best perimeter player. Beasley is there for some scoring off the bench if for some reason all my other players cant hit a shot.

Manu is a cagey guy who can shoot, pass, play defence and get into the teeth of your defense. He can handle the ball a bit as well to give payton a bit of a break. If payton is switched over to guarding the 2 man manu is quick enough when combined with his height and length to guard point guards for a brief period. Eddie Jones is just another long athlete who comes in and plays defence then gets out in transition. He's got a good mid range game and can hit the long jumper.

Gary Payton is a great floor general who can play both half court and a fast break type of game. Nobody is questioning him on defence and with the guys hes got behind him he would be an absolute nightmare to have on you. Gives you good scoring and ball distribution to boot. Hinrich can guard both 1's and 2's and can handle the ball and hit the long jumper to open lanes up for some of the other guys. Eddie House is on this team purely as a come on for 3 minutes and shoot every time type of guy who you just hope lights it up in the brief period he's out there.

This team has it all as I've said but I think the main strengths are its size, length and athleticism. All these guys are fabulous defenders and with their length and athleticism I think in a team defensive setting its going to be too hard for opposition teams to be able to find consistent baskets.

[Juvenile]

Picked Tier 1 - Top to Bottom

C: Hakeem Olajuwon/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Robert Horry/Serge Ibaka
SF: Kevin Durant/Craig Ehlo/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/Allan Houston
PG: Kenny Anderson/Kirk Hinrich/Charlie Ward

Picked Tier 2 - Bottom to Top

C: Alonzo Mourning/Marc Gasol
PF: Kevin Love/Serge Ibaka
SF: Lebron James/Hedo Turkoglu/Bruce Bowen
SG: Mitch Richmond/Allan Houston/Anthony Parker
PG: John Stockton/Russell Westbrook

Picked Tier 2 - Top to Bottom

C: Alonzo Mourning/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Josh Smith/Serge Ibaka
SF: Gerald Wallace/Hedo Turkoglu
SG: Kobe Bryant/Michael Cooper/Anthony Parker
PG: John Stockton/Russell Westbrook

Btw: Mitch Richmond ist both on tier 3 and 4. Selected him as tier 4 obviously :lol: Besides him, I think Sheed, Russel Westbrook and Marc Gasol are value picks respective to their tier. So is Allan Houston.

I like the third team best.

I have all NBA defense at every position, only with a the 1987 DPOY coming in of the bench, two elite PF defensive guys and one of the quickest and strongest PGs ever. The only two non-elite defenders on my team are Hedo and Marc Gasol.

I lack a little in shooting, but Stockton was a career 0.384 shooter, topping at .462. Cooper was at .38 in his DPOY season. Hedo is at .385 for his career. Sheed is at .342. Parker is at .415.

My closing lineup would be Stockton/Westbrook/Kobe/G.Wallace/R.Wallace. If i need a three, i play Stockton/Parker/Kobe/Turkoglu/Sheed. Thats good enough for me.

[RobertdeMeijer]

There are some crazy good teams made by guys here. I don't think mine would win to be honest.

Most of all, I went for personalities that I thought would love to work together. Then I went for defense, size, nasties, offensive rebounding and hoping to win at the last moment with three point shooting after the opponent is all beaten up. Winning with scores like 72-68... hopefully.


Strategy: spread out on offense, use hard screens and shoot longballs with Stock, Dumars, Parish, Blaylock, Christie, Bowen and Battier. Have Rodman, Moses, Nance and Mutombo clean up. If all else fails, have Stockton go pick and roll.
Play like 90's Knickerboxers on defense. Almost everybody on this team has All-Defense awards. And full of attitude. They'll hit anything that moves. Or doesn't move.


Order of choice:
2 Moses (rebounding, size as power forward)
.519 .000 .762 14.7 1.8 0.9 1.5 31.1

3 Parish (all round big guy with range. Will keep his cool. And if he doesn't, he might get away like he did with Laimbeer)
.542 .000 .710 10.8 1.8 0.9 2.4 19.9

3 Stockton (nasty, can make any team work offensively, will defend holding onto opponent's balls)
.514 .416 .819 2.6 14.5 2.7 0.2 17.2

4 Mutombo (size, rebounding)
.537 .000 .670 11.4 1.0 0.4 3.4 13.4

4 Rodman (more nasties and rebounding. Will lock down best player on opponent)
.539 .317 .600 18.7 2.3 0.8 0.9 9.8

5 Larry Nance (size, shotblocking, athletic)
.551 .200 .773 8.7 3.4 1.2 2.1 22.5

5 Joe Dumars (defense, shooting and passing. I heard he's good at guarding Jordan)
.466 .375 .864 1.9 4.0 1.0 0.1 23.5

6 Doug Christie (defense and some shooting)
.417 .384 .775 5.3 3.9 2.5 0.6 14.5

6 Mookie Blaylock (speedy defense and can shoot and pass)
.432 .366 .753 5.3 5.9 2.7 0.3 17.4

7 Bruce Bowen (Our logo)
.433 .424 .607 3.9 1.5 1.0 0.4 7.5

7 Shane Battier (good to have around. Can shoot and defend. Along with Stock and Rambis, will give us a cleaner image)
.446 .421 .779 4.1 2.1 1.0 0.7 10.1

8 Kurt Rambis (will hack opponent's #1 pick until fouled out if necessary)
.518 .000 .734 9.4 2.1 1.3 0.8 11.1

Setup:
PG: John Stockton / Mookie Blaylock
SG: Joe Dumars / Doug Christie
SF: Dennis Rodman / Bruce Bowen / Shane Battier
PF: Moses Malone / Larry Nance / Kurt Rambis
C: Robert Parish / Dikembe Mutombo

[LJJ]

Chris Paul / Kenny Anderson
Vince Carter / Isaiah Rider / Ricky Davis
Julius Erving / Desmond Mason
Blake Griffin / Antonio McDyess / Stromile Swift
Larry Nance / Tyson Chandler

[Toizumi]

Chris Paul / Kenny Anderson
Vince Carter / Isaiah Rider / Ricky Davis
Julius Erving / Desmond Mason
Blake Griffin / Antonio McDyess / Stromile Swift
Larry Nance / Tyson Chandler

Damn that team would be fun too watch :eek:

[ImmortalD24]

PG: Chauncey Billups/ Bobby Jackson/ Eddie House
SG: The Mamba/ Bruce Bowen
SF: Paul Pierce/ Stephen Jackson
PF: Rasheed Wallace/ Robert Horry
C: Kevin McHale/ Vlade Divac/ Mark Eaton


/game over

[Juvenile]

PG: Chauncey Billups/ Bobby Jackson/ Eddie House
SG: The Mamba/ Bruce Bowen
SF: Paul Pierce/ Stephen Jackson
PF: Rasheed Wallace/ Robert Horry
C: Kevin McHale/ Vlade Divac/ Mark Eaton


/game over

Who's your backup PG again? Kobe and Pierce are redundant. McHale is not a center. Far from game over.

[Kblaze8855]

Kevins greatest talent is partly negated on that team because Kobe and Pierce arent standing around watching him take 6 seconds(long timewhen you watch it) to score and hardly ever pass out. I bet he would score 10ppg in 22 minutes on that team. Vlade would eat up a lot of his PT. High post player and his passing? The guards would love him.

[Pushxx]

Going with option 1 makes for the dirtiest team:

Gary Payton / Delonte West / Eddie House
Rip Hamilton / Raja Bell
Larry Bird / James Posey / Jason Kapono
Rasheed Wallace
Al Horford / Tyson Chandler / Manute Bol

This team is filled with champion players. This starting lineup has the nastiest defense, floor spacing, post-up ability, and playmaking.

[Brunch@Five]

Bill Walton / Divac
Webber / H Grant
Worthy / Schrempf / Luke Walton
Dumars / Terry / Battier
Kidd / A Johnson

father and son on the same team :rockon:

main objection might be shooting in my starting five, but with Terry and Schrempf off the bench not so much. Defense is exceptional.
Bill Walton is the x-factor here. Healthy and at his best possibly a tier-1 player.
Insanely unselfish team and great at passing, especially at the big positions (Walton, Divac and Webber both among the best ever at their position, as well as Kidd at PG)
Terry and Schrempf are all former 6th man of the year award winners, so my first substitutes won't make the team be missing a beat.

[ImmortalD24]

Who's your backup PG again? Kobe and Pierce are redundant. McHale is not a center. Far from game over.No, they're not redundant. Far from it. Kobe and Pierce would get along just fine. Pierce is a great set shooter, he can play off the ball and let Kobe create.. he's also a good two way player.


Bobby Jackson is an excellent 6th man.. He is the midrange/ explosive version of Jason Terry. He can handle the rock 1on1, play off the ball, the whole nine.

You don't need pure PG's when you have plenty of guys that can create in 1on1 situations and for their teammates. Pure PG's are redundant. Kobe has played with Derek Fisher just fine for years.


McHale is a pf/ center. He can matchup with most big men outside of tier 1 just fine. If not, you have Eaton, Vlade and Sheed that can alternate on them, while he plays more PF.


Again.. game over.

[Brunch@Five]

C: Alonzo Mourning/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Josh Smith/Serge Ibaka
SF: Gerald Wallace/Hedo Turkoglu
SG: Kobe Bryant/Michael Cooper/Anthony Parker
PG: John Stockton/Russell Westbrook

Would like the team more if not for overrated Sheed at PF.7 rpg in his prime? (technical) foul prone as well. Gerald Wallace would not be a factor at all at SF against almost all other SFs selected.

[LJJ]

Would like the team more if not for overrated Sheed at PF.7 rpg in his prime? (technical) foul prone as well. Gerald Wallace would not be a factor at all at SF against almost all other SFs selected.

He is the best rebounding SF on the list. Would make up for Sheed's weakness.

[Brunch@Five]

He is the best rebounding SF on the list. Would make up for Sheed's weakness.

If this was a fast-breaking team yes. But with Stockton and Bryant, this clearly is a half-court team. Wallace is almost useless. The Zo/Wallace/Wallace frontcourt clearly is disfunctional.

[Kblaze8855]

Id say right now two of my early picks for the "playoffs" would be :


Gary Payton / Derek Fisher
Manu Ginobili / Jeff Hornacek / Craig Ehlo
Chris Mullin / Ron Artest / Mario Elie
Rasheed Wallace / Horace Grant
Bill Walton / Manute Bol

and

Bill Walton / Divac
Webber / H Grant
Worthy / Schrempf / Luke Walton
Dumars / Terry / Battier
Kidd / A Johnson


Not the most talented...but I think they might play together better than most teams that have more stars. They could function as a team I suspect. Not just great on paper. I cant seen anyone on either team holding them back with any kind of selfishness or acting up. Ron I guess...but...how likely is it to happen again?

[Fatal9]

1. Hakeem
3. Chris Paul
4. Manu
5. AK47, Bogut
6. Horry, Bell
7. Hinrich, Brent Barry
8. Rambis, Anthony Parker, Keon Clark

Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich

Hakeem = cornerstone. in his prime he was a flawless player. unstoppable scoring in the post, great decision-making/passing, an assassin in big games, very good rebounder, amazingly active help defender/shot blocker, great/calm/respected leader, ability to outplay anyone put in front of him...he leaves you nothing to criticize.

Paul = gets the ball to everyone where they need it, amazing shooter, great defender, blends talent seamlessly to the team.

Manu = dynamic playmaker/scorer, clutch, game changer, great shooter.

ak47 = people forgetting how good he was. was a really good passer in the offense, gave you 15-20 pts without needing the ball much, could dominate game without scoring much with his amazing help defense, and brings in defensive versatility (can guard SGs, SFs and some PFs).

Bogut gives more post scoring, great interior defense, smart passer/team player, elite rebounder at his position.

Horry there because he fits so well with dominant offensive centers. Gives them space, makes doubles pay, plays solid defense and a clutch ass mofo. Bell to shoot 3s at 40+% and play solid man defense.

Barry for shooting...I hated him because he was so good at making threes...AK's weakness is outside shooting, Barry helps out there. Hinrich, can defend both guard spots, can shoot, can run both guard spots...perfect as a backup to CP3.

Rambis gives you solid minutes where he will provide, hustle, rebound, make himself available to finish under the basket, dude was a 20 mpg player on four championship teams...lets respect him. Parker can shoot. And Keon Clark gives me athleticism, some scoring and a good after party.

[Pushxx]

Who's your backup PG again? Kobe and Pierce are redundant. McHale is not a center. Far from game over.

Kobe and Pierce could definitely play well together.

Both aren't known as catch-and-shoot guys but are both good enough shooters to be elite catch-and-shoot off-the-ball players.

[Kblaze8855]

I just noticed Raja is a 6 and Kirk a 7. That shouldnt be....

[chips93]

2.
David Robinson(90-96)

3.
Stockton
Carmelo

4.
Rasheed(prime)
Sprewell

5.
Allan Houston
Antawn Jamison(warriors to Wizards)

6.
Jason Terry(now)
Okur

7.
Diaw(Suns)
Shane Battier

8.
Boobie Gibson


stockton / terry / boobie
sprewell / houston
melo / battier
sheed / jamison / diaw
d-rob / okur

all great defensive players except melo in the starting 5. stockon/robinson pick and roll should be the centre piece, with melo isos afterwards. stockton should be able to get a lot out of spree and sheed.

instant offense in terry off of the bench, jamison can cause mismatches, shoot 3s against PFs, and post up SFs, houston, and battier provide 3pt shooting, and battier is a defensive stopper, houston as another spark plug scorer, and finally okur can pull shot blocking centers (of which im sure many will be picked) away from the rim. diaw can facilitate ball movement, boobie can hit the 3pt shot, and together they can play all 5 positions, well just about.

[qrich]

Level 1: Michael Jordan
Level 3: Chris Webber
Level 4: Ben Wallace
Level 5: Andre Iguodala, Mike Bibby
Level 6: Maurice Williams, Mehmet Okur
Level 7: Serge Ibaka, Cuttino Mobley
Level 8: Anthony Parker, Darko Milicic, Eddie House

PG: Bibby | MoWilliams | Eddie House
SG: Jordan | Mobley
SF: Iguodala | Anthony Parker
PF: C. Webber | Ibaka
CE: B. Wallace | Okur | Darko Milicic

At the point, you have three sharp shooters.
MJ at the duece, obviously, but throw in Mobley off the bench and that looks solid.
Jack of all trades at the three with a defensive backup.
Webber is among my favorite PFs of all time, Ibaka is size off the bench.
Wallace protects the rim, gobbles up every rebound. Memo provides offense when needed and Darko is Darkoooooooooooo

[Kblaze8855]

Id say my third "playoff" team is:

Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich



I think everyone on that team knows how to defer and is willing to do it. Chris Paul the last few years has times where he just flat wont shoot. He would probably put up 14 points and 12 assists on 56% shooting on this team. They could function as a real lineup I suspect.

[i3etz]

Magic/Hinrich/House
Ceballos/Crawford
Nance/Hedo/Barry
Rasheed/Clark
Thurmond/Bol

You have Magic to set up everyone. Two low post scorers who are also great defenders and Rasheed can play center. Ceballos is there for shooting, and Nance is a great athlete. Crawford can come off the bench and play point or two guard. Hedo can play point foward at times and go to the four depending on matchups. Barry to Stretch the defence, and Hinrich for defence. House is there so he can do his "Big Balls" celebration every game.

Not really a dominate scorer on the team but there would be good ball movement, good defence at the rim and easy points since Magic is our point guard.

[G-train]

Dwight Howard now(hard to place...but a top 2 player right now justifies a level 2)



Probably sits between 3 and 4. Your justification reasoning is a) Wrong and b) poor.

[Lebron23]

2 - LeBron James

3 - Durant and Isiah Thomas

4 - Dikembe Mutombo and Blake Griffin

5 - Kevin Love and Michael Adams

6 - Tyson Chandler and Michael Redd

7 Shane Battier and Michael Cooper

8 - Derek Fisher



Dikembe Mutombo/Tyson Chandler
Blake Griffin/Kevin Love
LeBron James/Shane Battier
Kevin Durant/Michael Redd/Michael Cooper
Isiah Thomas/Michael Adams/Derek Fisher

[Kblaze8855]

Probably sits between 3 and 4. Your justification reasoning is a) Wrong and b) poor.

7...perhaps 8 people in level 3 ever had a case to be better than Dwight was last season. While 9 people in level 2 were arguably no better than him. Nobody on level 4 ever played as well as Dwight just did. He earned a #2. He led a team to the finals and hes better now than he was then. He earned a #2. Only 7 of the #2s ever did anything significant in their entire careers that he has not done at 25 or 26. Whatever he is.

[DC Zephyrs]

PG: Chris Paul/ Kirk Hinrich
SG: Chris Mullin/ Jason Terry/ Anthony Parker
SF: Shawn Marion/ Andre Iguadala
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/ Al Horford/ Serge Ibaka
C: Dikembe Mutumbo/ Joakim Noah

[hayden695]

Bill Walton/Nene/Bol(efficient scoring from Nene, and comedy from Bol)
McHale/Rodman(Ultimate hustle, needs no shots to be great obv.)
Kirilenko/Horry(like size at this spot)
Reggie Miller/Eddie Jones/Michael Cooper(great defense at both backup guards)
CP3/Hinrich(Can defend multiple positions)

Thoughts?

I feel building around Walton is a pretty easy pick, since he can be built around easily and his only big weakness in all time ratings is longevity, which isn't a problem here.

Might try an option 1, think this will be better though.

[ljsbb27]

PG: Jason Kidd - Kirk Hinrich - Daniel Gibson

SG: Michael Jordan - Jason Terry

SF: Ron Artest - Tayshaun Prince

PF: David West - Tyrus Thomas - Keon Clark

C: Dikembe Mutombo - Marc Gasol

Well-rounded. Diverse. Athletic. Multi-dimensional. Extremely versatile.
An extremely intense, physical, quick, long, and smart defensive team. A number of these guys can guard multiple positions. Rotations would be pretty close to perfect. 4 out of the 5 startes are all time great defenders at their positions who can lock down their opponent 1 on 1. Offensively Jordan would obviously be the go to guy, but the guys around him could score to match their strengths with this group. The bench fills in very nicely with good defensive players to keep the same intensity as well as guys who could maintain the scoring. We have clutchness as well. Pretty great team all around in my opinion.

[hayden695]

PG: Jason Kidd - Kirk Hinrich - Daniel Gibson

SG: Michael Jordan - Jason Terry

SF: Ron Artest - Tayshaun Prince

PF: David West - Tyrus Thomas - Keon Clark

C: Dikembe Mutombo - Marc Gasol

Well-rounded. Diverse. Athletic. Multi-dimensional. Extremely versatile.
An extremely intense, physical, quick, long, and smart defensive team. A number of these guys can guard multiple positions. Rotations would be pretty close to perfect. 4 out of the 5 startes are all time great defenders at their positions who can lock down their opponent 1 on 1. Offensively Jordan would obviously be the go to guy, but the guys around him could score to match their strengths with this group. The bench fills in very nicely with good defensive players to keep the same intensity as well as guys who could maintain the scoring. We have clutchness as well. Pretty great team all around in my opinion.
Not alot of outside shooting in your starting lineup.

[eliteballer]

Why wouldnt my team have chemistry kblaze? all team players

[hayden695]

Here is my option 1 team.

Shaq/ Marc Gasol/ Manute
Horry/ Hakeem Warrick/ Tyrus Thomas
Hill/ Artest
Manu/ Cooper
Hinrich/ Hornacek


Thoughts?

[ljsbb27]

Using option 2 I was able to create an even more versatile team with more depth as well.

PG: Chris Paul -Jameer Nelson

SG: Joe Johnson - Jason Richardson - Tony Allen

SF: Kevin Durant - Gerald Wallace

PF: Kevin Garnett - Taj Gibson

C: Dikembe Mutombo - Marc Gasol - Brook Lopez

I'll take both of my teams against any of the teams that were created here.
I'll tell you one thing I'd love to be able to watch these games. lol

[Juvenile]

Tier 2

Kevin Garnett PF

Tier 3

Chris Paul PG
Yao Ming C

Tier 4

Mitch Richmond SG
Rasheed Wallace PF

Tier 5

Detlef Schrempf SF/PF
Lamar Odom SF/PF

Tier 6

Jameer Nelson PG
Michael Redd SG

Tier 7

Marcin Gortat C
Kirk Hinrich PG/SG

Tier 8

Anthony Parker SG/SF

Rotation

C: Yao Ming/ Marcin Gortat
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Rasheed Wallace
SF: Lamar Odom/ Detlef Schrempf/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/ Michael Redd/ Kirk Hinrich
PG: Chris Paul/ Jameer Nelson/

Thats a versatile team with 4 great interior defenders. We all saw, what KG can do to a teams defense in Boston. Sheed is one of the better man-to-man defenders in the history of the game. Yao is just huge, while Gortat can move his feet and still is strong enough to defend everybody but Shaq and maybe Wilt.

If need be, Lamar and Detlef are both tall small forwards that can slide to the 4. If we face a small team, Parker and Richmond are both tall and strong and can defend quicker small forwards. Both Richmond and Redd are amazing shooters that will run around screens all day, but both are not necessary great penetrators that need the ball in their hands. Much rather, we'll have Chris Paul handle the ball and set everybody up. Great shooter, even better at penetrating, be it 1on1 or off the pick and roll. Jamee will back him up for 10-12 minutes without screwing things up. Kirk Hinrich provides a quality defender for both guard spots if we need one.

No selfish players on that team, noone who is only effective with the ball in his hands. Everybody on the team except for Gortat is at least a good shooter, even if Sheed and Odom are a bit shaky from three. Schrempf is a .38 for his career from three, Parker at .41, Richmond at .39, Redd at .38, Hinrich at .38, Jameer at .39, Paul at .36 and improving. Yao and Paul can create for themselves and others, all should be contet with their roles.

And I filled at least 15 minutes of lockout and lunch break boredom.

[tobethdope]

Jordan 1
Durant 3
Rondo 4
Marcus Camby 5
Josh Smith 5

Horry 6
Tyson Chandler 6
Tayshaun Prince 7
Bruce Bowen 7
Luke Walton 8
Kurt Rambis 8
Shawn Bradley 8

[tobethdope]

option 2

Dwight Howard 2
Durant 3
Grant Hill(95-2000) 3
Ben Wallace 4
Rondo 4


Kevin Love 5
Peja(kings) 5
Horry(peak) 6
Jason Terry(now) 6
Anderson Varejao 7
Avery Johnson7
Kurt Rambis 8

[Toizumi]

1 from Level 1.
Shaquille O’Neal

1 from level 3.
Clyde Drexler

1 from level 4.
Ben Wallace

2 from level 5
Peja Stojakovic
Eddie Jones

2 from level 6
Andre Miller
Horace Grant

2 from level 7
Brent Barry
Michael Cooper

3 from level 8.
Shawn Bradley
Anthony Parker
Hakim Warrick



Rotation:

PG: Andre Miller/Eddie Jones
Andre Miller is great at running a team and a decent defender as well. He likes to push the pace, but when needed, he can slow it down as well. I think that I have a team that can both run, or play a halfcourt set and Dre should decide the tempo. He’s been a good decisionmaker throughout his career. He lacks an outside jumper though..
I picked Eddie Jones in the previous team builder as well. He played PG at times in Charlotte and made good plays when he did. Naturally a wing player, but he's not bad at leading a squad as a PG and he can defend 1s as well (great defender). Also has a good shot, which helps me a lot, since my starting PG is not a great shooter. I can also play him at SG, next to Dre (or Brent Barry) as my PG.


SG: Clyde Drexler/Brent Barry/Anthony Parker
Drexler was great in his day. We’ve seen the success of the Wade/Shaq combo and the Kobe/Shaq combo. IMO, peak Drexler is around the same level as those guys. Great scorer and a willing passer as well. His driving ability would create opportunities for guys like Peja, Barry, Eddie Jones to get open shots. Andre Miller is a willing passer and he would get Clyde the ball enough to be effective.
Barry gives me some range and solid overall play. He can hit some big shots when he needs to.
Eddie Jones (listed at PG) would get minutes at SG as well, good shooter, good defender. Parker wouldn’t get much burn, but he is a smart roleplayer who could be used to give my wingplayers some rest. Decent all around player.


SF: Peja Stojakovic/Michael Cooper
Prime Peja was great.. Not a great passer, ballhandler or defender. But you could make a case for prime Peja being the best shooter ever. He would form a great inside outside duo with Shaq (you can’t front/double Shaq with Peja is on the wing). Drexler is a good passer (off the dribble as well) and so are most of my wing players. It would take great defense and some sacrifice (no help) to keep Peja from getting open looks. He could score of the dribble as well. Tough cover. What I like about him is that he doesn’t need the ball to be effective or dangerous. Him just being there (waiting outside the 3pt line) changes the whole game. Miller and Drexler are my main ball handlers and Shaq would need his touches down low. Peja.. steady waiting for the ball.

Coop is my top wing defender, who could be used at SG as well. Former defensive player of the year, who could come in and guard the opposing team’s best (wing) player. He can get me some buckets as well, that’s why I picked him over Bruce Bowen.
I could form a defensive backcourt of Eddie Jones and Michael Cooper. Nice option to have.


PF: Ben Wallace/Horace Grant/Hakim Warrick
Ben was more of a C... but I put him at PF. He would provide the team with leadership on defense and would form a crazy rebounding/shotblocking front court with Shaq. I don’t really need points from my starting PF. My only issue with Ben is that he doesn’t have any range, which would allow opposing teams to give more defensive attention to Shaq. He would get minutes as C as well though, when Shaq is out.

Horace Grant is a rugged defender, a great rebounder and a good finisher. Made the right plays (good percentages, low amount of turnovers). Great guy to have of the bench, or in the starting lineup even. Also, Grant is a proven winner (4 rings) that doesn’t need to be one of the main guys on the team to be effective.
Warrick wouldn’t get many minutes, but he could score some buckets of the bench.


C: Shaquille O’Neal/Shawn Bradley
Prime Shaq was a monster so I took him with the first pick. IMO no player rivals him when it comes to his 00-02 championship seasons. I believe that he could overpower any player in NBA history during those times.
I have a great defensive team around him and a team that’s willing to pass. Shaq is there for his scoring and his rebounding. As long as nobody would slow him down he'd be the first and only option for my team.. just dump the ball down low to Shaq. He was a decent passer and he would form great inside outside combo's with Peja, Drexler. Defensively my starting lineup would be more than intimidating as well, with Big Ben and Shaq down low.
Bradley would be my third string Center, Big Ben would shift to C when Shaq goes out. Bradley is somewhat underrated. He got dunked on a million times which changed the perception of him as a player. He was great at contesting shots and shotblocking and because he contested so much shots, he got dunked on so often (like all the best shotblockers have). He finished top 5 in BPG for each of his first 7 years in the league. Could get me a few buckets and eventhough he is a bad rebounder considering his length, he’d still get me some boards of the bench.

[Da KO King]

I went with the second option and came away with:

G: Mike Bibby (5)
G: Joe Johnson (4)
F: LeBron James (2)
F: Chris Webber (3)
C: Pau Gasol (3)
6: Joe Dumars (4)
7: Andrew Bogut (5)
8: Michael Cooper (7)
Bench: Anderson Varejao (7), OJ Mayo (6), Keith Van Horn (6), Keon Clark (8)

Obviously the center piece is LeBron James. James has excellent ballscreen bigs in Gasol, Webber, and Bogut. Prime-Bibby was a scoring lead guard that played well in ballscreens and moved well without the ball giving James a perimeter threat too. Joe Johnson is a poor man's James so the offense does not have to make a dramatic shift is philosophy when the ball is out of James' hand.

All three of the key bigs are capable scorers and passers on the low block. This means the team can dump the ball in low to create offense from the inside-out instead of always going outside-in.

Granted this scenario is total fantasy but I liked the idea of teaming Bibby and Joe Dumars with OJ Mayo. I felt like Mayo would learn a lot from those two. Learn how to play PG without dominating the ball from Bibby and how to effectively swing between guard spots from Dumars.

Dumars combo guard ability helps make coaching easier. If Bibby is getting molested on defense he can take over, yet if Johnson is having one of his weekly "why the hell is he shooting so much" games Dumars can take his spot too.

Michael Cooper is there for his versatility on both ends of the floor. The guy was the Lakers go-to defender against anyone that wasn't a full time center and essentially was the backup point man on offense.

Everyone else is a role player. Van Horn for interior to mid-range scoring, Mayo for mid-range to perimeter scoring (also a development prospect), Varejao is interior defense, and Clark is high energy to get the team/crowd going.

[Dunn]

1 from group 2: David Robinson

2 from group 3: Gary Payton, Grant Hill

2 from group 4: Latrell Sprewell, Dennis Rodman

2 from group 5: Marcus Camby, Eddie Jones

2 from group 6: PJ Brown, Andre Miller

2 from group 7: Michael Cooper, Shane Battier

1 from group 8: Manute Bol


Rotation:
PG: Gary Payton / Andre Miller
SG: Latrell Sprewell / Michael Cooper
SF: Grant Hill / Eddie Jones / Shane Battier
PF: Dennis Rodman / PJ Brown
C: David Robinson / Marcus Camby / Manute Bol

[RobertdeMeijer]

1 from group 2: David Robinson

2 from group 3: Gary Payton, Grant Hill

2 from group 4: Latrell Sprewell, Dennis Rodman

2 from group 5: Marcus Camby, Eddie Jones

2 from group 6: PJ Brown, Andre Miller

2 from group 7: Michael Cooper, Shane Battier

1 from group 8: Manute Bol


Rotation:
PG: Gary Payton / Andre Miller
SG: Latrell Sprewell / Michael Cooper
SF: Grant Hill / Eddie Jones / Shane Battier
PF: Dennis Rodman / PJ Brown
C: David Robinson / Marcus Camby / Manute Bol

I really like this one!

[Da KO King]

Rotation:
PG: Gary Payton / Andre Miller
SG: Latrell Sprewell / Michael Cooper
SF: Grant Hill / Eddie Jones / Shane Battier
PF: Dennis Rodman / PJ Brown
C: David Robinson / Marcus Camby / Manute BolWell done. :applause:

I'd love to see your squad face mine.

[NugzHeat3]

That squad is not well done at all for the sole fact that David Robinson and Rodman could never get along to save their life. Rodman hated his guts and never respected him as a player.

It's one of the reasons the Spurs collapsed in the post-season in 1994 and 1995.

Then you have another guy not really beneficial to team chemistry in Latrell Sprewell.

[Da KO King]

That squad is not well done at all for the sole fact that David Robinson and Rodman could never get along to save their life. Rodman hated his guts and never respected him as a player.

It's one of the reasons the Spurs collapsed in the post-season in 1994 and 1995.

Then you have another guy not really beneficial to team chemistry in Latrell Sprewell.
I think you're being overly critical. Sprewell wasn't liked by the media but was liked very well by teammates and despite Rodman's antics he never was a guy not to do his job.

[Sneaky]

Group 2

PG Kidd (3)/ Westbrook(4) / Sun Yue (8)

SG Pistol Pete (3)/ Redd (6) / Thabo (7)

SF Ron Artest (5)/ Gay (5) / Thabo (7)

PF Griffin (4)/ Ibaka (7)

C Ewing (2)/ Marc Gasol (6) / Ibaka (7)

[NugzHeat3]

I think you're being overly critical. Sprewell wasn't liked by the media but was liked very well by teammates and despite Rodman's antics he never was a guy not to do his job.
I disagree.

Rodman was a huge distraction in any situation where he did not respect the team and it's leader and likewise, where he didn't feel he was respected.

Rodman was kept under control by Jordan, Phil and co and on a team with a gritty leader in Zeke and mastermind in Daly. Those also happen to be the only two teams he succeeded.

Dennis openly called out Robinson for not being able to guard Hakeem, refused to guard his man in order to get boards and refused to get in the huddles durings timeouts. He's shown a lot of negativity to Robinson in his autobiography questioning his leadership and mental toughness.

Spree, I thought often took bad shots (main reason for his low shooting %) and hurt his teams on the offensive end. His attitude was questioned in Minny if I'm not mistaken.

Floor spacing also seems questionable on that team though the defense both on the perimeter and interior would be off the charts.

[DC Zephyrs]

Tier 1

PG: John Stockton/Barbosa
SG: Michael Jordan/Anthony Parker/Eddie House
SF: Luol Deng/Brent Barry
PF: Kevin Love/Ibaka/Nick Collison
C: Ben Wallace/Tyson Chandler/Darko

[J.Pullicin]

I went with the second option:

Level 2: LeBron (06-10)

LeBron from 06-10 was amazing, and no one could stop him from getting into the paint. He has great court vision and is an excellent passer. His jumper 08-10 is much improved, but erratic. He'll be the PG and play some backup SF.

Level 3: Kevin Durant and Pau Gasol

Durant is a 6'11'' SF with a 7'5'' wingspan and a jumpshot like butter. He's great at playing off the ball and he has a nice turnaround jumper in the post. With his length and quick release, his shot is very hard to defend. Durant draws a lot of fouls and is an excellent FT shooter. He's also not bad at defense.

Pau is a long, athletic 7'0" PF/C with great fundamentals. He has a great post game and can hit a hook shot with both hands. He's great at the P-n-R or P-n-P and is a great passer out of the post. He is very efficient, but low-usage, shooting 15 times a game on avg. on 52% shooting and since 07-08, 78-82% FT shooting. Pau is a very good defender, effectively using his length and smarts to block shots.

Level 4: Joe Dumars and Dikembe Mutombo

Dumars is a 6'3" combo-guard with long arms and great defense. He is an excellent clutch performer, winning the '89 NBA Finals MVP, and a great shooter, shooting 46% from the floor, 38% from three, and 84% from the line. He made five All-Defensive Teams, making the 1st Team four times.

Mutombo is a long, athletic 7'2" C with amazing defense and rebounding abilities. For five straight seasons, he led the league in total blocked shots from 93-94 to 97-98, and from 93-94 to 95-96, blocks per game. Dikembe also led the league in total rebounds for four seasons, and from 99-00 to 00-01, rebounds per game. Four time Defensive Player of the Year, Mutombo is also a capable post scorer.

Level 5: AK47 (prime) and Larry Nance

Prime AK47 is a 6'9" forward who can fill up the stat sheet. He can guard SGs, SFs, and some PFs, and play amazing help defense. AK47 has quick hands and plays the passing lanes very well. He is a good passer and off-ball cutter.

Larry Nance is a very athletic PF who can run the floor and defend. He has 2.2 BPG for his career, and made three NBA All-Defensive Teams, making the 1st Team in 88-89. He averaged 17.1 PPG for his career.

Level 6: Michael Redd and Mehmet Okur

Michael Redd is a poor man's Ray Allen, so much so that the Bucks traded Ray to Seattle to make room for him. He averaged 26.7 PPG at his peak before injury.

Okur is a 6'11" C with a great 3pt. shot. He can draw shot-blocking centers outside with his presence, making room for LeBron or Durant to drive the lane.

Level 7: Kirk Hinrich and Channing Frye

Kirk is the backup PG. Steady and dependable, he's a good 3pt. shooter, shooting 38% for his career and 41.5% in his best season, 06-07, when he averaged 16.6 PPG on 44.8% shooting and 6.3 APG. Kirk is also an excellent defender, locking up Dwyane Wade in the 1st round, en route to a sweep of the defending NBA Champions.

Channing Frye is the black Mehmet Okur, only slightly better as a shooter.

Level 8: Anthony Parker

Anthony Parker is a good shooter who can defend.

PG: LeBron/Dumars/Hinrich
SG: Dumars/Redd/A. Parker
SF: Durant/LeBron/AK47
PF: P. Gasol/AK47/Nance/Frye
CC: Mutombo/P. Gasol/Okur

[raid09]

Kidd (3) / Dumars (4) / House (8)
Dumars (4) / Ginobili (4) / Cooper (7)
Artest (5) / Stojakovic (5)
Barkley (2) / Grant (6) / Ibaka (7)
Thurmond (3) / Gasol (6)

Kidd - Pass first PG that can get everyone the ball where it needs to be. One of the best defensive PGs.
Dumars - Mostly for the 1st team defense vs. all the elite guards out there combined with good shooting. Can play PG as well.
Artest - Damn good defensively in his prime, and not too bad on offense
Barkley - Star of the team, commands the ball on offense and on the glass
Thurmond - Can guard all of the best centers and dominates in rebounding. One of the more underrated players

[Kblaze8855]

Isiah
Drexler
Worthy
Rodman
Moses

Manu
Deng
Bibby
Noah
Ho Grant
Michael Cooper
Diaw
Ehlo

-------------------------------

Isiah/Manu/Bibby
Drexler/Cooper/Ehlo
Worthy/Deng
Rodman/Ho Grant/Diaw
Moses/Noah

Playmaking, defense, athleticism, shooting, size, rebounding, slashing, post scoring its all there



Why wouldnt my team have chemistry kblaze? all team players

Indeed they are. And I have no doubt they would win an insane number of games....by large margins. Close games? Im not sure they agree on who the man is. Moses can score one on one...but hes not a give him the ball and get out of the way as he gets a great shot or finds a shooter hwen they collapse scorer. He was always more effort than refined around the basket post game. Worthy had the ability to be a go to scorer...but I dont see Isiah calling his number down the stretch. Drexler is a volume scorer off transition situations and quick mismatches. Manu can takeover...but would he with these teammates? I think the guy most likely to try to take over close games is Isiah. And vs these lineups? Hes gonna have prime MJ, Cooper, Payton or someone like that in his jersey. Someone bigger, stronger, and fast wit Mutombo/Kg/Ben Wallace/Hakeem/Zo behind them on most teams?

I dont know if any team would win in this kind of league with a pointguard closer.

[magnax1]

Exactly what are your thoughts on my team? I honestly think it is considerably better then one of the teams you chose, but then again I wouldn't have made it that way if I didn't think it was good, lol.




Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG

I actually didn't start off with KG. I saw Isiah and Barry, and thought they'd be interesting to build a team around, because they were as good as most guys in the second tier in terms of creating offense for their teams in the half court. So then, I looked for a guy who fit well with other ball dominant playesr in the second tier, and KG came to mind. Can stretch the floor, pass extremely well, versatile offensively, and DPOTY level on D. Reggie, and Barry are also great at spreading out an offense, so all in all, everyone has tons of room to work. Mutumbo, I obviously chose for his ability to block shots, but was also above average in the post. Iggy, is a good fit because he can run the offense for the bench, but also fits in with the insane athleticism (excluding Delonte) I built up for the bench. Also, the defense should be amazing. All the perimeter players are great at watching passing lanes, and they have Mumtumbo and KG to back them up since there are a couple gamblers. You could also throw in Iggy and Delonte in for longer periods to try and guard the best perimeter scorers if needed, and still always have a guy on the court that could create offense in KG Isiah or Barry.
Also it'd be awfully hard to guard a lineup of
Isiah
Reggie
Barry
Diaw
KG
In the clutch
For whatever reason, I ended up choosing mostly modern players lol.

[Kblaze8855]

I will comment on it in a moment...first id like to say...

Watching the Knicks/Pistons in 84 on espn classic makes me miss Bernard King. Selfish as he was he was just unstoppable his 2-3 spots. Think im gonna make a team featuring him.

[hayden695]

Bill Walton/Nene/Bol
McHale/Rodman
Kirilenko/Horry
Reggie Miller/Eddie Jones/Michael Cooper
CP3/Hinrich

Thoughts on this team KBlaze? I wasn't too sure about the Rodman/McHale, when I could have got a better sf or something. But I felt a prime ak47 was perfect for the rest of my starters.

[SunsCaptain]

Starters:

PG- Steve Nash
SG- Jason Richardson
PF- Dirk Nowitzki
SF- Grant Hill
C- Nene

Bench:

PG- Russell Westbrook
SG- Aaron Afflalo
PF- Zack Randolph
SF- Rudy Gay
C- Noah

[bigballer]

Hinrich/Payton/Parker
Jordan/Ehlo
Deng/Horry/Diaw
Ho Grant/K Clark
Mutombo/Bogut

Gritty team with either Payton or Jordan on the court at all times. I would start kirk over him for team chemistry and for the appeal of a secret weapon.
Solid, unselfish role players in there, clutchness as well.
Athletic overall, the big men not so much but they have nimble feet.

[Kblaze8855]

Bump to remind myself to rank these teams when I get home

[eliteballer]

You ever read the book of basketball kblaze? Might as well with the lockout.

[Kblaze8855]

Nah but im not opposed to it. Most of my basketball books are by players or people close to the game. Simmons seems like a fan who just got popular.

[chips93]

Nah but im not opposed to it. Most of my basketball books are by players or people close to the game. Simmons seems like a fan who just got popular.


true, if you dont find him funny, theres little reason to read it.

[eliteballer]

Here's some excerpts:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/book/091021

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/book/091027

The Isiah thing is the exception, most of it is basketball talk that doesnt include him ie the Ewing part.

[Rizko]

PG- Rondo/Bibby*/House
SG- Ray Allen/Cooper/House
SF- Peirce/Ak47*
PF- KG/Horry/Ibaka
C- Motumbo/Eaton/Ibaka

*6th men

[Boston C's]

I wanted to build a team featuring Ray Allen as the main scoring option... so here goes


PG Rondo
SG Ray Allen
SF Ron Artest
PF Bill Walton
C Zo

Sixth Man= Manu
Josh Smith
Jameer Nelson
Hedo
Chandler

Team is pretty stacked defensively... The offense would run through ray on the perimeter and walton in the post... great distributor in rondo with lock down defender in artest, Zo keeps everything out the paint while off the bench I have some scoring in manu and Hedo... chandler gives mourning a breather while jameer and smith doing so for artest and rondo... feel like this is a solid defensive team with two great scoring options in ray and walton in the starting lineup

[ThaRegul8r]

Considered moses as a 1 but...it would just make sure he doesnt get taken at all. Perhaps by you. But nobody else. I doubt Magic, Bird, or Duncan even get taken. Theonly level 1s I see getting picked are Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq.

Predictable is boring. Here's a change of pace from the same old same old.

1 from Level 1.
Russell

1 from level 3.
Nash(05-08)

1 from level 4.
Reggie Miller

2 from level 5
Larry Nance
Gerald wallace(Bobcats)

2 from level 6
Jason Terry(now)
Marc Gasol

2 from level 7
Michael cooper
Ibaka

3 from level 8.
Stromile swift
Robin Lopez
Anthony Parker

The team is built around the GOAT defender. Nash fills the role of Bob Cousy, only is a much better shooter. Nash leads efficient offenses (http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7225), Russell anchors elite defenses (http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7239). The two of them will have a symbiotic relationship. Russell is the defensive anchor Nash never had, and covers for his defensive weaknesses the same way he covered for Cousy's.

[quote=Bill Russell]Bob Cousy was a great teammate. But in our approaches to the game, he and I were complete opposites. I approached the game defense first, then offense. He approached the game offense first and then, maybe, some defense. I never had a negative thought about that

[KGMN]

C: Dikembe Mutombo | Emeka Okafor | Darko Milicic
PF: Kevin Love | Nene | Tyrus Thomas
SF: Peja Stojakovic | Tayshaun Prince
SG: Michael Jordan | Anthony Parker
PG: John Stockton | Jason Williams

Awesome defense at the center position, variety of players with different talents at PF, good shooting and defense at SF, Michael Jordan, and two of the best playmakers (possibly) in the history of the NBA.

[Toizumi]

Bump to remind myself to rank these teams when I get home

Bump

[RobertdeMeijer]

Predictable is boring. Here's a change of pace from the same old same old.

1 from Level 1.
Russell

1 from level 3.
Nash(05-08)
etc.

:rockon:

[ThaRegul8r]

Predictable is boring. Here's a change of pace from the same old same old.

1 from Level 1.
Russell

1 from level 3.
Nash(05-08)

etc.

:rockon:

Thank you. :D

When he said he only saw three level ones being taken

[Kblaze8855]

I need to pick the last two teams. One I considered was:


G: Mike Bibby (5)
G: Joe Johnson (4)
F: LeBron James (2)
F: Chris Webber (3)
C: Pau Gasol (3)
6: Joe Dumars (4)
7: Andrew Bogut (5)
8: Michael Cooper (7)
Bench: Anderson Varejao (7), OJ Mayo (6), Keith Van Horn (6), Keon Clark (8)


But I fee like they would need a year or two. When it clicked they would have a wicked halfcourt offense but I dont think it happens in year one.

I think the best teams in this type of thing would be the kinds of players who play well in virtually any setting, would play good defense, and have everyone know and accept their roles and who to defer to when the time comes. So im thinking....







Also...thought about:

C: Dikembe Mutombo | Emeka Okafor | Darko Milicic
PF: Kevin Love | Nene | Tyrus Thomas
SF: Peja Stojakovic | Tayshaun Prince
SG: Michael Jordan | Anthony Parker
PG: John Stockton | Jason Williams


But I hate that stockton wouldnt get all he could out his his ability with those finishers and MJ is gonna take the ball out of his hands a lot. He dribbled the air out of the ball at times but it was because he knew what he was doing and had total control of the offense. MJ isnt having that. Id want to pair Stockton with at least one elite finisher in the front court and a star who wont tell him it doesnt matter that hes doubled...give him the ball.

And:


C: Russell/Gasol/Lopez
PF: Nance/Ibaka/Swift
SF: Wallace/Cooper/Parker
SG: Miller/Terry/Cooper/Parker
PG: Nash/Terry/Cooper

I thinkthis team would have crazy chemistry. But looking at the other teams...there are at least 10 players on this team I dont see scoring on the defenses this league would be throwing out. You can never shut down a team like this...but I dont see them as a team likely to outperform some of these other teams when 3 of their starters arent gonna score in many non quick finishing situations and of the two others...one was taking 14 shots a game with scrubs(offensive) for teammates at times and the other has never shown he wants to score at the rate he might need on this team.

They would have one of the best mixes for chemistry but when the other team brings out one of those rosters you just have to drop 110 to beat...im not sure what they do.

Also considered this one:

Kidd (3) / Dumars (4) / House (8)
Dumars (4) / Ginobili (4) / Cooper (7)
Artest (5) / Stojakovic (5)
Barkley (2) / Grant (6) / Ibaka (7)
Thurmond (3) / Gasol (6)

But Kidd in his prime was not the shooter he is now...nice on the run but he wasnt scoring in the halfcourt much vs these defenses. Same for Dumars. Underrated scorer...but he wasnt gonna carry you. Artest played offense like a fat kid who lost weight and had little confidence in his movements...I like him on D of course but...Kidd isnt getting much out of him, hes in Barkleys way...or hes spotting up...neither of which I want. Barkley a beast of course...and his defense wouldnt be much of an issue with Nate next t ohim. Nate was able to shoot a bit too so I think they could take advantage a little to open it up for Barkley. And they know who runs things down the stretch.

But..last 2 minutes? you have a Payton, Jordan, or Michael Cooper type on Kidd. you have a similar guy on Dumars on most teams. Nate wasnt a high powered scorer. He could score. But he wasnt gonna just carry a team with Barkley. It comes down to Barkley with a likely great defender on him with Nate trying to keep his man(in almost every case a dominant defender) out of the way. Artest is just standing around. It could work...win a lot of games. I dont know if it wins playoff games vs these lineups. I like the attempt though.


I'll post the last 2 I did actually pick in a moment.

[Kblaze8855]

Actually looking at the first teams I picked I see a lot of issues I raised for those I didnt....hmmm

Rethinking.

[Kblaze8855]

Forgetting the picks I had earlier...just looked over every team. Right now my 4 playoffs teams id have to say...


Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG

Good number of winning obsessed hard working assholes who dont care if you hate them so long as they win. I like that. I did have a problem with guys like Isiah having to carry an offense dow the stretch but....im thinking in a big shot situation nobody would a brain is leaving Reggie. And hes taking his man anywhere on the floor you want. Rick Barry cant be taken lightly either. Mutombo hurts them down the stretch because he cant score on these teams and hes not great hands wise to even be a smart "Out of nowhere" dumpoff pass. You probably have to put KG at the 5 at the big moments just to prevent anyone being able to disregard their man and make like harder on our lead guard. so then you put...Wallace or Iggy out there I guess at the 4? eh...I dont know.

Its not without flaws to me but none of the teams are. I kinda feel like im being picky but these teams have to play other...crazy talented teams. Not normal teams.

I think they would have enough will to win and chemistry to not go down without a fight. They would be the most hated team in the league though.






next one....


C: Yao Ming/ Marcin Gortat
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Rasheed Wallace
SF: Lamar Odom/ Detlef Schrempf/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/ Michael Redd/ Kirk Hinrich
PG: Chris Paul/ Jameer Nelson/

nothing that team cant do. It has a lineup for every situation. Prime healthy Yao can score anywhere inside 18 feet and has always been on good defense if only for size and being willing to get in peoples way. Then KG and sheed at the top of their game? I can put either one anywhere from 3-5. Sheed can space the floor or score on anyone in the post. Odom plays 4 or 5 positions depending on what I need. Detlef is a lot better than people give him credit for. He wasnt tooooooooooo far from Odom as a do everything type. Rock is playing d, posting up, and shooting outside. No real weakness to expose in him. And hes unselfish and wouldnt complain about any role. Pauls skills arent wasted because nobody else just...needs the ball. At least 8 people would benefit from him being there. Hes got 6 people he can play 2 man games with 5 of them trouble in a pick and roll type offense. They have shooters, passable defense, and perhaps the best offense ive seen among the teams that didnt set out just to create a great offense. couple issues down the stretch but....

They have guys known to just go out and score when asked to do so. Last shot situation...not sure what they do. But last 2 minutes? Yao, Sheed, KG, and Mitch all have my confidence even if Paul has a guy like Payton in his jersey.



Gonna stop here and think a little on the last two. But ill say this...


A couple teams with Hakeem on them caught my eye

C: Hakeem Olajuwon/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Robert Horry/Serge Ibaka
SF: Kevin Durant/Craig Ehlo/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/Allan Houston
PG: Kenny Anderson/Kirk Hinrich/Charlie Ward

and:

Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich

Not being sure about Kenny Anderson is the only reason that teams isnt in for sure. Leaning towards the second one.


Oh and I thought long and hard about this one:


Dikembe Mutombo/Tyson Chandler
Blake Griffin/Kevin Love
LeBron James/Shane Battier
Kevin Durant/Michael Redd/Michael Cooper
Isiah Thomas/Michael Adams/Derek Fisher

Worse defense than most of these teams but that offense would be wicked. Black, Lebron, and Durant are all good to outstanding finishers....but Lebron needs the ball just enough that I think hes best used wth a point who doesnt. Durant doesnt need it much at all and would help hold the team together. And I think a last play lineup of:

Blake
Love
Lebron
Durant
Isiah

Would be hell to defend. But I cant get past they fact they might give up 120 points a game vs these other teams.too many gamblers and players who cant defend certian kinds of players.






This is harder than I expected.

I really looked hard at the teams with Jordan. Especially the one with Jordan and Webber since I think Jordan might make Webber man up a lot. But most of the teams with him I dont **** with the supporting cast at all.

[NugzHeat3]

Forgetting the picks I had earlier...just looked over every team. Right now my 4 playoffs teams id have to say...


Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG

Good number of winning obsessed hard working assholes who dont care if you hate them so long as they win. I like that. I did have a problem with guys like Isiah having to carry an offense dow the stretch but....im thinking in a big shot situation nobody would a brain is leaving Reggie. And hes taking his man anywhere on the floor you want. Rick Barry cant be taken lightly either. Mutombo hurts them down the stretch because he cant score on these teams and hes not great hands wise to even be a smart "Out of nowhere" dumpoff pass. You probably have to put KG at the 5 at the big moments just to prevent anyone being able to disregard their man and make like harder on our lead guard. so then you put...Wallace or Iggy out there I guess at the 4? eh...I dont know.

Its not without flaws to me but none of the teams are. I kinda feel like im being picky but these teams have to play other...crazy talented teams. Not normal teams.

I think they would have enough will to win and chemistry to not go down without a fight. They would be the most hated team in the league though.






next one....


C: Yao Ming/ Marcin Gortat
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Rasheed Wallace
SF: Lamar Odom/ Detlef Schrempf/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/ Michael Redd/ Kirk Hinrich
PG: Chris Paul/ Jameer Nelson/

nothing that team cant do. It has a lineup for every situation. Prime healthy Yao can score anywhere inside 18 feet and has always been on good defense if only for size and being willing to get in peoples way. Then KG and sheed at the top of their game? I can put either one anywhere from 3-5. Sheed can space the floor or score on anyone in the post. Odom plays 4 or 5 positions depending on what I need. Detlef is a lot better than people give him credit for. He wasnt tooooooooooo far from Odom as a do everything type. Rock is playing d, posting up, and shooting outside. No real weakness to expose in him. And hes unselfish and wouldnt complain about any role. Pauls skills arent wasted because nobody else just...needs the ball. At least 8 people would benefit from him being there. Hes got 6 people he can play 2 man games with 5 of them trouble in a pick and roll type offense. They have shooters, passable defense, and perhaps the best offense ive seen among the teams that didnt set out just to create a great offense. couple issues down the stretch but....

They have guys known to just go out and score when asked to do so. Last shot situation...not sure what they do. But last 2 minutes? Yao, Sheed, KG, and Mitch all have my confidence even if Paul has a guy like Payton in his jersey.



Gonna stop here and think a little on the last two. But ill say this...


A couple teams with Hakeem on them caught my eye

C: Hakeem Olajuwon/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Robert Horry/Serge Ibaka
SF: Kevin Durant/Craig Ehlo/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/Allan Houston
PG: Kenny Anderson/Kirk Hinrich/Charlie Ward

and:

Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich

Not being sure about Kenny Anderson is the only reason that teams isnt in for sure. Leaning towards the second one.


Oh and I thought long and hard about this one:


Dikembe Mutombo/Tyson Chandler
Blake Griffin/Kevin Love
LeBron James/Shane Battier
Kevin Durant/Michael Redd/Michael Cooper
Isiah Thomas/Michael Adams/Derek Fisher

Worse defense than most of these teams but that offense would be wicked. Black, Lebron, and Durant are all good to outstanding finishers....but Lebron needs the ball just enough that I think hes best used wth a point who doesnt. Durant doesnt need it much at all and would help hold the team together. And I think a last play lineup of:

Blake
Love
Lebron
Durant
Isiah

Would be hell to defend. But I cant get past they fact they might give up 120 points a game vs these other teams.too many gamblers and players who cant defend certian kinds of players.






This is harder than I expected.

I really looked hard at the teams with Jordan. Especially the one with Jordan and Webber since I think Jordan might make Webber man up a lot. But most of the teams with him I dont **** with the supporting cast at all.
I think that team is probably the best on here. The defense is insane because Yao has always been a great defender in the paint. Where he lacks is pick and roll defense and mobility on the perimeter which KG takes care of.

Perimeter defense is good too. Richmond was voted the most underrated defender in the league in 1996 (Barkley the worst, Gervin the worst all-time if anyone cares). Paul is a great defender too although his arms are a bit short to effectively contest jumpers and he has some trouble fighting through screens. I can see Odom having some trouble guarding the quicker 3s but he's not a weak link.

The only other I thought about was the one with Hakeem and Chris Paul but they have a major weakness on the glass. That's the only flaw but it's kind of hard to overlook.

Offensively, they are damn near perfect. Floor spacing is great with shooters just about everywhere, Lamar is a mismatch at the three, Paul/KG pick and roll/pop would be unguardable and Yao can't be guarded in single coverage, either especially if he's assertive enough.

Yao's minutes can be a issue but Sheed could back him up at center spreading the floor and taking away any defensive center's shot blocking ability or forcing a switch.

The only other team I can see giving them trouble would be this.

Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich

But rebounding is a huge issue with this team since Horry was sort of a weak rebounder and could get overpowered by certain PFs. It's like an upgraded version of the 1995 Rockets. Even better offense and better defense but rebounding is still a major flaw.

[Aussie Outcast]

Still kinda want to know why my original team wasnt picked as I feel its better than some others that were, I changed it a little bit to see if this team would get better results in other peoples eyes.

D Rob / Noah / Rambis
Rasheed / Nance
Durant / Iggy
Manu / Afflalo / Jet
Payton / Kirk

you can swap Rasheed with Jermaine O'neal if you feel thats going to make a better team.

Great defence and length everywhere, players fit into eachothers play style (D Rob and Rasheed can both hit a mid range jumper if GP wants to post, Durant doesnt need the ball much to be effective, manu has great oppurtunities to slash and pass and payton just does his thing)

Some good pieces off the bench with no compromise in defence.

Biggest knocks on D rob and Sheed were that they shied away at end of games or they just werent that leader type. Well you got payton who's a great floor leader and two guys in Durant and / or Manu who are more than capable of hitting the big shot at the end. Both these guys are great team guys as well.

[eliteballer]

Indeed they are. And I have no doubt they would win an insane number of games....by large margins. Close games? Im not sure they agree on who the man is. Moses can score one on one...but hes not a give him the ball and get out of the way as he gets a great shot or finds a shooter hwen they collapse scorer. He was always more effort than refined around the basket post game. Worthy had the ability to be a go to scorer...but I dont see Isiah calling his number down the stretch. Drexler is a volume scorer off transition situations and quick mismatches. Manu can takeover...but would he with these teammates? I think the guy most likely to try to take over close games is Isiah. And vs these lineups? Hes gonna have prime MJ, Cooper, Payton or someone like that in his jersey. Someone bigger, stronger, and fast wit Mutombo/Kg/Ben Wallace/Hakeem/Zo behind them on most teams?

I dont know if any team would win in this kind of league with a pointguard closer.

If Isiah can coexist with Dantley and Auguire in crunch situations enough to win two titles he can sure do it with Worthy and Drexler...and you're picking a team where he has to share with Reggie and Rick mo-fing Barry?

[ThaRegul8r]

Unlike some wondering why their team wasn't picked, I feel good about earning an Honorable Mention, considering I already knew that enough scoring would probably be perceived as a weakness since I didn't have any big volume scorers. I was trying to go with fit for the style I wanted to play, so I'm glad that was accomplished since chemistry was mentioned as a strength of the team. But the fact that Russell would not be a popular pick in a game like this, provided a challenge to build a team around the guy least likely to be picked. I like how it turned out, and for the team to be one of those considered for a playoff spot is a win as far as I'm concerned, considering I was going down the road less traveled rather than a boring predictable pick.

I might go back to the lab and change it up a bit to give him some more O and see how it turns out.

[Kblaze8855]

Guy who asked about:

D Rob / Noah / Rambis
Rasheed / Nance
Durant / Iggy
Manu / Afflalo / Jet
Payton / Kirk


I looked at it. Hard. Almost made my first group but im not 100%. I didnt look closely at al lthe teams put up recently and wanted to do that before deciding on the last 2.



If Isiah can coexist with Dantley and Auguire in crunch situations enough to win two titles he can sure do it with Worthy and Drexler...and you're picking a team where he has to share with Reggie and Rick mo-fing Barry?

Its not so much coexisting...I think he could deal with anyone. Its that I think he would have too much on his plate scoring wise down the stretch to win...when he has to go at the kinds of teams he has to attack.

[lakers87]

1 from level 2.
KG
2 from level 3
Zo
Durant
2 from level 4
Brandon Roy
Manu
2 from level 5
Artest
Odom
2 from level 6
Marc Gasol
OJ Mayo
2 from level 7
Hinrich
Ibaka
1 from level 8
Anthony Parker

Lineup

Brandon Roy/Hinrich
Manu/Mayo
Kevin Durant/Artest/Anthony Parker
Kevin Garnett/Odom/Ibaka
Alonzo Mourning/Marc Gasol/Ibaka

[qrich]

What y'all think about my first team? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6252188&postcount=38)

My second attempt:

PG: Sam Cassell (Level 4) | Bobby Jackson (Level 7)
SG: Ray Allen (Level 3) | Doug Christie (Level 6) | Cuttino Mobley (Level 7)
SF: Grant Hill (Level 3) | Andre Iguodala (Level 5)
PF: Elton Brand (Level 4) | Larry Nance (Level 5)
CE: Tim Duncan (Level 2) | Theo Ratliff (Level 6) | Kwame Brown (Level 8)

Wow, that team sucks :oldlol:

[bigballer]

Camby/Tree Rollins
La Aldridge/Jerry Lucas
Pippen/Jamison/Rambis
Ginobil!/Michael Cooper/Raja Bell
Deron Williams/A Miller

Thoughts?

[Hondo]

A
1-1 Shaquille O'Neal
1-3 Chris Paul
1-4 Rasheed Wallace
2-5 Ron Artest, Eddie Jones
2-6 Michael Redd, Tyson Chandler
2-7 Kirk Hinrich, Brent Barry
3-8 Shawn Bradley, Tyrus Thomas, Anthony Parker

PG: Paul/ Hinrich
SG: Jones/ Redd/ Barry
SF: Artest/ Parker
PF: Wallace/ Thomas
CT: O'Neal/ Chandler/ Bradley

B
1-2 David Robinson
2-3 Paul Pierce, Isiah Thomas
2-4 LaMarcus Aldridge, Mitch Richmond
2-5 Steve Francis, Larry Nance
2-6 Mark Eaton, Nene
2-7 Shane Battier, Cuttino Mobley
1-8 Charlie Ward

PG: Thomas/ Francis/ Ward
SG: Richmond/ Mobley
SF: Pierce/ Battier
PF: Aldridge/ Nance
CT: Robinson/ Eaton/ Nene
^This team is unbeatable.

[Hondo]

PG: Thomas/ Francis/ Ward
SG: Richmond/ Mobley
SF: Pierce/ Battier
PF: Aldridge/ Nance
CT: Robinson/ Eaton/ Nene
^This team is unbeatable.

I seriously don't see how these guys can be beaten. All 5 of the starting line-up are two way players at all-star or superstar level. First five of the bench are all excellent defenders (bar Francis, who was no slouch, and a very good offensive player).

[iamgine]

1 from level 2 Scottie Pippen
2 from level 3 Yao Ming, Kevin Durant
2 from level 4 Dennis Rodman, Rasheed Wallace
2 from level 5 Lamar Odom, Ron Artest
2 from level 6 Mark Eaton, Jason Terry
2 from level 7 Kirk Hinrich, Boris Diaw
1 from level 8 Shawn Bradley

Final roster:

PG Scottie Pippen/Kirk Hinrich
SG Dennis Rodman/Jason Terry
SF Kevin Durant/Ron Artest
PF Lamar Odom/Rasheed Wallace/Boris Diaw
C Yao Ming/Mark Eaton/Shawn Bradley

[Brunch@Five]

I went from being a top 2 pick on page 1 to not being a honorable mention at least? Disappointing

[KissMySwag]

Pg:Kidd/Jason Williams
Sg:Wade/ Oj Mayo/Ben Gordon
Sf:Melo/Josh Smith
Pf:Jemaine O'neal/Paul Millsap
C:Ben Wallace/Marcus Camby/Darko

Started level 2 errrrrbody just got stomped

[ljsbb27]

Not sure how the first two teams I created didn't get any love:

1st
PG: Jason Kidd - Kirk Hinrich - Daniel Gibson
SG: Michael Jordan - Jason Terry
SF: Ron Artest - Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West - Tyrus Thomas - Keon Clark
C: Dikembe Mutombo - Marc Gasol

2nd
PG: Chris Paul -Jameer Nelson
SG: Joe Johnson - Jason Richardson - Tony Allen
SF: Kevin Durant - Gerald Wallace
PF: Kevin Garnett - Taj Gibson
C: Dikembe Mutombo - Marc Gasol - Brook Lopez

I decided to give it a 3rd try:
PG: Chris Paul

[Toizumi]

PG: Andre Miller/Eddie Jones
SG:Clyde Drexler/Brent Barry/Anthony Parker
SF:Peja Stojakovic/Michael Cooper
PF:Ben Wallace/Horace Grant/Hakim Warrick
C: Shaquille O

[Kblaze8855]

Watching some Bird games yesterday inspired me to make a team with him. Im not sure ive seen him on more than one in here so far.

Bird
Zo
Mcdyess
Ak47
Eddie Jones
Jason Terry
Noah
Kirk
Prince
Ward
Warrick
Darko

Kirk/Terry/Ward
Eddie Jones/terry
Bird/Ak47/Prince
Mcdyess/Ak47/Warrick
Zo/Noah/Darko

If I ranked my own teams...id put this one in the "playoffs".

[sipitri]

C - Hakeem
PF - Mchale
SF - AK47
SG - Hamilton
PG - Billups

PG/SG - Terry
SF - Hedo
C/PF - Gortat
SF/SG - Bowen
C - Robin Lopez
PG - Gibson
C - Darko

Hakeem and Mchale would be unstoppable on offense and they'll guarantee good defense.
AK47 is the do-everything guy and an awesome defender.
Billups will run the show and his chemistry with hamilton is proven.
On the bench you have Terry who can score and handle some PG duties in case neither Billups nor Hedo are on the floor.
Gortat and Robin Lopez are the backup bigs.
Brucen Bowen may be used as a perimeter players stopper (He can be in the starting lineup in the place of AK or Hamilton if needed)
Gibson and Darko will play in garbage time but they're able to contribute if needed.

[Chalkmaze]

2 - Malone
3 - Stockton
3 - KJ
4 - Chambers
4 - Mutumbo
5 - Hornacek
5 - Peja
6 - Eaton
6 - Okur
7 - T.Prince
7 - Hinrich
8 - Shawn Bradley

[Kblaze8855]

I forgot about this till now. But im working overnight tonight so ill take another look. I'll have hours to burn.

[CAstill]

I picked option 2

2. Kobe
3. Kemp Yao
4. Baron Davis/Worthy
5. Vlade/Rod Strickland
6. Redd/Chandler
7. Bowen/ Harrington
8. Kapono

Starting 5
Davis
Kobe
Worthy
Kemp
Yao

Bench
Strickland
Redd/Kapono
Bowen/
Harrington
Vlade/Chandler

What Do you think? I think Kobe and Kemp would be unstoppable together especially with Baron setting them up. Yao Holds down the paint. Worthy cleans up boards, scores and plays D.

[NugzHeat3]

2 - Malone
3 - Stockton
3 - KJ
4 - Chambers
4 - Mutumbo
5 - Hornacek
5 - Peja
6 - Eaton
6 - Okur
7 - T.Prince
7 - Hinrich
8 - Shawn Bradley
Why on earth would you have Stockton and KJ on the same team? Two guys who dominated the shit out of the ball. If you play them together in the back court, you're reducing either's impact and they'd get killed defensively (undersized).

If you had picked Pierce over KJ, your team improves ...... by a lot. I'm not sure who is going to be your starting SF. Chambers will get smoked defensively. Peja is much better as a back up.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

2 -Kevin Garnett
3 -Gary Payton
3 -Grant Hill
4 -Ben Wallace
4 -Reggie Miller
5 -Andre Iguodala
5 -Lamar Odom
6 -Joakim Noah
6 -Michael Redd
7- Kirk Hinrich
7-Michael Cooper
8-Tyrus Thomas


PG - Gary Payton/ Kirk Hinrich
SG - Reggie Miller/Michael Redd/Michael Cooper
SF - Grant Hill/Andre Iguodala
PF - Kevin Garnett/Lamar Odom/Tyrus Thomas
C - Ben Wallace/Joakim Noah

[SleepyCorpse]

2-Charles Barkely
3-Thurmond
3-Isiah Thomas
4-Manu
4-James Worthy
5-Eddie Jones
5-Kirilenko
6-Eaton
6-Blaylock
7-Cooper
7-Ben Gordon
8-Shawn Bradley

C-Thurmond/Eaton/Bradley
PF-Barkley/Kirilenko
SF-Worthy/E Jones/Cooper
SG- Manu/Cooper/Gordon
PG-Isiah/Blaylock

[Dbrog]

So I decided what I could do picking from tier 1 as well. It definitely made me think about every pick and how they could fit into the system that I was trying to build.

List 1
Brandon Roy/Kirk Hinrich
Eddie Jones/Craig Ehlo/Eddie House
Danny Granger/Hedo
Thurmond/Okur
Wilt/Robin Lopez

My goal here was basically to create a cohesive team that passes the ball around and can play multiple positions on defense. Clearly, Wilt and Thurmond have the paint on lockdown. IMO it's the best interior D combo that could exist in NBA history. I've got Roy here because he can basically play point for this team as well as takeover the game in the clutch. Also, he's a better version of Hal Greer (who we know Wilt can play well with). Kinda the same role for Hedo who would come on when Roy was resting.

Granger is obviously a great shooter and is also an underrated defender (usually a steal and a block a game). Eddie Jones is gonna be my guy who can guard my SG or PG spot while also being able to score in bunches along with Kirk Hinrich off the bench. Okur is there in case I need to stretch the defense. Ehlo's gonna be that solid guy off the bench at the SG spot or if we need some offense, House is there. What I love about this team is none of these guys really have to have the ball to have an impact on the game (except maybe Roy?).

List 2 -
Vanexel/Nate robinson
Rick Barry/Michael Redd/Craig Ehlo
AK47/Bruce Bowen/Jason Kapono
Rasheed/Noah
Russell/Manute Bol

Focus = Play at a blistering pace. Russell would play almost the entire game and would have the offense run through him if there is no shot within 1st 5 seconds. His outlet passes will be key. Vanexel and Nate are there to keep the pace going as well as their nice handles and 3 pt shooting. Rick Barry will clearly be the leading scorer on this team and will be the guy with the ball in his hands most...other than Russell.

Sheed provides great versatility next to Bill as well as AK(while providing elite defense). Noah can pass and run the floor well off the bench while maintaining the idea of interior defense and rebounding. Redd would be a monster spark plug off the bench as well as potentially Kapono (if we needed to score 3s quickly). Bruce and Ehlo combo could spell the end for a team based around perimeter play. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, you could easily put out a lineup on this team where each person can create their own shot and hit it in close game situations. Definitely a fun team to make and would be an absolute nightmare to face.

If I had to go with one of these teams, I think I would go with list 2 with Russell and the gang. While I think the first team would create more matchup problems, and I think this team has great balance and can change up the pace much easier. The first team definitely can score like crazy though. I probably had way too much fun with this and it took a while but I definitely would call it time well spent.

Edit: on second thought I think I would take team 1. Just so dominant inside + perimeter guys are all ridiculously skilled.

[Chalkmaze]

Why on earth would you have Stockton and KJ on the same team? Two guys who dominated the shit out of the ball. If you play them together in the back court, you're reducing either's impact and they'd get killed defensively (undersized).

If you had picked Pierce over KJ, your team improves ...... by a lot. I'm not sure who is going to be your starting SF. Chambers will get smoked defensively. Peja is much better as a back up.t

I have two of some of the most amazing duo's in history, on top of thtat, they held their own on D. You never saw Mark Eaton play defense I guess, because he allowed everyone to take more chances on D, and he had their back. When you have Mark on D, you play your guy so as to funnel him towards Mark should he get by you. Also, Stockton was more of a passing PG, while KJ could play SG.

It would all work out amazingly, your just not seeing it right. My keyboard is jacked up or I'd elaborate futher.

[NugzHeat3]

t

I have two of some of the most amazing duo's in history, on top of thtat, they held their own on D. You never saw Mark Eaton play defense I guess, because he allowed everyone to take more chances on D, and he had their back. When you have Mark on D, you play your guy so as to funnel him towards Mark should he get by you. Also, Stockton was more of a passing PG, while KJ could play SG.

It would all work out amazingly, your just not seeing it right. My keyboard is jacked up or I'd elaborate futher.
OK.

I don't know if you're starting KJ/Stockton or having KJ as a back up which I get the feeling you do because you're a Jazz fan. If KJ is a back up, your chemistry takes an automatic hit because he's not going to like coming off the bench. The guy threw a massive hissy fit and purposely prolonged his injury when Westphal limited his minutes in 1996 and made that long socks dude Elliott Perry the starter. Westphal was fired a few weeks later.

If you start KJ/Stockton, either of them get burned by guys like Jordan/Kobe/Drexler in the post (and jumpers since they can't contest effectively) and a stiff like Mark Eaton who had terrible mobility isn't going to change that. Hell, all teams have to do is play a running game and Eaton's impact is limited right away, that's how the Warriors swept Utah in 1989. Eaton's impact comes from shot blocking and camping in the paint. He's not mobile at all so he's not going to be coming out and double teaming hard.

KJ could play some 2 guard I guess since he did it next to Kidd but his impact is limited since he isn't great off ball (no range). But the main problem is defensively and Kidd could at least guard 2s, something Stockton can't.

[whatever666]

Group 1.

Jordan
Shaq
Wilt
Russell
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan


Really? Those are your tier 1? That looks more like a career achievements list, rather than rating the individual player himself.

This are the real tier 1 players assuming all players are in their prime and peak:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Kobe Bryant

[chazzy]

Really? Those are your tier 1? That looks more like a career achievements list, rather than rating the individual player himself.

This are the real tier 1 players assuming all players are in their prime and peak:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Kobe Bryant
Lebron and Kobe are a tier above Hakeem?

[Jacks3]

Really? Those are your tier 1? That looks more like a career achievements list, rather than rating the individual player himself.

This are the real tier 1 players assuming all players are in their prime and peak:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Kobe Bryant
This.

[Dbrog]

Payton/Kirk Hinrich/Damon Jones
Jordan/Larry Hughes/Eddie House
Caron Butler/Tayshaun Prince
Worthy/Horace Grant
Vlade/George Muresan

Just did a Jordan team. So much offense but so much defense. Probably 8 of these guys could score 20 (or at least come close) on any given night and would do it with superb defense. Not to mention this team is full of passers. Idk...I had originally just wanted to do a quick Jordan list for fun but it turned into a bit of a longer endeavor. Lots of post players too btw. The only weak spot is center and would struggle against very large teams. Then again, you have disputably the 2 best perimeter defenders in history in the backcourt together.

[Kblaze8855]

Really? Those are your tier 1? That looks more like a career achievements list, rather than rating the individual player himself.

This are the real tier 1 players assuming all players are in their prime and peak:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Kobe Bryant

Naaaah. If i were gonna modify the tier one I would be removing players and then adjusting the second tier and those below. Not adding to it. I dont see any reason to add anyone I didnt. And if I did it probably wouldnt be who you would want. Moses for example was arguably the best player in a league with 3 of the people in my first tier playing at or near an MVP level. But...nah.

[Carbine]

Cool thread. I think this is the most complimentary team you can put together.

Garnett
Payton
Durant
Mutombo
Rasheed Wallace
Eddie Jones
Deng
Noah
Raja Bell
Kirk Hinrich
Bruce Bowen
Eddie House

Just a mean defense. Defenders out the ass that can play pick and rolls, defend the hoop, play post defense, rotations, defend the perimeter.

Guys who can post up from different positions with shooters around them no matter who it is. Payton could post up his point guard and have Garnett/Rasheed/Durant/Eddie Jones around him.... Rasheed could post up, Garnett could post up....the beauty of it is the floor would be spaced no matter who was coming at you from the post.

Got shooters at every position. Guys who can penetrate and kick. Leadership. Unselfish attitude. Guys who don't need to pound the rock in the floor for 17 seconds to have an impact on the game.

What do I win?

[Cali Syndicate]

Group 2

Wade

Kidd and C Webb

Sheed and G. Rice

Allan Houston and Camby

Hedo and Nene

B Jackson and Bowen

Charllie Ward (in case Kobe gets hostile)


Starting 5 w/ 8 man rotation
Kidd
Wade
Rice
Sheed
Camby

C Webb - 6th man
Houston
Hedo

:banana:

[Dbrog]

Omg ok this is my last one...I'm obsessed. However, this is the only team I've made using option 2:

CP3/JET/Jeff McInnis
Wade/Rip Hamilton
Durant/Gerald wallace
Rasheed/Okur/Ibaka
Al Jefferson/K. Perkins

All of the players here are good % guys who are also threats on the offensive end. CP and Wade are clearly the heart of this team with their defense and on/offball play. All these guys play well off ball which plays into wade and CPs hands. Crash provides much needed defense and rebounding off the bench if Durant is getting Toasted. Al Jeff will get larger bigs in foul trouble with his large arsenal of moves and bully smaller players. Ibaka can replace Okur off the bench if defense will be a problem. He would get a bunch of oops from CP3 too :D . As for the final moments of the game...good luck defending the 3 against a JET/Wade/Durant/Sheed/Okur lineup. :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

Thinking these are my final 8.....

Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG



C: Yao Ming/ Marcin Gortat
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Rasheed Wallace
SF: Lamar Odom/ Detlef Schrempf/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/ Michael Redd/ Kirk Hinrich
PG: Chris Paul/ Jameer Nelson/


C: Hakeem Olajuwon/Marc Gasol
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Robert Horry/Serge Ibaka
SF: Kevin Durant/Craig Ehlo/Anthony Parker
SG: Mitch Richmond/Allan Houston
PG: Kenny Anderson/Kirk Hinrich/Charlie Ward





Hakeem / Bogut
Horry / Rambis / Clark
AK47 / Brent Barry
Manu / Raja Bell / Parker
Chris Paul / Hinrich





Baron Davis
Kobe
Worthy
Kemp
Yao
Strickland
Redd/Kapono
Bowen/
Harrington
Vlade/Chandler





Dikembe Mutombo/Tyson Chandler
Blake Griffin/Kevin Love
LeBron James/Shane Battier
Kevin Durant/Michael Redd/Michael Cooper
Isiah Thomas/Michael Adams/Derek Fisher



Shaq/ Marc Gasol/ Manute
Horry/ Hakeem Warrick/ Tyrus Thomas
Hill/ Artest
Manu/ Cooper
Hinrich/ Hornacek




G: Mike Bibby (5)
G: Joe Johnson (4)
F: LeBron James (2)
F: Chris Webber (3)
C: Pau Gasol (3)
6: Joe Dumars (4)
7: Andrew Bogut (5)
8: Michael Cooper (7)
Bench: Anderson Varejao (7), OJ Mayo (6), Keith Van Horn (6), Keon Clark (8)





Not sure who would win that playoff but...im sure it wouldnt be the last one. awfully ******l for this kinda thing.

[chips93]

Isiah/delonte/mayo
Reggie/Iggy/Mayo/ehlo
Barry/G. Wallace/Iggy
KG/G. Wallace/Diaw
Mutumbo/Chandler/KG



i like this team the best

[Fuhrer Hubbs]

C- Shaq
F- Kevin Love
F- Paul Pierce
G- Manu Ginobili
G- Jason Terry
6-Eddie Jones
7-Marc Gasol
8-Anderson Varejao
9-Bruce Bowen
10- Damon Jones
11- Kwame Brown
12- Tyrone Lue

come at me bros