NBA 2k12 Legends Mode Fully Revealed

[MeLO MvP 15]

http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/id/6874034/the-15-legends-nba-2k12?readmore=fullstory

I love it I just wish we saw Shaq (well ORL Shaq will be in against Ewing) and Iverson get their own games to play. But it was probably too soon for that anyways.

Also it's good to see the Kings from 01-02 make it in, it won't be long until we see some SAC-LA game in this mode.

[ProfessorMurder]

Ooh that's cool. Bulls/Hornets will be sick, MJ/Pip/Ho Grant vs. Muggsy/LJ/Zo :pimp:

Ewing vs. Shaq would be my 2nd favorite.

[28renyoy]

If Iverson got a "legend" mode I wouldn't even buy the game due to him not deserving one. If he gets on then 100 other players should too.

[LBJ 4 MVP]

01-02 Kings. Melikes.

[ace23]

Already posted

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230575&page=8

[Rake2204]

The awesome thing about this mode is that it goes at least twice as deep as you'd think, as each legend team's opponent is also often legendary. For instance, that '72 Knicks squad is insanely stacked (Frazier, Monroe, Reed, Lucas, DeBusschere, Bradley, Phil Jackson). Not to mention, Shaquille O'Neal will see two appearances (in '95 with Orlando and '98 with Los Angeles, alongside a young Kobe).

There's almost too much to say about this mode. There's also this:

"Last year, we were only about five deep on some of our classic teams, so it was important for us to go back and add as many of the rotation and bench players that we could," adds Boenisch. "So this year we got guys like Kevin Duckworth and Ed Nealy to help fill out your teams and you're going to have way more of the real players than what you played with last year."

There's almost going to be too many legendary and memorable players to count. Whichever featured legend you pick, he's going to be associated with 3-10 other legendary performers for that one contest alone.


One other small note, from Da_Czar, regarding Kobe Bryant and the '98 Lakers, just in case you guys care about this sort of thing:

He is Frobe' in game. It's not a HUGE fro but it is a fro.

[Rowe]

Absolutely amazed that they glossed over the 1977 Blazers.

[guy]

The awesome thing about this mode is that it goes at least twice as deep as you'd think, as each legend team's opponent is also often legendary. For instance, that '72 Knicks squad is insanely stacked (Frazier, Monroe, Reed, Lucas, DeBusschere, Bradley, Phil Jackson). Not to mention, Shaquille O'Neal will see two appearances (in '95 with Orlando and '98 with Los Angeles, alongside a young Kobe).

There's almost too much to say about this mode. There's also this:


There's almost going to be too many legendary and memorable players to count. Whichever featured legend you pick, he's going to be associated with 3-10 other legendary performers for that one contest alone.


One other small note, from Da_Czar, regarding Kobe Bryant and the '98 Lakers, just in case you guys care about this sort of thing:

From the sounds of it, this is who should be in it:

Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kareem (old and prime)
Magic
Worthy
Wilt
West
Baylor
Russell
Havlicek
Jones
Bird
McHale
Parish
DJ
Isiah
Dumars
Drexler
Nique
Dr. J
Barkley (rookie)
Moses
Oscar
Shaq
Penny
Kobe (young and raw)
Malone
Stockton
Duncan (rookie)
Robinson
Hakeem
Dikembe
LJ
Zo
Frazier
Reed
Ewing
Kemp
Payton

[Droid101]

If Iverson got a "legend" mode I wouldn't even buy the game due to him not deserving one. If he gets on then 100 other players should too.
It wouldn't be outrageous to include all former MVP's.

[oolalaa]

:applause: 2k sports ftmfw :bowdown:

It's gunna be sweeeeeeet :rockon:

[SuperPippen]

This looks terrific!

I've always been a sucker for these types of modes in sports games, as I'm a big fan of the history of the sport as well as the sport itself. 2K's attention to detail has me as giddy as a schoolgirl in anticipation for the game's release.



From the sounds of it, this is who should be in it:

Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kareem (old and prime)
Magic
Worthy
Wilt
West
Baylor
Russell
Havlicek
Jones
Bird
McHale
Parish
DJ
Isiah
Dumars
Drexler
Nique
Dr. J
Barkley (rookie)
Moses
Oscar
Shaq
Penny
Kobe (young and raw)
Malone
Stockton
Duncan (rookie)
Robinson
Hakeem
Dikembe
LJ
Zo
Frazier
Reed
Ewing
Kemp
Payton

This looks like a nice selection of all time greats, although I'm confused as to whether Barkley is in the game or not, as the '85 Sixers are in, but the article mentioned outrage among fans of Barkley.

[Rake2204]

This looks terrific!

I've always been a sucker for these types of modes in sports games, as I'm a big fan of the history of the sport as well as the sport itself. 2K's attention to detail has me as giddy as a schoolgirl in anticipation for the game's release.




This looks like a nice selection of all time greats, although I'm confused as to whether Barkley is in the game or not, as the '85 Sixers are in, but the article mentioned outrage among fans of Barkley.
I'd bet there will be a generic spot where Barkley should be. Video games have always had licensing issues with Chuck. I think he just does not want to be a part of games, for it's been insinuated that 2K certainly tried to make it happen. The good news is that he has one of the more realistic looking create-a-player versions in 2K10 and 2K11. So even though it's not the real thing, user-made Charles Barkley still looks awfully legit.

Also, in truth, if Barkley was on board, I'm betting that '93 Bulls team would be facing the '93 Suns instead of the Hornets. In fact, if Charles was willing, I'm sure his Suns would have been a part of the Jordan Challenge last year in 2K11.

[guy]

This looks terrific!

I've always been a sucker for these types of modes in sports games, as I'm a big fan of the history of the sport as well as the sport itself. 2K's attention to detail has me as giddy as a schoolgirl in anticipation for the game's release.




This looks like a nice selection of all time greats, although I'm confused as to whether Barkley is in the game or not, as the '85 Sixers are in, but the article mentioned outrage among fans of Barkley.

Right, I brought this up in the other thread. At the same time though, if they weren't including Barkley, why the hell would they have a Dr. J challenge for when he's 35 years old? It would make alot more sense to use one of his late 70s teams when he was in his prime with the famous fro.

[Rake2204]

Right, I brought this up in the other thread. At the same time though, if they weren't including Barkley, why the hell would they have a Dr. J challenge for when he's 35 years old? It would make alot more sense to use one of his late 70s teams when he was in his prime with the famous fro.
Yeah, I agree with you on that point though. Or at least from the Sixers' championship season, right? I guess we'll possibly find out the reasoning tomorrow when the full rosters are supposed to be revealed.

[Collie]

Russell! Sick, and greatly unexpected.

[TheLogo]

wtf!

Where's afro #8 Kobe at? I would love to see how sick they would make a young Kobe.

[Rake2204]

wtf!

Where's afro #8 Kobe at? I would love to see how sick they would make a young Kobe.
He'll be on the '98 Lakers squad. I'm sure Frobe and company will be edited at some point by roster creators into the 2000's Shaq dynasty version.

[chazzy]

He'll be on the '98 Lakers squad. I'm sure Frobe and company will be edited at some point by roster creators into the 2000's Shaq dynasty version.
Yup, was just about to say that. 3peat Lakers vs 02 Kings rematch

[TheLogo]

He'll be on the '98 Lakers squad. I'm sure Frobe and company will be edited at some point by roster creators into the 2000's Shaq dynasty version.

looks like they have rookie Kobe, whom would be very raw and unpolished.

Kind of like rookie MJ on the last game.

[Rake2204]

looks like they have rookie Kobe, whom would be very raw and unpolished.

Kind of like rookie MJ on the last game.
If I'm not mistaken, that'd be second year Kobe, which isn't a ton different, but he at least had the fro sprouting and was an all-star. And what I was saying was people will no doubt just edit his attributes from "raw" Kobe to "2001" Kobe and likely surround him with that '01 team as well. These players are all editable in regards to ratings and whatnot.

Also, on 2K11 for 360, people recreated entire years of the NBA. Assuming everything is still as editable as last year, that task will probably become easier in 2K12 due to the addition of so many players. I'd say right now a full 2002 roster is likely at some point, if for no other reason than the inclusion of the '02 Kings and a prime Shaq alongside a fro'd Kobe.

[Collie]

Soph Kobe would probably be an 80 rating.

[bdreason]

Glad to see Hakeem, Ewing, Russell, and Chamberlain. I'm going to enjoy playing with these bigmen.


Still missing Barkley. And I would have liked to see Reggie Miller's Pacers.

[Wiirdo]

Strange years they picked for some of the players like Kareem. Also I'm probably speaking for myself here but I would have liked to see '01 Sixers in it.

[Clutch]

Amazing job 2K Sports :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ProfessorMurder]

I'd say right now a full 2002 roster is likely at some point, if for no other reason than the inclusion of the '02 Kings and a prime Shaq alongside a fro'd Kobe.

The refs might get it right this time!

[ace23]

Would have loved to see Reggie Miller and AI. They were among the most popular in the poll on Facebook. Seems as though it was all bait to sucker us onto the hype train.

:confusedshrug:

Guess it worked, though. I'm pretty excited to play this mode, much moreso than last year's MJ Challenge. Let's hope they don't drop the ball and give us locked quarter lengths again.

[GS1905]

Can't wait..

[SuperPippen]

From what the article says, these are all of the notable legends that should be in the game:

Kareem ('71, '87)
Magic ('87, '91)
Worthy ('87, '91)
Bird ('86, '87)
Parish ('86, '87)
McHale ('86, '87)
DJ ('86, '87)
'Nique ('86)
Chamberlain ('71, '72)
West ('65, '71, '72)
Goodrich ('71, '72)
Baylor ('65, '71)
Maravich ('71)
Frazier ('72)
Reed ('72)
Pearl ('72)
DeBusschere ('72)
Dr. J ('85)
Moses ('85)
Ewing ('95)
Penny ('95)
Shaq ('95, '98)
Kobe ('98)
Drexler ('91)
Jordan ('89, '93, '96)
Pippen ('89, '93, '96)
Alonzo ('93)
Payton ('96)
Kemp ('96)
Mailman ('98)
Stockton ('98)
Robinson ('98)
Duncan ('98)
Oscar ('71)
Hakeem ('94)
Dikembe ('94)
Zeke ('89)
Dumars ('89)
Rodman ('89, '96)
Russell ('65)
Heinsohn ('65)
Jones ('65)
Havlicek ('65)

Even if some of the above aren't in the game for whatever reason, this is still a great job by 2K.

[ace23]

Bigmen rated from best to worst:

Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
Russell
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing
Mourning
Reed

http://mobile.twitter.com/Da_Czar

[TheAnchorman]

Bigmen rated from best to worst:

Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
Russell
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing
Mourning
Reed

http://mobile.twitter.com/Da_Czar
As in 2k12 ratings right? For a second I was going to object to Russell being so 'low' but if these are 2k12 ratings then I guess that should be fine.

[ace23]

As in 2k12 ratings right? For a second I was going to object to Russell being so 'low' but if these are 2k12 ratings then I guess that should be fine.
I'm sure that's what he means.

[jbryan1984]

wow this is great. just add the late 90s/early 2000 pacers in there and all my favorite teams from childhood would be here.

[ballerz]

Cant wait to play as wilt and russell in this game

[greensborohill]

So from the looks ofit we'll get every dream team player except Leattner. Plus we get every other significant late 80's early 90's players (except KJ, CHambers,etc.)

[InspiredLebowski]

You have to play the Russell one in black and white? That's amazingly stupid.

[greensborohill]

From what the article says, these are all of the notable legends that should be in the game:

Kareem ('71, '87)
Magic ('87, '91)
Worthy ('87, '91)
Bird ('86, '87)
Parish ('86, '87)
McHale ('86, '87)
DJ ('86, '87)
'Nique ('86)
Chamberlain ('71, '72)
West ('65, '71, '72)
Goodrich ('71, '72)
Baylor ('65, '71)
Maravich ('71)
Frazier ('72)
Reed ('72)
Pearl ('72)
DeBusschere ('72)
Dr. J ('85)
Moses ('85)
Ewing ('95)
Penny ('95)
Shaq ('95, '98)
Kobe ('98)
Drexler ('91)
Jordan ('89, '93, '96)
Pippen ('89, '93, '96)
Alonzo ('93)
Payton ('96)
Kemp ('96)
Mailman ('98)
Stockton ('98)
Robinson ('98)
Duncan ('98)
Oscar ('71)
Hakeem ('94)
Dikembe ('94)
Zeke ('89)
Dumars ('89)
Rodman ('89)
Russell ('65)
Heinsohn ('65)
Jones ('65)

Even if some of the above aren't in the game for whatever reason, this is still a great job by 2K.

85 Barkley too,right?

[knightfall88]

85 Barkley too,right?

No Barkley, no reggie.

Hakeem's rockets! No 2002 Lakers but 1998 Lakers will do..

[Rake2204]

You have to play the Russell one in black and white? That's amazingly stupid.
I'm going out on a limb here, and I could see it going either way actually, but I'd bet they'd offer that as an option the user could turn off. I remember MVP Baseball having a similar effect and that was also able to be toggled. If worst comes to worst and 2K12 did not offer the ability to adjust the screen, it'd only be for the one game it takes to unlock those two teams.

[Rake2204]

From what the article says, these are all of the notable legends that should be in the game:

Kareem ('71, '87)
Magic ('87, '91)
Worthy ('87, '91)
Bird ('86, '87)
Parish ('86, '87)
McHale ('86, '87)
DJ ('86, '87)
'Nique ('86)
Chamberlain ('71, '72)
West ('65, '71, '72)
Goodrich ('71, '72)
Baylor ('65, '71)
Maravich ('71)
Frazier ('72)
Reed ('72)
Pearl ('72)
DeBusschere ('72)
Dr. J ('85)
Moses ('85)
Ewing ('95)
Penny ('95)
Shaq ('95, '98)
Kobe ('98)
Drexler ('91)
Jordan ('89, '93, '96)
Pippen ('89, '93, '96)
Alonzo ('93)
Payton ('96)
Kemp ('96)
Mailman ('98)
Stockton ('98)
Robinson ('98)
Duncan ('98)
Oscar ('71)
Hakeem ('94)
Dikembe ('94)
Zeke ('89)
Dumars ('89)
Rodman ('89)
Russell ('65)
Heinsohn ('65)
Jones ('65)

Even if some of the above aren't in the game for whatever reason, this is still a great job by 2K.
Nice job on the list. I wanted to do the same thing at some point. I might have even tossed Jerry Lucas (averaged 20 and 20 for two years) and Bill Bradley on there.

A list of All-Stars on these teams would be even nastier.

[L.Kizzle]

No George Mikan wtf?
No George Gervin wtf?
No George McGinnis wtf?

[Rake2204]

No George Mikan wtf?
No George Gervin wtf?
No George McGinnis wtf?
Clear bias. Also no George McCloud.

[L.Kizzle]

Clear bias. Also no George McCloud.
If George Lynch is not in this game, I am boycotting and I invite you to join me.

[Rake2204]

If George Lynch is not in this game, I am boycotting and I invite you to join me.
I'm in.

We better pray for some '01 Sixers downloadable content.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Dennis Rodman was on the Lakers roster in 98-99. I wonder if he'll be included?

Fish
Kobe
Glen Rice
Eddie Jones
Rick Fox
Robert Horry
Dennis Rodman
Elden Campbell
Shaquille O'Neal

I like that roster even if Kobe isn't at his peak.

[miller-time]

i so want to play with the mourning, larry johnson and muggsy bogues, and shaq and penny squads. penny and zo were my favourite 90s players.

[L.Kizzle]

i so want to play with the mourning, larry johnson and muggsy bogues, and shaq and penny squads. penny and zo were my favourite 90s players.
Trade Shaq for Larry J and you can have them on the same squad.

[Rake2204]

Dennis Rodman was on the Lakers roster in 98-99. I wonder if he'll be included?

Fish
Kobe
Glen Rice
Eddie Jones
Rick Fox
Robert Horry
Dennis Rodman
Elden Campbell
Shaquille O'Neal

I like that roster even if Kobe isn't at his peak.
It will be the 1997-1998 Lakers. So no to Dennis Rodman but yes to Nick Van Exel.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

It will be the 1997-1998 Lakers. So no to Dennis Rodman but yes to Nick Van Exel.

I smell a trade! Rodman to LA for Sean Rooks.

[L.Kizzle]

I smell a trade! Rodman to LA for Sean Rooks.
I hope they didn't waist a roster spot on Sean Rooks (no disrespect.)

There should have been an ABA squad in the game.

The New York Nets (Doc, Larry Kenon) vs the Nuggets (Thompson, Issel)

[Batz]

I'm not buying this if this is the only feature they're integrating. Heck I can do that myself and do it better with a roster editor.

[Rake2204]

I hope they didn't waist a roster spot on Sean Rooks (no disrespect.)

There should have been an ABA squad in the game.

The New York Nets (Doc, Larry Kenon) vs the Nuggets (Thompson, Issel)
ESPN's story reported that many of the teams this year will now be 10-12 real players deep. If you recall 2K11, many of the classic teams had between 6-8 real players. So now, there's a chance Mr. Rooks could get the call.

[L8k3r5]

Dennis Rodman was on the Lakers roster in 98-99. I wonder if he'll be included?

Fish
Kobe
Glen Rice
Eddie Jones
Rick Fox
Robert Horry
Dennis Rodman
Elden Campbell
Shaquille O'Neal

I like that roster even if Kobe isn't at his peak.
People will probably edit the roster to make it to the 2002 Lakers I guarantee it. Just edit Kobe's rating for the 2002 season and you have a Lakers-Kings Western Conference Finals rematch.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I can't wait to see Frobe Bryant

[Big164]

Game would be perfect if they had:

2000 Shaq
93 Barkley(with KJ and Marjerle)
77 Walton



But 1972 Lakers is by far my favorite team of all time

C Wilt Chamberlain
F Happy Hairston
F Mcmillan
G GailGoodrich
G Jerry West
6m Pat Riley

Cant wait!

[Maniak]

Video Game Forum.

[97 bulls]

Anybody wanna guestimate on some of the player ratings?

[SuperPippen]

Anybody wanna guestimate on some of the player ratings?

Sure.

[97 bulls]

Sure.
Well?

[Rose]

I'm not buying this if this is the only feature they're integrating. Heck I can do that myself and do it better with a roster editor.
:rolleyes:

[NuggetsFan]

Any word about updates on others modes like Dynasty\My Player?

[Rake2204]

Any word about updates on others modes like Dynasty\My Player?
Tomorrow will be the first developer insight leading up to the game's October 4th release. It will cover the rest of the details on the Legends mode. After tomorrow, there will be 11 more insights coming between now and release, usually falling on either Mondays, Thursday or Fridays I believe. Undoubtedly, there will be insights devoted solely to those two modes.

[1987_Lakers]

Anybody wanna guestimate on some of the player ratings?
I will do a couple of teams. Not sure if the roster for these teams is going to be complete.

'96 Bulls
C - Longley - 68
PF - Rodman - 82
SF - Pippen - 92
SG - MJ - 99
PG - Harper - 73
6M - Kukoc - 78

'87 Lakers
C - Kareem - 83
PF - Green - 73
SF - Worthy - 87
SG - Scott - 75
PG - Magic - 97

'86 Celtics
C - Parish - 84
PF - McHale - 90
SF - Bird - 98
SG - Ainge - 75
PG - DJ - 83
6M - Walton - 76

'72 Lakers
C - Wilt - 90
PF - Hairiston - 78
SF - McMillian -77
SG - Goodrich - 82
PG - West - 90

[SuperPippen]

I'll rate a couple of players off the top of my head.


From what the article says, these are all of the notable legends that should be in the game:

Kareem ('71 - 94 rating, '87 - 80 rating)
Magic ('87 - 95 rating, '91 - 92 rating)
Worthy ('87, '91)
Bird ('86 - 96 rating, '87 - 97 rating)
Parish ('86 - 85 rating, '87 - 86 rating)
McHale ('86- 87 rating, '87 - 90 rating)
DJ ('86, '87)
'Nique ('86)
Chamberlain ('71 - 93 rating, '72 - 91 rating)
West ('65 - 92 rating, '71 - 88 rating, '72 - 87 rating)
Goodrich ('71, '72)
Baylor ('65 - 89 rating, '71 - 78 rating)
Maravich ('71)
Frazier ('72)
Reed ('72)
Pearl ('72)
DeBusschere ('72)
Dr. J ('85 - 89 rating)
Moses ('85)
Ewing ('95)
Penny ('95)
Shaq ('95 - 95 rating, '98 - 96 rating)
Kobe ('98 - 80 rating)
Drexler ('91 - 90 rating)
Jordan ('89, '93, '96)
Pippen ('89 - 86 rating, '93 - 90 rating, '96 - 92 rating)
Alonzo ('93)
Payton ('96)
Kemp ('96)
Mailman ('98)
Stockton ('98)
Robinson ('98)
Duncan ('98 - 92 rating)
Oscar ('71)
Hakeem ('94 - 97 rating)
Dikembe ('94)
Zeke ('89)
Dumars ('89)
Rodman ('89, '96)
Russell ('65 - 90 rating)
Heinsohn ('65)
Jones ('65)
Havlicek ('65)

Even if some of the above aren't in the game for whatever reason, this is still a great job by 2K.

[97 bulls]

I will do a couple of teams. Not sure if the roster for these teams is going to be complete.

'96 Bulls
C - Longley - 68
PF - Rodman - 82
SF - Pippen - 92
SG - MJ - 99
PG - Harper - 73
6M - Kukoc - 78

'87 Lakers
C - Kareem - 83
PF - Green - 73
SF - Worthy - 87
SG - Scott - 75
PG - Magic - 97

'86 Celtics
C - Parish - 84
PF - McHale - 90
SF - Bird - 98
SG - Ainge - 75
PG - DJ - 83
6M - Walton - 76

'72 Lakers
C - Wilt - 90
PF - Hairiston - 78
SF - McMillian -77
SG - Goodrich - 82
PG - West - 90
I like it. But you'd never be able to justify mchale, bird and magic ratings cuz birds athleticism and magics defense hurt them to the point being mid to low 90s.

Id put rodman at 87. I think he's on par or slightly better than worthy. Mchale is too high too. Id rate him at 87.

[EnoughSaid]

Can't wait to play with Hakeem. My favorite player of All-Time! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SuperPippen]

Can't wait to play with Hakeem. My favorite player of All-Time! :bowdown: :bowdown:

Hell yea.

Let's hope 2K does him proper justice and makes the Dream Shake just as disgusting as it was in real life.

[ace23]

Hell yea.

Let's hope 2K does him proper justice and makes the Dream Shake just as disgusting as it was in real life.
Pretty nasty as it is now.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I'm just gonna slap an elbow pad and leg sleeve on Frobe and boost his ratings and have fun running through the league with a Kobe/Shaq combo

[1987_Lakers]

I like it. But you'd never be able to justify mchale, bird and magic ratings cuz birds athleticism and magics defense hurt them to the point being mid to low 90s.

Id put rodman at 87. I think he's on par or slightly better than worthy. Mchale is too high too. Id rate him at 87.

I disagree with you with McHale. This game will feature the '86 & '87 Celtics, McHale's 2 best seasons. In the '86 postseason McHale averaged 25 PPG on 58% shooting while grabbing 8.5 RPG and averaging 2 BPG. in 1987 he was considered an MVP candidate averaging 26 PPG on 60% shooting, 10 RPG on 2.2 BPG, he made the All-Defensive First Team & the All-NBA First Team. 90 is a perfect rating for McHale.

Can you tell me why an old Rodman who was one-dimensional have a 87 rating just like McHale? McHale was obviously the better player. Rodman should be in the early 80's.

[97 bulls]

I disagree with you with McHale. This game will feature the '86 & '87 Celtics, McHale's 2 best seasons. In the '86 postseason McHale averaged 25 PPG on 58% shooting while grabbing 8.5 RPG and averaging 2 BPG. in 1987 he was considered an MVP candidate averaging 26 PPG on 60% shooting, 10 RPG on 2.2 BPG, he made the All-Defensive First Team & the All-NBA First Team. 90 is a perfect rating for McHale.

Can you tell me why an old Rodman who was one-dimensional have a 87 rating just like McHale? McHale was obviously the better player. Rodman should be in the early 80's.
Because rodman was arguably the best low post defender in the league, he lead the league in rebounds as well as being the best rebounder and was all nba 1st team defense.

And I tend to rate more according to their career not just one season. Unless the drop is significant. Like kareem.

[Dbrog]

You have to play the Russell one in black and white? That's amazingly stupid.

If you win it, you unlock the team for exhibition play :confusedshrug:

Anyway....I hope it will be like 2k11 where you can include the legends in fantasy draft association. The thought of that is just :applause: :rockon: :pimp:

[Rake2204]

Because rodman was arguably the best low post defender in the league, he lead the league in rebounds as well as being the best rebounder and was all nba 1st team defense.

And I tend to rate more according to their career not just one season. Unless the drop is significant. Like kareem.
What was Rodman's rating on those Bulls teams in 2K11? I feel like generally one-dimensional players in 2K had a cap on how high their overall rating could be (as overall is a culmination of everything). Clearly, to refer to guys like Dennis Rodman and prime Ben Wallace as one-dimensional doesn't really tell the whole story and they'd surely find themselves a higher rating through all the intangibles they perform. But still, I don't think they'll find themselves in the area code of the all-around stars in terms of overall.

[All Net]

Lakers got like 7 teams in but no room for any of the 3peat teams.

[guy]

Lakers got like 7 teams in but no room for any of the 3peat teams.

I really don't get how Shaq doesn't have a challenge but players like Ewing and Stockton do. Shaq is at the very least in the top 4 of most recognizable "inactive" NBA players ever. Definitely right behind Jordan, and then either ahead or behind Magic and Barkley.

[Gotterdammerung]

What? No 1967 Sixers with Wilt at the height of his powers? The all-time great team that finally killed the Celtic dynasty?

No 1977 Walton's Blazers? No Golden State Warriors of the early 90s with Run-TMC? No Barkley's Phoenix Suns? And.... No 2001 Lakers?!?

Boycott.

[Rake2204]

I really don't get how Shaq doesn't have a challenge but players like Ewing and Stockton do. Shaq is at the very least in the top 4 of most recognizable "inactive" NBA players ever. Definitely right behind Jordan, and then either ahead or behind Magic and Barkley.
I'm not sure if it makes any difference to you, but there won't really be challenges this year. Whereas last season, each Jordan Challenge required a minimum statistical output (i.e. score 63 with Jordan against the '86 Celtics), this season the only goal is to win the given matchup. So in a way, I only look at the listed "legends" as placeholders.

For instance, technically the 1994-95 Knicks vs. Magic game included is the "Ewing Legend" game. However, it could just as easily be looked at as a Shaq or Penny legend game, since those are Ewing's opponents. Similarly, Stockton's legend game comes against the '98 Lakers, which could just as well mean it's once again Shaq's or even a young Kobe. So the titles say "Ewing" and "Stockton", but I don't think it really means much. I view that more as an excuse or platform to provide us with a ton of stars on both sides.

If I had to guess, I'd bet 2K wanted to refer to legends as players who've been out of the game for a while. With Shaq and Iverson just recently retiring (or half retiring) they likely assumed their names would still be too household and familiar to designate as one of the fifteen legends. They may have feared a "Shaquille O'Neal is one of the legends? Why is that special? I was using him last year with the Celtics" situation.

[UK-NJ]

Run TMC are in the game, but I agree that those other teams would've been nice. Still, I'm liking the selection they've opted for.

[Rake2204]

What? No 1967 Sixers with Wilt at the height of his powers? The all-time great team that finally killed the Celtic dynasty?

No 1977 Walton's Blazers? No Golden State Warriors of the early 90s with Run-TMC? No Barkley's Phoenix Suns? And.... No 2001 Lakers?!?

Boycott.

1) Those '67 Sixers would have been nice, I agree.

2) Those '77 Blazers also would have been nice, I agree.

3) As UK-NJ mentioned above, the '91 Warriors will be included (right now as a bonus team for pre-ordering 2K12).

4) Charles Barkley has allegedly refused to allow his likeness to be used in video games for at least the last decade. 2K12 (and 2K11) both tried to use Barkley, but Chuck did not agree. Elsewise, we'd definitely have to believe one of the Jordan Challenges would have pitted '93 Chicago vs. Phoenix. As has been reported, Barkley's absence is not through 2K's lack of trying. For all we know, that could have been the situation with Bill Walton too, I just haven't heard as such in his regard.

5) I'm not 100% convinced a team like the '02 Los Angeles Lakers won't be making an appearance. Alongside the pre-order bonus of the '91 Golden State Warriors also comes the '02 Sacramento Kings, one of L.A.'s primary rivals during that period. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether 2K will be offering any downloadable content in that regard.

The good news is that even if the '02 or '01 Lakers never make an official appearance, most of their pieces will already be present in the game and will henceforth be easy to adjust and put together to create an '02 squad on our own. Kobe, Shaq, Fisher, Fox, Horry, Shaw, and Richmond will all already be there. It is my belief that users will be modifying the heck out of all these classic teams and likely putting together some impressive entire years of the NBA, just as they did in 2K11, but now with more real players.

And as for the absence of the '67 Sixers and '77 Blazers, I guess there's only so much room, right? They hooked us up with at least 30 classic teams covering nearly all eras of NBA basketball. I am very impressed.

[Gotterdammerung]

1) Those '67 Sixers would have been nice, I agree.
solid response. Though, the absence of the 1967 sixers alone is the dealbreaker. :(

There's always next year!

[97 bulls]

What? No 1967 Sixers with Wilt at the height of his powers? The all-time great team that finally killed the Celtic dynasty?

No 1977 Walton's Blazers? No Golden State Warriors of the early 90s with Run-TMC? No Barkley's Phoenix Suns? And.... No 2001 Lakers?!?

Boycott.
I think they're intentionally doing this to keep the game sales high. They'll slowly add new teams every year. Thus continue the high interest.

[guy]

I'm not sure if it makes any difference to you, but there won't really be challenges this year. Whereas last season, each Jordan Challenge required a minimum statistical output (i.e. score 63 with Jordan against the '86 Celtics), this season the only goal is to win the given matchup. So in a way, I only look at the listed "legends" as placeholders.

For instance, technically the 1994-95 Knicks vs. Magic game included is the "Ewing Legend" game. However, it could just as easily be looked at as a Shaq or Penny legend game, since those are Ewing's opponents. Similarly, Stockton's legend game comes against the '98 Lakers, which could just as well mean it's once again Shaq's or even a young Kobe. So the titles say "Ewing" and "Stockton", but I don't think it really means much. I view that more as an excuse or platform to provide us with a ton of stars on both sides.

If I had to guess, I'd bet 2K wanted to refer to legends as players who've been out of the game for a while. With Shaq and Iverson just recently retiring (or half retiring) they likely assumed their names would still be too household and familiar to designate as one of the fifteen legends. They may have feared a "Shaquille O'Neal is one of the legends? Why is that special? I was using him last year with the Celtics" situation.

I believe for those challenges you have to beat that opponent with that team. Meaning if you do the Patrick Ewing challenge, you have to be the Knicks and beat the Magic, and thats the only way you can unlock those teams for all the other modes. You can't play as the Magic in that challenge. Thats why I was thinking it was weird that Shaq didn't have a challenge. It doesn't really matter to me, was just wondering. You could be right about the last part. Alot of younger kids probably associate Shaq with his scrub version in Cleveland and Boston.

[ace23]

You can get the "Run TMC" squad if you pre-order.

[Rake2204]

I believe for those challenges you have to beat that opponent with that team. Meaning if you do the Patrick Ewing challenge, you have to be the Knicks and beat the Magic, and thats the only way you can unlock those teams for all the other modes. You can't play as the Magic in that challenge. Thats why I was thinking it was weird that Shaq didn't have a challenge. It doesn't really matter to me, was just wondering. You could be right about the last part. Alot of younger kids probably associate Shaq with his scrub version in Cleveland and Boston.
Ohhh, yeah, you're probably right. It probably would make sense, having the user play as the "Legend" in those particular games. Even then, using Patrick Ewing to defeat Shaq and Penny one time, thus unlocking the ability to use both teams whenever I wanted. . .I think I can handle that.

[Vertical-24]

Sounds completely epic. Russell, Frazier, Penny, Barkley and Ewing !?!?!? And i'm even excited to play with Young Kobe. 2K11 is still my favorite game at the moment and the thought of 2K12 is pretty orgasmic. Can't wait for it.

[Maniak]

You can get the "Run TMC" squad if you pre-order.
Pre-order it from what store?

[magnax1]

Why are so many of these guys so old? Dr. J, Kareem, and Wilt are all in their 30s for theirs...

[Rake2204]

Why are so many of these guys so old? Dr. J, Kareem, and Wilt are all in their 30s for theirs...
I think 2K's plan was to try to include as many legends as possible, both as the featured fifteen and also as opponents and teammates. So in Wilt's case, that might explain his team's matchup with the Hall of Famer loaded '72 Knicks team. Not to mention, Chamberlain's Lakers squad won the title that year, even though Wilt himself was no longer in his prime. Like some others said though, it would have been hard to go wrong with the '67 Sixers team.

In Kareem's case, he'll be getting double treatment (as will Wilt, even though Wilt's two teams are only one year apart). Kareem will have his '87 Lakers squad (from his older days), but he'll also be a part of the Oscar '71 Bucks challenge, in his prime. And like I said, I think this was 2K trying to kill two (or maybe four) birds with one stone. If they were to hand the '71 challenge to Kareem, it may have meant not giving Oscar a challenge. So instead, they gave Kareem '87 as a means of opening up '71 which would still include Kareem (or Lew).

I can't really explain Julius Erving though. Initially I figured this move was made strictly because it'd allow the good doctor to be teamed up with a rookie Charles Barkley. However, I don't think they have Chuck's rights, so it kind of makes you wonder why they didn't at least select Philly's championship squad.

[magnax1]

I never noticed they put Oscar's team as 71, I thought Kareem was only in 87 lol. I do wish they put 77 Dr. J in though, and then had the 77 Blazers too. That was probably his best playoff run in the NBA, even though he didn't play that well in the regular seaosn. 67 Sixers would've been better too, but now we can do Wilt vs Kareem in 71 lol.

[Rake2204]

I never noticed they put Oscar's team as 71, I thought Kareem was only in 87 lol. I do wish they put 77 Dr. J in though, and then had the 77 Blazers too. That was probably his best playoff run in the NBA, even though he didn't play that well in the regular seaosn. 67 Sixers would've been better too, but now we can do Wilt vs Kareem in 71 lol.
The official Developer Insight was just released on the NBA's Greatest. In addition to the official legend matchups, there will be seven bonus teams, four of them appearing in 2K11: '86 Bulls, '91 Bulls, '97 Bulls, '90 Cavaliers, '91 Warriors, '02 Kings and coincidentally, the '77 76ers team you just mentioned.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/nba-2k/nba-2k12-developer-insight-2-nbas-greatest/10150266960872267

[stolper]

If George Lynch is not in this game, I am boycotting and I invite you to join me.

Let's not forget Gheorghe Muresan.

[ace23]

Pre-order it from what store?
For Gamestop I'm sure. I'll have to do some research to see if that bonus applies with other stores.

No outlets seem to be naming a specific store. :confusedshrug:

[SuperPippen]

The official Developer Insight was just released on the NBA's Greatest. In addition to the official legend matchups, there will be seven bonus teams, four of them appearing in 2K11: '86 Bulls, '91 Bulls, '97 Bulls, '90 Cavaliers, '91 Warriors, '02 Kings and coincidentally, the '77 76ers team you just mentioned.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/nba-2k/nba-2k12-developer-insight-2-nbas-greatest/10150266960872267

Fantastic.

I'm very impressed by the number of classic players and teams that 2K squeezed in this year.

The first thing I'm gonna do is start a 1-on-1 match between '98 Kobe and his father, Jellybean Joe.

[guy]

The official Developer Insight was just released on the NBA's Greatest. In addition to the official legend matchups, there will be seven bonus teams, four of them appearing in 2K11: '86 Bulls, '91 Bulls, '97 Bulls, '90 Cavaliers, '91 Warriors, '02 Kings and coincidentally, the '77 76ers team you just mentioned.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/nba-2k/nba-2k12-developer-insight-2-nbas-greatest/10150266960872267

Looks like there is no Barkley.

[Rake2204]

Looks like there is no Barkley.
That's kind of what I was expecting. He hasn't agree to allow his likeness to be used in a video game in a long time. Thankfully, there's been a great Charles Barkley out there on 2KShare. The created version of Chuck looks almost as good as the real thing. Similarly, last year's created version of Nick Van Exel also looked very life-like (bald players tend to be easier to re-create). So, Nick's absence on the '98 Lakers by default should be easily alleviated.

[PHILA]

What? No 1967 Sixers with Wilt at the height of his powers? The all-time great team that finally killed the Celtic dynasty?
I'm not sure they could accurately recreate Convention Hall.

[1987_Lakers]

Because rodman was arguably the best low post defender in the league, he lead the league in rebounds as well as being the best rebounder and was all nba 1st team defense.

I understand Rodman was a terrific rebounder & good defender, but his HUGE liabilities offensively put him in the early 80's. Rodman didn't even make the All-Star Team or All-NBA Team in 1996, but you have him rated the same as McHale who was the best power forward in the league in '86 & '87, and an MVP candidate in 1987. It makes no sense.


And I tend to rate more according to their career not just one season. Unless the drop is significant. Like kareem.

I don't agree with this at all. 1996 Bulls had '96 Rodman, not '92 Rodman.

[L.Kizzle]

I wonder if I should by a game 360 or PS3m or whatever for this game?

[97 bulls]

I understand Rodman was a terrific rebounder & good defender, but his HUGE liabilities offensively put him in the early 80's. Rodman didn't even make the All-Star Team or All-NBA Team in 1996, but you have him rated the same as McHale who was the best power forward in the league in '86 & '87, and an MVP candidate in 1987. It makes no sense.



I don't agree with this at all. 1996 Bulls had '96 Rodman, not '92 Rodman.
He didn't shoot. That doesn't mean he's an offensively liability. He killed the sonics with his OFENSIVE rebounding in 96. Besides, its not just those few factors that determine ratings. How bout athleticism? He has mchale in that, hustle? Strength, jumping, hell rodman is even a better shooter 3pt shooter than mchale.

The only thing mchale has over rodman is mid range jump shooting and low post offense. Rodman even has finished higer in the mvp voting year in and out. While mchale has the highest single season. And who cares about an all-star game?

[Kobe 4 The Win]

McHale was an offensive machine but I'd hardly call Rodman an offensive liability. He was capable of scoring when he chose to, his ofensive rebounding and putbacks were amazing, he was a solid passer and screen setter. Rodman could shoot too, he just rarely did it. I've seen him hit threes and 20 footers. He's just not a "post scorer" like McHale.

Rodman is a favorite of mine. I followed his career closely.

[Rake2204]

I wonder if I should by a game 360 or PS3m or whatever for this game?
I can't exactly tell if you're saying you're wondering if you should buy this game for 360 or PS3 but if that is indeed what you're asking, I'd suggest 360. For some weird reason, there's a ton of excellent roster modifiers for the 360 and only a sparse amount on the PS3. By that I mean a lot of 360 users have re-created entire years of NBA history (largely spanning from '85 to '10). PS3 only has a couple of seasons and I am unsure of their quality. That'd be enough to make the difference in my regard.

Also, here's a screenshot released of the '98 Spurs-Jazz matchup. What's apparent is that Vinny Del Negro strangely looks jacked up (more Matthew Perry than Vinny Del Negro). The 2K coaching version of himself looks better than this. However, nice to see a clean cut Duncan and also great to see Robinson and Elliott. And yes, both teams have the same poses by position. I don't think I've ever noticed that before because in games, they don't show both lineups at the same time.
http://i.imgur.com/0WMGH.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

I can't exactly tell if you're saying you're wondering if you should buy this game for 360 or PS3 but if that is indeed what you're asking, I'd suggest 360. For some weird reason, there's a ton of excellent roster modifiers for the 360 and only a sparse amount on the PS3. By that I mean a lot of 360 users have re-created entire years of NBA history (largely spanning from '85 to '10). PS3 only has a couple of seasons and I am unsure of their quality. That'd be enough to make the difference in my regard.
The game systems. Last system I owned was X Box in high school, last game I bought for it was NBA 2K5.

Haven't had a game system since.

[ballinhun8]

Adam Keefe again!!??

Wtf Byron Russell. Man up!

[Rake2204]

The game systems. Last system I owned was X Box in high school, last game I bought for it was NBA 2K5.

Haven't had a game system since.
Ohhh. Yep, I'd personally recommend an XBox 360 for 2K12 if you like classic team adjustments (the full NBA years).


Adam Keefe again!!??

Wtf Byron Russell. Man up!
Bryon Russell's on the roster, but he was a sixth man that year. Adam Keefe started 75 games that year to Russell's 7. Similarly, Greg Foster started 49 games that year to Greg Ostertag's 23.

[L.Kizzle]

I can't exactly tell if you're saying you're wondering if you should buy this game for 360 or PS3 but if that is indeed what you're asking, I'd suggest 360. For some weird reason, there's a ton of excellent roster modifiers for the 360 and only a sparse amount on the PS3. By that I mean a lot of 360 users have re-created entire years of NBA history (largely spanning from '85 to '10). PS3 only has a couple of seasons and I am unsure of their quality. That'd be enough to make the difference in my regard.

Also, here's a screenshot released of the '98 Spurs-Jazz matchup. What's apparent is that Vinny Del Negro strangely looks jacked up (more Matthew Perry than Vinny Del Negro). The 2K coaching version of himself looks better than this. However, nice to see a clean cut Duncan and also great to see Robinson and Elliott. And yes, both teams have the same poses by position. I don't think I've ever noticed that before because in games, they don't show both lineups at the same time.
http://i.imgur.com/0WMGH.jpg
David Robinson has never had a mean mug like that before, lol.

[Rake2204]

David Robinson has never had a mean mug like that before, lol.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I usually skip over those intro things anyway. Here's about as close as he'd get:

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2009/09/ipt/1252688821.jpg

Even there he looks like he's about one second away from smiling.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I usually skip over those intro things anyway. Here's about as close as he'd get:

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2009/09/ipt/1252688821.jpg

Even there he looks like he's about one second away from smiling.
So all the centers will have that pose.

Bill Russel lookin' like that, lol.

[Rake2204]

So all the centers will have that pose.

Bill Russel lookin' like that, lol.
I can't remember, but I'm not sure that's always how each team poses. If it is, I can't believe I never picked up on it.

Also worth noticing though is the "younger" Duncan (no scraggly beard and whatnot). It's a small but noticeable adjustment which hopefully means other players (ex: Frobe/Shaq) will get the same treatment.

[Rake2204]

Here's a preview of NBA 2K12: http://kotaku.com/5834188/trying-not-to-swoon-on-my-first-date-with-nba-2k12

Some additions of note:

-Rules will in fact differ depending upon the era in which a game is being played. Games prior to 1979 will feature the old "three-to-make-two" free throw rule along with the absence of a three point line (meaning those lines we saw in the trailer will in fact be removed for the final product).

-To quote the article, "You may run set plays off an inbounds from a timeout. In the timeout, which many button-through and accept whatever CPU substitutions are made, you can bring up a menu designating your inbounds passer, your shooter, and the type of shot you want. Coming out of the break, your stick control will be on the shooter. It's a very clean way of handling what we all see in crunch time, the coach with a white board, drawing up something to get a vital bucket."

-Also, as can be seen in the trailer, players will be able to jump over the scorers table as well as into or over the first row or two of fans. It sounds like there will be fan "pockets" where they will react to a player coming toward them.

[SuperPippen]

Here's a preview of NBA 2K12: http://kotaku.com/5834188/trying-not-to-swoon-on-my-first-date-with-nba-2k12

Some additions of note:

-Rules will in fact differ depending upon the era in which a game is being played. Games prior to 1979 will feature the old "three-to-make-two" free throw rule along with the absence of a three point line (meaning those lines we saw in the trailer will in fact be removed for the final product).

-To quote the article, "You may run set plays off an inbounds from a timeout. In the timeout, which many button-through and accept whatever CPU substitutions are made, you can bring up a menu designating your inbounds passer, your shooter, and the type of shot you want. Coming out of the break, your stick control will be on the shooter. It's a very clean way of handling what we all see in crunch time, the coach with a white board, drawing up something to get a vital bucket."

-Also, as can be seen in the trailer, players will be able to jump over the scorers table as well as into or over the first row or two of fans. It sounds like there will be fan "pockets" where they will react to a player coming toward them.

Great find.

Looks like the "painstaking" amount of time put into the detail of the game is going to pay off.

Can't wait!

[rodman91]

I wish there were 01 sixers and lakers...

[OhNoTimNoSho]

they need to stop being homos and just put every old good team in the game

[Rake2204]

they need to stop being homos and just put every old good team in the game
I'd say including as many retro jerseys as possible would be a step in the right direction, so people could at least create their own classic teams ('93 Suns).

[greensborohill]

Ohhh. Yep, I'd personally recommend an XBox 360 for 2K12 if you like classic team adjustments (the full NBA years).


Bryon Russell's on the roster, but he was a sixth man that year. Adam Keefe started 75 games that year to Russell's 7. Similarly, Greg Foster started 49 games that year to Greg Ostertag's 23.

Do you knwo where we can see the full legends rosters?

[PowerGlove]

:sleeping

I'm completely confused. How is Iverson not in the game? So disrespectful, dude was their original cover athlete.

[PowerGlove]

I'm not buying this if this is the only feature they're integrating. Heck I can do that myself and do it better with a roster editor.
Yeah they might as well just improve the create a player mode so that I can just do my own thing.

[Rake2204]

Do you knwo where we can see the full legends rosters?
I cannot access it at work, but if you search "NBA 2K" on Facebook, their second developer insight provides a list of all the players who will actually be in the game from each respective team. Contrary to 2K11, where many teams only had 6-7 players, a vast majority of 2K12 classic teams appear to have around 10 actual players included. For instance, the Bad Boys Pistons team now has a handful of players who were absent in last year's game including Mark Aguirre, John Salley, and Vinnie Johnson (and Rick Mahorn, who wouldn't have been on the '90 team, but is now present on the '89 club).


:sleeping
I'm completely confused. How is Iverson not in the game? So disrespectful, dude was their original cover athlete.
Obviously your guess is as good as mine, but I was just thinking there was probably 2nd thoughts of including Iverson as a legend when there was still a chance he'd become an active player again.

I could see where it'd get a little shaky. An '01 LAL/PHI matchup would have been great for 2K12, but then they'd have had to likely anoint either Iverson or O'Neal as a "Legend" and I bet they wanted to go with players who've actually been out of the game for at least a minute.

I have to admit though, when I saw the '02 Kings coming to 2K12, I thought the '02 Lakers would have been a foregone conclusion. I guess they still will be after I'm sure a ton of users edit that '98 squad to their liking.

And is there a chance Iverson will be in the game as a free agent? I think that's a possibility.

[greensborohill]

I cannot access it at work, but if you search "NBA 2K" on Facebook, their second developer insight provides a list of all the players who will actually be in the game from each respective team. Contrary to 2K11, where many teams only had 6-7 players, a vast majority of 2K12 classic teams appear to have around 10 actual players included. For instance, the Bad Boys Pistons team now has a handful of players who were absent in last year's game including Mark Aguirre, John Salley, and Vinnie Johnson (and Rick Mahorn, who wouldn't have been on the '90 team, but is now present on the '89 club).

Can't access it here either, but thank you very much. I'll check it out at home. I assume we are getting a generic player instead of rookie Barkley on the 84 Sixers.

[Rake2204]

Can't access it here either, but thank you very much. I'll check it out at home. I assume we are getting a generic player instead of rookie Barkley on the 84 Sixers.
Yep. The '85 76ers team is actually one of the least filled out rosters if I recall correctly. It honestly seemed like each classic team had at least nine players present. Then the '85 Sixers club had something like seven, with no Charles Barkley and no Andrew Toney. I think it was something like Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Maurice Cheeks, Bobby Jones, Clint Richardson, George Johnson and Clemon Johnson.

I'm really kind of curious as to how they settled on that '85 squad, especially if they knew Charles Barkley wouldn't agree to allow them to use his likeness (unless they selected the team assuming he'd agree, or if a pending deal fell apart).

I guess the good news is that each classic team is supposed to be just as editable as they were last year, so it'll be more than possible to fill in the blanks. And I know some folks just want the real Charles Barkley, but I was actually pretty impressed and satisfied with the created Chuck on the 360 last year.

[DirtySanchez]

Holy sh*t this game is going to be EPIC!!!!!!!

[MiseryCityTexas]

I wish there were 01 sixers and lakers...

I WISH THE 01 RAPTORS WOULDA MADE IT MYSELF. Doing all of Carter's signature dunks would have been golden. Would have been nice to have 96 Iverson before the braids when he had major hops in the game also.:rockon: :eek:

[Rake2204]

I WISH THE 01 RAPTORS WOULDA MADE IT MYSELF. Doing all of Carter's signature dunks would have been golden. Would have been nice to have 96 Iverson before the braids when he had major hops in the game also.:rockon: :eek:
I would have been cool with an '00 Raptors team as well. This would have provided some Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady. And you're exactly right, a re-implementation of Vince's signature dunks would have been awesome.

At least Doug Christie, Kevin Willis, Muggsy Bogues, Dell Curry and Charles Oakley will both be in the game, so that us could help create a classic Raptors team ourselves.

[Go Getter]

All of this means spit if they don't come out with a glitch-free product.

[Kblaze8855]

nobody will ever come out with a glitch free product.

[Go Getter]

nobody will ever come out with a glitch free product.
you know what I mean man no need to argue semantics.

[Kblaze8855]

Its just...a totally unreasonable thing to even look for. People set themselves up for a letdown.

20 minutes into playing people will be calling it broken. As every sports game was...and probably will be.

[MiseryCityTexas]

rebounding was the only major problem i had with 2k11. everything else was str8 to me as far as glitches. i actually even liked the fact that passes were being picked off way too often (something many others complained about in 2k11). I actually enjoyed it because it was challenging and exciting to me. it challenged me into making smarter passes to teammates, which i liked.

[Fatstogie]

All of this means spit if they don't come out with a glitch-free product.

thank you.

And not even glitch free. Just fix the crap thas been broke for 3 years.

Its ASTOUNDING, that they jsut add jordan, then add Kareem n shit to THE SAME FREAKING GAME.

Then yall basically pay $60 for some players that you coulda created yourself.

Quit getting hyped with kobe, jordan, kareem, omg omg omg did you hear? they are adding troy aikman to 2k12.

lol a joke.

Make a my player, get him to 99 and go play. Who the hell even plays the regular crap neway?

Its much better to play your posistion and only your posistion.

Of course no one on the game, as in real life, actually knows how to play for real. So it gets boring when eveyrone just leaves the game cause they are garbage.


Yea im not even messing with 2k12. After i saw that 2k11 was EXACTLY TEH SAME GAME AS 2K10, with jordan.

I could give a shit if the dudes name is Larry Smith. Get him to 99, and lets play.

The names are arbitrary and if your excited about a name, instead of the game, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THEY CAN KEEP RELEASING A SHITTY GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

STOP.

[SuperPippen]

thank you.

And not even glitch free. Just fix the crap thas been broke for 3 years.

Its ASTOUNDING, that they jsut add jordan, then add Kareem n shit to THE SAME FREAKING GAME.

Then yall basically pay $60 for some players that you coulda created yourself.

Quit getting hyped with kobe, jordan, kareem, omg omg omg did you hear? they are adding troy aikman to 2k12.

lol a joke.

Make a my player, get him to 99 and go play. Who the hell even plays the regular crap neway?

Its much better to play your posistion and only your posistion.

Of course no one on the game, as in real life, actually knows how to play for real. So it gets boring when eveyrone just leaves the game cause they are garbage.


Yea im not even messing with 2k12. After i saw that 2k11 was EXACTLY TEH SAME GAME AS 2K10, with jordan.

I could give a shit if the dudes name is Larry Smith. Get him to 99, and lets play.

The names are arbitrary and if your excited about a name, instead of the game, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THEY CAN KEEP RELEASING A SHITTY GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

STOP.

A lot of people don't play My Player.

I personally never found the mode that appealing, and mostly played Association, or against friends.

This isn't "THE SAME FREAKING GAME" because the developers actually do attempt to make improvements to the gameplay, in addition to all of the legends that they've added.

[TheLogo]

http://img208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20101108/22/55541480201011082243463048132876625_000.jpg

if they have this version of Kobe it would be very nice.

[lakers_forever]

http://img208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20101108/22/55541480201011082243463048132876625_000.jpg

if they have this version of Kobe it would be very nice.

Kobe did not have tatoos when he had the fro.

[lakers_forever]

I wish they fixed the my player mode. Let you play 29 games seasons and make us chose to play less minutes a quarter, while simulating the stats. Say you play a game with 3 min a quarter and score 15 points, it will count in the stats as 50 pts or whatever.

[TheLogo]

I wish they fixed the my player mode. Let you play 29 games seasons and make us chose to play less minutes a quarter, while simulating the stats. Say you play a game with 3 min a quarter and score 15 points, it will count in the stats as 50 pts or whatever.

I wish that too.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea im not even messing with 2k12. After i saw that 2k11 was EXACTLY TEH SAME GAME AS 2K10, with jordan.


This is exactly why people cant be pleased. They take it being the same basic thing(basketball...) and act like nothing has changed.

2k11 has:

Far better on the ball D to the point of being able to draw on the ball charges in one on one situation easily if you work at it

You can draw charges off the ball

Running through well set screens...is a foul on the D

The layup packages were redone.

The post game changed.

Lob passes from out of bounds work if you are any good

Contact jumpers changed

My player changed(far more things to judge performance...you cant even be sluggish running the break without them calling you out)

My crew went from borderline impossible to play to people getting in tens of thousands of games. I couldnt get a my player pickup game/my crew game to work online. At all. I got one full game in on 2k10. 1. Ive played hundreds on 11. It works now.

The game is a lot different. But since they dont make sweeping changes to the basic game that at this point would be just a change for changes sake.... people act like its the same. They probably got to like 90% of what a basketball simulation can be expected to do in 2k10. 2k11 creeped up a point or two. We will never get t oflawless. But if 2k12 adds even as much as 2k11 did it will be without a peer as a basketball sim.

But if you want major changes you just arent gonna get them. Once they have basic controls down...what big changes are there to make that arent just for the hell of it?

[chazzy]

My crew went from borderline impossible to play to people getting in tens of thousands of games. I couldnt get a my player pickup game/my crew game to work online. At all. I got one full game in on 2k10. 1. Ive played hundreds on 11. It works now.
That was the biggest upgrade for me. Crew worked in '10 for PS3, but the lag was very noticeable and the controls were loose. You had to release your shot early and people rarely took jumpers.. now the lag is hardly noticeable.

[Rake2204]

http://img208.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20101108/22/55541480201011082243463048132876625_000.jpg

if they have this version of Kobe it would be very nice.
You likely read, but '98 Kobe with the fro is included. And as always, he'll just be a few attribute adjustments away from becoming 2001 Kobe.

[L.Kizzle]

:sleeping

I'm completely confused. How is Iverson not in the game? So disrespectful, dude was their original cover athlete.
What if AI didn't want to be in the game (like his Sixers buddy Barkley.)

[DetroitPiston]

What I'm liking is how certain games will be as if they were televised. I like that 70s look they had on TV, like in the pic with West.

EDIT: If there was an option to have that for TV views like they do with camera angles, I'd be all for it, but this looks sick to begin with.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0817/vg_legends_7_576.jpg

[bdreason]

2K11 is a huge upgrade over 2K10, not sure what games you guys are playing.


If 2K12 even takes close to a similar step forward... the game is going to be amazing.

[HB40TheNextStar]

Passing isn't difficult in 2K11. Don't ****ing pass the ball when there's a defender in the passing lane. Common sense.

It's the first basketball game where angles matter. Angles of the passing, angle of the offensive player at the rim, how the defender is forcing you to go right or left... As I'm sure nearly everyone on this board has played basketball, at least in a competitive pick up setting, if not high school+, angles are kind of important.

My biggest gripe is missed layups. I would drive right to the rim and he would miss an uncontested layup. It was pretty frequent. That, or I found a hole, and instead of doing a quick and normal layup, the game made me do some fancy shit and it allowed the defense enough time to recover and block my layup.

Also had some trouble with man defense, but that was probably more on me. Namely staying in front of the defender. Although blocking was a bit easy. Too easy, perhaps.

I want 03 TMac. Anyhow, don't care too much about the legends stuff. I played around with the Jordan Challenge and it was definitely fun. Not much lasting appeal, imo. Continue to fix the mechanics of the game, greatly improve My Player (this goes for any sports game and their single use of a player mode: RTG, Superstar, etc), and fix you ****ing servers 2K. Gotdamnit.