Raptors in Eurobasket, Stats & Highlights

[Doko]

Since some guys were interested, I figured I'd open this thread to keep track of the stats and the highlights of the Raptors' players in Eurobasket this summer.
Below are the game played up to now, please notice that these are just test matches, and that the real tournament will begin on the 31st.
I'll update the first post with the new stuff when the upcoming games will take place.

EUROBASKET

ANDREA BARGNANI

vs Serbia (L 68-80, 0-1)
22 pts/9 reb/2 blk, 8/15 53,3 FG%, 6/6 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuN40gM2wA

vs Germany (L 62-76, 0-2)
8 pts/5 reb/2 blk, 3/14 21,4 FG%, 1/5 20 3FG%, 1/2 FT

vs Latvia (W 71-62, 1-2)
36pts/7reb/3 blk, 11/25 44 FG%, 2/4 50 3FG%, 12/15 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wYo85Q5KEQ

vs France (L 84-91, 1-3)
22 pts/5 reb/1 blk, 9/15 60 FG%, 1/4 25 3FG%, 3/3 FT
highlights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWwnSsvZc8

vs Israel (L 96-95, 1-4)
26 pts/11 reb/3 ast, 10/19 52,6 FG%, 3/7 42,9 3FG%, 3/4 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS5jxH3hmfE

JOSE CALDERON

vs Poland (W 83-78, 1-0)
0 pts/4 reb/2 ast, 0/2 FG%

vs Portugal (W 87-73, 2-0)
7 pts/1 reb/3 ast, 3/5 60 FG%, 1/2 50 3FG%

vs Great Britain (W 86-69, 3-0)
2 pts/2 reb/3 ast/2 stl, 1/4 25 FG%, 0/1 3FG

vs Lithuania (W 91-79, 4-0)
12 pts/4 reb/4 ast/2 stl, 4/11 36,4 FG%, 3/8 37,5 3FG%, 1/2 FT

vs Turkey (L 57-65, 4-1)
5 pts/3reb/1 ast/1 stl, 2/5 40 FG%, 1/4 25 3FG%

vs Germany (W 77-68, 5-1)
2 pts/4 reb, 1.6 16.7 FG%. 0/3 3FG

vs Serbia (W 84-59, 6-1)
8 pts/5 reb/3 ast/1 stl, 3/4 75 FG%, 2/2 100 3FG%

vs France (W 96-69, 7-1)
0 pts/5 ast/2 stl, 0/3 FG

vs Slovenia (W 86-64, QF)
9 pts/6 reb/3 ast/3 stl, 4/6 66,7 FG%, 1/2 50 3FG%

vs Macedonia (W 92-80, SF)
3 pts/2 reb/4 ast/1 stl, 1/3 33,3 FG%, 1/3 33,3 3FG%

vs France (W 98-85, F)
17 pts/4 reb/2 ast/4 stl, 8/12 66,7 FG%, 1/3 33,3 3FG%

JONAS VALANCIUNAS

vs Great Britain (W 80-69, 1-0)
0 pts/2 reb
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiQiZH79rQ

vs Poland (W 97-77, 2-0)
7 pts/2 reb/1 blk, 3/4 75 FG%, 1/1 FT

vs Turkey (W 75-68, 3-0)
DNP

vs Spain (L 79-91, 3-1)
13 pts/2 reb/3 ast/1 blk, 5/7 71,4 FG%, 3/5 FT
highlights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tX8mJ_el6c

vs Portugal (W 98-69, 4-1)
8 pts/7 reb/1 blk/3 stl, 2/4 50 FG%, 4/6 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCq7ZNwkLYc

vs Serbia (W 100-90, 5-1)
18 pts/5 reb/1 ast/2 blk, 8/9 88,9 FG%, 2/3 FT
highlights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiT4rqTD3pY

vs France (L 67-73, 5-2)
12 pts/3 reb/2 ast/1 blk, 5/7 71,4 FG%, 2/2 FT

vs Germany (W 84-75, 6-2)
15 pts/4 reb/2 blk, 6/10 60 FG%, 3/4 FT

vs Macedonia (L 65-67, QF)
3 pts/6 reb/2 blk, 1/3 33,3 FG%, 1/1 FT

vs Slovenia (W 80-77)
8 pts/6 reb/2 ast/1 blk, 3/5 60 FG%, 2/2 FT

vs Greece (W 73-69)
0 pts/4 reb/1 stl, 0/1 FG

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ANDREA BARGNANI

vs Russia (W 71-67)
23 pts, 7/15 2FG, 0/3 3FG
highlighst: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeTwgoYXMiU

vs Poland (W 88-72)
12 pts, 1/6 2FG, 3/3 3FG

vs Bosnia (L 57-58)
16 pts/8 reb, 4/8 2FG, 1/4 3FG, 5/6 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8r6L3gyLo

vs Poland (W 67-61)
20 pts/6 reb, 5/8 2FG, 1/3 3FG, 7/13 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPr9FCCxYvU

vs Greece (W 82-73)
28 pts/3 reb, 3/6 2FG, 5/7 3FG, 7/9 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOPDSY3LBk

vs Bulgaria (W 74-71)
19 pts/10 reb/2 ast, 7/13, 2/5 3FG

vs Brigham Young University (W 102-63)
17 pts/19 reb/2 blk, 7/12 2FG, 3/6 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8we-MMImOhs

vs Greece (W 81-80 2OT)
16 pts/11 reb
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q0FX4SJadw

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JOSE CALDERON

vs France (W 77-53)
3 pts/3 reb/2 ast, 0/1 2FG, 1/2 3FG

vs Lithuania (W 90-78)
4 pts/1 reb/4 ast, 1/2 2FG, 2/2 FT

vs Bulgaria (W 96-59)
6 pts/2 reb/2 ast, 0/1 2FG, 2/3 3FG

vs Lithuania (L 76-88)
2 pts/1 ast, 1/1 2FG, 0/2 3FG

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JONAS VALANCIUNAS

vs Czech Republic
26 pts/11 reb
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsmvHygGw4

vs Russia (L 76-91)
14 pts/7 reb, 5/6 2FG, 4/4 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stQqOhB98vw

vs Spain (L 78/90)
10 pts/3 reb/3blk
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpHwtIdSOE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpHwtIdSOE)

vs Spain (W 88-76)
11 pts/5 reb/2 blk, 3/5 2FG, 5/6 FT

vs Russia (L 80-88)
13 pts/16 reb, 5/8 2FG, 3/8 FT

vs Latvia (W 95-75)
5 pts/8 reb, 1/2 2FG, 3/4 FT

vs Slovenia (??)
7 pts/3 reb, 3/6 2FG, 1/1 FT
highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQsnGQhDE3M

[Chamberlain]

Thanks, Doko.

What's up with Calderons stats? Is he not getting much playing time because its just exhibition or what?

[Doko]

Thanks, Doko.

What's up with Calderons stats? Is he not getting much playing time because its just exhibition or what?

From what I've seen he's playing backup to Rubio. However, all the players of Spain are playing like 10-15 minutes per game, including the starters.
They probably just want to condition everyone on the roster before the tournament starts.

[Chamberlain]

I figured it was something like that. Spain is always such a deep team.

How has Rubio been playing? Just curious.

[Doko]

I figured it was something like that. Spain is always such a deep team.

How has Rubio been playing? Just curious.

Actually I've watched just one Spain game, but from what I've heard he's doing fairly well in limited minutes.
I'll definitely answer this better once Eurobasket starts and I see him in action against some real competition :)

[Chamberlain]

Awesome. Lots of good basketball this summer, I'll be watching a lot of the FIBA tournament, so any insight you can offer from the Eurobasket would be great.

[FCardelle]

Yes, there will be a lot of talent in the tournament.

Spain is favourite to win with a expected lineup of Calderon/Navarro/Rudy/Pau/Marc Gasol. Rubio and Ibaka from the bench (but big minutes for Ibaka of course).

[Chamberlain]

I really can't see how Spain doesn't win, they have by far the most talent in my opinion, but you just never know.

[DJMason]

I will say this, if the Raptors did a legit Euro push and somehow became team Spain that would be a hell of an NBA franchise. A front court of the Gasol brothers is Sedin twins dirty.

[Doko]

Updated with JoVal's latest statlines and Bargs' highlights vs Russia.

[Chamberlain]

Nice statlines for both.

When are they in action next?

[Doko]

Nice statlines for both.

When are they in action next?

Bargs vs Bulgaria on Tuesday.
Valanciunas on Wednesday vs Slovenia.

[Sakkreth]

Lithuania won vs Spain in second match.

[Jballer]

From what I've seen he's playing backup to Rubio. However, all the players of Spain are playing like 10-15 minutes per game, including the starters.

This is partially why I thought the rumors of Calderon to Minny after they signed Rubio were BS.

I can no longer find it - but I distinctly recall reading rumours or spanish press translations that basically state - bad blood between Calderon and Rubio. I goes back some time I believe. The two of them cant stand each other and might jeopardize the team chemistry....

If they are favored to win - no suprise given the talent - I will be curious to see how the Rubio /Calderon thing works out... whether this is just made up team chemistry bs from the press or whether it has some bite.

[bluerap]

This is partially why I thought the rumors of Calderon to Minny after they signed Rubio were BS.

I can no longer find it - but I distinctly recall reading rumours or spanish press translations that basically state - bad blood between Calderon and Rubio. I goes back some time I believe. The two of them cant stand each other and might jeopardize the team chemistry....

If they are favored to win - no suprise given the talent - I will be curious to see how the Rubio /Calderon thing works out... whether this is just made up team chemistry bs from the press or whether it has some bite.

Might have something to do with jose losing his starting job to an 18 year old.

But that didn't stop them from winning.

[FCardelle]

Might have something to do with jose losing his starting job to an 18 year old.

But that didn't stop them from winning.
Jose hasn't lost his starting job. He is better than Rubio. Marc Gasol or Ibaka can be the only doubt, but it seems that Marc will start the games.
Rubio (almost 21 years old) is all about potential right now. He hasn't played well this season. People think that his game can adapt well to the NBA though.

[bluerap]

Rubio was the starter at the last olympics.

[FCardelle]

Calderon injured himself during the tournament. Rubio and the third PG were playing badly, so Navarro played some minutes as PG.

[bluerap]

Calderon injured himself during the tournament.


theres a shocker

[Doko]

Added Bargnani's and Valanciunas' stats for today and yesterday games.

And yes, Calderon at the present time is way better than Rubio.

[Doko]

Added Bargnani's stats and highlights for the last 2 games. He averaged 13,3 rebounds per game in the tournament.
Lots of post ups and dunks too, but the competition (especially in the second game) wasn't the best (except for Greece).

[Doko]

Also highlights for Valanciunas vs Slovenia.

[bluerap]

22pts 9rb and 2blk for bargs in a loss to the serbs.

not sure which one started but jose calderon and ricky rubio seem equally useless for spain.

[FCardelle]

22pts 9rb and 2blk for bargs in a loss to the serbs.

not sure which one started but jose calderon and ricky rubio seem equally useless for spain.

That is because you know very little about basketball.

Calderon started and was fouled out. The five players that I had said started.

[bluerap]

well than i guess 0 pts 2 asst and 6 fouls in 12 min. is effective play.

[FCardelle]

well than i guess 0 pts 2 asst and 6 fouls in 12 min. is effective play.
4 rebounds and 1 steal.

Jose was always in foul trouble and never got into rhythm. That could be part of the reason why Spain had such a bad game. Rubio and Sada equally shared the time at PG, which means that Rubio is not a key player at all. Spain could win the championship without Pau (Marc/Ibaka is still the best interior duo), but they would be in deep trouble without Calderon. Sorry, I understand that most people in the forum is ignorant about European basketball. Just don't say nonsense statements, like "Caleron is useless to Spain".

[bluerap]

didn't they win the gold medal (or was it silver) when jose was injured?

[Doko]

Updated with the statlines and highlights of the first day.
Only 4 mins for JoVal, Spain looks good, Bargs keeps up with the good rebounding games.

[FCardelle]

didn't they win the gold medal (or was it silver) when jose was injured?
It was silver. And they won the World Championship in 2006 with Pau injured.

[kmart]

4 rebounds and 1 steal.

Jose was always in foul trouble and never got into rhythm. That could be part of the reason why Spain had such a bad game. Rubio and Sada equally shared the time at PG, which means that Rubio is not a key player at all. Spain could win the championship without Pau (Marc/Ibaka is still the best interior duo), but they would be in deep trouble without Calderon. Sorry, I understand that most people in the forum is ignorant about European basketball. Just don't say nonsense statements, like "Caleron is useless to Spain".

Jose hasn't been playing great for Spain for the entire summer (based on looking at the stats), so when does Jose actually show up and actually have a really good game? Spain has proven throughout the summer that they don't need Jose to contribute a lot in order to win.

Just so you don't make a "ignorance to European Basketball" comment: I will admit that Spain has the best frontcourt in the world outside of the USA.

[bluerap]

Jose hasn't been playing great for Spain for the entire summer (based on looking at the stats), so when does Jose actually show up and actually have a really good game? Spain has proven throughout the summer that they don't need Jose to contribute a lot in order to win.

Just so you don't make a "ignorance to European Basketball" comment: I will admit that Spain has the best frontcourt in the world outside of the USA.

what about italy :roll:

[kmart]

what about italy :roll:

3rd best?

[FCardelle]

Jose hasn't been playing great for Spain for the entire summer (based on looking at the stats), so when does Jose actually show up and actually have a really good game? Spain has proven throughout the summer that they don't need Jose to contribute a lot in order to win.

Just so you don't make a "ignorance to European Basketball" comment: I will admit that Spain has the best frontcourt in the world outside of the USA.
You are admitting that you are ignorant, because you don't watch European Basketball, you just look at the stats.

[bluerap]

I don't think it is complete ignorance.

Jose has hardly been playing at all. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the fact they were warmup games. But part of it is that Jose is not the player he used to be.

[Toni]

You are admitting that you are ignorant, because you don't watch European Basketball, you just look at the stats.

Well by looking at the stats, I can tell you that you are the ignorant one and Jose Calderon sucks at basketball :pimp:

[kmart]

You are admitting that you are ignorant, because you don't watch European Basketball, you just look at the stats.

Yeah aren't stats apart of basketball as well? I'd rather have someone post up good numbers rather than no numbers. If "European Basketball" needs Jose surely he would post up some good numbers, but he isn't. They stats aren't there so hes probably not running pick and roll or anything special for this Spain team, actually never mind because getting the ball to one of the Gasol brothers which is extremely hard to do. Considering hes not the most top notch defender and the stats aren't there I don't see him doing much for this team.

[FCardelle]

Calderon will always do what the team need, no matter the stats.
I think that Calderon is a very important players because.. well, I don't like Rubio running the team. That is the the only way I can see Spain not winning the championship.

[Doko]

Added stats and highlights for the 3rd day. Monster game for Bargs, Spain and Caldy keep the domination coming, DNP for JoVal.

[Chamberlain]

Haven't been paying much attention, why did Valanciunas not play?

[Dr.Funk]

Haven't been paying much attention, why did Valanciunas not play?


A boy playing men.

[Chamberlain]

So, coaches decision?

[bluerap]

I think it has to do more with loyalty to veteran players. They are not that strong in the front court and he had some very solid games when he was getting the minutes in the tourney warm-up.

[bluerap]

Calderon will always do what the team need, no matter the stats.
I think that Calderon is a very important players because.. well, I don't like Rubio running the team. That is the the only way I can see Spain not winning the championship.

I agree about Rubio running the team. His game seems to have regressed terribly.

[bluerap]

In other major action, Spain moved to 3-0 with a 86-69 win over Great Britain despite Raptors point guard Jose Calderon's continued struggles, notching two points and three assists.

Someone needs to tell this reporter that Jose isn't struggling, he is playing team basketball.:roll:

[FCardelle]

Someone needs to tell this reporter that Jose isn't struggling, he is playing team basketball.:roll:
He struggled against Poland. Portugal and Great Britain were easy games and he played just well enough IMO.
Anyway, he would be a very important player that is struggling. Not a useless player.

[bluerap]

Look.
The truth is I haven't seen any eurobasket games.
BUT I watched a lot of raptor ball and Jose has been "struggling" for about 3 years.

Where can i get a pair of those rose coloured glasses you've got on?

[Doko]

Stats and highlights for today posted. Italy eliminated despite Bargs having another really good game, Spain is unstoppable, Jonas got some playing time.

[FCardelle]

Valanciunas looked very promising. He is very good scoring near the basket, with several good moves and scoring after contact, he is hard to defend. He opened the Spanish defence off the bench when the game was like 30-12.
He commited a lot of turnovers in previous games, and he got 3 fouls in few minutes against Spain. Those things are logical in a young player.

[Doko]

End of the first round, Italy is eliminated.

These are Bargs' stats for the tournament:

22,8 ppg/7,4 rpg/1,6 blk, 46,6 FG%, 35 3FG%, 83,3 FT%

my question is... if this is more or less what he averages next season... would you be happy with that?

[Dr.Funk]

End of the first round, Italy is eliminated.

These are Bargs' stats for the tournament:

22,8 ppg/7,4 rpg/1,6 blk, 46,6 FG%, 35 3FG%, 83,3 FT%

my question is... if this is more or less what he averages next season... would you be happy with that?


Happier, but I still want better rebounding numbers.

[bluerap]

I would be happy with that. I would be happy if he can get 8reb and 1blk. But he also will have to rotate better which doesnt show up on a stat sheet.

But let's not get carried away. His stat line is good. But it is only a handful of games against lesser talent.

[DJMason]

Depending on the context of those stats in terms of his overall enthusiasm for the game (especially on defense), how much of the offense is run through him etc. I'd be okay with stats like that. Especially since it'd make trading him when Val comes through as our starting 5 much easier (assuming Davis also improves and becomes the starter-quality player I think he can be).

[Reef]

For me to be happy, he'd have to average at least 8 rebounds and over 50% FG.

[Jballer]

End of the first round, Italy is eliminated.

These are Bargs' stats for the tournament:

22,8 ppg/7,4 rpg/1,6 blk, 46,6 FG%, 35 3FG%, 83,3 FT%

my question is... if this is more or less what he averages next season... would you be happy with that?

This is frankly the million dollar question about the "next season" in Toronto. The expectations of Barges are perhaps completely unattainable after years of disappointment given he was the 1st overall draft pick. Fair or unfair as that comment is (I pass no judgement) I believe it to be the most basic truth.

BUT 8 rbs a game playing the 5 - if he can average 8 rbs a game in the NBA and not in international competion verses Portugul, and UK - as well as Spain, France and Germany - well that would go a long way to rebuilding his reputation here in Toronto and around the NBA generally.


Doko - do you have his stats verse Spain France Germany. The only reason I ask is cause he would have matched up verses Gasou, Noah and the Dirk or Kaman. These stats would be in my mind very interesting and revealling.

[Doko]

This is frankly the million dollar question about the "next season" in Toronto. The expectations of Barges are perhaps completely unattainable after years of disappointment given he was the 1st overall draft pick. Fair or unfair as that comment is (I pass no judgement) I believe it to be the most basic truth.

BUT 8 rbs a game playing the 5 - if he can average 8 rbs a game in the NBA and not in international competion verses Portugul, and UK - as well as Spain, France and Germany - well that would go a long way to rebuilding his reputation here in Toronto and around the NBA generally.


Doko - do you have his stats verse Spain France Germany. The only reason I ask is cause he would have matched up verses Gasou, Noah and the Dirk or Kaman. These stats would be in my mind very interesting and revealling.

You can check the fist post of this thread, there you'll find statlines and highlights for every game in eurobasket and test matches :)

[Jballer]

You can check the fist post of this thread, there you'll find statlines and highlights for every game in eurobasket and test matches :)

Sorry man didnt even look :facepalm

So assuming he played head to head verses Dirk and Kaman in the German game - and J Noah (Parker not so much) in the French game these are the stats I guess I personally would evaluate his tourney performance.

Moslty cause I follow the NBA game (admitedly I am missing a picture) and cause I know the competition he played against. I simply dont know enough to grade a British 5 or a Slovanian big man.


vs Germany (L 62-76, 0-2)
8 pts/5 reb/2 blk, 3/14 21,4 FG%, 1/5 20 3FG%, 1/2 FT

vs France (L 84-91, 1-3)
22 pts/5 reb/1 blk, 9/15 60 FG%, 1/4 25 3FG%, 3/3 FT


Avg
15 pts/5 reb/1.5 blk / 12/29 – 41.3 FG% - 2/9 22.2% 3FG 4/5 FT

Not so bad either. I am very happy about the 5 ribbys - but less happy that its not 7 or 8. Still not happy on the blks which speaks to rotational D....

...but Andreas has a chance to get help on his rotational D from the coaching staff and help on his rotational D from th coaching staff coaching other players...

We will see what happens when if NBA play resumes.

[Doko]

[QUOTE=Jballer]Sorry man didnt even look :facepalm

So assuming he played head to head verses Dirk and Kaman in the German game - and J Noah (Parker not so much) in the French game these are the stats I guess I personally would evaluate his tourney performance.

Moslty cause I follow the NBA game (admitedly I am missing a picture) and cause I know the competition he played against. I simply dont know enough to grade a British 5 or a Slovanian big man.


vs Germany (L 62-76, 0-2)
8 pts/5 reb/2 blk, 3/14 21,4 FG%, 1/5 20 3FG%, 1/2 FT

vs France (L 84-91, 1-3)
22 pts/5 reb/1 blk, 9/15 60 FG%, 1/4 25 3FG%, 3/3 FT


Avg
15 pts/5 reb/1.5 blk / 12/29

[Sakkreth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiT4rqTD3pY

Valanciunas highlights vs Serbia.

[FCardelle]

Impressive Valanciunas against Germany (Kaman). He has all-star potential.

[brwnman]

Valanciunas looked good from watching the highlights. He has an idea of what he wants to do on offense. And defensively, he played good man to man D. There was much help D aspect to it from the highlights, but man to man, he's a big lanky guy. Can definitely play the 5 from the looks of it. Seems to have really good hands for a big, and keeps the ball high when in the post. I'm going to start missing the NBA as soon as the blue jays season is over...

[Prodigy]

Hey thanks for keeping us updated on things. Appreciate it man.

[Doko]

Lithuania eliminated, Spain playing in the SF right now.

[bokes15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiT4rqTD3pY

Valanciunas highlights vs Serbia.
My favorite part about that video is towards the end Krstic proving that he's still a b*tch. Even in Europe.

[Doko]

Raptors final stats for the tournament:

Andrea Bargnani

22,8 ppg/7,4 rpg/1,6 blk, 46,6 FG%, 35 3FG%, 83,3 FT%

Jose Calderon

5,9 ppg/3,2 rpg/2,7 ast/1,6 stl, 44,3 FG%, 32,3 3FG%, 50 FT%

Jonas Valanciunas

8,4 ppg/4,1 rpg/1,1 blk, 66 FG%, 75 FT%

[FCardelle]

And Jose Calderon is a champion again. It is good to have in a team a player with experience winning top level tournaments.