Mike Fratello: European Basketball Is More Physical Than The NBA [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 02:08 AM

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 03:17 AM

So funny, how all the American NBA fans are trying to ignore this.

eliteballer

08-24-2011, 03:19 AM

Its funny how in spite of that, we're the Olympic and FIBA champions. Came into your house and took the rings:pimp:

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 03:27 AM

Its funny how in spite of that, we're the Olympic and FIBA champions. Came into your house and took the rings:pimp:

So funny, how even the FIBA refs admitted they rigged those tournaments................yeah hilarious.

AirTupac

08-24-2011, 03:46 AM

Can't wait to see Deron Williams average 50/10/10

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 04:01 AM

Can't wait to see Deron Williams average 50/10/10

If he was so good why did he sign to play in the second division level of Europe and not the top level division?

Vienceslav

08-24-2011, 04:09 AM

So funny, how even the FIBA refs admitted they rigged those tournaments................yeah hilarious.
Oh come on you can

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 04:24 AM

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]Oh come on you can

LJJ

08-24-2011, 04:51 AM

If he was so good why did he sign to play in the second division level of Europe and not the top level division?

Because money.

East_Stone_Ya

08-24-2011, 05:21 AM

Then how come FIBA's own ref said Spain would have won but the refs were instructed to help Team USA win?

:facepalm

qrich

08-24-2011, 05:22 AM

So funny, how all the American NBA fans are trying to ignore this.

So, when will I see Sofoklis dominate, since he is 10x the player Kaman (who is doing damn good right now with Germany) and Camby can ever dream of being.

So funny, how you will try to ignore that.

madmax

08-24-2011, 06:04 AM

NBA style of play was always geared towards iso's and fast court opportunities, therefore highlighting individual abilities of players. Euro tough grind-it-out half-court game is not to everyone's taste, but it's the classical style of basketball which is getting more and more forgotten. Players can pack the paint for as long as they want defensively and we can withness true zones as well (not pseudo half-zones of NBA)

JtotheIzzo

08-24-2011, 06:15 AM

its common sense, the European game is played below the rim, less airspace, therefore more contact.

Good job captain obvious!

In other news, American basketball players cut from NBA teams still win player of the week, month and year honors in top Euro leagues.

Maybe they were also too physical for the NBA?:D

DJ Leon Smith

08-24-2011, 06:18 AM

Can't we just agree that Euroball is more physical with less physically-imposing players, with the opposite being true for the NBA.

madmax

08-24-2011, 06:24 AM

Can't we just agree that Euroball is more physical with less physically-imposing players, with the opposite being true for the NBA.

not really...Top european teams on average have taller players than NBA ones and those dudes are actually allowed to display toughness defensively instead of a pansy league that NBA is nowadays. NBA players are faster and more athletic though

R.I.P.

08-24-2011, 07:35 AM

Well I don

Jon_Koncak

08-24-2011, 08:04 AM

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Well I don

creepingdeath

08-24-2011, 08:46 AM

Yeah, it is. So? NBA basketball > Euroleague

B-Easy8

08-24-2011, 10:33 AM

Yeah, it is. So? NBA basketball > Euroleague

Exactly right.

OP, why do you continue to post here if you hate the NBA so much?

I actually really enjoy watching FIBA basketball, honestly I like watching FIBA basketball more than a lot of the NBA teams because they play a much more team oriented game and are a lot more physical but I can definately admit that the NBA is a superior league.

catch24

08-24-2011, 11:03 AM

NCAA basketball is more physical/allows more contact than the NBA. What's your point?

Rnbizzle

08-24-2011, 11:08 AM

Can someone ban the OP..

Droid101

08-24-2011, 11:43 AM

So funny, how even the FIBA refs admitted they rigged those tournaments................yeah hilarious.
Ban please. This guys posts lies with no supporting sources.

Ban.

JellyBean

08-24-2011, 11:46 AM

Its funny how in spite of that, we're the Olympic and FIBA champions. Came into your house and took the rings:pimp:

:applause: Exactly.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:08 PM

Can't we just agree that Euroball is more physical with less physically-imposing players, with the opposite being true for the NBA.

Not unless we want to pass off fiction as fact. The average Euroleague player is bigger than the average NBA player. Stop posting this fantasy myth that the NBA has bigger players, when they actually are smaller.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:15 PM

No.you can call travelling when they actually travel.It's not like they were doing it on every possesion for gods sake.Did Usa get away with travelling on some occasions?Absolutely,but so did Spain with their moving screens,or their own travels that went uncalled.I mean look at the play at 6.58.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-MNf2RO5k&feature=related
Gasol pushed Howard,Reyes gets the rebound and travels,and gives it to Rudy for the open 3 point shot.Did you hear anyone cry about it? when Usa gets the benefit of the call it's apparently a conspiracy but on Spains case,it's just honest mistakes.I'm tired with this bs.

The FIBA head of Olympic group reffing stated that the technical fouls were awarded to the USA at the end of that gold medal game in order to ensure victory for the USA, per the orders of FIBA to the refs that they were told that Team USA must win the gold medal before the tournament began.

Whether you like it or not, this stands as a fact and puts a huge asterisk over the USA gold medal.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:16 PM

Exactly right.

OP, why do you continue to post here if you hate the NBA so much?

I actually really enjoy watching FIBA basketball, honestly I like watching FIBA basketball more than a lot of the NBA teams because they play a much more team oriented game and are a lot more physical but I can definately admit that the NBA is a superior league.

The Euroleague is not a FIBA league.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:17 PM

Ban please. This guys posts lies with no supporting sources.

Ban.

The source has been posted dozens of times in this forum. DOZENS OF TIMES. And every time someonel like you says it is a lie and asks for a ban of the person posting it.

Grow up.

chips93

08-24-2011, 06:18 PM

So funny, how even the FIBA refs admitted they rigged those tournaments................yeah hilarious.

:roll:

i literally lol'd

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:20 PM

literally loled

So you are saying the Olympic group lead ref lied about that when they said it in the media? Really?

Joey Zaza

08-24-2011, 06:20 PM

FIBA rulebook:

Rule 1. Nothing is a foul.
Rule 2. Everything is a travel.

GreatGreg

08-24-2011, 06:22 PM

Then how come FIBA's own ref said Spain would have won but the refs were instructed to help Team USA win?
Lol @ you for thinking Team USA needs help from the refs to win international tournaments. Even bigger lol @ you for posting something without a link. Even if you did, could that ref see the future? :roll:

You're so retarded, it ****ing hurts.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:25 PM

Lol @ you for thinking Team USA needs help from the refs to win international tournaments. Even bigger lol @ you for posting something without a link. Even if you did, could that ref see the future? :roll:

You're so retarded, it ****ing hurts.

I want the people denying this happened BANNED if I post the link.

I have given that link many times in this forum, and STILL all the Americans here pretend it never happened.

I'm not playing this game anymore.

I want all the people denying this banned if I post the link.

Grinder

08-24-2011, 06:28 PM

Lol @ you for thinking Team USA needs help from the refs to win international tournaments. Even bigger lol @ you for posting something without a link. Even if you did, could that ref see the future? :roll:

You're so retarded, it ****ing hurts.

It was some French female referee who didn't even officiate the final game that apparently said that. "She said":

"You don’t call the same things on the Americans than you do call on other teams. You have to call the most evident of the evident things. If you whistle a travel every time that Kobe Bryant starts a drive, you will get whistled, you as the referee … During the final, the Spanish team was penalized on the US travels. With the consequences that we know at the end with the two technical fouls on non-called traveling violations. This was embarrassing…"
http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/greece/x-mas-cigarettes-2/

There's no primary links to the quote and it's all from a quote posted by some dude on the ballineurope.com website, so 99% it isn't true. It's just an excuse for butthurt fans that can't admit the vast superiority of US basketball. :oldlol:

If she really said it, it would have caused way more of a media outrage.

chips93

08-24-2011, 06:28 PM

So you are saying the Olympic group lead ref lied about that when they said it in the media? Really?

im saying that i literally laughed out loud when you made another ridiculous claim, and again failed to provide a link. surely an olympic referee confessing that the tournament was in fact fixed, would stir up some noise on the internet. surely somebody, on some legitimate website would have written a piece on it?

GreatGreg

08-24-2011, 06:28 PM

I want the people denying this happened BANNED if I post the link.

I have given that link many times in this forum, and STILL all the Americans here pretend it never happened.

I'm not playing this game anymore.

I want all the people denying this banned if I post the link.
Again, could that ref see the future? Team USA didn't need the refs on their side to win the gold medal. :roll:

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:37 PM

The ref said it in the French newspaper. STOP LYING. You KNOW she said it. And she was the head of Olympic reffing for the group stage of the tournament.

Sorry, but no matter how much Americans pretend this did not happen, the fact remains that it DID happen. The fact that Americans keep denying it and trying to pretend it never happened is a clear proof of how much they do not care about fair play and sportive competition, but rather only care about being patriotic zealots.

Americans are still bitching about 1972 USA - Soviet Union game, which has never been admitted as a fix, or as a questionable call anywhere on the planet, except in the USA. They can't accept that they lost.

Meanwhile, the Spain - USA game is widely believed around the world to have been fixed and Americans act like this is imaginary. Do you have any grasp of how pathetic that is? Seriously. It's incredibly pathetic. It really is.

Droid101

08-24-2011, 06:38 PM

The ref said it in the French newspaper. STOP LYING. You KNOW she said it. And she was the head of Olympic reffing for the group stage of the tournament.
Link, or you're a pathetic, lying troll.

Please ban this moron if he won't post proof of his stupid, ridiculous claims.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:39 PM

im saying that i literally laughed out loud when you made another ridiculous claim, and again failed to provide a link. surely an olympic referee confessing that the tournament was in fact fixed, would stir up some noise on the internet. surely somebody, on some legitimate website would have written a piece on it?

In China and Europe it caused a huge stir idiot. The USA media blacked it out genius. Why the hell do you think so many Europeans are still complaining about it?

Did you actually think that US media was honest? How are those WMD searches going in Iraq? Oh wait.....................

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:42 PM

Link, or you're a pathetic, lying troll.

Please ban this moron if he won't post proof of his stupid, ridiculous claims.

Droid101 should be banned. Dozens of times the link has been given in this forum, and yet people like him still pretend to not know anything about it, to say it never happened, and to demand a ban for anyone bringing it up.

Fascism is anti-American.

Droid101

08-24-2011, 06:44 PM

Droid101 should be banned. Dozens of times the link has been given in this forum, and yet people like him still pretend to not know anything about it, to say it never happened, and to demand a ban for anyone bringing it up.

Fascism is anti-American.
I only demand bans for people who continually troll the forums with false information and never back up their claims with links, sources, or anything of substance, and who call anyone who disagrees with them racists, xenophobes, and idiots.

But, that's mainly you.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 06:45 PM

I only demand bans for people who continually troll the forums with false information and never back up their claims with links, sources, or anything of substance, and who call anyone who disagrees with them racists, xenophobes, and idiots.

But, that's mainly you.

You are the one trolling. Pretending that the Olympic group lead ref never said that and that it has never been brought up here.

Demanding a ban for me for mentioning it.

You are the one doing the trolling.

andgar923

08-24-2011, 06:45 PM

The NBA is softer than other leagues, this is a FACT and has been documented here dozens and dozens of times.

Having said that, this doesn't guarantee that US players will have a problem adjusting to the Euroleague's more physical style of play, why? because we just tend to be better players... PERIOD.

Their overall level of play is still inferior (not that we're THAT much better), but it'll be like an NBA player playing against top Divison 1 college schools.

I think the bigger adjustment for an American player is the 'style' of play. It isn't an iso league, there tends to be far more passing and team play than Americans are used too.

Now... in regards to physical play.

Physical play IS a factor and it WILL take some time for some American players to adjust too. But again, they're still just better so they can still get by. Physical play is much more of a factor when the competition is on par with each other. So if the NBA became more physical, it will be NBA players being physical with NBA players, and we'd see a statistical decline for offensive players all across the board.

It just seems as tho some people here try to diminish the effect physical play has on players, when it's a big factor.

chips93

08-24-2011, 08:16 PM

In China and Europe it caused a huge stir idiot. The USA media blacked it out genius. Why the hell do you think so many Europeans are still complaining about it?

Did you actually think that US media was honest? How are those WMD searches going in Iraq? Oh wait.....................

i live in europe so your us media paranoia is irrelevant. so why doesnt any european website have any documentation of this story?

LBJFTW

08-24-2011, 08:46 PM

You are the one trolling. Pretending that the Olympic group lead ref never said that and that it has never been brought up here.

Demanding a ban for me for mentioning it.

You are the one doing the trolling.

Since it's been posted DOZENS of times, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it and posting the link again right here then.

magnax1

08-24-2011, 09:15 PM

On the perimeter? Yeah, but inside, it's not even close.

eliteballer

08-24-2011, 09:20 PM

gengiskhan

08-24-2011, 09:25 PM

Just like I have been saying in this forum all along.

http://twitter.com/#!/ismailsenol/statuses/106028661882372098
http://twitter.com/#!/ismailsenol/statuses/106028801833705472

Mike Fratello: "It's a more physical game over here. NBA rules helped change the game that brought scoring up. This is a man's game over here."

Mike Fratello: "I'm very anxious to see the reaction from the NBA players that come over here. They'll be awakened to the style of bball."

Take a Bow Czar!!!

finally, some one got pair of testicles big enough to say it as it is.

Even after NBA changed it to completely sissy rules to benefit scoring, Kobe still cannot dominate the game fully & gets overshadowed by Lebron, Wade, Iverson, Durant easily.

So much for Jordan wannabe Copy Cryant in sissy era!

chips93

08-24-2011, 09:43 PM

Take a Bow Czar!!!

finally, some one got pair of testicles big enough to say it as it is.

Even after NBA changed it to completely sissy rules to benefit scoring, Kobe still cannot dominate the game fully & gets overshadowed by Lebron, Wade, Iverson, Durant easily.

So much for Jordan wannabe Copy Cryant in sissy era!

hmmmmm . . . well that was subtle

madmax

08-24-2011, 09:59 PM

Have you seen a game Pre 1996?

believe me, I'm old enough to have watched games from the 80's...NBA was always about iso ball and individual qualities of the players. Euro ball is completely different and it revolves arround setting millions of screens, picks and constant players movement off the ball. Current NBA game can't be much further from what you would call a "classical" style of play

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 11:17 PM

i live in europe so your us media paranoia is irrelevant. so why doesnt any european website have any documentation of this story?

It was in Spanish and French newspapers. Stop pretending that this is not well known, because it is.

Euroleague

08-24-2011, 11:18 PM

On the perimeter? Yeah, but inside, it's not even close.

Euroleague is a lot more physical inside than the NBA is. Many times players are being fouled (as in what is a foul in the NBA) around the basket, while shooting, or fighting for rebounds and there are no whistles. While it is rare that any well-known NBA player does not get a whistle if there is contact near the basket.

In the NBA, a guy like Dwight Howard complains about not getting enough free throws, when he would be getting less in Euroleague.

Sampsonsimpson

08-25-2011, 02:13 AM

Its true but I think it could work to an advantage for some players

Teanett

08-25-2011, 02:17 AM

not really...Top european teams on average have taller players than NBA ones and those dudes are actually allowed to display toughness defensively instead of a pansy league that NBA is nowadays. NBA players are faster and more athletic though

usa vs europe = roids vs eggs

bdreason

08-25-2011, 02:38 AM

Amazing how the "soft" Americans hold Gold Medals at every level of International competition in the entire World. There literally isn't a single International title/accolade that isn't currently in control of the USA. Complete World domination in the sport of Basketball... and last FIBA tournament we even sent our B-squad.

Simple Jack

08-25-2011, 04:25 AM

Can someone remind me why Euroleague didn't stop posting after USA ran through FIBA with their B team after constantly guaranteeing they wouldn't?

Euroleague

08-25-2011, 07:33 PM

Droid101

08-25-2011, 07:35 PM

The tournaments were rigged.
Proof or gtfo.

You can't say "There's no way this US team does anything!" then after they dominate, you change your tune to "It's all rigged you racist!"

Euroleague

08-25-2011, 07:38 PM

Proof or gtfo.

You can't say "There's no way this US team does anything!" then after they dominate, you change your tune to "It's all rigged you racist!"

Proof was already provided in this thread. If you continue to make such posts like that, I am just placing you on ignore.

Teanett

08-25-2011, 07:43 PM

Proof was already provided in this thread. If you continue to make such posts like that, I am just placing you on ignore.

please ignore me as well.

Euroleague

09-23-2011, 01:50 AM

Joakim Noah on the FIBA EuroBasket:

"The competition level is very high. In the NBA, the European game has a reputation of being less physical and soft. That is not true, it is more physical. There is more team play and the no defensive three seconds rule changes a lot of things. In the NBA, you know where the shots will come from. Here, they take shots from everywhere. The game is more intelligent. There is less space, you have to be in the right place at the right time."

Euroleague

09-23-2011, 01:52 AM

http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/international-basketball/eurobasket-2011/kaman-european-ball-more-physical-closer-atmosphere/

Chris Kaman is playing for the German national team for the second summer in his career at the 2011 EuroBasket, but the Los Angeles Clippers center is still getting used to the more physical and team-orientated European game and fans being closer and more involved in the action.