Pau Gasol Should've Been the Finals MVP in 2009-10

[GS1905]

Pau Gasol should've been the finals MVP for 2009-10 championship and I think anyone who's not a Kobe stan would think the same.

Gasol was the reason why they won that year. He averaged 20 points in the playoffs that year with high FG%. He was much more efficient than Kobe with his shot selection. He also helped his team with the lots of offensive rebounds that he grabbed. Plus he averaged around 11 rebounds in the playoffs.

Win Shares back up my statement too. That year Gasol had 4.3 WS (.224 WS/48) and Kobe had 3.6 WS (.190 WS/48). Gasol also lead the team in DS(1.1 to Kobe's 0.9) and OWS(3.2 to Kobe's 2.7).

It was Gasol's finals MVP not Kobe's.

[TheLogo]

No.

He was totally exposed this last year and proof that he was good because of playing alongside Kobe.

[Heavincent]

lol advanced stats.

Kobe 2010 finals stats: 29/8/4
Pau Gasol 2010 Finals stats: 19/11/4

Pau's FG% wasn't exactly great either (for a big man).

If you really think Pau deserved FMVP, you're just one of those people that try to disregard every one of Kobe's achievements.

Pau was way more of a sidekick in 2010 than Kobe was in 02.

[D-Wade316]

Once again, I completely agree with you GS1905.

[GS1905]

lol advanced stats.

Kobe 2010 finals stats: 29/8/4
Pau Gasol 2010 Finals stats: 19/11/4

Pau's FG% wasn't exactly great either (for a big man).

If you really think Pau deserved FMVP, you're just one of those people that try to disregard every one of Kobe's achievements.

Pau was way more of a sidekick in 2010 than Kobe was in 02.

Kobe in 2010 wasn't as dominant as '02 Shaq. Not even close. Kobe shot 6/24 in game 7 but Lakers still won. That doesn't surprise you?

[Heavincent]

Kobe in 2010 wasn't as dominant as '02 Shaq. Not even close. Kobe shot 6/24 in game 7 but Lakers still won. That doesn't surprise you?

Dirk shot poorly in game 7 too.

I never said he was as dominant as Shaq. What I mean is that Pau was way more of a sidekick than Kobe was in 02. Kobe was 1B, while Gasol is just B.

[Samurai Swoosh]

v.s. Thunder ... Lakers best player? Kobe. His defense on Westbrook won the series.

v.s. Jazz ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Suns ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Celtics ... Lakers best player? Could make a case for either, but Kobe being the best player for 3 of the 4 series, you have to give it to him.

[TheLogo]

v.s. Celtics ... Lakers best player? Could make a case for either, but Kobe being the best player for 3 of the 4 series, you have to give it to him.

There were already talks that Kobe was the MVP if the lakers lost that series. There was a huge discussion on here about it.

[Heavincent]

The Lakers wouldn't have gotten past the Suns if it wasn't for Kobe's heroics.

[GS1905]

Dirk shot poorly in game 7 too.

I never said he was as dominant as Shaq. What I mean is that Pau was way more of a sidekick than Kobe was in 02. Kobe was 1B, while Gasol is just B.

Dirk shot poorly in game 6. Plus he came back strong and closed out the game unlike Kobe who relied on others(mostly Gasol) to close the game. Also, Dirk didn't have any other games that he played bad during the finals unlike Kobe. It wasn't just game 7 that Kobe struggled against the Celtics in that series.

Even though I agree that Gasol was more of a sidekick that wasn't true in the finals. Gasol stepped up and carried Lakers on his back.

[GS1905]

v.s. Thunder ... Lakers best player? Kobe. His defense on Westbrook won the series.

v.s. Jazz ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Suns ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Celtics ... Lakers best player? Could make a case for either, but Kobe being the best player for 3 of the 4 series, you have to give it to him.

Doesn't really matter. Finals MVP means you only look at their finals performance.

[Heavincent]

Dirk shot poorly in game 6. Plus he came back strong and closed out the game unlike Kobe who relied on others(mostly Gasol) to close the game. Also, Dirk didn't have any other games that he played bad during the series unlike Kobe. It wasn't just game 7 that Kobe struggled against the Celtics in that series.

Even though I agree that Gasol was more of a sidekick that wasn't true in the finals. Gasol stepped up and carried Lakers on his back.

Yeah, that's I meant, game 6.

I'm pretty sure Kobe and Dirk had the same amount of points in the fourth quarter of the close out games. They both had 10 if I remember correctly.

And lol at saying Gasol carried the Lakers in the Finals.

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[get these NETS]

had he not blown it in the closeout game..Drexler could have gotten the mvp in the houston/orlando finals



but if woody had gone straight to police....this would never have happened

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if if if IF

[Samurai Swoosh]

There were already talks that Kobe was the MVP if the lakers lost that series. There was a huge discussion on here about it.
Yea but Gasol had 2 or 3 better games in the series. It's still a shame Kobe hasn't had any memorable "hallmark moment" type games in the Finals or for the duration of the series to put arguments like this to bed.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Doesn't really matter. Finals MVP means you only look at their finals performance.
Yea but like I said it was arguable even then. So the ultimate deciding factor for me is the rest of the performance in the playoffs.

[ShaqAttack3234]

v.s. Thunder ... Lakers best player? Kobe. His defense on Westbrook won the series.

v.s. Jazz ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Suns ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Celtics ... Lakers best player? Could make a case for either, but Kobe being the best player for 3 of the 4 series, you have to give it to him.

Disagree slightly. I have Kobe as the finals MVP and of course the playoff MVP, but I thought that Pau was the Lakers MVP vs OKC.

[Phong]

In which game in the Finals did Pau dominate anybody and carried the Lakers? I can for sure remember the Lakers losing one game when Big Baby started shitting on Pau. And he was nowhere to be found when the games where in Boston.

[LBJFTW]

Kinda of a moot point because if not for Kobe's heroic performance in the playoffs, even if Gasol did win Finals MVP everyone would know that the only reason he got it is because of Kobe getting him there in the first place.

[Samurai Swoosh]

but I thought that Pau was the Lakers MVP vs OKC.
Statistically sure, but the game evidence goes beyond that. It was a series up until game 4. And it was so close, it actually looked like the Thunder had the edge. Westbrook was the series BEST player when Fisher was guarding him. Kobe stuck him from game 4 on and the series was donesky. On the ball defense, not totally measure in statistics, upon viewing is what won that series. Easily in fact. My opinion, though.

[GS1905]

Game by game Stats:

Game 1
Kobe - 30 pts /7 rebs /6 ast /1 blk /1 stl /45% FG%/ played 39 mins
Gasol - 23 pts /14 rebs(8OR) /3 ast /3 blk /1 stl / 57% FG%/ played 47 mins

Winner: Gasol

Game 2
Kobe - 21pts/ 5rebs/ 6 ast/ 0 blk/ 4 stl/ 5 TO/ 40% FG%/ played 34 mins
Gasol - 25 pts/ 8rebs/ 3 ast/ 6 blk/ 1 stl/ 1 TO/ 70% FG%/ played 42 mins

Winner: Gasol

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You can look at the rest of the stats here : http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/celtics-lakers

For me Gasol wins : Game 1, Game 2, Game 6, Game 7 and Kobe wins the rest even though Game 4 is more like a tie.

I'd give the finals MVP to Gasol for playing the way he did in game 6 and game 7.

Gasol had 17/13/9 in game 6 and 19/18(9 OR)/4 in game 7.

[LBJFTW]

In which game in the Finals did Pau dominate anybody and carried the Lakers? I can for sure remember the Lakers losing one game when Big Baby started shitting on Pau. And he was nowhere to be found when the games where in Boston.

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[rodman91]

Gasol was the main reason they won series but Kobe deserved that FMVP with better stats.

[amfirst]

Debating with Wade's d1ck riders is pointless. Moving on...

[Ronaldinho]

lol advanced stats.

Kobe 2010 finals stats: 29/8/4
Pau Gasol 2010 Finals stats: 19/11/4

Pau's FG% wasn't exactly great either (for a big man).

If you really think Pau deserved FMVP, you're just one of those people that try to disregard every one of Kobe's achievements.

Pau was way more of a sidekick in 2010 than Kobe was in 02.
Exactly.You look at the stats and back it up Kobe.You look at the games and you clearly sees who the FMVP was.

It isnt arguably.

The guard with 30 points and almost 10 rebounds, double double.Or the BIG man with 20 points and 11 rebounds, please....

[GS1905]

Debating with Wade's d1ck riders is pointless. Moving on...

Not a Wade fan at all.. I actually hate the Heat right now.

[G.O.A.T]

Pau Gasol should've been the finals MVP for 2009-10 championship and I think anyone who's not a Kobe stan would think the same.


Not a Kobe fan at all, think he deserved it much more than Gasol.

[Vienceslav]

FMVP does not work that way.
The player labeled as leader or franchise on the winning team gets it.
This is probably has the same case as Jason Terry winning it over Dirk this year.
It

[GS1905]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]FMVP does not work that way.
The player labeled as leader or franchise on the winning team gets it.
This is probably has the same case as Jason Terry winning it over Dirk this year.
It

[Miller for 3]

dam bro ur trolling is going HAM this week. keep it up, u might earn a spot in the troll HOF

[Flamboyant]

Hakeem overrated, Duncan overrated, Kobe overrated, what the **** is wrong with this salatasaray dude?

[brownmamba00]

Hakeem overrated, Duncan overrated, Kobe overrated, what the **** is wrong with this salatasaray dude?
fukk you and your game fixing team fakkit

[GS1905]

What?

[BlackJoker23]

ITT op a ******* inbred

[SunsCaptain]

Kobe shot 40.5 % FG in the finals.......


FAIL CHUCKER :facepalm

Kobe shot 6-24 (25% FG ) in the final game of the series

FAIL CHUCKER :facepalm

talk about being carried

he also shot a game of 34% FG :facepalm

Kobe has been carried his whole career especially in the finals.... In-fact he lost two finals singlehandedly for the Lakers...

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

He chucked the Lakers into defeat in 04' and 08'

Lakers backs must hurt...

[LBJDWADE63]

Hakeem overrated, Duncan overrated, Kobe overrated, what the **** is wrong with this salatasaray dude?

Ne diyon lan sen gavat sikeci pezevenk kendi takimina bak once. top

[Flamboyant]

fukk you and your game fixing team fakkit

yep, fukk em' :banana:


Ne diyon lan sen gavat sikeci pezevenk kendi takimina bak once. top

Yaş ka

[LBJDWADE63]

[QUOTE=Flamboyant]yep, fukk em' :banana:



Yaş ka

[pauk]

Finals MVP = who averaged the best numbers in 4-7 games in the Winning team...

so i wouldnt worry about it to much

[Round Mound]

They deserved to both be the MVPs. The Margin of level for both that year was close to =

[tpols]

Finals MVP = who averaged the best numbers in 4-7 games in the Winning team...

so i wouldnt worry about it to much
Future excuses being made for when Wade wins the FMVP huh?:roll:

Keep um comin

[RRR3]

Future excuses being made for when Wade wins the FMVP huh?:roll:

Keep um comin
As long as the Heat win, Pauk will be happy. LBJ could average 1 point a game and Pauk would be arguing he "sacrificed his scoring for the great good".

[All Net]

Another agenda thread If I ever saw one....

Pau was great and Lakers won thats all that counts. Pau getting back to that level is all I care about when the season starts.

[Bone Machine]

Win Shares back up my statement too. That year Gasol had 4.3 WS (.224 WS/48) and Kobe had 3.6 WS (.190 WS/48). Gasol also lead the team in DS(1.1 to Kobe's 0.9) and OWS(3.2 to Kobe's 2.7).


Never take these numbers seriously...

[RobertdeMeijer]

I was honestly surprised that Kobe still won the finals mvp for this reason:

During half time the Lakers were behind and Kobe had been shooting horribly (everybody was, but Kobe was just :banghead: )

The second half he took less shots, and the Lakers made an amazing comeback. It was like the whole series hinged on Kobe's ability to step out of the spotlight.

It felt really strange for me, to see the guy who almost destroyed it all for having too much faith in himself, receive the mvp trophy.


But honestly, Pau wasn't playing that excellent either. Everybody was playing bad : P

Erm, here are some details:
Game 7: http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300617013&period=1
Game 1: http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300603013

[KingLeBronJames]

Scottie Pippen should've gotten Finals MVP from 96-98. Mike had bad Finals performances during the 2nd 3peat.

[Big#50]

Another agenda thread If I ever saw one....

Pau was great and Lakers won thats all that counts. Pau getting back to that level is all I care about when the season starts.
Hope so. I think he wont recover though. He seems really fragile. Kobe is only getting older and slower. He becomes more of a liability defensively next season if there is one. I believe this Lakers team is done winning rings. Excited to see how they respond though.

[Jacks3]

I was honestly surprised that Kobe still won the finals mvp for this reason:
:oldlol:

Before Game 7 everybody had him as MVP even if the Lakers lost. Now, there's all this revisionist history based on 1 game where Pau also played like shit. :oldlol:



The second half he took less shots, and the Lakers made an amazing comeback. It was like the whole series hinged on Kobe's ability to step out of the spotlight.
Step out of the spot-light? 23/15/3/2 with 15 FTA is stepping out?

Did you miss the 4th quarter? 10 pts/61% TS and big play after big play.

lol @ stepping out of the spot-light. :roll:


It felt really strange for me, to see the guy who almost destroyed it all for having too much faith in himself, receive the mvp trophy.
Hmm. Yeaa, it's strange to see the guy who was easily the best player for the entire series receive it. 29/8/4/2/1/53% TS/26 PER. Shocking.

:roll:

[Nero Tulip]

Of course Gasol should've been MVP.

Bryant could've been the MVP if the Celtics won though, because in all honesty the Lakers were much better when he was not on the court. He got utterly exposed and I don't understand how people who watched these games can still think he's good.

Kobe is a regular season star, but at the highest level he's a liability.

[RazorBaLade]

newsflash: kobe shooting 3s alone brings his efficiency closer to gasol and absolutely destroys the argument because the numbers are better by kobe anyways but when you realize the true efficiency its just not that close.

[Simple Jack]

v.s. Thunder ... Lakers best player? Kobe. His defense on Westbrook won the series.

v.s. Jazz ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Suns ... Lakers best player? Kobe. Easily. No justification needed.

v.s. Celtics ... Lakers best player? Could make a case for either, but Kobe being the best player for 3 of the 4 series, you have to give it to him.

Gasol was the best player in the Thunder series. The other ones were clearly Kobe though IMO.

[RobertdeMeijer]

:oldlol:

Before Game 7 everybody had him as MVP even if the Lakers lost. Now, there's all this revisionist history based on 1 game where Pau also played like shit. :oldlol:



Step out of the spot-light? 23/15/3/2 with 15 FTA is stepping out?

Did you miss the 4th quarter? 10 pts/61% TS and big play after big play.

lol @ stepping out of the spot-light. :roll:


Hmm. Yeaa, it's strange to see the guy who was easily the best player for the entire series receive it. 29/8/4/2/1/53% TS/26 PER. Shocking.

:roll:

Those are some interesting statistics. I guess my memory is warped, because I remember seeing Kobe missing alot of shots (and Fisher and Artest making big shots) more than him making ten crucial points in the fourth quarter. Ugh, I watched the game way past my bedtime (EU timezone) :hammerhead:

Which site provides true shooting percentage for playoff series, I could use that. Thanks for the heads up!

[Samurai Swoosh]

Scottie Pippen should've gotten Finals MVP from 96-98. Mike had bad Finals performances during the 2nd 3peat.
1996? Rodman
1997? Easily Jordan
1998? REALLY Easily Jordan.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Pippen played injured through the whole 1997 playoffs, and the 1998 NBA Finals

[Unstoppabull]

Even haters know deep down that the Lakers is still Kobe's team :lol
He is definitely better than Gasol.
Ban this moron already

[Axe]

Interesting.

[BigKobeFan]

2011

[Ne 1]

No, Kobe rightfully won. Gasol played well in L.A., but was awful on the road that series and clearly got outplayed by KG in Boston. I also recall a game we lost where Big Baby Davis was shitting on Pau.

Kobe haters just harp on his FG% in Game 7 as if it’s the end all thing but forgot Kobe's brilliance through 6 games--30/6/5/2/56% TS.

Not to mention how clutch Kobe was in that Game 7 in the 4th quarter: 10 pts/61% TS/4 Reb/2 Ast. Had a hand in nearly every single point by the Lakers in the last 7-8 minutes. Hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards as a guard, played great D and hit a jumper with 3 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics struggled to get back in the game after he hit that shot. The truth is nobody on either team had a particularly good shooting performance during that game for their position. It was a great defensive battle, and the reason we won in the end was because of the team play, rebounding, and clutch plays.

[SouBeachTalents]

No, Kobe rightfully won. Gasol played well in L.A., but was awful on the road that series and clearly got outplayed by KG in Boston.

Kobe haters just harp on his FG% in Game 7 as if it’s the end all thing but forgot Kobe's brilliance through 6 games--30/6/5/2/56% TS.

Not to mention how clutch he was in that Game 7 in the 4th quarter: 10 pts/61% TS/4 Reb/2 Ast. Had a hand in nearly every single point by the Lakers in the last 7-8 minutes. Hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards as a guard, played great D and hit a jumper with 3 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics struggled to get back in the game after he hit that shot. The truth is nobody on either team had a particularly good shooting performance during that game for their position. It was a great defensive battle, and the reason we won in the end was because of the team play, rebounding, and clutch plays.
He hit a jumper to put them up 4 with 5:20 left, and the Celtics were still in the game until the final seconds. I usually don't nitpick stuff like that, but I was amazed how you got every detail of that wrong :lol

[Ne 1]

Here’s what the Celtics coaches had to say regarding Game 7: "Despite Kobe struggling shooting the ball, he was instrumental on the glass in a low-scoring game where every possession was key and held Ray to 3 for 14 shooting" - Doc Rivers

"I thought in Game 7 [of the 2010 NBA Finals], what gets lost on people, Boston was badly out rebounded, and he [Kobe Bryant] didn't have a particularly good shooting night, but he had a great rebounding night and that probably was the difference of the game." - Tom Thibodeau

[Axe]

Don't forget that boston was outrebounded after kendrick perkins was sidelined for the rest of the series in game 6.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

He was putting up 20/11 with 2 blocks. The triangle offense and Phil pretty much turned him into prime Tim Duncan

[HunterSThompson]

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[TheGoatest]

This was easily Pau's award.

Kobe averaged 27.0 points on 23.5 shots and 32.9% shooting in the Lakers' 4 wins of the series.

[HunterSThompson]

This was easily Pau's award.

Kobe averaged 27.0 points on 23.5 shots and 32.9% shooting in the Lakers' 4 wins of the series.


reminds me of lebron in the 2007, 2013 and 2015 finals from outside of 2 feet

[ImKobe]

This was easily Pau's award.

Kobe averaged 27.0 points on 23.5 shots and 32.9% shooting in the Lakers' 4 wins of the series.

No it's not. Pau Gasol got them down 2 - 3 in the series by averaging 15 ppg on 44%FG on the road.. They could have won all 3 road games and the series in 5 if he just played on an All-Star level. He was completely pathetic. Kobe averaged 33 ppg on the road and shot 39% from 3 on 9 3PA per game in that stretch. Gasol almost cost us another championship.

Kobe vs Celtics 2010 Finals - 28.6 ppg 52.8%TS
Lebron vs Spurs 2013 Finals - 25.3 ppg 52.9%TS

[warriorfan]

I clearly remember that game 7 and Kobe played a great game. It was a gritty and tight game on both sides. A big turning point is when Kobe started to sag off rondo to bait him to shoot and when rondo wouldn’t Kobe was all over the place on help defense. Kobe had key plays down the stretch to seal it as well. Box score watchers literally know nothing about basketball. It’s embarrassing. Reading posts from bron stans is hilarious, they have the same amount of basketball knowledge as us when we were 7 years old and reading off career totals from the back of basketball cards.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

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Did Kobe even love the game or just played it because he's tall, black and good at it?

Jordan owned a franchise and was a general manger and stayed around the game

LeBron says he plans on owning a franchise

We never heard from Kobe. Fell off the face of the earth (and fell off a plane but that's another story). He never cared about basketball as soon as he was retired. The only time we heard from is that 1 game when he said some stupid spanish crap to luka. He's a piece of shit. World and the game is better off without him.

[ImKobe]

I clearly remember that game 7 and Kobe played a great game. It was a gritty and tight game on both sides. A big turning point is when Kobe started to sag off rondo to bait him to shoot and when rondo wouldn’t Kobe was all over the place on help defense. Kobe had key plays down the stretch to seal it as well. Box score watchers literally know nothing about basketball. It’s embarrassing. Reading posts from bron stans is hilarious, they have the same amount of basketball knowledge as us when we were 7 years old and reading off career totals from the back of basketball cards.

And if you want to just go by the box score, Kobe was more efficient in the 4th quarter of Game 7 (10 points 62.8%TS) than Lebron in the 4th quarter of the 2016 Finals Game 7 (11 points 53.9%TS). Kobe had a terrible start on offense and adjusted and it won them the game. It wasn't just the defense, it was him not settling for jump shots and attacking the basket and the glass and he was smart enough to pass out of the double that led to the Artest dagger. He doesn't get enough credit for creating clutch plays for his teammates in big Playoff situations.

[ImKobe]

Did Kobe even love the game or just played it because he's tall, black and good at it?

Jordan owned a franchise and was a general manger and stayed around the game

LeBron says he plans on owning a franchise

We never heard from Kobe. Fell off the face of the earth (and fell off a plane but that's another story). He never cared about basketball as soon as he was retired. The only time we heard from is that 1 game when he said some stupid spanish crap to luka. He's a piece of shit. World and the game is better off without him.

Only a loser would come up with a post like this. Pathetic.

[TheGoatest]

reminds me of lebron in the 2007, 2013 and 2015 finals from outside of 2 feet

So mad. :oldlol:
Brining up LeBron in a thread that has nothing to do with him in an attempt to disprove Gasol's rightful Finals MVP award.

[TheGoatest]

No it's not. Pau Gasol got them down 2 - 3 in the series by averaging 15 ppg on 44%FG on the road.. They could have won all 3 road games and the series in 5 if he just played on an All-Star level. He was completely pathetic. Kobe averaged 33 ppg on the road and shot 39% from 3 on 9 3PA per game in that stretch. Gasol almost cost us another championship.

Kobe vs Celtics 2010 Finals - 28.6 ppg 52.8%TS
Lebron vs Spurs 2013 Finals - 25.3 ppg 52.9%TS

Again, so mad posting about LeBron with a probable alt.
And LMAO @ bringing up the road in a series where this took place:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xkZ3vcZKE

In addition to game 7, this game was another turd Kobe shat out that series.

[Spurs m8]

Interesting.

It really isn't interesting, though, mate.

[Axe]

It really isn't interesting, though, mate.
For you nope because you're a casual?

[expansionera]

No Gasol, Lakers lose it all. Metta and Gasol played way better defense and provided just as much scoring Game 7 on half as many shots, Gasol led Kobe in assist which is remarkable.

There is a reason no one takes Kobe seriously in GOAT discussions

[ImKobe]

No Gasol, Lakers lose it all. Metta and Gasol played way better defense and provided just as much scoring Game 7 on half as many shots, Gasol led Kobe in assist which is remarkable.

There is a reason no one takes Kobe seriously in GOAT discussions

What team wins it all without their 2nd best player? Maybe the 90s Bulls in 4 of those 6 runs and some of the teams in today's era due to the cap but it's not a long list. Kobe led the team in assists and was 2nd overall in rebounding (more rebounds than KG) and averaged 10 more ppg than Gasol and had the best DRTG out of all the starters in that series, so the FMVP argument ends there. The pressure Kobe put on the opposing defense is more valuable than anything Gasol did as a scorer. He had easier looks because they were forcing the ball out of Kobe's hands all the time and he still found ways to get 20-30 shots up with the ball movement their team had and he had to take a bunch of bad shots to bail out that offense because him & Gasol were the only 2 consistent scorers on the team. Ron was a massive downgrade from what Ariza did offensively the previous year as well. Bynum had missed the last month of the RS and was barely giving them anything offensively apart from Game 2, where he had 21 but we lost because Ray Allen made 7 threes in the 1st half and Rondo scored 10 in the 4th to put it away.

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What team wins it all without their 2nd best player? Maybe the 90s Bulls in 4 of those 6 runs and some of the teams in today's era due to the cap but it's not a long list. Kobe led the team in assists and was 2nd overall in rebounding (more rebounds than KG) and averaged 10 more ppg than Gasol and had the best DRTG out of all the starters in that series, so the FMVP argument ends there. The pressure Kobe put on the opposing defense is more valuable than anything Gasol did as a scorer. He had easier looks because they were forcing the ball out of Kobe's hands all the time and he still found ways to get 20-30 shots up with the ball movement their team had and he had to take a bunch of bad shots to bail out that offense because him & Gasol were the only 2 consistent scorers on the team. Ron was a massive downgrade from what Ariza did offensively the previous year as well. Bynum had missed the last month of the RS and was barely giving them anything offensively apart from Game 2, where he had 21 but we lost because Ray Allen made 7 threes in the 1st half and Rondo scored 10 in the 4th to put it away.

90’s Bulls won it all as a result of Pippen (1-9), 2010s Lakers won in spite of Kobe doing his best to lose the series in the most pivotal moment. His punishment for chucking 25% (worst ever in game 7 for an offensive superstar)? FMVP

[SouBeachTalents]

I clearly remember that game 7 and Kobe played a great game. It was a gritty and tight game on both sides. A big turning point is when Kobe started to sag off rondo to bait him to shoot and when rondo wouldn’t Kobe was all over the place on help defense. Kobe had key plays down the stretch to seal it as well. Box score watchers literally know nothing about basketball. It’s embarrassing. Reading posts from bron stans is hilarious, they have the same amount of basketball knowledge as us when we were 7 years old and reading off career totals from the back of basketball cards.
:lol

Pretty ironic post though coming from the guy who says Bosh in 2010 was better than Kobe based strictly off PER

[Gohan]

:lol

Pretty ironic post though coming from the guy who says Bosh in 2010 was better than Kobe based strictly off PER

Did he lie though? He shot bad but other than that he was doing everything

[SouBeachTalents]

Did he lie though? He shot bad but other than that he was doing everything
Yes, he lied when he said Kobe had a great game. Magic's Game 6 his rookie year was a great game, Giannis' 50 spot to clinch the title was a great game. To include Kobe's Game 7 in that category is not only completely redefining the term, it's an insult to other great games.

[warriorfan]

Yes, he lied when he said Kobe had a great game. Magic's Game 6 his rookie year was a great game, Giannis' 50 spot to clinch the title was a great game. To include Kobe's Game 7 in that category is not only completely redefining the term, it's an insult to other great games.

You are a f.ucking f.aggot

[Ne 1]

I clearly remember that game 7 and Kobe played a great game. It was a gritty and tight game on both sides. A big turning point is when Kobe started to sag off rondo to bait him to shoot and when rondo wouldn’t Kobe was all over the place on help defense. Kobe had key plays down the stretch to seal it as well. Box score watchers literally know nothing about basketball. It’s embarrassing. Reading posts from bron stans is hilarious, they have the same amount of basketball knowledge as us when we were 7 years old and reading off career totals from the back of basketball cards.

Kobe actually limited Rondo big time that series. Lot of people were proclaiming him to be the best PG in the game prior to that series. Other than 1 game, he never went off. The 1 game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.


Kobe disrupted probably the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo was the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless, his overall stats for that series are easily the best. I don't think people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds when their job is to stay up top more to protect the break while the bigs are crashing the boards more.

[Axe]

I like phil jackson and #24 kobe but there's no way the lakers would have won the finals 12 years ago if the Cs didn't lose kendrick perkins to injury. Anyway i'm really going to start reading the last season book soon lol.

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I like phil jackson and #24 kobe but there's no way the lakers would have won the finals 12 years ago if the Cs didn't lose kendrick perkins to injury. Anyway i'm really going to start reading the last season book soon lol.

It’s a great read, got it as a gift on Audible and would be inclined to send it to you as well for free if you’d like, really exposes Kobe’s selfishness from Phil Jackson’s perspective and how it cost them the championship that year.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Pau Gasol should've been the finals MVP for 2009-10 championship and I think anyone who's not a Kobe stan would think the same.

Gasol was the reason why they won that year. He averaged 20 points in the playoffs that year with high FG%. He was much more efficient than Kobe with his shot selection. He also helped his team with the lots of offensive rebounds that he grabbed. Plus he averaged around 11 rebounds in the playoffs.

Win Shares back up my statement too. That year Gasol had 4.3 WS (.224 WS/48) and Kobe had 3.6 WS (.190 WS/48). Gasol also lead the team in DS(1.1 to Kobe's 0.9) and OWS(3.2 to Kobe's 2.7).

It was Gasol's finals MVP not Kobe's.
What player is going to win Finals MVP averaging 18 and 11 those would be one of the worst numbers for a winner. It is interesting how Steph Curry had one bad game and lost Finals MVP to Durant but Gasol can have multiple bad games and people still think he is MVP. It is just the crazy Kobe hate why people even bring this up.

[Axe]

What player is going to win Finals MVP averaging 18 and 11 those would be one of the worst numbers for a winner. It is interesting how Steph Curry had one bad game and lost Finals MVP to Durant but Gasol can have multiple bad games and people still think he is MVP. It is just the crazy Kobe hate why people even bring this up.
You don't think gasol produced any significant impact that made it possible for kobe to garner his fifth ring? Rofl.

[HunterSThompson]

kobe basically averages 19ppg (minus the 2 point ankle injury game) and plays amazing defense and carries the team for one game in the finals and he's a bum


gasol does it in 2010 and he's the finals mvp


and both had really low fg%. gasol for the 4 wins averaged like 44%. for a 7 footer that's horrible

[1987_Lakers]

IDK about Finals MVP but Gasol was our MVP in that game 7 while Kobe was doing everything in his power to throw the game.

[TheCorporation]

IDK about Finals MVP but Gasol was our MVP in that game 7 while Kobe was doing everything in his power to throw the game.

+1

GmScore has them close. Flip a coin

2010 Finals GameScore

Kobe = 18.7
Gaosl = 18.6

Flip a coin for FMVP. Game 7 probably shoulda sealed it for Pau.

[John_Connor]

IDK about Finals MVP but Gasol was our MVP in that game 7 while Kobe was doing everything in his power to throw the game.

maybe for the first 3 quarters. but time and time again hunter reminded you of how the last 15 minutes went with kobe basically having a hand in almost every single play on both ends to finish out the game

hunter also provided you with a quote from rajon rondo basically saying kobe won them game 7 at the end.

why do you never listen to hunter

hes so f*cking smart it hurts me to even try and fathom how anyone can question his intellect


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[John_Connor]

+1

GmScore has them close. Flip a coin

2010 Finals GameScore

Kobe = 18.7
Gaosl = 18.6

Flip a coin for FMVP. Game 7 probably shoulda sealed it for Pau.

what about over the last 15 minutes. what's his Google score there analicktic guy

I bet his viper was high and his war shares

[tpols]

Imagine thinking an 18/10 player deserves MVP over a 30/5/5 player who drew all the attention. May as well give Horace Grant or pippen FMVP over MJ.

People use game 7 as an excuse but even there Pau shot like shit in that game too. Phil Jackson is on record saying Ron artest was the Lakers MVP in game 7. And his title sealing shot was a dime by Kobe who was being double teamed 30 feet from the hoop.

[3ba11]

I was going to respond and but then I read the last 2 posts and realized OP is getting ragdolled already

[1987_Lakers]

maybe for the first 3 quarters.

Nope it was the full game.

4Q - Kobe: 10 points on 1-4 shooting
4Q - Gasol: 9 points on 2-3 shooting to go along with 6 rebounds (3 offensive boards), 2 assists & a block.

[Hey Yo]

:lol

Pretty ironic post though coming from the guy who says Bosh in 2010 was better than Kobe based strictly off PER

Got him

[Hey Yo]

Kobe actually limited Rondo big time that series. Lot of people were proclaiming him to be the best PG in the game prior to that series. Other than 1 game, he never went off. The 1 game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.


Kobe disrupted probably the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo was the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless, his overall stats for that series are easily the best. I don't think people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds when their job is to stay up top more to protect the break while the bigs are crashing the boards more.

Rondo was definitely not labeled best PG in the league in 2010.

[Axe]

kobe basically averages 19ppg (minus the 2 point ankle injury game) and plays amazing defense and carries the team for one game in the finals and he's a bum


gasol does it in 2010 and he's the finals mvp


and both had really low fg%. gasol for the 4 wins averaged like 44%. for a 7 footer that's horrible
Kenny banned yet again :'/

[Rysio]

Nah kobe was the most consistent laker in the series just cause he had bad game 7 doesn't mean he wasn't mvp. Through 6 games there was no discussion so I don't see how 1 game could change that where gasol didn't really have much better game than kobe.

[John_Connor]

Nope it was the full game.

4Q - Kobe: 10 points on 1-4 shooting
4Q - Gasol: 9 points on 2-3 shooting to go along with 6 rebounds (3 offensive boards), 2 assists & a block.


the fact that you erased kobes 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th rebounds, AND 3 assists (should be 5 if you could odom and gasols points off his pass) proves you're a shook ass b*tch


rondo was on the floor. you were in your parents basement. i'm gonna go with rondo's opinion

[TheGoatest]

Gasol's 9 offensive rebounds in the gritty game 7 was the reason the Lakers won.
He grabbed more offensive rebounds in game 7 than the entire Celtics team. :D

He put up an impressive statline you couldn't point a single negative thing about, despite being defended by Kevin Garnett.

It was obvious that he was the Finals MVP, but it was also obvious that they were never going to give it to him.

[Axe]

Gasol's 9 offensive rebounds in the gritty game 7 was the reason the Lakers won.
He grabbed more offensive rebounds in game 7 than the entire Celtics team. :D

He put up an impressive statline you couldn't point a single negative thing about, despite being defended by Kevin Garnett.

It was obvious that he was the Finals MVP, but it was also obvious that they were never going to give it to him.
Hey, mind if you still have the audibles for the last season? I might be interested. Tia.

[ImKobe]

Nope it was the full game.

4Q - Kobe: 10 points on 1-4 shooting
4Q - Gasol: 9 points on 2-3 shooting to go along with 6 rebounds (3 offensive boards), 2 assists & a block.

Kobe 4th quarter - 10 pts 62.8%TS
Lebron 4th quarter 2016 Finals Game 7 - 11 pts 53.9%TS

:(

[Bankaii]

Kobe 4th quarter - 10 pts 62.8%TS
Lebron 4th quarter 2016 Finals Game 7 - 11 pts 53.9%TS

:(
Any reason you’re using TS%:oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Any reason you’re using TS%:oldlol:

idk, maybe because Kobe scored the majority of his pts from the FT line in the 4th and it matters when evaluating scoring efficiency? TS% takes that into account. Saying he was inefficient in the 4th quarter is just not true.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe 4th quarter - 10 pts 62.8%TS
Lebron 4th quarter 2016 Finals Game 7 - 11 pts 53.9%TS

:(
You're really using TS% when Kobe made one field goal the entire quarter on 4 attempts. keeping him exactly on his shitty 6/24 pace :lol

I'm not disputing those numbers are right, but it makes no sense Kobe's TS% would be so much higher when he shot worse from the field and from 3, while shooting only marginally better from the FT line (89%-80%)

[Bankaii]

idk, maybe because Kobe scored the majority of his pts from the FT line in the 4th and it matters when evaluating scoring efficiency? TS% takes that into account. Saying he was inefficient in the 4th quarter is just not true.
You used TS% because it covers up Kobe’s horrid efficiency in the 4th quarter. TS% is a horrible stats.

Kobe shot 25% (0/1 from 3).
Lebron shot 38% (1/2 from 3).
They both missed one free throw, Kobe just shot more.
Nice try manipulating stats to make it seem like Kobe was more efficient. Lmao at a Kobetard of all people using efficiency.

[Bankaii]

You're really using TS% when Kobe made one field goal the entire quarter on 4 attempts. keeping him exactly on his shitty 6/24 pace :lol

I'm not disputing those numbers are right, but it makes no sense Kobe's TS% would be so much higher when he shot worse from the field and from 3, while shooting only marginally better from the FT line (89%-80%)
TS% is a trash stat. Kobe was a solid FT shooter so his fans cling on to it for dear life lmao.

[ImKobe]

You used TS% because it covers up Kobe’s horrid efficiency in the 4th quarter. TS% is a horrible stats.

Kobe shot 25% (0/1 from 3).
Lebron shot 38% (1/2 from 3).
They both missed one free throw, Kobe just shot more.
Nice try manipulating stats to make it seem like Kobe was more efficient. Lmao at a Kobetard of all people using efficiency.

Lebron took 8 shots to score 1 more point. That's more efficient? God, you guys are actually retarded..

[ImKobe]

You're really using TS% when Kobe made one field goal the entire quarter on 4 attempts. keeping him exactly on his shitty 6/24 pace :lol

I'm not disputing those numbers are right, but it makes no sense Kobe's TS% would be so much higher when he shot worse from the field and from 3, while shooting only marginally better from the FT line (89%-80%)

How does it not make sense? He took 4 more FTs and 4 less FGA than Bran.. Bran needed more possessions/attempts to score those points.

[Bankaii]

Lebron took 8 shots to score 1 more point. That's more efficient? God, you guys are actually retarded..
You do realize in order to shoot free throws you have to attempt a shot right?
It’s one thing to troll, but you’re dead serious and still sound dumb af lmao.

[Bankaii]

I went back and watched that 4th quarter out of interest.

Pau was 100% the main factor in them winning. He got some crucial offensive rebounds and they were running the offense through him at times.

Kobe was struggling to score on a 34 year old Ray Allen. He also had multiple defensive lapses and basically didn’t play defense on Rondo lol. But he was clutch from the free throw line.

[ImKobe]

You do realize in order to shoot free throws you have to attempt a shot right?
It’s one thing to troll, but you’re dead serious and still sound dumb af lmao.

Kobe took 4 shots & 9 FTs, do you think that's more or less possessions/shots than Lebron's 8 FGA & 5 FTA?


I went back and watched that 4th quarter out of interest.

Pau was 100% the main factor in them winning. He got some crucial offensive rebounds and they were running the offense through him at times.

Kobe was struggling to score on a 34 year old Ray Allen. He also had multiple defensive lapses and basically didn’t play defense on Rondo lol. But he was clutch from the free throw line.

Do you not understand that Rondo wasn't a shooter in 2010 and he left him open on purpose to help on others? Of course you let a 20% 3PT shooter take the ****ing shot. That's by design. He made a tough 3 in a 2-possession game that didn't really matter so if you think that means Kobe played bad D in that game or the series then you really don't know basketball. Rondo himself said that Kobe figured out a way to beat them in that game. Kobe set up the biggest shot of that game and then on next possession got the FTs to ice the game. But he wasn't clutch & got carried, right? PP and Allen combined for 31 pts 7 TOs on 8/29 shooting, you think Kobe played no part in that? He also had the best DRTG among starters in that series. Lakers shouldn't have needed a Game 7 with how well he played on the road but Gasol was a no show.

[Bankaii]

Kobe had defensive lapses. If Lebron did the exact same thing you’d be crying about it.
Theres no point in debating this with you. You refuse to admit any of Kobe’s faults. It’s a waste of time lol.

[ImKobe]

Kobe had defensive lapses. If Lebron did the exact same thing you’d be crying about it.
Theres no point in debating this with you. You refuse to admit any of Kobe’s faults. It’s a waste of time lol.

You said that Kobe played bad defense by leaving a 20% 3PT shooter open. That's all I need to know lol.

[Axe]

Lebron took 8 shots to score 1 more point. That's more efficient? God, you guys are actually retarded..
Is that guy you're responding to a kong stan in disguise? Not sure why he usually becomes rattled whenever kong gets slammed about something and comes to his defenses at times, even if he seems to be a sixers fan due to his avy.

[John_Connor]

gasol coulda shot 100% and he still woulda lost finals mvp to kobe cause at a certain point you can't overcome a guy averaging 30 to your 19 a game


not without averaging 15 assists with that 19.

if the guy with 30 is also out assisting you and is also the better defender it's kinda hard to win finals mvp just cause you're more efficient. analytics aren't everything.

unless you guys wanna admit kobe at age 22 was better than peak Shaq in 2001. analytics were on kobes side that playoffs. is young kobe the real MDE?