Are We Really Going To Act Like LeBron Didn't Average 17 PPG In The Finals???

[Doranku]

The supposed "Chosen One", best player in the league, reigning back-to-back MVP.. are we really going to ignore the fact that he averaged a miserable 17 ppg in the finals IN HIS PRIME???

For comparison's sake, let's look at how some other second options fared during their finals series':

'10-11 Jason Terry: 18.0 ppg :roll:
'09-10 Pau Gasol: 18.6 ppg
'08-09 Pau Gasol: 18.2 ppg
'07-08 Ray Allen: 20.3 ppg :oldlol:
'06-07 Tony Parker: 24.5 ppg :eek:
'05-06 Jason Terry: 22.0 ppg :lol
'04-05 Manu Ginobili: 18.7 ppg
'03-04 Richard Hamilton: 21.4 ppg :oldlol:

and the daggers,

'01-02 Kenyon Martin: 22.0 ppg :roll: :facepalm
'99-00 Jalen Rose: 23.0 ppg :violin:

None of these guys were even considered top 10 players in the league during their respective finals appearances.. hell, some of them weren't even the second best player on their team. :oldlol: Yet, they all managed to put up better scoring numbers than "King" James on the biggest stage?

The fact that people are still pegging this guy as the #1 player in the league is just asinine at this point. SMH.

Feel free to post averages of other scrubs who managed to put up better scoring numbers in the finals than LeBrick. :cheers:

[Doranku]

http://troll.me/images/ronald-mcdonald-call/hello-*******-police-the-op-is-back.jpg

I see LeBron has passed his failures onto his fans. :facepalm

[solar.hands]

now, lets take a look at kobe's numbers from last years fina...
oh wait...

[Phong]

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/04/110904024824874473.gif

[chips93]

. . . i feel like we have been over this before

[knightfall88]

I still can't believe how epic his break down was.

[EricForman]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".

[EricForman]

Feel free to post averages of other scrubs who managed to put up better scoring numbers in the finals than LeBrick. :cheers:

Hey, I'm curious, what did Kobe average in the 2000 finals? can you check for me? My internet is kinda slow. :oldlol:

[sh0wtime]

The better questions are:

"Are we really going to act like we have acted like Lebron didnt average 17 ppg in the Finals?"

"Are we really going to act like you didnt just give a bad reason in order to just take your annual jabs at Lebron again?"

Me and you both know Lebron's performance in the Finals has been talked about every single day on ISH, it has been brought up all the time, often in any random thread. To the point where i actually just lost interest on this forum for a while, its filled with Lebron bashing internet-heroes.

I dont mind having an articulate basketball discussion about the actual cause of his performance, what Mavs did to cause him to play like that, what he and Miami did to cause him to play like that, that would actually be interesting. But no, its all childish trolls throwing immature slurs one after another, like there is no explanation to a player playing a certain way, its only that he "choked" and is "mentally weak". Like, for example a player doesnt get blocked because he took a bad shot or because the defender made a fantastic defensive move, but because the offensive player choked and thats why he got blocked.

[chips93]

The better questions are:

"Are we really going to act like we have acted like Lebron didnt average 17 ppg in the Finals?"

"Are we really going to act like you didnt just give a bad reason in order to just take your annual jabs at Lebron again?"

Me and you both know Lebron's performance in the Finals has been talked about every single day on ISH, it has been brought up all the time, often in any random thread. To the point where i actually just lost interest on this forum for a while, its filled with Lebron bashing internet-heroes.

I dont mind having an articulate basketball discussion about the actual cause of his performance, what Mavs did to cause him to play like that, what he and Miami did to cause him to play like that, that would actually be interesting. But no, its all childish trolls throwing immature slurs one after another, like there is no explanation to a player playing a certain way, its only that he "choked" and is "mentally weak". Like, for example a player doesnt get blocked because he took a bad shot or because the defender made a fantastic defensive move, but because the offensive player choked and thats why he got blocked.

this

so, why do you think that lebron played so far below his usual standards in the finals? i have my own ideas, but im not entirely sure why.

[knightfall88]

Lets not pretend it was below his standard and say that he has a high standard and make it seem acceptable. Whatever standard that a top 2 player in ANY NBA team has, he was way below that.

[Doctor Rivers]

:blah


:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

I still can't believe how epic his break down was.
dont forget he choked even harder in his finals appearance before that.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

dear ISH trolls,dear LeBron homers/haters,dear Kobe homers/haters please stop making 10 LeBron/Kobe or Kobe vs LeBron related threads per day

thank you

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are we really going to act like Lebron wasn't jacking up shots to the tune of 38% shooting blatantly freezing out his teammates because of his selfish need for a Finals MVP? Oh wait, that was Kobe.

[Nick Young]

Are we really going to act like Lebron wasn't jacking up shots to the tune of 38% shooting blatantly freezing out his teammates because of his selfish need for a Finals MVP? Oh wait, that was Kobe.
5 rings the man can do what he wants

Lebron's winning percentage in terms of finals: 0%

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

5 rings the man can do what he wants 0%

That's what a 90 million dollar roster will do for you :applause:

[DMAVS41]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".

Normally this is true. What was shocking about the finals was that Lebron's overall play was so poor. Forget the scoring...his defense, playmaking, and crunch time play were all awful in the series. Especially his defense....it was so bad that it actually hurt the heat.

After watching the series a couple more times now....I don't feel that people understand how historically bad he was. And the circumstances he had (best team, best player, and home court)....make the performance that much worse.

[chips93]

dear ISH trolls,dear LeBron homers/haters,dear Kobe homers/haters please stop making 10 LeBron/Kobe or Kobe vs LeBron related threads per day

thank you

wishful thinking

ish has gotten a lot worse lately, hopefully it will improve if the season starts.

[Ikill]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".
I don't care about his all around numbers when he is playing close to 48 minutes a game unless he does something crazy. His defense wasn't that great either

[SteveNashMVPcro]

wishful thinking

ish has gotten a lot worse lately, hopefully it will improve if the season starts.
hopefully because this is just:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :banghead:

[Ikill]

The better questions are:

"Are we really going to act like we have acted like Lebron didnt average 17 ppg in the Finals?"

"Are we really going to act like you didnt just give a bad reason in order to just take your annual jabs at Lebron again?"

Me and you both know Lebron's performance in the Finals has been talked about every single day on ISH, it has been brought up all the time, often in any random thread. To the point where i actually just lost interest on this forum for a while, its filled with Lebron bashing internet-heroes.

I dont mind having an articulate basketball discussion about the actual cause of his performance, what Mavs did to cause him to play like that, what he and Miami did to cause him to play like that, that would actually be interesting. But no, its all childish trolls throwing immature slurs one after another, like there is no explanation to a player playing a certain way, its only that he "choked" and is "mentally weak". Like, for example a player doesnt get blocked because he took a bad shot or because the defender made a fantastic defensive move, but because the offensive player choked and thats why he got blocked.
This has happened so many times to him there is no point of breaking it down Lebron was playing pretty inconsistent even before the finals.

[SCdac]

What really made his series abnormal to me was not necessarily his PPG, but also his FTA per game and overall lack of aggression leading to free throws.

Some of the credit goes to Dallas' focused defense of course, but some of it (alot of it) seemed Lebron checking himself out of the games... for one reason or another.

First 4 games of the playoffs:

14 FTA (playoff high for 2011)
10 FTA
10 FTA
11 FTA

Last 4 games of the playoffs:

4 FTA
4 FTA
2 FTA (pivotal game 5)
4 FTA

Playoff career average (pre '11 season): 11.3 FTA per game
Regular season: 8.4 FTA per game
Regular season high: 22 FTA vs. Boston

Those are huge drops offs in FT attempts in the Finals, considering Lebron is one of the most explosive and athletic players in the game. I thought some plays and calls should have went his way that didn't, that can be discouraging for any player, but it was more so Lebron not staying aggressive.

[Heavincent]

Normally this is true. What was shocking about the finals was that Lebron's overall play was so poor. Forget the scoring...his defense, playmaking, and crunch time play were all awful in the series. Especially his defense....it was so bad that it actually hurt the heat.

After watching the series a couple more times now....I don't feel that people understand how historically bad he was. And the circumstances he had (best team, best player, and home court)....make the performance that much worse.

You're right on the money here DMAVS.

I didn't even really notice Lebron in the Finals. That's how bad he was. He was just standing on the perimeter doing nothing and would get rid of the ball as soon as he got it.

[Heavincent]

In fairness to LBJ, there were some BS no calls on him which may have made him less aggressive. He still underperformed severely, but that is worth noting IMO.

Oh really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foaPMZxtzx4&feature=player_embedded

Lebron just didn't get all of the BS calls in his advantage that he's used to getting. Lebron probably gets more help from the refs than any other player.

[Heavincent]

:rolleyes: Not worth arguing with Kobe stans.

I love how you never actually have an argument :oldlol:

I've seen you get owned so many times :oldlol:

Tell me, how exactly am I a Kobe stan? Just because he's my favorite player? I'll have you know that I don't even think he's in the top 5 all time (probably 6 or 7 on my list).

[Heavincent]

Why should I argue with someone who uses biased opinions to argue? If I say anything about LBJ, you just go "hurr durr LeBrick choked! Hurr Durr!". And if you can't see you're a Kobe stan, :roll:

Okay, how am I a Kobe stan? Humor me.

I don't understand why you think being a Kobe fan is a bad thing or something.

[Nick Young]

That's what a 90 million dollar roster will do for you :applause:
Lol Lebron plays with the best player in the league and a top 7 PF and still can't win and still puts up 17 ppg while being guarded by old man marion and old man Kidd and with most of the defensive pressure assigned to stop Wade

[PowerGlove]

September 4, 2011.

http://www.ddotomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/curtisedlover.png

[Heavincent]

I don't think being a Kobe fan is a bad thing. I think being a stan of any player is though. It's obvious you're a Kobe stan; look at your posts, you never admit he does anything wrong, and you constantly bash LBJ to prop Kobe up.

I actually have. I've insulted him for his 04 Finals performance.

I insult Lebron because it's fun, not to prop Kobe up. I'm not that serious about this internet thing.

[Phong]

RRR3 talking about no-calls without providing any example, but doesn't want to talk about the clear BS calls LeBron got with his flopping. His response? "Durr durrr Kobe stans..blah blah"

So predictable. :roll:

[Doctor Rivers]

Ok. Tone it down a bit then. We don't need another alphawolf/legend24/nickyoung/lucifer/thelogo.

it's a msg board. don't worry so much.

[chips93]

Did I say LBJ doesn't get BS calls? He does, all superstars do. But there were a few plays in the finals where Mark Jackson, JVG and Mike Breen expressed surprise that LBJ didn't get free throws for.

true, but i think that it was how the refs called the series for every player.

lebron usually gets a couple 50-50 calls a game for barreling down the lane and throwing himself into the defender, wade does the same thing too. the refs just didnt make that call during the finals, like they had for the last few years. but they called it the same for everybody. its perfectly fair

[Phong]

But there were a few plays in the finals where Mark Jackson, JVG and Mike Breen expressed surprise that LBJ didn't get free throws for.Which plays?

Here's two examples of bullshit calls that gave him FTs: flopping and throwing an elbow...
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/04/110904065852105480.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/04/110904065826858056.gif

Basically you're saying that all the BS calls he got in his favor didn't make him more aggressive, but those few calls that supposedly didn't go his way were enough to shut him down for 5 games straight? He needs all the calls to go his way to be aggressive otherwise he just gives up? LeBron must be mentally weaker than I even thought. :facepalm

[jrong]

Normally this is true. What was shocking about the finals was that Lebron's overall play was so poor. Forget the scoring...his defense, playmaking, and crunch time play were all awful in the series. Especially his defense....it was so bad that it actually hurt the heat.

After watching the series a couple more times now....I don't feel that people understand how historically bad he was. And the circumstances he had (best team, best player, and home court)....make the performance that much worse.

It really was. I have obsessively and masochistically rewatched the series, and there's no other conclusion I can reach then James is 60% responsible for the loss. I'll place 30% blame on Spoelstra, and eveyone else splits up the remaining 10% (I'll even give Wade one or two percent for not being perfect enough to overcome James's ineptitude and for hurting himself by trying to euro-step Cardinal when the guy is so flat-footed he should have just went past him).

(This is not to take credit away from Dallas. Dallas from the top of their rotation to the bottom, and not to mention their coach, was a better team. But, the Heat should have knocked them out before it mattered because they had so much more talent at the top.)

It's true that many of the LeBron threads offer no constructive input other than hate. But, that doesn't mean that posts that actually offer very warranted, substantive criticism are mere hate posts.

The fact of the matter is that LeBron deserves to have his status called into question after not only this year's Finals, but last year's playoffs, the 2008 playoffs, and the 2007 Finals. By LeBron's "status" I mean his presumed superiority.

LeBron's supremacy in the view of the media and the majority of fans is self-evident. It's almost taken as if it's an added clause to the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. And also, LeBron James is the best basketball player in the NBA.

But, there is a growing view is starting to hold that the Emperor has no clothes. And after James's play in this year's Finals especially, but also past big series, the question is legitimate.

[Boston C's]

The supposed "Chosen One", best player in the league, reigning back-to-back MVP.. are we really going to ignore the fact that he averaged a miserable 17 ppg in the finals IN HIS PRIME???

For comparison's sake, let's look at how some other second options fared during their finals series':

'10-11 Jason Terry: 18.0 ppg :roll:
'09-10 Pau Gasol: 18.6 ppg
'08-09 Pau Gasol: 18.2 ppg
'07-08 Ray Allen: 20.3 ppg :oldlol:
'06-07 Tony Parker: 24.5 ppg :eek:
'05-06 Jason Terry: 22.0 ppg :lol
'04-05 Manu Ginobili: 18.7 ppg
'03-04 Richard Hamilton: 21.4 ppg :oldlol:

and the daggers,

'01-02 Kenyon Martin: 22.0 ppg :roll: :facepalm
'99-00 Jalen Rose: 23.0 ppg :violin:

None of these guys were even considered top 10 players in the league during their respective finals appearances.. hell, some of them weren't even the second best player on their team. :oldlol: Yet, they all managed to put up better scoring numbers than "King" James on the biggest stage?

The fact that people are still pegging this guy as the #1 player in the league is just asinine at this point. SMH.

Feel free to post averages of other scrubs who managed to put up better scoring numbers in the finals than LeBrick. :cheers:


I don't understand how any of these guys were scrubs... hell ray and pau were the franchise players of their teams the yr before the 08 finals

[Indian guy]

OP has always been a LeBron-fearing, Kobe d!ck-sucking scumbag, but he's absolutely right here. Not that Heat-LeBron was ever the best(barely Top 5), but he lost all right to that title in the NBA Finals. I can't wrap my head around all these non-LeBron fans out there ranking him #1. It's like they feel sorry for him or something.

[chips93]

I can't wrap my head around all these non-LeBron fans out there ranking him #1. It's like they feel sorry for him or something.

different people put different weight on the importance of the finals

[DMAVS41]

It really was. I have obsessively and masochistically rewatched the series, and there's no other conclusion I can reach then James is 60% responsible for the loss. I'll place 30% blame on Spoelstra, and eveyone else splits up the remaining 10% (I'll even give Wade one or two percent for not being perfect enough to overcome James's ineptitude and for hurting himself by trying to euro-step Cardinal when the guy is so flat-footed he should have just went past him).

(This is not to take credit away from Dallas. Dallas from the top of their rotation to the bottom, and not to mention their coach, was a better team. But, the Heat should have knocked them out before it mattered because they had so much more talent at the top.)

It's true that many of the LeBron threads offer no constructive input other than hate. But, that doesn't mean that posts that actually offer very warranted, substantive criticism are mere hate posts.

The fact of the matter is that LeBron deserves to have his status called into question after not only this year's Finals, but last year's playoffs, the 2008 playoffs, and the 2007 Finals. By LeBron's "status" I mean his presumed superiority.

LeBron's supremacy in the view of the media and the majority of fans is self-evident. It's almost taken as if it's an added clause to the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. And also, LeBron James is the best basketball player in the NBA.

But, there is a growing view is starting to hold that the Emperor has no clothes. And after James's play in this year's Finals especially, but also past big series, the question is legitimate.

Yep. Its now really interesting. I don't hold it too hard against Lebron for his performance in 07 or 08. In 07 his team just had no business even being there and its understandable why he struggled. In 08 against the Celtics he started off horribly, but really came on strong later in the series. Given what we saw Kobe do against that same very team with much better coaching and help....Its understandable. Even last year I understand why Lebron struggled against a much better Celtics team.

There are no excuses now though. He everything a player could really ever want in the finals. Home court. The best team. The player playing the best on his team....it was on a silver platter. And Lebron "wet the bed" more than any star player has in the finals that I can remember. It was historically bad.

And it wasn't just offense. He was horrible in pretty much every facet of the game. He wasn't aggressive. He wasn't tough. His defense was awful...etc.

Just no excuse for doing that in the heart of his prime in the biggest series of his life. And people calling him the best player last year honestly need to get their head examined.

[ThaSwagg3r]

In the finals.... How many times did we see a Miami possession, especially in the final two games of the series, end badly because of over passing? And how many times did Lebron James get a second touch on these possessions and only contribute a worthless pass to a covered player instead of attacking the defense. LeBron was literally playing hot potato out there and he is the main reason why the Heat were not champions in 2010-11.


The reality is that the all Lebron James had to do was play like a struggling Lebron James and they more than likely would have won the 2011 championship. That is the biggest difference between Wade and Lebron. Lebron didn't even give himself a chance to struggle and it could be because he wanted to continue looking good in the boxscore. Regardless, he just settled into the role of being a very good role player, when that isn't what his team needed at crucial times.

That is the difference between Wade and Lebron, Wade gave himself a chance to struggle in that Bulls series and continued to force the issue despite that. The results? The Heat won the ECF in 5.

Wade contributed in many ways in that Bulls series. He contributed with his great and clutch defense, his play in the clutch in general (especially in Game 5), was still aggressive (unlike LeBron in the NBA Finals) and got to the free throw line and by doing so he put pressure on the defense. He wasn't peripheral like LeBron was. Wade found others way to influence the game. LeBron had virtually no impact in the finals, none, he didn't put any pressure on them and he "checked out" like Stevenson said.

I can accept a star playing poorly more than I can accept a star turning himself into a role player to the detriment of his own team.

[TheAesirsFinest]

It really was. I have obsessively and masochistically rewatched the series, and there's no other conclusion I can reach then James is 60% responsible for the loss. I'll place 30% blame on Spoelstra, and eveyone else splits up the remaining 10% (I'll even give Wade one or two percent for not being perfect enough to overcome James's ineptitude and for hurting himself by trying to euro-step Cardinal when the guy is so flat-footed he should have just went past him).

(This is not to take credit away from Dallas. Dallas from the top of their rotation to the bottom, and not to mention their coach, was a better team. But, the Heat should have knocked them out before it mattered because they had so much more talent at the top.)

It's true that many of the LeBron threads offer no constructive input other than hate. But, that doesn't mean that posts that actually offer very warranted, substantive criticism are mere hate posts.

The fact of the matter is that LeBron deserves to have his status called into question after not only this year's Finals, but last year's playoffs, the 2008 playoffs, and the 2007 Finals. By LeBron's "status" I mean his presumed superiority.

LeBron's supremacy in the view of the media and the majority of fans is self-evident. It's almost taken as if it's an added clause to the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. And also, LeBron James is the best basketball player in the NBA.

But, there is a growing view is starting to hold that the Emperor has no clothes. And after James's play in this year's Finals especially, but also past big series, the question is legitimate.

For me, I'd split the blame 51% (just so I can say majority of the blame) on LeBron, 39% on Spo, 10% on remaining players with Bosh taking 5%.

Good post though. I'm blown away by how people can still rank LeBron as the best player. Maybe top 5, but he doesn't impact the game like Cavs LeBron. That guy put so much pressure on the enemy team through so many ways. This Heat LeBron was 70% of the Cavs LeBron on a good day.

[AlphaWolf24]

Hey, I'm curious, what did Kobe average in the 2000 finals? can you check for me? My internet is kinda slow. :oldlol:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2889000/AlphaWolf-2889642_429_339.jpg

(winning Titles and making people mad since 00')
BTW What did Kobe do in Game 7 of the WCFinals??......the real NBA Finals.

[Doranku]

Hey, I'm curious, what did Kobe average in the 2000 finals? can you check for me? My internet is kinda slow. :oldlol:

It's not really fair to use those stats considering Kobe only played 9 minutes in game 3. :confusedshrug: If you take that game out, I'm pretty sure his average was higher than 17 ppg. :lol


Normally this is true. What was shocking about the finals was that Lebron's overall play was so poor. Forget the scoring...his defense, playmaking, and crunch time play were all awful in the series. Especially his defense....it was so bad that it actually hurt the heat.

After watching the series a couple more times now....I don't feel that people understand how historically bad he was. And the circumstances he had (best team, best player, and home court)....make the performance that much worse.

:applause: :applause: :applause: My n!gga DMavs.

This is why I didn't bring up his defense, rebounding, playmaking, etc. They weren't worth mentioning. His defense left much to be desired. Like someone said, the dude was playing crazy minutes. Am I supposed to be impressed that a 26 year old, 6'8/250+ dude is grabbing 6-7 rebounds in 45+ minutes? Or that he's dishing 6-7 assists when he's playing hot potato with the ball every time he touches it in the 4th?

People like to talk about Kobe's '04 series and how bad it was, but LeBron had an even worse series in '07. And now this? How can you keep calling this dude the best player in the game with meltdowns like this? I don't get it.. what has he proven, exactly?


OP has always been a LeBron-fearing, Kobe d!ck-sucking scumbag, but he's absolutely right here. Not that Heat-LeBron was ever the best(barely Top 5), but he lost all right to that title in the NBA Finals. I can't wrap my head around all these non-LeBron fans out there ranking him #1. It's like they feel sorry for him or something.
:roll:

You know LeBron played like dog shit when fcking Indian Guy is over here bad-mouthing the dude and his fans. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

What did LeBron do in game 5 of the ECF? Oh right...

The only game 5 I remember is this one:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

[No Name]

now, lets take a look at kobe's numbers from last years fina...
oh wait...


28.6 ppg
8 rpg
4 apg

:applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

What did LeBron do in game 5 of the ECF? Oh right...

I guess you missed the part where the Lakers won the Title


next

[dee-rose]

We really haven't discussed this enough. As far as explanations go, it is simply because he overpassed and doesn't get to the rim like he used to. So many fans can't seem to grasp the concept that passing too much is just as bad as chucking shots. The only difference is there's a stat for FGA and not for the amount of bad passes you make.

[LeFraud James]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game during the first 3 quarters than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".

FTFY foreskin.

[AlphaWolf24]

We really haven't discussed this enough. As far as explanations go, it is simply because he overpassed and doesn't get to the rim like he used to. So many fans can't seem to grasp the concept that passing too much is just as bad as chucking shots. The only difference is there's a stat for FGA and not for the amount of bad passes you make.


and assists are way to overvalued.......

look at John Stockton....

[nbacardDOTnet]

The supposed "Chosen One", best player in the league, reigning back-to-back MVP.. are we really going to ignore the fact that he averaged a miserable 17 ppg in the finals IN HIS PRIME???

For comparison's sake, let's look at how some other second options fared during their finals series':

'10-11 Jason Terry: 18.0 ppg :roll:
'09-10 Pau Gasol: 18.6 ppg
'08-09 Pau Gasol: 18.2 ppg
'07-08 Ray Allen: 20.3 ppg'06-07 Tony Parker: 24.5 ppg
'05-06 Jason Terry: 22.0 ppg :lol
'04-05 Manu Ginobili: 18.7 ppg
'03-04 Richard Hamilton: 21.4 ppg :oldlol:


and the daggers,

'01-02 Kenyon Martin: 22.0 ppg :roll: :facepalm
'99-00 Jalen Rose: 23.0 ppg :violin:

None of these guys were even considered top 10 players in the league during their respective finals appearances.. hell, some of them weren't even the second best player on their team. :oldlol: Yet, they all managed to put up better scoring numbers than "King" James on the biggest stage?

The fact that people are still pegging this guy as the #1 player in the league is just asinine at this point. SMH.

Feel free to post averages of other scrubs who managed to put up better scoring numbers in the finals than LeBrick. :cheers:


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[Doranku]

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:roll:

[Jacks3]

yeah, he was nearly as bad as wade was in the ECF.

[dee-rose]

and assists are way to overvalued.......

look at John Stockton....
Agreed. Not John Stockton necessarily. To me he was an awesome decision maker, but Rondo for example passes up wide open lay ups for assists on a regular basis. That's hurting your team.

[The Iron Fist]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".:roll:
[eric]but kobe was 6-24 in game 7. it doesn't matter how many rebounds he had or how he impacted the game in other ways, all that matters is that he shot 6-24[/foreman]

[PTB Fan]

Outside of that Game 3, he had 21/7/7 on 50% from field. Not amazing, but far from being bad. He still has a point to prove. He's 0-2 in the Finals. He wants to win right? He better start because he has a long way to catch up.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Yeah, pretty much

[pauk]

Lebron had a bad finals by his standards, yes.

But to focus on the PPG (it was actually 18 ppg anyways) only and pretend like that's all Lebron does is, well, being a Kobe fan.

Lebron has more dimensions to his game than every single name on that list and you know it deep down. Even during the finals he had a bunch of stunning, awe-inspiring passes, such as the semi no-look, sideswipe pass to Bosh for the game winner, and a full court outlet to Wade that had the announcers going "WOW".

and the 1st team all-nba defense and the best versatility in the NBA.. playing 4 positions offensively and efficiently defending 4 positions... does that show on the stat sheet?

This...

[madmax]

Let's not act like Heat would've reached NBA finals if Lebron wasn't hitting shot after shot in ECF against Bulls...too bad Wade sucks too much to bail Lebron out when the leader of the team is struggling I guess

[Doranku]

:lol @ the LeBron apologists.

Defense? Dude was getting shit on by Terry and Marion. Dude's were just taking turns toying with "the King". Passing? LeBron was killing his team late in games by over-passing. Anyone with eyes could see that. Rebounding? 7 rebounds per game while playing ~45 minutes for a 6'8, athletically prime freak? Awesome...

LeBron's series wasn't just "a bad finals by his standards". LeBron's series was historically bad, especially when people are trying to say he's the best player in the league. Dude's impact was canceled out by Shawn f*cking Marion. :roll:

[DMAVS41]

:lol @ the LeBron apologists.

Defense? Dude was getting shit on by Terry and Marion. Dude's were just taking turns toying with "the King". Passing? LeBron was killing his team late in games by over-passing. Anyone with eyes could see that. Rebounding? 7 rebounds per game while playing ~45 minutes for a 6'8, athletically prime freak? Awesome...

LeBron's series wasn't just "a bad finals by his standards". LeBron's series was historically bad, especially when people are trying to say he's the best player in the league. Dude's impact was canceled out by Shawn f*cking Marion. :roll:

Pretty much this.

Honestly...is it the worst finals performance by an elite player in their prime of all time?

I can't think of a worse performance.....the only thing that really comes close is Kobe's 04 Finals....and once you factor in the circumstances its just not as bad.

This was historically bad.

[All Net]

Pretty much this.

Honestly...is it the worst finals performance by an elite player in their prime of all time?

I can't think of a worse performance.....the only thing that really comes close is Kobe's 04 Finals....and once you factor in the circumstances its just not as bad.

This was historically bad.
It was certainly bad and it not like you can look at purely stats the either

No doubt lebron will hav to put it down as a learning experience and comeback strong next season which he will need to.

[LBJFTW]

Honestly...is it the worst finals performance by an elite player in their prime of all time?

Yes it is, unquestionably. I still don't see why people are trying to defend his performance. It sucked, and nothing anyone says or does is going to change that fact.

[All Net]

Yes it is, unquestionably. I still don't see why people are trying to defend his performance. It sucked, and nothing anyone says or does is going to change that fact.
I don't think people are disagreeing with that it's just the extent of which it's being talked about. I think he biggest thing is people questioning that he is no longer the best or top 3 is the real argument.

[Theoo's Daddy]

I don't think people are disagreeing with that it's just the extent of which it's being talked about. I think he biggest thing is people questioning that he is no longer the best or top 3 is the real argument.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

So where do you rank him ?

[All Net]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

So where do you rank him ?
Whats funny?

Still think he is the best player but only just

How he performed in the finals was shocking which is why some dont consider him the best right now.

[Ronaldinho]

Pretty much this.

Honestly...is it the worst finals performance by an elite player in their prime of all time?

I can't think of a worse performance.....the only thing that really comes close is Kobe's 04 Finals....and once you factor in the circumstances its just not as bad.

This was historically bad.
This.Kobe in 04 had a lot of things going on outside the court, like the rape trial and the Shaq and Kobe feud.And the fact that they were facing one o the best defensive teams of all time.

Lebron just sucked.If Lebron had played at least his average Miami would probably won.

[Duncan21formvp]

The supposed "Chosen One", best player in the league, reigning back-to-back MVP.. are we really going to ignore the fact that he averaged a miserable 17 ppg in the finals IN HIS PRIME???

For comparison's sake, let's look at how some other second options fared during their finals series':

'10-11 Jason Terry: 18.0 ppg :roll:
'09-10 Pau Gasol: 18.6 ppg
'08-09 Pau Gasol: 18.2 ppg
'07-08 Ray Allen: 20.3 ppg :oldlol:
'06-07 Tony Parker: 24.5 ppg :eek:
'05-06 Jason Terry: 22.0 ppg :lol
'04-05 Manu Ginobili: 18.7 ppg
'03-04 Richard Hamilton: 21.4 ppg :oldlol:

and the daggers,

'01-02 Kenyon Martin: 22.0 ppg :roll: :facepalm
'99-00 Jalen Rose: 23.0 ppg :violin:

None of these guys were even considered top 10 players in the league during their respective finals appearances.. hell, some of them weren't even the second best player on their team. :oldlol: Yet, they all managed to put up better scoring numbers than "King" James on the biggest stage?

The fact that people are still pegging this guy as the #1 player in the league is just asinine at this point. SMH.

Feel free to post averages of other scrubs who managed to put up better scoring numbers in the finals than LeBrick. :cheers:
The amazing thing is a guy who came off the bench averaged more than him.

[D-Wade316]

yeah, he was nearly as bad as wade was in the ECF.
:oldlol:

[rodman91]

Are we really going to act like Lebron wasn't jacking up shots to the tune of 38% shooting blatantly freezing out his teammates because of his selfish need for a Finals MVP? Oh wait, that was Kobe.

:applause:

[Doranku]

Are we really going to act like Lebron wasn't jacking up shots to the tune of 38% shooting blatantly freezing out his teammates because of his selfish need for a Finals MVP? Oh wait, that was Kobe.

At least Kobe went down blazing. LeBron went down like a little bitch, standing around during the 4th quarter and playing hot potato with the ball the entire time. No leadership, no accountability, no passion. He might as well have been a robot on the court designed only to stand in place and pass the ball. :facepalm

[greensborohill]

:lol @ the LeBron apologists.

Defense? Dude was getting shit on by Terry and Marion. Dude's were just taking turns toying with "the King". Passing? LeBron was killing his team late in games by over-passing. Anyone with eyes could see that. Rebounding? 7 rebounds per game while playing ~45 minutes for a 6'8, athletically prime freak? Awesome...

LeBron's series wasn't just "a bad finals by his standards". LeBron's series was historically bad, especially when people are trying to say he's the best player in the league. Dude's impact was canceled out by Shawn f*cking Marion. :roll:

"Bitch"

Marion to The Chosen1 after he scored on him.

[rodman91]

At least Kobe went down blazing. LeBron went down like a little bitch, standing around during the 4th quarter and playing hot potato with the ball the entire time. No leadership, no accountability, no passion. He might as well have been a robot on the court designed only to stand in place and pass the ball. :facepalm

Kobe was playing hot potato with ball too, everytime he got ball,he throw it to basket.

22 ppg with 38%. 43 of 113 shots .That must be one hot potato.

:oldlol:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

So you guys have to create threads like these to cause feuds?

[Doranku]

Kobe was playing hot potato with ball too, everytime he got ball,he throw it to basket.

22 ppg with 38%. 43 of 113 shots .That must be one hot potato.

:oldlol:

Yeah man, that's almost as bad as LeBron's 32 of 90 shots in the '07 Finals! :roll:

[PowerGlove]

Yeah man, that's almost as bad as LeBron's 32 of 90 shots in the '07 Finals! :roll:
Yup Lebron should have passed it to a barely past prime Shaq. What was he thinking?:oldlol:

Doranku still salty that he bought tickets to Cavs-Heat game and got shitted on in front of a national tv audience :oldlol:

[kaiiu]

Lebrick cant even be a sidekick right

[kentatm]

The amazing thing is a guy who came off the bench averaged more than him.


to be fair, while both Terry and Manu come off the bench, they also both play starters minutes and are on the floor to close games.

lol

[Doranku]

Yup Lebron should have passed it to a barely past prime Shaq. What was he thinking?:oldlol:

Doranku still salty that he bought tickets to Cavs-Heat game and got shitted on in front of a national tv audience :oldlol:

Nah brah, I quickly got over it after seeing LeBron wither away in the finals like he was a dying flower with no water. :roll:

[MiseryCityTexas]

lol can't lie. lebron did put up some JR Rider styled,"i really don't give a shit about playing basketball" type of numbers.