How did the blazers manage to lose to the Lakers in 2000?

[Nick Young]

I mean they had Sabonis and Rasheed to check Shaq not to mention JO on the bench who hardly played but was still there.

Bonzi Wells and Scottie Pippen to try to slow down Kobe (Lawl I know an impossible task)

Not to mention a 50 point man Damon Staudamire.


So how did the Blazers manage to lose to the Lakers, it really shows you the greatness of Kobe there, despite playing with so many disadvantages he still managed to will his team to victory over a much more talented foe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw
relive the great memories!

[Sakkreth]

Go count FA attempts in second half and rewatch the game, or nvm don't watch it you are to stupid to understand what's going on there anyways.

[Thorn]

Go count FA attempts in second half and rewatch the game, or nvm don't watch it you are to stupid to understand what's going on there anyways.

FT attempts are a weak argument especially when discussing Prime Shaq. He shot 99 FTs in the seven games.

For what it's worth, the Blazers were an excellent matchup for the Lakers that year. Shaqattack has gone over these points before, but it's worth mentioning again.

Rasheed Wallace had a spectacular series, averaging 23.3 PPG as A.C. Green couldn't contain him. Pippen was still a solid defender to cover 2000 Kobe (the difference between 2000 and 2001 Kobe is enormous though 2000 Kobe had some very good games in the series including a 33/2/6 in Game 6 and 25/11/7 in Game 7). Sabonis was a good center to deal with Shaq as he was an excellent passer and had very good range. He was quite bulky (though this was Shaq in his MVP year). The Lakers' lack of depth was also highlighted as the Blazers were very deep (Detlef Schrempf, young JO, Bonzi Wells, Brian Grant all off the bench plus quality starters at every position), while the Lakers were thought of as "two deep", especially as Glen Rice didn't produce as much as the Lakers hoped he would.

The result: a seven game series that ended with the famous 15 point comeback in the 4th by the Lakers. The Blazers had a huge drought in the 4th where they couldn't hit from the field from several minutes, culminating in the clinching alley-oop to Shaq to put LA up by 6 with 41 seconds to go.

[Horde of Temujin]

See: Tim Donaghy

[zay_24]

They had the young GOAT:applause:

Kobe Bean, throw a 15 point lead in the bushes:bowdown:

[Boston C's]

They had the young GOAT:applause:

Kobe Bean, throw a 15 point lead in the bushes:bowdown:

Yea and he sure knew how to throw a 24 point lead in the bushes in the finals as well :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[zay_24]

Yea and he sure knew how to throw a 24 point lead in the bushes in the finals as well :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You mad that the GOAT defeated your team in game 7 of the finals even tho yall was winning goin into the 4th:lol

[Boston C's]

You mad that the GOAT defeated your team in game 7 of the finals even tho yall was winning goin into the 4th:lol

lmao its too easy with you kobe trolls you run to defend your hero like your life depended on it...

Kobe being goat= :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He'll never be up on MJ's level so get used to it

btw if we had perkins game 7 you guys would of gotten thrashed cuz your boy couldn't hit the pacific ocean in game 7 :lol

[Vragrant]

They choked, simple as that.

[Boston C's]

btw the GOAT would never give up the biggest comeback in finals history... just sayin :oldlol:

[BoNafidde]

Choked.

[wally_world]

http://hyerstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nba_donaghy_070724_ms.jpg

[shaq's--lakers]

http://media.oregonlive.com/nba_impact/photo/spshaqjpg-f8b23fe6547e30ad.jpg

Sabonis-Wallace could only contain Shaq for 3 quarters. Then he will break you down Mentally, Spiritually and Physically.

Wallace would start gettin T's. Sabonis would complain to the Refs.
Clear signs of Mental and Physical fatigue.

[Indian guy]

Meh. The question should be how did a team with no star power and a 16/7 Rasheed Wallace as its player take a peak Shaq + Kobe-led LA team to 7 games? Depth is irrelevant in the playoffs without star power at the top. There's only been one superstar-less champion(Detroit) the last 31 years.

It's LA who were doing some massive choking by even letting the series get that far.

[Sakkreth]

http://hyerstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nba_donaghy_070724_ms.jpg

He admitted it.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe went into Gawd mode and scored 8 points in a row to take the lead....

then assisted on another 4 points for the final nail.....remember him crossing up the GOAT perimeter defender then splitting the help defender to throw the most perfect lob to the other guy???.....

00' Kobe started it all.... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383sFr1IkcI&feature=channel_video_title

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Watched that game and saw Lakers play great defense, and Blazers choking. Did that ref just go 'aha now im going to make Lakers win' after 4 quarters and 1/4 of 4th quarter? Go watch more Iluminati videos loser.

[ThaSwagg3r]

Seriously? I thought it was universally known that they pulled a "LeBron James"

[Theoo's Daddy]

http://hyerstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nba_donaghy_070724_ms.jpg


/THREAD.

[All Net]

Meh. The question should be how did a team with no star power and a 16/7 Rasheed Wallace as its player take a peak Shaq + Kobe-led LA team to 7 games? Depth is irrelevant in the playoffs without star power at the top. There's only been one superstar-less champion(Detroit) the last 31 years.

It's LA who were doing some massive choking by even letting the series get that far.

Maybe but Portland were still super talented

L.A like they have done for years took their foot off the gas and let Portland in.

[AlphaWolf24]

Maybe but Portland were still super talented

L.A like they have done for years took their foot off the gas and let Portland in.


2011 NBA Finals says hello:roll:


and Shaq had a History of Losing series with a more stacked team.....until Kobe became Kobe.

[L.A. Jazz]

"where is Pipp"

Pipp is one of my favorites but i blame him a lot for the 4th quater of game 7. it was his time to lead the team, to create and make the right plays, but he disappeared.

but still a great series to watch. Shaq vs Sabonis, Sheed vs Geen, Pipp vs Kobe, Kobe vs Stoudemire, Sheed vs Refs, ...

[chains5000]

They choked hard, that's all. No refs excuse.

[ShaqAttack3234]

The Lakers had quite a few weaknesses.

3 point shooting- Portland was able to double and triple Shaq constantly because the Lakers were not a good 3 point shooting team. And they were able to pull this off better than most because they had Sabonis who was as big as Shaq and could prevent him from getting good position, so he couldn't go right up with the shot. He'd have to put the ball on the floor and as soon as he did, Portland would double, or often before he put the ball on the floor. Pippen was a key to this as well.

I used these following clips in another post(and this was from just the first game when Shaq ended up having his best game of the series).

Shaq's first touch of the series- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3GGuQYfwQ#t=3m28s

As you can see, Rasheed comes over before Shaq even puts the ball on the floor. Harper does make the 3 in this case, but this wasn't what usually happened as he only made 3 of them total in the 7 game series and was a 23% 3 point shooter during that run.

Better position, but the double still comes as soon as he makes his move, in this case, it was successful, but this wasn't the norm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3GGuQYfwQ#t=4m30s

Once again, Rasheed Wallace completely ignores AC Green to double Shaq as soon as he catches the ball. Green does get fouled(non-shooting foul), but Green wasn't good enough by that point to capitalize consistently as he averaged only 3.3 ppg in the series and had a series high of 6 points.

Another example of Pippen coming over and forcing him to go baseline for a tougher contested shot over 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyt48XFslGA&feature=related#t=9m09s

When Shaq was scoring, he had to work harder and so did the Lakers for his points as re-posts were essetial, but as you can see, even after the re-post, several Portland defenders come over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kTt1QE2Yk&feature=related#t=1m16s

Now everyone who followed Shaq in his prime, knows that he liked to use transition opportunities to get good position, but here you can see that Sabonis has the strength to push him out a bit even though he had gotten pretty good position, but when he comes down, there are 3 Portland defenders around him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kTt1QE2Yk&feature=related#t=1m43s

Doug Collins breaking down Portland's defensive strategy in their successful game 2 win. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izs53PMDE8s#t=1m20s

And yes, as you can see, depth was a big advantage for Portland. The Lakers were called "two deep" during the series while Portland was called "too deep". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7P3DOCTJw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izs53PMDE8s#t=2m24s

Pretty accurate as the Lakers relied heavily on Shaq and Kobe while Portland was a complete team.

Phil Jackson has talked about how Shaq would get annoyed during the 2000 season that AC Green and Ron Harper's defenders wouldn't even bother defending them and focus more on Shaq, because these players(and Harper was a good role player in fairness) simply weren't real offensive threats by that point.

Now another big factor was the Lakers power forward position which was a weakness, and a big reason why Sacramento took them the maximum 5 games in the first round. AC Green simply couldn't guard the elite power forwards by that point.

Rasheed Wallace ended up having the series of his life. Through the first 5 seasons of his life, Rasheed had four 30+ point games(3 of them in the '96-'97 season and 1 in 2000). But in the 2000 WCF, he had two in that series. He also had a 29/12 game in game 2. In fact, after game 1(when he was ejected, iirc and only played 16 minutes), Rasheed averaged 25.3 ppg over the final 6 games.

Portland had so many threats that aside from their starting 5(all of whom were offensive threats), they had Brian Grant coming off the bench(and he'd average 15/9 when he got a chance to start in Miami the following season), Bonzi Wells was also capable of big games, but also didn't get much playing time due to Portland's talent at SG/SF. Wells also had several big scoring games off the bench, including 20 points in 19 minutes.

It's easy to see why Portland almost beat them. They caused a lot of match up problems and were far more stacked.

[Nick Young]

lmao its too easy with you kobe trolls you run to defend your hero like your life depended on it...

Kobe being goat= :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He'll never be up on MJ's level so get used to it

btw if we had perkins game 7 you guys would of gotten thrashed cuz your boy couldn't hit the pacific ocean in game 7 :lol
PERKINS IS A F*CKING SCRUB. He is not a good defender, just average. He can't score and he's just an average rebounder. Healthy Bynum shits on him every time they match up and Bynum who needed his knee drained every game still outplayed Perkins on both sides of the floor. Rasheed in game 7 played better and did more than I have ever seen Perkins do in his entire life, both rebounding, defending not to mention he scored alot of nice baskets down low. It was a blessing in disguise for you that Perkins wasn't playing because Rasheed got more minutes. You Boston idiots overrate Perkins as if he was a top center in the league when actually he is just a scrub as he has proven on the Thunder

[The-Legend-24]

Yea and he sure knew how to throw a 24 point lead in the bushes in the finals as well :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I see someone is still butt-hurt their team lost in 2010. Have fun going another 20+ years of nothing. :roll:

[Nick Young]

Meh. The question should be how did a team with no star power and a 16/7 Rasheed Wallace as its player take a peak Shaq + Kobe-led LA team to 7 games? Depth is irrelevant in the playoffs without star power at the top. There's only been one superstar-less champion(Detroit) the last 31 years.

It's LA who were doing some massive choking by even letting the series get that far.
Yep 6 rings Scottie sucks and had no star power, Damon Stoudamire sucked too and their bench was horrible, Rick Fox was better than Detlef Schremf and JO

[Eat Like A Bosh]

The Blazers were simply deeper, the Lakers had a lot of weaknesses that year, and did not match up that well with the Blazers. Not to mention the Lakers had no one great other than Kobe and Shaq.
The 2001 Lakers were much more well rounded, as they cruised to the title.

[aj242]

2011 NBA Finals says hello:roll:


and Shaq had a History of Losing series with a more stacked team.....until Kobe became Kobe.

Yet Shaq was the best player on the team from 96-02!

[RRR3]

Yet Shaq was the best player on the team from 96-04!
Fixed.

[Joshumitsu]

It's because my Blazers are a could've team.

They could've drafted Jordan, could've drafted Bird, could've kept Moses Malone, could've been a dynasty in the late 70's had Walton been healthy, could've had Sabonis-prime, could've won the 2000 Finals, could've had Durant or at least, a healthy Oden, could've gone to the Finals had they beaten Dallas last season.

[MaxFly]

The Lakers ran out to a 3-1 lead in that series and took their foot off of the gas. To their credit, the Blazers played excellent basketball to even things up, but most expected that 67 win Lakers team to get past the Blazers and to the finals that year. Expectations really turned after game 6 when it became obvious that the Blazers weren't going to lay down. The Lakers getting to the finals stopped being such a certainty.

How did the Blazers manage to lose game 7... Kobe Bryant...

At that point, I'd never seen a sidekick step up like that and infuse a whole team with energy. He led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists and blocks. He also did it with a confidence that mirrored the confidence he had when he air-balled those three shots in Utah a few years previously. You could tell he was just waiting to have another opportunity like that.

[OmniStrife]

It's because my Blazers are a could've team.

They could've drafted Jordan, could've drafted Bird, could've kept Moses Malone, could've been a dynasty in the late 70's had Walton been healthy, could've had Sabonis-prime, could've won the 2000 Finals, could've had Durant or at least, a healthy Oden, could've gone to the Finals had they beaten Dallas last season.
Suns fan here, I know how it feels.

[Doranku]

The Lakers ran out to a 3-1 lead in that series and took their foot off of the gas. To their credit, the Blazers played excellent basketball to even things up, but most expected that 67 win Lakers team to get past the Blazers and to the finals that year. Expectations really turned after game 6 when it became obvious that the Blazers weren't going to lay down. The Lakers getting to the finals stopped being such a certainty.

How did the Blazers manage to lose game 7... Kobe Bryant...

At that point, I'd never seen a sidekick step up like that and infuse a whole team with energy. He led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists and blocks. He also did it with a confidence that mirrored the confidence he had when he air-balled those three shots in Utah a few years previously. You could tell he was just waiting to have another opportunity like that.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

And then he had that game against Indiana where Shaq fouled out and he just took over in OT to give the Lakers a dominating 3-1 lead.

The 2000 playoffs were huge for Kobe in molding the player who he is today, imo.

[Nick Young]

Suns fan here, I know how it feels.
Lol suns fans get over yourselves you never ever had a legit chance at a title, a running team with Amare as the defensive centerpiece will never go anywhere no matter how stacked you are at every other position, be glad with your two lucky playoff victories against the Lakers (and even then Kobe accompanied by Mihm, Kwame and the worst PG in NBA history Smush Parker took your overrated team to 7 games LAWL) and let it go.

[clipps]

http://www.fearthebeard.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mike_dunleavy_sr_in_gray_suit_gestures_during_a_cl ipper_game.jpg

Here's a main facter

[aj242]

Fixed.

Nah! Kobe became the best player by the middle of the 03' season.

[The_Yearning]

Honestly, the Lakers just got lucky in game 7. If you actually watched the game, Shaq had tears rolling down his eyes in the 4th quarter because he thought his season was f*cking over...

Another thing I like to add... Kobe was fearless and didn't had the estrogen that Shaq possessed in crunch time.

[OldSchoolBBall]

How did the Blazers manage to lose game 7... Kobe Bryant...


Wow, such revisionist history. :oldlol: You sure it wasn't Portland going 3-19 from the field in the 4th along with a BALANCED attack from LA? What a joke. Here's what was done in the final 11:00 of that game and by whom (I just watched the video):

Kobe: 2-6 FG, 3-6 FT for 7 points and 1 assist (there was a very weak foul called for him with 1:35 left, Walton called it "a bailout"). Intentionally fouled with 25 seconds left for his final 2 FT's with Portland down.

Shaq: 3-3 FG, 3-4 FT for 9 points (2 off. rebounds)

Shaw: 2-3 FG for 6 points, 1 steal (ties game at 4:25 with huge momentum 3-pointer)

Horry: 1-1 FG, 3-6 FT for 6 points (intentionally fouled with 11 seconds left for his final 2 FT's with Portland down).


At that point, I'd never seen a sidekick step up like that and infuse a whole team with energy. He led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists and blocks. He also did it with a confidence that mirrored the confidence he had when he air-balled those three shots in Utah a few years previously. You could tell he was just waiting to have another opportunity like that.

Yeah, he led the team in all that, but Portland was still up by 15 points early in the 4th, so his exploits didn't have much effect. The PRIMARY reason Portland lost is that all of their players' balls disappeared and they choked horribly (3-19 FG in the 4th) along with great Laker defense and a balanced offensive attack. lol @ suggesting that Kobe was the reason they lost that game - his play didn't help prevent a huge lead for Portland in the 4th, and what brought them back from that deficit was Portland's choking, LA's defense, and a balanced offensive attack. Period. Stop with the revisionist history.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yet Shaq was the best player on the team from 96-02!


Shaq was never the best "player" in any time frame....the man's game consisted of poor footwork 3' from the rim and relying pure size and physical strength..

Kobe was the First option in the 4th quarters and by far the best allaround player on the team...

when the opponent is fouling you on purpose to get the ball back because you lack the fundemental's to close the game then you know you should put in work to get better..Shaq was far too Lazy.

[AlphaWolf24]

Wow, such revisionist history. :oldlol: You sure it wasn't Portland going 3-19 from the field in the 4th along with a BALANCED attack from LA? What a joke. Here's what was done in the final 11:00 of that game and by whom (I just watched the video):

Kobe: 2-6 FG, 3-6 FT for 7 points and 1 assist (there was a very weak foul called for him with 1:35 left, Walton called it "a bailout"). Intentionally fouled with 25 seconds left for his final 2 FT's with Portland down.

Shaq: 3-3 FG, 3-4 FT for 9 points (2 off. rebounds)

Shaw: 2-3 FG for 6 points, 1 steal (ties game at 4:25 with huge momentum 3-pointer)

Horry: 1-1 FG, 3-6 FT for 6 points (intentionally fouled with 11 seconds left for his final 2 FT's with Portland down).



Yeah, he led the team in all that, but Portland was still up by 15 points early in the 4th, so his exploits didn't have much effect. The PRIMARY reason Portland lost is that all of their players' balls disappeared and they choked horribly (3-19 FG in the 4th) along with great Laker defense and a balanced offensive attack. lol @ suggesting that Kobe was the reason they lost that game - his play didn't help prevent a huge lead for Portland in the 4th, and what brought them back from that deficit was Portland's choking, LA's defense, and a balanced offensive attack. Period. Stop with the revisionist history.

Just stop it..Kobe Fueled the Comeback and was the lakers best player...

he was everywhere and scored or assisted on all of the lakers 8 points in the closing minutes to take the lead and seal the win...

Kobe Bryant was the best player ..



your hatred is silly and petty...
next

[OldSchoolBBall]

Just stop it..Kobe Fueled the Comeback and was the lakers best player...

he was everywhere and scored or assisted on all of the lakers 8 points in the closing minutes to take the lead and seal the win...

Kobe Bryant was the best player ..

He was their best player in the game overall, but not in the 4th (that was Shaq if you had to pick anyone, but like I said it was a balanced attack). He was not "everywhere" unless if by "everywhere" you mean clanging several shots in the final 7:30. He most certainly did NOT score or assist on the Lakers' final 8 points (even if you exclude the intentional fouling by Portland at the end). He had ONE basket with 1:25 left and an assist to Shaq with 42 seconds left. That was the extent of his positive contribution over the final 6:00. Aside from that he missed a few shots from the field. Anyone can watch the final 11:00 starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27vW0L8E-MI&feature=related

I tallied all the numbers by hand. Get outta here with your lying nonsense. :oldlol: lol @ "Kobe fueled the comeback" when he did bubkes from the 8:30-1:30 mark, which is when LA cut the lead from 13 to 2.

[BlackJoker23]

maxfly its ok to come out of the closet

[ShaqAttack3234]

He was their best player in the game overall, but not in the 4th (that was Shaq if you had to pick anyone, but like I said it was a balanced attack). He was not "everywhere" unless if by "everywhere" you mean clanging several shots in the final 7:30. He most certainly did NOT score or assist on the Lakers' final 8 points (even if you exclude the intentional fouling by Portland at the end). He had ONE basket with 1:25 left and an assist to Shaq with 42 seconds left. That was the extent of his positive contribution over the final 6:00. Aside from that he missed a few shots from the field. Anyone can watch the final 11:00 starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27vW0L8E-MI&feature=related

I tallied all the numbers by hand. Get outta here with your lying nonsense. :oldlol: lol @ "Kobe fueled the comeback" when he did bubkes from the 8:30-1:30 mark, which is when LA cut the lead from 13 to 2.

Just ignore AlphaWolf, he's been proven to have posted false information such as when he represented Shaq and Kobe's 4th quarter stats from the WCSF and WCF in '02 as the 4th quarter stats for the entire playoff runs.

I try to avoid wasting time with him at this point, gave him a fair shot to see if he was reasonable, semi-intelligent or interested in attempting to have real basketball discussions, but as you probably know, he's not.

The funny thing about this 4th quarter stuff is that Shaq's 4th quarter stats for the 2000 playoffs blow Kobe's away and yet he's using the 4th quarter as a reason why Shaq was never the best player. For example, Shaq averaged 9.2 ppg in the 4th quarter in the 2000 WCF and 11.5 ppg in the 2000 finals 4th quarters.

And while I don't have the numbers for the 2001 run, based on everything I know about that run, neither had 4th quarter numbers that really separated one from the other or stood out that much in general due to the blowouts.

I probably shouldn't have even acknowledged him, but it is annoying when false information is spread because people who don't know any better often believe it.

Then again, AlphaWolf is the same guy who is so desperate to rank Kobe as high as possible that he actually relies on the casual fans opinion as some kind of proof. His reasoning being that only "hardcore fans" don't have Kobe top 5 and think Shaq was the best player during the 3peat.

Somehow following the sport more makes you know less about the game by his logic.....

[Gotterdammerung]

Sabonis fouled out with under 3 minutes to go.

Cue Blazers meltdown. :banghead:

[AlphaWolf24]

He was their best player in the game overall, but not in the 4th (that was Shaq if you had to pick anyone, but like I said it was a balanced attack). He was not "everywhere" unless if by "everywhere" you mean clanging several shots in the final 7:30. He most certainly did NOT score or assist on the Lakers' final 8 points (even if you exclude the intentional fouling by Portland at the end). He had ONE basket with 1:25 left and an assist to Shaq with 42 seconds left. That was the extent of his positive contribution over the final 6:00. Aside from that he missed a few shots from the field. Anyone can watch the final 11:00 starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27vW0L8E-MI&feature=related

I tallied all the numbers by hand. Get outta here with your lying nonsense. :oldlol: lol @ "Kobe fueled the comeback" when he did bubkes from the 8:30-1:30 mark, which is when LA cut the lead from 13 to 2.


4th quarter 5:50 - Kobe hits a 15' jumpshot over Scottie Pippen -

score Por 75 - 72 LA

4th quarter 4:00 - Brian Shaw hit's 3 pointer Game tied 75 - 75

4th quarter 2:45 - Sabonis Fouls Oneal , Shaq makes both score tied 77 - 77

4th Quarter 2:05 - Shaq makes a 5' turn around bank shot L.A. 79 - Por 77

(Shaq goaltends Rasheeds jumpshot score tied again 79 - 79)

4th quarter 1:35 - Kobe drives right and is fouled by Rasheed, makes both freethrows L.A. 81 - Por 79

(Shaq fouls Rasheed Rasheed misses both)

4th quarter 1:10 - Kobe hits a 20' jumper in Pippen's grill L.A. 83 - Por 79

4th quarter .41 - Kobe pressured by Pippen at half court....he crosses up Pippen at the 3pt line gets inside the key and throws a perfect lob pass over 2 defenders to a cutting Shaq L.A. 85 - Por 79

4th quarter .34 - Sheed hits a 3 pointer L.A. 85 - por 82

4th quarter .30 - Ron Harper hits 1 freethrow L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .25 - Kobe rebounds Steve Smith missed layup....is fouled and misses 2 freethrows L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .18 - Horry Fouled and makes 2 freethrows L.A. 88 - por 82

4th quarter .11 after a DSTAD layup Horry fouled again and misses both score L.A - 88 por - 84

4th quarter .5 Horry makes 1 freethrow L.A. 89 - por 85....

game over


6 points in the Final 5:50.....including scoring the points that gave L.A. the lead inside 2 minutes and creating and assisting for the closing to Shaq





Kobe's line in this game: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks and the best player of the game and the player that fueled the comeback....and closed the door on Scottie Pippen




(opens pocket)....get in son!

[D.J.]

How did they lose? Simple. They blew a 15 point, 4th quarter lead in game 7.

[AlphaWolf24]

Just ignore AlphaWolf, he's been proven to have posted false information such as when he represented Shaq and Kobe's 4th quarter stats from the WCSF and WCF in '02 as the 4th quarter stats for the entire playoff runs.

I try to avoid wasting time with him at this point, gave him a fair shot to see if he was reasonable, semi-intelligent or interested in attempting to have real basketball discussions, but as you probably know, he's not.

The funny thing about this 4th quarter stuff is that Shaq's 4th quarter stats for the 2000 playoffs blow Kobe's away and yet he's using the 4th quarter as a reason why Shaq was never the best player. For example, Shaq averaged 9.2 ppg in the 4th quarter in the 2000 WCF and 11.5 ppg in the 2000 finals 4th quarters.

And while I don't have the numbers for the 2001 run, based on everything I know about that run, neither had 4th quarter numbers that really separated one from the other or stood out that much in general due to the blowouts.

I probably shouldn't have even acknowledged him, but it is annoying when false information is spread because people who don't know any better often believe it.

Then again, AlphaWolf is the same guy who is so desperate to rank Kobe as high as possible that he actually relies on the casual fans opinion as some kind of proof. His reasoning being that only "hardcore fans" don't have Kobe top 5 and think Shaq was the best player during the 3peat.

Somehow following the sport more makes you know less about the game by his logic.....

:lol coming from the guy who uses the Sacramento bee and some random newspaper in texas to prove how Kobe was hindering Shaq.

U MAD becuase you spew B.S. trying to say Kobe wasn't viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA/on the Lakers as early as 2001...GTFO. I been following basketball longer then you and have alot more knowlege then you and Pete Newell put together...

all my 4th quarter statistics were correct....the only ones that had discrepencies were the 00' playoff run....

Kobe was the first option in the 4th quarters for 01' and 02'....and the teams best allaround player...

you would think "Hardcore" fan would have recognized.....but your elitist mentality has got u twisted...



get back in my pocket son..




next

[MiseryCityTexas]

I mean they had Sabonis and Rasheed to check Shaq not to mention JO on the bench who hardly played but was still there.

Bonzi Wells and Scottie Pippen to try to slow down Kobe (Lawl I know an impossible task)

Not to mention a 50 point man Damon Staudamire.


So how did the Blazers manage to lose to the Lakers, it really shows you the greatness of Shaq there, despite playing with so many disadvantages he still managed to will his team to victory over a much more talented foe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw
relive the great memories!

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[AlphaWolf24]

Originally Posted by Nick Young
I mean they had Sabonis and Rasheed to check Shaq not to mention JO on the bench who hardly played but was still there.

Bonzi Wells and Scottie Pippen to try to slow down Kobe (Lawl I know an impossible task)

Not to mention a 50 point man Damon Staudamire.


So how did the Blazers manage to lose to the Lakers, it really shows you the laziness of Shaq there, despite playing against an old decrepid player with so many injuries he still relied on Kobe to will the Lakers to victory .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw
relive the great memories!


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[ukplayer4]

I mean they had Sabonis and Rasheed to check Shaq not to mention JO on the bench who hardly played but was still there.

Bonzi Wells and Scottie Pippen to try to slow down Kobe (Lawl I know an impossible task)

Not to mention a 50 point man Damon Staudamire.


So how did the Blazers manage to lose to the Lakers, it really shows you the greatness of Kobe there, despite playing with so many disadvantages he still managed to will his team to victory over a much more talented foe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw
relive the great memories!


kobe got abused all series by everyone he checked.

[Jacks3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27vW0L8E-MI&feature=related[/url]

I tallied all the numbers by hand. Get outta here with your lying nonsense. :oldlol: lol @ "Kobe fueled the comeback" when he did bubkes from the 8:30-1:30 mark, which is when LA cut the lead from 13 to 2.
lol @ this idiot. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

4th quarter 5:50 - Kobe hits a 15' jumpshot over Scottie Pippen -

score Por 75 - 72 LA

4th quarter 4:00 - Brian Shaw hit's 3 pointer Game tied 75 - 75

4th quarter 2:45 - Sabonis Fouls Oneal , Shaq makes both score tied 77 - 77

4th Quarter 2:05 - Shaq makes a 5' turn around bank shot L.A. 79 - Por 77

(Shaq goaltends Rasheeds jumpshot score tied again 79 - 79)

4th quarter 1:35 - Kobe drives right and is fouled by Rasheed, makes both freethrows L.A. 81 - Por 79

(Shaq fouls Rasheed Rasheed misses both)

4th quarter 1:10 - Kobe hits a 20' jumper in Pippen's grill L.A. 83 - Por 79

4th quarter .41 - Kobe pressured by Pippen at half court....he crosses up Pippen at the 3pt line gets inside the key and throws a perfect lob pass over 2 defenders to a cutting Shaq L.A. 85 - Por 79

4th quarter .34 - Sheed hits a 3 pointer L.A. 85 - por 82

4th quarter .30 - Ron Harper hits 1 freethrow L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .25 - Kobe rebounds Steve Smith missed layup....is fouled and misses 2 freethrows L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .18 - Horry Fouled and makes 2 freethrows L.A. 88 - por 82

4th quarter .11 after a DSTAD layup Horry fouled again and misses both score L.A - 88 por - 84

4th quarter .5 Horry makes 1 freethrow L.A. 89 - por 85....

game over


6 points in the Final 5:50.....including scoring the points that gave L.A. the lead inside 2 minutes and creating and assisting for the closing to Shaq





Kobe's line in this game: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks and the best player of the game and the player that fueled the comeback....and closed the door on Scottie Pippen




(opens pocket)....get in son!
Ether. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

kobe got abused all series by everyone he checked.
****ing moron. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

Kobe was their best player in Game 7 of 2000, and Game 7 of 2002.

Haters mad. :oldlol:

[The_Yearning]

4th quarter 5:50 - Kobe hits a 15' jumpshot over Scottie Pippen -

score Por 75 - 72 LA

4th quarter 4:00 - Brian Shaw hit's 3 pointer Game tied 75 - 75

4th quarter 2:45 - Sabonis Fouls Oneal , Shaq makes both score tied 77 - 77

4th Quarter 2:05 - Shaq makes a 5' turn around bank shot L.A. 79 - Por 77

(Shaq goaltends Rasheeds jumpshot score tied again 79 - 79)

4th quarter 1:35 - Kobe drives right and is fouled by Rasheed, makes both freethrows L.A. 81 - Por 79

(Shaq fouls Rasheed Rasheed misses both)

4th quarter 1:10 - Kobe hits a 20' jumper in Pippen's grill L.A. 83 - Por 79

4th quarter .41 - Kobe pressured by Pippen at half court....he crosses up Pippen at the 3pt line gets inside the key and throws a perfect lob pass over 2 defenders to a cutting Shaq L.A. 85 - Por 79

4th quarter .34 - Sheed hits a 3 pointer L.A. 85 - por 82

4th quarter .30 - Ron Harper hits 1 freethrow L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .25 - Kobe rebounds Steve Smith missed layup....is fouled and misses 2 freethrows L.A. 86 - por 82

4th quarter .18 - Horry Fouled and makes 2 freethrows L.A. 88 - por 82

4th quarter .11 after a DSTAD layup Horry fouled again and misses both score L.A - 88 por - 84

4th quarter .5 Horry makes 1 freethrow L.A. 89 - por 85....

game over


6 points in the Final 5:50.....including scoring the points that gave L.A. the lead inside 2 minutes and creating and assisting for the closing to Shaq





Kobe's line in this game: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks and the best player of the game and the player that fueled the comeback....and closed the door on Scottie Pippen




(opens pocket)....get in son!

You suicidal?

[raptorfan_dr07]

kobe got abused all series by everyone he checked.

Steve Smith was sh*tting on him all series long.



U MAD becuase you spew B.S. trying to say Kobe wasn't viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA/on the Lakers as early as 2001...GTFO. I been following basketball longer then you and have alot more knowlege then you and Pete Newell put together...


No he wasn't. Allen Iverson was better in 2001. Vince Carter was debatable. Tracy McGrady was better in 2002 and 2003.

And stop lying. You're incoherent rants and raves of utter bullsh*t sound like a attention starved 13 year old. You're a prepubescent dumb@$$ who started watching basketball in 2006. You don't know sh*t about the game. You're sole knowledge of basketball comes from the Kobe mixes you wack off to on youtube in your mother's basement every night because that's the only action you're ever gonna get. I'd be surprised if you've even talked to a woman before. You're a disgrace to TRUE Lakers fans and REAL fans of basketball. At least someone like TheLogo is somewhat humorous with his trolling.

And ShaqAttack is actually a Kobe fan and thinks very highly of him. Ranks him higher than most people do. He just knows BS when he sees it and that's all you ever post. BS, lies, and revisionist history.

[Jacks3]

No he wasn't. Allen Iverson was better in 2001. Vince Carter was debatable. Tracy McGrady was better in 2002 and 2003.



.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

****ing idiot. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hondo]

Rasheed Wallace ended up having the series of his life. Through the first 5 seasons of his life, Rasheed had four 30+ point games(3 of them in the '96-'97 season and 1 in 2000). But in the 2000 WCF, he had two in that series. He also had a 29/12 game in game 2. In fact, after game 1(when he was ejected, iirc and only played 16 minutes), Rasheed averaged 25.3 ppg over the final 6 games.


It's worth pointing out, that when Rasheed was switched on, was the best power forward in the league. By far the most unstoppable player in the post other than Shaq since Olajuwon.

[Duncan21formvp]

I mean they had Sabonis and Rasheed to check Shaq not to mention JO on the bench who hardly played but was still there.

Bonzi Wells and Scottie Pippen to try to slow down Kobe (Lawl I know an impossible task)

Not to mention a 50 point man Damon Staudamire.


So how did the Blazers manage to lose to the Lakers, it really shows you the greatness of Kobe there, despite playing with so many disadvantages he still managed to will his team to victory over a much more talented foe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw
relive the great memories!
It was nothing but a team with a bunch of old vets out of there primes who were down 3-1.
The bigger question is how would the Spurs/Lakers match had gone if Duncan doesn't get injured?

[ShaqAttack3234]

:lol coming from the guy who uses the Sacramento bee and some random newspaper in texas to prove how Kobe was hindering Shaq.

Or...his own coach saying in the 2000-2001 season that he'd bench Kobe if he had more quickness on the perimeter defensively to fill in for him.

He was ignoring how his coach wanted him to play, and was quoted as saying that he wanted a league MVP and scoring title and couldn't do it in LA. It's obvious that Kobe was playing selfishly in the first half of the season, and he's made comments that make his agenda obvious. He talked about how he had to play better than Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady just to get the same recognition.

It's common knowledge that Kobe was hurting the team early in the 2000-2001 season. It's no coincidence that they went 11-3 with Kobe out of the lineup and really got going because of that due to Kobe playing team basketball when he came back.

You can write it off as me being a hater or whatever, but it's the truth. You lose all credibility when you act like your favorite player is never at fault. That would be like me saying that Shaq doesn't deserve blame for the Lakers underachieving in 2002-2003 during the regular season due to him delaying his toe surgery.


U MAD becuase you spew B.S. trying to say Kobe wasn't viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA/on the Lakers as early as 2001...GTFO. I been following basketball longer then you and have alot more knowlege then you and Pete Newell put together...

:oldlol: Larry Brown has been following basketball longer than either of us, has been in the game for years and said in 2001 that he's never seen a better player than Shaq and followed that up by repeating that he meant it.


all my 4th quarter statistics were correct....the only ones that had discrepencies were the 00' playoff run....

No, you posted his 4th quarter stats for the '02 WCSF and '02 WCF and stated they were 4th quarter stats for the entire '01 and '02 playoff runs.


Kobe was the first option in the 4th quarters for 01' and 02'....and the teams best allaround player...

Funny how well they did without their "best all around player" those 2 seasons. Went 13-3, yet with Shaq out during those 2 seasons, they were barely above .500(12-11)


you would think "Hardcore" fan would have recognized.....but your elitist mentality has got u twisted...

Perhaps some day you'll be interested in facts, but I'll let you go back to this creepy hero worship. If you really are 37 and talk like this and worship a man whose younger than you this much, then I really feel sorry for you.

You're an exact replica of the 15 year old trolls, which is pathetic if you're as old as you claim.


get back in my pocket son..




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:roll: Where the hell did this guy come from?

[AlphaWolf24]

ShaqAttack3234Or...his own coach saying in the 2000-2001 season that he'd bench Kobe if he had more quickness on the perimeter defensively to fill in for him.

He was ignoring how his coach wanted him to play, and was quoted as saying that he wanted a league MVP and scoring title and couldn't do it in LA. It's obvious that Kobe was playing selfishly in the first half of the season, and he's made comments that make his agenda obvious. He talked about how he had to play better than Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady just to get the same recognition.

It's common knowledge that Kobe was hurting the team early in the 2000-2001 season. It's no coincidence that they went 11-3 with Kobe out of the lineup and really got going because of that due to Kobe playing team basketball when he came back.

Here you go again...spewing your same ol' garbage....Kobe was playing outta his mind early in 2001 season....5 straight games of 32PPG - 35PPG..then came..43 vs the Spurs , 40 vs the Mavs , 36 vs A.I. and the sixers (while holding A.I. in check) ,51 vs the Warriors,42 Points on Air Canada (while merking, "vince") , 01' was the emergence of the "Kobe era" , it was the preview of the next 10 years of 28PPG 6REB 5AST as the premiere player of the NBA...you want quotes?....

01' Playoff's (the real NBA Finals) vs the Spurs...Shaq - "Kobe is the best player in the world right now"...Phil - "He is the best allaround player I ever coached"




You can write it off as me being a hater or whatever, but it's the truth. You lose all credibility when you act like your favorite player is never at fault. That would be like me saying that Shaq doesn't deserve blame for the Lakers underachieving in 2002-2003 during the regular season due to him delaying his toe surgery.




Oh Shut the hell up "Shaq Attack":rolleyes: ....U lose all credibility with that stupid screen name and quoting the Sacremento Bee:lol ...you seriously calling others biased fanboys with a screen name of Shaq Attack???...(points)...GTFO!



:oldlol: Larry Brown has been following basketball longer than either of us, has been in the game for years and said in 2001 that he's never seen a better player than Shaq and followed that up by repeating that he meant it.

Great!.....I'll stick with the coaches and players who played with against or Coached Kobe and in some cases Jordan also.....all of them say Kobe is on MJ's level and in some opinions better...

also Many GM's don't feel Shaq is as important as Kobe...who got traded what is it 7 times now?.....




No, you posted his 4th quarter stats for the '02 WCSF and '02 WCF and stated they were 4th quarter stats for the entire '01 and '02 playoff runs.



I posted Both.....many times...you can go look for them.:lol


Funny how well they did without their "best all around player" those 2 seasons. Went 13-3, yet with Shaq out during those 2 seasons, they were barely above .500(12-11)



what's also funny is how many good/great teams Shaq has played on without Kobe, yet he got merked in the Postseason because he didn't have a player with Kobe's ability to take over late in Games....except Wade in 06' getting 30 freethrows.

Shaq played on 7 teams capable of winning it all without KObe....

Kobe replaced Shaq with a soft Euro and turned him into Greatness....




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Perhaps some day you'll be interested in facts, but I'll let you go back to this creepy hero worship. If you really are 37 and talk like this and worship a man whose younger than you this much, then I really feel sorry for you.

You're an exact replica of the 15 year old trolls, which is pathetic if you're as old as you claim.

creepy hero worship?....ok "Shaq Attack":rolleyes: ...don't feel sorry for me.....your the one reading my posts and Hating, without me you would be reading the Sacremento Bee right now.

I'm just having fun talking hoop and recognizing game....from 7 years old to 37 years old I keep it elementary....




:roll: Where the hell did this guy come from?

High in the SKY!!!!..

(opens pocket)

[ShaqAttack3234]

Here you go again...spewing your same ol' garbage....Kobe was playing outta his mind early in 2001 season....5 straight games of 32PPG - 35PPG..then came..43 vs the Spurs , 40 vs the Mavs , 36 vs A.I. and the sixers (while holding A.I. in check) ,51 vs the Warriors,42 Points on Air Canada (while merking, "vince") , 01' was the emergence of the "Kobe era" , it was the preview of the next 10 years of 28PPG 6REB 5AST as the premiere player of the NBA...

As Phil himself said in December 2000 when Kobe was apparently proving to be the best player in the league according to you.


"If we had a little bit better defensive speed and quickness, I'd probably bench him," said Jackson

Oh and this one from his book.


We were having a hard enough time beating teams we had beaten the year before. Shaq put it best on January 15th after an overtime win over Vancouver when he said to the press, "Hey, check it out for yourself; last year at this time we were 30 and 7, this year we're 25-12."

http://books.google.com/books?id=PfmN_pM0qF0C&pg=PA189&dq=shaq+said+it+best+phil+jackson+more+than+a+game&hl=en&ei=OftrTqWhMcvogQeljqXeBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=shaq%20said%20it%20best&f=false


01' Playoff's (the real NBA Finals) vs the Spurs...Shaq - "Kobe is the best player in the world right now"...Phil - "He is the best allaround player I ever coached"


First of all, how were the WCF the "real NBA Finals" when the actual finals were far more competitive? Philly actually won a game and the 5 games were generally close while LA swept San Antonio by 22 ppg.

And to add to that, if playing against Philly was so easy(nevermind Shaq facing a more respected defender than Kobe faced vs Philly or San Antonio) then why didn't Kobe dominate Philly? If Shaq dropping 33/16/5/3 on 57% shooting was easy then why was Kobe only putting up 25/8/6 on 42% shooting?

Oh, and here's the actual quote.


"I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it. I never asked Michael to be a playmaker. That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020212.html

When you don't have an agenda, you can include entire quotes with the context and not feel a need to misrepresent anything.

Look at the bolded part, right after saying he thought Kobe was playing better than any player he's coached with an overall court game, he went on to refer to Jordan as the best player he's ever coached. So clearly Phil's quote doesn't mean he thought Kobe was the best player period, he was talking primarily about being a playmaker if you actually read the quote.


Oh Shut the hell up "Shaq Attack":rolleyes: ....U lose all credibility with that stupid screen name and quoting the Sacremento Bee:lol ...you seriously calling others biased fanboys with a screen name of Shaq Attack???...(points)...GTFO!

:oldlol: Exactly the kind of response I'd expect when you don't have a real response. I post about many other players without bringing Shaq up, you seem to have trouble doing that with Kobe. Screen names are irrelevant in terms of judging how biased someone is. Their posts are much better evidence, and I'd bet that if you made a poll on this board, you'd be voted more biased in a landslide.


Great!.....I'll stick with the coaches and players who played with against or Coached Kobe and in some cases Jordan also.....all of them say Kobe is on MJ's level and in some opinions better...

also Many GM's don't feel Shaq is as important as Kobe...who got traded what is it 7 times now?.....

He was never traded by that point(2001), Shaq's value in his 30's has nothing to do with his value at 28 in fact, it was Kobe who was more likely to be traded during that time. This was from 2001.


Coach Phil Jackson had warned Kobe that the spat with Shaq could even jeopardize his Laker career.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2001/06/03/kobe-thanks-for-sharing.html

Go look up those yearly GM polls on who general managers would rather have, Shaq was the first choice during those 3peat years, and the guy who first took over in those polls was Duncan, not Kobe.

October 20, 2003


Even last season, when Shaq "struggled" in the first half, general managers in our annual top-players survey overwhelmingly voted Shaq the No. 1 player.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_42_227/ai_110404214/

And no, not all of the coaches and players from that era have said Kobe was on Jordan's level or better, what are you talking about?

And if you want to hear what player's have to say....



It was only four years ago that Hardaway was O'Neal's multitalented partner, the flash to Shaq's bash. To Hardaway, watching Bryant complement O'Neal with spectacular slashes to the hoop and smothering defense in Game I was like seeing another actor excel in the role he himself originated. "The way they work together looks a lot like what Shaq and I used to do," Hardaway said after O'Neal scored 37 points and Bryant added 25 in Game I. " Shaq takes so much pressure off you. He opens things up for Kobe."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1019218/index.htm


I posted Both.....many times...you can go look for them.:lol

:oldlol: Already proven wrong.


what's also funny is how many good/great teams Shaq has played on without Kobe, yet he got merked in the Postseason because he didn't have a player with Kobe's ability to take over late in Games....except Wade in 06' getting 30 freethrows.

Shaq played on 7 teams capable of winning it all without KObe....

Kobe replaced Shaq with a soft Euro and turned him into Greatness....

You do realize that Shaq was producing FAR more than Kobe in the 4th quarters of the 2000 playoffs, right? I'm talking over 9 ppg in the '00 WCF 4th quarters and 11.5 in the 2000 finals 4th quarters, both on great efficiency. But yeah, that's why he couldn't win a title before Kobe. :oldlol: Funny considering how much he was scoring in 4th quarters in the first title he actually won.

And :oldlol: at Gasol "replacing" Shaq.

Yeah, Shaq left, and Pau came in and replaced him with the same core around them. :rolleyes: Shaq was traded in 2004, the Lakers acquired Pau in 2008 and other than Kobe and Fisher, who else was on the roster from the 2009 champions and the 2002 Lakers roster?

Pau didn't replace Shaq, Pau didn't do this over 3 seasons.

Regular Season- 28.6 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2.6 bpg, 57.5 FG%
Playoffs- 29.9 ppg, 14.5 rpg, 3.0 apg, 2.4 bpg, 55.2 FG%
Finals- 35.9 ppg, 15.2 rpg, 3.5 apg, 3.2 bpg, 59.5 FG%

Pau didn't lead the Lakers in scoring 3 consecutive years in the regular season, playoffs and finals. Pau didn't finished higher than Kobe in MVP voting 3 consecutive years and win finals MVP all 3 years.

I really don't even know why you attempt to argue with me. I win every single time, and this will continue.

[BlackJoker23]

shaqattack destroying alphawolf:bowdown:

[Jacks3]

Alphawolf destroying all the pathetic haters. :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Shaqattack vs alphawolf:
http://i51.tinypic.com/282gd8h.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

ShaqAttack3234]As Phil himself said in December 2000 when Kobe was apparently proving to be the best player in the league according to you.



Oh and this one from his book.



http://books.google.com/books?id=PfmN_pM0qF0C&pg=PA189&dq=shaq+said+it+best+phil+jackson+more+than+a+game&hl=en&ei=OftrTqWhMcvogQeljqXeBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=shaq%20said%20it%20best&f=false

:blah :blah :blah .....that's all you doing...Phil already came back and coached 3 more Final teams...and said he was wrong...."any team with KObe has a chance for a championship"...you stumblin and mumblin...I'm talking about 01'..and your bringing up 00'???

AGAIN , ...in 01' the actual quote , "But Michael Jordan? In a chat about Bryant, Jackson said he has displayed a better "overall" game than any other player he has coached. That would include, um, Jordan. "It's the best I've ever seen a player of mine with an overall court game," he says. "I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."

then you spew this - "I never asked Michael to be a playmaker. That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

Take the wax outta your ears son!!....he considered MJ as the best player , the same way he considered KOBE the best...except he's askind MORE outta KOBE!..he said plain as day Kobe is a better allaround player!!!

and from your Big DEEZ Himself....Shaq 01' playoff's - Kobe as "my idol" and "the best player in the NBA, by far."



First of all, how were the WCF the "real NBA Finals" when the actual finals were far more competitive? Philly actually won a game and the 5 games were generally close while LA swept San Antonio by 22 ppg.

Because San Antonio was a better team....that's why...and L.A. knew if they got past S.A. that they would win the Title....as proven when they played like boo boo in Game 1 of the Finals and looked past Philly..


And to add to that, if playing against Philly was so easy(nevermind Shaq facing a more respected defender than Kobe faced vs Philly or San Antonio) then why didn't Kobe dominate Philly? If Shaq dropping 33/16/5/3 on 57% shooting was easy then why was Kobe only putting up 25/8/6 on 42% shooting?

so Your saying the sixers were a better team then S.A.???......cot damn son...you betta then that!

Oh, and here's the actual quote.






:oldlol: Exactly the kind of response I'd expect when you don't have a real response. I post about many other players without bringing Shaq up, you seem to have trouble doing that with Kobe. Screen names are irrelevant in terms of judging how biased someone is. Their posts are much better evidence, and I'd bet that if you made a poll on this board, you'd be voted more biased in a landslide.



You are a Elitist poster who def has some sort of shiesty bias to Hair Rock and the Sacramento bee...why?...who know's...maybe you get your kicks from Cowtown hating Kobe and L.A. for so many years....

Shaq got the boot and Kobe replaced him with a soft Euro...we kept on Winning, Shaq wasn't really that important after all....

but it's ok....he was still great , well.......he was Big.


He was never traded by that point(2001), Shaq's value in his 30's has nothing to do with his value at 28 in fact, it was Kobe who was more likely to be traded during that time. This was from 2001.


Shaq value??.....dude was treated like a stepson in his prime By Orlando Fans......been traded so many times....dude fell outta his prime faster then Kazaam fell outta the movie theatres...

Read the Fine Print.....even at 22 years old....the world Knew.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2173000/AlphaWolf-2173769_596_800.jpg



Get back in my pocket son!



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[AlphaWolf24]

Shaqattack vs alphawolf:
http://i51.tinypic.com/282gd8h.jpg


F@ck pillow slapping Boxing.....


Aldo>Pacman....

[ShaqAttack3234]

:blah :blah :blah .....that's all you doing...Phil already came back and coached 3 more Final teams...and said he was wrong...."any team with KObe has a chance for a championship"...you stumblin and mumblin...I'm talking about 01'..and your bringing up 00'???

That was from the 2000-2001 season, you know, the start of the season when you cited Kobe's stats ansaid


Take the wax outta your ears son!!....he considered MJ as the best player , the same way he considered KOBE the best...except he's askind MORE outta KOBE!..he said plain as day Kobe is a better allaround player!!!

:oldlol: no. He did say that he was asking Kobe to do more all around, but he clearly stated that he thought MJ was the greatest player and the greatest player that he coached in that same quote.


and from your Big DEEZ Himself....Shaq 01' playoff's - Kobe as "my idol" and "the best player in the NBA, by far."

So when Shaq calls Kobe selfish his word doesn't mean anything, but when he called Kobe the best, suddenly you use his word.

Shaq says a lot of things, nobody takes his quotes seriously. Remember, when he was talking up Wade and talking down Kobe when he went to Miami?

How about this gem from Shaq in 2008.


So some brave soul raised the possibility that the guy across the hall in TD Banknorth Garden — Boston Celtics forward Kevin Garnett -- might be in the discussion as well. O'Neal shook his head. No way.
"I'm going to have to go with my guy before him," he said, motioning to teammate Amare Stoudemire's locker. "All day, every day. Garnett doesn't play defense".

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Shaq-says-Kobe-MVP-puts-Stoudemire-ahead-of-Gar?urn=nba-73715

And you realize that teammates hype each other up all the time, right? Jordan said the Bulls were Pippen's team in '96 and Bird said Parish was the Celtics MVP in '82.


Because San Antonio was a better team....that's why...and L.A. knew if they got past S.A. that they would win the Title....as proven when they played like boo boo in Game 1 of the Finals and looked past Philly..

:roll: Hard to win a game when Kobe shoots 7/22 from the field, scores just 15 points, has just 3 rebounds and has more turnovers(6) than assists(5), and he wasn't exactly successful in his attempt to guard Iverson either.

There's no excuse for "looking past a team" in the finals, and if that was the case, Shaq certainly didn't. He had 44/20/5.


so Your saying the sixers were a better team then S.A.???......cot damn son...you betta then that!

The Spurs second leading scorer Derek Anderson was injured(their only real perimeter threat as well) and Popovich as well as other Spurs stated this was a big factor in the series, so they weren't the Spurs of the regular season.

And regardless, I can't call the "real NBA finals" a series that was far less competitive.

Even after the game 1 loss(and you know LA wasn't overlooking Philly then since they got a lot of heat for that loss), the Philly series was much more competitive the next 4 games. LA won by 9 in game 2(and where would they have been without Shaq's 28/20/9/8 game?), game 3 was a 5 point victory(and decided by some role player's clutch shots, iirc, I think Horry and maybe Fisher in particular each hit a huge shot or 2 down the stretch, otherwise, they could've been down 2-1), though games 4 and 5 were easier LA wins(won by 14 and 12, respectively, though still not approaching the 22 point margin a victory they average vs San Antonio.)


You are a Elitist poster who def has some sort of shiesty bias to Hair Rock and the Sacramento bee...why?...who know's...maybe you get your kicks from Cowtown hating Kobe and L.A. for so many years....

:confusedshrug:


Shaq got the boot and Kobe replaced him with a soft Euro...we kept on Winning, Shaq wasn't really that important after all....

Destroyed this trash.


Shaq value??.....dude was treated like a stepson in his prime By Orlando Fans......been traded so many times....dude fell outta his prime faster then Kazaam fell outta the movie theatres...

You mean when he was in his 30's and had been in the league a dozen or so years?(and had more elite years than Kobe, btw, Kobe has been elite at a later stage of his career, but Shaq was elite at an earlier stage, so the longevity argument holds no weight).


Read the Fine Print.....even at 22 years old....the world Knew.

Right, the casual fans are really the best way to judge the best player. :oldlol: The same type of guys who voted Iverson as one of the 2 starting guards in the East in '09.

I think I've effectively discredited you, so my job is done in this thread, I doubt anyone in this thread will see any of the misinformation you spread and believe it, which is the only reason why I bother debating with you.

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It was nothing but a team with a bunch of old vets out of there primes who were down 3-1.
The bigger question is how would the Spurs/Lakers match had gone if Duncan doesn't get injured?
Exactly. Sabonis was old, pippen was old. And I'm talking really old. I believe pippen was 34-35 as was sabnis. Their best players were steve smith and rasheed wallace. And that wasn't. Prime wallace either.