who had the better team, 02' Wizards or 11' Mavs

[AlphaWolf24]

02' Wizards..

Michael Jordan (38 1/2)
Brian Cardinal
Brendan Haywood
Jerry Stackhouse
Larry Hughes
Juan Dixon
Jared Jefferies
Charles Oakley
Christian laetneer
Byron Russell
Bobby Simmons
Etan Thomas
Kwame Brown

11' Mavs..

Dirk Nowitzki (33)
Brian Cardinal
Brendan Haywood
Jason terry (33)
Shawn merion
Jose Barea
Deshawn Stevenson
Tyson Chandler
Jason Kidd (38)
Peja Stojakavic
Rodrique Bleoivic
Corey Brewer
Sasha Pavlovic


:confusedshrug:

[guy]

Wow.

[AlphaWolf24]

Mavs easily. Jordan was still a pretty damn good player, but was no longer playing anywhere near GOAT level. Stackhouse and Hughes were solid, if flawed, players. No one else did anything particularly noteworthy. The Mavs had Dirk who is still playing at an elite level and a very well-rounded, if somewhat unspectacular, core. The Mavs didn't have as much firepower as the Lakers, Thunder or Heat, but were able to beat them all.


hmm.....Jordan's game was nearly identical to his 97 ' 98' game...to add he rested his body at least 3 years in his 30's giving him time to heal and play at a good level in his late 30's...

was he able to do things like 25 year old MJ?...of course not....but his ability was vastly underrated by his fans to make his 20PPG and 42fg% in the modern era seem like it was all due to him bieng too old.....when in fact it was due to modern defense bieng much more harder to score on...

MJ was a great athlete in peak shape year round...who rested his body many times in his career...37 - 38 year old Jordan was like a 33 - 35 year old modern player in todays era.


Wizards had much more playmakers and players who could create off the dribble for others....while the Mav's might have had a slight advantage inside it was minimal at best....

I think the 02' Wizards had better defensive minded players also.

[SCdac]

Let's not forget that Jason Kidd in his prime lead his team to back-to-back Finals appearances, and used to be a legit MVP candidate (him and T. Duncan were neck and neck in 2002 MVP race)...

could you say that particular kind of talent, leadership, and skill was in any of Jordan's teammates' past? Not talking presently, I'm saying, it's not like any of Jordan's teammates even used to be amazing, like some of Dirk's teammates were.

[guy]

hmm.....Jordan's game was nearly identical to his 97 ' 98' game...to add he rested his body at least 3 years in his 30's giving him time to heal and play at a good level in his late 30's...


He stopped using steroids after his 2nd retirement. Thats why he wasn't as good.

[AlphaWolf24]

Let's not forget that Jason Kidd in his prime lead his team to back-to-back Finals appearances, and used to be a legit MVP candidate (him and T. Duncan were neck and neck in 2002 MVP race)...

could you say that particular kind of talent, leadership, and skill was in any of Jordan's teammates' past? Not talking presently, I'm saying, it's not like any of Jordan's teammates even used to be amazing, like some of Dirk's teammates were.

Talent?...yes..Stack was a 25 - 30PPG 4and 4 player......Leadership?.....yes....

Oakley was one of the toughest players of his era....and a leader on every team he has played on.....

and by your theory..Michael Jordan had far more experience then a 33 year old Dirk...




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[AlphaWolf24]

Don't forget Shawn Marion and Peja Stojakovic, both former All-Stars.

Allstars..Stackhouse and Leatnner say HI.....all defensive First teammer larry Hughes says what's up!

[DirkNowitzki41]

02 Wizards had prime Brian Cardinal...

[AlphaWolf24]

This post is just all kinds of fail.:rolleyes:

Irony much?

[AlphaWolf24]

02 Wizards had prime Brian Cardinal...


and 11' Mavs had prime 5'7" Barea with a injured Matrix followed by peak Deshawn still can't C me.

[All Net]

:wtf:

[MeLO MvP 15]

Obvs the team with the GOAT.... Jared Jefferies


but for real real, the Mavs

[AlphaWolf24]

Let me break each team down, player by player...


Michael Jordan- near what he was in 97' 98', still a very good player though, although he could actually be stopped at this point in his career much like early in his career when he lost to quiker players.
Brian Cardinal-Trash.
Brendan Haywood-Eh.
Jerry Stackhouse-Good, scorer in his prime exploded for 30 PPG.a solid -21 PPG guy.
Larry Hughes-Solid player stud defensive perimeter player.
Juan Dixon-actually led his college team to a NCAA Title...unlike some
Jared Jefferies-He was shit then, he's shit now, and he always will be shit.
Charles Oakley-Barely played and was a nonfactor at this point.
Christian laetneer-Bum.
Byron Russell-great for the Jazz, Jordan has said many times that BRuss is a greatdefender
Bobby Simmons-Barely played and was a nonfactor.
Etan Thomas-Shit.
Kwame Brown-Shit.


Dirk Nowitzki-Great shooter with lackluster defense....before 11' was an epic choker until he manned up and worked insanly in the 10' offseason to become a better allaround player.
Brian Cardinal-Still trash.
Brendan Haywood-ol' garbage
Jason terry-Great 6th man in the mid 00's..but at 33 is just a spot up shooter, but not an ideal starter due to being undersized and a poor defender.
Shawn Marion-Nowhere the stud he was in Phoenix, hurt hamstring and was slower latterally, but ideally would come off the bench behind Caron Butler.
Jose Barea-at 5'7" forced LBJ to shoot fallaway J's
Deshawn Stevenson-Horrible offensive player, good defender. Meh.
Tyson Chandler-Solid center, very good defensive anchor.No threat anywhere beyond 3' from the basket
Jason Kidd-No longer an MVP candidate, he's still good at running an offense, but can't be counted on to score much anymore.
Peja Stojakavic-Nowhere near what he once was, reduced to being a spot shooter off the bench.
Rodrique Beaubois-Young player who should improve, was injured for the playoffs.
Corey Brewer-Defensive minded player, was hardly used in the playoffs.
Sasha Pavlovic-Played 10 games for them in the regular season and was traded to Celtics. LOL @ you including him to make the Mavericks look worse.


Fixed.........Wiz>Mav's..on paper

[AlphaWolf24]

Stackhouse had one season above 25 PPG. One. And he shotjacked a ridiculous amount to do it. Oakley scored 1.8 points per game on the Wizards. GTFO


Stackhouse>any player on the Mavs not named Dirk....GTFO with yo BS...

Stack was a Muf@cin beast in his heyday....

Leattner 8PPG and 8REB.....:bowdown: ....Tyson da Gawd 10PPG 9REB:lol

:roll: @ stans acting like the 11' Mavs are so much better.




oh yeah......Doug Collins> Ricky

[MasterDurant24]

The team that swept the reigning champs and beat a team that had two of the top 3 players in the leauge to take the championship. Easy choice.

[AlphaWolf24]

Stackhouse scored negative 21 points a game? :roll:


NO he scored 30PPG 5AST 4REB the year before he joined MJ.....name any player on the Mavs outside of Dirk that can claim that....




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[AlphaWolf24]

The team that swept the reigning champs and beat a team that had two of the top 3 players in the leauge to take the championship. Easy choice.


well so 2 teams with nearly Identical players except one team wins and the other loses.....



thanks....


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[AlphaWolf24]

Your agenda is so obvious. You're trying to discredit MJ because you know he shits on your boy Kobe, and at the same time you're trying to downplay how good the Mavs were because you're still mad they beat the shit out Kobe and the Lakers.

Calm down son.:lol


you gettin all "maniak" up in this piece....


No agenda needed......




wait..If I had an "agenda"...wouldn't I prop up the Mav's as the most stacked team..so L.A. would have an excuse.....that's what LBJ stans are doin..



and Kobe holds his own with any player ever....especially at 32 yers old.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah he also shot 40.2 percent and turned the ball over nearly as often as he got an assist.

like MJ's 42% was something to call home to mom about??...:lol


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[guy]

well so 2 teams with nearly Identical players except one team wins and the other loses.....



thanks....


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Are you arguing if 2011 Dirk is better then 2003 Jordan? Cause I'm not sure anyone would argue against that.

[AlphaWolf24]

Who said MJ was great on the Wizards? He was good, like Stackhouse. But MJ also had the GOAT career and was 40 years old, unlike Stackhouse.


Jordan was 37 - 38 years old coming off of 2 years of rest while still being on a strict work out regimen....

not to mention the other nearly 2 years he rested in his 30's.....quit making excuses...you sound like Lebron apologists...

Stackhouse was coming off a 30PPG 4AST 4REB season in his Prime....


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[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah, not even the biggest MJ homer could debate that.


oh yeah?.....before the 11' Finals?.....Jordan Jockers would have easily said 37 year old MJ>33 year old Dirk

[AlphaWolf24]

You have an agenda, dude, it's obvious to anyone who's seen you post before.

so you have been here 2 months and know my post history???

GTFO happy sock.

[apesta]

I think the biggest mistake was trading Hamilton for Stackhouse. I felt that Hamilton was a much better fit to Jordan than Stackhouse was.

[RRR3]

I think the biggest mistake was trading Hamilton for Stackhouse. I felt that Hamilton was a much better fit to Jordan than Stackhouse was.
Probably. Great trade for Pistons though.

[AlphaWolf24]

I don't need to make excuses for Jordan considering he's the greatest player who ever lived...

Too Young to win.....No Teamates ......Too Old....seem's like alot of excuses to me.

5 Losing seasons below .500......for the greatest player ever??.....most by far of all the top 7 GOAT's....won in a watered down era...

meh....best player of the 90's.....least valuable team player compared to other top 10's

[AlphaWolf24]

I don't know your post history and I never said that. I have seen you post more than one time before, and it's always about how Kobe is better than MJ. I don't think it's illogical for me to draw conclusions based upon that.


when?...I have stated many times I think they are at least comparable.....but I don't think I even posted about them in the aspect your saying in a long time.....

take your 2 months and scram....you a puppet master , you and I both know it.

[AlphaWolf24]

:sleeping


but you have only been her 2 months:rolleyes:

[Horatio33]

I bet alphawolf gets all kinds of pu55y.

Girl : "What do you do for fun?"

Alphawolf : "I argue that Kobe Bryant is the greatest player ever and that Jordan in 01-03 couldm't carry a terrible squad at age 40 to the playoffs. I have all kinds of stats to throw at these Jordan stans."

Girl : "See you later, Virgin."

[AlphaWolf24]

I bet alphawolf gets all kinds of pu55y.

Girl : "What do you do for fun?"

Alphawolf : "I argue that Kobe Bryant is the greatest player ever and that Jordan in 01-03 couldm't carry a terrible squad at age 40 to the playoffs. I have all kinds of stats to throw at these Jordan stans."

Girl : "See you later, Virgin."


#1. If a Girl came up to me and asked "what do you do for fun?".....I would say..."Hopefully YOU"....

because any girl that is talkin like that either A) really does need the chorizo...or B) aint giving it up any time soon anyways......

da Wolfman aint got no time to waist......




PS: Banged a couple english Girls back in 95'.....be careful you might be talkin to your daddy....



your mom ever work at the Brass Rail in Nottingham???

[AlphaWolf24]

Posted by you in the last two months:



You lose.


I lose because I said Kobe is a similar player to Jordan?.....and a aesthetically better scorer?....


Niqqa U da one lookin up my posts!!!.......and U calling other people losers:lol



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[Horatio33]

#1. If a Girl came up to me and asked "what do you do for fun?".....I would say..."Hopefully YOU"....

because any girl that is talkin like that either A) really does need the chorizo...or B) aint giving it up any time soon anyways......

da Wolfman aint got no time to waist......




PS: Banged a couple english Girls back in 95'.....be careful you might be talkin to your daddy....



your mom ever work at the Brass Rail in Nottingham???

So in 95 you were at least 21 right. so 16 years later you're 36-37. So you spend your time trolling on a message board about how Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan . You have both players stats ready and waiting to be used. You talk like a 12 year old kid after watching Boyz n the hood and menace 2 society back to back. I reckon the only time a girl talks to you is when you renew your xbox live membership at gamestop.

My mum would take one look at you and know you're a d!ckless Virgin.

[AlphaWolf24]

You asked me to find a post post where you showed that you have an agenda. You saying Kobe is a better scorer than MJ would certainly make one think you have an agenda.


Does Phil Jackson have an agenda?..he said Kobe is a better allaround player then Jordan , Does John Salley have an agenda?..he said Kobe is a better scorer then MJ...Does Steve Kerr have an agenda?...what about Horace Grant?...Does Mark Jackson have an agenda?....what about ESPN?....Does countless other sports outlet's who compare Kobe vs MJ have an agenda...

Last week ESPN said Kobe had acomplished more at 32 then MJ did at 32....they have an agenda???...



The only agenda I see are the Jordan stans constantly putting down other great players while Ignoring everything that puts MJ in a substandard light..they revise history to fit thier view on how Jordan's legacy should be....they discount everything the majority says to keep thier views intact....


we get it..you spent $200.00 on a pair of good shoes....but you still garbage...


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[AlphaWolf24]

So in 95 you were at least 21 right. so 16 years later you're 36-37. So you spend your time trolling on a message board about how Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan . You have both players stats ready and waiting to be used. You talk like a 12 year old kid after watching Boyz n the hood and menace 2 society back to back. I reckon the only time a girl talks to you is when you renew your xbox live membership at gamestop.

My mum would take one look at you and know you're a d!ckless Virgin.


What about Colors??:confusedshrug: ......can Don Cheadle get any Love??? after Iron man 2...damn.


and after one night with yo momz.....I would put da "HO" in ...

tally Ho chop chop god save the queen....


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[Horatio33]

What about Colors??:confusedshrug: ......can Don Cheadle get any Love??? after Iron man 2...damn.


and after one night with yo momz.....I would put da "HO" in ...

tally Ho chop chop god save the queen....


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Bet you go through fleshlights like Kobe goes through white girls.

[AlphaWolf24]

Bet you go through fleshlights like Kobe goes through white girls.


WTF? Fleshlight?....:confusedshrug:



(googles fleshlight)..ohhhhhhh!....http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3290/2qn9sol.gif


(slowly clicks out).....(cough)

[SuperPippen]

Just gonna copy and paste this post I made from that other Jordan-Kobe thread (since it's obvious that Kobe>Jordan is what this stupid-ass thread is about).



":roll: I just love how you pull statements like these out of your ass and casually state them as if they're anything other than bullshit. So you're saying that, as long as you don't play basketball, you and your body don't age? As long as you don't play basketball, you actually age in reverse?!? :roll:

MJ scored 20 per game at age 40 in 2003, when the average team defensive rating was 103.6 and teams allowed 95.1 PPG, compared to 107.3 and 99.6 PPG in the 2011 season.

So, MJ at age 40 (just 8 years ago, which I'm PRETTY sure counts as "the modern era") scored just 5 PPG less than Kobe at age 32 in 2011 on roughly the same efficiency, while MJ faced a league in '03 that was tougher defensively as a whole than the league in 2011. And yet you say, "Jordan was a 42% FG player in the modern era"?

Also, MJ actually shot at or 50% for 5 of his final 9 seasons, discounting '95, as he only played 17 games then. Compare this to Kobe, who has yet to have a single season shooting above 47%!

Man, it's so fun to argue against you and your absurd logic, AlphaWolf. Your arguments are so ridiculous that they actually make me lol.

This whole Jordan vs. Kobe shit gets old, and some of you trolls are simply :facepalm worthy, but it's always entertaining to have you and your half-assed excuse for rationale around, AlphaWolf.


Go ahead, make another asinine rebuttal, and I'll proceed to shoot it down yet again.









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[kaiiu]

Don't forget Shawn Marion and Peja Stojakovic, both former All-Stars.
09 Cavs- Mo- all star. Z former all star. Ben Wallace former all star.

10 Cavs- Mo former all star. Jamison former all star. Shaq former all star. Z former all star

:confusedshrug:

[AlphaWolf24]

Just gonna copy and paste this post I made from that other Jordan-Kobe thread (since it's obvious that Kobe>Jordan is what this stupid-ass thread is about).



":roll: I just love how you pull statements like these out of your ass and casually state them as if they're anything other than bullshit. So you're saying that, as long as you don't play basketball, you and your body don't age? As long as you don't play basketball, you actually age in reverse?!? :roll:

MJ scored 20 per game at age 40 in 2003, when the average team defensive rating was 103.6 and teams allowed 95.1 PPG, compared to 107.3 and 99.6 PPG in the 2011 season.

So, MJ at age 40 (just 8 years ago, which I'm PRETTY sure counts as "the modern era") scored just 5 PPG less than Kobe at age 32 in 2011 on roughly the same efficiency, while MJ faced a league in '03 that was tougher defensively as a whole than the league in 2011. And yet you say, "Jordan was a 42% FG player in the modern era"?

Also, MJ actually shot at or 50% for 5 of his final 9 seasons, discounting '95, as he only played 17 games then. Compare this to Kobe, who has yet to have a single season shooting above 47%!

Man, it's so fun to argue against you and your absurd logic, AlphaWolf. Your arguments are so ridiculous that they actually make me lol.

This whole Jordan vs. Kobe shit gets old, and some of you trolls are simply :facepalm worthy, but it's always entertaining to have you and your half-assed excuse for rationale around, AlphaWolf.


Go ahead, make another asinine rebuttal, and I'll proceed to shoot it down yet again.









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Jordan was 38 and a half.....yes he was scoring....





but he was awful.....and his team suffered.....




he capped his career the way he started....Losing.




(waits for )"but he was scoring 20PPG on 42%"..."he was too old"...."but he was too young "




silly Jordan stans....Tricks are for LeBricks

[DMAVS41]

Obviously the Mavs were better....but I love the effort.

[The-Legend-24]

silly Jordan stans....Tricks are for LeBricks
:roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

Obviously the Mavs were better....but I love the effort.

come on guy's (yes I'm talkin to all you guy's on your 1 laptop)...you got to admit it's really close.

[DMAVS41]

come on guy's (yes I'm talkin to all you guy's on your 1 laptop)...you got to admit it's really close.

Its not close at all....but again, I love the effort.

[AlphaWolf24]

Its not close at all....but again, I love the effort.


put your other brother online....he'll tell you....

sh!t is nearly identical....on paper...Wiz>Mavs

[SuperPippen]

Jordan was 38 and a half.....yes he was scoring....

Again, he turned 40 during the 2003 season, during which he was healthier than he was in '02, and he played at just a slightly lower level than Kobe did this year, at 32, and MJ did it against a better defensive league (admittedly, Kobe wasn't fully healthy either in '11).





but he was awful.....and his team suffered.....

He wasn't "awful," he was still playing at an All-Star or borderline All-Star level, and the team struggled DESPITE Jordan, not because of him.




he capped his career the way he started....Losing.

Can't argue with this, at least it makes sense, though, again, MJ wasn't the reason his teams struggled.




(waits for )"but he was scoring 20PPG on 42%"..."he was too old"...."but he was too young "

.....what?


silly Jordan stans....Tricks are for LeBricks

I'm not a "silly Jordan stan," I'm just someone who likes to be logical when he makes an argument.





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[Cangri]

Who had the better team?

Kobe's 11' Lakers or Dirk's 11' Mavs?

[DMAVS41]

Who had the better team?

Kobe's 11' Lakers or Dirk's 11' Mavs?

Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

I'm not a "silly Jordan stan," I'm just someone who like to be logical when he makes an argument.





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WTF?....02' Eastern Conference was one of the weakest Conference's ever ...

the West was Stacked but the East was Horrible...

and let me get this straight.....Kobe is No where near MJ even though he(Kobe) averaged 27.7PPG(only a 2 point difference ) 6REB 5AST for the whole decade of the 00's not to mention the winning.....But MJ is real close to Kobe during the 02' season even though MJ averaged 5 less points while playing more minutes..and Kobe's winning % was far better??...I'm so confused.

Jordan Jocker Logic showing tru to form once again....MJ ballhogg's and is detrimental to his team but like a Moth starring at a flame you just say..

"look at him score".....20PPG on 42% in 37minutes winning 30+ games:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Kobe could drop 20PPG playing 37 - 38 minutes with the green light to fire at 50...

[AlphaWolf24]

Who had the better team?

Kobe's 11' Lakers or Dirk's 11' Mavs?

Kobe....but cot damn.....even Jesus rested.....7 NBA Finals in 10 years....man needs a breather....

but it's not like he played on the most stacked team of alltime.....11' Heat:lol

[SuperPippen]

WTF?....02' Eastern Conference was one of the weakest Conference's ever ...

the West was Stacked but the East was Horrible...

and let me get this straight.....Kobe is No where near MJ even though he(Kobe) averaged 27.7PPG(only a 2 point difference ) 6REB 5AST for the whole decade of the 00's not to mention the winning.....But MJ is real close to Kobe during the 02' season even though MJ averaged 5 less points while playing more minutes..and Kobe's winning % was far better??...I'm so confused.

Jordan Jocker Logic showing tru to form once again....MJ ballhogg's and is detrimental to his team but like a Moth starring at a flame you just say..

"look at him score".....20PPG on 42% in 37minutes winning 30+ games:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Kobe could drop 20PPG playing 37 - 38 minutes with the green light to fire at 50...

Never did I once say anything that even implied Wizards Jordan was anywhere as good as Kobe in his prime. I just stated that Jordan in 2003 was playing at NEARLY as high a level as Kobe played at in 2011.


BTW, you REALLY wanna talk about somebody ballhogging and being detrimental to their team? REALLY? :oldlol:

There is an absolute treasure trove of information I could use to exploit you and your stupidity, but I really don't know where to even begin. A lot of it is common knowledge anyway, so I shouldn't even need to expose your stupidity. You do that yourself. :oldlol:




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[AlphaWolf24]

Never did I once say anything that even implied Wizards Jordan was anywhere as good as Kobe in his prime. I just stated that Jordan in 2003 was playing at NEARLY as high a level as Kobe played at in 2011.


BTW, you REALLY wanna talk about somebody ballhogging and being detrimental to their team? REALLY? :oldlol:

There is an absolute treasure trove of information I could use to exploit you and your stupidity, but I really don't know where to even begin. A lot of it is common knowledge anyway, so I shouldn't even need to expose your stupidity. You do that yourself. :oldlol:




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1 season ....vs 10 years....:confusedshrug:

you got fools gold in your treasure...I got U in My Pocket....

Kobe is very comparible...similar players similar roles....

U got "0"



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[kaiiu]

What does that have to do with anything? We were just comparing the 02 wizards and 11 mavs in terms of former all-stars.
if Dirk can win with a bunch of washed up "former all stars" why cant Lebrick :confusedshrug:

[D.J.]

Granted the Wizards were better than their record indicated(they were still .500 in late February), but they were never more than five games over .500. That team was absolute garbage outside of MJ, Hamilton, and Whitney.

[D.J.]

But...but...but...they had Jahidi White!


And Kwame Brown!

[kaiiu]

Stop bringing up LeBron in ever damn thread. I know you're still butthurt that he left the Cavs. Get over it. He's not coming back. Enjoy getting lottery picks again next year.
Word.

[chips93]

Stop bringing up LeBron in ever damn thread. I know you're still butthurt that he left the Cavs. Get over it. He's not coming back. Enjoy getting lottery picks again next year.


dude aint even a real cavs fan. he posts 30 times a day, but i havent heard him say one thing about the cavs. hes just some stupid kid looking for somebody to blame/hate, and lebron was an easy choice, since everybody else hates lbj.

[kaiiu]

dude aint even a real cavs fan. he posts 30 times a day, but i havent heard him say one thing about the cavs. hes just some stupid kid looking for somebody to blame/hate, and lebron was an easy choice, since everybody else hates lbj.
:oldlol: U just a Lebrick bandwagoner. Not even affiliated with the Cavs. Cleveland ni99a rite here :pimp:

[raptorfan_dr07]

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[raptorfan_dr07]

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[raptorfan_dr07]

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[chazzy]

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So it's gone from "Kobe can't win without Shaq" to "Kobe can't 3peat without Shaq?" :lol

[catch24]

:applause: at dr07

Some of those are HILARIOUS :roll:

[EricForman]

the Kobe trolls on this board is really, really getting out of hand.

i am so glad i no longer live in Los Angeles, i can't imagine how bad it must be over there on the radios and at sports bars...

[raptorfan_dr07]

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-"They said he was better than us too!"
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-"And me!"
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-"The three of us have had better Laker careers"
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[HylianNightmare]

the team that won a championship

[AlphaWolf24]

right.......i was going more for "on paper"...like this year Miami on paper had the best team by far....

sorry bout that

[AlphaWolf24]

Dallas had a better team on paper too.


How is that?....who thought the Mavs were going to get past Portland???...

many experts thought the Wizards were at least going to make the Finals in 02'...

[AlphaWolf24]

Many "experts" were foolishly thinking MJ was going to play like he did when he was younger, then.


Not like when he was "young"..because when he was "young" he was getting swept in the first round or quitting vs Detroit...

For example I remember Bill Walton saying he expected MJ to play similar to 1997' and pushing the Guy's harder in Paractice to make a deep playoff run...

and the 2 other panelists said it would be Washington vs L.A. in the Finals..

[RRR3]

Not like when he was "young"..because when he was "young" he was getting swept in the first round or quitting vs Detroit...

For example I remember Bill Walton saying he expected MJ to play similar to 1997' and pushing the Guy's harder in Paractice to make a deep playoff run...

and the 2 other panelists said it would be Washington vs L.A. in the Finals..
He had no help when he was young. It doesn't matter how great you are, it's a team game and you can't win by yourself.

[DJ Leon Smith]

and 11' Mavs had prime 5'7" Barea.

This thread is designed to point out the weak competition Kobe faced and was swept by, right?

[Nevaeh]

Too Young to win.....No Teamates ......Too Old....seem's like alot of excuses to me.

5 Losing seasons below .500......for the greatest player ever??.....most by far of all the top 7 GOAT's....won in a watered down era...

meh....best player of the 90's.....least valuable team player compared to other top 10's

Dude, you got some damn nerve talking about excuses, with the way you post endless qualifiers to prop up Kobe's Greatness :oldlol: "At Age 32", "Between the age 21-32", "As a Starter", "As Da Man", "A Sports Article Once Said he May be the Best Ever", without anything tangible to prove it. You're a clown. An entertaining clown I'll say, but still a clown none the less. :cheers:

[All Net]

How is this thread still going?

[wally_world]

Idk man, Brian Cardinal vs Brian Cardinal is a great matchup, whoever wins that wins his team the series.

[Lebron23]

No one ever predicted that the Wizards would win the NBA Championship in 2002. Jordan was almost 40 yrs.old at the start of the season.

[AlphaWolf24]

No one ever predicted that the Wizards would win the NBA Championship in 2002. Jordan was almost 40 yrs.old at the start of the season.


No he was 38 ..and yes many expected them to at least make the Playoff's and make a good push to the Finals....