View Full Version : Is Elton Brand a Hall of Famer?
bagelred
09-07-2011, 01:29 PM
And it's not even close.
EricForman
09-07-2011, 01:32 PM
he's made the playoffs twice, played three rounds, in his what 11 year career. end this thread.
True, but you'd be surprised knowing some of the people who are in the HOF.
ImmortalD24
09-07-2011, 02:30 PM
No.
If he was european.. maybe.
L.Kizzle
09-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Vin Baker has a better shot.
senelcoolidge
09-07-2011, 02:41 PM
These threads are silly. Of course not. I know there are some players that were very very good players but not the creme de la creme that get in..but Brand doesn't even fit in that category. He had a good career..that's all.
Is Micheal Redd a Hall of Famer? Rik Smits? Antonio Davis?....:facepalm
kaiiu
09-07-2011, 02:42 PM
Is OP is a *******?
lol no need to discuss
artificial
09-07-2011, 02:46 PM
No. Why would he?
Clippersfan86
09-07-2011, 02:48 PM
If he maintained his peak for longer and led the Clippers to the playoffs at least 2 or 3 times sure... but hell no. He had 1 elite year in the regular season and postseason then had some major injuries and isn't even a clear starter anymore on most teams despite only being 31.
All Net
09-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Why would he be?
rodman91
09-07-2011, 03:41 PM
His curse was playing for Clippers.Also attitude as well.
Kombo
09-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Fantasy HoF.
Most likely not. In his defense, these were his first 8 seasons:
-20/10/2 with 1.6 BPG
-20/10/3 with 1.0 SPG and 1.6 BPG
-18/11+/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.0 BPG
-18+/11/2+ with 1.1 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20/10/3 with 2.2 BPG
-20/9+/2+ with 2.1 BPG
-25/10/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20+/9/3 with 1.0 SPG and 2.2 BPG
If he plays for any other team, he's a borderline candidate at the very least.
Most likely not. In his defense, these were his first 8 seasons:
-20/10/2 with 1.6 BPG
-20/10/3 with 1.0 SPG and 1.6 BPG
-18/11+/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.0 BPG
-18+/11/2+ with 1.1 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20/10/3 with 2.2 BPG
-20/9+/2+ with 2.1 BPG
-25/10/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20+/9/3 with 1.0 SPG and 2.2 BPG
If he plays for any other team, he's a borderline candidate at the very least.
Thank you for at least taking this thread seriously. :cheers:
Kellogs4toniee
09-07-2011, 07:39 PM
Thank you for at least taking this thread seriously. :cheers:
It's hard to take a thread seriously when the answer is not thread worthy. Eight years of approximatley 20/10, that is a good career. But he made... what two all star games in his career, one all-NBA team (a second team)? That means the fans didn't appreciate him, or the coaches didn't appreciate him because he was posting these stats on bad teams that didn't make the play-offs, or a combination of both.
Then you factor in these other choices:
1. He made the play-offs once in this span.
2. No enormous contribution outside of the hard-wood floor.
That is simply not H.O.F worthy.
It's hard to take a thread seriously when the answer is not thread worthy. Eight years of approximatley 20/10, that is a good career. But he made... what two all star games in his career, one all-NBA team (a second team)? That means the fans didn't appreciate him, or the coaches didn't appreciate him because he was posting these stats on bad teams that didn't make the play-offs, or a combination of both.
Then you factor in these other choices:
1. He made the play-offs once in this span.
2. No enormous contribution outside of the hard-wood floor.
That is simply not H.O.F worthy.
You'd be surprised about some of the players in the HOF. Brand has a better case than a few for sure.
Bosnian Sajo
09-07-2011, 07:47 PM
You'd be surprised about some of the players in the HOF. Brand has a better case than a few for sure.
So whats the point of a hall of fame when everyone gets in it??
Kellogs4toniee
09-07-2011, 07:49 PM
You'd be surprised about some of the players in the HOF. Brand has a better case than a few for sure.
Please give me examples.
Also keep in mind as time passes, it generally gets harder and harder to get into the H.O.F because of the greater amount of people in there leading to harder judges based on precedence. A player accepted in the 70's might have got in with 8+ years of 20/10 numbers, but then you add in all the great players in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's that you have to now compare against Brand... call it unfair but these days the only way to get into the H.O.F when your only contribution is on the hard floor is:
1. Accolades
2. Stats
3. The above for a very prolonged period of time : 10 years.
Now-adays it is harder to get in because you have so many more players, accolades, number, statistics, and peers to compare yourself too when judges are selecting.
So whats the point of a hall of fame when everyone gets in it??
Hard to say. I would'nt have in the HOF if I chose who went in, but then again you have guys like Bill Bradley and Tom Gola in the HOF...
Please give me examples.
Also keep in mind as time passes, it generally gets harder and harder to get into the H.O.F because of the greater amount of people in there leading to harder judges based on precedence. A player accepted in the 70's might have got in respective to the players before him, but now-adays it is harder to get in because you have so many more players, accolades, number, statistics, and peers to compare yourself too when judges are selecting.
For one Drazen Petrovic. He's in as a "player" and he played 290 NBA games. Obviously not his fault, but if he's in it should be as a contributer.And what about Bill Bradley? How the **** is he a hall of famer?
G-train
09-07-2011, 08:06 PM
Great player, but not enough achievements.
HylianNightmare
09-07-2011, 09:34 PM
can't even think of a reason to make an argument for him
get these NETS
09-08-2011, 03:17 AM
For one Drazen Petrovic. He's in as a "player" and he played 290 NBA games. Obviously not his fault, but if he's in it should be as a contributer.And what about Bill Bradley? How the **** is he a hall of famer?
Bill bradley was an all american, gold medal olympic winner, and won rings in New York..
East Coast media bias says he gets into the HOF....in fact most members of the 70s Knicks champion teams are in the Hall....blame east coast media bias
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Petro was one of the alltime great euro players.....definitely one of if not THE first euro to receive all nba honors...and STELLAR olympic and amateur career.....his national team was only one to pose ANY kind of threat to Dream Team..and he was lighting them up.
elite Euro players who never stepped foot in the NBA like oscar schmidt are in hall, i think, so petro belongs there too
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Elton Brand is like shareef abdur rahim.....numbers are there but teams are ALWAYS lousy... a compiler not a winner
Smoke117
09-08-2011, 03:20 AM
Probably not because of lack of success but he was the best player in the league in 2006 imo. No matter how good you are...you aren't going to do much without some kind of help. Then again he was only a super star that one year. He's one of my favorite players of all time but if I had to decide...no I would not put him in the hof.
woshiftren
09-08-2011, 04:06 AM
are you kidding
he is a good player, but far away to be a hall of famer
Jacks3
09-08-2011, 04:46 AM
Probably not because of lack of success but he was the best player in the league in 2006 imo.
:wtf:
EricForman
09-08-2011, 06:25 AM
Most likely not. In his defense, these were his first 8 seasons:
-20/10/2 with 1.6 BPG
-20/10/3 with 1.0 SPG and 1.6 BPG
-18/11+/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.0 BPG
-18+/11/2+ with 1.1 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20/10/3 with 2.2 BPG
-20/9+/2+ with 2.1 BPG
-25/10/2+ with 1.0 SPG and 2.5 BPG
-20+/9/3 with 1.0 SPG and 2.2 BPG
If he plays for any other team, he's a borderline candidate at the very least.
Yes, Brand definitely was GOOD ENOUGH to be in it, but really, sometimes all of these things comes down to luck. One of the greatest examples is Nique vs James Worthy. The Lakers considered taking Nique going into the draft but instead took Worthy. It's probably not too fetch to conclude that Nique would have some rings and a far more decorated career (as the 3rd best player on those legendary Laker teams) while Worthy may have won nothing.
Had Brand landed on a team wither another superstar and he was allowed to play second fiddle, he woulda at least made the playoffs every single year (that'd lead to more all star selections), which means he'd be a solid candidate. But isntead he landed on the Bulls and then the Clippers.
Only elite, pantheon level talents (the Jordans, Birds, Duncans, Kobes, Shaqs) can dictate their own destiny (I think those guys woulda won rings regardless of where they ended up), but for everyone else in the league, sometime it really comes down to the luck of the situation.
Brand was a 20/10 MACHINE. He definitely could have been a hall of fame...
Yes, Brand definitely was GOOD ENOUGH to be in it, but really, sometimes all of these things comes down to luck. One of the greatest examples is Nique vs James Worthy. The Lakers considered taking Nique going into the draft but instead took Worthy. It's probably not too fetch to conclude that Nique would have some rings and a far more decorated career (as the 3rd best player on those legendary Laker teams) while Worthy may have won nothing.
Had Brand landed on a team wither another superstar and he was allowed to play second fiddle, he woulda at least made the playoffs every single year (that'd lead to more all star selections), which means he'd be a solid candidate. But isntead he landed on the Bulls and then the Clippers.
Only elite, pantheon level talents (the Jordans, Birds, Duncans, Kobes, Shaqs) can dictate their own destiny (I think those guys woulda won rings regardless of where they ended up), but for everyone else in the league, sometime it really comes down to the luck of the situation.
Brand was a 20/10 MACHINE. He definitely could have been a hall of fame...
Thanks, bro. You see what I'm saying at least.
Toizumi
09-08-2011, 08:42 AM
Petro was one of the alltime great euro players.....definitely one of if not THE first euro to receive all nba honors...and STELLAR olympic and amateur career.....his national team was only one to pose ANY kind of threat to Dream Team..and he was lighting them up.
elite Euro players who never stepped foot in the NBA like oscar schmidt are in hall, i think, so petro belongs there too
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Elton Brand is like shareef abdur rahim.....numbers are there but teams are ALWAYS lousy... a compiler not a winner
Exactly, it's the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF..
I feel the same about Elton Brand also. He put up great numbers, but when watching him (and his teams), I never felt like he added as much as you would think by his numbers.
He fits into the mold of David West and Zach Randolph (eventhough EB was better than both, especially on Defense). Players that put up (close to) 20 and 10 and are legit all stars, but are not the main reason for their team's succes.
When a player like KG, TD gives you 20 and 10 on a nightly basis, it's much bigger than EB's 20 and 10 was. Even in his heyday, on a good Clippers team, you'd hardly see him during some games (to me at least) and when the game was over and I saw the boxscore, he'd have 25 and 12 :eek: and get credit for his team succes..
The Clippers formed a good team that year, of which EB was an integral part. He got a lot of praise and even some MVP consideration. I felt like it was more of a team effort than his individual greatness that made the Clippers a solid team.
He was a great player though and he could have been a great 2nd option on a good team. He had Hall of Fame talent. He was called upon to lead teams though and he was never that type of player.
JohnnySic
09-08-2011, 08:56 AM
He is still young; another 4-5 relatively strong seasons will get him 20K points and 10k rebounds.
What Brand really needs is to join a contender and get into to the general public's conciousness; that is what has always been missing. Maybe Brand could even reinvent himself. For example, if he didn't have to score, and focused entirely on rebounding and defense, he could do the Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace thing. Brand has more talent in his pinky than those two had.
Toizumi
09-08-2011, 10:12 AM
He is still young; another 4-5 relatively strong seasons will get him 20K points and 10k rebounds.
What Brand really needs is to join a contender and get into to the general public's conciousness; that is what has always been missing. Maybe Brand could even reinvent himself. For example, if he didn't have to score, and focused entirely on rebounding and defense, he could do the Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace thing. Brand has more talent in his pinky than those two had.
but not as much heart and hustle and he wasn't as good defensively or on the glass neither.
You make a good point though. I can see Brand playing the same type of role Horace Grant had on the Bulls/Lakers though and that would definitely help his resume..
Meticode
09-08-2011, 10:28 AM
:roll: F*ck no.
jamal99
09-08-2011, 10:49 AM
Why the f is this stickied?
Walker
09-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Shows just how low this forum has sunk over the last couple of years that this thread gets stickied.....
artificial
09-08-2011, 01:57 PM
WTF stickied?
This thread is as sticky worthy as Brand is HOF worthy.
Which is to say, this thread isn't bad at all, but it's far from being that good/relevant.
cteach111
09-08-2011, 02:24 PM
WTF stickied?
This thread is as sticky worthy as Brand is HOF worthy.
Which is to say, this thread isn't bad at all, but it's far from being that good/relevant.
:confusedshrug:
I guess the mods think that pauk is one of their key contributers to the forum.
:confusedshrug:
I guess the mods think that pauk is one of their key contributers to the forum.
I'm not pauk. :facepalm
Bosnian Sajo
09-08-2011, 04:14 PM
No they stickied it because they think it is on of the dumbest considerations ever and would like everyone to see...at least thats what I think :oldlol:
Real Men Wear Green
09-08-2011, 05:42 PM
No they stickied it because they think it is on of the dumbest considerations ever and would like everyone to see...at least thats what I think :oldlol:
Mostly correct, but you forgot "offseason boredom."
ThaSwagg3r
09-08-2011, 07:30 PM
No they stickied it because they think it is on of the dumbest considerations ever and would like everyone to see...at least thats what I think :oldlol:
:applause: :oldlol:
:applause: :oldlol:
Figures.
Nope.
However, this might be an entirely different discussion had he not blown out his knee and had remained in LA. Certainly would've carried on with another 3 more 20/10 seasons on a Clippers team making the Playoffs.
He was a good player, but unfortunately he'll be remembered as getting vastly overpaid by Philly.
enghuei
09-09-2011, 02:02 AM
No.
L8kersfan222
09-09-2011, 06:32 AM
StroShow4/RRR/Pauk are the same person. Stro just gets out his inner heat homerism thru RRR and Pauk tried to tell yall
StroShow4/RRR/Pauk are the same person. Stro just gets out his inner heat homerism thru RRR and Pauk tried to tell yall
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/04/derp-derp-derp-derp.jpg
Teanett
09-09-2011, 03:22 PM
somebody posts a bullshyt question and it becomes a sticky???
ish is in a sad state.
MaxFly
09-09-2011, 03:26 PM
Is this a serious question?
GiveItToBurrito
09-10-2011, 12:11 AM
No, just barely. He got injured and it killed his effectiveness, but he was about as good as Amare or Dirk (although not quite as good) for almost ten years. Playing on bad teams hurt him, too, even though it's not his fault his teams were bad on a regular basis.
Let's be honest:
If Elton went to Miami in '03 and continued his production through '08, this would be a completely different discussion.
ZenMaster
09-10-2011, 04:56 AM
For one Drazen Petrovic. He's in as a "player" and he played 290 NBA games. Obviously not his fault, but if he's in it should be as a contributer.And what about Bill Bradley? How the **** is he a hall of famer?
Good for him it's the basketball hall of fame and not the NBA hall of fame.
InspiredLebowski
09-10-2011, 05:57 AM
Why the hell would you sticky this?
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