Kobe Bryant the greatest player of his generation (according to his peers and expert

[AlphaWolf24]

reading viewpoints of a very small percentage of online fans....I decided to look how his peers and coaches view Kobe....and I've been watching Basketball since the early 80's......Kobe has carved out a reputation only rivaled by Michael Jordan....what he has been able to do is truly remarkable

Ladies and gentleman.......I present Kobe JellyBean Bryant.....

- players and coaches talking about Kobe -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk&NR=1

[ThaSwagg3r]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.
This thread is about Kobe Bryant not LeBron James.

[ThaSwagg3r]

That's nice. LeBron has two years where he was clearly the best.
http://oi55.tinypic.com/34g3fk0.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

That's nice. LeBron has two years where he was clearly the best.


yeah and then he left to Wade's team:roll: >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dai7TZfxe3Y

[ThaSwagg3r]

Wow, have you ever posted that gif before? I don't think I've ever seen such a brilliant and appropriate gif! /end sarcasm
2008-09 2009-10. I'm not going to bother arguing any other years with you but no one was better than LeBron in those two years. Even you know this, although you'll pretend to deny it.
Nope, Kobe was better those seasons. After all who was the one that won the championship? :confusedshrug:

2004 - KG
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Dirk/Wade

[SuperPippen]

I'd give Tim Duncan a slight edge.

Kobe, at this point, has had a better career than Shaq, though.

[SuperPippen]

Kobe was definitively the best player in the league in '06, and '08.

Everything besides that is very debatable.

[L8k3r5]

Wow, have you ever posted that gif before? I don't think I've ever seen such a brilliant and appropriate gif! /end sarcasm
2008-09 2009-10. I'm not going to bother arguing any other years with you but no one was better than LeBron in those two years. Even you know this, although you'll pretend to deny it.
Kobe's been the clear cut best player for most of this decade. He's won 5 championships (and don't say Shaq helped him win 3 because it was he and shaq that were the leaders as a duo during the 3-peat years.) MVP's don't matter unless you have the rings to back it up. Kobe has 2 finals MVP's. How much does Lebron have? I rest my case. Posters like you are the reason I don't visit the NBA forum sometimes. :facepalm People need to learn to appreciate every great player in the NBA whether you like him or not.

[SuperPippen]

How's that work? Shaq's career>Duncan's.


Not IMO.

[AlphaWolf24]

I'd give Tim Duncan a slight edge.

Kobe, at this point, has had a better career than Shaq, though.


But that's because you haven't applied yourself.....meh....Haters gnna hate...

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2251000/AlphaWolf-2251120_390_555.jpg

:cheers: to the very small %...there's always one

[ThaSwagg3r]

Not IMO.
You remind me of a poster named Bush4Ever? Is that you? Who is better to you, Dwyane Wade or LeBron James? currently.

[SuperPippen]

You remind me of a poster named Bush4Ever? Is that you? Who is better to you, Dwyane Wade or LeBron James? currently.

I have no idea who the f**k Bush4Ever is.

Right now, LeBron is better than Wade.

[L8k3r5]

Of course there always have to be those biased posters trying to ruin a thread about a great player :facepalm

[sh0wtime]

Nice read, i certainly hope Kobe comes back next season and proves my opinion right, that he still is the best in the NBA alongside LeBron.

[AlphaWolf24]

Disagree. You can debate both of those years. Not saying he was or wasn't the best, but there wasn't a clear-cut best player in either of those seasons.

U missin the point little Homey.....make believe awards and fictional rankings don't mean sh!t.....

The way your peers view you means more then make believe...Kobe is widely regarded as the best...and listening to them stories from the NBA's best....he got's all of them firmly in his pocket.


now recognize game when it's in yo face little homey....


apply yourself.

[SuperPippen]

But that's because you haven't applied yourself.....meh....Haters gnna hate...

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2251000/AlphaWolf-2251120_390_555.jpg

:cheers: to the very small %...there's always one


Damn, posting a pic of TD getting dunked on really exposes my argument.

I can't see how I possibly thought Duncan was better than Kobe now. You've really opened my eyes. And it's all thanks to that picture.



:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

Damn, posting a pic of TD getting dunked on really exposes my argument.

I can't see how I possibly thought Duncan was better than Kobe now. You've really opened my eyes. And it's all thanks to that picture.



:facepalm


Don't get your panties in a bunch...it had nothing to do with proving anything,

all I was saying was ...I respect your shiest y opinion(as bad as it is, I'm glad only the sh!tbirds share it).....look at the pic and read...I aint Mad atchya.....:cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He wasn't even the best player on 3 of his 5 championship teams :oldlol:

[SuperPippen]

Don't get your panties in a bunch...it had nothing to do with proving anything,

all I was saying was ...I respect your shiest y opinion(as bad as it is, I'm glad only the sh!tbirds share it).....look at the pic and read...I aint Mad atchya.....:cheers:




:rolleyes:

[ThaSwagg3r]

2006-07-Dirk was better, so was Duncan.
2007-08-The year he won MVP. CP3 and LeBron were both better, though.

:oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

He wasn't even the best player on 3 of his 5 championship teams :oldlol:

:oldlol: when you the #1 option in the 4th quarter and the best skilled player in the NBA then you mean more to the team then a Big Man with no game past the 3' from the hoop....

:oldlol: by far the best allaround player in the NBA...and it aint even close.




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[AlphaWolf24]

If Alphawolf wasn't a troll, I wouldn't come in this thread arguing. He is a troll, though so me and a few others are going to **** with him.


I aint Mad atchya Homez....:cheers: ..It's all sauce.....

I'm making $ off you right now...



keep it bumpin




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[ThaSwagg3r]

Edit out LeBron then, since I assume that's why you're laughing. The rest of that is still valid.
:oldlol: ..not even close.

[L8k3r5]

He wasn't even the best player on 3 of his 5 championship teams :oldlol:
You could say it was both he and Shaq that were the best players on that team. :confusedshrug: They both averaged 28 points a game in the 2000-01 season and both averaged 30 points a game in the playoffs. IMO those two as a duo were the reason they won 3 straight. Shaq wouldn't have won w/o Kobe and Kobe wouldn't have won w/o Shaq

[AlphaWolf24]

I would definitely argue that. I don't think he's ever been the best all-around, even if he has been the best some years.


again , i aint talking bout you or a very very very small percentage of online fans....

I'm talking about his peers and expert coaches....






You just a nat on the grill of my E7 carbon motors concept son..

[ThaSwagg3r]

Yes it is. Didn't all CP3's peers (including Kobe, but I could be wrong) say he deserved the MVP that year? And Dirk deserved his MVP, unless you wanna go with Duncan.
No I don't remember that at all. I am pretty sure more people said Kobe should have been the MVP after all the race was won by a landslide by him anyways.

Chris Paul got eliminated by the Spurs in 7 while Kobe dominated the Spurs in 5 and averaged 30+ ppg with 50+% shooting.

Dirk? I am seriously not even going to bother if you think he was better that season. You can just look at his post-season failure to look no further, of course you being a LeBron fan post-season doesn't mean jack to you.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: when you the #1 option in the 4th quarter and the best skilled player in the NBA then you mean more to the team then a Big Man with no game past the 3' from the hoop....

:roll:

First things first, Kobe didn't even win the last two championships as a leader of the team. Fisher was the leader and Pau Gasol was the most responsible for the Lakers wining two championships. Kobe was able to capitalize on having another dominant big man(since Shaq). The lakers record before Fisher and Pau Gasol made an entrance into Staples was 121-125, they weren't even a playoff team with that record, but when Fisher returned to the Lakers, they were 29-16, AND when Gasol came through, their record was 28-9 and HE was responsible for the Lakers getting past the first round in 2010, not Kobe. Prior to this past season, in two seasons and 37 games, the Lakers' record since they have acquired Pau Gasol is 138-45. PG is the most important piece of this Lakers team. People keep implying that Kobe was primarily responsible for the Lakers winning 65 games, which is TOTALLY wrong.

When Pau Gasol didn't show up = Lakers swept in the first round...When he shows up = title

2EZ :oldlol:

[ThaSwagg3r]

Funny, I thought they voted on MVP before the playoffs started.
What are you trying to say right now? Yeah Dirk was the MVP but he wasn't the best player that season. It doesn't always correlate.....learn to comprehend idiot.

[L8k3r5]

Shaq was clearly better. Not saying he was a lot better, but it was obvious who the better player was at that time.
Good point but like the dude who stated above me, the Lakers would rely on Kobe in the 4th quarter to close out their games. I honestly don't see them winning those championships without one another. You can't disagree with me on that.

[AlphaWolf24]

Shaq was clearly better. Not saying he was a lot better, but it was obvious who the better player was at that time.


Nope, ESPN , Phil Jackson , Shaq , SI , Slam ,Tim Duncan , Coach Pop , Magic , Bird and John Wooden all said Kobe was the best allaround player as early as 2001....


you just a very very very small % of haters online..

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:roll:

First things first, Kobe didn't even win the last two championships as a leader of the team. Fisher was the leader and Pau Gasol was the most responsible for the Lakers wining two championships. Kobe was able to capitalize on having another dominant big man(since Shaq). The lakers record before Fisher and Pau Gasol made an entrance into Staples was 121-125, they weren't even a playoff team with that record, but when Fisher returned to the Lakers, they were 29-16, AND when Gasol came through, their record was 28-9 and HE was responsible for the Lakers getting past the first round in 2010, not Kobe. Prior to this past season, in two seasons and 37 games, the Lakers' record since they have acquired Pau Gasol is 138-45. PG is the most important piece of this Lakers team. People keep implying that Kobe was primarily responsible for the Lakers winning 65 games, which is TOTALLY wrong.

When Pau Gasol didn't show up = Lakers swept in the first round...When he shows up = title

2EZ :oldlol:

Your trolling is almost as bad as his

[ThaSwagg3r]

No shit, but you were one saying Kobe deserved MVP that year or whatever. He wasn't the best that year.
Ok what if he didn't? He was still the best player in the league that season. Jesus Christ you dance around like an idiot in every single one of your arguments.

[AlphaWolf24]

:roll:

First things first, Kobe didn't even win the last two championships as a leader of the team. Fisher was the leader and Pau Gasol was the most responsible for the Lakers wining two championships. Kobe was able to capitalize on having another dominant big man(since Shaq). The lakers record before Fisher and Pau Gasol made an entrance into Staples was 121-125, they weren't even a playoff team with that record, but when Fisher returned to the Lakers, they were 29-16, AND when Gasol came through, their record was 28-9 and HE was responsible for the Lakers getting past the first round in 2010, not Kobe. Prior to this past season, in two seasons and 37 games, the Lakers' record since they have acquired Pau Gasol is 138-45. PG is the most important piece of this Lakers team. People keep implying that Kobe was primarily responsible for the Lakers winning 65 games, which is TOTALLY wrong.

When Pau Gasol didn't show up = Lakers swept in the first round...When he shows up = title

2EZ :oldlol:


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[L8k3r5]

:roll:

First things first, Kobe didn't even win the last two championships as a leader of the team. Fisher was the leader and Pau Gasol was the most responsible for the Lakers wining two championships. Kobe was able to capitalize on having another dominant big man(since Shaq). The lakers record before Fisher and Pau Gasol made an entrance into Staples was 121-125, they weren't even a playoff team with that record, but when Fisher returned to the Lakers, they were 29-16, AND when Gasol came through, their record was 28-9 and HE was responsible for the Lakers getting past the first round in 2010, not Kobe. Prior to this past season, in two seasons and 37 games, the Lakers' record since they have acquired Pau Gasol is 138-45. PG is the most important piece of this Lakers team. People keep implying that Kobe was primarily responsible for the Lakers winning 65 games, which is TOTALLY wrong.

When Pau Gasol didn't show up = Lakers swept in the first round...When he shows up = title

2EZ :oldlol:
Stop lying to yourself. I myself saw with my own two eyes the Lakers back-to-back championship run. Kobe led those teams to a championship. The reason they were swept by the Mavs is because they were a tired team. That team went to 3 CONSECUTIVE NBA Finals appearances going for their 4th straight. You think they would have the energy for a 4th consecutive run? Honestly have you ever even played on a basketball team? It takes a TEAM to win championships

[AlphaWolf24]

Wait..I posted 3 videos of Kobe's peers talking about kobe...


and I get called names:confusedshrug: ....



y'all crazy........please don't call the JLP

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Your trolling is almost as bad as his

:confusedshrug:

Player Efficiency Rating in 2010 (Top 20):

8. Pau Gasol-LAL 22.9
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9

Offensive Win Shares in 2010 (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 6.8

Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!


Defensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.2
18. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.0

WinShares (Top 20):

7. Pau Gasol-LAL 11.0

Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!!

Kobe is still a born-bred sidekick ...

[ThaSwagg3r]

LOL. Kobe is still considered the best player in the League by many people. Kobe is still considered the best SG by many people. Does that mean it's true? Regardless, that's three years at most Kobe even had an argument to be the best player in the NBA: 2005-06 (his best case), 2006-07 (he was better than LBJ, I'll give you that one.), and 2007-08. And all 3 of those years can be debated to various extents.
Okay so thanks for proving my point.....Kobe was the best player in the league for three seasons, LeBron? Two to zero seasons.

[AlphaWolf24]

LOL. Kobe is still considered the best player in the League by many people. Kobe is still considered the best SG by many people. Does that mean it's true? Regardless, that's three years at most Kobe even had an argument to be the best player in the NBA: 2005-06 (his best case), 2006-07 (he was better than LBJ, I'll give you that one.), and 2007-08. And all 3 of those years can be debated to various extents.


If all the people playing against Kobe say he's the best...then that means he's better...

you seriously saying "online fans" with flawed stats have a better idea then the men who Kobe plays against???



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[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:confusedshrug:

Player Efficiency Rating in 2010 (Top 20):

8. Pau Gasol-LAL 22.9
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9

Offensive Win Shares in 2010 (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 6.8

Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!


Defensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.2
18. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.0

WinShares (Top 20):

7. Pau Gasol-LAL 11.0

Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!!

Kobe is still a born-bred sidekick ...

:oldlol: This is what's it's come to nowadays

If you want to use winshares Kobe led the Lakers in winshares during the 2001 playoff run

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Win shares are overly generous towards post players and aren't very forgiving of perimeter players. So that's not a very good argument IMO.

He's not serious :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Stop lying to yourself. I myself saw with my own two eyes the Lakers back-to-back championship run. Kobe led those teams to a championship. The reason they were swept by the Mavs is because they were a tired team. That team went to 3 CONSECUTIVE NBA Finals appearances going for their 4th straight. You think they would have the energy for a 4th consecutive run? Honestly have you ever even played on a basketball team? It takes a TEAM to win championships

Kobe is freaking overrated man, just admit it.

Kobe has been outscored by 20 points by Richard 'cupcake' Hamilton in an nba finals game....

Kobe has been outscored by Mark Jackson and Austin Croshere in the same Nba Finals game....

Kobe has been equaled in points by Dikembe Mutumbo and Tayshaun Prince in 2 different finals games...

Kobe has been outscored by James Posey in an nba finals game...

Kobe has been outscored by Shaq in 6 straight nba finals game...

KOBE= 1 CAREER 50 POINT PLAYOFF GAME ... in 198 games

Kobe=sidekick

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe is freaking overrated man, just admit it.

Kobe has been outscored by 20 points by Richard 'cupcake' Hamilton in an nba finals game....

Kobe has been outscored by Mark Jackson and Austin Croshere in the same Nba Finals game....

Kobe has been equaled in points by Dikembe Mutumbo and Tayshaun Prince in 2 different finals games...

Kobe has been outscored by James Posey in an nba finals game...

Kobe has been outscored by Shaq in 6 straight nba finals game...

KOBE= 1 CAREER 50 POINT PLAYOFF GAME ... in 198 games

Kobe=sidekick


mad..





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[L8k3r5]

Kobe is freaking overrated man, just admit it.

Kobe has been outscored by 20 points by Richard 'cupcake' Hamilton in an nba finals game....

Kobe has been outscored by Mark Jackson and Austin Croshere in the same Nba Finals game....

Kobe has been equaled in points by Dikembe Mutumbo and Tayshaun Prince in 2 different finals games...

Kobe has been outscored by James Posey in an nba finals game...

Kobe has been outscored by Shaq in 6 straight nba finals game...

KOBE= 1 CAREER 50 POINT PLAYOFF GAME ... in 198 games

Kobe=sidekick
Says the troll :facepalm
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[LebronairJAMES]

reading viewpoints of a very small percentage of online fans....I decided to look how his peers and coaches view Kobe....and I've been watching Basketball since the early 80's......Kobe has carved out a reputation only rivaled by Michael Jordan....what he has been able to do is truly remarkable

Ladies and gentleman.......I present AlphaWolf24 the biggest ****** on ish.. .....

- players and coaches talking about Kobe -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk&NR=1
alphapoof shut up

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: This is what's it's come to nowadays

If you want to use winshares Kobe led the Lakers in winshares during the 2001 playoff run

That's fair. Did I mention Shaq dominated in the Finals where it mattered? Kobe, in usual fashion, succumbed to the pressure as he watched Shaq get another Finals MVP...

[AlphaWolf24]

I said he was arguable for the best in 3 years, and has zero clear cases. LeBron has had two years where he was clearly the best and 2 or 3 others that he at least had an argument for.


again...just so you know.....you can argue all you want...


according to the actual players....you know who they are right?

Kobe is the best.....and has been since 2001...


neener...neener...neener......try to hit dat wit a bat...




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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

mad..


next

2006 = 81 pts....and a 1st round exit

2007 = 4 straight 50 point games.....and a 1st round exit

Kobe has no historic games in championship years...

62 in 3 quarters?...that was 2007....a 1st round exit, remember...

50 POINT PLAYOFF GAMES

Kobe- 1 in 198 games

Mike- 8 in 179 games

Kobe=sidekick for life

http://cigarladypdx.com/wp-content/themes/amazing-grace/images/topimg/2011/06/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg

[ThaSwagg3r]

I said he was arguable for the best in 3 years, and has zero clear cases. LeBron has had two years where he was clearly the best and 2 or 3 others that he at least had an argument for.
Incorrect....as usual.

[AlphaWolf24]

alphapoof shut up


Smush?

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

That's fair. Did I mention Shaq dominated in the Finals where it mattered? Kobe, in usual fashion, succumbed to the pressure as he watched Shaq get another Finals MVP...

The same can be said for Gasol :cheers: He sat back and watched Kobe earn his 2 straight FMVP

[LebronairJAMES]

Smush?
your mums a ho
smush?

[ShaqAttack3234]

As far as decade long consistency? You could make a very good case for Kobe as the best player.

2000- Top 11(could put him anywhere from top 9-12)
2001- Top 3(You could put him anywhere from top 2-5)
2002- Top 3(You could put him anywhere from top 3-6)
2003- Top 4(You could put him anywhere from top 2-5)
2004- Top 4(if you focus on the negatives you could drop him a bit lower)
2005- You could put him somewhere in the top 8-11 range, hard to rank that season
2006- best player
2007- best player
2008- best player
2009- Top 3(could put him 2nd or 3rd)

As far as Shaq

2000- Best player
2001- Best player
2002- Best player
2003- Top 5(could put him anywhere in the 2-5 range)
2004- Top 3(could argue him as top 2)
2005- Top 2-6 range(again, this is a hard season to rank)
2006- Top 11-13 range

Really fell off after 2006

And Duncan...

2000- Top 2
2001- Top 2(could put him either 2nd or 3rd)
2002- Top 2
2003- Best player
2004- Top 2(could put him 2nd or 3rd)
2005- Best player
2006- Top 6
2007- Top 2
2008- Top 5(could put him 5th or 6th)
2009- Top 10-11

And if you extend into the 2010's then Kobe's case gets stronger, but, if you go to just post-Jordan, then Duncan also has 1999, even so, I'd still probably go with Kobe for post-Jordan era if the emphasis is for consistency over that time period.


You could say it was both he and Shaq that were the best players on that team. :confusedshrug: They both averaged 28 points a game in the 2000-01 season and both averaged 30 points a game in the playoffs. IMO those two as a duo were the reason they won 3 straight. Shaq wouldn't have won w/o Kobe and Kobe wouldn't have won w/o Shaq

Of course neither would have won if you took one off the team, but that doesn't make 2 players equal. Kobe was clearly better than Gasol on the 2009 and 2010 teams, but no way he wins if you take Gasol off the team, same thing with Wade in '06, clearly better than Shaq, but there's no way he wins if you take Shaq off that team, or Jordan, who was better than Pippen, but he's not winning if you take Pippen off those teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The same can be said for Gasol :cheers: He sat back and watched Kobe earn his 2 straight FMVP

Kobe didn't even dominate though! ... :oldlol:

You know how Kobe continues to make those unjustified defensive teams? In the Finals it was worse .... Gasol by most measures was better ....

[LebronairJAMES]

2006 = 81 pts....and a 1st round exit

2007 = 4 straight 50 point games.....and a 1st round exit

Kobe has no historic games in championship years...

62 in 3 quarters?...that was 2007....a 1st round exit, remember...

50 POINT PLAYOFF GAMES

Kobe- 1 in 198 games

Mike- 8 in 179 games

Kobe=sidekick for life

http://cigarladypdx.com/wp-content/themes/amazing-grace/images/topimg/2011/06/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg
:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[L8k3r5]

As far as decade long consistency? You could make a very good case for Kobe as the best player.

2000- Top 11(could put him anywhere from top 9-12)
2001- Top 3(You could put him anywhere from top 2-5)
2002- Top 3(You could put him anywhere from top 3-6)
2003- Top 4(You could put him anywhere from top 2-5)
2004- Top 4(if you focus on the negatives you could drop him a bit lower)
2005- You could put him somewhere in the top 8-11 range, hard to rank that season
2006- best player
2007- best player
2008- best player
2009- Top 3(could put him 2nd or 3rd)

As far as Shaq

2000- Best player
2001- Best player
2002- Best player
2003- Top 5(could put him anywhere in the 2-5 range)
2004- Top 3(could argue him as top 2)
2005- Top 2-6 range(again, this is a hard season to rank)
2006- Top 11-13 range

Really fell off after 2006

And Duncan...

2000- Top 2
2001- Top 2(could put him either 2nd or 3rd)
2002- Top 2
2003- Best player
2004- Top 2(could put him 2nd or 3rd)
2005- Best player
2006- Top 6
2007- Top 2
2008- Top 5(could put him 5th or 6th)
2009- Top 10-11

And if you extend into the 2010's then Kobe's case gets stronger, but, if you go to just post-Jordan, then Duncan also has 1999, even so, I'd still probably go with Kobe for post-Jordan era if the emphasis is for consistency over that time period.



Of course neither would have won if you took one off the team, but that doesn't make 2 players equal. Kobe was clearly better than Gasol on the 2009 and 2010 teams, but no way he wins if you take Gasol off the team, same thing with Wade in '06, clearly better than Shaq, but there's no way he wins if you take Shaq off that team, or Jordan, who was better than Pippen, but he's not winning if you take Pippen off those teams.
:applause: Finally an unbiased post

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Kobe didn't even dominate though! ... :oldlol:

You know how Kobe continues to make those unjustified defensive teams? In the Finals it was worse .... Gasol by most measures was better ....

Yup back to back playoff runs of 29/5/5+ isn't dominating :oldlol:

Putting up 32/8 in a finals series isn't dominating :oldlol:

[L8k3r5]

Yup back to back playoff runs of 29/5/5+ isn't dominating :oldlol:

Putting up 32/8 in a finals series isn't dominating :oldlol:
THIS/ Can't believe how much wasted energy hating can get :roll:

[LebronairJAMES]

If you say it, then it must be true!!!!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

All hail his highness, the crown prince of stupidity, ThaSwagg3r!
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljp6leUvTJ1qeanf2.jpg
this
theswagger sucks **** for fun

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yup back to back playoff runs of 29/5/5+ isn't dominating :oldlol:

Putting up 32/8 in a finals series isn't dominating :oldlol:

On sub~40% shooting it isn't.

Peep this Rad..

Shannon Brown- 29 threes made - 29-57 .509%

Steve Blake- 23 threes made - 23-46 .500%

Kobe - 20 threes made.....20-65 .308%

lmaoooo......2 bench players on the Lakers have made more threes than kobe IN LESS ATTEMPTS AND FEWER MINUTES!!!! Wait, let me guess.....Kobe once made 12 threes in a game....

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

On sub~40% shooting it isn't.

Peep this Rad..

Shannon Brown- 29 threes made - 29-57 .509%

Steve Blake- 23 threes made - 23-46 .500%

Kobe - 20 threes made.....20-65 .308%

lmaoooo......2 bench players on the Lakers have made more threes than kobe IN LESS ATTEMPTS AND FEWER MINUTES!!!! Wait, let me guess.....Kobe once made 12 threes in a game....

Yup he shot below 40% in both championship runs :oldlol:

Run along son. You suck at trolling

[AlphaWolf24]

2006 = 81 pts....and a 1st round exit

2007 = 4 straight 50 point games.....and a 1st round exit

Kobe has no historic games in championship years...

62 in 3 quarters?...that was 2007....a 1st round exit, remember...

50 POINT PLAYOFF GAMES

Kobe- 1 in 198 games

Mike- 8 in 179 games

Kobe=sidekick for life

http://cigarladypdx.com/wp-content/themes/amazing-grace/images/topimg/2011/06/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg


http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2195000/AlphaWolf-2195685_460_618.jpg



just nats




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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yup he shot below 40% in both championship runs :oldlol:

Run along son. You suck at trolling

As a Laker fan you should be very happy. If you are a Kobe fan, you cant be happy about his legacy decreasing by the title......lmaooo.....

-6-24 and his team wins.....continuing to be the worst big game player ever
-37-97 .360% in game 7's
-38-108 .352% in title winning games
-41% in 37 finals games....
-66-163 .400% to win finals mvp, lowest fg% for a finals mvp :oldlol:

:roll:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

As a Laker fan you should be very happy. If you are a Kobe fan, you cant be happy about his legacy decreasing by the title......lmaooo.....

-6-24 and his team wins.....continuing to be the worst big game player ever
-37-97 .360% in game 7's
-38-108 .352% in title winning games
-41% in 37 finals games....
-66-163 .400% to win finals mvp, lowest fg% for a finals mvp :oldlol:

:roll:

No as I Kobe fan I am very happy for him because I get to see my favorite player succeed. He keeps improving his HOF resume while you keyboard warriors keep type type typing away furiously. I can sense the frustration in the tiny black letters in your post :oldlol:

[LebronairJAMES]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2195000/AlphaWolf-2195685_460_618.jpg



just nats




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alphapoof and theswagger
http://www.historyking.com/images/Famous-Gay-People.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

again.....flawed stats ???...not about flawed stats son....about recognizing game..


"Kobe is on the level of Michael Jordan.....Wade and Lebron are still trying to hopefully one day get close to those guys" -Pat Riley Miami Heat coach

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe = sidekick

Kobe was an allstar in 98....he was swept in 98....

comparison vs 98 jazz: Kobe- 10.0 ppg on .367% shooting as an allstar/Shaq- 31.8 ppg on .560% shooting as an allstar

Who is the sidekick?....lmaooo

Kobe was a MAJOR SIDEKICK even as an allstar...

Kobe=a sidekick and Jeff Hornaceks bitch for life

[LebronairJAMES]

alphapoof and theswagger
http://www.historyking.com/images/Famous-Gay-People.jpg
op sucks ****

[AlphaWolf24]

alphapoof and theswagger
http://www.historyking.com/images/Famous-Gay-People.jpg


http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2174000/AlphaWolf-2174025_600_600.jpg


can't phase me son..



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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No as I Kobe fan I am very happy for him because I get to see my favorite player succeed. He keeps improving his HOF resume while you keyboard warriors keep type type typing away furiously. I can sense the frustration in the tiny black letters in your post :oldlol:

It bothers kobe fans like you when I expose the sidekick for the sidekick he is.......and believe me, I'm being kind when I call the sidekick a sidekick.....Sidekick implies the 2nd best, Kobe might not even be 2nd best on his team going into next year.

His teams do better without him...

You cant stand it that someone proves how overrated Kobe is with fact after fact after fact. Admit it, man.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

It bothers kobe fans like you when I expose the sidekick for the sidekick he is.......and believe me, I'm being kind when I call the sidekick a sidekick.....Sidekick implies the 2nd best, Kobe might not even be 2nd best on his team going into next year.

His teams do better without him...

You cant stand it that someone proves how overrated Kobe is with fact after fact after fact. Admit it, man.

Na I'm not bothered at all. You seem a little perturbed coming into a thread giving him his due props trying to tear him down. I don't care if his teams have a better regular season record without him. What matters is that they win titles with him.

[LebronairJAMES]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2174000/AlphaWolf-2174025_600_600.jpg


can't phase me son..



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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Na I'm not bothered at all. You seem a little perturbed coming into a thread giving him his due props trying to tear him down. I don't care if his teams have a better regular season record without him. What matters is that they win titles with him.

Can you explain these stats between Kobe and Wade? Both guys played the Celtics in the playoffs

kobe- shot 66-163 .400% in 7 games, a title and finals mvp

Wade- shot 62-110 .564% in 5 games, 1st round exit

Let me guess, the Celtics werent worried about stopping Wade, they were worried about Chalmers and haslem?....:oldlol:

Wade as a defensive focal point was way better than Kobe but he didn't have Gasol.

[L8k3r5]

Can you explain these stats between Kobe and Wade? Both guys played the Celtics in the playoffs

kobe- shot 66-163 .400% in 7 games, a title and finals mvp

Wade- shot 62-110 .564% in 5 games, 1st round exit

Let me guess, the Celtics werent worried about stopping Wade, they were worried about Chalmers and haslem?....:oldlol:

Wade as a defensive focal point was way better than Kobe but he didn't have Gasol.
His team did beat the Celtics right? Thats all that matters

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Can you explain these stats between Kobe and Wade? Both guys played the Celtics in the playoffs

kobe- shot 66-163 .400% in 7 games, a title and finals mvp

Wade- shot 62-110 .564% in 5 games, 1st round exit

Let me guess, the Celtics werent worried about stopping Wade, they were worried about Chalmers and haslem?....:oldlol:

Wade as a defensive focal point was way better than Kobe but he didn't have Gasol.

Who gives a f*ck? :oldlol:

You think Wade gives a f*ck about shooting 50% against them? No. All he knows is that he lost against them and he wants to win. At the end of the day that's what matters. I'm sure he would trade .564% and a first round exit for .400% and a title

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

His team did beat the Celtics right? Thats all that matters

My post totally flew over your head

[AlphaWolf24]

It bothers kobe fans like you when I expose the sidekick for the sidekick he is.......and believe me, I'm being kind when I call the sidekick a sidekick.....Sidekick implies the 2nd best, Kobe might not even be 2nd best on his team going into next year.

His teams do better without him...

You cant stand it that someone proves how overrated Kobe is with fact after fact after fact. Admit it, man.


SideKick , SideKick , SideKick, SideKick , SideKicks...5 SideKicks?


UMAD as F@ck right now:lol







SideKick all you want.....Kobe the greatest player of his generation and carving out a legacy for the ages....



"Kobe, he my favorite player" - Larry Bird

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who gives a f*ck? :oldlol:

You think Wade gives a f*ck about shooting 50% against them? No. All he knows is that he lost against them and he wants to win. At the end of the day that's what matters. I'm sure he would trade .564% and a first round exit for .400% and a title

Who gives a f*ck...? You're saying there no difference in averaging 30 on 56% shooting & 30 on 40% shooting?

Kobe fans....SMH

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

SideKick , SideKick , SideKick, SideKick , SideKicks... SideKicks?

Hey you again....Can you explain why Kobe couldnt outscore Gary Payton over the course of 28 head to head meetings? :oldlol:

Gary scored wayyyyy more in the 98 playoff series as well.

28 meeting:
glove- 21.1 ppg .467%
kobe- 20.9 ppg .429%....

vs iverson in 29 games:
ai--- 25.3 ppg 7.1 apg vs kobe
kobe--- 24.0 ppg 5.3 apg vs iverson

LOLOLOLOLOL

outscored and owned by attacking point guards! .... Kobe couldnt outscore POINT GUARDS.

[AlphaWolf24]

Who gives a f*ck...? You're saying there no difference in averaging 30 on 56% shooting & 30 on 40% shooting?

Kobe fans....SMH


:roll: @ .3 FG%


"It's Kobe Man.....It's Kobe......he's just a bad bad man.....probably the best I ever seen" - Antwan Carr (former Utah forward who guarded prime MJ):roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:roll: @ .3 FG%

Kobe fans fail at basic arithmetic .... BWAHAHAHAHA! :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

Hey you again....Can you explain why Kobe couldnt outscore Gary Payton over the course of 28 head to head meetings? :oldlol:

Gary scored wayyyyy more in the 98 playoff series as well.

28 meeting:
glove- 21.1 ppg .467%
kobe- 20.9 ppg .429%....

vs iverson in 29 games:
ai--- 25.3 ppg 7.1 apg vs kobe
kobe--- 24.0 ppg 5.3 apg vs iverson

LOLOLOLOLOL

outscored and owned by attacking point guards! .... Kobe couldnt outscore POINT GUARDS.


"Kobe....the name alone means Champion......simply amazing" - Gary Payton



Know what they aint talkin bout??...mu****in FG% you fool....:roll:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Who gives a f*ck...? You're saying there no difference in averaging 30 on 56% shooting & 30 on 40% shooting?

Kobe fans....SMH

Did I say there is no difference? I just said that I'm sure Wade doesn't give a f*ck that he shot .564% against the Celtics. All he cares about is that he lost and that he doesn't want to. You think Kobe gives a f*ck that he shot 50% in the 2006 playoffs? No because all he cares about is that he lost. You think Dirk cares he shot 9-27 in Game 6 of last season's finals? No. What matters is that he came through when it mattered and secured the championship. THAT's what's important

Some of you guys get too wrapped up in metrics.

[The-Legend-24]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.
http://www.deviantart.com/download/168067186/Haters_gonna_hate__Kobe_Bryant_by_Mauryv.jpg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

SIDEKICKIN'

Kobe, during a playoff run that led to a title and mvp, the lakers beat houston in 7 games....it was 2009 iirc....

In the 7th game, Kobe made 4 field goals......THE SAME AS CHUCK HAYES!..lmaoo.. Hayes doesnt even try to score!!! And yet he equaled Kobe in a game 7 in field goals made.

Did I mention Gasol had 21 pts,18 rbs,3 blks in that game 7 to carry Kobes ass? Kobe finished with 14 pts in the must win game 7....1 less point than Trevor Ariza.

kobe=sidekick

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Did I say there is no difference? I just said that I'm sure Wade doesn't give a f*ck that he shot .564% against the Celtics. All he cares about is that he lost and that he doesn't want to. You think Kobe gives a f*ck that he shot 50% in the 2006 playoffs? No because all he cares about is that he lost. You think Dirk cares he shot 9-27 in Game 6 of last season's finals? No. What matters is that he came through when it mattered and secured the championship. THAT's what's important

Who the hell cares about semantics? Whether he cares or not is NOT what I asked....lmao.

Kobe played by far WORSE against THE SAME TEAM yet was awarded a Finals MVP. Explain that.... doubt you can.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Who the hell cares about semantics? Whether he cares or not is NOT what I asked....lmao.

Kobe played by far WORSE against THE SAME TEAM yet was awarded a Finals MVP. Explain that.... doubt you can.

Yeah Wade should've gotten FMVP instead of Kobe :oldlol:

If you're trying to discredit Kobe's FMVP I'm not sure why you're bringing Wade into the discussion. He was in the crowd watching.

Fact is, Kobe was the most valuable player on the team that won the title. It's as simple as that man. Do you not even know what a FMVP is?

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe, during a playoff run that led to a title and mvp, the lakers beat houston in 7 games....it was 2009 iirc....

In the 7th game, Kobe made 4 field goals......THE SAME AS CHUCK HAYES!..lmaoo.. Hayes doesnt even try to score!!! And yet he equaled Kobe in a game 7 in field goals made.

Did I mention Gasol had 21 pts,18 rbs,3 blks in that game 7 to carry Kobes ass? Kobe finished with 14 pts in the must win game 7....1 less point than Trevor Ariza.

kobe=sidekick


"Kobe...he the best...he can do everything, you just can't stop him " - Houston Forward Shane Battier


:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah Wade should've gotten FMVP instead of Kobe :oldlol:

:confusedshrug:

I'll help you out a little... 11 yrs with Shaq/Gasol.....5 titles....11 times advancing past round 1

3 yrs without shaq/gasol....0 titles.....0 times advancing past round 1.....all prime years

Kobe didnt win a round without Shaq or Gasol in 3 prime years

In those 3 years, Kobe had a 112-111 record in the reg.season... and a 4-8 record in the playoffs...

a 116-119 record in games that count without Shaq or Gasol and thats ONLY using games he played in.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:confusedshrug:

I'll help you out a little... 11 yrs with Shaq/Gasol.....5 titles....11 times advancing past round 1

3 yrs without shaq/gasol....0 titles.....0 times advancing past round 1.....all prime years

Kobe didnt win a round without Shaq or Gasol in 3 prime years

In those 3 years, Kobe had a 112-111 record in the reg.season... and a 4-8 record in the playoffs...

a 116-119 record in games that count without Shaq or Gasol and thats ONLY using games he played in.

Shaq without a superstar wing player = 0 titles and 1 finals appearance getting swept

Gasol without Kobe = 1 round exit sweep

Your point?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

"Kobe...he the best...he can do everything, you just can't stop him " - Houston Forward Shane Battier


:lol

http://k.wigflip.com/BZeMUtjO/roflbot.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

http://k.wigflip.com/BZeMUtjO/roflbot.jpg


"Kobe at 18 is far and away better then I was" - Michael Jordan after playing against Kobe Bryant in 1997

:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Gasol without Kobe = 1 round exit sweep

Your point?

I thought Gasol wasn't on Kobe's level? :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

[B][SIZE="7"]

Kobe at 18 was a sidekick

:oldlol:

Am I supposed to be impressed by Kobes accomplishments?....MJ is laughing

Michael Jordans career low in a playoff run is 29.3 ppg!!!....lmaooo....and that was his rookie season.

Mike has 10 scoring titles.....Kobe has 2

Mike has 6 finals mvps....Kobe has 2(undeserved)

Mike has 5 mvps.....Kobe has 1(undeserved)

Mike has won DPOY...Mobe never has

Mike was ROY....Kobe wasnt

MJ has not only been allstar mvp, but he did it in 98 in kobes first allstar game

kobe= sidekick

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I thought Gasol wasn't on Kobe's level? :confusedshrug:

You thought right

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I thought Kobe wasn't on Shaq's level?
:confusedshrug:

You compared Shaq and Gasol, not me :oldlol:

Your ninja-quick edit skills won't save you....

http://gettotheleague.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/son.jpg

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:oldlol: Yeah I ninja edited because it's no point wasting anymore time with you. Of course you've been trolling this whole time that's why I don't really take this seriously. It's all fun and games (That was a quick ass page refresh though lol)

You can sit here and stay mad all you want but I have a new Victorious episode to watch :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: Yeah I ninja edited because it's no point wasting anymore time with you. Of course you've been trolling this whole time that's why I don't really take this seriously. It's all fun and games (That was a quick ass page refresh though lol)

If you don't take this seriously then why bother responding in the first place? Be real, I got inside your head.

:cheers:

Who's the dime in your avy?

[kaiiu]

KOBE GOT THESE ****** MAAADDDDDDDDD

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

If you don't take this seriously then why bother responding in the first place? Be real, I got inside your head.

:cheers:

Who's the dime in your avy?

To be honest I don't know :oldlol: I usually don't even post in the NBA forum let alone argue over the same shit that's been going on since I joined the forum

And the woman in my avy is the Brown Headed Goddess Ariana Grande although now she's the Red Headed Goddess

[AlphaWolf24]

You compared Shaq and Gasol, not me :oldlol:

Your ninja-quick edit skills won't save you....

http://gettotheleague.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/son.jpg


"Kobe the greatest Scorer in the history of MSG" - Ed Lover after Kobe put on a scoring spree for the ages in NY's Madison Square Garden

[D-Wade316]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.
This.

[bdreason]

He's behind Shaq and Duncan.

[D-Wade316]

Nope, Kobe was better those seasons. After all who was the one that won the championship? :confusedshrug:

2004 - KG
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Dirk/Wade
Kobe has never been the best player in a single season. :facepalm

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe has never been the best player in a single season. :facepalm
Kobe >>> Wade. And it ain't even close.

[AlphaWolf24]

He's behind Shaq and Duncan.


maybe in a Hot Dog eating contest...But Basketball

Kobe>any player in the 2000's

[Big#50]

LOL @ morons that get trolled by Kobe Stans. We all know Kobe is not better than Tim and Shaq. Come on, don't acknowledge them. You do know all they have is Kobe in their lives. Kind of ****ing sad. You guys are keeping them company. You guys gotta understand that these are sad, lonely people. Let them be.
The guy can't perfoem when all the eyes are on him. He has proven that he needs a great big man to win. He has proven over his career that his numbers just dip in important games.

[AlphaWolf24]

LOL @ morons that get trolled by Kobe Stans. We all know Kobe is not better than Tim and Shaq. Come on, don't acknowledge them. You do know all they have is Kobe in their lives. Kind of ****ing sad. You guys are keeping them company. You guys gotta understand that these are sad, lonely people. Let them be.
The guy can't perfoem when all the eyes are on him. He has proven that he needs a great big man to win. He has proven over his career that his numbers just dip in important games.


lol...@ U....aint no one trollin...wake up and recognize....son.

read my original post with Video....NOONE (real players and coaches) believes you!



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[Legends66NBA7]

He's had his moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfR2pDOt3k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ptwYqwYAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpWAyV-S7P0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVEIb3opQY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tjzxrrQpY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmjkcRsLX4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBzzr9Egig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boPGNxCSKJQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCltZmsBpg&feature=related

[SuperPippen]

He's had his moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfR2pDOt3k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ptwYqwYAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpWAyV-S7P0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVEIb3opQY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tjzxrrQpY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmjkcRsLX4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBzzr9Egig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boPGNxCSKJQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCltZmsBpg&feature=related

Fantastic vids. Kobe :bowdown:

[KingBeasley08]

04-08 is a generation?

[BEAST Griffin]

Kuniva owning AlphaWolf at his own game.

:applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

04-08 is a generation?

Kobe at best is 3rd from 2000-2009. His peak was more 05 to 09, IMO.

He's had his moments.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kuniva owning AlphaWolf at his own game.

:applause:

The die hard Kobe fans should not click this link:

http://www.kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/

[LebronairJAMES]

Originally Posted by ThaSwagg3r
Nope, Kobe was better those seasons. After all who was the one that won the championship?

2004 - KG
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Dirk/Wade
:lol

[AlphaWolf24]

The die hard Kobe fans should not click this link:

http://www.kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/


meh..JordanStan repelant - http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/

[Legends66NBA7]

Michael Jordan being the greatest will be up for debate, but with afromentioned legends in that link:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bill Russell
Larry Bird

Someone seems to be missing, hmmmmm ?


I don't have a problem with people having Russell or Kareem over Jordan, heck even Chamberlain has a case (a small one), but it is what it is.

Also the site doesn't put things into proper enough context. Can easily be debunked. But that's a topic for another day.

[AlphaWolf24]

Michael Jordan being the greatest will be up for debate, but with afromentioned legends in that link:

Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bill Russell
Larry Bird

Someone seems to be missing, hmmmmm ?


I don't have a problem with people having Russell or Kareem over Jordan, heck even Chamberlain has a case (a small one), but it is what it is.

Also the site doesn't put things into proper enough context. Can easily be debunked. But that's a topic for another day.

Oh No...he stopped updating the site in 05' or 06' can't remember....

I'll PM him..he already said Kobe is top 5....and climbing...


and it handles the context quite well.....but feel free , you don't have anything that hasn't been said 1,000 times over.

don't worry...it's all taken care of:cheers:





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[Legends66NBA7]

Can i see that list of yours ? The Top 5, Top 10 or Top 50.

[AlphaWolf24]

Can i see that list of yours ? The Top 5, Top 10 or Top 50.

I'll give you the players that I have watched for nearly 30years...I never watched Basketball when Russell or Wilt or to familiar with any Pro Game before 1980.....these are the best players that I have watched and followed..

pretty much from 1980 till present...

1.Magic
2.Jordan
3.Kobe
4.Bird
5.Duncan

[Asukal]

I'll give you the players that I have watched for nearly 30years...I never watched Basketball when Russell or Wilt or to familiar with any Pro Game before 1980.....these are the best players that I have watched and followed..

pretty much from 1980 till present...

1.Magic
2.Jordan
3.Kobe
4.Bird
5.Duncan

If you really watched those guys play then you must be homo for Kobe if you believe he is better than Jordan. :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

If you really watched those guys play then you must be homo for Kobe if you believe he is better than Jordan. :lol


:facepalm


read the list again Idiot....Skillwise? Kobe is very comparable to MJ....and IMO Kobe will show to be a greater champion....Phil Jackson agrees...

[Asukal]

:facepalm


read the list again Idiot....Skillwise? Kobe is very comparable to MJ....and IMO Kobe will show to be a greater champion....Phil Jackson agrees...

Skill? Maybe. Stats? No. Achievements? No. Athleticism? No. Mental aspect? No.

And No, Phil doesn't agree with you.

Even Kobe doesn't agree with you.

:roll:

[Soundwave]

Prime Shaq is the most dominant force in the NBA post-Jordan.

I don't even think it's close either.

I would guarantee pretty much 100% if you asked an opposing coach who he'd rather play against -- a Prime Shaq or a Prime Kobe, they'd rather play against Kobe.

No one wants any piece of a prime Shaq.

[monkeypox]

Prime Shaq is the most dominant force in the NBA post-Jordan.

I don't even think it's close either.

I would guarantee pretty much 100% if you asked an opposing coach who he'd rather play against -- a Prime Shaq or a Prime Kobe, they'd rather play against Kobe.

No one wants any piece of a prime Shaq.

Yeah, but no one ever dominated the League in the way Wilt did in his era, yet not many people have him over Jordan.

It's a tricky thing because we're talking about who's best of the era individually in a team sport. Yeah Shaq dominated with his combination of size, speed, strength, and skill, but was he the best? For example if he played in Jordans era he'd have personally have been just has amazing in all areas, yet if his team never beat Jordans no one would list him above Jordan even though he was the same player. So being personally dominating isn't the end all be all of being the greatest of the decade. We all remember Shaq having to be bailed out of big games by a young Kobe at the end of critical games.

In the end I value the opinion of the players, coaches, and experts, which so far as I can tell heavily lean towards Kobe. I know some people see it in sort of video game terms, and say that LeBron was a 99 and Kobe was a 95, so LeBron was better that year, but I don't think that's always the case. It depends on what you value in a player, whether that be dominance, leadership, team success, ect.

Also even if he wasn't ever the clear #1, being #2-4 every year for a generation can get you the #1 spot simply by virtue of having the highest average position for a generation. (You don't believe me just look at any NBA records list and count how many records Jordan has that aren't average related, which was aided greatly by his early retirement.) It would be fair to say that he's been up there this entire generation and it would also be fair to say that he was #1 for several of those years. Who else can really say that? As much as people want to cherry pick this and that, he's got the best resume of anyone of his time. He won personally and with the team and did it with two different teams. He personally posted the 2nd best scoring game of all time. Of all time! Which was even more impressive than the 100 given the era and that he wasn't gunning for it from the beginning like Wilt had been.

An analogy I'd make is like stand up comics. Some people will swear Dane Cook is the best comic right now and maybe of this generation. He sells the most seats, his shows do the best. But all the Comics and most of the experts and the media will tell you maybe he's good, but say Louis CK is the best. CK doesn't sell the most seats and isn't know by as many people, but I'd still say CK was better than Dane Cook and the best comic of his generation. Weak analogy I know, but yeah.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.

What defines true greatness is ability to sustain that level of excellence over the vast majority of ones career.....longevity in ones dominance. To be in the top 5 for 13 straight seasons trumps being #1 once in your career and fizzling out.

[Nick Young]

I'd give Tim Duncan a slight edge.

Kobe, at this point, has had a better career than Shaq, though.
Lol Kobe's career over Duncan. Duncan didn't deserve to steal the 2005 Finals MVP from Manu.

Duncan on Kobe's level and oh yeah need I remind everyone if he wasnt even better than Shaq (he got outplayed by shaq every time) how is he better than Kobe?

[Sroek]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.

Really?

He was the best from 02-03 to 08-09.

[0000000]

Not really a bold statement. Kobe is the best player and the most recognizable face in basketball of this generation. To me that isn't even debeatable and it shouldn't even insult most Kobe haters, as it doesn't threaten Jordan's status. As for LeBron, yes he's great and he was on par with Kobe even when Kobe was at his best, right now he's better than Kobe but as far as the last decade, Kobe's got the edge. LeBron's got this decade on lock though. That's how I see it anyway.

[L8k3r5]

Not really a bold statement. Kobe is the best player and the most recognizable face in basketball of this generation. To me that isn't even debeatable and it shouldn't even insult most Kobe haters, as it doesn't threaten Jordan's status. As for LeBron, yes he's great and he was on par with Kobe even when Kobe was at his best, right now he's better than Kobe but as far as the last decade, Kobe's got the edge. LeBron's got this decade on lock though. That's how I see it anyway.
THIS

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

More evidence of Kobe's pathetic defense, and Shaqs defensive impact...

'02-03 Wizards = 91.5 ppg . 24th in the nba
'02-03 Wizards = beat Lakers 100-99 the 7th game of that season (no Shaq) mike= 25 pts on 9-14 shooting...

Did I mention Kobe shot 8-21? Mike = 39-80 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did not play in
Mike= shot 33-83 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did play in :roll:

MJ = shot 21-58 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ PLAYED
MJ = shot 22-46 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ DID NOT PLAY

lmaoooo...Shaqs presence kept Mike from destroying Kobe even more

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Kobe's the most influential player this generation.

[Bandito]

Disagree. You can debate both of those years. Not saying he was or wasn't the best, but there wasn't a clear-cut best player in either of those seasons.
The same can be said for Lebron those 2 years. People were still talking about Kobe vs Lebron for the MVP and the only reason he won it was because Kobe had Gasol on his team and Lebron had Shaq:lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah, but no one ever dominated the League in the way Wilt did in his era, yet not many people have him over Jordan.

It's a tricky thing because we're talking about who's best of the era individually in a team sport. Yeah Shaq dominated with his combination of size, speed, strength, and skill, but was he the best? For example if he played in Jordans era he'd have personally have been just has amazing in all areas, yet if his team never beat Jordans no one would list him above Jordan even though he was the same player. So being personally dominating isn't the end all be all of being the greatest of the decade. We all remember Shaq having to be bailed out of big games by a young Kobe at the end of critical games.

In the end I value the opinion of the players, coaches, and experts, which so far as I can tell heavily lean towards Kobe. I know some people see it in sort of video game terms, and say that LeBron was a 99 and Kobe was a 95, so LeBron was better that year, but I don't think that's always the case. It depends on what you value in a player, whether that be dominance, leadership, team success, ect.

Also even if he wasn't ever the clear #1, being #2-4 every year for a generation can get you the #1 spot simply by virtue of having the highest average position for a generation. (You don't believe me just look at any NBA records list and count how many records Jordan has that aren't average related, which was aided greatly by his early retirement.) It would be fair to say that he's been up there this entire generation and it would also be fair to say that he was #1 for several of those years. Who else can really say that? As much as people want to cherry pick this and that, he's got the best resume of anyone of his time. He won personally and with the team and did it with two different teams. He personally posted the 2nd best scoring game of all time. Of all time! Which was even more impressive than the 100 given the era and that he wasn't gunning for it from the beginning like Wilt had been.

An analogy I'd make is like stand up comics. Some people will swear Dane Cook is the best comic right now and maybe of this generation. He sells the most seats, his shows do the best. But all the Comics and most of the experts and the media will tell you maybe he's good, but say Louis CK is the best. CK doesn't sell the most seats and isn't know by as many people, but I'd still say CK was better than Dane Cook and the best comic of his generation. Weak analogy I know, but yeah.



Damn son!...:applause: QFT!




you done did it......(drop the mic on em)

[thejumpa]

Should have known this gay ass thread was made by a gay ass poster. Oh well...back to the NFL.

[Nick Young]

More evidence of Kobe's pathetic defense, and Shaqs defensive impact...

'02-03 Wizards = 91.5 ppg . 24th in the nba
'02-03 Wizards = beat Lakers 100-99 the 7th game of that season (no Shaq) mike= 25 pts on 9-14 shooting...

Did I mention Kobe shot 8-21? Mike = 39-80 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did not play in
Mike= shot 33-83 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did play in :roll:

MJ = shot 21-58 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ PLAYED
MJ = shot 22-46 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ DID NOT PLAY

lmaoooo...Shaqs presence kept Mike from destroying Kobe even more


Is 02-03 the same year Kobe dropped 60 on Jordan?

[gengiskhan]

reading viewpoints of a very small percentage of online fans....I decided to look how his peers and coaches view Kobe....and I've been watching Basketball since the early 80's......Kobe has carved out a reputation only rivaled by Michael Jordan....what he has been able to do is truly remarkable

Ladies and gentleman.......I present Kobe JellyBean Bryant.....

- players and coaches talking about Kobe -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk&NR=1

nobody gives a faaaaak btw.

winning 1 mvp in 15 seasons isnt exactly the best player of his generation stuff.

pampered by winningest franchise under dominant big men as a franchise player or sidekick isnt exactly greatest of the generation stuff.

Kobe is an alltime great. Lebron is clearly better baller of his generation.

[The-Legend-24]

Yup he is, and the second best ain't even close... :applause:

7 Finals 5 rings, Top 2 player for a whole decade. Outscore a team in 3 quarters by himself, 81 points.. etc. :bowdown:

[chips93]

More evidence of Kobe's pathetic defense, and Shaqs defensive impact...

'02-03 Wizards = 91.5 ppg . 24th in the nba
'02-03 Wizards = beat Lakers 100-99 the 7th game of that season (no Shaq) mike= 25 pts on 9-14 shooting...

Did I mention Kobe shot 8-21? Mike = 39-80 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did not play in
Mike= shot 33-83 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did play in :roll:

MJ = shot 21-58 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ PLAYED
MJ = shot 22-46 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ DID NOT PLAY

lmaoooo...Shaqs presence kept Mike from destroying Kobe even more

sample size :facepalm

[B]

More evidence of Kobe's pathetic defense, and Shaqs defensive impact...

'02-03 Wizards = 91.5 ppg . 24th in the nba
'02-03 Wizards = beat Lakers 100-99 the 7th game of that season (no Shaq) mike= 25 pts on 9-14 shooting...

Did I mention Kobe shot 8-21? Mike = 39-80 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did not play in
Mike= shot 33-83 in 4 games vs Kobe that Shaq did play in :roll:

MJ = shot 21-58 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ PLAYED
MJ = shot 22-46 in 2 games as a Chicago Bull vs Kobe....WHEN SHAQ DID NOT PLAY

lmaoooo...Shaqs presence kept Mike from destroying Kobe even more
You need to stop doing that before you hemorrhage worthless stat guy juice all over the place

[Kobe 4 The Win]

You'd think the "greatest player of his generation" would have at least one year where they were clearly the best player in the NBA. Ah, well.

There's no such thing as a "the best player in the NBA". It's all subjective. Some people value stats. Some MVP trophies. Some people care about team accomplishments and championships. The reality is that most NBA players and coaches and a huge chunk of fans recognize that Kobe is the greatest player of his generation. Whether or not people at ISH want to admit it, is another issue.

[juju151111]

Yeah, but no one ever dominated the League in the way Wilt did in his era, yet not many people have him over Jordan.

It's a tricky thing because we're talking about who's best of the era individually in a team sport. Yeah Shaq dominated with his combination of size, speed, strength, and skill, but was he the best? For example if he played in Jordans era he'd have personally have been just has amazing in all areas, yet if his team never beat Jordans no one would list him above Jordan even though he was the same player. So being personally dominating isn't the end all be all of being the greatest of the decade. We all remember Shaq having to be bailed out of big games by a young Kobe at the end of critical games.

In the end I value the opinion of the players, coaches, and experts, which so far as I can tell heavily lean towards Kobe. I know some people see it in sort of video game terms, and say that LeBron was a 99 and Kobe was a 95, so LeBron was better that year, but I don't think that's always the case. It depends on what you value in a player, whether that be dominance, leadership, team success, ect.

Also even if he wasn't ever the clear #1, being #2-4 every year for a generation can get you the #1 spot simply by virtue of having the highest average position for a generation. (You don't believe me just look at any NBA records list and count how many records Jordan has that aren't average related, which was aided greatly by his early retirement.) It would be fair to say that he's been up there this entire generation and it would also be fair to say that he was #1 for several of those years. Who else can really say that? As much as people want to cherry pick this and that, he's got the best resume of anyone of his time. He won personally and with the team and did it with two different teams. He personally posted the 2nd best scoring game of all time. Of all time! Which was even more impressive than the 100 given the era and that he wasn't gunning for it from the beginning like Wilt had been.

An analogy I'd make is like stand up comics. Some people will swear Dane Cook is the best comic right now and maybe of this generation. He sells the most seats, his shows do the best. But all the Comics and most of the experts and the media will tell you maybe he's good, but say Louis CK is the best. CK doesn't sell the most seats and isn't know by as many people, but I'd still say CK was better than Dane Cook and the best comic of his generation. Weak analogy I know, but yeah.
Do you have the 4th Q stats of Shaq in the playoffs from 00-02? Shaqattack posted it before and it didn't show no bail out crap. How many times did Shaq bail out Kobe then. Remind me which finals Mvp or Fmvp. Show me the playoffs stats.

[The_Yearning]

Do you have the 4th Q stats of Shaq in the playoffs from 00-02? Shaqattack posted it before and it didn't show no bail out crap. How many times did Shaq bail out Kobe then. Remind me which finals Mvp or Fmvp. Show me the playoffs stats.

Are you a fool? Those stats he posted were overall 4th quarter stats... are you telling me they were feeding the ball to Shaq with less than a min to play? Lulz. Without Kobe in 2004, they would have been swept by Detroit.

[AlphaWolf24]

There's no such thing as a "the best player in the NBA". It's all subjective. Some people value stats. Some MVP trophies. Some people care about team accomplishments and championships. The reality is that most NBA players and coaches and a huge chunk of fans recognize that Kobe is the greatest player of his generation. Whether or not people at ISH want to admit it, is another issue.


10 - 12 haterz on ISH know more about basketball then Jordan's and kobe's teammates, Pat Riley , Phil jackson, over 1,000 NBA players and over 100's and 100's of 100,000,000,000's of fans who have spoken and voted....


don't you know...."hardcore elitists" fans know way more about basketball.. because they have Math and Per on thier side:roll: :roll:

[rodman91]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/KaiRMD1/DuncanKobe.jpg
:oldlol:

[PTB Fan]

Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal are better players career wise than Kobe Bryant and the best of their generations. There's a case for Kobe, but that case will get better with years.

[AlphaWolf24]

Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal are better players career wise than Kobe Bryant and the best of their generations. There's a case for Kobe, but that case will get better with years.


yes there is a case for Kobe......pretty much everyone thinks he is / was a better player....


recap: no one believes Shaq and Duncan are better.

[nnn123]

yes there is a case for Kobe......pretty much everyone thinks he is / was a better player....


recap: no one believes Shaq and Duncan are better.

LOL

And by this logic, who the flying f*** thinks Kobe is better than Jordan, other than like one ESPN sportswriter and some fool on ISH named "alphawolf"

[Hater]

InsideHoops is the only place where Kobe fans don't rest in their propping up of Kobe. Even amid this lockout, they still only care about one thing. The world could be on a brink of Armageddon and they'd still try to manipulate facts to explain why Kobe > Jordan.

[Jacks3]

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)


Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Easily the best of his generation.

Snaq?
Dunkedon?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[lefthook00]

It doesn't really matter if people disagree at this point, he's been anointed that position, and it's pretty much been solidified. He is just too damn popular, controversial, polarizing, good looking, plays the perfect position(after center), game is too flashy, extreme scorer, tries too hard at basketball to be denied. Just gotta accept it.

[rodman91]

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)


Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Easily the best of his generation.

Snaq?
Dunkedon?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

2 MVPs
3 FMVPs
Never missed playoffs.
Only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first 13 seasons

I don't even have to say other accomplishments. Duncan has been better player.Kobe scored more though.

http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabb/aj/a-/af/be/TimDuncameGamOverLH.gif

[Jacks3]

http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabb/aj/a-/af/be/TimDuncameGamOverLH.gif[/IMG]
Fail. Kobe is easily the better player with superior longevity. Duncan stopped being elite way back in 07. :pimp:

Let's not forget how Kobe clearly outplayed him 01/02/04/08 as well. :pimp:

[AlphaWolf24]

2 MVPs
3 FMVPs
Never missed playoffs.
Only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first 13 seasons

I don't even have to say other accomplishments. Duncan has been better player.Kobe scored more though.

http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabb/aj/a-/af/be/TimDuncameGamOverLH.gif


he went to Wake Forrest for 4 years....he came into the NBA at 22 - 23 years old....


Kobe already was priming for his first 3 Peat at that age..:lol


Duncan in no universe especially this one has been better then Kobe for the past decade....


EZ ...next

[rodman91]

Fail. Kobe is easily the better player with superior longevity. Duncan stopped being elite way back in 07. :pimp:

Let's not forget how Kobe clearly outplayed him 01/02/04/08 as well. :pimp:

Kobe was a bench player when Duncan was one of the top players in his rookie year.He was selected in all NBA team. :oldlol:

Kobe was a highflyer when Duncan won his championship and got FMVP.

Kobe was a good to great sidekick to Shaq until 2004.Duncan was top player with Shaq all NBA.

Duncan has similar longevity to Kobe... Kobe wasn't elite player since 2001.

[rodman91]

he went to Wake Forrest for 4 years....he came into the NBA at 22 - 23 years old....


Kobe already was priming for his first 3 Peat at that age..:lol


Duncan in no universe especially this one has been better then Kobe for the past decade....


EZ ...next

When Kobe was a bench warmer, Duncan was....

"he was a two-time ACC Player of the Year, and an unprecedented three-time NABC Defensive Player of the Year. The center also made the All-ACC Tournament between 1995 and 1997, the All-ACC First Team between 1995 and 1997, and was named Most Valuable Player of the 1996 ACC Tournament. Further, 1996 was the year where he led the conference in scoring, rebounding, field goal percentage and blocked shots, becoming the first player in conference history to lead all four of those categories.[11] Overall, Duncan led his team to a 97

[Jacks3]

Duncan has similar longevity to Kobe... Kobe wasn't elite player since 2001.
Kobe's longevity is better.

He was super-elite from 01-10 and has a couple of other phenomenal top-10 caliber seasons (2000,2011).

Duncan was elite from 98-08.

Clear edge to KOBE.

[Dave3]

Kobe was a bench player when Duncan was one of the top players in his rookie year.He was selected in all NBA team. :oldlol:

Kobe was a highflyer when Duncan won his championship and got FMVP.

Kobe was a good to great sidekick to Shaq until 2004.Duncan was top player with Shaq all NBA.

Duncan has similar longevity to Kobe... Kobe wasn't elite player since 2001.
Duncan started earlier, that's the difference. He had 2 years before the decade started so they don't count when discussing player of the decade. Breaking up the decade year by year if you wish to do so:

00- Duncan
01- Duncan
02- Duncan
03- Duncan
04- Duncan
05- Duncan
06- Kobe
07- Kobe had the season, Duncan had the playoffs and a championship, but can go either way
08- Kobe
09- Kobe
10- Kobe

That's 11 years there, which I did on purpose because everyone loves to debate whether a decade is 00-09 or 01-10. The rest of by how much was each player better each year etc. is the more debatable part.

[rodman91]

Duncan started earlier, that's the difference. He had 2 years before the decade started so they don't count when discussing player of the decade. Breaking up the decade year by year if you wish to do so:

00- Duncan
01- Duncan
02- Duncan
03- Duncan
04- Duncan
05- Duncan
06- Kobe
07- Kobe had the season, Duncan had the playoffs and a championship, but can go either way
08- Kobe
09- Kobe
10- Kobe

That's 11 years there, which I did on purpose because everyone loves to debate whether a decade is 00-09 or 01-10. The rest of by how much was each player better each year etc. is the more debatable part.

:lol @ cheap excuses. Its about a generation.Duncan and Kobe are in same generation.

[Odinn]

http://a1111.hizliresim.com/r/b/fqb0.jpg

Longevity debate depends on Kobe now. Their longevity seems to me almost equal.
Duncan was 5th in MVP race in his rookie season, selected to All-NBA 1st Team and All-Defensive 2nd Team.
In 2008, he led his team to another 55+ win season and WCF and selected to All-NBA 2nd Team and All-Defensive 1st Team.
In 2009, he selected to All-NBA 2nd Team and All-Defensive 2nd Team.

Also he didn't lose in 1st round in his prime.

" Only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first 13 seasons. "
That means 13 season with top quailty. Kobe completed his 13th season as starter in 2011. So longevity edge can not be belong to Kobe.

[Lebron23]

Shaquille O'Neal

[Jacks3]

D


01- Kobe

03- Kobe

06- Kobe
07- Kobe had the season, Duncan had the playoffs and a championship, but can go either way
08- Kobe
09- Kobe
10- Kobe

]
Clear edge to KOBE.

[Odinn]

Clear edge to KOBE.
And there is your agenda.:oldlol: Kobe for 2003?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

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Also he didn't lose in 1st round in his prime.


He also never managed to even make the Finals in back-to-back seasons, much less win three straight like Kobe and then make 3 straight Finals and win back-to-back championships with a completely different team. :pimp:

lol @ Duncan >Godbe. Even when Dunkedon was in his prime his own coach (popovich) was calling Kobe the best player in the league. :bowdown:

[swi7ch]

Well according to Kobe himself MJ is the GOAT.

Also, MJ has better stats, accomplishments, etc. than Kobe so his peers and expert must be all high on drugs.

[Jacks3]

And there is your agenda.:oldlol: Kobe for 2003?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
And 2001. And 2006. And 2007. And 2008. And 2009. And 2010. And 2011.

:pimp:

[Dave3]

:lol @ cheap excuses. Its about a generation.Duncan and Kobe are in same generation.
I'm pretty sure the whole point of the OP was because of that survey "player of the decade" hence why I laid out those years. If you want to compare careers then obviously yeah Duncan lol. Dominant force from day 1, 20/10 rookie with defense, 3 FMVP and would have a 4th if not for a fluke series by Tony Parker. Anchored a defense for over a decade, best player on 12 consecutive 50 win teams, and for 10 years never made it to anything less than the second round. Not to mention in his peak was both the best defensive and offensive player on the floor (unless he was playing Shaq or Kobe)

[Odinn]

And 2001. And 2006. And 2007. And 2008. And 2009. And 2010. And 2011.

:pimp:
Yep. I remember the idiot who claimed Kobe's 09 title run > Duncan's 03 title run.:roll:

[Jacks3]

lol @ obviously dunkedon. What a retard.:lol

[Dave3]

Clear edge to KOBE.
A year in which Duncan had both the MVP and FMVP you think Kobe was better?

And it's "clear edge"?

[Odinn]

He also never managed to even make the Finals in back-to-back seasons, much less win three straight like Kobe and then make 3 straight Finals and win back-to-back championships with a completely different team. :pimp:

lol @ Duncan >Godbe. Even when Dunkedon was in his prime his own coach (popovich) was calling Kobe the best player in the league. :bowdown:
I wonder if Gasol made a foul like Ginobili (2006-Mavs series) and that costs a probable title, how much would you cry out?:roll:

And your Godbe the only top10 player ever who didn't won MVP&FMVP in the same year. So what?

Lastly; Duncan is the only player who won titles with completely different rosters. 1999 Spurs and 2007 Spurs have only common player; Tim Duncan.

[Jacks3]

Yep. I remember the idiot who claimed Kobe's 09 title run > Duncan's 03 title run.:roll:
Yep. I remember that moron that claimed Dunkedon>Kobe. :oldlol:

You just mad because Kobe is the best player of his era and a guy people will talk about for decades while Dunkedon? Nobody really cares about his overrated,boring ass. You just made because Kobe is still a elite player and has plenty of good years left while Dunkedon is pretty much done. You just mad because Dunkedon couldn't even manage to make back-to-back Finals trips while Kobe has won three straight freaking titles in a row and had another three straight Finals with back-to-back Championships. You just mad because Kobe is 10X more interesting and entertaining than Dunkedon. You just because Kobe and the Lakers owned Dunkedon the entire decade. Bet you get nightmares of Kobe shitting all over Dunkedon in 2001,2002,2004, and 2008.

Stop crying bitch. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[rodman91]

He also never managed to even make the Finals in back-to-back seasons, much less win three straight like Kobe and then make 3 straight Finals and win back-to-back championships with a completely different team. :pimp:

lol @ Duncan >Godbe. Even when Dunkedon was in his prime his own coach (popovich) was calling Kobe the best player in the league. :bowdown:

Duncan : couldn't make back to back championships.
Kobe : couldn't make playoffs.

:confusedshrug:

[24r2]

player of the decade :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

I wonder if Gasol made a foul like Ginobili (2006-Mavs series) and that costs a probable title, how much would you cry out?:roll:
wut.


And your Godbe the only top10 player ever who didn't won MVP&FMVP in the same year. So what?
So what? This is just arbitrary bullshit. Kobe won MVP then led his team to the Finals, the next year he was 2nd in MVP voting, won 65 games, won the NBA Championship and won Finals MVP. I doubt he's disappointed with that. :oldlol:

The fact that dunkedon never repeated or even made consecutive Finals, on the other hand, is a black stain on his resume. Deal with it! Dude couldn't defend his turf...at all.

[Odinn]

wut.
That was golden.:roll: :roll:


So what? This is just arbitrary bullshit. Kobe won MVP then led his team to the Finals, the next year he was 2nd in MVP voting, won 65 games, won the NBA Championship and won Finals MVP. I doubt he's disappointed with that. :oldlol:

The fact that dunkedon never repeated or even made consecutive Finals, on the other hand, is a black stain on his resume. Deal with it! Dude couldn't defend his turf...at all.
Duncan is the only top 10 ever who couldn't make it to the finals back-to-back.
Kobe is the only top 10 ever who couldn't win MVP&FMVP in the same year.

These are facts but you didn't pay attention to the pic in previous page. Duncan did more, accomplished more than Kobe in their championship years. Accept or not. But you can not change that.

[Jacks3]

A year in which Duncan had both the MVP and FMVP you think Kobe was better?

And it's "clear edge"?
So you're telling Kobe doesn't have a case in a year where he put up...

30/7/6/2/1/55% TS (+3%)
20 40+ point games including 9 straight 40+ point games,13 straight 35+ point games, and averaged 40+ PPG for a entire month...
4 50+ point games
6 triple-doubles
#1 rebounding guard in the league
1st-Team All-NBA
1st Team All-Defense
34/7/6/2/59% TS over last 40 games...

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

Duncan did more, accomplished more than Kobe in their championship years. Accept or not. But you can not change that.
Kobe has accomplished more, has better longevity, and has more championship years. Accept it.

[BlackJoker23]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PovEnC2QT48/TXOc-m2k4hI/AAAAAAAAAB0/HeC8_nkAr4w/s1600/kobe-dunks-over-tim-duncan-full_getty-71796446ng017_spurs_lakers_8_20_46_pm.jpg

[Jacks3]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Odinn]

Kobe has accomplished more, has better longevity, and has more championship years. Accept it.

Done before.

Longevity debate depends on Kobe now. Their longevity seems to me almost equal.
Duncan was 5th in MVP race in his rookie season, selected to All-NBA 1st Team and All-Defensive 2nd Team.
In 2008, he led his team to another 55+ win season and WCF and selected to All-NBA 2nd Team and All-Defensive 1st Team.
In 2009, he selected to All-NBA 2nd Team and All-Defensive 2nd Team.

Also he didn't lose in 1st round in his prime.

" Only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first 13 seasons. "
That means 13 season with top quailty. Kobe completed his 13th season as starter in 2011. So longevity edge can not be belong to Kobe.

And nope. Kobe didn't accomplish more.

Kobe had 2 more Finals appearances.
Duncan had 1 more MVP, 1 more FMVP, 2 more titles as the man, more MVP share with better records.

[Dave3]

So you're telling Kobe doesn't have a case in a year where he put up...

30/7/6/2/1/55% TS (+3%)
20 40+ point games including 9 straight 40+ point games,13 straight 35+ point games, and averaged 40+ PPG for a entire month...
4 50+ point games
6 triple-doubles
#1 rebounding guard in the league
1st-Team All-NBA
1st Team All-Defense
34/7/6/2/59% TS over last 40 games...

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Interesting to go from "clear edge" to "you're saying he doesn't have a case"

[Jacks3]

Done before.

KOBE has more elite years.

And nope. Kobe didn't accomplish more.
Yes, he did.



Duncan had 1 more MVP, 1 more FMVP, 2 more titles as the man, more MVP share with better records.
Kobe has more championships, more Finals, more scoring titles, equal All-NBA teams,and has flat-out been the superior player.

20 years from now people will think about the 00's and the one player that will really stick out is KOBE, not boring old Duncan.

:pimp:

[Rojogaqu11]

Hmm.. Kobe has been relevant since he came into the league and he's still considered one of the top players in the league and has been for over a decade now. Shaq and Duncan left the top ranks since 4-6 years ago.

Lebron and Wade shouldn't be considered over Kobe when they just learned to play defense like 3-4 years ago. Incredible talents, but Kobe was a two-way player for most of the decade, and offensively he's been more complete.

It could be argued that Lebron is/has been the best player in the league some years, but Wade doesn't really have a strong case, because any argument for Wade can be used for Lebron even better.

At first it was Kobe vs Jordan. Not really fair but the young guy accepted the challenge, and people will remember that. Then it was Kobe vs Penny-Stackhouse, Kobe vs. Iverson, Kobe vs. Vince, Kobe vs. McGrady, Kobe vs. Manu, Kobe vs. Wade, Kobe vs Durant, etc.

In my opinion, the way Kobe has been compared to so many guards of the decade and how he has separated himself from the rest by either having legendary performances or by winning a 3peat and a 2peat with the Lakers, gives him the edge over his contemporaries, and he becomes the standard by which others are measured.

He deserves a lot of credit for his 5 Championships and whether as the main guy or as a sidekick, he was a truly irreplaceable part of those teams.

He gets my vote as the player of his generation, because in my opinion, in many years people won't talk much about when Duncan grabbed 20 rebounds or blocked 6 shots, or if Shaq imposed his size over smaller people. Those are great and important facts about their careers, and knowledgeable fans of the sport, will do remember, but people tend to value scoring over any other ability in basketball, and even more, the level of skill to do it. No one exemplifies this better than Bryant, because people will remember those scoring records and outbursts when he would drain several straight 3 pointers over several defenders, or when he would dunk over great defenders, or make a difficult turn around fallaway jumper with his left hand, the many game-winning shots, the rise-fall-rise nature of his career, etc. People tend to value those feats with degrees of difficulty more than many other skills or accomplishments.

[Jacks3]

Interesting to go from "clear edge" to "you're saying he doesn't have a case"
Your hate blinds you. KOBE was the best player in the league in 2003, as he was in 06,07,and 08. :pimp:

[Dave3]

Your hate blinds you. KOBE was the best player in the league in 2003, as he was in 06,07,and 08. :pimp:
Completely relevant reply to what I said. Well done. Try adding a few laughing smilies for added "winning" effect.

[Jacks3]

Duncan : couldn't make back to back championships.
Kobe : couldn't make playoffs.

:confusedshrug:
Dunkedon: couldn't make back-to-back Finals.

Kobe: Won three straight titles and made another Finals in a five-year span, and then made three straight Finals with back-to-back Championships with a completely different roster.

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

Completely relevant reply to what I said. Well done. .
Sarcasm. Well done.

[Odinn]

KOBE has more elite years.

Yes, he did.



Kobe has more championships, more Finals, more scoring titles, equal All-NBA teams,and has flat-out been the superior player.

20 years from now people will think about the 00's and the one player that will really stick out is KOBE, not boring old Duncan.

:pimp:
Wilt has more scoring titles than Magic Johnson & Larry Bird & Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, combined.:cheers:

And I guess only ones have "ring math". Kobe have 5 rings, Duncan 4 rings, Bird 3 rings. Kobe>Duncan, Kobe>Bird.:roll:

I am not against the bolded part. Because Kobe played in 2nd biggest market and for biggest/most popular franchise in history. And got more media attention. But if we can say Russell > Chamberlain, people can say Duncan > Kobe also in the future.

[Jacks3]

[QUOTE=Odinn]Wilt has more scoring titles than Magic Johnson & Larry Bird & Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, combined.:cheers:
And he's arguably better than all of them.:cheers:


And I guess only ones have "ring math". Kobe have 5 rings, Duncan 4 rings, Bird 3 rings. Kobe>Duncan, Kobe>Bird.:roll:
Kobe has good cases against Duncan and Bird. :cheers:


I am not against the bolded part. Because Kobe played in 2nd biggest market and for biggest/most popular franchise in history. And got more media attention. But if we can say Russell > Chamberlain, people can say Duncan > Kobe also in the future.
It has nothing to do with playing in a bigger market really. Kobe's game is just much more exciting and aesthetically pleasing. He's just a lot more interesting than Duncan is. He just has that certain superstar "it" quality that the greats (Magic,Bird,Jordan,West, etc) have had, and Dunkedon has never possessed. Nobody will really care about Dunkedon 20 years now. Kobe, meanwhile, will probably be discussed and revered more than any player of this era except maybe Shaq. He'll be like Wilt today. And yes, that stuff does matter. :pimp:

Just accept it. Kobe>Duncan! :applause:

[32Dayz]

#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61
Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

#9.
Wade : Post Season - PER
Peak : 29.4
Top 5 : 26.64
Top 7 : 24.5

#11.
Jerry West : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.7
Top 5 : 25.36
Top 7 : 24.59

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

------------------------------------

Greatest Player(s) of this Generation.
1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
















4. Kobe

/Thread

[Odinn]

And he's arguably better than all of them.:cheers:
I think Magic&Kareem better than Wilt. But "arguably" that word is important. Yes.



Kobe has good cases against Duncan and Bird. :cheers:
I'm not saying he doesn't have any case. But the stronger cases belong to Duncan&Bird. We're already arguing about Duncan. But for example, Bird's 3 straight MVPs? Kobe has cases surely. But I don't thnik his cases are as strong as you think.


It has nothing to do with playing in a bigger market really. Kobe's game is just much more exciting and aesthetically pleasing. He's just a lot more interesting than Duncan is. He just has that certain superstar "it" quality that the greats (Magic,Bird,Jordan,West, etc) have had, and Dunkedon has never possessed. Nobody will really care about Dunkedon 20 years now. Kobe, meanwhile, will probably be discussed and revered more than any player of this era except maybe Shaq. He'll be like Wilt today. And yes, that stuff does matter. :pimp:
Pure exaggeration. Kobe might be the more exciting one but denying that he benefitted playing for Lakers...:no:


Just accept it. Kobe>Duncan! :applause:
Nope. At this point, if I don't count popularity as a factor(and which is not for me), there is no way Kobe>Duncan.

Kobe still has got serious chance to surpass Duncan. But at this point, in goat list Duncan>Kobe.

[barnett114]

Jacks3 - Stop Bitching. Get over the fact Kobe will never be as great as you want him to be.

[32Dayz]

Kobe still has got serious chance to surpass Duncan.

No he doesn't. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DetroitPistonFan]

No he doesn't. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe actually does and I hate Kobe and Duncan.

[32Dayz]

Kobe actually does and I hate Kobe and Duncan.

Duncan's playoff Production is light years better then Kobe's and he has better intagibals. How would Kobe ever pass him??

Absolutely ridiculous.


#4.
Duncan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 28.4
Top 5 : 26.96
Top 7 : 27.49
Top 10 : 26.67
Top 13 : 25.4

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23


Duncans average production over his "10" best seasons is on par with Kobe's absolute Peak season.

This isnt a discussion.

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[Jacks3]

Jacks3 - Stop Bitching.
Barnett114-Stop hating. Get over the fact that Kobe is far greater than you think he is.

[Jacks3]

Kobe still has got serious chance to surpass Duncan. But at this point, in goat list Duncan>Kobe.
That's cool. Agree to disagree. :cheers:

[Soundwave]

I'd still take prime Shaq > prime Kobe.

Just too dominant.

When I think of the post-Jordan generation I think of Shaq as the most individual dominant force, never seen anything like that.

In the NBA there's a new hot shot wing player that does similar things every couple of years now cause they all want to play like Jordan, albiet Kobe has been the most successful so far.

Wade, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, McGrady for a while, etc. Wade and LeBron still have plenty of time to build their cases too.

People were ready to annoint LeBron one of the greatest players ever after the Bulls series last year (ahem ... Scottie?), lol. When/if he eventually does win a title everyone will be on his nuts saying he's even better than Kobe and should only be compared to MJ.

[32Dayz]

@ Soundwave : I agree

Kobe didnt do anything to significantly separate himself from TMac from 00-04 or DWade/Lebron from 05-11.

He is put on a pedestal even though his Production/Impact is not superior.

Its a classic case of a player being judged far to much based on what his teams accomplished and too little on his own ability/impact he had for those teams.

I dont mind saying he was the best SG from 00-09 or 01-10 but the only reason why he is clearly ahead of say TMac on my ATList is due to longevity not because he was ever significantly better then a Healthy or Prime TMac.

Wade and Lebron both have a chance to catch or surpass Bean depending on their play and success over the next few years.

Right now though I still acknowledge he is the best SG of this generation. (so far)

[barnett114]

Barnett114-Stop hating. Get over the fact that Kobe is far greater than you think he is.

Says the man who went through 31 accounts on RealGM to defend Kobe.

[L8k3r5]

No he doesn't. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe has already surpassed Duncan a long time ago. And btw 34dayz go back to realgm and troll there. We already have enough trolls over here, and we don't need any more with you joining this forum
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[AlphaWolf24]

player of the decade :bowdown: :bowdown:


and it aint even close..

[AlphaWolf24]

Tony Allen during the 2010 Finals / talking about guarding Kobe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjLLZfezQHI&feature=related

[Nick Young]

peers and experts just confirming what everyone else already knew.

5 rings and 81 points don't lie bitchez

[32Dayz]

Kobe has already surpassed Duncan a long time ago.

In what world?

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe



#4.
Duncan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 28.4
Top 5 : 26.96
Top 7 : 27.49
Top 10 : 26.67 <-----
Top 13 : 25.4

--------------------------

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8 <-----
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62


Duncans 10 best Post Seasons are on Par with Kobe's absolute PEAK Post Season.

Not to mention this doesnt account for intangibals like Duncan being a legit GOAT Defensive anchor and 100x times more impactful on that side of the floor and a much better leader.

Duncan >>>> Kobe you fool in every possible way. :facepalm

[Nick Young]

@ Soundwave : I agree

Kobe didnt do anything to significantly separate himself from TMac from 00-04 or DWade/Lebron from 05-11.

Yes he did, he won playoff series' and rings.

[AlphaWolf24]

peers and experts just confirming what everyone else already knew.

5 rings and 81 points don't lie bitchez


even without all that..



on pure love of the game and a skillset 2nd to none...Kobe>

[32Dayz]

Yes he did, he won playoff series' and rings.

By Playing with the best player in the game at the time Shaq Diesel.

TMac/Iverson or Wade/Lebron easily win 4-5+ Rings with 8 Years of Prime Diesel.

The only think that seperates Kobe from those guys is his ridiculous Bill Russell/Kareem type luck when it came to supporting Casts. :facepalm

Dont forget how the GOAT Chucker sabotaged Shaq due to extreme jealousy in 04 and not wanting him to get a 4th FMVP.

[AlphaWolf24]

By Playing with the best player in the game at the time Shaq Diesel.

TMac/Iverson or Wade/Lebron easily win 4-5+ Rings with 8 Years of Prime Diesel.

The only think that seperates Kobe from those guys is his ridiculous Bill Russell/Kareem type luck when it came to supporting Casts. :facepalm

Dont forget how the GOAT Chucker sabotaged Shaq due to extreme jealousy in 04 and not wanting him to get a 4th FMVP.


love it....keep it up.



the Kobe hate/ Lebron winning with a great team schtick is hilarious..

(repped.....green bars = amazing basketball knowlege):roll:

[Nick Young]

even without all that..



on pure love of the game and a skillset 2nd to none...Kobe>
In terms of pure will power and determination Kobe>all

[32Dayz]

Killeeeeeeer INSTINCT.... BLACK MAMBA

EYES OF THE TIGER.

NO CONTEST #1.

POW POW POW.

:lol

[Nick Young]

By Playing with the best player in the game at the time Shaq Diesel.

TMac/Iverson or Wade/Lebron easily win 4-5+ Rings with 8 Years of Prime Diesel.

The only think that seperates Kobe from those guys is his ridiculous Bill Russell/Kareem type luck when it came to supporting Casts. :facepalm

Dont forget how the GOAT Chucker sabotaged Shaq due to extreme jealousy in 04 and not wanting him to get a 4th FMVP.
Wade won just one ring with Shaq.

Lebron can't even win a ring with Wade and Bosh. And oh yeah Lebron did play with Shaq and couldn't even make the finals.

TMac can't even win a playoff series with Yao Ming. What makes you think Shaq would be any different?

[32Dayz]

Wade won just one ring with Shaq.

Lebron can't even win a ring with Wade and Bosh. And oh yeah Lebron did play with Shaq and couldn't even make the finals.

TMac can't even win a playoff series with Yao Ming. What makes you think Shaq would be any different?

Wade had 2 years with "Grandpa" not "Prime Shaq" and would have won 2 Rings if not for both of them getting injured in 05.

Then he had garbage Casts until 2011.

Kobe had 8 Years with Prime Shaq + 3-4 Years with Gasol/Odom/Bynum/Ariza/Artest AKA Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast.

So thats 12 Years of Contender Worthy Casts.

Wade has had 3.. or 2 if you count injury riddled 05.

Kobe = Bill Russell / Kareem of this Era.

[AlphaWolf24]

Wade had 2 years with "Grandpa" not "Prime Shaq" and would have won 2 Rings if not for both of them getting injured in 05.

Then he had garbage Casts until 2011.

Kobe had 8 Years with Prime Shaq + 3-4 Years with Gasol/Odom/Bynum/Ariza/Artest AKA Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast.

So thats 12 Years of Contender Worthy Casts.

Wade has had 3.. or 2 if you count injury riddled 05.

Kobe = Bill Russell / Kareem of this Era.


Wade had motivated Shaq who lost over 40lbs....Kobe had to play with Fat Snaq who was Lazy after winning it all in 2000...

Lebron has had an allstar center his whole career...and now is on the most stacked team of alltime...and still choked.

[Swaggin916]

Kobe was definitively the best player in the league in '06, and '08.

Everything besides that is very debatable.

Yea true id say 07 too tho.

[Nevaeh]

again.....flawed stats ???...not about flawed stats son....about recognizing game..


"Kobe is on the level of Michael Jordan.....Wade and Lebron are still trying to hopefully one day get close to those guys" -Pat Riley Miami Heat coach



Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
As a Laker fan you should be very happy. If you are a Kobe fan, you cant be happy about his legacy decreasing by the title......lmaooo.....

-6-24 and his team wins.....continuing to be the worst big game player ever
-37-97 .360% in game 7's
-38-108 .352% in title winning games
-41% in 37 finals games....
-66-163 .400% to win finals mvp, lowest fg% for a finals mvp



Not really..........

[AlphaWolf24]

Not really..........


according to Riley...:confusedshrug: he said it


YUMAD4

[bwink23]

according to Riley...:confusedshrug: he said it


YUMAD4


Did you revive your own thread??? LOSER...

:cletus:

[Horatio33]

If Kobe is so great, why do you have to keep pushing these agendas? If he was that good you wouldn't have to keep telling us. Kobe stans are like 14 year old girls talking about boys. "kobe is AMAZING! I think he is such a GREAT GUY! WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?! WHY?! WHY?!"

[AlphaWolf24]

Did you revive your own thread??? LOSER...

:cletus:


oh no...I opened the door!!:roll:

[TheMan]

AlphaWolf with yet another Kobe thread:facepalm

[kileer7]

He's a polarizing figure, but he's up there. I'm not sure if he's the best though.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's a polarizing figure, but he's up there. I'm not sure if he's the best though.

He's not the best, but by the time his career is over, he's up there with all the legends of the NBA and that's nothing to take away from.

[kileer7]

He's not the best, but by the time his career is over, he's up there with all the legends of the NBA and that's nothing to take away from.
I was telling a friend the other night that everything Kobe does impresses me but at the same time doesn't impress me, but to be 100% he's a beast.

*edit non of the guys in the league really impress. They're all a bunch of clowns to me, it's a view I've just recently developed a week or so ago.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I was telling a friend the other night that everything Kobe does impresses me but at the same time doesn't impress me, but to be 100% he's a beast.

*edit non of the guys in the league really impress. They're all a bunch of clowns to me, it's a view I've just recently developed a week or so ago.

The Golden days have long passed my dude. Thank God we got the Hoopesencyclopedia's, nonplayerzealots' and balthus23's of the world.

[Legends66NBA7]

I was telling a friend the other night that everything Kobe does impresses me but at the same time doesn't impress me, but to be 100% he's a beast.

*edit non of the guys in the league really impress. They're all a bunch of clowns to me, it's a view I've just recently developed a week or so ago.

I can see what you mean.

Lots of dudes have been christened "the next___", but they don't consistently stay at that level.

I could also see why you think their clowns... sometimes, these dudes just don't respect the game and carry with it as much passion and heart, as I would like to see.

[Legends66NBA7]

The Golden days have long passed my dude. Thank God we got the Hoopesencyclopedia's, nonplayerzealots' and balthus23's of the world.

Yup, those guys are awesome man.

ShaqAttack3234 also has his own channel trying to upload videos from the Golden era as well as the 2000's, props to him too.

[I<3NBA]

If Kobe is so great, why do you have to keep pushing these agendas? If he was that good you wouldn't have to keep telling us. Kobe stans are like 14 year old girls talking about boys. "kobe is AMAZING! I think he is such a GREAT GUY! WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?! WHY?! WHY?!"
:applause:

[Mr Know It All]

Kobe fans will always be torn up about the fact that intelligent basketball fans will always have him either at the bottom of their top 10 lists or just outside their GOAT top 10 lists.

He's certainly the most memorablye player of this generation, the most accessible to casual fans. However, Duncan is above him (by a pretty wide margin actually) as are Shaq and Lebron (in the beginning and tail end of the 2000s).

[Heavincent]

Kobe fans will always be torn up about the fact that intelligent basketball fans will always have him either at the bottom of their top 10 lists or just outside their GOAT top 10 lists.

He's certainly the most memorably player of this generation, the most accessible to casual fans. However, Duncan is above him (by a pretty wide margin actually) as are Shaq and Lebron (in the beginning and tail end of the 2000s).

:oldlol:

[gengiskhan]

good for him.

[Mr Know It All]

:oldlol:

Nice rebuttal.:applause:

[gengiskhan]

If Kobe is so great, why do you have to keep pushing these agendas? If he was that good you wouldn't have to keep telling us. Kobe stans are like 14 year old girls talking about boys. "kobe is AMAZING! I think he is such a GREAT GUY! WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?! WHY?! WHY?!"

Oh! Oh!

I BELIEVE YOU HONEY!

KOBE DA GAWD BRYANT HAS SCORED 81 PTS in single Game against the best defense ever in the history of the game.

Thats 9 pts more than David Robinson

Thats 13 pts more than Michael Jordan

Thats ONLY ONLY 19 pts less than Wilt of the Weak 100 pts era.

Kobe da best eva!!!! Now can I go untie my twisted panties :lol :lol :lol :lol

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe fans will always be torn up about the fact that intelligent basketball fans will always have him either at the bottom of their top 10 lists or just outside their GOAT top 10 lists.

He's certainly the most memorablye player of this generation, the most accessible to casual fans. However, Duncan is above him (by a pretty wide margin actually) as are Shaq and Lebron (in the beginning and tail end of the 2000s).


and hardly any are on the interwebz postiong in Forums...

that is the truth.

[NumberSix]

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[bwink23]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m14xor0sou1qi03mi.gif


Apparently being "bigger and more athletic" doesn't have any type of impact on Chris Childs...:roll:

Kobe got PUNKED.

[Nevaeh]

Did you revive your own thread??? LOSER...

:cletus:

You would have thought getting swept last season would humble some of these damn fools.
:oldlol:

Props to posters like NE 1 who had the decency to just lay low for almost a year, and not make a fool of himself like good old AlphaWolf over there.

:cheers:

[bwink23]

You would have thought getting swept last season would humble some of these damn fools.
:oldlol:

Props to posters like NE 1 who had the decency to just lay low for almost a year, and not make a fool of himself like good old AlphaWolf over there.

:cheers:


AlphaWolf acts like he was born from Kobe's mangina....:coleman:

[SwayDizzle]

Apparently being "bigger and more athletic" doesn't have any type of impact on Chris Childs...:roll:

Kobe got PUNKED.
It's easy to look like the tough guy when you throw the first punch, if you think Lawdbe wouldn't have eaten Childs alive right after, you're a moron

[bwink23]

It's easy to look like the tough guy when you throw the first punch, if you think Lawdbe wouldn't have eaten Childs alive right after, you're a moron


Chris Childs tore that shit up.....:pimp:

[PickernRoller]

The usual attendance....no more to be said :oldlol: :oldlol: , so predictable now.

[SwayDizzle]

Chris Childs tore that shit up.....:pimp:
Childs was just jelly :D

[bwink23]

The usual attendance....no more to be said :oldlol: :oldlol: , so predictable now.

I predicted you'd come here with some irrelevant random post on the state of the thread....

Well, well....look who showed up :banana:

[SwayDizzle]

I predicted you'd come here with some irrelevant random post on the state of the thread....

Well, well....look who showed up :banana:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :cheers:

[PickernRoller]

I predicted you'd come here with some irrelevant random post on the state of the thread....

Well, well....look who showed up :banana:

Of course you predicted it.......

http://i41.tinypic.com/bgagz5.jpg

Tell me what is there of substance or worthy of discussion on this thread?........I'll be waiting.......

[SwayDizzle]

Of course you predicted it.....

http://i41.tinypic.com/bgagz5.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: you guys crack me up

[bwink23]

Of course you predicted it.....

http://i41.tinypic.com/bgagz5.jpg



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HUQxGqjOzSM/S_ZBHm6BunI/AAAAAAAAAEg/hbQtOkTCZds/s400/rd6.jpg

[Calabis]

Although I hate his stans, I don't hate Kobe the man himself. I agree, he is the best player of his generation, I don't know why this is being posted like its new news. Yes the gap between his dominance of this generation, has not been as great as others in the past, but let's not act like prime Kobe wasn't a "beast"(I hate that word, but he was great). Sure Lebron may have surpassed him, due to age and injuries, but overrall dominance of this generation belongs to Kobe.

[Calabis]

AlphaWolf acts like he was born from Kobe's mangina....:coleman:

LMAO :applause: :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Post-MJ Era:
Kobe > TD > Shaq

That said, if I was starting a team, I would take Shaq over the other two. A big man like that is exceedingly rare and easier to surround with talent.