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jlip

09-17-2011, 09:27 PM

The number after the team = # of votes.

Who is the toughest player to defend?
1. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 16
2. (tie) Charles Barkley, Philadelphia; Karl Malone, Utah; and Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 2

What starting five would you select?
G Michael Jordan, Chicago, 22
G Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 16
F Karl Malone, Utah, 19
C David Robinson, San Antonio, 13 (Rookie season)
F Charles Barkley, Philadelphia, 11

Who is the best clutch player?
1. Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 12
2. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 9
(No Bird?)

Who is the best rebounder?
1. Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, 17
2. Charles Barkley, Philadelphia, 2
3. (tie) Patrick Ewing, New York, Roy Tarpley, Dallas, and Karl Malone, Utah, 1

Who is the best passer?
1. Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 14
2. [John Stockton], Utah, 6
3. Larry Bird, Boston, 2

Who is the best pure shooter?
1. Dale Ellis, Seattle, 4
2. (tie) Larry Bird, Boston, and Jeff Malone, Washington, 3
4. (tie) Jeff Hornacek, Phoenix; Chris Mullin, Golden State; Reggie Miller, Indiana, and Byron Scott, LA Lakers, 2

Who is the best perimeter defender?
1. (tie) Joe Dumars, Detroit, and Dennis Rodman, Detroit, 5;

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/orlandosentinel/access/90150584.html?dids=90150584:90150584&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Apr+27%2C+1990&author=Roger+Phillips%2C+Long+Beach+Press-Telegram&pub=Orlando+Sentinel&desc=SURVEY%3A+JORDAN+BEST+PLAYER%2C+MAGIC+BEST+IN +CLUTCH&pqatl=google

The article was pay per view, and it was not important enough for me to spend any money on. Therefore I couldn't get the rest of the results.

AlphaWolf24

09-17-2011, 09:50 PM

The number after the team = # of votes.

Who is the toughest player to defend?
1. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 16
2. (tie) Charles Barkley, Philadelphia; Karl Malone, Utah; and Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 2 still able to dominate:bowdown:

What starting five would you select?
G Michael Jordan, Chicago, 22
G Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 16
F Karl Malone, Utah, 19
C David Robinson, San Antonio, 13 (Rookie season) Such a Dynamic player, he could Dribble and Run the court so easily for a Big man....his athleticism was unmatched early in his career...had one of the best Rookie Seasons ever.
F Charles Barkley, Philadelphia, 11

Who is the best clutch player?
1. Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 12 Most people would agree that Magic was #1 choice to have as the main contributor on your team...probably the greatest leader of all time.
2. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 9
(No Bird?)

Who is the best rebounder?
1. Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, 17
2. Charles Barkley, Philadelphia, 2
3. (tie) Patrick Ewing, New York, Roy Tarpley, Dallas, and Karl Malone, Utah, 1

Who is the best passer?
1. Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 14 no doubt about it.
2. [John Stockton], Utah, 6
3. Larry Bird, Boston, 2

Who is the best pure shooter?
1. Dale Ellis, Seattle, 4
2. (tie) Larry Bird, Boston, and Jeff Malone, Washington, 3
4. (tie) Jeff Hornacek, Phoenix; Chris Mullin, Golden State; Reggie Miller, Indiana, and Byron Scott, LA Lakers, 2 2 awsome shooters who teamed up with Malone and Stockton in Utah.

Who is the best perimeter defender?
1. (tie) Joe Dumars, Detroit, and Dennis Rodman, Detroit, 5;

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/orlandosentinel/access/90150584.html?dids=90150584:90150584&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Apr+27%2C+1990&author=Roger+Phillips%2C+Long+Beach+Press-Telegram&pub=Orlando+Sentinel&desc=SURVEY%3A+JORDAN+BEST+PLAYER%2C+MAGIC+BEST+IN +CLUTCH&pqatl=google

The article was pay per view, and it was not important enough for me to spend any money on. Therefore I couldn't get the rest of the results.

Magic:bowdown:

NugzHeat3

09-17-2011, 10:05 PM

I came across this awhile ago and was curious about the rest of the results.

All I could find was Ricky Pierce as the best sixth man, Olajuwon as the best interior defender and the Boston Garden as the best/toughest arena to play in.

Dale Ellis was a money shooter. I'm surprised Eddie Johnson didn't make it.

Legends66NBA7

09-17-2011, 10:10 PM

Excellent Find.

David Robinson certinaly getting high praise for his rookie season.

NugzHeat3

09-17-2011, 10:12 PM

Excellent Find.

David Robinson certinaly getting high praise for his rookie season.
A couple of coaches called him the best player in the league and the MVP cause of the huge turnaround.

It was Nellie and Fitzsimmons I think.

tontoz

09-17-2011, 10:13 PM

Who is the best perimeter defender?
1. (tie) Joe Dumars, Detroit, and Dennis Rodman, Detroit, 5;

I think those guys made the first team All-NBA defense that year.

Magic's name sure shows up a lot. Before Jordan became an icon there were a lot of people saying Magic was the GOAT.

StarJordan

09-17-2011, 10:19 PM

Who is the best clutch player?
1. Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 12
2. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 9
(No Bird?)

uh huh

Hondo

09-17-2011, 10:47 PM

Bird was past it by the season. It would have been interesting to see thatarticle in 1986

JohnnySic

09-18-2011, 08:06 AM

I would say that this time period (late 80's-early 90's) was the absolute peak of the NBA in terms of product and mainstream popularity, although we did not know it at the time.

JohnnySic

09-18-2011, 08:08 AM

David Robinson certinaly getting high praise for his rookie season.
The David Robinson hype was immense for about 2 years, and with good reason I guess. Then Shaq showed up on the horizon and no one cared about DR anymore.

jlip

09-21-2011, 04:00 PM

Magic is my favorite player of all time. He's on the extremely short list of players that I think that you could place on any team and no matter what pieces they already have he could fit in, be effective, and improve them.

che guevara

09-21-2011, 04:36 PM

Interesting that they would consider Magic a better clutch player.

pauk

09-21-2011, 05:07 PM

Who is the toughest player to defend?
1. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 16
2. (tie) Charles Barkley, Philadelphia; Karl Malone, Utah; and Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 2

What starting five would you select?
G Michael Jordan, Chicago, 22
G Magic Johnson, LA Lakers, 16
F Karl Malone, Utah, 19
C David Robinson, San Antonio, 13 (Rookie season)
F Charles Barkley, Philadelphia, 11

i see they used to not overrate the man with the rings back then like they do today..... nice...

SpecialQue

09-21-2011, 05:09 PM

i see they used to not overrate the man with the rings back then like they do today..... nice...

Your agenda is gayer than four guys sucking five dlcks.

Math2

09-21-2011, 07:39 PM

Your agenda is gayer than four guys sucking five dlcks.

lol

97 bulls

09-21-2011, 08:32 PM

Round Mound

09-21-2011, 08:49 PM

Barkley robbed from the 1990 MVP :applause:

L.Kizzle

09-21-2011, 08:52 PM

No Kevin Johnson, where is Glove?

oolalaa

09-21-2011, 08:56 PM

so GMs know who the toughest player to defend was? :roll:

1987_Lakers

09-22-2011, 02:37 AM

Alot of people forget how high people were on David Robinson, he was suppose to be the next Russell/Chamberlain/Kareem.

ThaSwagg3r

09-22-2011, 02:41 AM

i see they used to not overrate the man with the rings back then like they do today..... nice...
If you were to ask who the toughest player to defend today is, LeBron would not even be in the top 3. Dirk would be the clear cut #1, I will tell you that.

DJ Leon Smith

09-22-2011, 03:01 AM

No Kevin Johnson, where is Glove?

Payton wasn't even in the NBA in April, 1990.

Kblaze8855

09-22-2011, 03:03 AM

He meant a poster named glove who for some reason is over the top supportive of Kevin Johnson after suddenly deciding he was elite in retrospect in like 2007....

NugzHeat3

09-22-2011, 12:03 PM

He meant a poster named glove who for some reason is over the top supportive of Kevin Johnson after suddenly deciding he was elite in retrospect in like 2007....
I'm not going to lie and act like KJ was considered cream of the cop back then, because he simply wasn't. The best way to show that is to show what happened on DT II where they completely revamped the roster from DT 1.

KJ wasn't included in the original roster over guys like Mark Price, Steve Smith, Dan Majerle, Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway and one more I think. Miller because I remember him going off in one of the halves.

But the funny thing is Hardaway went down with an injury and they picked Isiah ****ing Thomas over KJ. Isiah was totally done at that point. And you can't tell me it was a PR move or a consolation prize for Zeke, because if the committee felt that way, they would have put him on the original roster. They didn't.

KJ was picked after Timmy and Zeke went down. Ridiculous when you look back at it.

But anyway, I'm one of the people who believes KJ was underrated back then partly due to Chambers getting too much credit and partly due to playing in the golden era for PGs. Hindsight is 20/20.

David Robinson isn't as good as he was considered in retrospect. You can't tell me he was better than Jordan in 1991 or the best prospect since Kareem.

People are often wrong. I was looking at the All-NBA 1st team votes for 1991 and I was shocked that Magic and Jordan weren't unanimous picks. Shit happens.

NugzHeat3

09-22-2011, 01:12 PM

Some other stuff I found from the survey. You can find some valuable info if you look hard enough.

Shoes are named after him, and Spike Lee is his right-hand man. Recognized wherever he goes, Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls is a one-man sellout machine.

Yet in perhaps the greatest tribute to the multi-talented guard, one National Basketball Association general manager says the league's most publicized player is also its most underrated.

"I just think he's spectacular," said the general manager. "He's so good and people recognize he's very, very good. But I don't think they realize how much he does and what he creates.' The vote for Jordan was just one of the findings in a 14-question Long Beach (Calif.) Press-Telegram survey of NBA general managers, assistant coaches and head coaches conducted to coincide with the arrival of the playoffs, which began Thursday.

Several categories produced clear-cut winners:

Jordan is considered, not surprisingly, the league's toughest player to defend and one of the best clutch players.

Magic Johnson of the Los Angeles Lakers edged Jordan as the best clutch player, and easily beat Utah's John Stockton as the best passer.

Rebounding and shot-blocking champion Akeem Olajuwon of Houston was voted the best rebounder and interior defender.

Milwaukee's leading scorer, Ricky Pierce, easily won as best sixth-man.

On the controversial side, Atlanta forward Dominique Wilkins received the most votes in the "most overrated" category, beating out, among others, teammates Jon Koncak and Kevin Willis.

On the other side of the ledger, Phoenix guard Jeff Hornacek was recognized as the NBA's most underrated player. Only one voter opted for Jordan.

I like how three Hawks were picked for the most overrated category.

^This is from the same survey by the way. April 1990.
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1990_700302/jordan-is-darling-of-survey.html

lakers_forever

09-22-2011, 02:12 PM

Karl Malone. He was much better than most people here think. :bowdown:

magnax1

09-22-2011, 02:37 PM

The only surprising thing to me is that Barkley didn't get more votes for the starting lineup then Malone.

Kblaze8855

09-22-2011, 02:43 PM

NugzHeat3

09-22-2011, 07:51 PM

Im surprised of 22 voters 6 didnt want Magic. And I wonder who didnt want either Barkley or Malone. Barkley was on half the lists. I guess Bird could have gotten a lot of votes since it was forwards not power forwards(Barkley played alot of 3 back then anyway). But id like to see the full voting just to see who was beating out Magic.
Found the entire results.

Here are the results of a survey taken of NBA general managers, coaches and assistant coaches:
Who is the toughest player to defend?

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 16 votes

Charles Barkley (Philadelphia), 2 votes

Karl Malone (Utah), 2 votes

Magic Johnson (Lakers), 2 votes

You are general manager of an expansion team, and can select any starting five you wish. Who would you choose?

G Michael Jordan/Bulls 22

G Magic Johnson/Lakers 16

F Karl Malone/Jazz 19

C David Robinson/Spurs 13

F Charles Barkley/76ers 11

BENCH

G Kevin Johnson/Suns 6

G John Stockton/Jazz 1

F James Worthy/Lakers 5

F Larry Bird/Celtics 3

F Buck Williams/Blazers 1

C Patrick Ewing/Knicks 7

C Akeem Olajuwon/Rockets 4

If you could add any player in the league to your roster, who would it be?

David Robinson (San Antonio), 8 votes

Magic Johnson (Lakers), 5 votes

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 3 votes

Larry Bird (Boston), 2 votes

Akeem Olajuwon (Houston), 1 vote

James Worthy (Lakers), 1 vote

Patrick Ewing (New York), 1 vote

Abstain, 1 vote

Who is the best clutch player?

Magic Johnson (Lakers), 12 votes

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 9 votes

Abstain, 1 vote

Who is the best rebounder?

Akeem Olajuwon (Houston), 17 votes

Charles Barkley (Philadelphia), 2 votes

Patrick Ewing (New York), 1 vote

Roy Tarpley (Dallas), 1 vote

Karl Malone (Utah), 1 vote

Who is the best passer?

Magic Johnson (Lakers), 14 votes

John Stockton (Utah), 6 votes

Larry Bird (Boston), 2 votes

Who is the best pure shooter?

Dale Ellis (Seattle), 4 votes

Larry Bird (Boston), 3 votes

Jeff Malone (Washington), 3 votes

Jeff Hornacek (Phoenix), 2 votes

Chris Mullin (Golden State), 2 votes

Reggie Miller (Indiana), 2 votes

Byron Scott (Lakers), 2 votes

Kiki Vandeweghe (New York), 1 vote

Ricky Pierce (Milwaukee), 1 vote

Craig Hodges (Chicago), 1 vote

Mark Price (Cleveland), 1 vote

Who is the best perimeter defender?

Joe Dumars (Detroit), 5 votes

Dennis Rodman (Detroit), 5 votes

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 3 votes

Michael Cooper (Lakers), 4 votes

Derek Harper (Dallas), 3 votes

Fat Lever (Denver), 1 vote

Alvin Robertson (Milwaukee), 1 vote

Who is the best interior defender?

Akeem Olajuwon (Houston), 11 votes

Dennis Rodman (Detroit), 3 votes

Patrick Ewing (New York), 3 votes

Rick Mahorn (Philadelphia), 2 votes

Mark Eaton (Utah), 2 votes

Kevin McHale (Boston), 1 vote

Which coach gets the most out of his talent and has his team best prepared from game-to-game?

Pat Riley (Lakers), 7 votes

Del Harris (Milwaukee), 3 votes

Don Nelson (Golden State), 3 votes

Bill Musselman (Minnesota), 2 votes

Rick Adelman (Portland), 1 vote

Ron Rothstein (Miami), 1 vote

Chuck Daly (Detroit), 1 vote

Wes Unseld (Washington), 1 vote

Abstain, 3 votes

Who is the best sixth-man in the league?

Ricky Pierce (Milwaukee), 18 votes

John Williams (Cleveland), 3 votes

Vlade Divac (Lakers), 1 vote

What is the toughest arena to play in?

Boston Garden (Boston), 7 votes

The Forum (Lakers), 4 votes

Chicago Stadium (Chicago), 2 votes

Salt Palace (Utah), 1 vote

McNichols Arena (Denver), 1 vote

Madison Square Garden (New York), 1 vote

Memorial Coliseum (Portland), 1 vote

Charlotte Coliseum (Charlotte), 1 vote

Abstain, 4 votes

Who is the most overrated player in the league?

Dominique Wilkins (Atlanta), 6 votes

Jon Koncak (Atlanta) 2 votes

Mark Jackson (New York), 2 votes

Dale Ellis (Seattle), 1 vote

Michael Cage (Seattle), 1 vote

Kevin Willis (Atlanta), 1 vote

Sam Perkins (Dallas), 1 vote

Kiki Vandeweghe (New York), 1 vote

Joe Barry Carroll (Denver), 1 vote

Abstain, 6 votes

Who is the most underrated player in the league?

Jeff Hornacek (Phoenix), 5 votes

Derek Harper (Dallas), 3 votes

Terry Porter (Portland), 2 votes

Horace Grant (Chicago), 2 votes

Fat Lever (Denver), 1 vote

Kevin Johnson (Phoenix), 1 vote

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 1 vote

James Worthy (Lakers), 1 vote

A.C. Green (Lakers), 1 vote

Maurice Cheeks (New York), 1 vote

Reggie Miller (Indiana), 1 vote

Joe Dumars (Detroit), 1 vote

Tom Chambers (Phoenix), 1 vote

John Stockton (Utah), 1 vote

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1990_700301

Bolded struck me as surprising.

Oh yeah, you ain't ****ing with KJ now.

jlip

09-22-2011, 10:17 PM

Great find, NugzHeat3!

KGMN

09-23-2011, 12:48 AM

Umm....

Which coach gets the most out of his talent and has his team best prepared from game-to-game?

Pat Riley (Lakers), 7 votes
Del Harris (Milwaukee), 3 votes
Don Nelson (Golden State), 3 votes
Bill Musselman (Minnesota), 2 votes
Rick Adelman (Portland), 1 vote
Ron Rothstein (Miami), 1 vote
Chuck Daly (Detroit), 1 vote
Wes Unseld (Washington), 1 vote
Abstain, 3 votes

Timberwolves: 22-60.

iamgine

09-23-2011, 01:19 AM

Umm....

Timberwolves: 22-60.
Could easily be 11 - 71.

The coach increased their win by 100%! :eek:

Warriors fan

09-23-2011, 01:22 AM

Alot of people forget how high people were on David Robinson, he was suppose to be the next Russell/Chamberlain/Kareem.
What Happen?

miles berg

09-23-2011, 04:26 AM

What Happen?

Shaq came along.

NugzHeat3

09-23-2011, 10:03 AM

Shaq came along.
Shaq did take away some of Robinson's hype but I don't think the Robinson hype totally died down until he manhandled by Hakeem. That's when people started calling him soft and recognizing his weaknesses.

I would have loved to seen a Robinson vs Shaq playoff match up in the mid 90s. Wish they played in the same conference, or even division. Robinson may have got the better off him in the season but I have little doubt Shaq would have killed him in the playoffs.

Shaq called this guy out even before the stat padding incident. Robinson would always tell the media Shaq had nothing to be jealous from. Nice little rivalry that was developing.

Sick match up between the two from 1994.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_duu5wu3s&feature=channel_video_title
^Robinson's highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLMs8uBRrnA&feature=relmfu
^Shaq's. Look at the first move in the video. He fakes Robinson out of his shoes. This guy wasn't skilled.

:facepalm

NugzHeat3

09-23-2011, 10:04 AM

Great find, NugzHeat3!
Thanks man. :cheers:

This thread inspired me to do it. Really interesting idea.

EricForman

09-23-2011, 12:52 PM

Rodman got votes fr best perimeter and interior defender :bowdown:

Kblaze8855

09-23-2011, 01:14 PM

Look at the first move in the video. He fakes Robinson out of his shoes.

He did pretty much bodybag him.

DuMa

09-23-2011, 01:14 PM

If you could add any player in the league to your roster, who would it be?

David Robinson (San Antonio), 8 votes

Magic Johnson (Lakers), 5 votes

Michael Jordan (Chicago), 3 votes

Larry Bird (Boston), 2 votes

Akeem Olajuwon (Houston), 1 vote

James Worthy (Lakers), 1 vote

Patrick Ewing (New York), 1 vote

Abstain, 1 vote

this shit was surprising. i guess GMs are thinking take the younger talented center over the 2 surest things in the NBA? WRONNNNNNNNNNNNNG

while i think the DRob hype was deserved, i still dont think you pick hype over a sure thing. 8 GMs are idiots and the 2 who vote for Worthy and Ewing are also morons

Kblaze8855

09-23-2011, 01:30 PM

That was before Ewing slowed down/got banged up and became mostly a jump shooter. Ewing was having a 29/11 season shooting 55% and blocking 4 shots a game. And it was taken in april? In the previous two months he had averaged 32/12 and 31/12 on 58 and 59% shooting. In April and march he had games of:

40/15
37/19/9 blocks
37/17 the game before that
37/21/6/5 two games before that

Which was 2 games after he had 51/18 and 41/12 in back to back games. He was having games of 44/22. And 44/24.

He was straight rampaging through the NBA. And really so was Karl Malone. Karl put up 34/10, 29/9, and 33/13 in the months leading up to this survey.

So both of them got a little more love than they likely would at an average point of their careers.

But you can see why. They were on top of their games. 1990 was before I even decided Karl Malone was a bitch. He had not started the soft ass fadeaways 19 times a game. He rebounded more. He wasnt as good a passer back then but he was going pretty hard for a while there.

catch24

09-23-2011, 01:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLMs8uBRrnA&feature=relmfu
^Shaq's. Look at the first move in the video. He fakes Robinson out of his shoes. This guy wasn't skilled.

:bowdown: :eek:

Have this game on tape. I remember laughing pretty loud at how ridiculous that move was. Moved like Hakeem...finished like the Diesel.

jlip

09-23-2011, 01:52 PM

To the Shaq/ D-Rob quasi rivalry...Because of his step father's military career Shaq lived in San Antonio for a while. I remember Shaq saying that when he was a teenager, Robinson brushed him off for an autograph or something like that, and he never forgot it. That '94 scoring title stat padding move by the Spurs was definitely a little bush league though.

jlip

09-23-2011, 02:00 PM

this shit was surprising. i guess GMs are thinking take the younger talented center over the 2 surest things in the NBA? WRONNNNNNNNNNNNNG

while i think the DRob hype was deserved, i still dont think you pick hype over a sure thing. 8 GMs are idiots and the 2 who vote for Worthy and Ewing are also morons

I think that this was like the Unseld 1969 MVP. As a rookie, D-Rob was the centerpiece (no pun intended) of a major turnaround (35 games). The hype and emotions surrounding stories like that tend to get the best of people.

Shade8780

06-03-2013, 04:01 PM

Interesting to see 'Nique as the most overrated.