A LeBron-led team will never win the Finals

[nathanjizzle]

dwyane wade is his only chance to win a championship. They only have next year and i dont believe they will win. Without wade, lebron being the sole leader of a team will never win a championship.

[All Net]

The idiots on this board are getting worse and worse :facepalm

[Lebron23]

And Rose will never win an NBA Championship, and he will never be voted again in the All NBA First Team. CP3 or Deron Williams are going to claim his spot.

He also choked in the conference finals last season. 23.4 ppg on 35 FG%.

[L8kersfan222]

:applause:

[Lebron23]

I hope the Knicks will have a better record than the Bulls, but before that they need to replace Mike D'Antoni. I want to see a very competitive conference finals next season.

[Legends66NBA7]

Debrick Roseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Mr. One hit wonderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Don't be like them bro. You should be better than that. They don't mean what they say, they just trying to spurn you.

Let LeBron James prove them wrong. Never is a long time and LeBron is still far from done.

[Lebron23]

Don't be like them bro. You should be better than that. They don't mean what they say, they just trying to spurn you.

Let LeBron James prove them wrong. Never is a long time and LeBron is still far from done.


I wish the NBA lockout is officially over. I am really disappointed on LeBron's performance in the NBA Finals. I gave the Mavericks some credits because they were the hungrier team, But next season the Heat, LeBron and Wade are going to be more motivated.

I hope Stern will allow them to play some physical defense on their opponents.

[bballer]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Phong]

All the LeBrick fans getting all bitter.. :oldlol:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

[ihatetimthomas]

I wish the NBA lockout is officially over. I am really disappointed on LeBron's performance in the NBA Finals. I gave the Mavericks some credits because they were the hungrier team, But next season the Heat, LeBron and Wade are going to be more motivated.

I hope Stern will allow them to play some physical defense on their opponents.

Thats a BS excuse. If a player like Lebron James needs extra motivation to play better in the finals then that is sad. He bounced on Cleveland, didnt make it to the finals the previous 2 years with the best record, and had critics up his ass all year long. Why in the world would he need more motivation?

Plain and simple, Mavs were the better team. Had nothing to do with lack of motivation from Wade and Lebron. Lebron will need to show up in the big games if he is going to shut critics up.

[alenleomessi]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 1 year
fixed

[Phong]

Thats a BS excuse. If a player like Lebron James needs extra motivation to play better in the finals then that is sad.Every summer it's the same bullshit.

2009: He's getting all kind of hate for not shaking Dwight's hand and confiscating tapes. Next year he's coming back with a vengeance because, like he said, he's a winner! He will be extra motivated.

2010: He's super pissed off. People say he quit against the Celtics and ran off to play sidekick. He's taking mental notes and all the hate he got this summer is fueling him like never before. LeBron with a do or die mentality is super scary.

2011: blah blah blah same bullshit.


His fans will never learn. :facepalm

[sh0wtime]

You got alot of cojones, i give you that. To be so certain about such a evil statement so early in Lebrons career you would at least had to see Lebron first fail over and over again with amplified help around him, he has failed yes, but not with "bountiful" help required to really prevail. So what could you possibly base that ridicilous declaration on? This one Finals loss?

Its only now he has established abundant help and he did get very close, with the consideration of this being an entirely new team, role for him and most of those players in that team, they did plentiful. Next season, i would expect him and his teammates to be much more appropriate with the new roles, offense and chemistry, this process will be much more complete. Despite this, they would have probably won it if he played up to his standards in the Finals anyways, what makes you think he will put up those horrific numbers in the Finals again when you deep down inside know that if that series was replayed he would most likely play much better?
Its highly likely the Miami Heat will win a championship next season, i am not afraid to say that.

One more thing, he is only 26 for the love of god, i bet if the Internet and ISH existed back in the 80's you would make these threads about Michael Jordan aswell considering he didnt win a Finals series until he was 28.

Infact, here is the age of the typical top 10 players of all time when they won their first championships being "the man" of theirs teams.


Oscar Robertson won his first and only championship when he was 33 years old and he was not really "the man" of that team.


Wilt Chamberlain won his first championship when he was 31 years old.


Michael Jordan won his first championship when he was 28 years old.


Shaquille Oneal won his first championship when he was 28 years old.


Kareem Abdul Jabbar won his first championship when he was 24 years old.


Kobe Bryant won his first "the man" championship when he was 30-31 years old.


Magic Johnson won his first "the man" championship when he was 28 years old, thats when at least nobody doubted him being "the man" of that team, previous championships Kareem was "the man" and then it was a 1A / 1B situation.


Bill Russell won his first "the man" championship when he was 22-23 years old.


Tim Duncan won his first "the man" championship when he was 22-23 years old.


Larry Bird won his first championship when he was 24-25 years old.


So out of all the top 10 players of all time, only 4 were younger and 6 were older than Lebron when they officially led a team to a championship.

My point with this is, calm down, its still to early to hoist up such wild manifestos.

[Math2]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

Make you look dumb and him smart

[All Net]

Lebron is only 26 years old...he has the chance to win many titles and I think he has a legit chance at winning 2-3 in a row starting now. Him, Wade and Bosh could be starting something speical here if they add to their roster in certain areas.

I'm not afraid to say that either, It's tough to see anything but a Heat championship next season.

[guy]

And Rose will never win an NBA Championship, and he will never be voted again in the All NBA First Team. CP3 or Deron Williams are going to claim his spot.

He also choked in the conference finals last season. 23.4 ppg on 35 FG%.

How about you talk sh*t when Rose doesn't just play bad, but quits on his team two years in a row with one of those years having teammates as good as Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh?

[Friday]

Lebron is only 26 years old...he has the chance to win many titles and I think he has a legit chance at winning 2-3 in a row starting now. Him, Wade and Bosh could be starting something speical here if they add to their roster in certain areas.

I'm not afraid to say that either, It's tough to see anything but a Heat championship next season.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[nathanjizzle]

And Rose will never win an NBA Championship, and he will never be voted again in the All NBA First Team. CP3 or Deron Williams are going to claim his spot.

He also choked in the conference finals last season. 23.4 ppg on 35 FG%.

am i suppose to be hurt by this? i already know rose will win atleast one championship, ive been sure of this since his first game for the bulls. Lebron on the other hand ...........

[Dave3]

Every summer it's the same bullshit.

2009: He's getting all kind of hate for not shaking Dwight's hand and confiscating tapes. Next year he's coming back with a vengeance because, like he said, he's a winner! He will be extra motivated.

2010: He's super pissed off. People say he quit against the Celtics and ran off to play sidekick. He's taking mental notes and all the hate he got this summer is fueling him like never before. LeBron with a do or die mentality is super scary.

2011: blah blah blah same bullshit.


His fans will never learn. :facepalm
I see...so if a player has failed in the past, he can't succeed in the future correct? Or is this idea only exclusive to LeBron?

[Legends66NBA7]

I see...so if a player has failed in the past, he can't succeed in the future correct? Or is this idea only exclusive to LeBron?

+1.

[Phong]

I see...so if a player has failed in the past, he can't succeed in the future correct? Or is this idea only exclusive to LeBron?Succeed at what? Being motivated? Stay on topic dumbass.

[Dave3]

Succeed at what? Being motivated? Stay on topic dumbass.
Don't act like you only mean motivation wise. You've made it very clear in numerous other threads you don't think LeBron can lead a team to a championship. Think about your biggest fans. ThaSwagg3r, Alphawolf24, kaiuu, Thelogo etc. You're pretty much only respected by the dumbest of the forums and you're calling me names? Really?

Let me ask you up front then. Do you believe LeBron canNOT win a championship as the best player on his team in the future?

[Phong]

Don't act like you only mean motivation wise. You've made it very clear in numerous other threads you don't think LeBron can lead a team to a championship. Think about your biggest fans. ThaSwagg3r, Alphawolf24, kaiuu, Thelogo etc. You're pretty much only respected by the dumbest of the forums and you're calling me names? Really?

Let me ask you up front then. Do you believe LeBron canNOT win a championship as the best player on his team in the future?"Don't act like blah blah blah..." Just shut the **** up moron. I specifically quoted the motivation part and was only talking about that aspect. If you're butthurt by my other posts address them in the appropriate thread. Regarding my "fans", I don't give a shit who respects me or not. I don't look for validation on a message board. :rolleyes:

As for LeBron winning, he may win. Who knows? So far he has been talking a lot but has done nothing but fail on the biggest stage. You can make movies in your head in which LeBron is a winner if it makes you feel better.

[Dave3]

"Don't act like blah blah blah..." Just shut the **** up moron. I specifically quoted the motivation part and was only talking about that aspect. If you're butthurt by my other posts address them in the appropriate thread. Regarding my "fans", I don't give a shit who respects me or not. I don't look for validation on a message board. :rolleyes:

As for LeBron winning, he may win. Who knows? So far he has been talking a lot but has done nothing but fail on the biggest stage. You can make movies in your head in which LeBron is a winner if it makes you feel better.
Wow, getting pretty mad aggressive there. So because I decided to address something you said in a different thread you're all mad?

And who said to look for validation? So there's no middle ground between seeking validation and just posting crap? The people who enjoy your posts are the trolls. I'm not telling you that says who you are as a person, but it sure as hell shows the quality of your posts. Pretty much that they're troll material.

And you just said "he may win." Pretty much all I was looking for. My life will not change one bit whether LeBron wins or not, nor do I really care that much if he does. The basketball argument here isn't the issue. The issue is when people say stupid things like "___ will NEVER happen" as if they can predict the future. Fact of the matter is making almost any statement like that is retarded because no one knows for sure what will happen. Ergo threads such as "A Dirk led team will never win" or "Kobe will never win without Shaq" or any other "never" threads. My issue isn't with what people say about LeBron. I don't know him nor do I care one but about him personally (or any other NBA player). My issue is with blatant stupidity, because stupidity is one of my pet peeves.

[Phong]

First of all, if you quote something you address it. You don't go off on a tangent. And you say stupidity is your pet peeve? :facepalm If you want to ask me something unrelated to my post then put my nickname in your post and I'll know it's meant for me. :facepalm

Second of all, it took you all this time to figure out that I'm trolling hard? Again, I don't care who enjoys my post or not.

[Dave3]

First of all, if you quote something you address it. You don't go off on a tangent. And you say stupidity is your pet peeve? :facepalm If you want to ask me something unrelated to my post then put my nickname in your post and I'll know it's meant for me. :facepalm

Second of all, it took you all this time to figure out that I'm trolling hard? Again, I don't care who enjoys my post or not.
Your post was about excuses LeBron's fans make for him when he loses every year. That with your history of trolling about LeBron and claiming he can't win was enough to get me to ask the question. Was it that much of a stretch? You say LeBron hasn't won in previous years and his fans will never learn. That pretty much clearly implies you don't think he can't win in the future, or else why would his fans never learn? You're saying he's never going to have the motivation. Isn't motivation required for winning? Therefore if you don't believe he's never going to have the motivation, then you believe he's also never going to win as the team leader. Unless of course you think he can win as the team leader without being motivated...
My question was completely within the bounds of the post I quoted.

And did I give a timeline on when I figured out you were trolling? I just said you are. Where the hell did the time thing come in my post? Making up stuff?

[Phong]

Your post was about excuses LeBron's fans make for him when he loses every year. That with your history of trolling about LeBron and claiming he can't win was enough to get me to ask the question. Was it that much of a stretch? You say LeBron hasn't won in previous years and his fans will never learn. That pretty much clearly implies you don't think he can win in the future, or else why would his fans never learn? You're saying he's never going to have the motivation. Isn't motivation required for winning? Therefore if you don't believe he's never going to have the motivation, then you believe he's also never going to win as the team leader. Unless of course you think he can win as the team leader without being motivated...
My question was completely within the bounds of the post I quoted.

And did I give a timeline on when I figured out you were trolling? I just said you are. Where the hell did the time thing come in my post? Making up stuff?OMG. Reading comprehension fail. :facepalm

I said that every year LeBron's fans are telling whoever wants to hear that LeBron will come back even more motivated and will run over the league. And every year it hasn't happened. At some point they'll have to realize it's not a motivation problem. Unless getting shitted on for years wasn't enough to motivated him enough. Is there a motivation threshold he has to reach to tap into his super saiyan like potential? Give me a break.

Anyway, this discussion is over.. you're boring. :sleeping

[Dave3]

OMG. Reading comprehension fail. :facepalm

I said that every year LeBron's fans are telling whoever wants to hear that LeBron will come back even more motivated and will run over the league. And every year it hasn't happened. At some point they'll have to realize it's not a motivation problem. Unless getting shitted on for years wasn't enough to motivated him enough. Is there a motivation threshold he has to reach to tap into his super saiyan like potential? Give me a break.

Anyway, this discussion is over.. you're boring. :sleeping
Notice how you just clarified way more than you did in your initial post? That's because everything you just said now wasn't in the initial post, and so my interpretation was valid. And I know it's over, I explained to you why you're wrong lol. You now understand (I hope), and you've clearly stated that you don't think LeBron will never win. That was the real question I was asking.

[Phong]

Notice how you just clarified way more than you did in your initial post? That's because everything you just said now wasn't in the initial post, and so my interpretation was valid. And I know it's over, I explained to you why you're wrong lol. You now understand (I hope), and you've clearly stated that you don't think LeBron will never win. That was the real question I was asking.Only an idiot would make all kind of assumptions based on nothing I said. I quoted ihatetimthomas who specifically talked about the motivation BS. I addressed it by mentioning more motivation stuff. You ASSUMED all the rest on your own. :facepalm

And to be exact, I didn't say that I don't think LeBron will never win. I said I don't know. Two different things. Again, reading comprehension fail.

[Dave3]

Only an idiot would make all kind of assumptions based on nothing I said. I quoted ihatetimthomas who specifically talked about the motivation BS. I addressed it by mentioning more motivation stuff. You ASSUMED all the rest on your own. :facepalm

And to be exact, I didn't say that I don't think LeBron will never win. I said I don't know. Two different things. Again, reading comprehension fail.
Except for the part where I've already explained to you how it was all implied by your original post that U quoted, and that my inference logically followed from what you wrote. There was nothing I bought that wasn't already in your post. I don't know how to make it any clearer. If you were trying to understand you'd reread the post where I explained. Since I doubt you are and you're just being defensive, there's no point in arguing I guess. I'll be more than willing to clarify anything you don't understand if you actually read and tried to understand my previous post, but again, I doubt you care enough to. On that note, there's nothing else I can do for you if you won't attempt to read for yourself. I have to wake up early tomorrow anyways, so goodnight.

[ThaSwagg3r]

No surprise here with Dave3 having comprehension problems. All Phong said was that LeBron has always lacked motivation and the same non-sense has been spilled every off-season about him going to be "hungry" next season or him out to prove everyone wrong.

Dave3 I recommend Hooked on Phonics for you.

[D-Wade316]

No surprise here with Dave3 having comprehension problems. All Phong said was that LeBron has always lacked motivation and the same non-sense has been spilled every off-season about him going to be "hungry" next season or him out to prove everyone wrong.

Dave3 I recommend Hooked on Phonics for you.
What's up with your avatar? Stop pretending on who you are. :facepalm

[Phong]

You have absolutely nothing to explain when you clearly didn't understand my post. You saying this at the beginning just shows that:

Your post was about excuses LeBron's fans make for him when he loses every year.
I didn't even mention excuses for his losses. I mentioned his fans talking about motivation as a determining factor for the following year. The rest of your post is just a ridiculous strawman.

You're saying he's never going to have the motivation. Isn't motivation required for winning? Therefore if you don't believe he's never going to have the motivation, then you believe he's also never going to win as the team leader.When did I say he will never have the motivation? I didn't. You just put words in my mouth and then run along with more of your moronic logic. "you said this (which I didn't) so it means that and that too..." And you say stupidity is your pet peeve? :facepalm

Talking to you is just painful as everything has to be explained word for word and you still don't get it. Maybe some drawings would help you. :facepalm

[knicksman]

Notice how you just clarified way more than you did in your initial post? That's because everything you just said now wasn't in the initial post, and so my interpretation was valid. And I know it's over, I explained to you why you're wrong lol. You now understand (I hope), and you've clearly stated that you don't think LeBron will never win. That was the real question I was asking.

just admit that youre an idiot bro:lol

[Dave3]

You have absolutely nothing to explain when you clearly didn't understand my post. You saying this at the beginning just shows that:

I didn't even mention excuses for his losses.

Except that the excuses are about the motivation, which would be a preceding factor to winning, so when you imply he'll never be motivated, you're also ultimately saying he'll never win.


When did I say he will never have the motivation? I didn't. You just put words in my mouth and then run along with more of your moronic logic. "you said this (which I didn't) so it means that and that too..." And you say stupidity is your pet peeve? :facepalm

You did clearly imply that you think he won't ever have the motivation though. What the hell does "his fans never learn" mean then? There are two possibilities you meant by that. Either they won't learn because
a) his motivation will never be strong enough to win (in which case he doesn't win)
b) his motivation isn't a related factor to winning (in which case you're implying he won't win regardless of motivation)

Both of those possibilities imply that he won't be winning, and because his fans eventually expect him to, they haven't learned from the past.

Clear enough?

[Phong]

Except that the excuses are about the motivation, which would be a preceding factor to winning, so when you imply he'll never be motivated, you're also ultimately saying he'll never win.

You did clearly imply that you think he won't ever have the motivation though. What the hell does "his fans never learn" mean then? There are two possibilities you meant by that. Either they won't learn because
a) his motivation will never be strong enough to win (in which case he doesn't win)
b) his motivation isn't a related factor to winning (in which case you're implying he won't win regardless of motivation)

Both of those possibilities imply that he won't be winning, and because his fans eventually expect him to, they haven't learned from the past.

Clear enough?The only thing clear is that you are trying too hard to twist what I said to fit what you assumed.

His fans never learn that talking about motivation is irrelevant because he didn't lose because of it. He lost because he played bad. Period.

You're so dense. :facepalm

[Dave3]

The only thing clear is that you are trying too hard to twist what I said to fit what you assumed.

His fans never learn that talking about motivation is irrelevant because he didn't lose because of it. He lost because he played bad. Period.

You're so dense. :facepalm
Except it's not twisting when it's right there. If I say

"LeBron fans keep thinking he's going to win, and he hasn't won in the past. His fans never learn"

Does that mean
a) I think he's going to win a championship
or b) I don't think he's going to win a championship

You're right, that's such a far reach...

And I agree that motivation had nothing to do with it. Actually, no one has even said anything about motivation being a factor this year. Everyone has said he's played like crap (including myself) except for Pauk, and he should be ignored as much as Alphwolf.

[Phong]

Except it's not twisting when it's right there. If I say

"LeBron fans keep thinking he's going to win, and he hasn't won in the past. His fans never learn"There's absolutely no point talking to you. You just come up with some example that has nothing to do with what I said and roll with it to make your point. If your premise is wrong your entire argument is going to be wrong as well. Funny how you decided to omit "motivation" completely from your little example when it was the basis of my post.

Since yesterday the only thing you've done is reaching for straws because you misunderstood my point. The discussion is done.. :facepalm

[ThaSwagg3r]

Phong, next time just post "LeBron James" and nothing more

I'm sure Dave3 will overanalyze it again and say that you are calling him a scrub that could never win a championship.

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
OP bodybagged

[red1]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
OP bodybagged
holy f*ck at that phong kid. lebron zipped him up and tossed him in a ditch

[bokes15]

The guy said as the SOLE LEADER without Wade... So I don't see where it's wrong. He was the best player on the team, definitely, but I see them as co-pilots in terms of leadership rather than 1 being the leader and the other being a follower.

[RRR3]

The guy said as the SOLE LEADER without Wade... So I don't see where it's wrong. He was the best player on the team, definitely, but I see them as co-pilots in terms of leadership rather than 1 being the leader and the other being a follower.
:kobe:

[pauk]

What the.. another similar thread? :oldlol:

[lebeast666]

It's time to get that 2013 Miami Heat Championship Cruise under way...:oldlol:

[RRR3]

:lol

[Apogee]

Its nathanjizz what do you expect. He's blinded by all the stickyness

[ripthekik]

Let's take a look at Lebron 2012's playoff run again.

Facts:

1) Teammates
He has a top 2 SG who is capable of dropping 30/6/6 on ANY given night. He has proven this by several games in the pacer series and finals.

He also has a top 5 PF who is capable of dropping 20points/10 rebounds any night. During the finals it was Bosh who hustled for the most important plays and rebounds.

Just because these 2 guys didn't put up their numbers like when they lead their own team, doesn't mean they CAN'T. They CAN, and WILL, any time they sense lebron choking. They just have to do it for a few mins each game, and it will have seem like Lebron did it all.

2) His competition is crap. (No disrespect)
Knicks? With how many people injured?
Pacers? There's not even a star that can lead this team. Yet they even lead the Heat when Bosh was out
Boston? Best wing defender injured, Ray injured, 2 of the biggest stars of the team are old. Yet they still took Heat to 7 games
Thunder? Great team, but 1st time to finals, and what was their average age?
Best competition in the east before playoffs started? Bulls with Rose. However he was injured, fortunate to Lebron.
Another injured top 5 player? Dwight. Would have been scary as the center is Heat's weakest point.

So ugh.. weak competition, great teammates in their prime, and the heat still needed so many games

[Lebron23]

2nd NBA Championship after this season. LBJ is easily a top 10 player of all time.

[Lebron23]

It's time to get that 2013 Miami Heat Championship Cruise under way...:oldlol:


They beat a lot of good defensive teams in the playoffs. OKC was the worst defensive team among the Heat's opponents in the playoffs, that's why they only won 1 game in the Finals.

[Lebron23]

Sorry nathanjizzle, but Lebron is a winner and a back to back NBA Champion.

[Lebron23]

RIP Phong. You'll never be missed.

[Nilocon165]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Tmuston Beltics]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Great dig :bowdown:

[Smoke117]

Well one thing is for certain now...A Derrick Rose team will never win the finals :lol

[ballin33]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

this guy knew what was up

[Nilocon165]

hey

[ArbitraryWater]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

:applause:

[Lebronxrings]

OP is a loser and phaggit

[RRR3]

Phong. :roll:
Forgot what a little bitch this guy was :oldlol:



Can only imagine the tantrum he threw after game 7

[jlip]

I feel like trolling.

[MrFonzworth]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

:yaohappy:

[TheCorporation]

fixed

Posted on Sept. 2011

:lebronamazed:

[TheCorporation]

am i suppose to be hurt by this? i already know rose will win atleast one championship, ive been sure of this since his first game for the bulls. Lebron on the other hand ...........


:roll: :roll: :roll:
OP bodybagged


holy f*ck at that phong kid. lebron zipped him up and tossed him in a ditch


It's time to get that 2013 Miami Heat Championship Cruise under way..


RIP Phong. You'll never be missed.


:roll:


Well one thing is for certain now...A Derrick Rose team will never win the finals :lol


OP is a loser and phaggit

I love it

[TheCorporation]

I love this shit

In 2011
"A LeBron-led team will never win the Finals"

In 2012
"Okay but he will never do it again!"

In 2013
"Shit! Okay, but that's it he will NEVER get a 3rrd!!11!"

In 2016
"MF!!!!! :mad: ALRIGHT BUT THAT'S IT HE IS TOO OLD HE CAN NEVER WIN A 4TH FMVP"

In 2020
What a wreck :lol

[BigtimeNBAFan]

People forget how many losers really believed "Lebron would never win a title" after 2011. With each title, an excuse was lined up after predicting he wouldn't win and then predicting he wouldn't win again only for the process to repeat itself.

[k0kakw0rld]

dwyane wade is his only chance to win a championship. They only have next year and i dont believe they will win. Without wade, lebron being the sole leader of a team will never win a championship.
Well OP

The man got 2 without Wade. :confusedshrug: And won at least one ring in each conference.

[FireDavidKahn]

A decade later and LeGOAT is STILL winning championships

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

dwyane wade is his only chance to win a championship. They only have next year and i dont believe they will win. Without wade, lebron being the sole leader of a team will never win a championship.
Nostradumbass :applause:

[TheGoatest]

A decade later and LeGOAT is STILL winning championships

:roll:

Can you imagine the toll it must take on those hating morons?
Year after year for a decade of having to witness the player that they hate evolve into GOAT and all they can spew out is some hating gibberish as a counter-argument.

[8Ball]

Can you imagine the toll it must take on those hating morons?
Year after year for a decade of having to witness the player that they hate evolve into GOAT and all they can spew out is some hating gibberish as a counter-argument.

It happened with Brady. They kept hating until he won #6. Now they still hate.

[Axe]

The op is similar to saying that trump will get re-elected again.

[Airupthere]

I remember that time prior to collusion and can see where this sentiment came from. Collusion kicked things off and he never looked back.

[Wally450]

Phong had to have hung himself by now. Dude cannot cope with LeBron winning.

[coin24]

LeCarried from team hopping

Pathetic

[TheGoatest]

LeCarried from team hopping

Pathetic

https://images2.imagebam.com/69/86/36/728e8a1367607023.png

[RRR3]

Weiner uncle diaper virgins
:roll:

[And1AllDay]

he will nevar win


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wow ok lucky ring but he will never win back to back two time


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ok ok ok fine fine but for reaaaaaalllll he will never win three tho, only two!!11!!!


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alright alright alright ALRIGHT

but thats it, JUST THREE

HE WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER AGAIN 2016 WAS A FLUKE THATS IT I SWEAR IT !!!11!!11!!!


----

*bran wins a 4th fmvp in 2020


Haters now: pls halp :(

[LoneyROY7]

Derrick Rose stans, ladies and gentlemen.

[k0kakw0rld]

LeCarried from team hopping

Pathetic

Shut your b!tch ass up and go back to your cave.

[Spurs m8]

LeCarried from team hopping

Pathetic

Yep.

No wonder he was crying about respect....he doesn't even respect himself lol

He knows we all know he's a fraud

[Shooter]

he will nevar win


---


wow ok lucky ring but he will never win back to back two time


---

ok ok ok fine fine but for reaaaaaalllll he will never win three tho, only two!!11!!!


---

alright alright alright ALRIGHT

but thats it, JUST THREE

HE WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER AGAIN 2016 WAS A FLUKE THATS IT I SWEAR IT !!!11!!11!!!


----

*bran wins a 4th fmvp in 2020


Haters now: pls halp :(


:roll::roll:

[k 96]

LeHype 4 of 10 James really should be only 2 of 10, when you break down what happened the seasons he was carried to an NBA Championship. The 2012 NBA regular season was shortened from the normal 82 games per team to 66, due to the NBA lock out. Then ESPN GiIFTED LeHype to another NBA Championship, due to Covid-19.

LeHype 4 of 10 James = PATHETIC ESPN HYPE JOB

[Axe]

He will never get out of the east nowadays

[coin24]

:roll:

35k posts on just one of your accounts?

Go get a job you fkn loser:oldlol:

[Shooter]

he will nevar win


---


wow ok lucky ring but he will never win back to back two time


---

ok ok ok fine fine but for reaaaaaalllll he will never win three tho, only two!!11!!!


---

alright alright alright ALRIGHT

but thats it, JUST THREE

HE WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER AGAIN 2016 WAS A FLUKE THATS IT I SWEAR IT !!!11!!11!!!


----

*bran wins a 4th fmvp in 2020


Haters now: pls halp :(

:roll::roll:

[RRR3]

Alts soytits sportsbra transjew Simon basement
:lol

[k0kakw0rld]

Yep.

No wonder he was crying about respect....he doesn't even respect himself lol

He knows we all know he's a fraud
You went from Kawhi m8 to deRozan m8 to Spurs m8 with Doncic Mavericks avy.

One thing for sure, the ISH community know that you are the biggest fraud here.

[warriorfan]

You went from Kawhi m8 to deRozan m8 to Spurs m8 with Doncic Mavericks avy.

One thing for sure, the ISH community know that you are the biggest fraud here.

Weren’t you the guy who was a Nets, Raptors, Mavericks, and Utah fan? Then you started bandwagoning Golden State after they started winning?

:lol

[MaxPlayer]

You went from Kawhi m8 to deRozan m8 to Spurs m8 with Doncic Mavericks avy.


Yet strangely the only thing he ever posts about is how butthurt LeBron makes him.

[3ball]

.
NBA.com: Lebron didn't take any contested jumpers in 2019 or 2020 seasons


2019 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/0pXaJU.gif


2020 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/y33l5k.gif


2020 Playoffs

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/vSfQ3r.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


^^^ LeDefer took 12 contested jumpers for the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons... :yaohappy:... :roll:..

So lebron avoids contested jumpers, which means he can't shoot well at high volume.. This matters because his inability to shoot well at high volume prevents him from carrying loads, aka winning with "true" 2nd options that produce far less like Klay, Jason Terry or Pippen - instead he needs a 1b (someone capable of outscoring him for a playoff run like 11' Wade, 16' Kyrie or 20' AD).. to summarize, he can't win a ring with a true 2nd option because he shoots poorly at the high volume needed of 1-man jobs (can't attempt or convert contested jumpers)

[3ball]

.
Final Thread Cliffs (2011-2021)


Lebron was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd.

Then he teamed up with the best players in the league, which elevated him to champion - these guys were great before joining lebron, and none improved statistically alongside him (no one grew alongside him).. So he didn't elevate them or "make them better" - he simply teamed up with them (stacked the deck).

It's sheer irony - instead of staying in Cleveland for 2011, he bolted and was bitten by karma when his super-team collusion fell to an organic, 1-star team.

And it's a skill deficit that FORCES him to team-hop.. His ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping, talent-based winning). Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a losing record against Spurs, Mavs, and Warriors.

In addition to preventing development with ball-dominance, he can't win a ring with a true 2nd option (he needs a 1b) because he can't attempt or convert contested jumpers, and therefore shoots poorly at the high volume needed of 1-man jobs... So he can't win with a "true" 2nd option like Klay, Jason Terry, or Pippen that produce far less - he needs a 1b that can outscore him for a playoff run (11' Wade.. 16' Kyrie.. 20' AD).. again, lebron can't win a ring with a true 2nd option (he needs a 1b) because he shoots poorly at the high volume needed of 1-man jobs (can't attempt or convert contested jumpers - see previous post for stats on lebron avoiding contested jumpers).

[red1]

Rooting for lebron is boring now. He's too good.


We already know he's top-2 GOAT level.

[Shooter]

Imagine not being able to win a championship for every team you play for

LeBron won with Miami, Cleveland and L.A. 3 for 3
MJ couldn't deliver in Washington. Yikes. 1 for 2

[TheGoatest]

Imagine not being able to win a championship for every team you play for

LeBron won with Miami, Cleveland and L.A. 3 for 3
MJ couldn't deliver in Washington. Yikes. 1 for 2

3-3 > 1-2 teams won championship with
14-14 > 10-13 times made it out of first round
10-17 > 6-15 > times made NBA finals

Jordan doesn't have a case.

[Axe]

3-3 > 1-2 teams won championship with
14-14 > 10-13 times made it out of first round
10-17 > 6-15 > times made NBA finals

Jordan doesn't have a case.
11? Wtf did you even get that from :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

11? Wtf did you even get that from :oldlol:

What are you talking about? Look at your quote. :roll:

[Axe]

What are you talking about? Look at your quote. :roll:
Oh you've edited it already i see. Never mind lmao.

[And1AllDay]

Imagine not being able to win a championship for every team you play for

LeBron won with Miami, Cleveland and L.A. 3 for 3
MJ couldn't deliver in Washington. Yikes. 1 for 2


3-3 > 1-2 teams won championship with
14-14 > 10-13 times made it out of first round
10-17 > 6-15 > times made NBA finals

Jordan doesn't have a case.

bingo

bran > mike

[kawhileonard2]

1 finals in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and that due to getting two star players on his squad and getting a guy suspended.
Joined forces with a proven winner and then got a guy who led in every stat on the squad.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiN3XFdXkAIUrlu?format=jpg

[TheGoatest]

You went from Kawhi m8 to deRozan m8 to Spurs m8 with Doncic Mavericks avy.

One thing for sure, the ISH community know that you are the biggest fraud here.

Can you believe that just a few days ago this guy actually made a non-sarcastic post about how he "doesn't hate LeBron himself", but that he only hates "his stans"?

Since then, he made like a hundred posts that insult LeBron personally.

Dude is beyond pathetic. He deserves as much attention as a dog turd on a sidewalk: Acknowledge it's there, avoid it, and pay no more attention to it than that.

[EllEffEll]

1 finals in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and that due to getting two star players on his squad and getting a guy suspended.
Joined forces with a proven winner and then got a guy who led in every stat on the squad.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiN3XFdXkAIUrlu?format=jpg

Your post proves nothing to anyone that can watch a basketball game objectively. The Lakers were a dumpster fire that could be seen from outer space after 2010 until this past season. 2018-19 was riddled by injuries and they didn't really have a solid option to help LBJ (like most teams that win a chip have), so they were not going far anyway. That changed in the simmer of 2019 when they acquired AD. The Lakers did a remarkable job of filling out the rest of the roster with essentially role players on a very slim budget.

Part of LBJ's game has become about making the rest of the team successful (kind of like Magic did) and that doesn't always show up in the stats. You just have to know the game a little and sit back and watch.

I could just easily slight AD by saying that we all know what Davis has done without LBJ: Nothing, which also doesn't prove anything.

[TheGoatest]

Your post proves nothing to anyone that can watch a basketball game objectively.

It also conveniently ignores the fact that the New Orleans Pelicans with Anthony Davis in 2018-19 were worse than the Lakers:

Pelicans in 2018-19: 33-49
Pelicans in the 56 games Davis played with them that season: 25-31

Lakers in 2018-19: 37-45
Lakers in the 55 games LeBron played with them that season: 28-27

The only difference is that the Lakers were comfortably in the playoff seeding before LeBron suffered his groin injury, whereas the Pelicans were out of the playoffs when Davis really started missing games.

[dankok8]

As much of a reach as this thread was at the time it was created, imagine being such a flawed player at age 27 from a psychological standpoint that many people think you'll never win a title. I remember analysts on ESPN saying Lebron will never win LOL.

[3ball]

.
2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

2010 Bosh.... 6x all-star... 1x all-nba
2010 Pau...... 1x all-star... 0x all-nba






As much of a reach as this thread was at the time it was created, imagine being such a flawed player at age 27 from a psychological standpoint that many people think you'll never win a title. I remember analysts on ESPN saying Lebron will never win LOL.


They would've been right if he never team-hopped to stack the deck

He teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.

[8Ball]

As much of a reach as this thread was at the time it was created, imagine being such a flawed player at age 27 from a psychological standpoint that many people think you'll never win a title. I remember analysts on ESPN saying Lebron will never win LOL.

Wrong.

Imagine all the mountains of people being so retarded that they actually had incredibly dumb thoughts in their head 10 years ago.

And 3ball till this day is still flat earthing around his LeBron takes.

[dankok8]

Wrong.

Imagine all the mountains of people being so retarded that they actually had incredibly dumb thoughts in their head 10 years ago.

And 3ball till this day is still flat earthing around his LeBron takes.

His failures in 2010 and especially in 2011 gave those mountains of people plenty of ammunition. Lebron really did seem very weak mentally.

[3ball]

Wrong.

Imagine all the mountains of people being so retarded that they actually had incredibly dumb thoughts in their head 10 years ago.

And 3ball till this day is still flat earthing around his LeBron takes.


FACT - 2010 Wade doubled Kobe's BPM and was much better at that time

FACT - 2010 Bosh was a 6x all-star and Pau was 1x


LOGICAL CONCLUSION - lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. this is nowhere near the best we've ever seen.

[RRR3]

3braincells, I notice you’re ignoring my thread with the highlights of LeBron hitting lots of contested jumpers you miserable 5’3 cowardly liar.

[8Ball]

His failures in 2010 and especially in 2011 gave those mountains of people plenty of ammunition. Lebron really did seem very weak mentally.

Ammunition for flat earthers means nothing to me.

They can have all the ammunition they imagine up in their heads.

They were dead wrong 11 years ago.

[8Ball]

FACT - 2010 Wade doubled Kobe's BPM and was much better at that time

FACT - 2010 Bosh was a 6x all-star and Pau was 1x


LOGICAL CONCLUSION - lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. this is nowhere near the best we've ever seen.

Still shlepping your flat earth LeBron takes around 11 years later.

Standing around the corner humiliated holding a sign up.

Meltdown.

[dankok8]

Ammunition for flat earthers means nothing to me.

They can have all the ammunition they imagine up in their heads.

They were dead wrong 11 years ago.

They were dead wrong about predicting Lebron wouldn't win a ring but they weren't wrong on what they saw. He choked so bad.

[3ball]

Still shlepping your flat earth LeBron takes around 11 years later.

Standing around the corner humiliated holding a sign up.

Meltdown.


You have no response to the facts and cannot defend your player

So lebron is confirmed as a fraud and not goat

[8Ball]

You have no response to the facts and cannot defend your player

So lebron is confirmed as a fraud and not goat

I responded long ago.

Pippen won 55 and 59 games without Jordan.

Jordan gets scoring titles yet can't win regular season games without a stacked 55 win team.

Go back to Flat Earthing your LeBron takes :oldlol:

[3ball]

I responded long ago.

Pippen won 55 and 59 games without Jordan.

Jordan gets scoring titles yet can't win regular season games without a stacked 55 win team.

Go back to Flat Earthing your LeBron takes :oldlol:


Anyone can win 55 - it's nothing

Marc Gasol won 55 in memphis

Lowry won 55 in Toronto

That's the caliber of sidekick that Jordan won 6 rings with

Otoh, lebron can't build brand or win organically because his skillset hurts teammates with spot-up roles, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping)..

Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against Spurs, Mavs and Warriors

[Airupthere]

Anyone can win 55 - it's nothing

Marc Gasol won 55 in memphis

Lowry won 55 in Toronto

That's the caliber of sidekick that Jordan won 6 rings with

Otoh, lebron can't win organically because his skillset hurts teammates with spot-up roles, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping)..

Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against Spurs, Mavs and Warriors

Has Lebron won a ring with an organic team?

Spurs, Mavs, and GSW were all built up (except KD-team) and Lebron lost to them.

[dankok8]

Kawhi with Lowry as his freaking sidekick won the title. Finals he beat the KD-less Warriors like Lebron beat in 2016. What's even better... so gangsta... is that Kawhi was Jordanesque.. gangsta didn't need no 7 games in the Finals. Lebron gotta do a lot just to sit at the same dinner table as Kawhi. Or shiet mang even breakfast table.

[3ball]

Has Lebron won a ring with an organic team?





No rings with an organic team and no rings with a "true" 2nd option

Lebron always needed a 1st option to play sidekick (he needs a 1b due to less pure scoring and jumpshooting skill than kobe or MJ)

[Airupthere]

No rings with an organic team and no rings with a "true" 2nd option

Lebron always needed a 1st option to play sidekick (he needs a 1b due to less pure scoring and jumpshooting skill than kobe or MJ)

None with an organic team? Wow. The collusion approach really worked for him then. Again, who knows what this guy used as a pitch to form his superteams.

[PeroAntic]

Otoh, lebron can't build brand or win organically because his skillset hurts teammates with spot-up roles, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping)..

Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against Spurs, Mavs and Warriors

And then you started gushing over Harden and Durant teaming up. gtfo hypocrite

[Hey Yo]

Has Lebron won a ring with an organic team?

Spurs, Mavs, and GSW were all built up (except KD-team) and Lebron lost to them.
dumb

[3ball]

And then you started gushing over Harden and Durant teaming up. gtfo hypocrite


If one guy cheats and stacks the deck (Bron), then of course I will celebrate when someone else (durant) levels the playing field by responding in kind

[Airupthere]

And then you started gushing over Harden and Durant teaming up. gtfo hypocrite

Lebron should have a taste of his own medicine

[8Ball]

Has Lebron won a ring with an organic team?

Spurs, Mavs, and GSW were all built up (except KD-team) and Lebron lost to them.

Every single team of LeBron's was organic. Built through the draft / free agency / trades. Just like every single Jordan team.

[3ball]

Every single team of LeBron's was organic.





He joined Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love

Then he orchestrated a coup to force AD to Los Angeles

So no... Lebron is a shameless colluder

[Airupthere]

Every single team of LeBron's was organic. Built through the draft / free agency / trades. Just like every single Jordan team.

If you keep repeating a lie long enough it becomes the truth. Is this your coping mechanism?

[8Ball]

If you keep repeating a lie long enough it becomes the truth. Is this your coping mechanism?

Organic definition = derived from living matter.

Every single team of LeBron was done organically.

If English isn't your strong suit that isn't my problem.

[tpols]

Every single team of LeBron's was organic.

:roll:

you fellas are good for a laugh.

[Airupthere]

Organic definition = derived from living matter.

Every single team of LeBron was done organically.

If English isn't your strong suit that isn't my problem.

:facepalm you have a cult

[8Ball]

:roll:

you fellas are good for a laugh.

Using definition of english words I am correct.

If you want to invent other meanings have at it, just prepare to be corrected.

[8Ball]

:facepalm you have a cult

More definitions:

"Organic describes things that are natural or related to nature. In common usage, organic is used to mean “healthful” or “close to nature.”"

LeBron built his teams through free agency, draft, trades. Those are as natural as tools to build a team for every single NBA team.

LeBron's teams are 100% organic and naturally built.

[3ball]

LeBron built his teams through free agency, draft, trades. Those are as natural as tools to build a team for every single NBA team.

LeBron's teams are 100% organic and naturally built.





Organic growth = brand and teammate development

Which young player (that wasn't already a star) did Lebron grow - whose stats grew (reached new career highs year after year) during their tenure with lebron? Who did lebron "develop"

Exactly no one

because his style imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against Spurs, Mavs and Warriors

[8Ball]

Organic growth = brand and teammate development

Which young player (that wasn't already a star) did Lebron grow - whose stats grew (reached new career highs year after year) during their tenure with lebron? Who did lebron "develop"

Exactly no one

because his style imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against Spurs, Mavs and Warriors

No it doesn't.

More definitions:

"Organic describes things that are natural or related to nature. In common usage, organic is used to mean “healthful” or “close to nature.”"

Come again when you learn English properly.

[TheCorporation]

Wrong

X4

Next

[Shooter]

he will nevar win


---


wow ok lucky ring but he will never win back to back two time


---

ok ok ok fine fine but for reaaaaaalllll he will never win three tho, only two!!11!!!


---

alright alright alright ALRIGHT

but thats it, JUST THREE

HE WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER AGAIN 2016 WAS A FLUKE THATS IT I SWEAR IT !!!11!!11!!!


----

*bran wins a 4th fmvp in 2020


Haters now: pls halp :(

:lol Haters are spinning :dancin

[ralph_i_el]

I have a friend who doesn't follow basketball at all. He remembers watching some games in the 2011 finals with me, and me explaining the Decision, and that LeBron has no rings. Today LeBron came up in conversation, and his first reaction was: "Isn't he the guy with no rings?", and I had to explain a decade of basketball history to him. This thread reminded me of that.

[And1AllDay]

I have a friend who doesn't follow basketball at all. He remembers watching some games in the 2011 finals with me, and me explaining the Decision, and that LeBron has no rings. Today LeBron came up in conversation, and his first reaction was: "Isn't he the guy with no rings?", and I had to explain a decade of basketball history to him. This thread reminded me of that.

that sounds like many of the retarts on this board that dont know bran has 2nd most fmvp all time :oldlol:

[Shooter]

dwyane wade is his only chance to win a championship. They only have next year and i dont believe they will win. Without wade, lebron being the sole leader of a team will never win a championship.


https://i.postimg.cc/pdqp3Jfg/Record-after-record.png

[Shooter]

its bumped after 10 years and a lebron lead team still doesn't have a clean championship to speak of


2012 - colluded big 3, lockout, shortened season, rigged Boston series
2013 - colluded big 4, legacy saving bail out shot by Ray Allen
2016 - colluded big 3, legacy saving bail out shot by kyrie Irving, draymond Green suspension
2020 - anthony davis theft collusion through clutch sports agency , covid lockout shortened season, 5 month break, no travel, no fans, bubble buddy Disney covid ring with Durant and kyrie both opting out healthy


without an inordinate number of all time rigging and flukes lebron has zero rings still

He's only led a team 4 times. Second most all time

https://i.postimg.cc/pdqp3Jfg/Record-after-record.png

[Hey Yo]

Kobe didnt win his first ring until 2009.

[Lebron23]

It's funny when this thread gets bumped in 5 years

Bumping 14 years later

[Lebron23]

And Rose will never win an NBA Championship, and he will never be voted again in the All NBA First Team. CP3 or Deron Williams are going to claim his spot.

He also choked in the conference finals last season. 23.4 ppg on 35 FG%. always knew that guy was made of glass.

[3ba11]

The worst that anyone ever played in a playoff series is 35% and 6 TO's per game, and Lebron did this twice in 07' Finals and 08' ECSF... Meanwhile, 22-year old Kobe and Amare destroyed the Spurs in 01' and 05', respectively - certainly Kobe was better at 22 than Lebron

[And1AllDay]

will lecinco arrive?

[ImKobe]

Kobe didnt win his first ring until 2009.

Worst post ITT and that includes OP.