Top 10 rookie seasons of all time?

[pauk]

which 10 players had the best rookie seasons do u think?

i did some research about their number/awards and think one of these must be the 10 contestants......... rank em! GO!

no particular order:

Walt Bellamy (31 ppg, 19 rpg)

Kareem A. Jabbar (ROTY + 29 ppg, 14 rpg)

Elvin Hayes (28 ppg, 17 rpg)

Lebron James (ROTY + 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, 3rd rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Michael Jordan (ROTY + 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, 2nd rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Wilt Chamberlain (MVP, ROTY + 38 ppg & 27 rpg)

Oscar Robertson (All-Star MVP, ROTY + 31 ppg, 10 rpg, 10 apg)

Larry Bird (ROTY + 21 ppg, 10 rpg, 5 apg)

Magic Johnson (FMVP, Championship + 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg)

Wes Unseld (MVP + ROTY, 14 ppg, 18 rpg)

Shaquille Oneal (ROTY + 23 ppg, 14 rpg, 3 bpg)

Blake Griffin (ROTY + 22 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg)

Tyreke Evans (ROTY + 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg, 4th rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Tim Duncan (ROTY + 21 ppg, 12 rpg, 2 bpg)

Allen Iverson (ROTY + 23.5 ppg, 7.5 apg)

David Robinson (ROTY + 24 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 bpg)

Alonzo Morning (21 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg)

Hakeem Olajuwon (20 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 bpg)

Rick Barry (ROTY, All-Star, 1st All-NBA team, 26 ppg, 11 rpg)

Terry Cummings (ROTY + 24 ppg, 10 rpg)

Sidney Wicks (ROTY + 25 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg)

Bob Pettit (ROTY + 20 ppg, 14 rpg)

Ralph Sampson (ROTY, All-Star, 21 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg)

Elgin Baylor (NBA finals, 25 ppg, 15 rpg, 4 apg)

Jerry Lucas (ROTY + 18 rpg, 17 rpg)

Bill Russell (Championship + 15 ppg, 20 rpg)

i think i have missed alot of ppl........ to many to research and to many who were ridicilously close ranked in their rookie seasons.... so feel free to replace/add.... i just want a Top 10 ranking thats all.... gogogo!

[Doctor Rivers]

which 10 players had the best rookie seasons do u think?

i did some research about their number/awards and think these must be the 10 contestants......... rank em! GO!

10 contestants... no particular order:

Walt Bellamy (31 ppg, 19 rpg)

Kareem A. Jabbar (ROTY + 29 ppg, 14 rpg)

Elvin Hayes (28 ppg, 17 rpg)

Lebron James (ROTY + 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg)

Michael Jordan (ROTY + 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg)

Wilt Chamberlain (MVP, ROTY + 38 ppg & 27 rpg)

Oscar Robertson (All-Star MVP, ROTY + 31 ppg, 10 rpg, 10 apg)

Larry Bird (ROTY + 21 ppg, 10 rpg, 5 apg)

Magic Johnson (FMVP, Championship + 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg)

Wes Unseld (MVP + ROTY, 14 ppg, 18 rpg)

Blake?

[pauk]

Blake?

ye that to.....

i think i have missed alot of ppl........ to many to research and to many who were ridicilously close ranked in their rookie seasons....

but yea add Blake if u wish... or anybody else!

its kindof difficult for me........ i know WILT & OSCAR should be first... but then... it gets nasty...

[ballerz]

Tyreke Evans deserves a honorable mention. No shaq either? he averaged 23/14/2/3

[JohnnySic]

SHAQ!

23.4 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 3.5 bpg, .562 fg%, ROTY.

[miller-time]

Shaq 23ppg, 13.9rpg, 3.5bpg, ROTY, All-Star

Tim Duncan 21ppg, 11.9rpg, 2.5bpg, ROTY, All-Star, All NBA first team, All defensive second team

[pauk]

thx dudes...

ADDED IN:

TYREKE EVANS
SHAQUILLE ONEAL
BLAKE GRIFFIN
TIM DUNCAN

[JohnnySic]

Might as well add Iverson as well...

[pauk]

buti think we all can agree with:


1. WILT

2. OSCAR

:lol

[pauk]

Might as well add Iverson as well...

done deal!

[ballerz]

David Robinson- 24/12/4 on .531% shooting
Alonzo Morning- 21/10/3.5
Hakeem Olajuwon- 20/12/3
Lew Alcindor- 29/15

[pauk]

David Robinson- 24/12/4 on .531% shooting
Alonzo Morning- 21/10/3.5
Hakeem Olajuwon- 20/12/3
Lew Alcindor- 29/15

nice one... but how bout the awards? ROTY? All-Star? 1st/2nd All-NBA? MVP? ASG MVP? FMVP? Championship? I look at that aswell... even tho i dont type down all of their stuff above... i can look that up... but still they diserve to be there based on those numbers alone lol... adding them in

Lew Alcindor? Kareem.. yea got him in there.. :lol

[NotYetGreat]

You have Lew AND KAJ? :eek:

[pauk]

guess im gona start then.... after #1 #2 it gets freakin tough... i think i might go like this anyways:



1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Magic Johnson
5. Wes Unseld
6. Walt Belamy
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Michael Jordan
9. Shaquille Oneal
10. David Robinson

its tough :banghead: after #2-#3 its very close.. u could even argue having D.Robinson at #4

[shawbryant]

Oscar was insane

[SunsCaptain]

I believe Stephen Curry had a better rookie season than Allen Iverson.

Curry:...18/5/6 on 46/43/89 1.9 Steals 3.1 TOV
Iverson:24/4/8 on 42/34/70 2.2 Steals 4.4 TOV

[Odinn]

No order;

Michael Jordan
David Robinson
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson

[sh0wtime]

Its easy to forget some not so well known names or underrated players such as:

Rick Barry, he won the ROTY, was an All-Star and was selected to the 1st All-NBA team, averaging 25.7 ppg, 10.6 rpg!

Terry Cummings, he won the ROTY and averaged 23.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.5 apg, funny thing is that was also the best season of his career.

Sidney Wicks, he won the ROTY and averaged 24.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 4.3 apg.

Bob Pettit, he won the ROTY and averaged 20.5 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 3.2 apg.

Ralph Sampson, he won the ROTY, was in the All-Star game and averaged 21.0 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 2.4 bpg.

Elgin Baylor, he went to the NBA finals and for the season averaged 24.9 ppg, 15.1 rpg, 4.3 apg.

Jerry Lucas, he won the ROTY and averaged 17.7 rpg, 17.4 rpg.

[pauk]

Its easy to forget some not so well known names or underrated players such as:

Rick Barry, he won the ROTY, was an All-Star and was selected to the 1st All-NBA team, averaging 25.7 ppg, 10.6 rpg!

Terry Cummings, he won the ROTY and averaged 23.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.5 apg, funny thing is that was also the best season of his career.

Sidney Wicks, he won the ROTY and averaged 24.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 4.3 apg.

Bob Pettit, he won the ROTY and averaged 20.5 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 3.2 apg.

Ralph Sampson, he won the ROTY, was in the All-Star game and averaged 21.0 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 2.4 bpg.

Elgin Baylor, he went to the NBA finals and for the season averaged 24.9 ppg, 15.1 rpg, 4.3 apg.

Jerry Lucas, he won the ROTY and averaged 17.7 rpg, 17.4 rpg.

well fak me..... adding those in.... and damn rick barry :eek: thats worthy of a #3 ranking imo

[pauk]

this **** just got even more confusing http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/images/smilies/confused4.gif

[Niquesports]

guess im gona start then.... after #1 #2 it gets freakin tough... i think i might go like this anyways:



1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Magic Johnson
5. Wes Unseld
6. Walt Belamy
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Michael Jordan
9. Shaquille Oneal
10. David Robinson

Unseld has to be 2. Being ROY and MVP and uplifint a dead team. Numbers dont always tell the whole story. You have to know the impact of that player.Lets look at how # can fool you Adrian Dantley in 81 avg 30ppg how ever his Utah team only won 28 gm. AD's 30 point had no impact .Not saying Ad was a rookie just using him random to show how 3# arent as important as impactits tough :banghead: after #2-#3 its very close.. u could even argue having D.Robinson at #4


I have for my top 10

1 Wilt
2 Wes
3 Oscar
4 KAJ
5 Walt
6 Magic
7 Elvin
8 Bird
9 D Rob
10 Jordan

[Fatal9]

guess im gona start then.... after #1 #2 it gets freakin tough... i think i might go like this anyways:



1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Magic Johnson
5. Wes Unseld
6. Walt Belamy
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Michael Jordan
9. Shaquille Oneal
10. David Robinson

its tough :banghead: after #2-#3 its very close.. u could even argue having D.Robinson at #4
Kareem not even top 10 when he put up 29/15/4 and turned a 27 win expansion franchise into a 56 win team (probably biggest turnaround in history at the time)?

Magic over Bird for rookie season?

[Niquesports]

Kareem not even top 10 when he put up 29/15/4 and turned a 27 win expansion franchise into a 56 win team (probably biggest turnaround in history at the time)?

Magic over Bird for rookie season?


I would take Magic over Bird also. Bird took over a team that was in disaray. However so many other factors were also taking place.He had great numbers.

Magic gave life to a underachiving team that need a spark. They didnt need big numbers from him just his energy. That energy won them Kareems first with the lakers.

[Fatal9]

I would take Magic over Bird also. Bird took over a team that was in disaray. However so many other factors were also taking place.He had great numbers.

Magic gave life to a underachiving team that need a spark. They didnt need big numbers from him just his energy. That energy won them Kareems first with the lakers.
So did Lakers fixing their two biggest weaknesses from previous years, perimeter defense (by adding Cooper...they got lit up by Seattle guards in '79) and finally getting legit power forwards (had to play Dantley/Wilkes there previously, but acquired Haywood/Chones).

Bird led what was at the time the biggest turnaround in history with barely any changes in the roster. Magic went to a team with the best player, one that was already one of the best teams in the league without him, had fixed major weaknesses and on top of that added Magic...they better win a damn championship. The RPoY voting wasn't even close, Bird was even getting MVP votes.

[pauk]

Kareem not even top 10 when he put up 29/15/4 and turned a 27 win expansion franchise into a 56 win team (probably biggest turnaround in history at the time)?

Magic over Bird for rookie season?

i forgot him lol... im drunk..

and yes Magic over Bird for rookie season? I think magic is overrated as ****... and i rank Larry above him all time...

but cmon... FMVP, Championship putting up 18-7-7 and playing center when Kareem was injured to win the championship is sick... but larry did put up better numbers yea...

i have to re-adjust my rankings, it now goes like this but im still confused:

1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Rick Barry
4. Wes Unseld
5. Magic Johnson
6. Elgin Baylor
7. Walt Bellamy
8. Kareem A. Jabbar
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Michael Jordan

[Niquesports]

So did Lakers fixing their two biggest weaknesses from previous years, perimeter defense (by adding Cooper...they got lit up by Seattle guards in '79) and finally getting legit power forwards (had to play Dantley/Wilkes there previously, but acquired Haywood/Chones).

Bird led what was at the time the biggest turnaround in history with barely any changes in the roster. Magic went to a team with the best player, one that was already one of the best teams in the league without him, had fixed major weaknesses and on top of that added Magic...they better win a damn championship. The RPoY voting wasn't even close, Bird was even getting MVP votes.

They had Birds name on the trophy when he got drafted . It was his to lose not win.

No changes in the roster huh?
In 78 The Celtics had 19 different players play very unstable not even Jordan can win like that .
In 79 Only 12 players a much more stable roster.
In 78 Who was the Coach let me help you the first 14gm Satch Sanders (2-12) then in dissary Red knowwing he was getting Bird next year just tanked it and promoted Dave Cowens as player coach (27-41) Just chaos
In 79 Red hires a stable competent coach in Bill Fitch stability and leadership.

Looks like some major changes.

By the way the also trade Macadoo who thought he was still in Buffolo and he never saw a shot he didnt take.

[pauk]

I have for my top 10

1 Wilt
2 Wes
3 Oscar
4 KAJ
5 Walt
6 Magic
7 Elvin
8 Bird
9 D Rob
10 Jordan

cmon dude... only Wilt diserved to be over Oscar... :lol 31-10-10... :hammerhead:

[kNIOKAS]

I believe Stephen Curry had a better rookie season than Allen Iverson.

Curry:...18/5/6 on 46/43/89 1.9 Steals 3.1 TOV
Iverson:24/4/8 on 42/34/70 2.2 Steals 4.4 TOV
:no:

[pauk]

how bout:

Kobe Bryant (7 ppg, 1 rpg, 1 apg)














j/k kobe fans :lol

[Niquesports]

i forgot him lol... im drunk..

and yes Magic over Bird for rookie season? I think magic is overrated as ****... and i rank Larry above him all time...

but cmon... FMVP, Championship putting up 18-7-7 and playing center when Kareem was injured to win the championship is sick... but larry did put up better numbers yea...

i have to re-adjust my rankings, it now goes like this but im still confused:

1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Rick Barry
4. Wes Unseld
5. Magic Johnson
6. Elgin Baylor
7. Walt Bellamy
8. Kareem A. Jabbar
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Michael Jordan


Not sure why people are so stuck on numbers Unseld was voted ROY and MVP
So he was voted not only best rookie but best player in the league also
Look at who wwas in the league
Russell
Wilt
Oscar
Billy Cunningham
Elvin with monster numbers.

[guy]

Russell
Wilt
Oscar
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Jordan
Robinson
Shaq
Duncan

[Duncan21formvp]

which 10 players had the best rookie seasons do u think?

i did some research about their number/awards and think one of these must be the 10 contestants......... rank em! GO!

no particular order:

Walt Bellamy (31 ppg, 19 rpg)

Kareem A. Jabbar (ROTY + 29 ppg, 14 rpg)

Elvin Hayes (28 ppg, 17 rpg)

Lebron James (ROTY + 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, 3rd rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Michael Jordan (ROTY + 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, 2nd rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Wilt Chamberlain (MVP, ROTY + 38 ppg & 27 rpg)

Oscar Robertson (All-Star MVP, ROTY + 31 ppg, 10 rpg, 10 apg)

Larry Bird (ROTY + 21 ppg, 10 rpg, 5 apg)

Magic Johnson (FMVP, Championship + 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg)

Wes Unseld (MVP + ROTY, 14 ppg, 18 rpg)

Shaquille Oneal (ROTY + 23 ppg, 14 rpg, 3 bpg)

Blake Griffin (ROTY + 22 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg)

Tyreke Evans (ROTY + 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg, 4th rookie to ever average at least 20-5-5)

Tim Duncan (ROTY + 21 ppg, 12 rpg, 2 bpg)

Allen Iverson (ROTY + 23.5 ppg, 7.5 apg)

David Robinson (ROTY + 24 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 bpg)

Alonzo Morning (21 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg)

Hakeem Olajuwon (20 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 bpg)

Rick Barry (ROTY, All-Star, 1st All-NBA team, 26 ppg, 11 rpg)

Terry Cummings (ROTY + 24 ppg, 10 rpg)

Sidney Wicks (ROTY + 25 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg)

Bob Pettit (ROTY + 20 ppg, 14 rpg)

Ralph Sampson (ROTY, All-Star, 21 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg)

Elgin Baylor (NBA finals, 25 ppg, 15 rpg, 4 apg)

Jerry Lucas (ROTY + 18 rpg, 17 rpg)

Bill Russell (Championship + 15 ppg, 20 rpg)

i think i have missed alot of ppl........ to many to research and to many who were ridicilously close ranked in their rookie seasons.... so feel free to replace/add.... i just want a Top 10 ranking thats all.... gogogo!

There is no way you can say Bill Russell when his teammate was a rookie as well and won ROY over him and made 2nd team all nba, when Russell wasn't on either.

[Kyle_korver]

I believe Stephen Curry had a better rookie season than Allen Iverson.

Curry:...18/5/6 on 46/43/89 1.9 Steals 3.1 TOV
Iverson:24/4/8 on 42/34/70 2.2 Steals 4.4 TOV

Are you smoking!!??? He had the record for most 40+ point games as a rookie n had a 40+ point game against Jordan pippen n rodman ..:bowdown:

[jlauber]

Hard to argue with Magic's rookie season...especially of you include the post-season. He took an under-achieving roster that barely played .500 in the seasons before he arrived, to a 60-22 record, and then to a dominating world title, which included not only one of the greatest playoff games in NBA history, but a Finals MVP, as well. Aside from Russell, how many other "great" players led their teams to a title in their rookie season?

[SunsCaptain]

Are you smoking!!??? He had the record for most 40+ point games as a rookie n had a 40+ point game against Jordan pippen n rodman ..:bowdown:

Here are 33 games of his rookie season:

Iverson's amazing FG%

31%
30%
32%
35%
22%
33%
24%
19%
28%
30%
28%
38%
31%
38%
31%
38%
38%
30%
35%
23%
21%
23%
29%
15%
33%
20%
35%
38%
33%
36%
38%
37%
36%

Terrible chucker. :facepalm

[Dave_520]

Something else somebody mentioned, but nobody is really taking into consideration is how big their turnaround was the year the rookie came to the team...

Tim Duncans rookie year was then the single biggest turn-around in NBA history (only to be defeated years later by the Celtics and KG)...and before Duncan, it was David Robinson who at HIS time made the biggest turn-around in NBA history for the Spurs as a rookie. Before him... Larry Bird as a rookie.

So 3 of the 4 of the greatest single season turn arounds as far as team record were done by ROOKIES....amazingly enough...and each of those rookies who led those turn-arounds were ALL ROTY...and of THOSE rookies, I believe only David Robinson was a Unanimous Decision..winning each month of the entire season.

Just somethingI think should be taken into consideration more...


Here is my top 10 in no particular order..

1. Shaquille Oneal
2. David Robinson
3 Tim Duncan
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James
7. Michael Jordan
8. Wilt
9. Russell
10. Kareem

[BGriffin's Dad]

http://i.imgur.com/Z1jxS.jpg

[Smoke117]

There is no way Shaq is above Robinson as a rookie. Shaq may have shot 3% better but it's negated by the fact that Shaq also shot .592% from the ft line on 9fta's and Robinson shot .732% on 10fta's. They both basically attempted 16 fga's. Their efficiency is virtually the same when it comes straight down to it because Robinson actually made ft's. As far defense goes Robinson was just plain better like he always would be. Robinson frankly has a more dominant rookie season then a lot players that people would be put ahead of him all time like Jordan, Magic, Bird. Their overall careers may be better, but their rookie seasons are not. You are going to have to go to the 70s to find someone to match Robinsons monster rookie season because you certainly aren't going forward as no one has come since to match it.

[G.O.A.T]

These would be the ten on my list...

Lew Alcindor - Led second year expansion team to 56 wins, 29 better than the previous year. Averaged 29-15-4 as ROTY and MVP candidate.

Elgin Baylor - 1959 ROTY, led team to NBA Finals. Averaged 25-15-4

Larry Bird - 1980 ROTY, led Celtics to 32 game improvement and 61 wins plus ECF. Averaged 21-10-5

Wilt Chamberlain - 1960 NBA MVP & ROTY. Averaged 29-21-2. Team went from last place to Eastern Finals.

Tim Duncan - Onvious ROTY choice. Averaged 21-12-3-3. Team improved by 36 wins adding him and a healthy David Robinson.

Artis Gilmore - 1972 ABA MVP and ROTY. Averaged 20-15-2-4.

George Mikan - Won title with Chicago American Gears. Averaged 17 ppg and 25 ppg in Championship tournament.

Shaquille O'Neal - ROTY averaged 23-14-2-4 and team improved by 20 games from 21 to 41 wins.

David Robinson - Team improved from 21 wins to 56 wins. Averaged 24-12-2-4 winning ROTY.

Wes Unseld - Won MVP and ROTY in '69. Averaged 14-18-3 and led team to best record in the East.

[1987_Lakers]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Bill Russell
3. Larry Bird
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq
7. David Robinson
8. Elgin Baylor
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Michael Jordan

[Chapallaz]

Brand needs to get a mention. Not top ten or something but he was playing very well.

[Cali Syndicate]

Tyreke Evans deserves a honorable mention. No shaq either? he averaged 23/14/2/3

If Tyreke deserves a honorable mention, so does Steph Curry (The real ROTY IMO).

[Psileas]

Wilt Chamberlain - 1960 NBA MVP & ROTY. Averaged 29-21-2. Team went from last place to Eastern Finals.

Make this 38-27-2. You probably got his "per 36" stats.


As for my top-10:

1. Wilt Chamberlain (Best individual player in basketball from day 1, MVP, ROY, top scorer, top rebounder, possibly top shot blocker, Eastern Finals, in which he produced 42/29 and 50/35/5 bl. against Russell)

2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

3. Oscar Robertson (Missed playoffs, but had come to the worst team in the league and improved them from 19-56 to 33-49. More impressively, in the games he missed or played only limited minutes, his team went 1-10, which matters a lot, considering they missed the playofos for just 1 game. Then, of course, come the stats...)

4. David Robinson

5. Tim Duncan

6. Magic Johnson (Interchangeable with Bird. I don't think their margin of level was as big as the ROY or MVP race indicate and Magic did play better in the playoffs, with or without better teammates)

7. Larry Bird

8. Wes Unseld

9. Bill Russell (He did win the title, but missed a big part of the season, with the Celtics rolling pretty well already. He was still needed for the title, but Heinsohn's own rookie season and big Game 7 in the Finals is forgotten)

10. Shaquille O'Neal

HM: Baylor, Jordan, Olajuwon (funny he rarely, if ever, gets mentioned), Bellamy, Heinsohn, Hayes

[Owl]

Here's the purely statistical angle (minimum of 300 minutes to keep out total flukes)

PER
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=ws&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=ws_per_48&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per
Win Shares
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=ws_per_48&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws
Win Share per 48 minutes (fans of win shares look away now or get creating some creative justifications)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=ws&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=per&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48

[jlauber]

Here's the purely statistical angle (minimum of 300 minutes to keep out total flukes)

PER
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=ws&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=ws_per_48&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per
Win Shares
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=ws_per_48&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws
Win Share per 48 minutes (fans of win shares look away now or get creating some creative justifications)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=300&c2stat=ws&c2comp=gt&c2val=-100&c3stat=per&c3comp=gt&c3val=-100&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48

Obviously there is something wrong with those advanced stats you cited. They rank Chamberlain at the very top, and by a sizeable margin (except for the Carl Landry one...which will be used to prove how worthless those stats are...and especially since Wilt dominates the bulk of the them.)

We all know that Chamberlain was a stats-padder who actually hurt his teams. Sure, he took a last place team to a 49-26 (a team record at the time) in his rookie season. Sure, he took a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 the year before he arrived, to a team that would have the best record in the league for three straight seasons, and a dominating world title. And sure, when he was traded to LA, they immediately set a team record,...that they wouild shatter three years later, en route to their first ever title in LA. And sure, the teams he left all crumbled.

Obviously, though, those teams would have won title-after-title had Wilt not joined them.

And besides, he only won two rings, in his 14 seasons (and battling the Celtic dynasty in 10 of them, as well as the 60-22 '70 Knicks, and the 66-16 '71 Bucks.)

[midatlantic09]

I think Grant Hill should be on there. He averaged 20, 6, 5 and 2 (stls) on 48% shooting.

Glenn Robinson had a pretty good rookie season as well: 22, 6, and 3 on 45% shooting.

Larry Johnson is up there as well: 19, 11, and 4 on 49% shooting.

[gengiskhan]

Oscar was insane

31+ppg :bowdown:

10 RPG :bowdown:

10 APG :bowdown:

Just as a ROOKIE. :applause: :applause:

& some aa-holes here have Kobe over Big O in Top 10 GOAT list. :facepalm

[RaininTwos]

I believe Stephen Curry had a better rookie season than Allen Iverson.

Curry:...18/5/6 on 46/43/89 1.9 Steals 3.1 TOV
Iverson:24/4/8 on 42/34/70 2.2 Steals 4.4 TOV
:biggums: