troy davis... innocent or guilty?

[LBJMVP]

he is suppose to get executed today.... i think he is innocent cause there really isnt sufficient truth.

[PowerGlove]

Innocent....had a heated discussion about this last night. So much bullshit, just another black man in america who's about to die without sufficient evidence.

[NauruDude]

Innocent. The death pen should never be allowed to be used unless there is 100% concrete evidence of guilt. So Troy Davis should get no death but freedom.

[PowerGlove]

I'm so f*cking pissed this dude is gonna die. The marching and petitions didnt do shit.

[LBJMVP]

any chance obama steps in?

[IGOTGAME]

any chance obama steps in?

don't think he can. beyond his powers. this is a state issue.

[LBJMVP]

don't think he can. beyond his powers. this is a state issue.


damn. i hate reading stuff on facebook from kids who werent even part of a case that happend 22 years acting happy cause a man they know nothing about is gettin killed.

[PowerGlove]

damn. i hate reading stuff on facebook from kids who werent even part of a case that happend 22 years acting happy cause a man they know nothing about is gettin killed.
Happy??

:wtf:

[LBJMVP]

Happy??

:wtf:

yah man, its just disgusting.

[Kensta]

good night sweet prince

[Styles p]

good night sweet prince
:oldlol:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'm so f*cking pissed this dude is gonna die. The marching and petitions didnt do shit.
Honestly with Jimmy Carter and the Pope backing him, I can't believe they are going forward with the execution. Time is running out, he is due to be executed in exactly 1 hour. He might be guilty, but he certainty isn't guilty without a reasonable doubt. Honestly, I hope all hell breaks lose after he gets executed.

[Rnbizzle]

Honestly.. Never heard of the dude :lol

Real sad if he's executed for something he didn't do though.

[Abd El-Krim]

Not the first innocent man to be executed, won't be the last.

[thatoneblackguy]

If he was white (Casey Anthony) he would have been free by now.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Honestly.. Never heard of the dude :lol

Real sad if he's executed for something he didn't do though.
i doubt the majority of people have heard of him before the past couple weeks. i just learned of him last night.

[thatoneblackguy]

Troy Davis protesters arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vJ2OF1AyXA&feature=feedu

[ace23]

If he was white (Casey Anthony) he would have been free by now.
This :applause:

[thatoneblackguy]

To those that dont know whats going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=683UAypf2NY&feature=feedu

[PowerGlove]

i doubt the majority of people have heard of him before the past couple weeks. i just learned of him last night.
Pretty sure his story was on a 20/20 special years ago.

[Rnbizzle]

To those that dont know whats going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=683UAypf2NY&feature=feedu
The reporting is pretty terrible :facepalm

I get the idea though, thanks.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Pretty sure his story was on a 20/20 special years ago.
3 more mins. i guess his only shot at not meeting the doomsday switch today is if he failed his physical.

[Kensta]

This reminds me of the movie, The Life of David Gale. Awesome movie.

[qrich]

Who?


If he was white (Casey Anthony) he would have been free by now.

OJ? Plus, Casey got off, not because of the color of her skin, but because the prosecution jumped the gun and tried to base this trial off of emotion as opposed to clear cut evidence. They should have went after her for negligence of a minor, endangerment of a minor until they had enough to get a conviction on murder besides the car smelling like decomposition, which the defense did a good enough job turning down, and the partying/lying, which she admitted too.

[northwinds]

Innocent....had a heated discussion about this last night. So much bullshit, just another black man in america who's about to die without sufficient evidence.


Yep, convicted by a majority "racissss" black jury....:roll:

[LBJMVP]

3 more mins. i guess his only shot at not meeting the doomsday switch today is if he failed his physical.


the supreme court delayed his death penalty :banana:

[PowerGlove]

Yep, convicted by a majority "racissss" black jury....:roll:
Funny:rolleyes:

[northwinds]

It appears that the U.S. Supreme Court has issued a "reprieve" to allow them time to look at the case one more time. Hopefully, by the end of the night this "reprieve" will have been lifted and the State of Georgia and its people will inflict justice on this worthless POS, Troy Davis. My prayers go out to the MacPhail family for being mentally tortured again by our justice system in its 22 year journey to mete out final justice.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

the supreme court delayed his death penalty :banana:
wow dude, can u fcking imagine what has been running thru this dude's mind in the last 48 hours..wait i just checked cnn. com and they mention nothing about a delay in his death penalty.

from cnn.com


A Butts County Superior Court judge has declined to halt the execution of Georgia death row inmate Troy Davis, scheduled for 7 p.m.

[LBJMVP]

wow dude, can u fcking imagine what has been running thru this dude's mind in the last 48 hours..wait i just checked cnn. com and they mention nothing about a delay in his death penalty.

from cnn.com


yah i just meant a hault.
they can still decide to execute him anytime in the next 7 days

[northwinds]

The State of Georgia Bureau of Prisons probably asked the U.S. Supreme Court to issue a reprieve and then lift it late tonight so they can carry out the execution in peace.....after the riff-raff protesters have headed for the liquor store and gone home....

[LBJMVP]

It appears that the U.S. Supreme Court has issued a "reprieve" to allow them time to look at the case one more time. Hopefully, by the end of the night this "reprieve" will have been lifted and the State of Georgia and its people will inflict justice on this worthless POS, Troy Davis. My prayers go out to the MacPhail family for being mentally tortured again by our justice system in its 22 year journey to mete out final justice.


you realize out of the 9 people who claimed he was guilty 7 have recanted the story and 5 of those people said they were pushed by police to even say he was guilty to began with?

sure, he may have done but your innocent untill proven guilty and he has been in no way proved guilty.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

yah i just meant a hault.
they can still decide to execute him anytime in the next 7 days
shiet ur faster with the news than cnn. what a fcking joke.

[PowerGlove]

Northwinds is a racist....dont even respond to the dude.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

You guys ever see the movie Conviction? Very similar to this case.

[GOBB]

Convition where the chick gets her brother out of jail? I saw it recently, pretty good. Hopefully thats the movie because right now the title of it escapes me. But Conviction sounds right.


Northwinds is a racist....dont even respond to the dude.

No he's not!!! One of his top 5 favorite football athletes happens to be black yanno!

:oldlol:

[B]

you realize out of the 9 people who claimed he was guilty 7 have recanted the story and 5 of those people said they were pushed by police to even say he was guilty to began with?

sure, he may have done but your innocent untill proven guilty and he has been in no way proved guilty.
Yet when asked by the State to recant under oath and be cross examined by the States attorney all of them refused. Until it happens under oath in a court of law the testimony they gave under oath in a court of law is the one on the record.

[LBJMVP]

[QUOTE=B

[B]

if the recanted under oath wouldnt they get charged with lying under oath to begin with?No in the interest of getting things right they would be immune to prosecutuion. Ask yourself this Davis's attorneys can subpoena them to testify. They say the recants came from as long ago as 11 years? yet they wait 8 days before the first scheduled execution to reveal this?

They have been fighting this for 22 years filed motion after motion starting within weeks of his conviction he's been through a number of attorneys in this time and still time after time in State and Federal Courts his conviction has been upheld. You would think in the 22 years if they would have been able to get one of the witnesses to recant they would have used it. But not one has ever said I made a mistake or I lied on the record. A couple are more than happy to say so on camera which could also be used against them in a court of law but they have yet to step foot in a court room.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Convition where the chick gets her brother out of jail? I saw it recently, pretty good. Hopefully thats the movie because right now the title of it escapes me. But Conviction sounds right.



No he's not!!! One of his top 5 favorite football athletes happens to be black yanno!

:oldlol:
did you know the guy Rockwell played, was walking home intoxicated 2 days after his release, fell off something like a wall and died?

[northwinds]

Convition where the chick gets her brother out of jail? I saw it recently, pretty good. Hopefully thats the movie because right now the title of it escapes me. But Conviction sounds right.



No he's not!!! One of his top 5 favorite football athletes happens to be black yanno!

:oldlol:

That's one better than your 5 favorite football athletes list....you racist douche....:rockon:

[northwinds]

Northwinds is a racist....dont even respond to the dude.

Yep, just like those 7 black jurors who helped convict this scumbag...all "racisss"....they musta be "uncle Toms" or "House N's" in your world.....:roll:

[GOBB]

did you know the guy Rockwell played, was walking home intoxicated 2 days after his release, fell off something like a wall and died?

Damn, I didnt know that.

[Qwyjibo]

I love the quote from the mother of the cop:

[QUOTE]

[northwinds]

I love the quote from the mother of the cop:



Such deep wanting to have another person killed. I realize that this guy, supposedly, ruined her life by taking her son but that just seems messed up to me. Humans really are nothing more than clever and devious animals.

You have identified yourself quite nicely there....to glorify a killer and then denigrate the mother of the victim is beyond pathetic on your part.:(

[Qwyjibo]

You have identified yourself quite nicely there....to glorify a killer and then denigrate the mother of the victim is beyond pathetic on your part.:(
I think it's pathetic what she said. I can't think of any reason she'd want this to happen other than revenge. I don't see that as a legit reason to kill someone, even a murderer.

[FourthTenor]

I'm so f*cking pissed this dude is gonna die. The marching and petitions didnt do shit.


This is the first I've heard of this guy or this case, but I agree that if there are enough inconsistencies in the case to make it newsworthy, he definitely should not be executed. Doesn't mean he's innocent, doesn't mean he should have a guilty verdict overturned. But EXECUTING someone with even the tiniest sliver of a possibility they are not guilty? Should never happen.

[NuggetsFan]

I think it's pathetic what she said. I can't think of any reason she'd want this to happen other than revenge. I don't see that as a legit reason to kill someone, even a murderer.

Lost her son in cold blood and it's pathetic that she wants it to be over and for him to finally pay for what he did? May not be logical, filled with compassion but can't expect somebody who lost a loved one for no reason to react with those emotions. Somebody shoots my dad in the head, I'd probably react the same way.

I have no idea about the case but her comments aren't out of line because obviously in her mind he's responsible. Isn't up to her to determine if that's true or not.

Maybe someday somebody will stab your mother and you can let me know how you reacted.

[Dasher]

I think it's pathetic what she said. I can't think of any reason she'd want this to happen other than revenge. I don't see that as a legit reason to kill someone, even a murderer.
I have no issue with what she said.

[InspiredLebowski]

The Supreme Court said they won't block it.

[RidonKs]

no, q's right. it's definitely stupid. when something sh*tty happens, figuring out who to blame is the immediate default human response. first i make sure it isn't my fault, and assuming it isn't, i then try to pin the blame on someone that makes sense to me or makes me feel good.

that's the way we function, but it isn't a particularly healthy way to function. you don't get closure or relief from watching somebody who hurt you suffer themselves... the closest you can come is tricking yourself into finally feeling okay. in 99.9% of cases, you aren't. in fact, waiting on revenge is one of the telltale signs of not having gotten over a traumatic event... if you were over it, if you had proper closure, you probably wouldn't be so concerned over it. you'd be more concerned with what you lost and less concerned with who took it from you, because at that point, it doesn't matter.

and this chick is pissed off because after seven court dates, a random individual who happened to touch her life in a negative way isn't dead yet. while it's understandable, it's also certifiably retarded.

[Qwyjibo]

Maybe someday somebody will stab your mother and you can let me know how you reacted.
I would be very angry but I hope my sense of logic and reasoning never leaves me. Who knows but it's something I consider very important. And if I wished death upon them, I'd still be wrong. It's just revenge.

[Dasher]

Q is incorrect donks. The death penalty is just. A person who murders renders the death penalty upon another. He/she does not value the right to life of others and should forfeit his own. Dash supports the death penalty.

[LBJMVP]

The Supreme Court said they won't block it.

R.I.P.

[Qwyjibo]

The death penalty is just.
It depends on how you view life, IMO.

I personally think we are here for a very tiny short period of time and there is nothing after death. You're just gone. This is your one 60 year or so shot in this universe that has, supposedly, existed for billions of years. I don't think any state should have the power to decide when someone's time is up regardless of what they have done.

Really, an execution is just about making people feel good (which is my issue with her quote) since locking them up forever prevents them from doing harm as well. I'd be fine if the inmate chooses death over life in prison. But not someone else for him. I understand that the cop didn't choose to die either and someone else took that in their hands but I'm also not saying let these killers run free. They are being punished.

[FourthTenor]

Q is incorrect donks. The death penalty is just. A person who murders renders the death penalty upon another. He/she does not value the right to life of others and should forfeit his own. Dash supports the death penalty.


Believing it is just in principle for someone who has killed to be killed is different than supporting the death penalty in a criminal justice system, so long as the phrase "to err is human" is accurate, which it always will be.

Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering his wife despite no murder weapon, no witnesses, no video evidence. Did he do it? I'm sure he did. Can it be proven? No it can't. Could all the circumstances that lead to his conviction have still occurred if he were completely innocent (having an affair, buying a boat just before his wife's body was found at sea, etc)? They absolutely could. He's very probably guilty, but very improbable circumstances HAVE led to innocent people being put to death. You can't do that just because people are fascinated by execution. It's a modern day Salem Witch Trial situation.

[Bill O'Reilly]

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"][QUOTE]HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP)

[northwinds]

It depends on how you view life, IMO.

I personally think we are here for a very tiny short period of time and there is nothing after death. You're just gone. This is your one 60 year or so shot in this universe that has, supposedly, existed for billions of years. I don't think any state should have the power to decide when someone's time is up regardless of what they have done.

Really, an execution is just about making people feel good (which is my issue with her quote) since locking them up forever prevents them from doing harm as well. I'd be fine if the inmate chooses death over life in prison. But not someone else for him. I understand that the cop didn't choose to die either and someone else took that in their hands but I'm also not saying let these killers run free. They are being punished.

But you have no problem with the fact that Troy Davis decided he had the power to "execute" when Mr. MacPhil's time was up on this planet....30 or so years before 60....with a child that would never know him.... him....pathetic...:facepalm

[northwinds]

Where's the liberal outrage over this man losing his life? Oh that's right this doesn't fit your agenda. Loons

Suddenly, they're not against the death penalty anymore.....:roll:

[Qwyjibo]

But you have no problem with the fact that Troy Davis decided he had the power to "execute" when Mr. MacPhil's time was up on this planet....30 or so years before 60....with a child that would never know him.... him....pathetic...:facepalm
You apparently didn't get to my last point in that post.

[B]

(ORDER LIST: 564 U.S.)
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2011
ORDER IN PENDING CASE
11A317 DAVIS, ANTHONY TROY V. HUMPHREY, WARDEN
The application for stay of execution of sentence of death
presented to Justice Thomas and by him referred to the Court is
denied.

[Godzuki]

it seems to me he is guilty, and whats going around in public doesn't really prove he's innocent and some of it seems like people are twisting the case facts.

that said theres too much controversy to go thru with the death penalty to any reasonable person. you can't be that vindictive where you can't settle for life in prison instead of the death penalty. but i bet she's a Republican, they're extremely vindictive when it suits them, at the same time caring so much about fetus's like human life matters soooo much more than anything else :rolleyes:

biggest fukkin hypocrites on the planet

[Bladers]

11:08pm


May God have mercy on his soul.

[northwinds]

11:08pm


May God have mercy on his soul.

ditto...

[LBJMVP]

Where's the liberal outrage over this man losing his life? Oh that's right this doesn't fit your agenda. Loons


i was neve against it. i just said that you shouldnt do it if your not 100 percent sure someone committed the crime.

and in the case of you article... thats just ****ed up

[L.Kizzle]

Troy is innocent, but it seems he possibly knows who did. The statement he made before he was put to rest.he said "he did not have a gun" and "was not part of who killed the officer." Of course we'll never know.

[San Fran Sam]

To mourn this chocolate love machines wrongful execution I'm gonna **** myself with my Lexington Steele dildo

[RidonKs]

Q is incorrect donks. The death penalty is just. A person who murders renders the death penalty upon another. He/she does not value the right to life of others and should forfeit his own. Dash supports the death penalty.
we aren't talking about the death penalty generally, we're talking about that crazy lady obsessing over the wrong issue. putting that much pressure on something as irrelevant as revenge is unhealthy and unproductive. it's natural and we shouldn't be surprised when humans act that way, but that again isn't what we're talking about. this woman is/was pathetic in what she said, for all of the reasons i've mentioned.

starface gave a suitable answer, though i'm not particularly sure i'd be inclined to support the death penalty even theoretically. growing up under two psychologists working in mental health, i know too much about the psychology and behavior associated with mental instability to make an unqualified appeal to 'eye for an eye'.

[PowerGlove]

Damn son.

[GreatGreg]

How are they reacting in Georgia? Hopefully they don't start riotting...

[PowerGlove]

Facebook is blowing the f*ck up right now.:eek:

N*ggas basically saying f&ck white people on my news feed.

[RidonKs]

screenshot dat sh*t

lol, 'twititions'

[RedBlackAttack]

The execution is over. Waiting for confirmation.

Humanity. :facepalm

[johndeeregreen]

Facebook is blowing the f*ck up right now.:eek:

N*ggas basically saying f&ck white people on my news feed.
Why do black people react this way? I mean really. F*cking 7 black people found his ass guilty in trial, and yet this is all the white man's fault somehow?

[PowerGlove]

Why do black people react this way? I mean really. F*cking 7 black people found his ass guilty in trial, and yet this is the white man's fault somehow?
7 out of 9 Witnesses recanted their story so its not like that trial was fair at all so how could you blame the jurors.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[johndeeregreen]

7 out of 9 Witnesses recanted their story so its not like that trial was fair at all so how could you blame the jurors?
It's easily within reason that the criminal justice system has made a mistake on Troy Davis' matter. I guarantee it has happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. It, however, is completely unreasonable to believe that every single person that had a say in his appeals, petitions etc. denied them because he was black. Grow the f*ck up.

[northwinds]

Thank God and Greyhound he's gone....now he gets to meet with his maker and explain why he killed an innocent man with a wife and a seventh month old son for no apparent reason....good luck with that conversation Troy...and enjoy your eternity in hell...

[NuggetsFan]

you don't get closure or relief from watching somebody who hurt you suffer themselves...


Who the f*ck are you to decide that you don't get closure from seeing the person responsible for it suffer? Everybody grieves differently. There's literally no way you can make that statement, beyond absurd that you tried to. Maybe YOU don't get closure from that .. another person could.

Somebody murders someone I love in cold blood I probably wouldn't be able to move on until I knew they paid the correct price. Weather or not that was the death penalty, prison sentence etc. I wouldn't know but I'd like to think it'd make things easier to move on. From what you read in the news in situations like this, some families tend to agree while others don't ng

[PowerGlove]

It's easily within reason that the criminal justice system has made a mistake on Troy Davis' matter. I guarantee it has happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. It, however, is completely unreasonable to believe that every single person that had a say in his appeals, petitions etc. denied them because he was black. Grow the f*ck up.

What are you even talking about right now? You got all of this from a generalization of my news feed?

[johndeeregreen]

What are you even talking about right now? You got all of this from a generalization of my news feed?
Are we really going to act like this isn't already a huge "whites oppress blacks" story, or that it isn't going to blossom into a bigger one? Or that this has never happened before?

Seriously, make a f*cking distinction between the criminal justice system and a race. It's an embarrassment if you can't. If you can make a case that every single angle of this, from his 'setup' to his conviction to his denied appeals was completely orchestrated and executed by white racists, then I'll shut up. Until then, I'll hold to my comment that black vs white outrage is getting pretty old in cases like these where believing it is solely about racism is f*cking idiotic.

[RidonKs]

oh deere, john's green on systematic racism

[rezznor]

Suddenly, they're not against the death penalty anymore.....:roll:
this guy who dragged james byrd to death behind his truck admitted his guilt, has never shown any remorse, and has said in an interview a few weeks ago that we would have done it again if given the chance. keep in mind this was just a random black man that he targeted who he did not even know. sounds like an open and shut case for the death penalty to me.

[LBJMVP]

How are they reacting in Georgia? Hopefully they don't start riotting...


i live in georgia and everyone is goin off on facebook right now.

im at college so im not really gonna see any riots.
there might be in savannah, but i dont know.

[johndeeregreen]

oh deere, john's green on systematic racism
John, Milton is a sadist.

Have you seen Milton, John?

Is anybody in the John, Milton?

[RedBlackAttack]

Whether or not this particular case is solely about racism is not something that I'm willing to contend, because I'm honestly not schooled on the whole Troy Davis thing, aside from the media exposure recently.

However, the raw numbers on executions and its correlation with race are striking. We all know that correlation =/= causation, but it is probably unwise to flippantly toss aside race as a hugely conversation-worthy topic when discussing the death penalty.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/fig5.gif

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides

It is hard to blame black people for being skeptical our criminal justice system, especially on this issue.

For the record, I think that state sanctioned executions are incredibly archaic regardless of the race of the person being put to death.

[johndeeregreen]

Whether or not this particular case is solely about racism is not something that I'm willing to contend, because I'm honestly not schooled on the whole Troy Davis thing, aside from the media exposure recently.

However, the raw numbers on executions and its correlation with race are striking. We all know that correlation =/= causation, but it is probably unwise to flippantly toss aside race as a hugely conversation-worthy topic when discussing the death penalty.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/fig5.gif

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides

It is hard to blame black people for being skeptical our criminal justice system, especially on this issue.

For the record, I think that state sanctioned executions are incredibly archaic regardless of the race of the person being put to death.
Look, I'm not going to have a debate with you about the United States criminal justice system in conjunction with blacks. We could be here for 20 years and never see it the same way, even if we agreed on some fundamental principles.

Nor am I going to opine on the matter of Troy Davis' guilt. I simply haven't educated myself enough on it.

What I will say is this: to act as if Troy Davis was accused, tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and ultimately denied every single appeal, stay, etc. because every person involved is a white supremacist is infantile, idiotic, not to mention exemplifies the very same type of racism the system is accused of, and I won't hesitate to say so.

[RidonKs]

What I will say is this: to act as if Troy Davis was accused, tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and ultimately denied every single appeal, stay, etc. because maybe possibly on a couple of occasions some of the people involved saw blacks differently from whites is completely reasonable, and I won't hesitate to shake his hand and buy ridonks a drink.
fixed

[RedBlackAttack]

Look, I'm not going to have a debate with you about the United States criminal justice system in conjunction with blacks. We could be here for 20 years and never see it the same way, even if we agreed on some fundamental principles.

Nor am I going to opine on the matter of Troy Davis' guilt. I simply haven't educated myself enough on it.

What I will say is this: to act as if Troy Davis was accused, tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and ultimately denied every single appeal, stay, etc. because every person involved is a white supremacist is infantile and idiotic, and I won't hesitate to say so.
Again... I won't pretend to be a scholar of this particular case. I really don't know that much about it, aside from the very general stuff being put out there. I also, like you, do not desire to get into a never-ending back-and-forth about systemic racism or the lack thereof in our criminal justice system. I literally CAN'T have that debate, because I'm about to go to bed.

What I was referring to, however, was the general attitude that some black people have when it comes to our criminal justice system, especially when it comes to executions. There is an incredibly cynical attitude toward things like this from that community and I don't know that I can blame them when you step back and look at the totality of it.

I doubt that the reaction that we are seeing is only about this particular case, but what they see as a systemic problem (I'm generalizing, now).... And, again, I don't know that I can blame them for being cynical.

[PowerGlove]

I still have no idea where this rant came from jdg.

[johndeeregreen]

fixed
I won't buy you a drink. I would hate for you to think I was coming on to you. However, I think you're absolutely right - it is a possibility. But that's not what is being said, either in this thread or publicly. It's, as our friend put it, "f*ck white people."

Which, on the topic of racism, is so f*cking ironic that I can't help but laugh at the absurdity of it all.

[johndeeregreen]

I still have no idea where this rant came from jdg.
Honestly it wasn't as much you as my feelings regarding these nonsensical "whites oppress blacks" stories coming to a head. I'm sorry it was at you, because I know you're above that type of thing, but it's just annoying. Nobody's denying that racism exists and is even as alive and well as it ever was in some parts of the US, or even that racism still corrupts levels of government. We'd be both blind and ignorant to not realize that it is so. I'm commenting on how every single issue becomes a matter of race just because a black man or women receives an unfavorable outcome in it. Moreover, many are interested in this case for no other reason than Troy Davis is black, and the response that white people are to blame for no other reason than they are white is just crazy.

[RaininThrees]

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01259/nw-deathpenalty29_1259331a.jpg


Keeping some nice company there, America.

[northwinds]

this guy who dragged james byrd to death behind his truck admitted his guilt, has never shown any remorse, and has said in an interview a few weeks ago that we would have done it again if given the chance. keep in mind this was just a random black man that he targeted who he did not even know. sounds like an open and shut case for the death penalty to me.

But,,,,But...But, I thought we were just against the death penalty...what happened to that? "This guy" killed a person and Troy Davis killed a person...they both now have to explain that to their maker. Justice was done. At least "this guy" had a motive....he was ganged raped in prison by blacks and was seeking revenge in his own sick way....on the other hand, Troy Davis was simply a low-life scumbag with no motive other than he wanted to kill somebody.

[Godzuki]

Again... I won't pretend to be a scholar of this particular case. I really don't know that much about it, aside from the very general stuff being put out there. I also, like you, do not desire to get into a never-ending back-and-forth about systemic racism or the lack thereof in our criminal justice system. I literally CAN'T have that debate, because I'm about to go to bed.

What I was referring to, however, was the general attitude that some black people have when it comes to our criminal justice system, especially when it comes to executions. There is an incredibly cynical attitude toward things like this from that community and I don't know that I can blame them when you step back and look at the totality of it.

I doubt that the reaction that we are seeing is only about this particular case, but what they see as a systemic problem (I'm generalizing, now).... And, again, I don't know that I can blame them for being cynical.


i think u just really have to be weary in these situations from whats coming from the protesters, at least the hearsay. they're almost always very ignorant to case facts and rail against the government with word of mouth facts that get spread but oftentimes end up extremely exaggerated or outright lies. i swear in most of these cases a lot of the hearsay ends up lies to get other people to join the protests. If not just rallying based on skin color vs whites/system, in a way it being racism against the system similar to how black people supported OJ when the evidence was overwhelming in his guilt.

i also completely agree with the logic to think every justice system official is a racist from over 20 years of trying and retrying this case and its appeals is absurd. i still don't really get why he HAS to be put to death tho, with this much protesting going on, it should account for something. I mean life in prison serves justice too, and he doesn't get to gorge himself with a big fat meal of whateveer he wants to eat either. i dont even get why they let people who are about to die do that, i mean if they're that awful of people, why the fukk are u treating them at all to anything? :wtf:

[LBJMVP]

But,,,,But...But, I thought we were just against the death penalty...what happened to that? "This guy" killed a person and Troy Davis killed a person...they both now have to explain that to their maker. Justice was done. At least "this guy" had a motive....he was ganged raped in prison by blacks and was seeking revenge in his own sick way....on the other hand, Troy Davis was simply a low-life scumbag with no motive other than he wanted to kill somebody.


only like one person posting in this thread is against the death penalty.
in the story you posted a white supremacist did a horrific crime and amitted to it without sorrow and was 100 percent guilty and deserved it.

troy davis did not.

[nathanjizzle]

that ***** did it. Case closed.

[PistonsFan#21]

But,,,,But...But, I thought we were just against the death penalty...what happened to that? "This guy" killed a person and Troy Davis killed a person...they both now have to explain that to their maker. Justice was done. At least "this guy" had a motive....he was ganged raped in prison by blacks and was seeking revenge in his own sick way....on the other hand, Troy Davis was simply a low-life scumbag with no motive other than he wanted to kill somebody.

who said that? stop making up shit.

[NauruDude]

only like one person posting in this thread is against the death penalty.
in the story you posted a white supremacist did a horrific crime and amitted to it without sorrow and was 100 percent guilty and deserved it.

troy davis did not.

1 person in this thread against the death penalty? Why do you think there isn't death penalty in civilized nations? Because it is outdated.

Only nations like Iran, China, Somalia, USA, Yemen and North Korea still accept death penalty.

[LBJMVP]

1 person in this thread against the death penalty? Why do you think there isn't death penalty in civilized nations? Because it is outdated.

Only nations like Iran, China, Somalia, USA, Yemen and North Korea still accept death penalty.


because when a guy goes out and kidnaps another man because of the color of his skin the drags him a long a bumpy road and kills him, then feels no remorse he should get the penalty.

when a guy goes up and molest, kills, then eat underage girls then he should get the death penalty

when there is not sufficient evidence to guarentee you murdered a guy you should not get the death penalty.

[yobore]

I'm not against the death penalty in theory, but it doesn't jive with the rest of our system. The problem is once you are found guilty by trial it is VERY difficult to overturn it, which has practical reasons. You want people to respect the decisions of the trial, otherwise everyone in jail would constantly be appealing. You don't want the court to be seen as wishy washy or no case ever ends. We dont have the resources to deal with that.

On the other hand the death penalty is so final that it shouldn't happen if there is any doubt whatsoever. There have been many questionable executions in the United States since it was reinstated, and many innocent death row inmates.

ps I don't know if Troy Davis is innocent and he probably isn't, but the reaction of "the cop he killed didn't get 22 years to appeal" is infuriating. This happens with all kinds of crime there is a certain kind of person who can't understand that someone might be innocent, especially if the crime is horrific. The worse the crime, the more they don't care about the innocent or guilt, they just want to see someone punished.

I kind of hope he is proved innocent posthumously, I think that would end the death penalty.

[LBJMVP]

I'm not against the death penalty in theory, but it doesn't jive with the rest of our system. The problem is once you are found guilty by trial it is VERY difficult to overturn it, which has practical reasons. You want people to respect the decisions of the trial, otherwise everyone in jail would constantly be appealing. You don't want the court to be seen as wishy washy or no case ever ends. We dont have the resources to deal with that.

On the other hand the death penalty is so final that it shouldn't happen if there is any doubt whatsoever. There have been many questionable executions in the United States since it was reinstated, and many innocent death row inmates.

ps I don't know if Troy Davis is innocent and he probably isn't, but the reaction of "the cop he killed didn't get 22 years to appeal" is infuriating. This happens with all kinds of crime there is a certain kind of person who can't understand that someone might be innocent, especially if the crime is horrific. The worse the crime, the more they don't care about the innocent or guilt, they just want to see someone punished.

I kind of hope he is proved innocent posthumously, I think that would end the death penalty.


i hope he gets proven innocent to, we may have to way till the real killer is on his death bead.

i dont know if he is innocent or guilty either. i hate readin peoples status that say "he killed a man so all you people who say he is innocent are just stupid"

they act as if they know for a fact that he did it and any one who says othewise is stupid.

[Theoo's Daddy]

dude wasn't given a fait chance to prove his innocence. R.I.P

[B]

dude wasn't given a fait chance to prove his innocence. R.I.P
:facepalm

[GOBB]

But,,,,But...But, I thought we were just against the death penalty...what happened to that? "This guy" killed a person and Troy Davis killed a person...they both now have to explain that to their maker. Justice was done. At least "this guy" had a motive....he was ganged raped in prison by blacks and was seeking revenge in his own sick way....on the other hand, Troy Davis was simply a low-life scumbag with no motive other than he wanted to kill somebody.

There were 3 guys. The one who was not remorseful and would do it all over again? He was not gang raped in prison and seeking revenge. So you're wrong on his "motive".

[Dictator]

:facepalm Part of the reason why I hate this world. This guy has no 100% evidence and gets killed, on the other hand Casey Anthony is in her bed laughing like a mf............

[N0Skillz]

Facebook is blowing the f*ck up right now.:eek:

N*ggas basically saying f&ck white people on my news feed.


That's going to get them far....

[Timmy D for MVP]

See I personally think that if someone was going to kill someone else a better punishment would be life in prison without the privileges of other inmates (work, limited exercise, etc.) It just seems to me that it's an easy way out to be killed. But that could just be me.

But if you insist on keeping the DP I think the evidence should be rock solid. Idk enough about this case but if what they say is true and the evidence wasn't quite there I don't think you can go ahead and kill him.

And JDG although you may be right in this case, there is a history and precedent that black people are very aware of. I could very much see this case making a lot of folk angry because they're already weary of the system, and have experienced it before.

[LBJMVP]

That's going to get them far....

this was written on a high school in savannah where the murder happened

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315922_194509677287941_100001867301971_458489_2388 69845_n.jpg

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Casey Anthony = Innocent

Haha U.S.A :roll: :roll:

[RidonKs]

Who the f*ck are you to decide that you don't get closure from seeing the person responsible for it suffer? Everybody grieves differently. There's literally no way you can make that statement, beyond absurd that you tried to. Maybe YOU don't get closure from that .. another person could.

Somebody murders someone I love in cold blood I probably wouldn't be able to move on until I knew they paid the correct price. Weather or not that was the death penalty, prison sentence etc. I wouldn't know but I'd like to think it'd make things easier to move on. From what you read in the news in situations like this, some families tend to agree while others don't ng
i'm not 'deciding' and i'm not generalizing the way i behave to encompass everybody else in the world. this is psychology, and while i could never say that it's simple or obvious or that my point is self-evident, that's the conclusion i come to when i look carefully at this sort of situation.

i could rattle off a couple of different arguments off the top of my head, and looking into it a little deeper, i'm sure more would arise to support my point. but regardless, i didn't just make up a conclusion and pretend it was right.

so the question is: why is it unhealthy to fixate on revenge?

a. well, you could be wrong about the guy who did it. that's the most obvious response, it's already been mentioned a number of times in this thread regarding the death penalty in a civilized judicial system. humans err quite often. putting all of your energy -- your pent up emotional energy no less -- into hoping against all hopes that somebody who you think wronged you dies... and then finding out that they weren't even at fault in the first place? hell, the first place a typical mind would go is denial. "f*ck you for saying he didn't do it, i KNOW he did it" and all that.

b. your revenge might not be exacted. say in a typical case there's a 50/50 shot that they convict and kill somebody. doesn't even have to be the real killer, since in the mind of somebody close to the murder victim, it doesn't matter... as long as somebody pays. but half the time, nobody does community service, nobody goes to prison, nobody is executed. now once again, suppose you've committed all that emotional energy towards the utmost desire of having somebody pay for a crime that hurt you, and in the end, nobody pays. wouldn't that hurt a hell of a lot worse than if you hadn't turned to vengeance in the first place?

c. the biggest point is that, in the end, it doesn't matter. this is a more contentious statement and you were right to question it when i made my last post. it's hard to prove either way. i'm of the opinion, however, that vengeance is little more than a redirection of grief... it might even be more precise to call it a misdirection. you're essentially channeling your sadness into anger, and if Yoda taught me anything, it was not to do that. and more importantly than what you're directing your grief towards is what you're misdirecting your grief away from... the original tragedy. vengeance doesn't bring your loved one back, and once a killer is dead, if you still haven't dealt with your grief, it isn't going to solve anything. and if you have already dealt with your grief, what's the point of hoping for revenge anyway?

d. here i think belongs an appeal to our common humanity... why shouldn't we exact i4i revenge on murderers? because we know what it feels like to lose somebody, and we have the rational capacity to understand that almost everybody in the world means something to somebody. even if we accept the morality of executing a murderer, which i don't think is as straight forward as most people in this thread seem to think, it's much more difficult to accept the pain that would be inflicted on their loved ones... the exact same pain that is literally fueling our desire to kill their brother or wife or husband or whoever. what if the family of the executed feels the exact same way as the family of the victim? that's when we reach a systemic perpetuation of revenge that is one of its most horrendous characteristics. avenging the death of your loved one by killing another only passes the torch onto another, who then will pass it on to another, and so on and so forth. and once strong feelings of vengeance are lit inside you, they're almost impossibly hard to extinguish.


so for allllllllllll of those reasons, and about eight dozen more i'm sure, revenge is stupid and shouldn't be appreciated or commended on any grounds except when its relevant emotions are effectively captured in a piece of art.

[northwinds]

Here's a couple of more scum y'all can start rallying around now to keep from being executed......their appeals probably won't run out for another twenty years or so....plenty of time to get Amnesty International, Al Sharpton on board.....just keep chanting "reasonable doubt" and laughing under your breath because it was just a couple of white kids they executed....a couple of white kids with the potential to contribute to society like Officer MacPhail who Troy Davis snuffed out, while the perpetrators have nothing to offer but blank looks and room temperature IQs. Funny how this story hasn't made the national news like Troy Davis did....agenda?:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkX0j-NDrzM

[LBJMVP]

Here's a couple of more scum y'all can start rallying around now to keep from being executed......their appeals probably won't run out for another twenty years or so....plenty of time to get Amnesty International, Al Sharpton on board.....just keep chanting "reasonable doubt" and laughing under your breath because it was just a couple of white kids they executed....a couple of white kids with the potential to contribute to society like Officer MacPhail who Troy Davis snuffed out, while the perpetrators have nothing to offer but blank looks and room temperature IQs. Funny how this story hasn't made the national news like Troy Davis did....agenda?:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkX0j-NDrzM



you are not understanding the point of this at all are you :facepalm

both the cases you posted the men have amitted they committed the crime

in the troy davis cause he pleaded not guilty and there was ample evidence to even sentence him to death.

sure he could have been guilty, or he could have been innocent; we dont know. im just sayin unless you are 100 percent positive someone is guilty then dont kill them

[Dictator]

Here's a couple of more scum y'all can start rallying around now to keep from being executed......their appeals probably won't run out for another twenty years or so....plenty of time to get Amnesty International, Al Sharpton on board.....just keep chanting "reasonable doubt" and laughing under your breath because it was just a couple of white kids they executed....a couple of white kids with the potential to contribute to society like Officer MacPhail who Troy Davis snuffed out, while the perpetrators have nothing to offer but blank looks and room temperature IQs. Funny how this story hasn't made the national news like Troy Davis did....agenda?:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkX0j-NDrzM

:facepalm You fail hard.....no explanation needed.

[GOBB]

Judge Mathis on the Troy Davis execution "Georgia has blood on its hands" (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh050PQHJuIO7pxmyv)

[northwinds]

"Judge" Mathis....a criminal who failed the bar exam the first time he took is now lecturing the Supreme Court, the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals judges, the judges on the Supreme Court of Georgia, etc......what an idiot...if Troy Davis had been white he wouldn't have cared less about the case and "justice"..:facepalm

[GOBB]

Yeah a criminal :rolleyes:

Keep hating kid.

[northwinds]

Yeah a criminal :rolleyes:

Keep hating kid.

Just the facts Gobb....I know you hate to deal with reality but here it is:

"Mathis' real father was estranged from him, but associated closely with the Errol Flynns, a past notorious Detroit street gang, that Mathis would eventually join while a teenager. In the 1970s, he was arrested numerous times. While incarcerated in Wayne County Jail, as a seventeen year old juvenile, his mother visited him and broke the news that she was diagnosed with colon cancer. Mathis was offered early probation because of his stepfather's status."

And now he wants to lecture the justices on the Supreme Court of the United States....LMAO....:wtf:

[GOBB]

Just the facts Gobb....I know you hate to deal with reality but here it is:

"Mathis' real father was estranged from him, but associated closely with the Errol Flynns, a past notorious Detroit street gang, that Mathis would eventually join while a teenager. In the 1970s, he was arrested numerous times. While incarcerated in Wayne County Jail, as a seventeen year old juvenile, his mother visited him and broke the news that she was diagnosed with colon cancer. Mathis was offered early probation because of his stepfather's status."

And now he wants to lecture the justices on the Supreme Court of the United States....LMAO....:wtf:

What facts did you present? That he had no male role models in life, turned to gangs as a teenager and got into trouble. Then turned his life around and became a Judge? You dont even make any sense whatsoever. A criminal is someone who involves themselves in a life of crime. Judge Mathis doesnt do that. But hey one time at band camp...

:rolleyes:

Try again kid. You're drowning here.

[northwinds]

What facts did you present? That he had no male role models in life, turned to gangs as a teenager and got into trouble. Then turned his life around and became a Judge? You dont even make any sense whatsoever. A criminal is someone who involves themselves in a life of crime. Judge Mathis doesnt do that. But hey one time at band camp...

:rolleyes:

Try again kid. You're drowning here.

So first you act like "Judge" Mathis has no criminal record...and then when I point out reality you say "well, yeah but he turned his life around"....LMAO. A criminal is someone who has committed a crime, dude.....:roll: But this criminal "faux" judge wants to lecture the justices of the Supreme Court of the United States who preside over the greatest judicial system known to man....wow....:facepalm

[GOBB]

So first you act like "Judge" Mathis has no criminal record

Wrong I'm fully aware of his bio. You called him a crimininal. He's not a criminal. Your logic to why he is a criminal is based on faulty logic. I cheated on a test before in HS. Therefore I'm forever a cheater. What Judge Mathis did was years ago, in his teenage years. A period where most human beings made bad decisions in life. Another fact. This label that he is a criminal forever is purely emotional on your end because you have zero argument against what he said in the video. You just lashed out to insult him when he turned nothing into something. He admitted his faults, learned from them and today the guy is a judge.

I once stole out my mothers purse for lunch money. I'm not only a cheater but a thief. Branded for life courtesy of northwinds sound logic. :roll:

Keep up Mr insecure white guy.

"Im not racist, impossible. One of my favorite football players is...black"

:roll:

[northwinds]

Wrong I'm fully aware of his bio. You called him a crimininal. He's not a criminal. Your logic to why he is a criminal is based on faulty logic. I cheated on a test before in HS. Therefore I'm forever a cheater. What Judge Mathis did was years ago, in his teenage years. A period where most human beings made bad decisions in life. Another fact. This label that he is a criminal forever is purely emotional on your end because you have zero argument against what he said in the video. You just lashed out to insult him when he turned nothing into something. He admitted his faults, learned from them and today the guy is a judge.

I once stole out my mothers purse for lunch money. I'm not only a cheater but a thief. Branded for life courtesy of northwinds sound logic. :roll:

Keep up Mr insecure white guy.

"Im not racist, impossible. One of my favorite football players is...black"

:roll:


Is there anything a black person could do that you would not make apologies for?

"I'm (sic) not racist, impossible.....all of my favorite football players are black...but one of my best friends is white":rolleyes:

[donald_trump]

northwinds, what the f*ck is wrong with you seriously?

youre way too invested in this case and for the killing of this man despite not knowing anything about it. thats pure idiocy at its finest.
seriously, i couldnt care if blackie chan was your favorite martial artist, and the black panther was your favorite animal, and the black album was your favorite jay-z album, its clear you have some issues with race relations and your view on a race as a whole.

grow up asswipe.

[northwinds]

northwinds, what the f*ck is wrong with you seriously?

youre way too invested in this case and for the killing of this man despite not knowing anything about it. thats pure idiocy at its finest.
seriously, i couldnt care if blackie chan was your favorite martial artist, and the black panther was your favorite animal, and the black album was your favorite jay-z album, its clear you have some issues with race relations and your view on a race as a whole.

grow up asswipe.

Look dipshit, I know more about this case than you and 99% of the "protesters" advocating for him. This lowlife POS, Troy Davis, was guilty as the day is long. But, because he was black and "only" killed a white cop, every black person on welfare with time on their hands gets out and starts carrying a "I'm am Troy Davis" sign printed up by Amnesty International. Then every other "self-loathing" white joins in because it makes them feel better and not so "racist". A federal District Court Judge in Atlanta reviewed the "new evidence" and issued a 150 page decisions. Do you know how often the Supreme Court orders such a procedure? Almost never. Troy Davis had every opportunity to obtain justice. He was convicted by a majority black jury......get over it.:hammerhead:

[IGOTGAME]

Just the facts Gobb....I know you hate to deal with reality but here it is:

"Mathis' real father was estranged from him, but associated closely with the Errol Flynns, a past notorious Detroit street gang, that Mathis would eventually join while a teenager. In the 1970s, he was arrested numerous times. While incarcerated in Wayne County Jail, as a seventeen year old juvenile, his mother visited him and broke the news that she was diagnosed with colon cancer. Mathis was offered early probation because of his stepfather's status."

And now he wants to lecture the justices on the Supreme Court of the United States....LMAO....:wtf:

criminals don't pass character and fitness. Just saying. Lawyers have to live their lifes up to a fairly high standard. Higher then all other professions imo. So, if they mess up then they are disbarred.

[donald_trump]

Look dipshit, I know more about this case than you and 99% of the "protesters" advocating for him. This lowlife POS, Troy Davis, was guilty as the day is long. But, because he was black and "only" killed a white cop, every black person on welfare with time on their hands gets out and starts carrying a "I'm am Troy Davis" sign printed up by Amnesty International. Then every other "self-loathing" white joins in because it makes them feel better and not so "racist". A federal District Court Judge in Atlanta reviewed the "new evidence" and issued a 150 page decisions. Do you know how often the Supreme Court orders such a procedure? Almost never. Troy Davis had every opportunity to obtain justice. He was convicted by a majority black jury......get over it.:hammerhead:

so where is the evidence he did it?

[PowerGlove]

Northwinds, you and me...drinks???

You still live in Atlanta right?

[northwinds]

Northwinds, you and me...drinks???

You still live in Atlanta right?

Magic City or Pitty Pat's Porch?......:lol

[liverandonions]

Magic City or Pitty Pat's Porch?......:lol

:applause: