1st All-Chucker/Shotjacker/Selfish Teams

[pauk]

make your all-chucker/ballhog/selfish/shotjacker teams.... :pimp:

By Chucker/Shotjacker/Selfish player i mean a player that is taking a ridicilous amount of shots in a bad FG% and having low assists or low assists/turnover ratio or low assist% based on his position & usage%.......... BASICALLY HIGH USAGE / LOW EFFICIENCY.........

Thats why it was hard to have Wilt Chamberlain there in my list because he is not like that (sure he chucks, but he makes most of it.. he is just that efficient, he cant help it lol).... but he is SELFISH like with the fury of an angry god... so it made it right... cmon.. he averaged 40 FGA a freakin game..... hahahahaha


today i gota go with:

PG - Derrick Rose / R.Westbrook / Gilbert Arenas
SG - Kobe Bryant / JR Smith / Monta Ellis
SF - Kevin Durant / Carmelo Anthony / Ron Artest / S-Jax
PF - Al Jefferson / Al Thornton / Al Harrington
C - Eddy Curry / Marreese Speights

all-time:

PG - Allen Iverson
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - T-Mac
PF - Elgin Baylor
C - Wilt Chamberlain

[kaiiu]

Lebricks career FGA per game is 21.

[ballup]

No Antoine Walker? SMH.

[PistonsFan#21]

Lebricks career FGA per game is 21.

are you sayin hes selfish and a shot jacker? :rolleyes:
Michael Jordan is at 23 FGA per game

and Tmac doesnt deserve to be on anyones list neither

[pauk]

Lebricks career FGA per game is 21.

No... dont even try :lol I dont consider efficient teamplayers/point-forwards putting up the most assists by any Non-PG in NBA history a Selfish/Chucker/Shotjacker.... why? just because they can score to so well? he is shooting 50%... and is in his prime right now probably, only hanging around max 18-19 FGA

[pegasus]

are you sayin hes selfish and a shot jacker? :rolleyes:
Michael Jordan is at 23 FGA per game

and Tmac doesnt deserve to be on anyones list neither

Pounding the ball for 20 some seconds and making a pass at the last second, knowing his teammates would have to shoot and he may get an assist, is both selfish and cowardly. The others at least have the courage to shoot without worrying about their field goal percentages.

[Clippersfan86]

Zach Randolph? Baron Davis?

[Clippersfan86]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=usageRate&year=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dusageRate%26yea r%3d2010


You'll find much of what you seek here. Tons of scrubs/non star players with top usage rates. Predictable list too.

[kaiiu]

Pounding the ball for 20 some seconds and making a pass at the last second, knowing his teammates would have to shoot and he may get an assist, is both selfish and cowardly. The others at least have the courage to shoot without worrying about their field goal percentages.
/toeasy

[Legends66NBA7]

Antoine Walker should definitely be on that list.

[rodman91]

Lebron has a case for all time ballhogging.

[Droid101]

All right, sorted the list by lowest assist rate. Then picked the guy with over 20 usage rate that really plays the stated position. This would be the roster:

PG: Lou Williams (assist rate 19.3%, 6th worst out of 65 point guards)
SG: Nick Young (assist rate 6.2%, worst of all shooting guards)
SF: Corey Maggette (assist rate 9.2% with a whopping 25 usage rate!)
PF: Charlie Villanueva (5.5%, eck!)
C: Dwight Howard (5.8% assist rate, the only Center with over a 20 usage rate until you hit Andrea Bargniani's 7.4% assist rate)


So, nice try attempting to make a Kobe bashing thread. Kobe actually has a decent assist ratio.

[pauk]

Pounding the ball for 20 some seconds and making a pass at the last second, knowing his teammates would have to shoot and he may get an assist, is both selfish and cowardly. The others at least have the courage to shoot without worrying about their field goal percentages.

you have to be the most rtrded dude trying to call unselfish traditional pointguards/pointforwards for SELFISH/COWARDS....

wtf is that logic of yours supposed to mean anyways? that a pointguard - pointforward should immediately get rid of the ball offensively and the rest of his teammates should get rid of the ball aswell immediately...... what the **** is the point of that? to keep the ball randomly moving??? that makes sense only in the TRIANGLE OFFENSE where a traditional pointguard is not needed at all..........

that beats the whole purpose of a pointguards/pointforwards JOB to CREATE for his teammates..... especially in a halfcourt offense (CP3/Lebron) or even run-n-gun fastbreak offense (Nash/Magic and so on).... you get 24 seconds offensively and so you better make sure to create the best high percentage basket...... there is no hurry....

A pointguard/pointforward creates Plays for his teammates... which can mean anything from bringing the ball up and first reading the defense... and THEN getting the ball to your postplayer... to setting up a catch-n-shoot scenario for one of your shooters... to penetrate/drive and kick... to dissect the defense by drawing the double-triple team and finding the open man for the easy basket......... or eventually create something for himself depending on how the defense plays him or his teammates..... all that takes time..............

somebody like Lebron/CP3/Nash/Rondo/Deron are ASKED / BEGGED to do that.... and are loved by it by their teammates and their coaches...... because without Lebron/CP3/Nash/Rondo there would be NOBODY who could create for their teammates like that........... they have the best passing ability / court vision / decision making in the NBA and are the most unselfish superstars........... THATS WHERE THE BALL NEEDS TO GO.... THEY "DOMINATE" THE BALL FOR GREAT DEEDS, FOR UNSELFISH PURPOSES! NOT FOR BAD....

:no:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

All right, sorted the list by lowest assist rate. Then picked the guy with over 20 usage rate that really plays the stated position. This would be the roster:

PG: Lou Williams (assist rate 19.3%, 6th worst out of 65 point guards)
SG: Nick Young (assist rate 6.2%, worst of all shooting guards)
SF: Corey Maggette (assist rate 9.2% with a whopping 25 usage rate!)
PF: Charlie Villanueva (5.5%, eck!)
C: Dwight Howard (5.8% assist rate, the only Center with over a 20 usage rate until you hit Andrea Bargniani's 7.4% assist rate)


So, nice try attempting to make a Kobe bashing thread. Kobe actually has a decent assist ratio.

/thread

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[pauk]

All right, sorted the list by lowest assist rate. Then picked the guy with over 20 usage rate that really plays the stated position. This would be the roster:

PG: Lou Williams (assist rate 19.3%, 6th worst out of 65 point guards)
SG: Nick Young (assist rate 6.2%, worst of all shooting guards)
SF: Corey Maggette (assist rate 9.2% with a whopping 25 usage rate!)
PF: Charlie Villanueva (5.5%, eck!)
C: Dwight Howard (5.8% assist rate, the only Center with over a 20 usage rate until you hit Andrea Bargniani's 7.4% assist rate)


So, nice try attempting to make a Kobe bashing thread. Kobe actually has a decent assist ratio.

1. you missed the Chucker/Shotjacker part... as in taking major amount of shots and missing most or even much of it..... hi usage / low efficiency...

2. you can avoid a bad/terrible assist ratio... if you dont pass so much and dont turnover so much.... and that has to do with selfishness/not trusting his teammates or simply not being a great passer / having great court vision to do that... kobe for example runs up the offense, waits and recieves the pass and immediately thinks SCORE/SHOOT... he is not putting himself in a position where he can turnover the ball.... he is not ballhandling/passing 24-7....

3. trying to call kobe not selfish.... is a very bad thing to do as he is wellknowned as one of (if not the most) selfish players in NBA history... he has been called that not only by fans, who cares right? but by his COACHES, TEAMMATES AND OTHER PLAYERS... ANNOUNCERS AND SO ON..... and there is alot of facts on that...

[Droid101]

1. you missed the Chucker/Shotjacker part... as in taking major amount of shots and missing most or even much of it..... hi usage / low efficiency...

2. you can avoid a bad/terrible assist ratio... if you dont pass so much and dont turnover so much.... and that has to do with selfishness/not trusting his teammates or simply not being a great passer / having great court vision to do that... kobe for example runs up the offense, waits and recieves the pass and immediately thinks SCORE/SHOOT... he is not putting himself in a position where he can turnover the ball.... he is not ballhandling/passing 24-7....

3. trying to call kobe not selfish.... is a very bad thing to do as he is wellknowned as one of (if not the most) selfish players in NBA history... he has been called that not only by fans, who cares right? but by his COACHES, TEAMMATES AND OTHER PLAYERS... ANNOUNCERS AND SO ON..... and there is alot of facts on that...
Kobe doesn't have a low efficiency. I think that list remains fine if we take efficiency into account. I'd change out Dwight and Corey, though. How's this:

PG: Tyreke Evans/Brandon Jennings tie (under 50% TS, Assist rate 20% [10th worst of PG's] and usage around 24)
SG: Nick Young (his TS is 53% which isn't terrible, but nobody has a worse one with his usage rate/low assist rate combo)
SF: Hm... I guess Caron Butler (TS 53%, but nobody has a high enough usage rate and minutes to merit consideration after Corey Maggette, and Corey's 57% TS rate preclude him I guess)
PF: JJ Hickson (Charlie V's TS is 55% and JJ's is 50%, both not great for PF, but Hickson's is pretty damn terrible, and he STILL has 22 usage and a bad 6.7% assist rate)
C: Andrea Bargniai and Mareesse Speights tie (both have 53% TS [terrible for a center], 7% assist rate, and over 20 usage. awful)

So, once again, no reason to include Kobe Bryant. Nice try.

(PS, you don't seem to understand what assist ratio is. It is the % of your possessions used that end in an assist. It has nothing to do with turnovers. The only way to get your assist ratio up is to get more assists.)

[pegasus]

you have to be the most rtrded dude trying to call unselfish traditional pointguards/pointforwards for SELFISH/COWARDS....

wtf is that logic of yours supposed to mean anyways? that a pointguard - pointforward should immediately get rid of the ball offensively and the rest of his teammates should get rid of the ball aswell immediately...... what the **** is the point of that? to keep the ball randomly moving??? that makes sense only in the TRIANGLE OFFENSE where a traditional pointguard is not needed at all..........

that beats the whole purpose of a pointguards/pointforwards JOB to CREATE for his teammates..... especially in a halfcourt offense (CP3/Lebron) or even run-n-gun fastbreak offense (Nash/Magic and so on).... you get 24 seconds offensively and so you better make sure to create the best high percentage basket...... there is no hurry....

A pointguard/pointforward creates Plays for his teammates... which can mean anything from bringing the ball up and first reading the defense... and THEN getting the ball to your postplayer... to setting up a catch-n-shoot scenario for one of your shooters... to penetrate/drive and kick... to dissect the defense by drawing the double-triple team and finding the open man for the easy basket......... or eventually create something for himself depending on how the defense plays him or his teammates..... all that takes time..............

somebody like Lebron/CP3/Nash/Rondo/Deron are ASKED / BEGGED to do that.... and are loved by it by their teammates and their coaches...... because without Lebron/CP3/Nash/Rondo there would be NOBODY who could create for their teammates like that........... they have the best passing ability / court vision / decision making in the NBA and are the most unselfish superstars........... THATS WHERE THE BALL NEEDS TO GO.... THEY "DOMINATE" THE BALL FOR GREAT DEEDS, FOR UNSELFISH PURPOSES! NOT FOR BAD....

:no:

Listen to me, you mental midget... Nobody begs Lebron to be a ballhog. He is not a PG, and him playing Point Forward has not paid off for either one of the teams he's been on, but only inflated his assists.

Basketball is a team game, and PG's should get the assists, and the bigs should get the rebounds. There's no reason for him to pound the ball for 20 seconds at a time, and snatch defensive rebounds out of his teammates' hands. If he's that good at rebounding, he should try getting some more offensive rebounds (averaged only 1 a game last year :facepalm).

He is the most selfish player of all time, because he is the most conscious about his numbers. He doesn't play to win, he plays to get credit for putting up empty stats.

[EricForman]

make your all-chucker/ballhog/selfish/shotjacker teams.... :pimp:

By Chucker/Shotjacker/Selfish player i mean a player that is taking a ridicilous amount of shots in a bad FG% and having low assists or low assists/turnover ratio or low assist% based on his position & usage%.......... BASICALLY HIGH USAGE / LOW EFFICIENCY.........

Thats why it was hard to have Wilt Chamberlain there in my list because he is not like that (sure he chucks, but he makes most of it.. he is just that efficient, he cant help it lol).... but he is SELFISH like with the fury of an angry god... so it made it right... cmon.. he averaged 40 FGA a freakin game..... hahahahaha


today i gota go with:

PG - Derrick Rose / R.Westbrook / Gilbert Arenas
SG - Kobe Bryant / JR Smith / Monta Ellis
SF - Kevin Durant / Carmelo Anthony / Ron Artest / S-Jax
PF - Al Jefferson / Al Thornton / Al Harrington
C - Eddy Curry / Marreese Speights

all-time:

PG - Allen Iverson
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - T-Mac
PF - Elgin Baylor
C - Wilt Chamberlain

Um, Durant doesn't really belong. And Kobe the last year to three has improve his all around game/bball IQ so I don't think he belong too.

[EricForman]

the OP doesn't seem to understand the difference between a shameless shotchucker who keeps shooting despite bad efficiency to someone who shoots alot because they're great and its the best chance for hte team to win.

How the hell is Durant on this list? Kobe shouldn't be on it, and the mere fact people are mentioning Lebron, perhaps TOO WILLING A PASSER, is a joke.

Shooting alot of chucker/shotjacker are two different things. JR Smith is a chucker. Tyreke Evans is a chucker. Tmac never was.

[Eric Cartman]

LeBron = Mayor ballhog but by any means a crazy shot yackers. He just feels comfortable with the ball in his hands since he doesn't know how 2 play off ball. same with wade.

[pauk]

Listen to me, you mental midget... Nobody begs Lebron to be a ballhog. He is not a PG, and him playing Point Forward has not paid off for either one of the teams he's been on, but only inflated his assists.

Basketball is a team game, and PG's should get the assists, and the bigs should get the rebounds. There's no reason for him to pound the ball for 20 seconds at a time, and snatch defensive rebounds out of his teammates' hands. If he's that good at rebounding, he should try getting some more offensive rebounds (averaged only 1 a game last year :facepalm).

He is the most selfish player of all time, because he is the most conscious about his numbers. He doesn't play to win, he plays to get credit for putting up empty stats.

no.. you listen to me you *insert epic insult here*...

1. Lebron is a natural pointguard with a natural pointguards mindset and game...... He has played PG his entire life before the NBA and has played PG in his first NBA game (where he had 9 assists) and has very often started PG thru out of his career even to this day, PG is his natural and 2ndary position forever... he may start SF... but this has more to do with strategy of his size & defense and matchups rather than anything....... his role is that of a PG's, his mindset is that of a PG's.... a PG is not just a position... its a ROLE.... Lebron is a POINTGUARD.......... and came to the NBA as a POINTGUARD... and was hyped to be "The next Magic Johnson"......... http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lebron-james

for obvious reasons, like NOBODY in NBA history besides Magic Johnson having that ballhandling, passing ability, court vision AT THAT SIZE.... he was even drafted POINTGUARD:
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2003.html
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2003


2. so YES... there IS reason for him to have the ball... just like MAGIC JOHNSON had the ball starting SF/SG from 1980-1983...........
You dont seem to understand the Role/Position POINT-FORWARD do you?

Point-Forward =
**A Starting Forward with Point-Guard skills and role..
**A Starting PointGuard with Forward size...

Point-Forwards because of the size & skills/talent therefore have super versatility position wise, which means they can start different positions.... but the role & mindset NEVER changes...

Magic Johnson was a Point-Forward
Lebron James is a Point-Forward
Scottie Pippen was a Point-Forward
Grant Hill was a Point-Forward
Penny Hardaway was a Point-Forward
Lamar Odom is a Point-Forward
Oscar Robertson was a Point-Forward

AND NONE OF THEM WERE "SELFISH"... :facepalm

NOW STOP THROWING LIES AND EXCUES FOR KOBES SELFISHNESS.......... HE IS SELFISH AND ARGUABLY THE MOST SELFISH PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY............ HIS COACHES, TEAMMATES HAVE CRITICISED HIM ABOUT THAT HIS ENTIRE LIFE.......... PHIL JACKSON EVEN MADE A GOD DAMN BOOK ABOUT KOBES SELFISHNESS AND HOW UNCOACHABLE HE IS.... HIS TEAMMATES EVEN TO THIS DAY WILL CRITICISE HIS SELFISHNESS:
http://articles.ocregister.com/2010-03-12/sports/24554591_1_gasol-and-bryant-pau-gasol-s-lakers-losses

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/02/-lakers-phil-jackson-pau-gasol-and-derek-fisher-debate-kobe-bryants-scoring-mentality-teams-lack-of-.html

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/02/02/gasol-jackson-criticize-kobe-on-his-historic-night/

http://sportsadvisor.sportsblognet.com/2010/03/08/kobe-still-the-most-selfish-player-in-the-nba-and-i-still-dont-like-him/


THE ONLY CRITICISM LEBRON EVER RECIEVED ABOUT THAT WAS HOW UNSELFISH HE IS......... PEOPLE CRITICISED LEBRON FOR HIS UNSELFISHNESS! PEOPLE CRITICISED HIM FOR BEING TO PASSIVE..... FOR PASSING TO MUCH!!!! JUST LIKE EVEN IN THE NBA FINALS........... LEBRON IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO WOULD BE HAPPY WINNING GAMES BY ONLY PASSING 24-7.... KOBE IS THE OPPOSITE!!

[tpols]

He is the most selfish player of all time, because he is the most conscious about his numbers. He doesn't play to win, he plays to get credit for putting up empty stats.
This is sort of true. People always associate scoring and selfishness with each other, but in the end what is it about volume scoring that makes a player selfish? It's that they want to accumulate as many points for THEMSELVES as possible right? How is that any different from wanting to collect as many assists as possible? It'd be one thing if Lebron always made the right play for the team to get a basket, but often times he isn't looking to do that. He's looking to be the guy that makes the last pass.. not the second, third, or fourth, because he wants the assist. We see it all the time..

[pegasus]

no.. you listen to me you *insert epic insult here*...

1. Lebron is a natural pointguard with a natural pointguards mindset and game...... He has played PG his entire life before the NBA and has played PG in his first NBA game (where he had 9 assists) and has very often started PG thru out of his career even to this day, PG is his natural and 2ndary position forever... he may start SF... but this has more to do with strategy of his size & defense and matchups rather than anything....... his role is that of a PG's, his mindset is that of a PG's.... a PG is not just a position... its a ROLE.... Lebron is a POINTGUARD.......... and came to the NBA as a POINTGUARD... and was hyped to be "The next Magic Johnson"......... http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lebron-james

for obvious reasons, like NOBODY in NBA history besides Magic Johnson having that ballhandling, passing ability, court vision AT THAT SIZE.... he was even drafted POINTGUARD:
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2003.html
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2003


2. so YES... there IS reason for him to have the ball... just like MAGIC JOHNSON had the ball starting SF/SG from 1980-1983...........
You dont seem to understand the Role/Position POINT-FORWARD do you?

Point-Forward =
**A Starting Forward with Point-Guard skills and role..
**A Starting PointGuard with Forward size...

Point-Forwards because of the size & skills/talent therefore have super versatility position wise, which means they can start different positions.... but the role & mindset NEVER changes...

Magic Johnson was a Point-Forward
Lebron James is a Point-Forward
Scottie Pippen was a Point-Forward
Grant Hill was a Point-Forward
Penny Hardaway was a Point-Forward
Lamar Odom is a Point-Forward
Oscar Robertson was a Point-Forward

AND NONE OF THEM WERE "SELFISH"... :facepalm

NOW STOP THROWING LIES AND EXCUES FOR KOBES SELFISHNESS.......... HE IS SELFISH AND ARGUABLY THE MOST SELFISH PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY............ HIS COACHES, TEAMMATES HAVE CRITICISED HIM ABOUT THAT HIS ENTIRE LIFE.......... PHIL JACKSON EVEN MADE A GOD DAMN BOOK ABOUT KOBES SELFISHNESS AND HOW UNCOACHABLE HE IS.... HIS TEAMMATES EVEN TO THIS DAY WILL CRITICISE HIS SELFISHNESS:
http://articles.ocregister.com/2010-03-12/sports/24554591_1_gasol-and-bryant-pau-gasol-s-lakers-losses

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/02/-lakers-phil-jackson-pau-gasol-and-derek-fisher-debate-kobe-bryants-scoring-mentality-teams-lack-of-.html

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/02/02/gasol-jackson-criticize-kobe-on-his-historic-night/

http://sportsadvisor.sportsblognet.com/2010/03/08/kobe-still-the-most-selfish-player-in-the-nba-and-i-still-dont-like-him/


THE ONLY CRITICISM LEBRON EVER RECIEVED ABOUT THAT WAS HOW UNSELFISH HE IS......... PEOPLE CRITICISED LEBRON FOR HIS UNSELFISHNESS! PEOPLE CRITICISED HIM FOR BEING TO PASSIVE..... FOR PASSING TO MUCH!!!! JUST LIKE EVEN IN THE NBA FINALS........... LEBRON IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO WOULD BE HAPPY WINNING GAMES BY ONLY PASSING 24-7.... KOBE IS THE OPPOSITE!!

I asked you this before, and this time I want an answer... Why does your medication always wear off towards the end of your posts?

It's a crime that you compare Lebron's selfish and arrogant ass to those truly unselfish players.

There's a huge difference between being a natural PG and always looking to make the best play for your team, and playing in disguise of a PG to make the best play for yourself to give brainless trolls like you some ammo to fight knowledgeable basketball lovers like myself and many others in this thread.

[Doctor Rivers]

you're making fun of my lebron :cry: :cry:



:roll:

[rodman91]

Lebron's mindset
Try to find a hole to drive inside for an easy layup or assist in first 20 seconds.

Shoot a brick or give up the ball to teammate in last 4 seconds.

Can he play off ball offense? No, he stands still to get ball in his hands.

Can he post up smaller guards? No.What's the point of having huge PG if you can't use him on post.

Can he make plays like an elite point guard? No, he just have better courtvision and passing skills than most of forwards.

Get real.
http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabb/aj/a-/af/be/TimDuncameGamOverLH.gif

[Odinn]

2004 NBA Finals - Kobe. One of the most glorified choke-job ever.

[Droid101]

2004 NBA Finals - Kobe. One of the most glorified choke-job ever.
Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to the thread.

[rodman91]

2004 NBA Finals - Kobe. One of the most glorified choke-job ever.

38% FG
17% 3PT
4.4 apg in 46 mpg. (Even Luke Walton had 4.5 apg in 19 mpg thanks to Shaq)

...and he did it while Shaq was having 63% in finals.

He chucked,choked and sabotaged in those finals.

[The Macho Man]

In my homie Nick Young's defense, would you pass that ball to Blatche, Mcgee, Yi, Seraphin?

[Droid101]

In my homie Nick Young's defense, would you pass that ball to Blatche, Mcgee, Yi, Seraphin?
Hey, I'm not dissing. The Wizards suck. Might as well get yours! :D

[The Macho Man]

Hey, I'm not dissing. The Wizards suck. Might as well get yours! :D

Exactly. But, for real, he's not passin to anybody.

[rodman91]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NjhiCj36IRY/SyuPPh-6RdI/AAAAAAAADXU/xWnrtM37DLk/s400/kobe_bryant_pass_catch.jpg
Selfish? :D

[jlauber]

make your all-chucker/ballhog/selfish/shotjacker teams.... :pimp:

By Chucker/Shotjacker/Selfish player i mean a player that is taking a ridicilous amount of shots in a bad FG% and having low assists or low assists/turnover ratio or low assist% based on his position & usage%.......... BASICALLY HIGH USAGE / LOW EFFICIENCY.........

Thats why it was hard to have Wilt Chamberlain there in my list because he is not like that (sure he chucks, but he makes most of it.. he is just that efficient, he cant help it lol).... but he is SELFISH like with the fury of an angry god... so it made it right... cmon.. he averaged 40 FGA a freakin game..... hahahahaha


today i gota go with:

PG - Derrick Rose / R.Westbrook / Gilbert Arenas
SG - Kobe Bryant / JR Smith / Monta Ellis
SF - Kevin Durant / Carmelo Anthony / Ron Artest / S-Jax
PF - Al Jefferson / Al Thornton / Al Harrington
C - Eddy Curry / Marreese Speights

all-time:

PG - Allen Iverson
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - T-Mac
PF - Elgin Baylor
C - Wilt Chamberlain

In Chamberlain's 60-61 season, he averaged 38.4 ppg on .509 shooting, in a league that shot .415. His teammates collectively shot .392.

In Wilt's 61-62 season, he averaged 50.4 ppg on .506 shooting, in a league that shot .426. His teammates collectively shot .402.

In his 62-63 season, he averaged 44.8 ppg on .528 shooting, in a league that shot .441. His teammates collectively shot .412.

[Dave3]

All right, sorted the list by lowest assist rate. Then picked the guy with over 20 usage rate that really plays the stated position. This would be the roster:

PG: Lou Williams (assist rate 19.3%, 6th worst out of 65 point guards)
SG: Nick Young (assist rate 6.2%, worst of all shooting guards)
SF: Corey Maggette (assist rate 9.2% with a whopping 25 usage rate!)
PF: Charlie Villanueva (5.5%, eck!)
C: Dwight Howard (5.8% assist rate, the only Center with over a 20 usage rate until you hit Andrea Bargniani's 7.4% assist rate)


So, nice try attempting to make a Kobe bashing thread. Kobe actually has a decent assist ratio.
Dwight a chucker...wow. Shows whatever method you're using to decide this is incredibly faulted. You just included Dwight as the shot jacking/chucking centre of the league....:facepalm

[pauk]

Can he play off ball offense? No, he stands still to get ball in his hands.

No... just like any balldominant pointguard/pointforward in NBA history (INCLUDING MAGIC JOHNSON) he is not a OFF THE BALL PLAYER.......


Can he post up smaller guards? No.What's the point of having huge PG if you can't use him on post.

you have to be kidding me? show me just ONE example of lebron not backing up small pointguards??

not many pointguards have EVER dared so much to try and even GUARD lebron in the post..... they would immediately switch....
and those who DID would be humiliated... or they would try and FLOP.........

like Rondo here... did u miss the Celtics series? He was backing Rondo down all the time, all the way under the hoop and just layed it in over him like he was just a 10 year old schoolgirl.....

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0213/nba_a_lebron-rondo01_300.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg__k-nbwSM/TVlWlIfIXMI/AAAAAAAAAGA/xBgo2AciwpM/s1600/Lebron-Rondo-799678.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MU8_qSF65Ho/TVlgTuMtLqI/AAAAAAAAAYY/Ui_EFnTeQek/s1600/nba_g_lebron-rondo03_576.jpg


Can he make plays like an elite point guard? No, he just have better courtvision and passing skills than most of forwards.

here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx5lTh3oWLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooEELfpn2C8&feature=related

SO......... The better question is CAN AN ELITE POINTGUARD MAKE PLAYS like Lebron? Answer is NO.... only probably Steve Nash.....

and lol @ "most forwards"... "MOST"... lmao... what Forward has better passing & court vision? tell me????

and lol @ only forwards.... what POINTGUARDS OR ANYBODY have better passing & court vision??

There may be Point-Guards who PASS MORE (and therefore get more assists) but no... there is no better Passer in the NBA than Lebron...... there is only ONE who probably has the same passing ability & court vision and that is only STEVE NASH



Get Real.

indeed....

[Ikill]

Dwight a chucker...wow. Shows whatever method you're using to decide this is incredibly faulted. You just included Dwight as the shot jacking/chucking centre of the league....:facepalm
not a chucker/shotjacker but he is a ball hog

[Heavincent]

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like Rondo here... did u miss the Celtics series? He was backing Rondo down all the time, all the way under the hoop and just layed it in over him like he was just a 10 year old schoolgirl.....

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0213/nba_a_lebron-rondo01_300.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg__k-nbwSM/TVlWlIfIXMI/AAAAAAAAAGA/xBgo2AciwpM/s1600/Lebron-Rondo-799678.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MU8_qSF65Ho/TVlgTuMtLqI/AAAAAAAAAYY/Ui_EFnTeQek/s1600/nba_g_lebron-rondo03_576.jpg


They're standing at the ****ing three point line :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is almost as funny as that time you posted a picture that included ESPY awards and two MVP's that said Steve Nash on them :oldlol:

[FourthTenor]

Westbrook
Bryant
Carmelo
Villanueva
Kaman

[pegasus]

They're standing at the ****ing three point line :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is almost as funny as that time you posted a picture that included ESPY awards and two MVP's that said Steve Nash on them :oldlol:

I know! :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's such an epic fail that he posted those pictures thinking he was proving his point, because Rondo guarded Lebron in that game's entire 3rd quarter, and literally SHUT. HIM. DOWN.

Check this out, pauk. Does the picture seem familiar? :lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=6119808

[Da Heroic One]

Hard to to call someone who purposely sabotaged his own team from winning because he knew he wasn't going to win the finals MVP unselfish.

[swi7ch]

ctrl+f for JR Smith, found him, left thread content