Is Reggie Miller a top 50 player of all-time?

[ThaSwagg3r]

dunno why this thread keeps getting deleted.

[HylianNightmare]

yes

[pauk]

yes

[kurt_rambis]

naah

[MasterDurant24]

Nope.

[Kevin_Gamble]

No.

[QuebecBaller]

http://sportsbull.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/50_greatest_615_0802112.jpg

He's not on that picture, so he's not a top 50 :D

[gengiskhan]

http://sportsbull.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/50_greatest_615_0802112.jpg

He's not on that picture, so he's not a top 50 :D

well said.

Neither if Copy Cryant so he's not top 50 either. Big O & West over Kobe any given day.

[RRR3]

well said.
Neither if Copy Cryant so he's not top 50 either. Big O & West over Kobe any given day.
:facepalm name 50 better than

[Math2]

No Way

[Collie]

Top 100? Sure. Top 75? Sure.

But top 50 might be pushing it. I mean, this was a one dimensional guy who never won a ring, an MVP or even made an all NBA 1st team. I'm pretty sure there are 50 greater players in NBA history.

[CeltsGarlic]

Top 100? Sure. Top 75? Sure.

But top 50 might be pushing it. I mean, this was a one dimensional guy who never won a ring, an MVP or even made an all NBA 1st team. I'm pretty sure there are 50 greater players in NBA history.


Including Ray Ray

[swi7ch]

top 51 bu tnot top 50

[pauk]

Top 100? Sure. Top 75? Sure.

But top 50 might be pushing it. I mean, this was a one dimensional guy who never won a ring, an MVP or even made an all NBA 1st team. I'm pretty sure there are 50 greater players in NBA history.

if being one dimensional is:

being the best of the ball / screen / catch n shoot player ever
being arguably the best clutch player ever
being the best shooter ever
being arguably the most consistant & durable player ever

then yes... he is one dimensional, most one dimensional ever :D

[jbryan1984]

As much as I love Reggie, I don't think I could put him in a top 50. Top 70-80 prob.

[Math2]

if being one dimensional is:

being the best of the ball / screen / catch n shoot player ever
being arguably the best clutch player ever
being the best shooter ever
being arguably the most consistant & durable player ever

then yes... he is one dimensional, most one dimensional ever :D

yes, that is one dimensional...Shooting and durability....

[Collie]

if being one dimensional is:

being the best of the ball / screen / catch n shoot player ever
being arguably the best clutch player ever
being the best shooter ever
being arguably the most consistant & durable player ever

then yes... he is one dimensional, most one dimensional ever :D

How can you say this when you have guys like Bird, MJ, Ray Allen, Kareem, Karl Malone, Stockton - all who proved better in those categories. I mean, sure I can give best shooter, but clutch player? He had his moments but also came up short in other moments. That stinker of a game 7 in 94 vs the Knicks? Guess nobody remembers that. How about a mediocre game 7 vs Orlando in 95? How about the 3 point line being shortened when he had those back to back triples?

And yeah, that one dimension is called scoring.

[Math2]

How can you say this when you have guys like Bird, MJ, Ray Allen, Kareem, Karl Malone, Stockton - all who proved better in those categories. I mean, sure I can give best shooter, but clutch player? He had his moments but also came up short in other moments. That stinker of a game 7 in 94 vs the Knicks? Guess nobody remembers that. How about a mediocre game 7 vs Orlando in 95? How about the 3 point line being shortened when he had those back to back triples?

And yeah, that one dimension is called scoring.

I'd say shooting is his one dimension.

[JMT]

No, and he's not that close.

[Bigsmoke]

Hell no

[TrueAristotle]

http://sportsbull.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/50_greatest_615_0802112.jpg

He's not on that picture, so he's not a top 50 :D
If he wasn't on there then, then there is no way he should be on there now.

[Kblaze8855]

From 96 to now you have to add Duncan, AI, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Nash, Wade, Lebron, and guys like Webber, Ray, Pierce, Payton, Kidd, and on and on and on have to be considered. Even if you saw fit to drop a few guys from the first top 50 for Reggie(and I see a case for like...3 people tops) you have to add 13-15 guys before him anyway.

[The_Yearning]

Chris Webber? Nash? Wtf?

[MasterDurant24]

if being one dimensional is:

being the best of the ball / screen / catch n shoot player ever
being arguably the best clutch player ever
being the best shooter ever
being arguably the most consistant & durable player ever
then yes... he is one dimensional, most one dimensional ever :D
I see no arguement in him being more durable than Karl Malone, who actually banged inside for 19 seasons and only was out for a long period of time in his last season. I don't see an arguement from being the best clutch player over Jordan, Bird, or Jerry West. Reggie had his share of failing in clutch time, seems like nobody wants to remember that. I wouldn't even say he's the best shooter ever either.

[RRR3]

Off the top of my head players better than Reggie Miller in NBA History (not in any real order I numbered it to help me keep track):

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Oscar Robertson
11. Tim Duncan
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Charles Barkley
14. LeBron James
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Isiah Thomas
18. Jerry West
19. Karl Malone
20. Moses Malone
21. John Stockton
22. John Havlicek
23. Jason Kidd
24. Steve Nash
25. George Gervin
26. Julius Erving
27. Rick Barry
28. Dominique Wilkins
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Walt Frazier
31. Scottie Pippen
32. David Robinson
33. Patrick Ewing
34. Bob McAdoo
35. Kevin McHale
36. Elgin Baylor
37. Elvin Hayes
38. Bob Pettit
39. George Mikan
40. Ray Allen
41. Paul Pierce
42. Allen Iverson
43. Gary Payton
44. Pete Maravich
45. Alex English
46. Robert Parish
47. Tiny Archibald
48. Paul Arizin
49. Adrian Dantley
50. Bob Cousy

That's 50 better.

[the_wise_one]

Yes

[TrueAristotle]

Off the top of my head players better than Reggie Miller in NBA History (not in any real order I numbered it to help me keep track):

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Oscar Robertson
11. Tim Duncan
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Charles Barkley
14. LeBron James
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Isiah Thomas
18. Jerry West
19. Karl Malone
20. Moses Malone
21. John Stockton
22. John Havlicek
23. Jason Kidd
24. Steve Nash
25. George Gervin
26. Julius Erving
27. Rick Barry
28. Dominique Wilkins
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Walt Frazier
31. Scottie Pippen
32. David Robinson
33. Patrick Ewing
34. Bob McAdoo
35. Kevin McHale
36. Elgin Baylor
37. Elvin Hayes
38. Bob Pettit
39. George Mikan
40. Ray Allen
41. Paul Pierce
42. Allen Iverson
43. Gary Payton
44. Pete Maravich
45. Alex English
46. Robert Parish
47. Tiny Archibald
48. Paul Arizin
49. Adrian Dantley
50. Bob Cousy

That's 50 better.
???

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

James Jones > Reggie Miller

[kaiiu]

Anthony Parker with more FGA.

[L.Kizzle]

http://sportsbull.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/50_greatest_615_0802112.jpg

He's not on that picture, so he's not a top 50 :D
Why id Jordan in the middle and Walt Frazier looks taller than 6'4.

[MasterDurant24]

abc order
No, Jordan's next to Bird, Barkley next to Malone, Frazier next to Stockton.

[MasterDurant24]

Off the top of my head players better than Reggie Miller in NBA History (not in any real order I numbered it to help me keep track):

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Oscar Robertson
11. Tim Duncan
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Charles Barkley
14. LeBron James
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Isiah Thomas
18. Jerry West
19. Karl Malone
20. Moses Malone
21. John Stockton
22. John Havlicek
23. Jason Kidd
24. Steve Nash
25. George Gervin
26. Julius Erving
27. Rick Barry
28. Dominique Wilkins
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Walt Frazier
31. Scottie Pippen
32. David Robinson
33. Patrick Ewing
34. Bob McAdoo
35. Kevin McHale
36. Elgin Baylor
37. Elvin Hayes
38. Bob Pettit
39. George Mikan
40. Ray Allen
41. Paul Pierce
42. Allen Iverson
43. Gary Payton
44. Pete Maravich
45. Alex English
46. Robert Parish
47. Tiny Archibald
48. Paul Arizin
49. Adrian Dantley
50. Bob Cousy

That's 50 better.

Bill Walton
Dave Cowens
Bernard King
Nate Thurmond
Dave Debusschere
Hal Greer
Sam Jones
James Worthy
Dennis Johnson

9 more that can be put over him.

[Round Mound]

I think Top 50 Players can do more than just one thing. Reggie was a Deadly Shooter and thats about it.

Barkley was much better than Garnett and Malone and Peak wise he would have outplayd Duncan

All Broken Down Stats suggest Barkley is a Top 10 Player but because he didn`t win a ring with his teams he is droped to 15-20. Bullcrap. :facepalm

[Jacks3]

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

:oldlol:
What's so funny?

[Jacks3]

Round Mound randomly bringing up Barkley...:confusedshrug:

[Kato]

I think Top 50 Players can do more than just one thing. Reggie was a Deadly Shooter and thats about it.

Barkley was much better than Garnett and Malone and Peak wise he would have outplayd Duncan

All Broken Down Stats suggest Barkley is a Top 10 Player but because he didn`t win a ring with his teams he is droped to 15-20. Bullcrap. :facepalm

Dude i totally agree, Barkley is one of the top 10 best of all time but they on that ring bs. F a ring, that's not how im gonna judge player because you have to look at circumstances. A player like kobe is great as hell and would still be top 10 to me if he didnt win a ring. Same argument with iverson(not top 10 around 30)

[t-rex]

dunno why this thread keeps getting deleted.



He** yes!!!!

[t-rex]

Off the top of my head players better than Reggie Miller in NBA History (not in any real order I numbered it to help me keep track):

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Oscar Robertson
11. Tim Duncan
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Charles Barkley
14. LeBron James
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Isiah Thomas
18. Jerry West
19. Karl Malone
20. Moses Malone
21. John Stockton
22. John Havlicek
23. Jason Kidd
24. Steve Nash
25. George Gervin
26. Julius Erving
27. Rick Barry
28. Dominique Wilkins
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Walt Frazier
31. Scottie Pippen
32. David Robinson
33. Patrick Ewing
34. Bob McAdoo
35. Kevin McHale
36. Elgin Baylor
37. Elvin Hayes
38. Bob Pettit
39. George Mikan
40. Ray Allen
41. Paul Pierce
42. Allen Iverson
43. Gary Payton
44. Pete Maravich
45. Alex English
46. Robert Parish
47. Tiny Archibald
48. Paul Arizin
49. Adrian Dantley
50. Bob Cousy

That's 50 better.


I think it could be argued that Reggie Miller is on par with Ray Allen, Jason Kidd and maybe Alex English. There are also other players on your list such as Paul Arizin who are difficult to judge because nobody on this message board every saw them play. Often times "old timers" are REALLY OVERRATED.

[t-rex]

Dude i totally agree, Barkley is one of the top 10 best of all time but they on that ring bs. F a ring, that's not how im gonna judge player because you have to look at circumstances. A player like kobe is great as hell and would still be top 10 to me if he didnt win a ring. Same argument with iverson(not top 10 around 30)


There is no way Barkley is a top 10 player of all time. Sorry.

A better argument might be is Barkley a TOP 5 Sixer! Never mind the rest of the NBA.

Think about it.

TOP 76ER Players in any order

1) Chamberlin
2) Erving
3) M. Malone
4) Iverson
5) Barkley.

You could take those 5 players (Just off the top of my head) and put them in any order you wish. But if you are objective, the notion that Prime Barkley was substantially better than Prime Wilt, Prime Dr. J or Prime Moses is simply not true. Sr. Charles has to be clearly the best or second best player in franchise history first.... before he can be a top ten player in LEAGUE HISTORY.

[D.J.]

I think it could be argued that Reggie Miller is on par with Ray Allen, Jason Kidd and maybe Alex English. There are also other players on your list such as Paul Arizin who are difficult to judge because nobody on this message board every saw them play. Often times "old timers" are REALLY OVERRATED.


Allen, Kidd, and English were much more complete players. Reggie was a deadly shooter and extremely clutch. He didn't do much else. In his time and position, MJ, Mitch Richmond, Petro, Dumars, and Drexler were better just off the top of my head. He wasn't top 5, even at his absolute peak('92 ish)

[t-rex]

Bill Walton
Dave Cowens
Bernard King
Nate Thurmond
Dave Debusschere
Hal Greer
Sam Jones
James Worthy
Dennis Johnson

9 more that can be put over him.


Dave Cowens- Better than Miller. You always go with the big man first

Bernard King-Better than Miller. Among the most underrated great scorers in NBA history

Nate Thurmond-Didn't see him play (Prime).

Dave Debusschere-Didn't see him play

Hal Greer-Never saw him play

Sam Jones-Never saw him play

James Worthy-Close call but I would go with "Big Game James."

Dennis Johnson-Miller was better. DJ has rings because he played on better teams. If Miller had Bird, Mchale and Parish in the 90s, he would have multiple rings too.

[t-rex]

Allen, Kidd, and English were much more complete players. Reggie was a deadly shooter and extremely clutch. He didn't do much else. In his time and position, MJ, Mitch Richmond, Petro, Dumars, and Drexler were better just off the top of my head. He wasn't top 5, even at his absolute peak('92 ish)


Reggie Miller carried teams much better than many of those players. Reggie Miller got a pretty average NBA Roster to the NBA Finals in 2001. And I would argue he was the single dominate player on the only team in the Jordan era that ever truly had the Bulls on the ropes. ( Pacers/Bulls 1998 EC Final). Those facts are worth a lot.

I think these facts lift him above Richmond, Kidd, English and Petro.

Drexler and MJ were clearly better players than Miller.

I would take Miller over Dumars. Dumars benefitted from playing with players on all time great teams. But he was never the "franchise player" Miller was. Heck it could be argued that Prime Dumars at times was only the 3rd best guard on his own team (Isiah Thomas/Vinnie Microwave Johonson) Edge-Miller.

[D.J.]

Reggie Miller carried teams much better than many of those players. Reggie Miller got a pretty average NBA Roster to the NBA Finals in 2001. And I would argue he was the single dominate player on the only team in the Jordan era that ever truly had the Bulls on the ropes. ( Pacers/Bulls 1998 EC Final). Those facts are worth a lot.


I think these facts lift him above Richmond, Kidd, English and Petro


Kidd led his team to back-to-back Finals appearances. Petro was a more complete player and led a garbage Nets team to the playoffs in '92 and had them on pace for almost 50 wins for most of '93. Richmond was a better, more complete version that had the unfortunate luck of playing on sh*t teams. English, like Richmond was simply a more complete player. English was putting up 26/4/4 at 35.



Drexler and MJ were clearly better players than Miller.


No argument.



I would take Miller over Dumars. Dumars benefitted from playing with players on all time great teams. But he was never the "franchise player" Miller was. Heck it could be argued that Prime Dumars at times was only the 3rd best guard on his own team (Isiah Thomas/Vinnie Microwave Johonson) Edge-Miller.


:oldlol: at Vinnie Johnson being better. Dumars was one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Even Michael Jordan admitted so. If Vinnie Johnson was better, why was he playing only 25 MPG and Dumars was playing 30+?

And Reggie didn't benefit from playing on Indy? He didn't benefit from guys like Rik Smits, Antonio and Dale Davis, and Derrick McKey setting screens so he could shoot and score?

[Lebron23]

Why id Jordan in the middle and Walt Frazier looks taller than 6'4.

Cause Walt Frazier is a legit 6'4". He's going to be listed at 6'5" or 6'6" if he plays in today's NBA.

[PowerGlove]

Reggie Miller carried teams much better than many of those players. Reggie Miller got a pretty average NBA Roster to the NBA Finals in 2001. And I would argue he was the single dominate player on the only team in the Jordan era that ever truly had the Bulls on the ropes. ( Pacers/Bulls 1998 EC Final). Those facts are worth a lot.

I think these facts lift him above Richmond, Kidd, English and Petro.

Drexler and MJ were clearly better players than Miller.

I would take Miller over Dumars. Dumars benefitted from playing with players on all time great teams. But he was never the "franchise player" Miller was. Heck it could be argued that Prime Dumars at times was only the 3rd best guard on his own team (Isiah Thomas/Vinnie Microwave Johonson) Edge-Miller.
:roll:

[MasterDurant24]

Dave Cowens- Better than Miller. You always go with the big man first

Bernard King-Better than Miller. Among the most underrated great scorers in NBA history

Nate Thurmond-Didn't see him play (Prime).

Dave Debusschere-Didn't see him play

Hal Greer-Never saw him play

Sam Jones-Never saw him play

James Worthy-Close call but I would go with "Big Game James."

Dennis Johnson-Miller was better. DJ has rings because he played on better teams. If Miller had Bird, Mchale and Parish in the 90s, he would have multiple rings too.

I'm not putting DJ over Miller because of the rings. He was just simply a better basketball player than Miller. Way better defender, a smarter player, better passer and better rebounder. Even without the Celtics championships, he still has the one with the Sonics where he won Finals MVP, he has more All NBA teams, and 9 All-Defensive Teams.

[L.Kizzle]

:roll:
Yea Rik Smits and the Davis Boys are really a great frontcourt tandem in the Bird/McHale/Parish worlds. Oh, old ass Chris Mullin, old ass Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose.

[TheJerseyMaker]

dunno why this thread keeps getting deleted.


NO! he's not even the Greatest Pacer (Roger Brown)

[L.Kizzle]

NO! he's not even the Greatest Pacer (Roger Brown)
If you're gonna name a Pacer greater than Reggie, at least name the right player,.

Mel Daniels.

[TheJerseyMaker]

Chris Webber? Nash? Wtf?

I take Nash over Stocton. The whole thing of top 50 is silly. It's so hard to compare players from different eras. Tiny is as good as any point guard that has ever played but will never get his due because of the teams he played on. Nobody mentions Tiny when talking about great point guards but try to name 3 that were better than Tiny.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/missjerseyz2008/jordanfrntbackcopy-1.jpg

[TheJerseyMaker]

If you're gonna name a Pacer greater than Reggie, at least name the right player,.

Mel Daniels.

by the Time the Leagues Merged Roger was easily considered the Greatest ABA player ever. And the Records supported that. Not knocking Mel. He, Zelmo and Gilmore were the Premier centers in the League. Mel and Beaty played most of their careers in the ABA.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/missjerseyz2008/MARVINBARNESCOMBO.jpg

[Round Mound]

There is no way Barkley is a top 10 player of all time. Sorry.

A better argument might be is Barkley a TOP 5 Sixer! Never mind the rest of the NBA.

Think about it.

TOP 76ER Players in any order

1) Chamberlin
2) Erving
3) M. Malone
4) Iverson
5) Barkley.

You could take those 5 players (Just off the top of my head) and put them in any order you wish. But if you are objective, the notion that Prime Barkley was substantially better than Prime Wilt, Prime Dr. J or Prime Moses is simply not true. Sr. Charles has to be clearly the best or second best player in franchise history first.... before he can be a top ten player in LEAGUE HISTORY.

[B]Barkley is Top 10-11 All Time in PER (Season and Play-Offs)
Barkley is Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley is Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus
Barkley is Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential
Barkley is Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Barkley is a Top 10 Player Ever

Don`t give me this ring crap here because thats a team acomplishment not how much you dominated and how efficient you where.

MJ is a N

[TheJerseyMaker]

If you're gonna name a Pacer greater than Reggie, at least name the right player,.

Mel Daniels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=328XDsy0qJE found this great video on youtube. The Pacers were the dominant team of the ABA. Full of Great player. Freddie Lewis, Billy Keller, Roger, Big Mac, Mel D. Darnell, Neto and so on. But my alltime greatest is Still The RaJah

I have got to get me another Roger Jersey. I wore out my last one wearing it so much. I'll get a Mel Daniels for You.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/missjerseyz2008/DSC_0677copy2.jpg

[t-rex]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Barkley is Top 10-11 All Time in PER (Season and Play-Offs)
Barkley is Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley is Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus
Barkley is Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential
Barkley is Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Barkley is a Top 10 Player Ever

Don`t give me this ring crap here because thats a team acomplishment not how much you dominated and how efficient you where.

MJ is a N

[pauk]

Reggie > Any Shooter & Any Clutch Player


The dude would for 18 god damn years with durability & consistancy sink some kindof clutch shots every single game....

[MasterDurant24]

Reggie > Any Shooter & Any Clutch Player


The dude would for 18 god damn years with durability & consistancy sink some kindof clutch shots every single game....
Jordan, West, Bird were all more clutch. Reggie didn't hit clutch shots every single game, if you think that then you never saw him play simple as that.