Charles Barkley > Karl Malone

[Round Mound]

This one thred saying Malone > Barkley has to be one of the funniest threads ever

No way Malone was Better. He was never as Efficient Scorer, Post Season Clutch Player or Over All Around Player Barkley was

If you wan`t to do a Head to Head Analysis then do it when Barkley was healthy that is till 1995

Finally there are also the numbers from the 1985-86 season in favor or Barkley but here is the one that destroyed Malone hommers.

BARKLEY VS MALONE (PRIMES)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

Ages 23 to 32: Seasons 1986-87 to 1995-96 as Focal Scorers and Players.

Total of 26 Games: ages 23 to 32

They Played 11 More Games: ages 33-36: When Barkley Was a Role Player, 2nd Fiddle and 2nd-3rd Scoring Option

*Excluding the 1985-86 Season because the Stats aren`t found for that season: both Barkley and Malone where age 22
*BTW Barkley and Malone are te same age:

Malone came to the NBA at age 22 (1985-86)
Barkley came to the NBA At age 21 (1984-85)

*Including Barkley`s Injury In 1993-94 and the fact he was set to retire after the 1994-95 season.

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Time Played:

Barkley

966 MPG/ 26 games

37.2 MPG

Malone

983 MPG /26 games

37.8 MPG

*Malone Played More

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Scoring Efficiency

Charles Barkley

204 FGs / 399 FGAs
594 Pts / 26

22.8 PPG

(15.3 FGAs PG *Shooting Less)

51.13% FG


Karl Malone

231 FGs / 465 FGAs
645 Pts/ 26 games

24.8 PPG

(17.9 FGAs PG *Shooting More)

49.67% FG

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*Including 2-Point FG% (A PFs Inside Scoring Efficiency Job)


Barkley: 67 Three-Point FGAs
Barkley: 20 Three-Point FGs

Barkley: 399 - 67 = 332 Two-Point FGAs
Barkley: 204 - 20 = 184 Two-Point FGs

Barkley Shot: 55.42% Two-Point FG against Malone

Malone: 15 Three-Point FGAs
Maloe: 4 Three Point FGs

Malone

465 - 15 = 450 Two Point FGAs
231 - 4 = 227 Two-Point FGs

Malone Shot 50.44% Two-Point FG against Barkley

*Barkley Shot 5% Better than Malone Inside. That`s like a Player Shooting 45% against one and the other Shooting 50% against that one....

*Malone Played More and Shot Less Effective

*Malone had THE GREATEST PASSER AND GAME CREATING POINT GUARD to DESIGN HIS SCORING - JOHN STOCKTON

Barkley was the Superior Scorer against Malone

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Rebounding:

Barkley

262 / 26 games

10.1 RPG

Malone

248 / 26 games

9.5 RPG

Barkley was the Superior Rebounder against Malone

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Assists:

Barkley

105 / 26 games

4.0 APG

Malone

70 / 26 games

2.7 APG

*Barkely was the Way Better Assiter than Malone and Not To Forget Barkley was Doubled More than Malone

*Barkley was Also the Better Game Creator because he had to BE THE SECOND LEAD GAME CREATOR after his Point Guard for Most of his Prime

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Blocks:

Barkley

16 / 26 games

0.62 BPG

Malone

20 / 26 games

0.77 BPG

*Malone Blocked Better than Barkley when facing him but we all know who was the Better Shot Blocker (Barkley)

*Not to Forget Karl Malone Had Way Better Defensive Help with Thurl Baily (could guard SFs and PFs, was quick-athletic-agil) and ofcourse

THEE BEST INTERIOR DEFENDER AND SHOT BLOCKER AND OVERAL ONE OF THE BEST DEFENDERS IN THE LATE 80s-EARLY 90s:

MARK EATON for ......PAINT DEFENDING HELP

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eatonma01.html

Defensive Rating

1982-83 NBA 97.8 (10)
1984-85 NBA 96.5 (1)
1985-86 NBA 100.0 (5)
1986-87 NBA 100.2 (2)
1987-88 NBA 100.7 (2)
1988-89 NBA 97.7 (2)
1989-90 NBA 102.4 (9)
1991-92 NBA 102.5 (10)


Blocks Per Game

1982-83 NBA 3.4 (3)
1983-84 NBA 4.3 (1)
1984-85 NBA 5.6 (1)
1985-86 NBA 4.6 (2)
1986-87 NBA 4.1 (1)
1987-88 NBA 3.7 (1)
1988-89 NBA 3.8 (2)
1989-90 NBA 2.5 (6)
1990-91 NBA 2.4 (7)
1991-92 NBA 2.5 (9)
Career NBA 3.5 (1)
Career 3.5 (1)

Block Pct

1982-83 NBA 9.2 (1)
1983-84 NBA 8.5 (1)
1984-85 NBA 8.7 (1)
1985-86 NBA 8.1 (2)
1986-87 NBA 7.4 (2)
1987-88 NBA 6.4 (3)
1988-89 NBA 6.5 (2)
1989-90 NBA 5.5 (6)
1991-92 NBA 6.2 (4)
Career NBA 6.9 (5)
Career 6.9 (5)

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Steals:

Barkley

44/ 26 games

SPG: 1.7 SPG

Malone

34/ 26 games

1.3 SPG

*Barkley was the Better Floor Defender than Malone and Yes We Know Who Was the Better Stealer (Barkley)

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Turn Overs:

Barkley

89/26

3.4 TOV PG

Malone

78/ 26

3.0 TOV PG

*Ofcourse Malone had Less Turn Overs...His Job Was to Wait for Stockton to Design Him the Pick and Roll or Fast Break Pass while he had to do ZERO GAME CREATING with THE BEST PASSER OF ALL TIME LEADING, a SG and a SF that Had THE SECOND AND THIRD GAME CREATING JOB

*Barkley`s Job Was To Do Everything from The PF Spot from 1986 to 1992

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Personal Fouls:

Barkley

95/26 games

3.7 PF

Malone

93/26 games

3.6 PF

*Barkley fouled a bit more but obviously Malone never had to Guard Barkley as much as he had to Guard him because BARKLEY WAS A MISSMATCH so there was usually 3 PLAYERS ROTATING ON HIM, including Malone

*It was to Prevent Karl Malone (Their Best Scorer, Rebounder and One of the Best Defenders) from Fouling Out

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FT Shooting:


*Barkley had the Edge FT Shooting against Malone but We All Know Who Was the Better FT Shooter (Malone)

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Dedicated to All Those Idiots Who Base The Head to Head Matchups After Their Primes from Ages 33-36: after Barkley left to Houston as a 2nd-3rd Focal Scorer and 2nd Fiddle with a Dead Back (Like Bird), Knee Injuries and Overweight...

Insead of Their Primes ages 23-32 (missing ages 22)

DON`T EVER UNDERRATE BARKLEY AGAIN!

[Rnbizzle]

Obsessed..

[Round Mound]

http://www.rootzoo.com/articles/view/NBA-Basketball/General/UBJSC-4-A-Basketball-Analytics-Primer_3549

Putting it together: Offensive Rating. By now, you're probably impatient for a number that tells us how efficient a player is overall with the possessions that he uses, and the answer comes in the form of Dean Oliver's Offensive Rating (OR). The formula is a bit complicated to reproduce here (I refer you to Oliver's excellent Basketball on Paper for its full derivation), but it suffices to say that Offensive Rating provides a rating of how many points a player scores per 100 possessions that he uses while on the floor. The league's typical rating has varied throughout history, but today stands at around 107.

The best OR belong to jump-shooting guards and, to a lesser extent, high-percentage post players. The career leaders are Steve Kerr (122.06), Reggie Miller (121.48), Magic Johnson (120.79), John Stockton (120.55), and Kiki Vandeweghe (119.49).


In general, the more possessions that a player uses, the lower we expect his OR to be, because player who use more possessions have to use more possessions in precarious situations.

If a player has a high career Usage Rate and a high OR, that indicates that he is a monster on offense. Magic Johnson falls into this category, as does Charles Barkley (119.31), Adran Dantley (118.40), the incomparable Michael Jordan (who, with the highest career Usage Rate, had a career OR of 117.97, the 13th best in history), and Dirk Nowitzki (117.80).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/off_rtg_career.html

Career Leaders and Records for Offensive Rating


NBA/ABA
Rank Player ORtg

1. Steve Kerr 122.06 (CG)
2. Reggie Miller 121.48 (SG)
3. Magic Johnson* 120.79 (PG-Point F)
4. John Stockton* 120.55 (PG)
5. Chris Paul 120.54 (PG)
6. Kiki Vandeweghe 119.49 (SF-SG)
7. Sidney Moncrief 119.40 (CG-PG)
8. Charles Barkley* 119.31 (PF)

More Polished? :oldlol:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_career.html

Career Leaders and Records for True Shooting Pct


NBA/ABA
Rank Player TS%
1. Cedric Maxwell .6294
2. Artis Gilmore .6227
3. James Donaldson .6177
4. Adrian Dantley* .6166
5. Jeff Ruland .6152
6. Reggie Miller .6139
7. Charles Barkley* .6120
8. Magic Johnson* .6095
9. John Stockton* .6081

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html

Career Leaders and Records for Effective Field Goal Pct

NBA/ABA
Rank Player eFG%

1. Artis Gilmore .5820
2. Shaquille O'Neal .5818
3. Mark West .5804
4. Steve Johnson .5722
5. Darryl Dawkins .5721
6. James Donaldson .5706
7. Brent Barry .5703
8. Dwight Howard .5679
9. Bo Outlaw .5678
10. Steve Kerr .5642
11. Jeff Ruland .5641
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .5595
13. Bobby Jones .5583
14. Charles Barkley* .5578
15. Kevin McHale* .5554

Proof of Barkley`s Statistical Overall Polished Skill Efficiency:

http://www.basketballreference.com/leaders/leaderscareer.htm?stat=eff&lg=n


Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13 3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415

More Fun with Statistical +/-

Posted by Neil Paine on February 27, 2009

The other day, I talked at some length about “statistical plus/minus,” which is just a regression of pure adjusted +/- on the conventional boxscore stats. In that post, I looked into the possibility of predicting the following season using a weighted average of the 3 previous seasons’ SPM scores, but I realize that I sort of skimmed over the statistical +/- metric itself — what are its strengths and weaknesses? What kind of players does it overrate and underrate?


In an effort to better understand the metric and answer these questions, I calculated the career leaders in SPM (combined NBA + ABA, minimum 15,000 career MP) through last Saturday’s games. Here’s the list:

Player Pos G Min SPM
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michaeljordan G 1072 41013 12.85
wiltchamberlain C 1045 47859 11.59
davidrobinson C 987 34272 10.79
lebronjames F 444 18083 10.00
charlesbarkley F 1073 39330 9.03
k.abdul-jabbar C 1560 57446 9.01
magicjohnson G 906 33245 8.82
larrybird F 897 34443 8.81
juliuserving F 1243 45227 8.57
shaquilleo'neal C 1089 39103 8.21
bobpettit F 792 30690 7.87
clydedrexler G 1086 37537 7.79
oscarrobertson G 1040 43886 7.75
hakeemolajuwon C 1238 44222 7.70
elginbaylor F 846 33863 7.59
karlmalone F 1476 54852 7.50andreikirilenko F 533 16671 7.37
timduncan F 877 32481 7.30

[Round Mound]

[B]Not Only Did Barkley Outplay Karl Malone for 70% of Their Total 100% Head to Head Match Ups When HEALTHY and BOTH in Their PRIMES but he was THE TOTAL BETTER PLAYER

HEALTHY PRIME BARKLEY (before back and knee injuries) VS HEALTHY PRIME MALONE 1985-1985: ages 22-31

PLAYER COMPARISON:

Barkley

37 MPG (Playing Less Minutes)

22.7 PPG (14,6 FGAs PG only) on 55.5% FG (Way More Effective Scorer!)

11,3 RPG (More!)
3.8 APG (More!)
1.6 SPG (More!)
0.9 BPG (More!)
3.2 TOVs PG [COLOR="DarkRed"](Ofcourse! He Didn

[JordanTime]

Round Mound, you didn't need to do all this. Everyone i talk basketball with, knows this.

[Round Mound]

Round Mound, you didn't need to do all this. Everyone i talk basketball with, knows this.

I had to do it because there are so many kiddos that watched the NBA from 1996 on and never before that keep saying lies about who was better

More details

Shot Made & Missed Diferential Stat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNib-lu92Ok&feature=channel_video_title

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/nbaalltimescorers.htm

SHOT MADE/MISS DIFFERENTIAL STAT-
(minimum 15,000 shot attempts)

Unstoppable shot makers (+1 - infinity):

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: +3,367.5
2. Shaquille O'Neal: +3,200.5
3. Wilt Chamberlain: +1,865
4. Charles Barkley: +1,434

5. Robert Parish: +1,314
6. Adrian Dantley: +1,220.5
7. Karl Malone: +888.5
8. Bernard King: +562.5
9. Hakeem Olajuwon: +519.5
10. Walt Bellamy: +488
11. Walter Davis: +443.5
12. Bob Lanier: +431
13. George Gervin: +381.5
14. Alex English: +291
15. Reggie Miller: +263
16. Tim Duncan: +248
17. Dale Ellis: +230.5
18. Larry Bird: +172.5
19. Patrick Ewing: +172.5
20. Michael Jordan: +137.5
21. Kevin Garnett: +0.5

Elite shot makers (0 - negative 500):

22. Dirk Nowitzki: -193.5
23. Ray Allen: -332.5
24. Lou Hudson: -345
25. Moses Malone: -351
26. Scottie Pippen: -371

Good shot makers (negative 501 - negative 1,000):

27. Chris Webber: -508
28. Terry Cummings: -516
29. Calvin Murphy: -531
30. Clyde Drexler: -589.5
31. Oscar Robertson: -604
32. Eddie Johnson: -626
33. Gary Payton: -716
34. Mitch Richmond: -765
35. Paul Pierce: -841
36. Tom Chambers: -879.5
37. Antawn Jamison: -899
38. Michael Finley: -976
39. Jerry West: -1,000

Shot jackers (negative 1,001 - negative 2,000):

40. Vince Carter: -1,126.5
41. Kobe Bryant: -1,212
42. Dominique Wilkins: -1,307
43. Isiah Thomas: -1,317
44. Tracy McGrady: -1,427.5
45. Gail Goodrich: -1,438
46. Cliff Robinson: -1,470.5
47. Rick Barry: -1,622.5
48. Hal Greer: -1,803
49. Dave Bing: -1,845

Shot too much (negative 2,001 - negative infinity):

50. Bob Pettit: -2,174
51. Allen Iverson: -2,442.5
52. Elgin Baylor: -2,785
53. John Havlicek: -2,904
54. Elvin Hayes: -2,952.5
55. Dolph Schayes: -3,721
56. Bob Cousy: -4,132

Once Again Prooving Barkley`s Offensive Efficiency Dominance as a 6`4 3/4 PF way More Dominant than Malone or Duncan.

Charles was Shorter More Athletic Prior Shaq-like Version with Guard Instincts, Handles and Center Like Play in the Post and For Timing Block Shots Footwork ala Center.

Barkley is Indeed A TOP 10 ALL TIME PLAYER

[Legends66NBA7]

I knew that Round Mound would bring the Bold and Color

Though I might not agree with everything you say, I respect your work bro.

[Round Mound]

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 26.91
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.65
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Chris Paul 25.22
9. Tim Duncan 24.84
10. Neil Johnston* 24.63
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Magic Johnson* 24.11
14. Karl Malone* 23.90

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 26.31
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.12
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.43
7. Dirk Nowitzki 24.75
8. Tracy McGrady 24.66
9. Dwyane Wade 24.56
10. Charles Barkley* 24.18
11. Dwight Howard 23.65
12. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
13. Jerry West* 23.06
14. David Robinson* 23.02
15. Amare Stoudemire 23.01
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.77
19. Bob Pettit* 22.59
20. Kobe Bryant 22.28
21. Baron Davis 22.20
22. Julius Erving* 22.05
23. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
24. Rick Barry* 21.79
25. Kevin Garnett 21.67
26. Moses Malone* 21.57
27. Larry Bird* 21.41
28. Pau Gasol 21.39
29. Allen Iverson 21.23
30. George Gervin* 21.17
31. Karl Malone* 21.12


NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABA
Rank Player WS/48
1. Michael Jordan* 0.2505
2. David Robinson* 0.2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2480
4. Neil Johnston* 0.2413
5. Chris Paul 0.2328
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2284
7. LeBron James 0.2266
8. Magic Johnson* 0.2249
9. Charles Barkley* 0.2163
10. Tim Duncan 0.2162
11. Manu Ginobili 0.2138
12. Dirk Nowitzki 0.2137
13. Jerry West* 0.2134
14. Bob Pettit* 0.2128
15. John Stockton* 0.2087
16. Shaquille O'Neal 0.2081
17. Oscar Robertson* 0.2069
18. Karl Malone* 0.2053
19. Larry Bird* 0.2032

[Round Mound]

I knew that Round Mound would bring the Bold and Color

Though I might not agree with everything you say, I respect your work bro.

Thank You.

I was there to watch Barkley in his prime and he was seen as better till the 1995-96 season which i myself agree Malone was better since on. Never before.

[Bigsmoke]

Kendrick Lamar >>> both
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o3AQvKW_b0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7tthGdCTE

[JordanTime]

wow, nice stuff.

Karl Malone was overrated. He doesn't deserve any of his MVP's. Karl Malone winning over Michael Jordan in 97, shows you how much of a joke the MVP award is. And him winning it 99 (50 game season due to lockout) was also a joke.

[Round Mound]

wow, nice stuff.

Karl Malone was overrated. He doesn't deserve any of his MVP's. Karl Malone winning over Michael Jordan in 97, shows you how much of a joke the MVP award is. And him winning it 99 (50 game season due to lockout) was also a joke.

[B]MVPs are stup

[JordanTime]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]MVPs are stup

[Round Mound]

Agreed. Steve Nash having two MVP's is a joke. He truly deserves 1 and that was the year he didn't win it.:hammerhead:

Shaquille O'neal the league's most dominate player only has 1, when he should have at least 3. O'neal should have won it in 99, and 01.

If Malone had 2 MVPs then Hakeem and Barkley should have alteast 3

Cause they where BOTH BETTER THAN Malone.

[Big#50]

**** numbers. My eyes said Charles was the better player. My eyes said Charles was one of the greatest to play. My eyes also said Charles should have played better D.

[Round Mound]

**** numbers. My eyes said Charles was the better player. My eyes said Charles was one of the greatest to play. My eyes also said Charles should have played better D.

Charles was lazy on defense but when he played Hard D he was good. Good enough to be in the Top 7th Defensive Rating. Malone was a Better Post Defender not like he was WAY BETTER but He was.

Everything Else, Everythinbg.... Barkley was Better than Malone, especially in clutch situations where Malone shot 46% For his Career in the Play-Offs and Only Shot above 50% for 2 in 19 play-offs

I don`t hate Malone i just hate kiddos that saw the NBA from 96 on

They missed the heatlhy Barkley.

[Round Mound]

**** numbers. My eyes said Charles was the better player. My eyes said Charles was one of the greatest to play. My eyes also said Charles should have played better D.

Agreed

[Borat]

A few things, from an unbiased PoV.

Barkley played like a small forward. But he was strong and a great rebounder/leaper so he could play power forward. Although he didn't really guard any position at an above average level.

Malone was a prototypical 4. He was phenomonal at accumulating points. He actually also had great passing and ball handling skills in general. He was a good rebounder. As his career matured his defence became extremely good. Elite. All great fundamentals and below the rim type D.

At their absolute peak, Barkley was a better player. But not by much.

As a career, Malone sh!ts on Barkley. Malone worked his a$$ to the bone to stay in shape and not miss games.
Charles got injuries, and being out of shape did not help this. Karl was twice as professional as Barkley.
Malone also had a bearable personality and was compatible with team mates. which helps. Charles was a jerk and probably still is. Malone had his troubles as a teenager, but he grew older as he matured. Barkley is still a kid to this day.

I'd draft Malone over him knowing how these people progressed.

[Round Mound]

A few things, from an unbiased PoV.

Barkley played like a small forward. But he was strong and a great rebounder/leaper so he could play power forward. Although he didn't really guard any position at an above average level.

Malone was a prototypical 4. He was phenomonal at accumulating points. He actually also had great passing and ball handling skills in general. He was a good rebounder. As his career matured his defence became extremely good. Elite. All great fundamentals and below the rim type D.

At their absolute peak, Barkley was a better player. But not by much.

As a career, Malone sh!ts on Barkley. Malone worked his a$$ to the bone to stay in shape and not miss games.
Charles got injuries, and being out of shape did not help this. Karl was twice as professional as Barkley.
Malone also had a bearable personality and was compatible with team mates. which helps. Charles was a jerk and probably still is. Malone had his troubles as a teenager, but he grew older as he matured. Barkley is still a kid to this day.

I'd draft Malone over him knowing how these people progressed.

Barkley was a Better Total Player than Malone none of this Longevity crap again :no: .:facepalm

Barkley when both where healthy and prime not Only Outplayed Him But Had a Higher PER, EFF, Plus/Minus, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, OWS, WS, WS Per 48 Minutes

Its only from 1995-96 on that Malone was Better and thats when they where closing on 33 years old.

So Barkley was Better for 80% of his Career which was shorter than Malones because he had worked so hard with nobodies from 86-92 while Malone had a The Top Shot Blokcer and Rim Protector (who could also Rebound 8-9 per game) in Eaton and was part of a System Designed by Sloan and Run By Stockton to Score easy buckets with the GOAT Pure Creator Ever.

Barkley was constatly bac kinjured like Bird and destroyed his knees 97 on.

So who gives a **** if he was lazier. He was a Stud and was just Better.

You say Malone was Mature? He knocked up a Teen Ager and Never Was There For His Baby Girl for Years.

Charles is funny becaus he always was and also he was hated more than Malone because he was smaller, talked trash and backed up. Malone never did back up anything because he fell shorter in big games

Charles Barkley was a Total Better Player than Karl. He could Do Morte Things and Dominated.

Malone shot 50% TWICE for His 19 Year Play-Off Career in the Play-offs. And a Total of 46%: SF or Guard Efficiency while Barkley dominated Play-Off Games on his OWN.

Charles was Better, Simple and Fact

[Round Mound]

A few things, from an unbiased PoV.

Barkley played like a small forward. But he was strong and a great rebounder/leaper so he could play power forward. Although he didn't really guard any position at an above average level.

Malone was a prototypical 4. He was phenomonal at accumulating points. He actually also had great passing and ball handling skills in general. He was a good rebounder. As his career matured his defence became extremely good. Elite. All great fundamentals and below the rim type D.

At their absolute peak, Barkley was a better player. But not by much.

As a career, Malone sh!ts on Barkley. Malone worked his a$$ to the bone to stay in shape and not miss games.
Charles got injuries, and being out of shape did not help this. Karl was twice as professional as Barkley.
Malone also had a bearable personality and was compatible with team mates. which helps. Charles was a jerk and probably still is. Malone had his troubles as a teenager, but he grew older as he matured. Barkley is still a kid to this day.

I'd draft Malone over him knowing how these people progressed.

Barkley was a Better Total Player than Malone none of this Longevity crap again :no: .:facepalm

Barkley when both where healthy and prime not Only Outplayed Him But Had a Higher PER, EFF, Plus/Minus, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, OWS, WS, WS Per 48 Minutes

Its only from 1995-96 on that Malone was Better and thats when they where closing on 33 years old.

So Barkley was Better for 80% of his Career which was shorter than Malones because he had worked so hard with nobodies from 86-92 while Malone had a The Top Shot Blokcer and Rim Protector (who could also Rebound 8-9 per game) in Eaton and was part of a System Designed by Sloan and Run By Stockton to Score easy buckets with the GOAT Pure Creator Ever.

Barkley was constatly bac kinjured like Bird and destroyed his knees 97 on.

So who gives a **** if he was lazier. He was a Stud and was just Better.

You say Malone was Mature? He knocked up a Teen Ager and Never Was There For His Baby Girl for Years.

Charles is funny becaus he always was and also he was hated more than Malone because he was smaller, talked trash and backed up. Malone never did back up anything because he fell shorter in big games

Charles Barkley was a Total Better Player than Karl. He could Do Morte Things and Dominated.

Malone shot 50% TWICE for His 19 Year Play-Off Career in the Play-offs. And a Total of 46%: SF or Guard Efficiency while Barkley dominated Play-Off Games on his OWN.

Are We Going to Act that when Bryant Retires he will Go Past MJ as a Total Point Player for Longevity? :oldlol: :rolleyes: :blah

Was He Better? NEVER!

Same thing with Charles vs Malone. Malone had longevity Barkle has the Better Resume Per Game and was Clutcher in the Play-Offs.

[Smoke117]

This one thred saying Malone > Barkley has to be one of the funniest threads ever

No way Malone was Better. He was never as Efficient Scorer, Post Season Clutch Player or Over All Around Player Barkley was

If you wan`t to do a Head to Head Analysis then do it when Barkley was healthy that is till 1995

Finally there are also the numbers from the 1985-86 season in favor or Barkley but here is the one that destroyed Malone hommers.

BARKLEY VS MALONE (PRIMES)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

Ages 23 to 32: Seasons 1986-87 to 1995-96 as Focal Scorers and Players.

Total of 26 Games: ages 23 to 32

They Played 11 More Games: ages 33-36: When Barkley Was a Role Player, 2nd Fiddle and 2nd-3rd Scoring Option

*Excluding the 1985-86 Season because the Stats aren`t found for that season: both Barkley and Malone where age 22
*BTW Barkley and Malone are te same age:

Malone came to the NBA at age 22 (1985-86)
Barkley came to the NBA At age 21 (1984-85)

*Including Barkley`s Injury In 1993-94 and the fact he was set to retire after the 1994-95 season.

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Time Played:

Barkley

966 MPG/ 26 games

37.2 MPG

Malone

983 MPG /26 games

37.8 MPG

*Malone Played More

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Scoring Efficiency

Charles Barkley

204 FGs / 399 FGAs
594 Pts / 26

22.8 PPG

(15.3 FGAs PG *Shooting Less)

51.13% FG


Karl Malone

231 FGs / 465 FGAs
645 Pts/ 26 games

24.8 PPG

(17.9 FGAs PG *Shooting More)

49.67% FG

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*Including 2-Point FG% (A PFs Inside Scoring Efficiency Job)


Barkley: 67 Three-Point FGAs
Barkley: 20 Three-Point FGs

Barkley: 399 - 67 = 332 Two-Point FGAs
Barkley: 204 - 20 = 184 Two-Point FGs

Barkley Shot: 55.42% Two-Point FG against Malone

Malone: 15 Three-Point FGAs
Maloe: 4 Three Point FGs

Malone

465 - 15 = 450 Two Point FGAs
231 - 4 = 227 Two-Point FGs

Malone Shot 50.44% Two-Point FG against Barkley

*Barkley Shot 5% Better than Malone Inside. That`s like a Player Shooting 45% against one and the other Shooting 50% against that one....

*Malone Played More and Shot Less Effective

*Malone had THE GREATEST PASSER AND GAME CREATING POINT GUARD to DESIGN HIS SCORING - JOHN STOCKTON

Barkley was the Superior Scorer against Malone

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Rebounding:

Barkley

262 / 26 games

10.1 RPG

Malone

248 / 26 games

9.5 RPG

Barkley was the Superior Rebounder against Malone

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Assists:

Barkley

105 / 26 games

4.0 APG

Malone

70 / 26 games

2.7 APG

*Barkely was the Way Better Assiter than Malone and Not To Forget Barkley was Doubled More than Malone

*Barkley was Also the Better Game Creator because he had to BE THE SECOND LEAD GAME CREATOR after his Point Guard for Most of his Prime

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Blocks:

Barkley

16 / 26 games

0.62 BPG

Malone

20 / 26 games

0.77 BPG

*Malone Blocked Better than Barkley when facing him but we all know who was the Better Shot Blocker (Barkley)

*Not to Forget Karl Malone Had Way Better Defensive Help with Thurl Baily (could guard SFs and PFs, was quick-athletic-agil) and ofcourse

THEE BEST INTERIOR DEFENDER AND SHOT BLOCKER AND OVERAL ONE OF THE BEST DEFENDERS IN THE LATE 80s-EARLY 90s:

MARK EATON for ......PAINT DEFENDING HELP

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eatonma01.html

Defensive Rating

1982-83 NBA 97.8 (10)
1984-85 NBA 96.5 (1)
1985-86 NBA 100.0 (5)
1986-87 NBA 100.2 (2)
1987-88 NBA 100.7 (2)
1988-89 NBA 97.7 (2)
1989-90 NBA 102.4 (9)
1991-92 NBA 102.5 (10)


Blocks Per Game

1982-83 NBA 3.4 (3)
1983-84 NBA 4.3 (1)
1984-85 NBA 5.6 (1)
1985-86 NBA 4.6 (2)
1986-87 NBA 4.1 (1)
1987-88 NBA 3.7 (1)
1988-89 NBA 3.8 (2)
1989-90 NBA 2.5 (6)
1990-91 NBA 2.4 (7)
1991-92 NBA 2.5 (9)
Career NBA 3.5 (1)
Career 3.5 (1)

Block Pct

1982-83 NBA 9.2 (1)
1983-84 NBA 8.5 (1)
1984-85 NBA 8.7 (1)
1985-86 NBA 8.1 (2)
1986-87 NBA 7.4 (2)
1987-88 NBA 6.4 (3)
1988-89 NBA 6.5 (2)
1989-90 NBA 5.5 (6)
1991-92 NBA 6.2 (4)
Career NBA 6.9 (5)
Career 6.9 (5)

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Steals:

Barkley

44/ 26 games

SPG: 1.7 SPG

Malone

34/ 26 games

1.3 SPG

*Barkley was the Better Floor Defender than Malone and Yes We Know Who Was the Better Stealer (Barkley)

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Turn Overs:

Barkley

89/26

3.4 TOV PG

Malone

78/ 26

3.0 TOV PG

*Ofcourse Malone had Less Turn Overs...His Job Was to Wait for Stockton to Design Him the Pick and Roll or Fast Break Pass while he had to do ZERO GAME CREATING with THE BEST PASSER OF ALL TIME LEADING, a SG and a SF that Had THE SECOND AND THIRD GAME CREATING JOB

*Barkley`s Job Was To Do Everything from The PF Spot from 1986 to 1992

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Personal Fouls:

Barkley

95/26 games

3.7 PF

Malone

93/26 games

3.6 PF

*Barkley fouled a bit more but obviously Malone never had to Guard Barkley as much as he had to Guard him because BARKLEY WAS A MISSMATCH so there was usually 3 PLAYERS ROTATING ON HIM, including Malone

*It was to Prevent Karl Malone (Their Best Scorer, Rebounder and One of the Best Defenders) from Fouling Out

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FT Shooting:


*Barkley had the Edge FT Shooting against Malone but We All Know Who Was the Better FT Shooter (Malone)

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Dedicated to All Those Idiots Who Base The Head to Head Matchups After Their Primes from Ages 33-36: after Barkley left to Houston as a 2nd-3rd Focal Scorer and 2nd Fiddle with a Dead Back (Like Bird), Knee Injuries and Overweight...

Insead of Their Primes ages 23-32 (missing ages 22)

DON`T EVER UNDERRATE BARKLEY AGAIN!
I'm sure you think so. You're not a particularly bad poster RoundMound but when it comes to Charles Barkley someone could come up with the most rational legitimate argument and you would debunk it when it comes to Chuck so what is really the point?

[RRR3]

Barkley was a Better Total Player than Malone none of this Longevity crap again :no: .:facepalm

Barkley when both where healthy and prime not Only Outplayed Him But Had a Higher PER, EFF, Plus/Minus, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, OWS, WS, WS Per 48 Minutes

Its only from 1995-96 on that Malone was Better and thats when they where closing on 33 years old.

So Barkley was Better for 80% of his Career which was shorter than Malones because he had worked so hard with nobodies from 86-92 while Malone had a The Top Shot Blokcer and Rim Protector (who could also Rebound 8-9 per game) in Eaton and was part of a System Designed by Sloan and Run By Stockton to Score easy buckets with the GOAT Pure Creator Ever.

Barkley was constatly bac kinjured like Bird and destroyed his knees 97 on.

So who gives a **** if he was lazier. He was a Stud and was just Better.

You say Malone was Mature? He knocked up a Teen Ager and Never Was There For His Baby Girl for Years.

Charles is funny becaus he always was and also he was hated more than Malone because he was smaller, talked trash and backed up. Malone never did back up anything because he fell shorter in big games

Charles Barkley was a Total Better Player than Karl. He could Do Morte Things and Dominated.

Malone shot 50% TWICE for His 19 Year Play-Off Career in the Play-offs. And a Total of 46%: SF or Guard Efficiency while Barkley dominated Play-Off Games on his OWN.

Are We Going to Act that when Bryant Retires he will Go Past MJ as a Total Point Player for Longevity? :oldlol: :rolleyes: :blah

Was He Better? NEVER!

Same thing with Charles vs Malone. Malone had longevity Barkle has the Better Resume Per Game and was Clutcher in the Play-Offs.

What the hell that's not even a stat :wtf:

[Round Mound]

I'm sure you think so. You're not a particularly bad poster RoundMound but when it comes to Charles Barkley someone could come up with the most rational legitimate argument and you would debunk it when it comes to Chuck so what is really the point?

I am rational enough because i was also a Malone fan when young but i did see them before 1996-97 and Barkley was Better. Even Better in his Phily Days.

I just find info that prooves who was the more dominant and efficient player

Thats All ...Greetings

[Reggie43]

Barkley was a Better Total Player than Malone none of this Longevity crap again :no: .:facepalm

Barkley when both where healthy and prime not Only Outplayed Him But Had a Higher PER, EFF, Plus/Minus, Shot Made/Missed Diferential, OWS, WS, WS Per 48 Minutes

Its only from 1995-96 on that Malone was Better and thats when they where closing on 33 years old.

So Barkley was Better for 80% of his Career which was shorter than Malones because he had worked so hard with nobodies from 86-92 while Malone had a The Top Shot Blokcer and Rim Protector (who could also Rebound 8-9 per game) in Eaton and was part of a System Designed by Sloan and Run By Stockton to Score easy buckets with the GOAT Pure Creator Ever.

Barkley was constatly bac kinjured like Bird and destroyed his knees 97 on.

So who gives a **** if he was lazier. He was a Stud and was just Better.

You say Malone was Mature? He knocked up a Teen Ager and Never Was There For His Baby Girl for Years.

Charles is funny becaus he always was and also he was hated more than Malone because he was smaller, talked trash and backed up. Malone never did back up anything because he fell shorter in big games

Charles Barkley was a Total Better Player than Karl. He could Do Morte Things and Dominated.

Malone shot 50% TWICE for His 19 Year Play-Off Career in the Play-offs. And a Total of 46%: SF or Guard Efficiency while Barkley dominated Play-Off Games on his OWN.

Are We Going to Act that when Bryant Retires he will Go Past MJ as a Total Point Player for Longevity? :oldlol: :rolleyes: :blah

Was He Better? NEVER!

Same thing with Charles vs Malone. Malone had longevity Barkle has the Better Resume Per Game and was Clutcher in the Play-Offs.


So you think that the difference between Charles and Karl is the same as the difference between Michael and Kobe?

[Round Mound]

So you think that the difference between Charles and Karl is the same as the difference between Michael and Kobe?

From 85-95 it was a difference easy to see not the largest but visible. After that it was Malone`s Turn and Barkley couldnt play like before sadly.

Michael and Kobe? Skill Wise Not So Much but it was MJ`s Athletic Capacity, Strength, Able to Hang, Potence, Leap, Agility, Big Hands and Quickness thats sets him apart from MJ especially for Mid Range Post Up Shots, Attacking the Rim and Defense where Jordan was much Better at.

[Reggie43]

A few things, from an unbiased PoV.

Barkley played like a small forward. But he was strong and a great rebounder/leaper so he could play power forward. Although he didn't really guard any position at an above average level.

Malone was a prototypical 4. He was phenomonal at accumulating points. He actually also had great passing and ball handling skills in general. He was a good rebounder. As his career matured his defence became extremely good. Elite. All great fundamentals and below the rim type D.

At their absolute peak, Barkley was a better player. But not by much.

As a career, Malone sh!ts on Barkley. Malone worked his a$$ to the bone to stay in shape and not miss games.
Charles got injuries, and being out of shape did not help this. Karl was twice as professional as Barkley.
Malone also had a bearable personality and was compatible with team mates. which helps. Charles was a jerk and probably still is. Malone had his troubles as a teenager, but he grew older as he matured. Barkley is still a kid to this day.

I'd draft Malone over him knowing how these people progressed.

Nice post :applause:

[Round Mound]

Barkley`s Offensive Game was not that of a SF but only in Terms of Catch and Finish (which Malone was the Best at) but was more a Like a Guard-Center.

He would approach you like a Guard.

Then Turn To One Side Use is Butt and Punished You to the Rim for Spins, Post Fadeways, Or Two Handed Dunks.

He could also play some SF but his Game was more in the Post

[SuperPippen]

Your posts remind me of a bag of Skittles.

[Smoke117]

I am rational enough because i was also a Malone fan when young but i did see them before 1996-97 and Barkley was Better. Even Better in his Phily Days.

I just find info that prooves who was the more dominant and efficient player

Thats All ...Greetings

Yeah, you are the picture of objectively bud, keep telling yourself that.

[knickswin]

Barkley`s Offensive Game was not that of a SF but only in Terms of Catch and Finish (which Malone was the Best at) but was more a Like a Guard-Center.

He would approach you like a Guard.

Then Turn To One Side Use is Butt and Punished You to the Rim for Spins, Post Fadeways, Or Two Handed Dunks.

He could also play some SF but his Game was more in the Post

Yeah, Barkley definitely played big in some ways and small in others. He was a beast in the post, but he also had very good handle for a PF. I would say that Barkley played more like a "big man" than Malone did because he was so much better at getting his through post-ups.

[knickswin]

Yeah, you are the picture of objectively bud, keep telling yourself that.

he's really not that biased. He doesn't try to prove Barkley was the GOAT or anything. He just wants to call attention to his favorite player, and I agree with him that Barkley gets somewhat overlooked because of his lack of a ring. I actually think Barkley has a very strong case for best player who never won a ring.

[DaPerceive]

he's really not that biased. He doesn't try to prove Barkley was the GOAT or anything. He just wants to call attention to his favorite player, and I agree with him that Barkley gets somewhat overlooked because of his lack of a ring. I actually think Barkley has a very strong case for best player who never won a ring.
Really?

Because I would say this is pretty biased.....



Barkley is Indeed A TOP 10 ALL TIME PLAYER
Barkley is not top 10 player of all-time. As a matter of fact he is not even top 15.

[ZaaaaaH]

If Malone had 2 MVPs then Hakeem and Barkley should have alteast 3

Cause they where BOTH BETTER THAN Malone.


Nope its not possible since their is a guy name MJ

[Borat]

I actually think Barkley has a very strong case for best player who never won a ring.

No matter how much some might try, dont let them brainwash you.

Barkley didn't have a better career than Malone. Malone was a better player.

If Barkley is better than Malone, Nique is better than Baylor.

Malone scored way better than Barkley, and he played way better D than Barkley. Barkley maybe a season or 2 where he was slightly better than Karl. The rest Karl owned.

And h2h it was just embarrassing for Charles, bar a few games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=malonka01&p2=barklch01

[Round Mound]

No matter how much some might try, dont let them brainwash you.

Barkley didn't have a better career than Malone. Malone was a better player.

If Barkley is better than Malone, Nique is better than Baylor.

Malone scored way better than Barkley, and he played way better D than Barkley. Barkley maybe a season or 2 where he was slightly better than Karl. The rest Karl owned.

And h2h it was just embarrassing for Charles, bar a few games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=malonka01&p2=barklch01

:facepalm :no:

Malone got abused by Barkley when both where healthy.Its not me saying this Bill Walton also mentioned it in the 1997 WCFs "Barkley usted to Dominate Malone now he Can Hardly Dunk"

U are using the whole Head to Head when they where ages 33 and beyoned for Chucks last 4-5 years in the League

Instead use the whole 1st 10-11 years in the league where Barkley outplayed Malone. Both Healthy and Prime

Barkley has this on Malone

- Could Score More Efficiently (High FG%)
- Domianted the 2-Point Region like none but Shaq
- Could Score in More Ways
- Was A Better Post Up Player
- Better Mid Range Shooter
- Better Off the Ball Scorer 1 on 1
- Could Finish While Dribble
- Better Rebounder
- Better Creator and Passer
- Better Floor Defender
- Better Stealer
- Better Clutch Performer

etc Total Better Player.

Malone had 2 things over Barkley: Post Defense and FT Shooting

Thats It.

Longevity Does Not = Better Player

If so when Kobe Passes Jordan on the All Time List of Scoring, he is going to be seen for Kiddos as a Better Player

WOW SHE SCORED MORE YEARS PFFFF

Malone had nothing on Prime Barkley

:violin:

[knickswin]

Really?

Because I would say this is pretty biased.....


Barkley is not top 10 player of all-time. As a matter of fact he is not even top 15.

Well, I don't think Barkley was a top 10 player, but depending on what you value, he might have a case. I mean, most people, including myself, value rings and stuff like that, but if you're just looking at scoring potency and offensive ability he's all-time good. He was an incredible force for much of his career . . .

[Round Mound]

All Broken Down Stats ALSO SUGGEST BARKLEY WAS BETTER

INFACT, CLEAR EVIDENCE TOO

[Round Mound]

Well, I don't think Barkley was a top 10 player, but depending on what you value, he might have a case. I mean, most people, including myself, value rings and stuff like that, but if you're just looking at scoring potency and offensive ability he's all-time good. He was an incredible force for much of his career . . .

Its funny that Karl Malone shot over 50% in the Play-Offs for ONLY 2 times of his 19 play-off runs while having a Whole System Desigend For him by the GOAT CREATOR AND PASSER JOHN STOCKTON and Sloan. He wasn`t clutch at all as a scorer. He shot more and was less efficient than Barkley

Won`t even go into the 2-Point Region: where Barkley performed in the level and vain of Shaq

While Recieving Way More Double Teams than Malone ever Faced

Barkley had better Total Skills, Including Shot Blocking Ability and Total Dominance for the most 30-20 Games in 80s and 90s. Barkley`s last year somewhat healthy was 1995.

[Borat]

:facepalm :no:

Malone got abused by Barkley when both where healthy.Its not me saying this Bill Walton also mentioned it in the 1997 WCFs "Barkley usted to Dominate Malone now he Can Hardly Dunk"

U are using the whole Head to Head when they where ages 33 and beyoned for Chucks last 4-5 years in the League

Instead use the whole 1st 10-11 years in the league where Barkley outplayed Malone. Both Healthy and Prime

Barkley has this on Malone

- Could Score More Efficiently (High FG%)
- Domianted the 2-Point Region like none but Shaq
- Could Score in More Ways
- Was A Better Post Up Player
- Better Mid Range Shooter
- Better Off the Ball Scorer 1 on 1
- Could Finish While Dribble
- Better Rebounder
- Better Creator and Passer
- Better Floor Defender
- Better Stealer
- Better Clutch Performer

etc Total Better Player.

Malone had 2 things over Barkley: Post Defense and FT Shooting

Thats It.

Longevity Does Not = Better Player

If so when Kobe Passes Jordan on the All Time List of Scoring, he is going to be seen for Kiddos as a Better Player

WOW SHE SCORED MORE YEARS PFFFF

Malone had nothing on Prime Barkley

:violin:

BS read the individual game boxscores and watch the tapes.

Malone > Barkley

2 things? GTFO

how the heck did Malone completely outperform him over an entire career with 2 things better.

You talk out your arse, and the teenagers of ISH are getting brainswashed with BS.

[Jacks3]

You're referencing the same stats that say Dantley, Dirk>Bird, Stockton>>Thomas, Robinson>>Hakeem, etc etc. :facepalm

[Round Mound]

Really?

Because I would say this is pretty biased.....


Barkley is not top 10 player of all-time. As a matter of fact he is not even top 15.

All Broken Down Stats Suggest He Is

From the 80s and 90s only Hakeem and MJ where Better. Between 1987 and 1993 Barkley was Better than ANYONE NOT NAMED JORDAN

EEF: TOP 10 ALL TIME
PER: TOP 11 AND 10 ALL TIME
PLUS/MINUS: TOP 5 ALL TIME
SHOT MADE/MISSED DIGFERENTIAL: TOP 4 ALL TIME
WS PER 48 MINUTES: TOP 8 ALL TIME

Malone Always Appears Next to Stockton in his Broken Down Stats. I wonder why? :facepalm :rolleyes: :violin:

[Borat]

all these magical stats and lists of skills mean squat, they are just made up garbage.

Malone outperformed him over an entire career. check the real stats, watch the games you barkley licker.

Malone = Greatest 4 ever.
Barkley = 2nd greatest.

(Duncan's a center)

[Borat]

All Broken Down Stats Suggest He Is

From the 80s and 90s only Hakeem and MJ where Better. Between 1987 and 1993 Barkley was Better than ANYONE NOT NAMED JORDAN

EEF: TOP 10 ALL TIME
PER: TOP 11 AND 10 ALL TIME
PLUS/MINUS: TOP 5 ALL TIME
SHOT MADE/MISSED DIGFERENTIAL: TOP 4 ALL TIME
WS PER 48 MINUTES: TOP 8 ALL TIME

Malone Always Appears Next to Stockton in his Broken Down Stats. I wonder why? :facepalm :rolleyes: :violin:

HOGWASH BRAINWASHING BS POOPY TALK

[Round Mound]

BS read the individual game boxscores and watch the tapes.

Malone > Barkley

2 things? GTFO

how the heck did Malone completely outperform him over an entire career with 2 things better.

You talk out your arse, and the teenagers of ISH are getting brainswashed with BS.

:facepalm :no:

Malone had nothing on Barkley when Both Where Healthy. BOTH.

Even Malone said this "When Charles Wants To...He Can Do What Ever We Wants in The Game"

Malone shot 46% FG for his Play-Offs (in the level of a SG). Barkley shot 51%

2-Point Region:

Malone for 24.7 PPG shot 52% FG, Barkley shot 58.13% for 22 PPG

Play-Offs

Malone shot 47% FG for his 24.8 PPG, Barkley shot 55.13% for 23 PPG

Malone shot More and Was Less Efficient.

Rebounding? Barkley

Creating? Barkley

Assisting? Barkley

Stealing? Barkley

Shot Blocking? Barkley

Play-Off Highs? Barkley

Skills? Barkley

Big 30-20 Games? Barkley

FT Shooting? Malone and a Bette Post Defender, Not a Dominant One.

Thats it kiddo :sleeping

[Round Mound]

all these magical stats and lists of skills mean squat, they are just made up garbage.

Malone outperformed him over an entire career. check the real stats, watch the games you barkley licker.

Malone = Greatest 4 ever.
Barkley = 2nd greatest.

(Duncan's a center)

:facepalm
:hammerhead:

Malone outperformed Barkley when Barkley was done dummy

That is Malone outperformed Barkley for 20% of their Careers: Ages 32-36

Now Ages 22-31 Barkley Totally destroyed Malone (Walton agrees too)

Malone was made By Sloan and Stockton

Barkley made himself Alone a Great Player

[Big#50]

No matter how much some might try, dont let them brainwash you.

Barkley didn't have a better career than Malone. Malone was a better player.

If Barkley is better than Malone, Nique is better than Baylor.

Malone scored way better than Barkley, and he played way better D than Barkley. Barkley maybe a season or 2 where he was slightly better than Karl. The rest Karl owned.

And h2h it was just embarrassing for Charles, bar a few games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=malonka01&p2=barklch01
Malone's D consisted of him slapping down at the ball. Charles was the superior player. Malone was a mental midget. He used his intimidation on players that he knew wouldn't fight back. When shit got tough for him he crumbled. See the Martin incident. Malone relied on his jumper too much. Charles was a better one on one player. He was a beter shooter. Better playmaker. This forum is really ignorant when it comes to Charles. He is a top 10 player ever. Had he won a ring there would be no doubt about it. You guys really don't know how good he was. ****ing shame. Malone was a system player. Had the best passing pg ever. Malone is ****ing overrated. **** that guy.

[Borat]

:facepalm
:hammerhead:

Malone outperformed Barkley when Barkley was done dummy

That is Malone outperformed Barkley for 20% of their Careers: Ages 32-36

Now Ages 22-31 Barkley Totally destroyed Malone (Walton agrees too)

Malone was made By Sloan and Stockton

Barkley made himself Alone a Great Player

read the boxscores and watch teh tapes dummy at any point of their careers

[D.J.]

For the last time, Sir Charles:


Prime Barkley > Prime Malone

Malone's career > Barkley's career

[Borat]

For the last time, Sir Charles:


Prime Barkley > Prime Malone



Very arguable. He might have played 1-2 better seasons than him. Arguably.

[Big#50]

read the boxscores and watch teh tapes dummy at any point of their careers
Barkley was an excellent shot blocker early in his career. He used to block a lot of dunks. He had a season of 14.5 rebounds. Had seasons of 25ppg on 60%, 28ppg on 59%, he had some more like that, too lazy to look. Barkley had more talent than Malone.

[D.J.]

Very arguable. He might have played 1-2 better seasons than him. Arguably.


It's not really that debatable. Prime Barkley was just as good a scorer, more efficient, a better rebounder, a better passer, and just as good a defender when he didn't take plays off. Barkley from 1988-1990 and 1993 was better than Malone at any point in his career.

[Borat]

Barkley was an excellent shot blocker early in his career. He used to block a lot of dunks. He had a season of 14.5 rebounds. Had seasons of 25ppg on 60%, 28ppg on 59%, he had some more like that, too lazy to look. Barkley had more talent than Malone.

I'm not denying he had more talent. Sebastian Telfair has more talent than Andre Miller. means squat, its what u produce, its how hard you work, its how you play the game.

He was NEVER an excellent shot blocker. He was not a better shot blocker than Wade at any time in his career. he made some spectacular blocks and had some season where he was an above average blocker, but never excellent. Malone still had seasons of 56% and 55%.
In 1990 Malone averaged 31/11/3 on 56% with 1.5 steals.

[Borat]

It's not really that debatable. Prime Barkley was just as good a scorer, more efficient, a better rebounder, a better passer, and just as good a defender when he didn't take plays off. Barkley from 1988-1990 and 1993 was better than Malone at any point in his career.

Simply false.

Barkley was never as good as a scorer. He was a slightly better rebounder in a few seasons, he averaged 1 more rpg for the career.
Charles was a more creative passer, but Malone was a fantastic passer as a 4. and defence?????? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Malone was a great to elite defender, Barkley moped around on D 50% of teh time. even when he tried he wasnt as good.
93 and 88. thats it. and it was close. although Malone had him h2h in 88 and it was pretty even in 93.

[D.J.]

In 1990 Malone averaged 31/11/3 on 56% with 1.5 steals.


Barkley that same year put up 25/11.5/4 on 60% and 1.9 steals. Barkley also did that on less than 15 shots a game and getting to the line over 9 times a game. Malone attempted 5 more shots a game.

[Borat]

Barkley that same year put up 25/11.5/4 on 60% and 1.9 steals. Barkley also did that on less than 15 shots a game and getting to the line over 9 times a game. Malone attempted 5 more shots a game.

so not only are Malones stats better, he actaully played better too if you watched the NBA then, which you obviously didnt.

[Big#50]

so not only are Malones stats better, he actaully played better too if you watched the NBA then, which you obviously didnt.
No ****ing way. For most of Malone's career he was simply viewed as Stocktons PnR partner. He was known as a scorer and that was it.

[D.J.]

Barkley was never as good as a scorer.


:oldlol: He scored pretty close to the same amount of points as Malone and did so on significantly better shooting percentages and on fewer shot attempts.



He was a slightly better rebounder in a few seasons, he averaged 1 more rpg for the career.


Slightly? Malone peaked at 12 RPG and never averaged more than that. He averaged 10 for his career. Barkley topped that 6 times and peaked at 14.6. He averaged over a rebound and a half a game more than Malone over his career.



Charles was a more creative passer, but Malone was a fantastic passer


Barkley was still the better passer.



as a 4. and defence?????? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Malone was a great to elite defender, Barkley moped around on D 50% of teh time. even when he tried he wasnt as good.


I already said Barkley was lazy. He was certainly good when he put the effort in.



93 and 88. thats it. and it was close. although Malone had him h2h in 88 and it was pretty even in 93.


Barkley was better by a clear margin. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[D.J.]

so not only are Malones stats better, he actaully played better too if you watched the NBA then, which you obviously didnt.


Are you f*cking blind? :roll: He grabbed more rebounds, averaged more assists, steals, shot a higher percentage, and did so on 5 fewer shots. And I did watch the games. I'm old enough to remember. Barkley in his prime > Malone in his prime.

[DaPerceive]

Does anyone find these features impressive by these two?

Charles Barkley averaged double-figures in rebounding for 15+ seasons. From his 2nd season to his last season in the league.

Karl Malone made the All-NBA First Team for 11 consecutive seasons. From 1988-89 to 1998-1999.

[bdreason]

Barkley was undoubtedly a superior player in his prime.


Talking about their careers is a different story though.

[eliteballer]

It's not really that debatable. Prime Barkley was just as good a scorer, more efficient, a better rebounder, a better passer, and just as good a defender when he didn't take plays off
Barkley from 1988-1990 and 1993 was better than Malone at any point in his career.

Unbelievably stupid statement on so many levels:oldlol:

[JohnnySic]

Barkley = slightly higher peak

Malone = longer, better career

Take your pick. I've always leaned towards Malone.

PS - people should understand that for the bulk of his career, Barkley played small forward. That's what he mostly played as a Sixer. If you told me in '92 that he was a power forward, I'd have thought that you were being silly, because he wasn't thought of as one at the time. It wasn't until he got to Phoenix and got fat(ter) that he switched to the 4.

[D.J.]

Unbelievably stupid statement on so many levels:oldlol:


Unbelievably stupid post on so many levels. Announcers and analysts mentioned numerous times his defense was excellent when he put the effort in, which unfortunately was not a regular occurence.

[Round Mound]

Barkley = slightly higher peak

Malone = longer, better career

Take your pick. I've always leaned towards Malone.

PS - people should understand that for the bulk of his career, Barkley played small forward. That's what he mostly played as a Sixer. If you told me in '92 that he was a power forward, I'd have thought that you were being silly, because he wasn't thought of as one at the time. It wasn't until he got to Phoenix and got fat(ter) that he switched to the 4.

:facepalm :no:

Wrong Charles Played PF from 84-89. He played SF for the 1989-90 Season and the 1990-91 Season. Then again he switched to 4 in the 1992-93 season all the way towards his retirment in 2000.

[Round Mound]

[B]Not Only Did Barkley Outplay Karl Malone for 70% of Their Total 100% Head to Head Match Ups When HEALTHY and BOTH in Their PRIMES but he was THE TOTAL BETTER PLAYER

HEALTHY PRIME BARKLEY (before back and knee injuries) VS HEALTHY PRIME MALONE 1985-1985: ages 22-31

PLAYER COMPARISON:

Barkley

37 MPG (Playing Less Minutes)

22.7 PPG (14,6 FGAs PG only) on 55.5% FG (Way More Effective Scorer!)

11,3 RPG (More!)
3.8 APG (More!)
1.6 SPG (More!)
0.9 BPG (More!)
3.2 TOVs PG [COLOR="DarkRed"](Ofcourse! He Didn

[eliteballer]

Unbelievably stupid post on so many levels. Announcers and analysts mentioned numerous times his defense was excellent when he put the effort in, which unfortunately was not a regular occurence.

No ISHiot, you're trying to use "barkley was good on D when he tried" as an argument in favor when it makes him look WORSE. It just says he was lazy and inconsistent on one end.

[D.J.]

No ISHiot, you're trying to use "barkley was good on D when he tried" as an argument in favor when it makes him look WORSE. It just says he was lazy and inconsistent on one end.


A Kobe homer trying to sound intelligent. Priceless. :oldlol: And you just contradicted yourself. I said all along he was lazy. But I supposed NBA analysts and someone that's been watching the NBA religiously since 1986 don't know as much as you do.

[Bigsmoke]

NBA/ABA
Rank Player ORtg

1. Steve Kerr 122.06 (CG)
2. Reggie Miller 121.48 (SG)
3. Magic Johnson* 120.79 (PG-Point F)
4. John Stockton* 120.55 (PG)
5. Chris Paul 120.54 (PG)
6. Kiki Vandeweghe 119.49 (SF-SG)
7. Sidney Moncrief 119.40 (CG-PG)
8. Charles Barkley* 119.31 (PF


o yeah this is such an accurate list :rolleyes:

[Round Mound]

o yeah this is such an accurate list :rolleyes:

Ill give you some more insight

http://www.rootzoo.com/articles/view/NBA-Basketball/General/UBJSC-4-A-Basketball-Analytics-Primer_3549

Putting it together: Offensive Rating. By now, you're probably impatient for a number that tells us how efficient a player is overall with the possessions that he uses, and the answer comes in the form of Dean Oliver's Offensive Rating (OR). The formula is a bit complicated to reproduce here (I refer you to Oliver's excellent Basketball on Paper for its full derivation), but it suffices to say that Offensive Rating provides a rating of how many points a player scores per 100 possessions that he uses while on the floor. The league's typical rating has varied throughout history, but today stands at around 107.

The best OR belong to jump-shooting guards and, to a lesser extent, high-percentage post players. The career leaders are Steve Kerr (122.06), Reggie Miller (121.48), Magic Johnson (120.79), John Stockton (120.55), and Kiki Vandeweghe (119.49).


In general, the more possessions that a player uses, the lower we expect his OR to be, because player who use more possessions have to use more possessions in precarious situations.

If a player has a high career Usage Rate and a high OR, that indicates that he is a monster on offense. Magic Johnson falls into this category, as does Charles Barkley (119.31), Adran Dantley (118.40), the incomparable Michael Jordan (who, with the highest career Usage Rate, had a career OR of 117.97, the 13th best in history), and Dirk Nowitzki (117.80).

[DaPerceive]

So a stat that proves that Steve Kerr and Reggie Miller were better offensive players than Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley is suppose to be credible?

[Round Mound]

So a stat that proves that Steve Kerr and Reggie Miller were better offensive players than Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley is suppose to be credible?

The 2nd thing i put should be analyzed.

The other is raw the last one isn`t

For non superstars it gives u an idea of how they fit in a system

I am not comparing it to others because the info was for those dummies that said Malone was a Bette Offensive Player which he wasn`t

"Anyone Can Score...It They Shoot Often Enough...."

[Bigsmoke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-MqIIoc5r0&NR=1

ummm.... ok

[Round Mound]

ummm.... ok

:rolleyes: FUNNY VIDEO I DID NOT PUT :oldlol: :D

[Bigsmoke]

:rolleyes: FUNNY VIDEO I DID NOT PUT :oldlol: :D

you did not get the memo i see....

[heavensdevil]

wow, I thought I was a die-hard Barkley fan back then, but Round Mound takes the cake, interesting stuff.

[JohnnySic]

Wrong Charles Played PF from 84-89. He played SF for the 1989-90 Season and the 1990-91 Season. Then again he switched to 4 in the 1992-93 season all the way towards his retirment in 2000.
He often played the 3 opposite Cliff Robinson and Roy Hinson in the mid-80's...

[Round Mound]

He often played the 3 opposite Cliff Robinson and Roy Hinson in the mid-80's...

Height does not mean position. Barkley usually guarded the taller PFs and he was guarded by them or by Long Athletic SFs that where 6`11 example Thurl Bailey etc

They usually put 3 diferent players rotating on him per game do to fear of accumulation of fouls.

In the mid 80s he played more PF. He only played SF totally from 89-91

In the Suns he played PF most always.

Barkley was the biggest forward missmatch ever

[Round Mound]

:applause:

[winwin]

Barkley is a top 10 player of all-time

[Round Mound]

Barkley is a top 10 player of all-time

If you count rings he isn`t but all the brokwn down statistical evidence of impact and efficiency says he is

[JordanTime]

If you count rings he isn`t but all the brokwn down statistical evidence of impact and efficiency says he is

I'd say no.

But very close. I would have the following guys ahead of him.

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Hakeem
Shaquille O'neal
Magic Johnson
Lebron James
Oscar Roberston
Dwyane Wade

[Legends66NBA7]

I'd say no.

But very close. I would have the following guys ahead of him.

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Hakeem
Shaquille O'neal
Magic Johnson
Lebron James
Oscar Roberston
Dwyane Wade

Is that you're Top 10 ? Barkley @ 11 ?

[JordanTime]

Is that you're Top 10 ? Barkley @ 11 ?

nope, i was just naming 10 players i think are better than Barkley (rings aside.......... just peer peak dominance)

[Legends66NBA7]

nope, i was just naming 10 players i think are better than Barkley (rings aside.......... just peer peak dominance)

Oh alright.

[JordanTime]

Legends66NBA7, did you get my reply to your email yet?

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'd say no.

But very close. I would have the following guys ahead of him.

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Hakeem
Shaquille O'neal
Magic Johnson
Lebron James
Oscar Roberston
Dwyane Wade

another Jordan jocker with an obvious agenda

[Legends66NBA7]

Legends66NBA7, did you get my reply to your email yet?

No not yet. I'm searching.. Ah, I think i got it now.

[JordanTime]

another Jordan jocker with an obvious agenda
(rings aside.......... just peer peak dominance)

that was what my ranking was based on.

[DirtySanchez]

I think this is a great debate. Both great players from the same era and same positions. Honestly...I'd take Karl Malone in his prime. Just unstoppable at the 4. He also was in better shape and lasted longer IMO.

[Deuce Bigalow]

(rings aside.......... just peer peak dominance)

that was what my ranking was based on.

Kobe's peak is top 10

[Round Mound]

In almost every facet of the game Barkley was Better than Malone.

Name me another facet that Malone was Better than Barkley but Man to Man D in the Paint or FT Shooting?

There is nothing

Barkley was a Better Pure Scorer
Barkley was More Skilled, Could Handle the Ball in the Mid Range, Post Range or Go Coast to Coast
Barkley was a Better Mid Range Shooter (Malone was Good at that too but not better)
Barkley was a Better Post Player (just watch the games)
Barkley was a Better Rebounder
Barkley was a Better Creator and Assister
Barkley was a Better Floor Defender and Stealer
Barkley was a Better Shot Blocker
Barkley was a Better Clutch Player
Barkley enforeced Rule Change: 5 Second Back to the Basket Rule
Barjkley was the Most Doubled Mid Range and Post Player of his Era, Next to Shaq
Barkle was Called the Zone Buster: He created More Ilegal Defenses than Any other Player

Only Hakeem and Shaq have more 30 point and 20 Games than Barkley in the Play-Offs Barkley has More Per Game though. :pimp:

Barkley`s Statistical Brokwn Down Resume:

Top 11 and 10 All Time in PER
Top 10 All Time in EFF
Top 5 All TIme in +/- (Plus/Minus)
Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential
Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes

Jordan`is the only Player to Appear in the Top 10 in All These Broken Down Stats

To me Barkley is Top 10 Player Ever...Magic wasn`t Better he Played with Great Teams and Bird aswell

Barkley was a Better Individfual Player More Impact Per Game.
This is comming from the Biggest Bird Fan Ever.

To put Barkley in the Top 10 He needed a Ring

But as Broken Down Stats Develop Barkley will strangely appear in the Top 10 All Time aswell in most

1985-1995 Barkley = Best PF Ever

[Bigsmoke]

1985-1995 Barkley = Best PF Ever

lol @ 85-95 Barkley being better than 98-08 Duncan.

barkley got one MVP.... Duncan 2
Barkley could score a lot of points... so could duncan
Barkley could rebound a lot... so could Duncan
Barkley was a good passing PF.. so was Duncan
Barkley shot threes... who gives a ****?

Duncan is top 10 in total blocks... Barkley.... ummm.....
Duncan won titles.... Barkley....
Duncan is one of the best defenders to ever play this game... Barkley.......

Duncan > Barkley
stop trying to educate us with your stupidity.

[Asukal]

I agree. Barkley is better than Karl Malone. Best PF ever? That's debatable. :cheers:

[Human Error]

One thing that Barkely fans always overlook is his inability to play defense. Barkley was always a liability on defense. A huge one. Karl Malone was one of the best defenders in his position and so was/is Duncan. Barkley at 6-5, though played as hard as anyone, simply couldn't cover anybody around the rim area and it was truly frustrating for me who grew up watching a lot of Suns games with my 2 older brothers who both went to Arizona State University during Barkley's prime in Phoenix.

Tim Duncan >= Karl Malone > Dirk > Barkley for me.

[LJJ]

Kobe's peak is top 10

Lol right. 3rd best player of his era. And it's regarded as a weak era. He can't possibly be top 10.

[MiseryCityTexas]

i agree with the thread starter. charles was better.

[Round Mound]

I did not mention Duncan here and u mentiong him :rolleyes: :facepalm

Duncan was Great Post Defender and Shot Blocker but thats all he had on Barkley.

Barkley was Better than both Duncan and Malone at more things.

Oh, and He Not Only Outplayed Malone for 70% of their Meetings in 10-11 Years when he was Healthy but he outplayed Duncan at ages 34-36 overweight, back injured and knee busted in 8 games (4 which Hakeem did not play).

Barkley Is the Most Skilled PF Ever

[Round Mound]

:applause:

[Jacks3]

Lol right. 3rd best player of his era. And it's regarded as a weak era. He can't possibly be top 10.
LMAO @ this moron. :roll:

[Round Mound]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Not Only Did Barkley Outplay Karl Malone for 70% of Their Total 100% Head to Head Match Ups When HEALTHY and BOTH in Their PRIMES but he was THE TOTAL BETTER PLAYER

HEALTHY PRIME BARKLEY (before back and knee injuries) VS HEALTHY PRIME MALONE 1985-1985: ages 22-31

PLAYER COMPARISON:

Barkley

37 MPG (Playing Less Minutes)

22.7 PPG (14,6 FGAs PG only) on 55.5% FG (Way More Effective Scorer!)

11,3 RPG (More!)
3.8 APG (More!)
1.6 SPG (More!)
0.9 BPG (More!)
3.2 TOVs PG [COLOR="DarkRed"](Ofcourse! He Didn

[AussieSteve]

Comparison of Malone's 2 MVPs with Barkley's. First let's look at the top 5 in the 93 MVP..

1.Barkley
2.Hakeem
3.Jordan
4.Ewing
5.Dominique Wilkins

Note not only the names above, but the fact that all were in their primes (I'll concede that Wilkins was tail end). Also note... Where's Malone?

Barkley also won the most 1st place votes in 1990, but was robbed by biased minor place votes. Let's check the leader board that year.

1.(27 1st place votes) Magic
2.(38 1st place votes) Barkley
3. Jordan
4. Malone
5. Ewing

Again, all top 50 all time and all in their primes. And again, Barkley ahead of peak Jordan.

Now, let's look at the top 5 for Malone's two MVPs. Here's 1997...
1.Malone
2.Jordan(getting old now, not the Jordan that Barkley beat.)
3.Grant Hill
4.Tim Hardaway
5.Glen Rice

Yeah.. not quite the same league was it?

And 1999...
1.Malone
2.Alonzo Mourning (what!?)
3.Duncan (in his 2nd season)
4.Iverson (3rd season)
5.Kidd

Pffft... and all 5 of these guys got 1st place votes!! I'm sorry but Malone's MVPs mean squat.

From 1987 to 91, Barkley was legitimately in the the same conversation Magic and Jordan. People could and did mount solid cases for him as the best player in the league. Malone was NEVER at this level.

[Human Error]

Let's say Barkley was able to match Karl Malone's production for some time.

Karl Malone was one of the best defenders in his position and was able to legitimately anchor the defense, while Barkley was a huge liability on defense.

Malone is better if you are a basketball mind.

[Smoke117]

Let's say Barkley was able to match Karl Malone's production for some time.

Karl Malone was one of the best defenders in his position and was able to legitimately anchor the defense, while Barkley was a huge liability on defense.

Malone is better if you are a basketball mind.

Anchor the defense? No. He was never an anchor. The Jazz were built around a team effort in that regard and were never a particularly great defensive team anyway. He might have been the best defensive player...but to call him an anchor is silly as his impact wasn't close to that of a defensive anchor.

[Bigsmoke]

Peak? sure

career? no

[Bigsmoke]

Anchor the defense? No. He was never an anchor. The Jazz were built around a team effort in that regard and were never a particularly great defensive team anyway. He might have been the best defensive player...but to call him an anchor is silly as his impact wasn't close to that of a defensive anchor.

Mark Eaton and Greg Ostertag definitely helped

[Bigsmoke]

lol @ 85-95 Barkley being better than 98-08 Duncan.

barkley got one MVP.... Duncan 2
Barkley could score a lot of points... so could duncan
Barkley could rebound a lot... so could Duncan
Barkley was a good passing PF.. so was Duncan
Barkley shot threes... who gives a ****?

Duncan is top 10 in total blocks... Barkley.... ummm.....
Duncan won titles.... Barkley....
Duncan is one of the best defenders to ever play this game... Barkley.......

Duncan > Barkley
stop trying to educate us with your stupidity.

I liked how the OP completely ignored this :oldlol:

[bizil]

When it comes to scoring, passing, and rebounding as a package, Barkley is the best PF of all time! Plus he could swing to the SF AND EVEN play in a point forward capacity if needed. So peak wise, NO DOUBT I'm rolling with Barkley on this one! GOAT wise, Malone is the easy answer though.

When it comes to Duncan vs. Barkley, people gotta realize Timmy was like a dominant two way 7 ft. center playing the PF. Barkley was a PF whose secondary position was SF. So when people say Timmy was better than Charles, ITS MAINLY because a dominant interior center is the crown jewel (at least MVP wise) of NBA history.

[Round Mound]

[B]Malone an Anchor? :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :wtf: :no: Funny stuff we listen to sometimes in ish. The Only Anchor Malone had Was 7

[Round Mound]

:confusedshrug:

[resin_baller]

Meh, Barkley had a better peak, and almost anybody who watched them would agree with that. Anyone who watched their career would also agree that Barkley declined fast, while Malone had a work ethic that kept him near the top of his game for years.

[D.J.]

Meh, Barkley had a better peak, and almost anybody who watched them would agree with that. Anyone who watched their career would also agree that Barkley declined fast, while Malone had a work ethic that kept him near the top of his game for years.


Malone was also far more reliable defensively. Not that Barkley couldn't defend, he just too lazy to do so. Took far too many plays off.

[MiseryCityTexas]

From the mid to late 80s up to about 1994, Charles Barkley was better than Karl Malone, but from 1995 till the late 90s, Karl Malone was a much better player.

[Round Mound]

Strange that even if Chuck had declined from 96 to 00 he still had advanced stats over Karl Malone clearly. I do however give credit to Karl for still playing quite well in to his mid 30s and the same thing can be said to Pick and Roll Designer John Stockton