LeBron has never been the best player in the league

[TrueAristotle]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.

[Sakkreth]

Theres enormous amount of trolls on ish, I've dealt with it already...

[JordanTime]

false.

2008 Lebron
2009 Lebron
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron

[TrueAristotle]

false.

2008 Lebron
2009 Lebron
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron
:roll:

[Sakkreth]

:roll:

That's actually better list than yours.

[TrueAristotle]

That's actually better list than yours.
Nope then again you aren't even from America so you pretty much have no credibilty, sorry.

[Dave3]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.
You know what, I'll 100% agree with you, if you can find ONE non troll to agree with you. Give me someone who's not Phong or kaiiu or Alphawolf to agree with you, and I'll give it to you. But as long as everyone's calling you an idiot, who the hell do you think you're going to convince?

[TrueAristotle]

You know what, I'll 100% agree with you, if you can find ONE non troll to agree with you. Give me someone who's not Phong or kaiiu or Alphawolf to agree with you, and I'll give it to you. But as long as everyone's calling you an idiot, who the hell do you think you're going to convince?
It's a universal fact not an opinion.

LeBrick has never been the best player in the league, no rings, no talk.

[JordanTime]

Nope then again you aren't even from America so you pretty much have no credibilty, sorry.

what does that have to do with anything, you pathetic fool.

Lebron has been the best player in the NBA for the pass 4 years.

[SuperPippen]

Fukk off.

LeBron was clearly the best in '09 and '10.

He had a case in '08 (although, IMO, Paul and Kobe were indeed superior that year) and '11, as well.

Typing stupid shit with no argument or evidence to back it up, followed by typing "Deal with it" doesn't change anything. It doesn't change what already happened and certainly isn't going to change anyone's mind.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.

2007 is when Duncan started to show his decline. Idk if I'd put him at the top of the list. He did win a title though

2008 is fine

For 2009, you have to put LeBron in there along with Wade and Kobe

For 2010, I'd replace Wade with LeBron

2011 is cool but Wade and LeBron were about equal imo

[Sakkreth]

Nope then again you aren't even from America so you pretty much have no credibilty, sorry.

Because average IQ of american citizen is significantly lower or what ? :oldlol:

[Dave3]

It's a universal fact not an opinion.

LeBrick has never been the best player in the league, no rings, no talk.
Facts only exist in the science realm. Basketball doesn't fall under science. Everything else is opinion. Carbon has 4 protons when neutral = fact. Player being the best in his league = 100% opinion. You don't know the definition of fact and you're saying you're stating facts? Isn't there an inconsistency in there?

[Legends66NBA7]

http://forum.i3d.net/attachments/offtopic-english/943227833d1305709183-english-spam-thread-not-sure-if-troll-just-very-stupid-28n1299498207760-29.jpg

http://www.hooptywagon.com/img/macros/cant-tell-if-stupid-or-trolling.jpg

[JordanTime]

2007 is when Duncan started to show his decline. Idk if I'd put him at the top of the list. He did win a title though

2008 is fine

For 2009, you have to put LeBron in there along with Wade and Kobe

For 2010, I'd replace Wade with LeBron

2011 is cool but Wade and LeBron were about equal imo

i don't agree with this post at all.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

i don't agree with this post at all.

Nobody said that you have to

[kaiiu]

Meh.. Ill say Lebrick was the best in 2010, thats it doe

[Indian guy]

LeBron was the best in '09 and '10. I can understand if someone makes a case for Wade or maybe even Kobe for '09, but there's nobody besides LeBron for '10.

[lolokay]

pinnacleflash aka truearistotle. i specifically remember you saying on PSD that lebron was the best player in the league in 2010 i could find that post for you if you want.

[TrueAristotle]

Facts only exist in the science realm. Basketball doesn't fall under science. Everything else is opinion. Carbon has 4 protons when neutral = fact. Player being the best in his league = 100% opinion. You don't know the definition of fact and you're saying you're stating facts? Isn't there an inconsistency in there?
Lebron win any rings yet? No? Then no best player.


2007 is when Duncan started to show his decline. Idk if I'd put him at the top of the list. He did win a title though

2008 is fine

For 2009, you have to put LeBron in there along with Wade and Kobe

For 2010, I'd replace Wade with LeBron

2011 is cool but Wade and LeBron were about equal imo
Kobe was clearly the best in 09 and 10 and in 11 those three were clearly better than LeBrick James. I think I might put Kobe, Melo, Durant, and Rose over LeBron that season too.

[lolokay]

lol okay.


05-06 - Wade
06-07 - Duncan
07-08 - Kobe
08-09 - Kobe
09-10 - Kobe/LeBron/Wade - rock paper scissors that argument
10-11 - Dirk

,,

[lolokay]

damn your opinion seems to have changed rather fast.

[Dave3]

Lebron win any rings yet? No? Then no best player.

Arbitrary correlation. No factual relevance/relationship. Failure again. (see, those are facts)

[BlackJoker23]

rg and his 300 accounts getting destroyed. dude gets clowned on realgm psd and ish lmfao . yao most overrated player ever asians=puccee ass niccas

[BlackJoker23]

Yo Swashcuff a.k.a X-Factor, you still stealing opinions around here and on RealGM because you can't form them yourself? :oldlol:
is tmac a point forward u bipolar schizophrenic *******?

[BlackJoker23]

rg mad as hell what happened to ur kobetmacyao account bro

[SuperPippen]

Deal with it Bush4Ever.

Kobe > Lebron in 09
Kobe > Lebron in 10

LeBron has no case in 08 or 11, none, *******

deal with it.

This is 2-E-Z.

lol, you're pretty ****ing stupid, bro.

And who the hell is Bush4Ever?

[JordanTime]

lol, you're pretty ****ing stupid, bro.

And who the hell is Bush4Ever?


Kobe fans are the worst. Just ignore this pathetic fool.

[lolokay]

so pinnacleflash is a kobe fan but pretends to be a wade fan on psd just to troll lebron.. k i have one question when did lebron **** your sister?

[Miller for 3]

Kobe fans are the worst. Just ignore this pathetic fool.

Sup Bruceblitz?

[SuperPippen]

You, quit trying to deny it *******.

I sincerely have no idea who that is. Out of the billions of people who watch basketball, and of the hundreds of thousands who like it enough to post on here, you think me and this Bush4Ever dude are the same person?

Just saying some random thing doesn't mean jack unless you can back it up with evidence

I can say you're an idiotic ******, but does that mean you are one? No.




Well, you actually are a pretty huge ******, so that's a bad example.

[Legends66NBA7]

Sup Bruceblitz?

Nah, I think he's done with this website.

He may pop in a couple of times, but on his own account, not some next account.

[Legends66NBA7]

I sincerely have no idea who that is. Out of the billions of people who watch basketball, and of the hundreds of thousands who like it enough to post on here, you think me and this Bush4Ever dude are the same person?

Just saying some random thing doesn't mean jack unless you can back it up with evidence

I can say you're an idiotic ******, but does that mean you are one? No.




Well, you actually are a pretty huge ******, so that's a bad example.

Strong Ether in this post.

This is off topic (though it's an obvious troll thread), who the hell is that in you're avatar ? I always recognize the name "SuperPippen" and then see the Alex Delarge pic. Now it got even more creepier :P..

[SuperPippen]

Keep being defensive ******* a.k.a Bush4Ever. :oldlol:


Everybody knows that you're just saying that to not draw attention to the obvious fact that you are AlphaWolf.

Keep being a defensive ******, AlphaWolf. :oldlol:

[SuperPippen]

Strong Ether in this post.

This is off topic (though it's an obvious troll thread), who the hell is that in you're avatar ? I always recognize the name "SuperPippen" and then see the Alex Delarge pic. Now it got even more creepier :P..

lol, it's just Kevin from The Office doing his Kool-Aid Man face.

I recently re-watched the episode and decided to try his face out as my avatar.


So far, I've been pretty proud of the results.

[Legends66NBA7]

Everybody knows that you're just saying that to not draw attention to the obvious fact that you are AlphaWolf.

Keep being a defensive ******, AlphaWolf. :oldlol:

Jacks3 ? Kaiiu ? Nick Young ? The Legend 24 ?

[Legends66NBA7]

lol, it's just Kevin from The Office doing his Kool-Aid Man face.

I recently re-watched the episode and decided to try his face out as my avatar.


So far, I've been pretty proud of the results.

Ah okay, gotcha. Don't watch that show, so I didn't know obviously. Random to know, but:

http://nerdmeltla.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/the-more-you-know1.jpg

[SuperPippen]

Brains inherently compartmentalize and pick up on patterns. You are clearly Bush4Ever. You post literally exactly like him and have the same opinions. Keep being defensive though, Bush4Ever, *******. :oldlol:

You've responded semi-rationally enough for me to come up with my own semi-rational rebuttal.

If I was that dude, (who I still know nothing about, nor have I ever seen him post here), wouldn't I try changing the way I post and the things I write in order to differentiate my new account from my previous account?

Hm?





Oh, wait, I forgot to call you a ******.

You're a ******.

[RRR3]

Jacks3 ? Kaiiu ? Nick Young ? The Legend 24 ?
This is swagg3r, isn't it obvious?

[SuperPippen]

Nope, keep denying it Bush4Ever.

:lol


lol, okay, AlphaWolf.





P.S. You're a ******.

[Dave3]

No rings, no best player. Deal with it.
I see. You think if you repeat something enough, it becomes true. So do you think you're convincing anyone of anything? Or are you trying to convince yourself?

[Legends66NBA7]

This is swagg3r, isn't it obvious?

Forgot about him. Aside from Jacks3 defending LeBron on occasion, those other always bash him.

His account get banned or something ? I guess that's why. He mentions RealGM a lot, so this must be him.

Can't wait for Round 2 between you two though :P...

[catch24]

This is swagg3r, isn't it obvious?

I'm starting to really feel bad for the kid. Do his parents just leave him home all day, unattended, while he runs amok on ISH? Him and his alter-egos?

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm starting to really feel bad for the kid. Do his parents just leave him home all day, unattended, while he runs amok on ISH? Him and his alter-egos?

Or he's just FUBAR.

[-Original-]

2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe/Dumbcan
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight/Kobe


Deal with it.
fixed. :cheers:

[Dave3]

What is the point of playing sports competitively? Just curious.
Why change subject and not answer question? If you answer I'll be glad to, but don't deflect, that's one of the most obvious defensive mechanisms. Man up and answer.

[Legends66NBA7]

I admire Dave3's relentlessness on dropping knowledge here and there and cuts straight through the B.S.. Keep it up, bro.

[Dave3]

I admire Dave3's relentlessness on dropping knowledge here and there and cuts straight through the B.S.. Keep it up, bro.
I try, and this is what I get:



Why change subject and not answer question? If you answer I'll be glad to, but don't deflect, that's one of the most obvious defensive mechanisms. Man up and answer.
Word for word what I wrote. I've taught 3-7 year olds for the past 3 years (I'm not a teacher, just extra curricular) and I've only had 3 or 4 kids harder to deal with than this genius, and he claims he's in college:oldlol: .

But thanks, :cheers: it's been especially bad this summer because of lockout I guess. I've never ever posted this much during an offseason. Best threads are during the season.

[hawke812]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.

I agree 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000%

[hawke812]

You know what, I'll 100% agree with you, if you can find ONE non troll to agree with you. Give me someone who's not Phong or kaiiu or Alphawolf to agree with you, and I'll give it to you. But as long as everyone's calling you an idiot, who the hell do you think you're going to convince?

I agree with him.

[hawke812]

false.

2008 Lebron
2009 Lebron
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron

Yes all those are false:applause:

[Dave3]

I agree with him.
Don't know who you are to judge whether you're a troll or not. Why would you put Kobe/Wade above LeBron in 2009 and 2010 then?

[Dave3]

So what is the main goal of competitive sports?
Ok.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.

:lol
20 ppg and 10.6 rpg :oldlol:

[SuperPippen]

Yup.

Dave3 speaks the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[Dave3]

You don't now what the main goal of competitive sports is? :oldlol: Who are you to judge then?
Sure.

[lolokay]

Pathetic. :oldlol:


Continue with your life with the same amount of stupidity though. :cheers:

i'll answer, winning. go on

[Dave3]

i'll answer, winning. go on
He was never going to answer. I mean when a poster quotes you and says the same thing like a 5 year old would say (probably with a mocking tone) you can't exactly have high expectations. He'll keep deflecting, then in the end say something like ":oldlol: u so stupid, cant believe im wasting my time wit u"

[lolokay]

What is your account name on PSD?

same as this one

[with malice]

Obvious troll thread. Not even going to give it a comment.
Oh... whoops.

[winwin]

Don't know who you are to judge whether you're a troll or not. Why would you put Kobe/Wade above LeBron in 2009 and 2010 then?
one word
mentality

[lolokay]

but winning, okay. LeBron has never won anything before in the NBA. LeBron has never met the main objective of basketball while many others have, how is he the best?

rings are usually something your judged upon when your career is done on the alltime rankings so lebron not winning doesn't mean much when your talking about whos the best in the game now, almost any star can win with the right talent around them(ie parker,billups,pierce)

[Dave3]

one word
mentality
No offense but I'm waiting for his reply. A reply like "mentality" (basically a word that can never be defined or measured, and therefore can't be argued other than "yes" and "no") isn't a reply of any substance. I can say I rank Kidd last year above Deron Williams because of leadership, or Kobe ahead of Durant because of experience. Argue basketball, not arbitrary terms that have no substance. Does Kobe still not have that mentality now? So is he still better than LeBron to you right now?

[lolokay]

also want to know why dwight is up there if winning is so important.

[catch24]

If you can't tell that LEBron's mentality is worse than everybody else's then I don't know what to say to you. Then again I have high doubts you ever played competitive sports in your life so you probably don't even know what it is like.

Why do you persist on making this board worse than it already is?

Be real, for once.

[NumberSix]

LeBron has been the best since at least 1984

[catch24]

Making the board worse =/ spittin the freakin truth.

Except you're not, and you are posting these opinions behind a sock account. Again, Swagger, be real about. You don't do this forum any good dumbing it down by purposefully being an idiot.

Enough with the bullshit, grow up.

[winwin]

No offense but I'm waiting for his reply. A reply like "mentality" (basically a word that can never be defined or measured, and therefore can't be argued other than "yes" and "no") isn't a reply of any substance. I can say I rank Kidd last year above Deron Williams because of leadership, or Kobe ahead of Durant because of experience. Argue basketball, not arbitrary terms that have no substance. Does Kobe still not have that mentality now? So is he still better than LeBron to you right now?
do you understand the meaning of the word ''mentality'' in sports?

it's not clutch or gamewinners it's not ''not being in scoring rythm for 2-3 games''

firrst let may say that Lebron is a great player and he had a chance to be the GOAT - and im not joking


i will explain in a simple way ..

mentality in sports

there are many mental qualities that are important for successful performance in most sports. the main qualities are:

The 4C's

Concentration, confidence, control and commitment (the 4C's) are generally considered the main mental qualities that are important for successful performance in most sports .

Concentration - ability to maintain focus
Confidence - believe in one's abilities
Control - ability to maintain emotional control regardless of distraction
Commitment - ability to continue working to agreed goals

The techniques of relaxation, centering and mental imagery can assist an athlete to achieve the 4C's.


now let me give you some
examples

let's take ''Concentration''

- laughing and making fun of Dirk ''the couagh thing'' in the middle of NBA FINALS

for Heat fans this is the last thing you want Wade and Lebron to do. you want them to maintain focus, Concentration for fcuk sake this is FINALS media will talk about it fans won't let it go, reporters will ask the players about it .. waht a distraction!!
you just don't need this sh!t in the finals


- the silly things (dancing - hand shaking itc)
you know what i mean

- distractions got into Lebron in 2010 Celtics/Cavs ECF

-----

let's look at Confidence

mind games - there are players that it's easy to get into their minds just befor big games.

remember:

-Kareem comments on Howard befor 2009 finals (both Centers)
-Magic Johnson comments on Rondo befor 2010 finals (both PG's)
-Jerry West comments on Lebron befor 2010 ECF
-Magic Johnson comments on Lebron befor 2009 ECF
-Pippen comments on Lebron befor 2011 Finals



notice the the trend? they don't mean it, they just Mind-numbing and it worked every time with players have ''Confidence'' issues.

just mind games

-remember Celtics practice before game 7 in 2010 finals?
Staples Center scoreboard was still displaying the final point tally from Game 6 the night before (it was a blow-out): No coincidence

[Dave3]

do you understand the meaning of the word ''mentality'' in sports?

it's not clutch or gamewinners it's not ''not being in scoring rythm for 2-3 games''

firrst let may say that Lebron is a great player and he had a chance to be the GOAT - and im not joking


i will explain in a simple way ..

mentality in sports

there are many mental qualities that are important for successful performance in most sports. the main qualities are:

The 4C's

Concentration, confidence, control and commitment (the 4C's) are generally considered the main mental qualities that are important for successful performance in most sports .

Concentration - ability to maintain focus
Confidence - believe in one's abilities
Control - ability to maintain emotional control regardless of distraction
Commitment - ability to continue working to agreed goals

The techniques of relaxation, centering and mental imagery can assist an athlete to achieve the 4C's.


now let me give you some
examples

let's take ''Concentration''

- laughing and making fun of Dirk ''the couagh thing'' in the middle of NBA FINALS

for Heat fans this is the last thing you want Wade and Lebron to do. you want them to maintain focus, Concentration for fcuk sake this is FINALS media will talk about it fans won't let it go, reporters will ask the players about it .. waht a distraction!!
you just don't need this sh!t in the finals


- the silly things (dancing - hand shaking itc)
you know what i mean

- distractions got into Lebron in 2010 Celtics/Cavs ECF

-----

let's look at Confidence

mind games - there are players that it's easy to get into their minds just befor big games.

remember:

-Kareem comments on Howard befor 2009 finals (both Centers)
-Magic Johnson comments on Rondo befor 2010 finals (both PG's)
-Jerry West comments on Lebron befor 2010 ECF
-Magic Johnson comments on Lebron befor 2009 ECF
-Pippen comments on Lebron befor 2011 Finals



notice the the trend? they don't mean it, they just Mind-numbing and it worked every time with players have ''Confidence'' issues.

just mind games

-remember Celtics practice before game 7 in 2010 finals?
Staples Center scoreboard was still displaying the final point tally from Game 6 the night before (it was a blow-out): No coincidence
Was Kobe's mentality stronger than LeBron's in 2011?

[Doctor Rivers]

You know what, I'll 100% agree with you, if you can find ONE non troll to agree with you. Give me someone who's not Phong or kaiiu or Alphawolf to agree with you, and I'll give it to you. But as long as everyone's calling you an idiot, who the hell do you think you're going to convince?

I agree with him

[Legends66NBA7]

but winning, okay. LeBron has never won anything before in the NBA. LeBron has never met the main objective of basketball while many others have, how is he the best?

I guess none of these guys were considered the best at what they did at one point either:

Adrian Dantley
Alex English
Allen Iverson
Artis Gilmore
Arvydas Sabonis
Bernard King
Bob Lanier
Charles Barkley
Chris Mullin
Chris Webber
Connie Hawkins
Dan Issel
Dave Bing
Dikembe Mutombo
Dominique Wilkins
Elgin Baylor
George Gervin
John Stockton
Karl Malone
Kevin Johnson
Nate Thurmond
Patrick Ewing
Pete Maravich
Reggie Miller
Steve Nash
Tim Hardaway
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Walt Bellamy
Yao Ming

Guess what they all had in common with LeBron James ? Guess where most, if not all, are in now ? A place LeBron will obviously join them as well, if his career ended today.

[lolokay]

why are you bitching on psd about swashcuff for trolling when you not only troll psd but this site?

[Dave3]

I agree with him
He called you a troll already so he kind of disqualified you from that. And no offense, but I, and many others also think you're a troll. How can you make an argument for Wade over LeBron in 2010? How is LeBron not clearly the best in 2009? Just because Kobe had Pau and LeBron had Mo? Makes no sense.

[lolokay]

why you put dwight up there than? he hasnt won

[Dave3]

Kobe wins ring in 2009
Kobe wins ring in 2010

Go ask most analysts and fans who was the best that season and they say Kobe. lol at LeBron being clear cut best, *******.
I was talking to someone else, but thanks for that lol. I'm sure I value your opinion so much.

[Doctor Rivers]

He called you a troll already so he kind of disqualified you from that. And no offense, but I, and many others also think you're a troll. How can you make an argument for Wade over LeBron in 2010? How is LeBron not clearly the best in 2009? Just because Kobe had Pau and LeBron had Mo? Makes no sense.

who called me a troll?

[lolokay]

and you fully said lebron/wade/kobe are the best players in 2010 on psd how come lebron isnt even in the discussion anymore? did he rape your grandmother since than?

[Dave3]

who called me a troll?
RG (Swagg3r/TrueAristotle)

[chips93]

so truearistotle is definitely swagg3r ? seems pretty clear now.

oh yeah, the thread, lebron has been the best in 09 and 10, and maybe last year and in 08, maybe 07 too, depends how much you value a good playoff run

[lolokay]

Why are you still ignorning my question earlier, Swashcuff a.k.a X-Factor? whos opinion do you steal more, Kblaze or ShaqAttack? We all know that you can't form opinions on your own, but rather just steal them. So whos opinion do you steal more?


Dwight > LeBron in the finals and it's not even close.

but we're talking about 2011 and last time i checked dwight was out in the first round

[Math2]

false.

2008 Lebron
2009 Lebron
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron

:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:

One for each year...

[Dave3]

RG assumes people who call him out must be the same person, as if his BS shouldn't annoy different people. Dude thought I was either Shaqattack or some Anchorman guy for a good year :oldlol:
I remember that actually. He got defensive when people were laughing at him for having multiple accounts to the point where he started accusing everybody else of having multiple accounts. I remember him calling you Shaqattack because you both disagreed with him on the Yao vs Dwight debate.

[Phong]

false.

2008 Lebron
2009 Lebron
2010 Lebron
2011 LebronWhat's up Pauk?

[L8k3r5]

what does that have to do with anything, you pathetic fool.

Lebron has been the best player in the NBA for the pass 4 years.
No

[kaiiu]

What's up Pauk?
good catch

[L8k3r5]

i don't agree with this post at all.
Then again you are an idiot, so what do you know?

[Legends66NBA7]

What's up Pauk?

That's not Pauk. He wouldn't be repping Jordan that much.

[JordanTime]

Then again you are an idiot, so what do you know?

idiot because i have my knowledge in basketball than you?

[L8k3r5]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/02/28/110228053425574536.gif
http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
Compared to
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif
http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Like I've said before. If Lebron gets better footwork and a post game, he can become a great player

[L8k3r5]

idiot because i have my knowledge in basketball than you?
Please, your knowledge consists of biased posting. You have no quality in your posts.

[Legends66NBA7]

Please, your knowledge consists of biased posting. You have no quality in your posts.

You say he has biased posting and then post gifs favoring Kobe over LeBron and then say that could make him a "great" player ?

Pot meet kettle.

[lolokay]

he's already feakishly quick,strong,and athletic for his size you have to drop of somwhere, though he was great footwork for someone his size.

[JordanTime]

Please, your knowledge consists of biased posting. You have no quality in your posts.

and you constantly posting clips of video shows what?

[Legends66NBA7]

he's already feakishly quick,strong,and athletic for his size you have to drop of somwhere, though he was great footwork for someone his size.

+1.

[Dave3]

You say he has biased posting and then post gifs favoring Kobe over LeBron and then say that could make him a "great" player ?

Pot meet kettle.
From the majority of posts I've seen from L8K5r actually he's a decent poster. He's probably just responding to a troll with trolling.

[Legends66NBA7]

From the majority of posts I've seen from L8K5r actually he's a decent poster. He's probably just responding to a troll with trolling.

He ain't trolling, though. How can he be trolling by giving his opinion ?

Does everyones opinion have to be the same ? No, it does not.

Let JordanTime say what he wants, unless it's totally outrageous.

[L8k3r5]

You say he has biased posting and then post gifs favoring Kobe over LeBron and then say that could make him a "great" player ?

Pot meet kettle.
He's trying to say Lebron is the best in the league. I honestly don't see that. To me, the best player in the league is the one who is the most polished. Lebron isn't the most polished. Now I'm also not saying that Kobe is still the best. He's slowed down a little. What I was trying to point out is that if he worked on those two assets, then he can become a really great player. And btw the other dude was trying to say that Lebron's been the best in the league since 2007. C'mon there are other players who were superior to him in some of those years.

[Dave3]

He ain't trolling, though. How can he be trolling by giving his opinion ?

Does everyones opinion have to be the same ? No, it does not.

Let JordanTime say what he wants, unless it's totally outrageous.
Unless he is actually Pauk. And I think he may have said LeBron had a case for best player in 2007, which is pretty ludicrous.

[JordanTime]

From the majority of posts I've seen from L8K5r actually he's a decent poster. He's probably just responding to a troll with trolling.

I'm a troll because i speaking the truth?

Lebron James has been the best player in the NBA for the pass 4 years. Nodebate.

Find me a player who constantly makes his teammates look like allstars, comes up clutch, defends constantly well, excellent leader, passive and playmaking skills like a Point Guard, lead a bunch of nobodys to best record in the NBA 2x in a row.

[Dave3]

I'm a troll because i speaking the truth?

Lebron James has been the best player in the NBA for the pass 4 years. Nodebate.

Find me a player who constantly makes his teammates look like allstars, comes up clutch, defends constantly well, excellent leader, passive and playmaking skills like a Point Guard, lead a bunch of nobodys to best record in the NBA 2x in a row.
3* In 2008 there is definitely a debate and it actually leans towards Kobe. And in 2007 LeBron doesn't have much of an argument at all.

If he thought/you are Pauk, then it's warranted.

[JordanTime]

He's trying to say Lebron is the best in the league. I honestly don't see that. To me, the best player in the league is the one who is the most polished. Lebron isn't the most polished. Now I'm also not saying that Kobe is still the best. He's slowed down a little. What I was trying to point out is that if he worked on those two assets, then he can become a really great player. And btw the other dude was trying to say that Lebron's been the best in the league since 2007. C'mon there are other players who were superior to him in some of those years.

So this L8k3r5 gal is saying Lebron James has never been the best player in the league once?

[chips93]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Like I've said before. If Lebron gets better footwork and a post game, he can become a great player

such a beautiful move

lebron is never gonna develop great footwork, he should just try learn some basic power moves, so he can utilise his strength. its too late for him to ever become a great post scorer.

[Dave3]

So this L8k3r5 gal is saying Lebron James has never been the best player in the league once?
He's never said that before. He was actually more objective before these posts.

[JordanTime]

Unless he is actually Pauk. And I think he may have said LeBron had a case for best player in 2007, which is pretty ludicrous.

please provide evidence for me saying Lebron James was the best in 2007.

I wrote from 2008 to 2011 LEBRON JAMES WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA stop putting words in my mouth.

[L8k3r5]

So this L8k3r5 gal is saying Lebron James has never been the best player in the league once?
No you idiot, I said Lebron wasn't the best in all of those 4 years. Who you calling gal anyway? Your the one with your panties in a bunch over a statement I made. Relax a little bit.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's trying to say Lebron is the best in the league. I honestly don't see that. To me, the best player in the league is the one who is the most polished. Lebron isn't the most polished. Now I'm also not saying that Kobe is still the best. He's slowed down a little. What I was trying to point out is that if he worked on those two assets, then he can become a really great player. And btw the other dude was trying to say that Lebron's been the best in the league since 2007. C'mon there are other players who were superior to him in some of those years.

And you don't think LeBron has a case at all ?? I don't think some "polishing" is what he needs to be a great player. He already is a great player, playing right now. If you don't see it, then oh well, that's on you.

Does he need improvements ? Absolutely. But to say that he's all he needs is post game and then he would be great player is absurd.

You have your opinion and he has his.

Not sure which guy you talking about, but he has his opinion as well. LeBron had a great run till he ran into the Spurs in the Finals. What's not to think he wasn't the best @ age 22 ? I don't agree with it, but it's a good debate. Just like some people say that Dirk was the best player after this season because he had a great run. People think differently when you start winning or have long playoff runs.

It all depends on how you precieve things and put into prespective.

Agree to disagree and move on.

[L8k3r5]

please provide evidence for me saying Lebron James was the best in 2007.

I wrote from 2008 to 2011 LEBRON JAMES WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA stop putting words in my mouth.
you did say 4 years right? 2011-4=2007

[JordanTime]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Like I've said before. If Lebron gets better footwork and a post game, he can become a great player

So because Lebron doesn't possess the same footwork or post game like Kobe...he isn't great. Without that Lebron James is more dominate/superior than Kobe. Same goes Dwayne Wade.

[Dave3]

please provide evidence for me saying Lebron James was the best in 2007.

I wrote from 2008 to 2011 LEBRON JAMES WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA stop putting words in my mouth.
Oh nvm then, I thought that was you. Someone said it in this thread and you didn't deny it so I thought it was you. My fault.

[Dave3]

you did say 4 years right? 2011-4=2007
loll, bro,

2008
2009
2010
2011

Those are 4 years if you're including 2011.

[JordanTime]

you did say 4 years right? 2011-4=2007
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6385645&postcount=3

explain yourself.

This was my orignal post.

[JordanTime]

Oh nvm then, I thought that was you. Someone said it in this thread and you didn't deny it so I thought it was you. My fault.

it's like dealing with donkeys on this forum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6385645&postcount=3

[Legends66NBA7]

Unless he is actually Pauk. And I think he may have said LeBron had a case for best player in 2007, which is pretty ludicrous.

Nah, JordanTime ain't Pauk. For one their writing is way off to be each other.

There some one who did say that but the debate is there. The man was doing some damn great things @ age 22. I don't believe it either, but the arguement is there. Just need to look at it in context.

[L8k3r5]

loll, bro,

2008
2009
2010
2011

Those are 4 years if you're including 2011.
Yea and the 2011 season hasn't started yet. So I thought you meant 2007-08

[JordanTime]

Yea and the 2011 season hasn't started yet. So I thought you meant 2007-08

2011 is ending.

Boy do your math and stop making excuses and aplogize

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJhPLGMhRuQ

[Dave3]

Yea and the 2011 season hasn't started yet. So I thought you meant 2007-08
2008 season
2009 season
2010 season
2011 season

The 2011 season has ended. When people say season years, they mean when they ended. The 2011 season is done.

[catch24]

No way was Lebron better than Kobe in 2008, his MVP year. Not buying that for one second.

[JordanTime]

2008 season
2009 season
2010 season
2011 season

The 2011 season has ended. When people say season years, they mean when they ended. The 2011 season is done.

thank you.

[Plat]

2007 - Duncan/Kobe
2008 - Kobe/CP3
2009 - Kobe/Wade
2010 - Kobe/Wade
2011 - Wade/Dirk/Dwight


Deal with it.

:roll: :roll: :lol :roll: :facepalm

[Dave3]

it's like dealing with donkeys on this forum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6385645&postcount=3
I already admitted being wrong and said it was my fault...what's the point of that post?

[L8k3r5]

2008 season
2009 season
2010 season
2011 season

The 2011 season has ended. When people say season years, they mean when they ended. The 2011 season is done.
Yeah and in 2008 the 07-08 season ended. Do you think Lebron was the best in the league that year?

[Legends66NBA7]

No way was Lebron better than Kobe in 2008, his MVP year. Not buying that for one second.

It was down to either Kobe and CP3, really.

[JordanTime]

No way was Lebron better than Kobe in 2008, his MVP year. Not buying that for one second.

Hmm it's debateable but i have to with Lebron James on this one.

I even have Chris Paul higher than Kobe Bryant that season as well.

[Dave3]

Yeah and in 2008 the 07-08 season ended. Do you think Lebron was the best in the league that year?
No, but not nearly as ridiculous as the possibility of 2007 when the gap was larger.

Do you think Kobe was better in the 2009 and 2010 seasons?

[L8k3r5]

Hmm it's debateable but i have to with Lebron James on this one.

I even have Chris Paul higher than Kobe Bryant that season as well.
Can you explain your reasons?

[JordanTime]

Can you explain your reasons?

Alright you give me your reasons and i give you mine.........ane please no clips of those little videos.

[L8k3r5]

No, but not nearly as ridiculous as the possibility of 2007 when the gap was larger.

Do you think Kobe was better in the 2009 and 2010 seasons?
2009 could be debatable I honestly think it was a tie because those two were the best in the league at the time. 2010 is up in the air for me.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Can you explain your reasons?

One of the players in discussion is named Kobe Bryant

[catch24]

Kobe in 2008:
-better from 10-15ft, 16-23ft, 3PT
-more refined scorer
-better defender
-better in the clutch

Lebron was the better finisher (near the basket) and play-maker (although, Kobe's passing and ability to set up his teammates were elite and not very far behind). Beyond that though? Get real.

Kobe from 06-08; Lebron from 09-11

[L8k3r5]

Alright you give me your reasons and i give you mine.........ane please no clips of those little videos.
I just think in my opinion Kobe is a more complete player than Lebron. Also in 2008 that was Kobe's MVP year. Lebron wasn't the best that year CP3 was having a fantastic year as well. I wanna hear why you think Lebron was better than Kobe in 2008.

[JordanTime]

2009 could be debatable I honestly think it was a tie because those two were the best in the league at the time. 2010 is up in the air for me.

see what i mean.

"2009 could be debateable" ?

How? He lead his team to the best record in the NBA, was the league's MVP, defense was the best in has ever been, his amazing playoff play.............I COULD GO ON FOR DAYS.

"2010 umm up in the air"

****ing joke..........not even going to debate this. Lebron James was the best player.......sure he did "quit vs the Celtics" but nobody came close to his regular season perfomance........not even Dwyane Wade did.

[Cali Syndicate]

Lebron's arguably been a top 3 player the last five years. What the problem is?

[Deuce Bigalow]

see what i mean.

"2009 could be debateable" ?

How? He lead his team to the best record in the NBA, was the league's MVP, defense was the best in has ever been, his amazing playoff play.............I COULD GO ON FOR DAYS.

"2010 umm up in the air"

****ing joke..........not even going to debate this. Lebron James was the best player.......sure he did "quit vs the Celtics" but nobody came close to his regular season perfomance........not even Dwyane Wade did.

2009 Playoffs
2009 WCF
2009 Finals
Finals MVP

2010
"Kobe is the best player...and its not even close"
- Alvin gentry

[PJR]

I just don't understand the fascination with berating LeBron 24/7. Shit is stupid. If you honestly think at no point could LeBron be considered the best in the game, then you're A dumbf*ck. And I don't even mess with LeBron like that.

Some of y'all reach so much just get a rise out of people. Trolling as they call it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron said Kobe was the best player in 2009, also 2007

[L8k3r5]

see what i mean.

"2009 could be debateable" ?

How? He lead his team to the best record in the NBA, was the league's MVP, defense was the best in has ever been, his amazing playoff play.............I COULD GO ON FOR DAYS.

"2010 umm up in the air"

****ing joke..........not even going to debate this. Lebron James was the best player.......sure he did "quit vs the Celtics" but nobody came close to his regular season perfomance........not even Dwyane Wade did.
It was a tie. Lebron led his team to a 66-16 record while Kobe led his team to a 65-17 record. I remember that year cleary everybody was always debating who's better Kobe or Lebron. Yes it was Lebron's MVP year but don't forget Kobe won a championship that same year as well. He also won a finals MVP. an award more valuable than an MVP. I try to reason with you, but your making it nearly impossible for me to do that.

[Legends66NBA7]

Lebron's arguably been a top 3 player the last five years. What the problem is?

He can't be the best player in the NBA in other people's opinions, apparently.

[Dave3]

It was a tie. Lebron led his team to a 66-16 record while Kobe led his team to a 65-17 record. I remember that year cleary everybody was always debating who's better Kobe or Lebron. Yes it was Lebron's MVP year but don't forget Kobe won a championship that same year as well. He also won a finals MVP. an award more valuable than an MVP. I try to reason with you, but your making it nearly impossible for me to do that.
If you can say 2009 and 2010 are debatable b/w Kobe and LeBron, then he can say the same thing for 2008.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you can say 2009 and 2010 are debatable b/w Kobe and LeBron, then he can say the same thing for 2008.

everybody was saying kobe was the best player in the world by far in 2008

[catch24]

He can't be the best player in the NBA in other people's opinions, apparently.

Lebron was undoubtedly the best player in 2009. At least in my opinion. Kobe and Wade had a case in 2010...especially after Lebron's mental-breakdown vs. Boston.

[Dave3]

everybody was saying kobe was the best player in the world by far in 2008
They were, but not "by far"
Same way everyone was saying LeBron had overtaken Kobe in 2009 and 2010 though. If he has no problem disagreeing with majority opinion himself, he can't condemn someone else for doing the same.

[L8k3r5]

If you can say 2009 and 2010 are debatable b/w Kobe and LeBron, then he can say the same thing for 2008.
I'll say this he did lead the Cavs all the way to game 7 against the Celtics in 2008. he carried that team in the playoffs but like catch 24 said

Kobe in 2008:
-better from 10-15ft, 16-23ft, 3PT
-more refined scorer
-better defender
-better in the clutch
is why I think Kobe was superior to Lebron that year.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron was undoubtedly the best player in 2009. At least in my opinion. Kobe and Wade had a case in 2010...especially after Lebron's mental-breakdown vs. Boston.

Lebron said that Kobe was the better than him in 2009, on 60 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84

[JordanTime]

Kobe in 2008:
-better from 10-15ft, 16-23ft, 3PT
-more refined scorer
-better defender
-better in the clutch

Lebron was the better finisher (near the basket) and play-maker (although, Kobe's passing and ability to set up his teammates were elite and not very far behind). Beyond that though? Get real.

Kobe from 06-08; Lebron from 09-11


Yes Kobe was better from 10-15ft, 16-23ft, 3PT.

Scoring is debateable. Kobe is versatile, while Lebron scored more and had a better %.

Better defender?

Lebron James DTRG was 104
Kobe Bryant DTRG was 106

and this is with the Lakers (89.6) having a better defensive effienclty rating than the Cavailers (90.7).



Clutch?

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

[Da Heroic One]

Why are people saying LeBron was easily the best player in 2009? Everyone specifically analysts at the end of the season said Kobe was the best player in the league. Did I miss something?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why are people saying LeBron was easily the best player in 2009? Everyone specifically analysts at the end of the season said Kobe was the best player in the league. Did I miss something?

even Lebron himself said Kobe was better than him that year
but Lebron had incredible numbers, ill give him that

[JordanTime]

2009 Playoffs
2009 WCF
2009 Finals
Finals MVP

2010
"Kobe is the best player...and its not even close"
- Alvin gentry

Alvin Gentry didn't play Lebron James.

And Kobe Bryant was playing in the western conference (Phoenix Suns play no defense). See how bad his stats went downhill as soon as he played agaisnt the Celtics? (This is not the first time this has happened..........look at 04,08,11)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Alvin Gentry didn't play Lebron James.

And Kobe Bryant was playing in the western conference (Phoenix Suns play no defense). See how bad his stats went downhill as soon as he played agaisnt the Celtics? (This is not the first time this has happened..........look at 04,08,11)

29 PPG and 8 RPG and Finals MVP
:confusedshrug:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

29 PPG and 8 RPG and Finals MVP
:confusedshrug:

:oldlol: people sometimes forget that that Game 7 is what really brought his stats down, specifically his PPG and FG%. Outside of that he was good throughout the entire series

[JordanTime]

Lebron was undoubtedly the best player in 2009. At least in my opinion. Kobe and Wade had a case in 2010...especially after Lebron's mental-breakdown vs. Boston.

Dwayne Wade vs Boston Celtics

33.2PPG 6.8APG 5.6RPG 0.564FG% 405(3P%) 1.6BPG 1.6SPG amazing perfomance :bowdown: :bowdown:

Lebron James vs Boston Celtics

26.8PPG 7.3APG 9.3RPG 0.447FG% 269(3P%) 1.3BPG 2.2SPG

Kobe Bryant vs Boston Celtics

28.6PPG 3.9APG 8.0RPG 0.405FG% .319(3p%) 0.7BPG 2.1SPG

Now tell me how Kobe Bryant has worse stats than Lebron James?

[JordanTime]

:oldlol: people sometimes forget that that Game 7 is what really brought his stats down, specifically his PPG and FG%. Outside of that he was good throughout the entire series

and what about Lebron James. Same could be said about him.

Take out game 5 and show me his stats. Let's debate who had better stats, who did more for their teams, who played better defense.

[JordanTime]

29 PPG and 8 RPG and Finals MVP
:confusedshrug:

I luv it how these Kobe Bryant fans don't show the whole thing.


Lebron James vs Boston Celtics

26.8PPG 7.3APG 9.3RPG 0.447FG% 269(3P%) 1.3BPG 2.2SPG

Kobe Bryant vs Boston Celtics

28.6PPG 3.9APG 8.0RPG 0.405FG% .319(3p%) 0.7BPG 2.1SPG

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I luv it how these Kobe Bryant fans don't show the whole thing.


Lebron James vs Boston Celtics

26.8PPG 7.3APG 9.3RPG 0.447FG% 269(3P%) 1.3BPG 2.2SPG

Kobe Bryant vs Boston Celtics

28.6PPG 3.9APG 8.0RPG 0.405FG% .319(3p%) 0.7BPG 2.1SPG

It's not as simple as the stats man. If it were people would not be hammering LeBron for his fiasco in the finals as much as they have

[JordanTime]

I'll say this he did lead the Cavs all the way to game 7 against the Celtics in 2008. he carried that team in the playoffs but like catch 24 said

is why I think Kobe was superior to Lebron that year.


no evidence supports this claim.

[catch24]

Yes Kobe was better from 10-15ft, 16-23ft, 3PT.

Scoring is debateable. Kobe is versatile, while Lebron scored more and had a better %.

How is scoring debatable? Kobe kept defenses honest with his polished scoring skills and ability to hit from anywhere on the court; Lebron? Not so much. His jumpshot was better in 2008 than it was '07, but still shaky and no-where near as consistent as Kobe's from mid-to-longrange.

Better defender?


Lebron James DTRG was 104
Kobe Bryant DTRG was 106

DRTG is a team statistic (and heavily overrates blocks/steals). Lebron's teams played better defense in the playoffs as well.

Bad example.


and this is with the Lakers (89.6) having a better defensive effienclty rating than the Cavailers (90.7).

What? Cleveland had a 106 DRTG.


Clutch?

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

I don't go by 82games interpretation of what is clutch (scoring a couple points with a certain amount of minutes/seconds left isn't my definition of 'clutch-play'). But even if we were to go by their criteria, looking at the page, you can't ignore the fact, Lebron played in 12 more games (and near 80 more minutes). One also can't help but notice something I aluded to earlier, and thats Kobe's versatility. Look at his FT and 3PT%. Much better than James'. From a scoring perspective, Kobe has more ways of beating you down the stretch.

2009's Sports Illustrated poll (based on 190 player votes) says Kobe was more clutch and the best late-game player in the league: http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/staff/posts/49281-si-players-nba-poll-with-the-game-on-the-line-which-nba-player-would-you-want-to-take-the-last-shot

I'll go ahead and take their opinion over yours and 82games (mere statistics not put into proper context).

[JordanTime]

I don't go by 82games interpretation of what is clutch (scoring a couple points with a certain amount of minutes/seconds left isn't my definition of 'clutch-play'). But even if we were to go by their criteria, looking at the page, you can't ignore the fact, Lebron played in 12 more games (and near 80 more minutes). One also can't help but notice something I aluded to earlier, and thats Kobe's versatility. Look at his FT and 3PT%. Much better than James'. From a scoring perspective, Kobe has more ways of beating you down the stretch.

2009's Sports Illustrated poll (based on 190 player votes) says Kobe was more clutch and the best late-game player in the league: http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/staff/posts/49281-si-players-nba-poll-with-the-game-on-the-line-which-nba-player-would-you-want-to-take-the-last-shot

I'll go ahead and take their opinion over yours and 82games (mere statistics not put into proper context).

i'm just going to ignore everything you said except for the clutch statement.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/staff/posts/49281-si-players-nba-poll-with-the-game-on-the-l

this is laughable. Last shot doesn't mean clutch.

Clutch means last 5 mins.........not 2 seconds left on the shot clock.

Henry Abbott explains

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

[catch24]

i'm just going to ignore everything you said except for the clutch statement.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/staff/posts/49281-si-players-nba-poll-with-the-game-on-the-l

I'll take that as a sign of you waiving the white flag.


this is laughable. Last shot doesn't mean clutch.

No one said last second shots are what the term clutch means. Do they play a role in being clutch? Sure.


Clutch means last 5 mins.........not 2 seconds left on the shot clock.

Henry Abbott explains

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

Players>>>>Anaylsts making up their own criteria. Deal with it.

[RRR3]

There is just so much fail in this thread. :facepalm

[JordanTime]

No one said last second shots are what the term clutch means. Do they play a role in being clutch? Sure.



Players>>>>Anaylsts making up their own criteria. Deal with it.

tyipcal Kobe fans response.

i think i'm done here.

[RRR3]

tyipcal Kobe fans response.

i think i'm done here.
catch24 isn't a "typical Kobe fan". :facepalm

[catch24]

tyipcal Kobe fans response.

i think i'm done here.

Typical sour-puss angry with being out-classed. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Legends66NBA7]

Alvin Gentry didn't play Lebron James.

And Kobe Bryant was playing in the western conference (Phoenix Suns play no defense). See how bad his stats went downhill as soon as he played agaisnt the Celtics? (This is not the first time this has happened..........look at 04,08,11)

Don't skip out 2009 when he face the reigning DPOY in Dwight Howard and a team defensive rating off 101.9 (1st in the league). His production ?

32.4ppg 5.6reb 7.4ast 1.4stl 1.4blk 43.0%fg 36.0%ft 84.1%ft

See how well he played against the #1 ranked defense ?

And yes LeBron James played better than that team too, I will give him credit there for sure.

As for the 2010 Phoneix Suns, well you will have to look at it again. I thought he played extremely well and the defense actually look solid at time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDmnJAaxnQQ

Game 1

- Goes one on one with Dudley, makes a tough shot in the paint.
- 3 pointer, contested by J-Rich
- Ridiculous fall away shot by Kobe, that's impossible to guard
- Mid range, contested by Amar'e
- Literally hits over a double team of G-Hill and J-Rich, ridiculous shot
- Great split on the screen by Kobe, bad defense there, makes a tough floater
- 3 pointer, late contest by Nash
- Mid range shot, good defense by G-Hill
- Step back shot, contest by Dudley
- Great back door play by Kobe and 1, poor defense and foul on Frye
- Open court lay up on a turnover, pass from Odom
- 3 pointer by Kobe, late uncontested run by Barbosa
- Turnaround fadeaway by Kobe, no contest, looked J-Rich slipped up

Game 2
- Mid range jumper, good contest by Hill
- Layup, Lopez on the switch
- 3 pointer, runby J-Rich
- Mid range jumper, contested by Dudley
- Pump fake turnaround jumper, contested by Hill and Lopez
- Mid range jumper, lazy contest/face guard by Hill
- Inside free throw line jumper, face gaurd by Dudley
- Great cross by Kobe for the jumper


Game 3
- Turnaround fadeaway jumper, contested by Lopez
- Mid range jumper, contested by Hill
- Fakes out Lopez, layup
- 3 pointer, hand down man down Hill
- Mid range jumper, contested by Dudley
- Tough fallaway jumper, contested by Amar'e
- Mid range jumper, poor contest by Frye
- Rebound, fake out of Lopez, layup
- Switch on Nash, Mid range jumper after running into the screener Gasol
- 3 pointer, made it on a switch on Nash, Nash contests though
- Switch barbosa, drives, hits jumper, contested by Frye
- Bad defense by the suns, Kobe finds away to drive it to the basket

Game 4
- Mid range jumper, contested by Amundson
- Mid range jumper, contested by Amundson
- 3 pointer, contested by Amundson
- 3 pointer, no contest by Amundson, stand his ground
- Mid range jumper, contest by J-Rich
- 3 pointer, no contest, bad D by J-Rich
- Pull up jumper, late face guard contest by Hill
- 3 pointer, switch on Nash, no chance for Nash there
- 3 pointer, run by Amar'e
- Pull up jumper, lazy/no contest by Frye
- Basline fadeaway, nothing you can do there
- 3 pointer, lazy defense on Dudley, should have contested it better
- Switch on Nash, draws foul, jumper, and 1
- Layup, good move by Kobe
- Pull up jumper, no contest

Game 5
- Jumper, contest by J-Rich
- Mid range jumper, great contest by Dragic
- 3 pointer, close out by Barbosa
- Runs into triple team, pull up 3 pointer, no contest
- 3 pointer, contest by Nash
- Mid range jumper, face guard by Nash
- Fast break dunk
- Drives, jumper, great contest by Hill
- Mid range jumper, contested by J-Rich, ran into double team
- 3 pointer, poor defense by the Suns but their zoning up
- Mid range jumper, face guard by Dragic
- Mid range jumper, no contest by Barbosa

Game 6
- Mid range jumper, contested by Hill
- Drives, draws foul, tough runner, and 1
- 3 pointer, contested by J-Rich
- Mid range jumper, contest by Amar'e
- Deep 3 pointer, nothing you can do there
- Mid range jumper, of the screen, no contest by Amar'e on the recover
- Mid range jumper, great contest by Dudley
- Fadeaway jumper, contested by Dudley
- Basline fadeaway, that's pretty much unguardable, contested by Frye
- Tough mid range jumper, contested by Frye and Dudley
- Double team comes, turns hits jumper, over contested Hill and Frye
- Jumper on Hill, ridiculously difficult, great contest by Hill



All this for:

33.7pts 7.2reb 8.3ast 52%fg

I would say his playoff performances should not be dismissed so easily. They were great. As is Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

Everybody knows that you're just saying that to not draw attention to the obvious fact that you are AlphaWolf.

Keep being a defensive ******, AlphaWolf. :oldlol:


Damn son!...you just can't keep my name outta your KUmDumpster can you?


aint no one me but me....(bumps chest)


next

[Legends66NBA7]

Dwayne Wade vs Boston Celtics

33.2PPG 6.8APG 5.6RPG 0.564FG% 405(3P%) 1.6BPG 1.6SPG amazing perfomance :bowdown: :bowdown:

Lebron James vs Boston Celtics

26.8PPG 7.3APG 9.3RPG 0.447FG% 269(3P%) 1.3BPG 2.2SPG

Kobe Bryant vs Boston Celtics

28.6PPG 3.9APG 8.0RPG 0.405FG% .319(3p%) 0.7BPG 2.1SPG

Now tell me how Kobe Bryant has worse stats than Lebron James?


This is a great point you bring up.

However, you have to look at the scenarios of each of those rounds, which is further from the stats. Kobe was banged up the whole year with that knee. Wade, while played great in Game 4, really were out of it by then. I don't think the Celtics were fearing nothing from Wade alone.

Same goes with LeBron. He had a great game 3, but he checked out after Game 5. His Game 6, isn't has great has his triple double suggests. I felt there no impact made LeBron that much. It just felt he wasn't in it. I

can't say the same for Kobe though. Remember, context. You have to realize that Kobe was going to get drained from the long playoff run eventually as he did run into damn good defense. Add in the knee injury, Kobe did have some great games in game 1, 5, and 6. The rest was medicore, followed by Game 7. Though, you have to give Kobe credit for mixing it up in there, fighting for rebounds, hitting freethrows,etc.. Also keep in mind Kobe is doing this on his 3 straight finals trip + the olympics.

I don't think 2010 Finals was that great by any means. But putting it all together, you have to give Kobe credit for being the leader and giving it is all, even if he was missing a lot shots. Something I can't really say about LeBron in the playoffs, IMO.

[Legends66NBA7]

Typical sour-puss angry with being out-classed. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Think he will respond to my post ? I think he was selling Kobe too short...

[Bigsmoke]

I'm trying to think how Wade was better than LeBron in both 2009 and 2010.

Double standerds maybe?

[JordanTime]

I'm trying to think how Wade was better than LeBron in both 2009 and 2010.

Double standerds maybe?

it's debateable in both year. But Lebron James is my pick for those two seasons.

Kobe fans probably think Kobe was better than both Wade and Lebron in 09 and 10.

[Legends66NBA7]

it's debateable in both year. But Lebron James is my pick for those two seasons.

Kobe fans probably think Kobe was better than both Wade and Lebron in 09 and 10.

Well yes it is all pretty debatable. I think everyone will just go with their own opinions and all. I look it like this:

2008: Kobe. LeBron played well, had a better line, but Kobe was doing a bit more of everything that year, picke up his defense, and the time playoffs came along, he turned it up.

2009: Tie, slightly favourable to Kobe. LeBron had competition form both Wade and Kobe (more from Wade) but he had that MVP on lock, 66+ wins, one of the greatest playoff runs i've seen. Kobe was on mission, though. He had a fantastic playoff run as well and after 2009 Finals, Kobe finally got his as the leader.

2010: Tie again, slightly favourable to Kobe. LeBron dominated the regular season again, unanimous MVP for me. But, checked out in the Finals (elbow injury too, but here is an inside look into Game 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

Kobe again took his team to the promised land and won another title. Though not as spectacular as the year before, he got another ring to add to his growing legacy.

2011: LeBron. Even with the horrible finals, LeBron was the better player regular seasona and playoffs than Kobe. Kobe is also on the decline.

2010"

[Da Heroic One]

Well yes it is all pretty debatable. I think everyone will just go with their own opinions and all. I look it like this:

2008: Kobe. LeBron played well, had a better line, but Kobe was doing a bit more of everything that year, picke up his defense, and the time playoffs came along, he turned it up.

2009: Tie, slightly favourable to Kobe. LeBron had competition form both Wade and Kobe (more from Wade) but he had that MVP on lock, 66+ wins, one of the greatest playoff runs i've seen. Kobe was on mission, though. He had a fantastic playoff run as well and after 2009 Finals, Kobe finally got his as the leader.

2010: Tie again, slightly favourable to Kobe. LeBron dominated the regular season again, unanimous MVP for me. But, checked out in the Finals (elbow injury too, but here is an inside look into Game 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

Kobe again took his team to the promised land and won another title. Though not as spectacular as the year before, he got another ring to add to his growing legacy.

2011: LeBron. Even with the horrible finals, LeBron was the better player regular seasona and playoffs than Kobe. Kobe is also on the decline.

2010"
Would you say LeBron James is the best player in the league for 2011?

[Bigsmoke]

it's debateable in both year. But Lebron James is my pick for those two seasons.

Kobe fans probably think Kobe was better than both Wade and Lebron in 09 and 10.

I'm just saying why Wade better in 09 only because of his regular season but yet also better than Lebron in 2010 because of what he did to the Celtic in a 5 game series that they lose in. Wade dissappointed me for not taking over game 2 when KG wasn't playing and let Ray Allen eat his ass up

[Legends66NBA7]

Would you say LeBron James is the best player in the league for 2011?

To be honest, for 2011 ?

Before the Finals ? I would have said LeBron James.

After ? I would have to go with Dirk Nowitzki. Has the most consistent run in both the regular, playoffs, and finals.

If there is a question of who is the best player in Miami, then I have to say it's LeBron James. Why ? Though it was relatively close between them at the end of the year and even though James played horrible in the finals, he was clearly their best player throughout the regular season and playoffs before the finals.

However, you're best player can't be the best player in every series though, that includes the Finals. And it's not the first time it's happened before. My pick for the best player on Miami from here on out is LeBron James. He still the younger player, the more durable player, more things he can improve, etc..

[JordanTime]

I'm just saying why Wade better in 09 only because of his regular season but yet also better than Lebron in 2010 because of what he did to the Celtic in a 5 game series that they lose in. Wade dissappointed me for not taking over game 2 when KG wasn't playing and let Ray Allen eat his ass up

you have to ask these other posters on here.

I have Lebron James as the best player in the NBA from 08-present.

[Lebron23]

2008-2010 - Undisputed Best Player in the Association
2011 - Tied with Wade

[Miller for 3]

He had a small case in 2009, but choked it away. 08 was the 4th best player, 10 was the 3rd best, and this year was the 4th best player.

[lolokay]

diid this NUKKA just say 2009 lebron choked it away? you do you know he had an insane series right? they lost because orlando posed way too much mismatch problems for the cavs. damn near 40 8 8 per game in that series with a ****ing insane 37 PER

[Da Heroic One]

2008-2010 - Undisputed Best Player in the Association
2011 - Tied with Wade
lol at undisputed, you are such a ****ing moron. :oldlol:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Ya'll are about to make LeBron23 break his keyboard :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

lol at undisputed, you are such a ****ing moron. :oldlol:


Back to Back MVP
30/8/7

He still put up Superstars numbers in the playoffs. LeBron actually played better than Kobe against the 2009 Orlando Magic and 2010 Boston Celtics. It's not his fault that his supporting casts were outplayed by their counter parts.

[Da Heroic One]

Back to Back MVP
30/8/7

He still put up Superstars numbers in the playoffs. LeBron actually played better than Kobe against the 2009 Orlando Magic and 2010 Boston Celtics. It's not his fault that his supporting casts were outplayed by their counter parts.
That's still not undisputed dumb shit. Better numbers don't mean anything if they don't lead to wins. Kobe won, LeBron didn't.

Deal with it.

[Miller for 3]

diid this NUKKA just say 2009 lebron choked it away? you do you know he had an insane series right? they lost because orlando posed way too much mismatch problems for the cavs. damn near 40 8 8 per game in that series with a ****ing insane 37 PER

you didn't watch teh series. Lebrick played no defense. The Cavs hid him on the worst PG in the league, Rafer Alston, and he still got lit up. And who can forget the last 5 minutes of game 5 where he had like 5 turnovers. the Magic's gameplan was to let him get his, but stop his teammates, and it worked. if they tried that shit on Kobe or Wade they would have averaged 45+ ppg with their advanced offensive skillsets. I didn't expect Lebrick fans to have actually watched the series. Most of you were probably jerking off to his 2006 PER or some shit while the game's were happening

[Lebron23]

That's still not undisputed dumb shit. Better numbers don't mean anything if they don't lead to wins. Kobe won, LeBron didn't.

Deal with it.


Kobe was not the best player in the NBA in 2005 and 2006 because his team got eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. By the way Good luck winning another playoffs series without Phil Jackson.

[Da Heroic One]

He's not the best player in the NBA in 2005 and 2006 because his team got their a$$ kicked in the first round of the playoffs. Good luck winning another playoffs series without Phil Jackson.
Who the **** is talking about 2005 and 2006?

Kobe wasn't the best either one of those seasons either but he was the best in 2009 and 2010.

[Lebron23]

Who the **** is talking about 2005 and 2006?

Kobe wasn't the best either one of those seasons either but he was the best in 2009 and 2010.


The kobetards claimed he was the best player in 2005 and 2006.

[Da Heroic One]

The kobetards claimed he was the best player in 2005 and 2006.
What about the morons that lived in Lebrickville like you?

[Lebron23]

What about the morons that lived in Lebrickville like you?


butt hurt.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Miller for 3]

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted, is still no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

The good new is that he has now choked elsewhere and we no longer have to pay his medical services to get the doctors to revive him every other game.

You can take that to the bank.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

[Legends66NBA7]

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted, is still no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

The good new is that he has now choked elsewhere and we no longer have to pay his medical services to get the doctors to revive him every other game.

You can take that to the bank.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

Tell Dan Gilbert to start building a great team again.

His love obessession for LeBron has gone on far enough.

[Lebron23]

Tell Dan Gilbert to start building a great team again.

His love obessession for LeBron has gone on far enough.


I hope LeBron buys the team someday. I bet LeBron is going to be a better team owner than Gilbert. Dan needs to focus on rebuilding his team, and forgetting about the past.

[nbacardDOTnet]

I hope LeBron buys the team someday. I bet LeBron is going to be a better team owner than Gilbert. Dan needs to focus on rebuilding his team, and forgetting about the past.

has had no financial head and IQ. (typical no brainer lebron fan so no wonder tho) :oldlol:

lebron won't make enough money to buy entire team to be owner.

lebron won't be one of the rich like Paul Allen or Mark Cuban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRvGWabINn8

[Sakkreth]

How is the dictatorship down in wherever the **** you are living in?

You don't know where I live, yet you claim that there's dictatorship where I live. Very smart, your IQ is definetly high. My country is democratic btw.

[alenleomessi]

15 pages? what the hell happened?

[Ruutu]

Why do you guys answer to the thread like this ? :D

[Jacks3]

He was indisputably the best in 09 and 2010 with a great argument for 2008 as well. Stop the hate!

[pauk]

lol..... he was always the most productive player in the NBA since his 2nd year in the NBA, the most productive player both in season & playoffs.............. :confusedshrug:

dunno who else could have been better..... unless you overrate team accomplishments (think that it is the act of ONE MAN) or hate lebron.. or both....

in that case.. Rip Hamilton or Chauncey Billups was the best..... then Tony Parker or Tim Duncan was the best... then Paul Pierce or Rondo was the best.. then Kobe or Gasol was the best.... then Dirk nowitzki or Jason Terry or Jason Kidd was the best..... :facepalm

[knicksman]

diid this NUKKA just say 2009 lebron choked it away? you do you know he had an insane series right? they lost because orlando posed way too much mismatch problems for the cavs. damn near 40 8 8 per game in that series with a ****ing insane 37 PER

Because his stats are empty:confusedshrug:

[Bigsmoke]

That's still not undisputed dumb shit. Better numbers don't mean anything if they don't lead to wins. Kobe won, LeBron didn't.

Deal with it.

They lost because everybody else on the Cavs didn't show up not because of Lebron. But whatever, you're lame ass do nothing in life but think of reasons to hate on dude.

[Xover]

HE ain't the best but he's got the moves like jagger, he's got the moves like jagger