Boxing VS. MMA

[Go Getter]

I have a few questions:

-Is it me or are most MMA fighters pretty sloppy punchers in comparison?

-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?

-Has MMA topped boxing fan-wise? Do you think it will soon?

[Go Getter]

MMA is big out here man they have underground fights all over (at clubs).

[Go Getter]

Yes, boxers are definitely better...boxers


I said punchers....sloppy punchers. You don't have to be a pro boxer to know how to throw crisp combos and cover up. They are still pro fighters regardless.

[donald_trump]

i just want to point out something to those who aren't exactly fans of both, or particularly not fans of mma.

with mma, you are never going to get the same style of punching as you do in a boxing ring. the reason? the gloves are smaller, so you do more damage with punches that don't land as flush, hence fighters are more inclined to throw punches in areas that usually wouldn't even be scored in boxing, since they are still going to hurt.

i think if you put a boxer into a fight, and not a boxing match, the way he punches would change slightly. the skills would transfer over obviously, but they wouldn't fight the same way.

if you want to see some of the better stand up fighters, take a look at junior dos santos, and the more recent cain velasquez fights.

2. boxers would most definitely be better mma fighters than vica versa. this is without any training, and stepping into the ring first fight. a boxer could come in and knockout the best fighter in the business, where as an mma guy would just get picked apart in the boxing ring.

3. i don't think its particularly close i fanship. i still think boxing is far and above more popular, though mma is steadily gaining while boxing is at a standstill.

[johndeeregreen]

Apples and oranges really. I do know for certain that I would rather watch a good boxing match 10 times out of 10 than an MMA tilt.

[IamSofaKing]

-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?
[B]Boxers have a better chance succeeding in the Octagon than an MMA fighter would in a boxing ring. MMA fighters don't seem to have enough stamina to stand and fight one style for 12 rounds. A lot of the wins are via TKO ground and pound or TKO ref stoppage. You don't see one punch or two-three combo knock outs that much. Just my opinion though but I'm only a casual MMA fan I could be wrong.[B]



Umm what?

MMA fighters have way more stamina than Boxers. Try grappling or wrestling, that'll tire the fck out of you. Boxers only stand and exchange. MMA fighters have to worry about stand up, take downs, submissions, clinches etc which expends more energy.

[Go Getter]

Umm what?

MMA fighters have way more stamina than Boxers. Try grappling or wrestling, that'll tire the fck out of you. Boxers only stand and exchange. MMA fighters have to worry about stand up, take downs, submissions, clinches etc which expends more energy.


Just by the looks of it though the average boxer is in better shape imho.

[bdreason]

I have a few questions:

-Is it me or are most MMA fighters pretty sloppy punchers in comparison?

-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?

-Has MMA topped boxing fan-wise? Do you think it will soon?


1. You can't use a boxing stance in MMA, unless you want to get taken down at will. Strike strategy is also different, as the likelyhood that one punch ends the fight is higher. Very few MMAists utilize a good jab, for example.

2. Wrestling is, without a doubt, the most important aspect of MMA. In general, it's easier to teach someone to punch than to wrestle. However, it all really depends on the fighter.

3. MMA is beating boxing if we're talking about total PPV buys and general social appeal.

[Ass Dan]

Boxing is dead. MMA is where it is at.

[RedBlackAttack]

Boxing is dead. MMA is where it is at.
Yes... Boxing is so dead, its last PPV event did better than any MMA PPV event ever.

[donald_trump]

3. MMA is beating boxing if we're talking about total PPV buys and general social appeal.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

i wont bother to respond to this. ppv numbers show the exact opposite.

[Brujesino]

I have a few questions:

-Is it me or are most MMA fighters pretty sloppy punchers in comparison?

-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?

-Has MMA topped boxing fan-wise? Do you think it will soon?
1.Do you mean people who just throw wild and crazy looping punches?Yes there are alot of those even some top guys throw wild and anything but technical strikes.

Or do you mean that they simply look odd?If so then they look odd because of the fighting stance.Take a look and James toney's stance in his lone mma fight.He has a semi traditional boxers stance(i guess for it be full his right leg would be further in)Look how easily Randy took him down by just grabbing one ankle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_g9sJ4bK5Q

Anyways you have to stand diffrent in mma with mroe of a wide straight forward stance(Although everyone has their diffrent stance).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wn8_c9d_Dg

withing the minute explains another reason why the boxing stance wont work in mma.

Like someone else said earlier in this thread the little gloves play a big factor in the way they throw punches as well.

2.IMO if you would teach an elite boxer some average takedown defense and average sub defense he would be dominant in mma.

3.The only time i hear about boxing is when Mayweather and Pac fight.While i hear about MMA everytime there is an event.I just prefer MMA.

[bdreason]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

i wont bother to respond to this. ppv numbers show the exact opposite.



You won't respond, because you're wrong. While Boxing still has some huge PPV events, MMA has been posting more PPV buys than Boxing for 3 or 4 years now. Here are some recent stats for you.

In 2009 the figures looked like this

Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009

1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million

3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon

4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys

5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000

6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000

7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000

7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000

9. UFC 99: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000

10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys

UFC had 6 boxing 3 and WWE 1



in 2010

1. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley, May 1, 1.4 million buys

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito, Nov. 13, 1,150,000 buys

3. UFC 116: Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin, July 3, 1,100,000 buys

4. UFC 114: Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans, May 29, 1,050,000 buys

5. UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, Oct. 23, 1,000,000 buys

6. UFC 124: Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck, Dec. 11, 785,000 buys

7. UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy, March 27, 770,000 buys

8. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey, March 13, 700,000 buys

9. UFC 107: Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen, Aug. 7, 600,000 buys

10. UFC 118: Frank Edgar vs. B.J. Penn/Randy Couture vs. James Toney, 535,000 buys



Year To date PPV's from each perspective combat league as of October 5th 2011

UFC Pay Per View Buys = 3,840,000

Boxing Pay Per View Buys = 2,950,000

WWE Pay Per View Buys = 2,800,000**

** ('Night of Champions' PPV and 'Hell In A Cell' PPV not included)

In one night Floyd Mayweather jumped past WWE in the PPV Race and closed the gap between Boxing and UFC. With 4 PPV's left on the UFC Calendar and Brock Lesnar headlining the last show of the year it appears if UFC will pull away in a close one. Boxing has to rely on Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson, Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito to do huge numbers because we all know Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez is good for 1.3 million and above. The hot ticket for WWE is the Return of the Rock @ Survivor Series which may do anywhere between 800k - 1.2 million.

[donald_trump]

so on average, boxing does get more views. hence it being more popular, as the ppv's state.

[bdreason]

so on average, boxing does get more views. hence it being more popular, as the ppv's state.


Whatever helps you sleep at night homie.

[donald_trump]

Whatever helps you sleep at night homie.

you said its winning in general social appeal. clearly its not. more people on average watch boxing, hence it is more popular. thats it. theres no debate about it. the numbers you provided state this. :oldlol:

[Ass Dan]

Yes... Boxing is so dead

QFT

that river in Egypt is about to dry up and in a generation, boxing will be as popular as petanq.

[dkmwise]

Don't know why this is such a debate, as a boxing and mma fan this ppv thing is pretty obvious. Mayweather and Pacman are themselves bigger draws than anyone else and they alone being on a card will outdraw any UFC. So big time boxers are still the biggest, howver mma as a sport in general is a much bigger draw than boxing. The UFC alone puts on about 20 events per year now that all draw more viewers than any non mayweather/pac boxing event, not to mention all the internation mma organizations, Dream cards in Japan get a good amout of ppv buys too. And now UFC is on Fox and being advertised aggressivly during Fox programming including NFL games. So single event boxing is still on top, span of a year and mma is on top



And to the other points, boxers and mma fighters are in equally great shape. MMA striking is just different, not sloppy. MMA fighters could translate into boxing better than vice-versa, boxers would get taken down and pounded out at will, they would lose in 10 seconds. MMA fighters still couldn't beat any top boxers, but they could hold their own for longer.

[L.Kizzle]

You won't respond, because you're wrong. While Boxing still has some huge PPV events, MMA has been posting more PPV buys than Boxing for 3 or 4 years now. Here are some recent stats for you.

In 2009 the figures looked like this

Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009

1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million

3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon

4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys

5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000

6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000

7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000

7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000

9. UFC 99: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000

10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys

UFC had 6 boxing 3 and WWE 1



in 2010

1. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley, May 1, 1.4 million buys

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito, Nov. 13, 1,150,000 buys

3. UFC 116: Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin, July 3, 1,100,000 buys

4. UFC 114: Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans, May 29, 1,050,000 buys

5. UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, Oct. 23, 1,000,000 buys

6. UFC 124: Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck, Dec. 11, 785,000 buys

7. UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy, March 27, 770,000 buys

8. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey, March 13, 700,000 buys

9. UFC 107: Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen, Aug. 7, 600,000 buys

10. UFC 118: Frank Edgar vs. B.J. Penn/Randy Couture vs. James Toney, 535,000 buys



Year To date PPV's from each perspective combat league as of October 5th 2011

UFC Pay Per View Buys = 3,840,000

Boxing Pay Per View Buys = 2,950,000

WWE Pay Per View Buys = 2,800,000**

** ('Night of Champions' PPV and 'Hell In A Cell' PPV not included)

In one night Floyd Mayweather jumped past WWE in the PPV Race and closed the gap between Boxing and UFC. With 4 PPV's left on the UFC Calendar and Brock Lesnar headlining the last show of the year it appears if UFC will pull away in a close one. Boxing has to rely on Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson, Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito to do huge numbers because we all know Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez is good for 1.3 million and above. The hot ticket for WWE is the Return of the Rock @ Survivor Series which may do anywhere between 800k - 1.2 million.
MMA holds way more events than boxing. There was a UFC PPV last night and they just had one two weeks ago. Boxing has two more left this year that featured 2 other previous PPV if I can remmber correctly (Manny/Mosly and the recent Mayweather match, so that's 5 PPVs for boxing in one year.) Hell, there are not even promoting the PPV for next week with Hopkins/Dawson yet they already started heavy on Manny/Marqez duringv the Mayweather fight last month.

[Go Getter]

1. You can't use a boxing stance in MMA, unless you want to get taken down at will. Strike strategy is also different, as the likelyhood that one punch ends the fight is higher. Very few MMAists utilize a good jab, for example.

2. Wrestling is, without a doubt, the most important aspect of MMA. In general, it's easier to teach someone to punch than to wrestle. However, it all really depends on the fighter.

3. MMA is beating boxing if we're talking about total PPV buys and general social appeal.


Thanks man, your explanation on #1 was the best I've read so far.

[L.Kizzle]

Also, aren't MMA prices considerably lower in cost than a boxing match. The Mayweather fight was $70 and the Jones/Rampage the next week was $45 am I right?

[JaskoX1]

If you like to watch cavemen fight, MMA is for you.

[dkmwise]

If you like to watch cavemen fight, MMA is for you.

Cavemen? I George Forman guarantee the top MMA fighters have higher IQ's than the top boxers.

Cavemen, what a joke, you need to get a clue bro

[JohnnySic]

Why do they call it "Mixed Martial Arts"? I see very little in the way of "martial arts". What I do see is two meatheads beating the tar out of each other. I guess "MMA" is catchier than "TMBTTOOEO"

[dkmwise]

Why do they call it "Mixed Martial Arts"? I see very little in the way of "martial arts". What I do see is two meatheads beating the tar out of each other. I guess "MMA" is catchier than "TMBTTOOEO"

There is a simple explanation why you don't see it. Your simply not smart enough when it comes to martial arts to know what your looking for. Take a bjj or muay Thai or wrestling class and then you will notice all the little things they are doing with their footwork and guard and takedown defences. There is so much more to think about that in boxing. Look at the top guys over the years like Randy Couture, Rich Franklin, GSP, Kenny Florian. These are all incredibly smart people.

[imlmf]

LOL at those people saying boxers are "smarter", boxers wouldn't last a minute in an MMA fight

[nathanjizzle]

boxers would do better in the octagon then mma fighters in the boxing ring.

[jamal99]

boxers would do better in the octagon then mma fighters in the boxing ring.
Boxers would get taken down and subbed easily, while mma fighters would last more in ring. Boxers would do better if they learn TD defense and sub defense tho.

And of course boxers are better punchers. They train only punching, no kicks, no takedowns, no submissions, no clinch, no knees or elbows.
That's like comparing basketball player to a guy who only shoots 3s. Bball player trains all around basketball (shooting, dribbling, speed, strength), but a guy who shoots 3s trains only shooting his whole life. He'd probably be better 3pt shooter than bball player, but he'd get destroyed in 1 on 1 bball game versus the same guy...

[Jackass18]

I have a few questions:

-Is it me or are most MMA fighters pretty sloppy punchers in comparison?

Different sports, different stances. Obviously, the boxing in MMA won't look nearly as good as it does in boxing. Fighters have so many more things to worry about in MMA, and they have many more things to work on in training so they spend less time training it than boxers.


-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?

Boxers. They would have a puncher's chance while an MMA fighter would have to become more refined with their boxing.


-Has MMA topped boxing fan-wise? Do you think it will soon?

No. Don't know.

[DropStep]

I love when people talk badly about things they dont know shit about.

[Jackass18]

Yes... Boxing is so dead, its last PPV event did better than any MMA PPV event ever.

I'm hearing only 850k, so you might want to rephrase that.

[Vragrant]

Boxers are specialists so the striking is better than in MMA when it comes to punching.

Compared to boxers, the average MMA fighter just can't throw a punch properly. The only fighters who I consider great strikers are BJ Penn/Rampage Jackson and Anderson Silva (who was an amateur boxer in Brazil).

It also amazes me how fast someone can compete in MMA on an elite level in such a short period of time. That just doesn't happen in boxing. You need to be training and competing the sport for years. I don't know why its different in MMA.

[Jackass18]

Compared to boxers, the average MMA fighter just can't throw a punch properly. The only fighters who I consider great strikers are BJ Penn/Rampage Jackson and Anderson Silva (who was an amateur boxer in Brazil).

It also amazes me how fast someone can compete in MMA on an elite level in such a short period of time. That just doesn't happen in boxing. You need to be training and competing the sport for years. I don't know why its different in MMA.

Not sure if serious on both of those things.

[DropStep]

Boxers are specialists so the striking is better than in MMA when it comes to punching.

Compared to boxers, the average MMA fighter just can't throw a punch properly. The only fighters who I consider great strikers are BJ Penn/Rampage Jackson and Anderson Silva (who was an amateur boxer in Brazil).

It also amazes me how fast someone can compete in MMA on an elite level in such a short period of time. That just doesn't happen in boxing. You need to be training and competing the sport for years. I don't know why its different in MMA.
The majority of MMA fighters have a martial arts base which they practiced and competed in for years. There isnt a single martial art called "MMA"( even though them Greg Jackson guys have developed some monkey-fu style that be considered a new martial resulting from MMA). You have to train in specific arts invidually to improve. MMA has so many factors that can change a fight where as boxing has a few. Alistar Overeem is the 2010 K-1 Kickboxing champion yet he got out striked by Werdum in MMA.

Rampage is power puncher if you want technical high level strikers look up Anderson Silva (He combines Muay Thai,Boxing, Wing Chun, Capoeira,Tae kwondo) Anthony Pettis (Taekwondo),Thiago Alves, Edson Barboza(Muay Thai),Cung Le(Sanshou, Flashy Shit),Marcus "Lelo" Aurelio(Capoeira) and Lyoto Machida( Karate).

Its hard to train one aspect your entire life then have learn a whole new realm in order compete against someone who has trained in that realm their entire life. Pride and K-1 used to have 'freak show" fights where a boxer faced a kickboxer. The boxer would get tooled because he now has to deal with a whole new realm in kicks. Kicks coming in every direction and him unable to defend, find his timing or even throw a proper kick usually results in the boxer getting Knocked Out.

Eventually more popular boxers will cross over to MMA and you will see what im talking about.

[HenryGarfunkle]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WetYBFsi9jQ/UAiLy8fl_FI/AAAAAAAAANo/1jhZftO_G08/s1600/gsp+ufc+mma+champ.jpg


GOAT fighter

[iamgine]

-Do you think the average boxer would be a better MMA fighter or vice versa?

The average MMA fighter would be a better boxer. Why? Because at least the MMA fighter has learnt how to box properly.

It would be very easy for any MMA fighter to take down someone who only knows how to box, unless they stupidly try to outbox the boxer like Rousey. Watch one of the greatest boxer Muhammad Ali completely dominated by a Japanese wrestler.

[BurningHammer]

Watch one of the greatest boxer Muhammad Ali completely dominated by a Japanese wrestler.
You mean Ali vs Inoki? That was a stupid fight from the start with all those rule changes before the fight, mostly from Ali's camp.

[FKAri]

Well, a former world-class female boxer just beat the crap out of the GOAT female just proved my point that boxers can last in the Octagon. Most MMA fighters would be scrubs in a boxing ring.

Rousey wouldn't have much of a career in a boxing ring.

And world-class boxers will always be looked as real athletes way more than UFC fighters do. Just look at their paychecks. UFC fighters won't crack $1 million in a title fight. A no-name boxer challenging a world champ will make around $2-$5 million just for that title fight regardless.

Ya..with a kick...:oldlol: fucc outta here

[Bobcats2013]

The average MMA fighter would be a better boxer. Why? Because at least the MMA fighter has learnt how to box properly.


You really don't understand how difficult boxing is to learn. There's a reason why these guys are in MMA and not boxing. Especially considering boxing is where all the big money is at and they're begging for new stars to come in.

Holm is proving the point loud and clear.

[FKAri]

The kick was the knock out blow but Holly's left hook to the face stunned Ronda, got her on her knees. Tries to stand up and got kicked in the face. If that kick didn't end Ronda, it would have been another hook to the face.

Most of Holly's work in the fight had more boxing style than anything else.

If Holly couldn't defend the take downs she wouldn't have had a chance. Boxing alone isn't gonna cut it at this level. That's the point. However, women's boxing is far ahead of WMMA and Holly's a great boxer. Holly came in with actual skills along with Jackson's great prep on how to actually beat Ronda's style.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Ya..with a kick...:oldlol: fucc outta here
Ronda was ready to go well before that kick. It was Holly's vastly superior boxing that softened her up.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It's not as hard to learn how to defend takedowns if you're a boxer than it is for MMA competitors to learn a stand-up game
This. HH took up MMA at 30, yet she was able to nullify the attack of an Olympic Bronze medalist and win the belt. She has maybe 5 years of experience training in MMA?

Think Ronda could win a boxing title with five years of training? :no:

[FKAri]

It's not as hard to learn how to defend takedowns if you're a boxer than it is for MMA competitors to learn a stand-up game

This is the truth right here.


You really don't understand how difficult boxing is to learn. There's a reason why these guys are in MMA and not boxing. Especially considering boxing is where all the big money is at and they're begging for new stars to come in.

Holm is proving the point loud and clear.

But no one's coming up and the few who are, are being absorbed by shitty promoters. It's a sad state of affairs. I follow MMA more than boxing for basically the last 3-4 years. MMA is fun to watch too but the sport's still young and not nearly as sophisticated.

[SCREWstonRockets]

You won't beat a boxer at their own game. Stupid game plan by Ronda but props to her for going out on her shield.

As far as boxing vs mma goes, boxing won this round

[TonyMontana]

-Has MMA topped boxing fan-wise? Do you think it will soon?

Easily. The reason is because most boxing matches today are ONLY between midget 130 pound mexicans.

Every match turns into a boring lame defensive struggle between two midgets with noone knocking anyone out or making big plays. The appeal is just not that high.

MMA is just way more exciting. More fast spaced, more happens, more stars.

[iamgine]

You mean Ali vs Inoki? That was a stupid fight from the start with all those rule changes before the fight, mostly from Ali's camp.
Yeah they had all these restrictions on Inoki and he still dominated Ali.