US Media: Deron Williams Struggles in Europe (VIDEO)

[Euroleague]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/32537274


Sounds like a great vacation, right? See the sights, try local food, experience a new culture. And hey, play some basketball with guys who aren't even in your league. You can drop 40 a game if you really want to, but you won't, because you're a guest in their country.

Turns out it's not quite that easy for Deron Williams with Besiktas in Turkey.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will’s debut for Besiktas he was 3 for 15 shooting.

Williams told the New York Times that he's getting bumped around so much, it's difficult for him to adjust. So to review, he can't hit shots, and the guy who's less than four months removed from wrist surgery is getting lots of contact without an NBA training staff around.

That sound you hear is Mikhail Prokhorov saying "No, really, 52 percent BRI is fine!"


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/06/deron-williams-not-impressing-anyone-in-europe-so-far/


Deron Williams has not looked good. At all.

There is no sugar coating it. A few games in playing for Turkish side Besiktas, the biggest name in the NBA to sign overseas has not impressed anyone.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will’s debut for Besiktas he was 3 for 15 shooting.

The man the Nets are talking about building around is getting bumped around, reports the New York Times. The physical play allowed in Europe seems to throw Williams off his game.

Asked if he was still adjusting to the European game, Williams said: “I mean, I’ve played in a lot of European basketball. I’ve played in the Olympics. But this is definitely different. The way the reffing has been going has been different for me, but I’ve got to adjust.”

Williams also looks out of shape, tweeted Jonathan Givony of Draft Express, something echoed by others watching the feed of the game.

It is all something that should concern Nets fans. It in no way is time to panic — he’s playing his way into shape and getting his skills sharp just being out on the court — but it’s something to watch. After playing through injuries last season and missing the end of the year, Williams is still trying to find his groove.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/feed/2011-07/nba-overseas/story/deron-williams-besiktas-ousted-in-eurocup-qualifier


Deron Williams, Besiktas ousted in EuroCup qualifier

Deron Williams’ stint with Besiktas is not off to a good start, as the Turkish team was eliminated from EuroCup competition, via a 74-63 loss to Dexia Mons-Hainaut in Belgium. Besiktas won the first game of the home-and-home qualifier by eight points, so Dexia Mons advances based on aggregate scores.

Williams, who signed a $5 million deal with Besiktas this summer, had just seven points, on 3-for-13 shooting, and seven assists, Draft Express’ Jonathan Givony reports via Twitter. He also has and six turnovers.

“Mons just beating the crap out of Besiktas,” Givony, watching the game on an Internet feed, wrote. “This is embarrassing. Up by 17, 3:28 left. Entire team's budget=1/3rd of Deron Williams' salary.”

Williams, Givony added, played “like he's being paid by Mons.”


VIDEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UvoxICwt8g

[oolalaa]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/32537274


Sounds like a great vacation, right? See the sights, try local food, experience a new culture. And hey, play some basketball with guys who aren't even in your league. You can drop 40 a game if you really want to, but you won't, because you're a guest in their country.

Turns out it's not quite that easy for Deron Williams with Besiktas in Turkey.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will

[G-train]

Man I hope the shot clock was expiring on that first shot.

[Euroleague]

Maybe they don't have the no hand checking rules over there

:roll:

They don't. Williams confirmed to US media what I have been saying here for years. Team USA gets special reffing and treatment when they play in Olympics and FIBA.

Other teams are NOT allowed to play physical with them.

It's nothing remotely similar to European club basketball, where American players are not given special treatment and where the physical play standard is the same, regardless of what country you are from.

But NBA only fans still cling to this ridiculous notion that somehow the Olympics or FIBA, where Team USA gets special treatment, somehow would be proof that any NBA player would "automatically dominate the Euroleague".

It's total nonsense and totally illogical, and Williams himself even acknowledged that the physical play in European club basketball is much harder than what the refs allow against Team USA.

No team has been allowed to play team USA with a physical style since that loss to Greece in 2006. It's a simple fact and Williams confirmed that by noting how much more contact the refs allow in European club basketball than they do against Team USA.

This is why NBA only fans using Team USA play as a way to "gauge the level of the Euroleague" is totally ridiculous and has no merit.

[ballinhun8]

Struggling because he's out of shape and coming off wrist surgery???



I dont believe that would happen.




Btw what is a "Eurocup"?? Is there an "Asiacup"? "Africup"?

[Euroleague]

Struggling because he's out of shape and coming off wrist surgery???



I dont believe that would happen.




Btw what is a "Eurocup"?? Is there an "Asiacup"? "Africup"?

Actually, officially, he was playing in EuroChallenge games. The qualifiers for Eurocup, are organized by EuroChallenge. US media got that wrong, but it's a minor detail.

[Da Heroic One]

How many MVPs does Anthony Parker have in the Euroleague?

[Euroleague]

How many MVPs does Anthony Parker have in the Euroleague?

Derrick Rose = NBA MVP

[Da Heroic One]

Derrick Rose = NBA MVP
That doesn't answer my question, how many MVPs does Anthony Parker have in the Euroleague?

[Rooster]

Deron Williams struggled against a team full of Americans.

Now after he went up agains a soft Euros, he put up 22 points against a Euroleague team

And Basically abused the TMac of Europe and held him scoreless.

And still he's out of shape.

[Heavincent]

Crazed troll.

[Heavincent]

Derrick Rose = NBA MVP

Rose is damn good player.

[G-train]

Deron Williams struggled against a team full of Americans.

Now after he went up agains a soft Euros, he put up 22 points against a Euroleague team

And Basically abused the TMac of Europe and held him scoreless.

And still he's out of shape.

dude that didnt happen in that friendly game, you be trollin.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

That doesn't answer my question, how many MVPs does Anthony Parker have in the Euroleague?

He won't answer :oldlol:

[cteach111]

the truth is Deron is overrated. He was a scrub on team USA.

[andgar923]

the truth is Deron is overrated. He was a scrub on team USA.

Truth is, NBA has been modified to allow perimeter players to excel.

Although Deron does need to adjust and may not be 100%, physical contact (hand checking) clearly plays a role in reducing a player's effectiveness.

I might be wrong, but I think that's one of the main points Euroleague has been trying to troll... I mean make. And he's 100% spot on in that aspect.

[Tide]

From the video it sure seemed like it was just D-Will sucking ass and it had nothing to do with tough D.

He missed two open shots, two free throws, and a layup.

The first shot could be categorized as tough D, but it was just a dumb shot.


I don't know why you get so hard off an NBA player not doing well overseas.

There are plenty of European players that came to the NBA and didn't play well and we don't make threads about that.

[Rooster]

From the video it sure seemed like it was just D-Will sucking ass and it had nothing to do with tough D.

He missed two open shots, two free throws, and a layup.

The first shot could be categorized as tough D, but it was just a dumb shot.


I don't know why you get so hard off an NBA player not doing well overseas.

There are plenty of European players that came to the NBA and didn't play well and we don't make threads about that.

The only reason he's trying to make a big deal out of it is his hero Vassilis Spanoulis failed on passing towels in the NBA.

Now that scrub went back to where he belong, he's trying to convince himself that NBA and Euroleague are equal.

The reality is when you have guys like Anthony Parker dominating Europe and scrubs like NBA drop outs Langdon, Edney, Batiste, Marcus Brown making noises in Euroleague, you have to against your common sense.

[G-train]

Vassilis Spanoulis is a brilliant player. If you cant see that you have no basketball IQ at all.

[Heavincent]

Wasn't Vassilis Spanoulis one of the worst PG's in NBA history?

2.7/0.9/0.7 on 31% shooting :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rooster]

Vassilis Spanoulis is a brilliant player. If you cant see that you have no basketball IQ at all.

Brilliant where? In Europe, that does not say a lot sorry.

He was a turnover waiting to happen.

He was Van Gundied for his own good.

[Rooster]

Wasn't Vassilis Spanoulis one of the worst PG's in NBA history?

2.7/0.9/0.7 on 31% shooting :roll: :roll: :roll:

LMAO. Also not counting the countless times he got abused defensively. It could have been worse if he played more.

[Euroleague]

Deron Williams struggled against a team full of Americans.

Now after he went up agains a soft Euros, he put up 22 points against a Euroleague team

And Basically abused the TMac of Europe and held him scoreless.

And still he's out of shape.

Deron Williams has only played the official games in question. Friendly scrimmages do not count as "official games". Nice troll attempt though.

[Euroleague]

The only reason he's trying to make a big deal out of it is his hero Vassilis Spanoulis failed on passing towels in the NBA.

Now that scrub went back to where he belong, he's trying to convince himself that NBA and Euroleague are equal.

The reality is when you have guys like Anthony Parker dominating Europe and scrubs like NBA drop outs Langdon, Edney, Batiste, Marcus Brown making noises in Euroleague, you have to against your common sense.

Anthony Parker never dominated Euroleague. You are trolling again.

[Heavincent]

Hey Euroleague, that Vassilis Spanoulis guy was pretty good in the NBA, huh?

2.7/0.9/0.7 on 31% shooting

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Anthony Parker never dominated Euroleague. You are trolling again.

How many Euroleague MVPs does Anthony Parker have?

[Heavincent]

Anthony Parker never dominated Euroleague. You are trolling again.

Says the guy that has the title "crazed troll" under his username.

[ballup]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10519040.jpg

[Rooster]

Anthony Parker never dominated Euroleague. You are trolling again.

2 MVPs
2 Euroleague Title
All Decade team
35 greatest Euro player of all time

Enough said

[SuperPippen]

Wait, wait, wait.........

Anthony Parker has won the Euroleague MVP not once, but twice!?!?!

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/4mceko5.gif

[Rooster]

Deron Williams has only played the official games in question. Friendly scrimmages do not count as "official games". Nice troll attempt though.

LMAO. It's all FRIENDLY GAMES for Deron Williams.

[bdreason]

Wrong forum.

[xcesswee]

Hey Euroleague, you obviously have more knowledge about basketball than everyone on this board. I have a question, how many euroleague mvps did Anthony Parker get?

[OmniStrife]

Hey Euroleague, you obviously have more knowledge about basketball than everyone on this board. I have a question, how many euroleague mvps did Anthony Parker get?
Anthony Parker was beasting during those 2 seasons, he's just a shadow of the player he was on Maccabi.

[Euroleague]

Wait, wait, wait.........

Anthony Parker has won the Euroleague MVP not once, but twice!?!?!

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/4mceko5.gif

Derrick Rose won the NBA MVP. What exactly is your point?

[Dizzle-2k7]

I must say I am surprised..

Deron Williams is a Grade-A superstar. The way David Stern has hyped the NBA, Deron Williams should be dropping 40 with one leg and one eye in the Turkey league..

Lets go DWILL step ur shit up.

[Euroleague]

LMAO. It's all FRIENDLY GAMES for Deron Williams.

Keep up with the BS excuses.

[Euroleague]

I must say I am surprised..

Deron Williams is a Grade-A superstar. The way David Stern has hyped the NBA, Deron Williams should be dropping 40 with one leg and one eye in the Turkey league..

Lets go DWILL step ur shit up.

Actually, he was playing against a team from Belgium. He has not started his Turkish League season yet.

[sundizz]

Honestly, this is ridiculous. We are using a sample size of a few games to bash a player who is coming off surgery and not in great shape at the moment. Give him a 20-30 game sample and he'll be back to his completely dominant self. Cp3 sucked in that Rec game and no one cares. And he isn't a selfish player, it is unlikely he will pad his stats that way. He'll just play in the flow of the game and get 20-25, 10-12, or wtv prime awesome Euro level #'s are. He can't outpace the game played, nor the style.

[Rooster]

Honestly, this is ridiculous. We are using a sample size of a few games to bash a player who is coming off surgery and not in great shape at the moment. Give him a 20-30 game sample and he'll be back to his completely dominant self. Cp3 sucked in that Rec game and no one cares. And he isn't a selfish player, it is unlikely he will pad his stats that way. He'll just play in the flow of the game and get 20-25, 10-12, or wtv prime awesome Euro level #'s are. He can't outpace the game played, nor the style.


Actually he played against a Belgian team full of American in that very first 2 games.

Right after that, he played against those soft Euros and dropped 22.

Last game he dropped 15 and feeding another scrub Samih Erden for 5 assist.

[Rooster]

Keep up with the BS excuses.

LMAO, Deron Williams will be in the NBA as soon as the lockout ends. Why would he risk an injury anyway. He has bigger fish to fry.

He can messed around and abused soft Euros like VSpan anytime.

He should leave the job to scrubs like Langford, McCalleb and Batiste. Guys who has to go to Europe because NBA did not bother.

[inclinerator]

he's fat

[HylianNightmare]

i'm pretty sure there is an asia cup right?

[HylianNightmare]

and why the hell is all that eurocup, eurobasket, eurochallenge shit so complicated, why isn't there one league??

[MaxFly]

2 MVPs
2 Euroleague Title
All Decade team
35 greatest Euro player of all time

Enough said

This can't be true. lol

[amfirst]

Bumping and hand checking is differents. Only idiots think grabbing and bumping is the same as hand checking.

[coin24]

Thats why european basketball is shit. Boring and unathletic, people holding each other etc..
The fact that only one poster continually has to stick up for it is a joke.

The 20 levels of competition is fkn annoying also. Whats with all the stupid cups? Also euroleague, you seem to be obsessed with the euro game only, why post on a mainly nba forum? Stick the euroleague up your ass no one gives a shit about a league that Anthony Parker is the 2 time MVP of:lol

[Nick Young]

Refs letting Deron get raped over there to push their anti-american agenda, what a corrupt organization the Turkish basketball league is:facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

From the video it sure seemed like it was just D-Will sucking ass and it had nothing to do with tough D.

He missed two open shots, two free throws, and a layup.

The first shot could be categorized as tough D, but it was just a dumb shot.


this.
pretty obvious he was just having a tough game. I still wanna see Dwight in the Euroleague to see him dominate.

[Euroleague]

and why the hell is all that eurocup, eurobasket, eurochallenge shit so complicated, why isn't there one league??

There are dozens of countries and leagues in Europe. The population is also 3 times bigger than USA. The economy is bigger than the US economy.

There are hundreds of pro basketball clubs in Europe.

This cannot be incorporated into one league. It does not take a lot of brain power to grasp that.

[Nick Young]

There are dozens of countries and leagues in Europe. The population is also 3 times bigger than USA. The economy is bigger than the US economy.

but the basketball is three times worse:roll:

[Euroleague]

Refs letting Deron get raped over there to push their anti-american agenda, what a corrupt organization the Turkish basketball league is:facepalm

He didn't even play a game in the Turkish League yet .

[Scratchs]

He didn't even play a game in the Turkish League yet .

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: owned

[Euroleague]

Bumping and hand checking is differents. Only idiots think grabbing and bumping is the same as hand checking.

FIBA competitions and the Olympics do not allow bumping. But bumping is usually allowed in European club basketball.

[millwad]

Nikos Galis is american.

[Euroleague]

Nikos Galis is american.

Dirk Nowitzki is German.

And actually, "Nick Galis" is American. Nikos Georgalis is Greek.

[pauk]

Btw what is a "Eurocup"?? Is there an "Asiacup"? "Africup"?

You know..... just like any "2girlz1cup" and so on...

[824]

Every post this guy makes I swear. Euroleague, you are absolutely delusional, hopefully when you are an adult you aren't so nuts. You aren't persuading anyone, NOBODY is changing their view of european basketball here because of your rambling bullshit, you know why? Because people can smell you're full of shit a mile a way, everything you say is completely wack. Are you on some sort of psychotic crusade to change American perception or what? Do you understand any of these words?

[Rooster]

After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.

[mattvNJ]

After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.

someone how euroleague will twist this sayingg it doesn't count and spew out some bs facts. But none the less glad he's starting to find a rhythm

[Rent]

After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.

Was it against Euroleague competition? If it wasn't, then no one cares. A guy putting up 24 and 10 in the D-League is not impressive. Why would it be any different in inferior leagues like Eurocup or Eurochallenge?

The only pro league that matters outside the NBA competition wise is the Euroleague. Unless an NBA player is playing in this league, you shouldn't bother posting stats.

[Quickening]

I am from Europe, everyone knows the best players are in the NBA... it is obvious players coming from the NBA may initially at least be less effective that usual, as they have to adapt to the differing rules on contact etc.

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/32537274


Sounds like a great vacation, right? See the sights, try local food, experience a new culture. And hey, play some basketball with guys who aren't even in your league. You can drop 40 a game if you really want to, but you won't, because you're a guest in their country.

Turns out it's not quite that easy for Deron Williams with Besiktas in Turkey.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will

[Rooster]

Was it against Euroleague competition? If it wasn't, then no one cares. A guy putting up 24 and 10 in the D-League is not impressive. Why would it be any different in inferior leagues like Eurocup or Eurochallenge?

The only pro league that matters outside the NBA competition wise is the Euroleague. Unless an NBA player is playing in this league, you shouldn't bother posting stats.

You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.

[Rent]

You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.

There have been a lot of scrubs and NBA dropouts who haven't done anything in Euroleague or Europe. What's your point?

Williams' struggles thus far prove that the Euroleague is quality competition. It may not be on the level of the NBA, but it's getting there.

[Euroleague]

someone how euroleague will twist this sayingg it doesn't count and spew out some bs facts. But none the less glad he's starting to find a rhythm

It was a friendly game genius. An unofficial practice scrimmage.

[Euroleague]

You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.

He has only played 2 actual games. Not one of the games you are citing were real games.

[Rooster]

He has only played 2 actual games. Not one of the games you are citing were real games.

How many times I gotta tell you none of his Euro games are real. Just like Ice Cube say, he was just messing around and will get a triple double. ha ha ha.

Deron Williams is getting paid while working out and rounding into shape. FTW.

[Rooster]

There have been a lot of scrubs and NBA dropouts who haven't done anything in Euroleague or Europe. What's your point?

Williams' struggles thus far prove that the Euroleague is quality competition. It may not be on the level of the NBA, but it's getting there.

Euroleague is the 2nd best competition as far as leagues but I see more raw talents in NCAA.

If an NBA dropout cant play in Europe then they need to find another way of living, simple as that.

[Rooster]

It was a friendly game genius. An unofficial practice scrimmage.

Keep VSpan away from DWill. We might see DWill smashing a tomato can with an ankle breaker move. hi hi hih hih

[Euroleague]

Keep VSpan away from DWill. We might see DWill smashing a tomato can with an ankle breaker move. hi hi hih hih

Williams didn't even get past Manztaris, a 21 year old 3rd string point guard of Olympiacos. He was struggling to even score against him.

He had to get his offense against 20 year old 4th string Olympiacos point guard Katsivelis.

The standard of NBA only fans for American NBA players "dominating in Europe" = scoring points against a 4th string 20 year old point guard (Katsivelis) in a FRIENDLY practice scrimmage.

According to NBA only fans that = even GOAT status in European basketball history.

This is such a comedy that it's almost too bizarre to even comprehend just how insanely delusional NBA only fans really are.


What's really hilarious though is that not one of you NBA only fans has the IQ to grasp that official Euroleague games are coming soon, with numerous NBA players playing in them. You seem to not even grasp just how much your delusional world is about to crumble.

[Rooster]

Williams didn't even get past Manztaris, a 21 year old 3rd string point guard of Olympiacos. He was struggling to even score against him.

He had to get his offense against 20 year old 4th string Olympiacos point guard Katsivelis.

The standard of NBA only fans for American NBA players "dominating in Europe" = scoring points against a 4th string 20 year old point guard (Katsivelis) in a FRIENDLY practice scrimmage.

According to NBA only fans that = even GOAT status in European basketball history.

This is such a comedy that it's almost too bizarre to even comprehend just how insanely delusional NBA only fans really are.


What's really hilarious though is that not one of you NBA only fans has the IQ to grasp that official Euroleague games are coming soon, with numerous NBA players playing in them. You seem to not even grasp just how much your delusional world is about to crumble.

DWill was having his way against those Olympiakos. He struggled against Americans but put those Euros on him, he will be man among boys.

Who cares about Euroleague games, Tony Parker was torching everyone at Eurobasket and did not even bother. Good thing VSpan punked out, he would be a victim as well.

[Nick Young]

After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.
Out of shape Deron hardly trying>any player in Europe, even the great Bo McCalleb

[Euroleague]

DWill was having his way against those Olympiakos. He struggled against Americans but put those Euros on him, he will be man among boys.

Who cares about Euroleague games, Tony Parker was torching everyone at Eurobasket and did not even bother. Good thing VSpan punked out, he would be a victim as well.

Katsivelis is 20 years old and a 5th string PG of Olympiacos. That's who Williams scored almost all his points against. In a FRIENDLY game.

And no one in Europe cares about NBA games.

[millwad]

Katsivelis is 20 years old and a 4th string PG of Olympiacos. That's who Williams scored almost all his points against. In a FRIENDLY game.

And no one in Europe cares about NBA games.

I am in Europe and I don't care about Euroleague games.. Talk for yourself and talk for Arkansas, you're not even European..:facepalm

[RintjeRitsma]

I care about NBA games. Why? Because like Vassilis Spanoulis sad: "The best players in the world are there."

[Euroleague]

I care about NBA games. Why? Because like Vassilis Spanoulis sad: "The best players in the world are there."

Noah said Europe has the best players in the world.

What is your point?

[Euroleague]

I am in Europe and I don't care about Euroleague games.

No one in Sweden knows a thing about basketball.

[RintjeRitsma]

What's my point? That I take the opinion of Spanoulis more serious. Don't you?

What's your point? You say that nobody in Europe cares about NBA games. That's not true; I care, as does Spanoulis.

Making comments like you do about Sweden doesn't promote your argument either.

[Euroleague]

What's my point? That I take the opinion of Spanoulis more serious. Don't you?

What's your point? You say that nobody in Europe cares about NBA games. That's not true; I care, as does Spanoulis.

Making comments like you do about Sweden doesn't promote your argument either.

Spanoulis does not care about the NBA. I happen to know he has not even seen an NBA regular season game in several years and he has not seen more than a handful of NBA playoff games in several years.

[AirTupac]

Spanoulis does not care about the NBA. I happen to know he has not even seen an NBA regular season game in several years.

I saw him watching one 6 months ago.

[RintjeRitsma]

"I happen to know he has not even seen an NBA regular season game in several years and he has not seen more than a handful of NBA playoff games in several years."

Now your just reaching. #fail

[L8kersfan222]

No one in Sweden knows a thing about basketball.


Racist phagg0t ban plz

[Euroleague]

"I happen to know he has not even seen an NBA regular season game in several years and he has not seen more than a handful of NBA playoff games in several years."

Now your just reaching. #fail

No I'm not. If you can write in Greek you can talk to Spanoulis at his website blog.

[RintjeRitsma]

Which still isn't an argument for Spanoulis not caring about the NBA. That's the point!! I'm in Europe and watching NBA games isn't easy. Only some sunday games and MLK day games don't kill your next day.

The best players in in the sport he loves and plays all day, play (to his own account) in de NBA. There is no way he doesn't care about the NBA. Even you know that..

[Rooster]

Which still isn't an argument for Spanoulis not caring about the NBA. That's the point!! I'm in Europe and watching NBA games isn't easy. Only some sunday games and MLK day games don't kill your next day.

The best players in in the sport he loves and plays all day, play (to his own account) in de NBA. There is no way he doesn't care about the NBA. Even you know that..


Europe basketball is exciting. I saw Sasha Vujavic posterizing someone over there. The Machine is killing it. Even Ammo is killing it. It was not too long ago that both of these guys were passing towels at the end of the Lakers bench.

Deron Williams is still out of shape. Right now, he is just playing with half of his ability. He's pouring it against Euro bums and most of the time he is just setting up his teammates. He probably can't wait till the lockout is over.

[Rooster]

Spanoulis does not care about the NBA. I happen to know he has not even seen an NBA regular season game in several years and he has not seen more than a handful of NBA playoff games in several years.

Yes you were hugging his nuts 24-7 and that is why you know all these things.


NBA and Vassilus Spanoulis should not be used in the same sentence. It's embarrassing for NBA to mention a waterboy was once a NBA player.

[PK3434]

Katsivelis is 20 years old and a 5th string PG of Olympiacos. That's who Williams scored almost all his points against. In a FRIENDLY game.

And no one in Europe cares about NBA games.

:oldlol: why are teams carrying five point guards over there??

[Euroleague]

Which still isn't an argument for Spanoulis not caring about the NBA. That's the point!! I'm in Europe and watching NBA games isn't easy. Only some sunday games and MLK day games don't kill your next day.

The best players in in the sport he loves and plays all day, play (to his own account) in de NBA. There is no way he doesn't care about the NBA. Even you know that..

I think he is a little more concerned with playing his own team games than setting up all night to watch NBA games...especially when his team might be playing that day.

[Euroleague]

:oldlol: why are teams carrying five point guards over there??

Well, that team has injury problems with other players being out. They would probably move the 5th PG once those other players come back.

[Euroleague]

Europe basketball is exciting. I saw Sasha Vujavic posterizing someone over there. The Machine is killing it. Even Ammo is killing it. It was not too long ago that both of these guys were passing towels at the end of the Lakers bench.

Deron Williams is still out of shape. Right now, he is just playing with half of his ability. He's pouring it against Euro bums and most of the time he is just setting up his teammates. He probably can't wait till the lockout is over.

Vujacic has only played preseason games so far. Morrison does not even play in Euroleague. Again, what is your point?

[RintjeRitsma]

I think he is a little more concerned with playing his own team games than setting up all night to watch NBA games...especially when his team might be playing that day.

That's indeed the piont I made about the irrelevants of him not watching NBA games. Glad you get it now! The fact that he cares about the NBA speaks loudly in his comment about the best players in the sport he loves.

[millwad]

Vujacic has only played preseason games so far. Morrison does not even play in Euroleague. Again, what is your point?

Amazing thread, Euroleague/Arkansaleague.

[Rooster]

Vujacic has only played preseason games so far. Morrison does not even play in Euroleague. Again, what is your point?

I forgot Jordan Farmar. Someone gave him a starting gig. Face palm. Lakers garbages are being recycled in Europe. FTW.

[outbreak]

Anyone arguing that the NBA is not the best league talent wise is a complete idiot. On the flip side of that anyone arguing that the Euro league is not a high quality league, even if it is below the NBA, is also an idiot.

[RoseCity07]

Whenever I read that a good player in the NBA is struggling in Europe it makes me wonder if maybe they got too much special treatment in the NBA. How many times do we see stars pick up 2 quick fouls, and then never get called for another one until the 4th quarter? I think maybe in Europe we actually get to see just how good these player really are without the babying they get over her in the NBA.

That can't be good for the NBA's image. It draws attention to to the fact that stars get treated differently in the NBA, and don't get pampered to in Europe. Is the NBA softer? I think everyone is seeing that the answer is a resounding yes. It also calls into question if the reason the NBA refs favor stars is because they have an agenda. If they do, which is already the suspicion of many NBA fans, it makes the NBA more of an opera than a sport.

[Soothing Layup]

Whenever I read that a good player in the NBA is struggling in Europe it makes me wonder if maybe they got too much special treatment in the NBA. How many times do we see stars pick up 2 quick fouls, and then never get called for another one until the 4th quarter? I think maybe in Europe we actually get to see just how good these player really are without the babying they get over her in the NBA.

That can't be good for the NBA's image. It draws attention to to the fact that stars get treated differently in the NBA, and don't get pampered to in Europe. Is the NBA softer? I think everyone is seeing that the answer is a resounding yes. It also calls into question if the reason the NBA refs favor stars is because they have an agenda. If they do, which is already the suspicion of many NBA fans, it makes the NBA more of an opera than a sport.

This.

[B-Easy8]

Whenever I read that a good player in the NBA is struggling in Europe it makes me wonder if maybe they got too much special treatment in the NBA. How many times do we see stars pick up 2 quick fouls, and then never get called for another one until the 4th quarter? I think maybe in Europe we actually get to see just how good these player really are without the babying they get over her in the NBA.

That can't be good for the NBA's image. It draws attention to to the fact that stars get treated differently in the NBA, and don't get pampered to in Europe. Is the NBA softer? I think everyone is seeing that the answer is a resounding yes. It also calls into question if the reason the NBA refs favor stars is because they have an agenda. If they do, which is already the suspicion of many NBA fans, it makes the NBA more of an opera than a sport.

I agree.

If the NBA got rid of superstar calls, letting players get away with travels and allowing the players to be more physical the league would be amazing.

[Whatfoul?]

Actually, officially, he was playing in EuroChallenge games. The qualifiers for Eurocup, are organized by EuroChallenge. US media got that wrong, but it's a minor detail.


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[Nero Tulip]

I agree.

If the NBA got rid of superstar calls, letting players get away with travels and allowing the players to be more physical the league would be amazing.

Well, since we're allowed to ignore the competition of retards between Euroleague and Rooster, I agree and that's one big difference between Europe and the NBA.

People who watch the Euroleague tend to be real basketball fans, whereas David Stern knows that if he gives up on the casual viewers he's ****ed. That's why he'll never do what you ask. In Europe however, they never had to change the rules to let overhyped guards with the IQ of an oyster dominate the game, and it wouldn't make any difference.

That's why I don't dislike the current system, where you have 2 very high level leagues, with the NBA having more talent but also being a little bit of a joke sometimes.