Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

[winwin]

we know Lebron came up short in the Finals and almost everyone blamed him 100% ... but

Miame Heat was crusing in the playoffs crushing teams when Lebron was leading the team

in the Finals Wade decided he's getting FMVP .. yelling at Lebron then Lebron's reaction (passive play) as if saying ''ok Wade i'll show you that you can't win it without me''

in short: chimestry out - ego in

the team was doing great why the change?




How much do you blame Wade?

[guy]

Cause you could never question Wade's effort at all in those Finals and no matter how bad Wade ever played in the playoffs, you could never argue at any time that the Heat would've been better off without him.

And if it was ever confirmed that Lebron's passive play was because of Wade yelling at him, then he should be getting alot more blame for being that mentally weak.

[winwin]

let's be honest .. if Lebron was -let- leading in the finals and did the same thing hi did in Bulls/ C's serieses and got FMVP we all going to point at Wade as a sidekick .. and believe me (wade) guman ego would not like that

[Legends66NBA7]

I think he should have gotten just as much blame if not more, really.

Why ? Everyone is saying this is "Wade's Team" right ? So why not ? Yeah, he did perform better, but that doesn't mean his stats necessarily tell the whole story.

There was a lot of time I thought he was playing well, but it seemed that he wasn't showing up in the cruch time or missing badly late in the quarter.

If it's "Wade's Team" they should blame him just as much.

[Odinn]

Why didn't Spoelstra get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

[guy]

let's be honest .. if Lebron was -let- leading in the finals and did the same thing hi did in Bulls/ C's serieses and got FMVP we all going to point at Wade as a sidekick .. and believe me (wade) guman ego would not like that

Wade had no problem doing that the last series or the whole regular season where he averaged less points and assists and let Lebron take almost every game winning attempt. He didn't stop trying and playing uninspired basketball.

[winwin]

Why didn't Spoelstra get ANY blame for losing the Finals?
that too ..
30% lebron 30% wade 40% Spo and Pat

[Bigsmoke]

i guess its ok to be called a superstar when putting up 17 points on 6/16 shooting with 5 turnover in a eliminating game?

Mario Chalmers in game 6 > Wade

[Legends66NBA7]

i guess its ok to be called a superstar when putting up 17 points on 6/16 shooting with 5 turnover in a eliminating game?

Mario Chalmers in game 6 > Wade

+1.

[Dragonyeuw]

i guess its ok to be called a superstar when putting up 17 points on 6/16 shooting with 5 turnover in a eliminating game?

Mario Chalmers in game 6 > Wade

Fair enough, out of interest how many points did Lebron score in totality in the 4th quarter?

[RRR3]

Fair enough, out of interest how many points did Lebron score in totality in the 4th quarter?
For what it's worth he scored 7 in the 4th quarter of game 6. Obviously LeBron sucked in the Finals, just pointing out that he had two okay games (1 and 6, half of game 2 lol).

[donald_trump]

because wade put up the best finals performance in a losing team ever.

27ppg on 55% shooting. thats why he doesnt get any blame. because he performed up to standard if not better. lebron fell off.

[Doranku]

Wait, LeBron was "leading the team" against the Eastern Conference?

Wade had one bad series against the Bulls. He and LeBron were about equal against Philly, and then Wade went OFF against Boston for:

38/1/5/3/2
28/8/3/1
26/6/7/1/1
28/9/4/1
34/10/5/4

And then we all know about happened against Dallas. Wade had 5 straight good to great performances while LeBron shriveled away and cost his team a ring.

Wade had 5/6 good to great performances against Dallas.
LeBron had 5/6 average to poor performances against Dallas.

And you wonder why Wade isn't getting the blame? :facepalm

[Doranku]

because wade put up the best finals performance in a losing team ever.

27ppg on 55% shooting. thats why he doesnt get any blame. because he performed up to standard if not better. lebron fell off.

Jerry West says hi.

[Legends66NBA7]

Jerry West says hi.

Yeah, seriously:

42 points, 13 rebounds and 12 assists in Game 7 and they lose. Wade can't even touch that from 2011.

[donald_trump]

Jerry West says hi.

i thought it was even better than wests performance.

[DaPerceive]

The amount of blame that Wade deserves at the most is like 5%. Wade was the best player in that series and that includes Mavericks players. Wade probably should have won the finals MVP. Dirk won the Mavericks the series because of his clutch contributions but he wasn't that impressive in the 1st 3 quarters. Wade was impressive throughout the entire game in almost every game AND he contributed on both ends of the floor. I remember there was like a 2 minute stretch where he was making plays on both offense and defense. Finishing layups and dunks on offense, making momentum swinging blocks on defense, dishing off fast break assists, I mean really he was doing everything for the Heat in that series.

[jlip]

Because criticizing only Lebron was an epidemic that spread like wildfire after July 8, 2010. All the energy and attention placed on castigating Lebron when he "failed" blinded people to the failures of other players. Lebron was called a "punk", searching for the easy way out by going to play on "Wade's team", but Wade received no criticism for recruiting the two time league MVP to come to Miaimi and rejoicing on national TV like a 10 year old kid at Christmas when the announcement was made.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but all of a sudden several players' reputations in certain areas of the game were enhanced because of the "criticize Lebron" plague. Players who have come up short multiple times recently or finally have their 1st winning season are suddenly and miraculously considered the models of "clutch", "killer insitinct", and "mental tounghness" when Lebron "fails". Wade is just one of the many players who benefitted from this. He was often let off the hook because it was the

[guy]

Because criticizing only Lebron was an epidemic that spread like wildfire after July 8, 2010. All the energy and attention placed on castigating Lebron when he "failed" blinded people to the failures of other players. Lebron was called a "punk", searching for the easy way out by going to play on "Wade's team", but Wade received no criticism for recruiting the two time league MVP to come to Miaimi and rejoicing on national TV like a 10 year old kid at Christmas when the announcement was made.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but all of a sudden several players' reputations in certain areas of the game were enhanced because of the "criticize Lebron" plague. Players who have come up short multiple times recently or finally have their 1st winning season are suddenly and miraculously considered the models of "clutch", "killer insitinct", and "mental tounghness" when Lebron "fails". Wade is just one of the many players who benefitted from this. He was often let off the hook because it was the

Or maybe because Lebron stopped trying, played uninspiringly, and had the worst Finals in history for a superstar of his caliber? Could that be it?

[Dragonyeuw]

For what it's worth he scored 7 in the 4th quarter of game 6. Obviously LeBron sucked in the Finals, just pointing out that he had two okay games (1 and 6, half of game 2 lol).

If only he had done that over the course of the series, Heat 2011 champs?

[Deuce Bigalow]

i thought it was even better than wests performance.

West - 38 PPG
42/13/12 in Game 7

Wade - 26.5 PPG

[97 bulls]

I'm trying to figure out why no one is questioning why wade didn't pick up either terry or jj berea. That could've been a huge swing for the heat. And to be honest, that's where the heat lost the series. Sure Dirk hit a few big shots towards the end, but they did a relatively good job on him. It was terry and berea that killed them.

[jlip]

Or maybe because Lebron stopped trying, played uninspiringly, and had the worst Finals in history for a superstar of his caliber? Could that be it?

I think that you missed the point of my post. My post was about the fact that Wade especially (and other players) for the entire season, even before the Finals, was not receiving criticism for having the same failures as Lebron. The fact that he wasn't criticized for being "the man" and losing the Finals is just reflective of what was happening all season long.

[donald_trump]

West - 38 PPG
42/13/12 in Game 7

Wade - 26.5 PPG

look at the discrepancy in pace and also the fact that the last finals were one of the slowest and lowest scoring ever.

[Deuce Bigalow]

look at the discrepancy in pace and also the fact that the last finals were one of the slowest and lowest scoring ever.


Game Date Home Team Result Road Team
Game 1 April 23 Los Angeles Lakers 120–118 (1-0) Boston Celtics
Game 2 April 25 Los Angeles Lakers 118–112 (2-0) Boston Celtics
Game 3 April 27 Boston Celtics 111–105 (1-2) Los Angeles Lakers
Game 4 April 29 Boston Celtics 89–88 (2-2) Los Angeles Lakers
Game 5 May 1 Los Angeles Lakers 117–104 (3-2) Boston Celtics
Game 6 May 3 Boston Celtics 99–90 (3-3) Los Angeles Lakers
Game 7 May 5 Los Angeles Lakers 106–108 (3-4) Boston Celtics

like a 10% higher pace

38 ppg x .90 = 34.2 ppg

or on a 20% less pace

38 ppg x .80 = 30.4 ppg

[Dragonyeuw]

I think that you missed the point of my post. My post was about the fact that Wade especially (and other players) for the entire season, even before the Finals, was not receiving criticism for having the same failures as Lebron. The fact that he wasn't criticized for being "the man" and losing the Finals is just reflective of what was happening all season long.

Maybe because Lebron is held to a higher standard. While Wade's considered one of the best shooting guards ever, Lebron's name is being tossed around in the upper echelon of players who have played the game. We spend time arguing whether Wade is better than Iverson or a prime Tmac, while Lebron is being called the greatest player ever by Scottie Pippen. Fair or not, it's more glaring when Lebron fails, then when Wade fails. We expect more of him. And let's be honest, Lebron after the 2010 playoffs meltdown made a conscious decision to join a team with one superstar and one very good player. He went off on his 'not 2, not 3, not 5, not 7' tangent. He said it's going to be 'easy' once they learn to play together. Much of these criticisms, while in some cases over the top, are self-inflicted wounds.

And, it's the second successive post-season where Lebron has just faltered, for reasons unknown. In 2010 it was the 'elbow injury' which you never heard anymore about after the Cavs lost in 2010, in 2011 it was ......? The guy was having a great playoff run, with spectacular series against Boston and Chicago, both teams being better defensively than the Mavs. So it begs the question of just 'what' happened in the finals. He came into the series on a major high. There was no 'elbow injury'. The Mavs certainly didn't present the defensive challenge Chicago did. What happened? The guy scored 18 points in six 4th quarters. 18!And that was only bolstered by scoring 7 points in game 6 4th quarter, until that point he had scored 11 4th quarter points through game 5. How can someone of Lebron's stature, of his greatness which he JUST showed us the series before, play that weak? It's unconscionable.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1969 Finals
Lakers avg PPG - 105.7

2011 Finals
Heat avg PPG - 92.3

38/105.7 = 35.9%

26.5/92.3 = 28.7%

Jerry West's PPG with 92.3 team points is 33.1

[pauk]

because wade put up the best finals performance in a losing team ever.

lol @ this... just shows how much you know about basketball history... ZERO


27ppg on 55% shooting. thats why he doesnt get any blame. because he performed up to standard if not better. lebron fell off.

Lebron took much less shots, he averaged more rebounds, assists and so on... so what?

I couldnt care less what they produced when they BOTH choked in the clutch.... despite Wade scoring more points than Lebron in Finals, Wade was actually not able to close a single game out........ but Lebron did that in Game 1....

so much for stats when you cant close a game out....

Wade was also HORRIBLE in Game 5 & Game 6.... remember?

Nobody cared about Wade... it was all about Lebron.... he got all the Blame.....

acting like if he averaged a 30 point triple double they would have won.... did you see the ECF against Magic? He averaged almost a 40 point triple double against them................. people still bashed him saying: "Lebron statpadded/ballhoged and thats why they lost".... :facepalm

Wade didnt recieve ANY blame even in the ECF against Bulls where he played worse than Lebron did in the Finals.... but they won because Lebron played great..... when Lebron plays bad and Wade plays great they still LOOSE............ which shows who is more important to the team...

[donald_trump]

1969 Finals
Lakers avg PPG - 105.7

2011 Finals
Heat avg PPG - 92.3

38/105.7 = 35.9%

26.5/92.3 = 28.7%

Jerry West's PPG with 92.3 team points is 33.1

from what i read, apart from game 1, 2 and 7 west shot extremely poorly and had a lot of turnovers throughout the series.

wade went up against kidd and marion most of the time who are regarded as good defenders, while west abused sam jones most of the series.

[Bigsmoke]

Fair enough, out of interest how many points did Lebron score in totality in the 4th quarter?

more than Wade.

6/16 shooting with 5 turnovers when your season is on the line deserves some criticism

[Dragonyeuw]

more than Wade.

6/16 shooting with 5 turnovers when your season is on the line deserves some criticism

So you're saying Wade scored less than 18 4th quarter points? How many did he score then? And if less, why has Lebron been getting creamed all summer for his 'no-shows' in the 4th quarter? Which, I suppose, plays into your main point.

[donald_trump]

lol @ this... just shows how much you know about basketball history... ZERO

outside of jerry wests performance, name me one better. Go!




Lebron took much less shots, he averaged more rebounds, assists and so on... so what?

were supposed to say thats fine because he was scared to take over unlike wade?


I couldnt care less what they produced when they BOTH choked in the clutch.... despite Wade scoring more points than Lebron in Finals, Wade was actually not able to close a single game out........ but Lebron did that in Game 1....

thats all you care about. production. thats all we see from you. PER this, PER that. *Insert another production stat*
you conveniently skip over lebrons failures in the clutch when it suits you to look at production.

wade demolished lebron in terms of performance in the finals. lebron was a nobody. wade was the only thing keeping the heat afloat.


so much for stats when you cant close a game out....

you're the one that kept saying to give the ball to lebron in the clutch in the game threads. they did that, and lebron failed. how are you going to blame wade when he isnt the one taking them down the stretch? thats what lebrons there for, to finish games, and he didnt do that.


Wade was also HORRIBLE in Game 5 & Game 6.... remember?

23 points and 8 assists is horrible? especially after injuring himself and coming back on the court. he was the heats best player.


Nobody cared about Wade... it was all about Lebron.... acting like if he averaged a 30 point triple double they would have won.... did you see the ECF against Magic? He averaged almost a 40 point triple double against them................. people still bashed him saying: "Lebron statpadded/ballhoged and thats why they lost".... :facepalm

i dont care. he played great then. now he played terrible, and he deserves it.

[DMV2]

Forget the stats, just look at the way Wade & LeBron played. 6/16 isn't great but neither was Dirk in Game 6.

Overall, Wade came to the Finals to play and compete, while LeBron only showed up in Game 1 and the first half of Game 6. Where was he from games 2 to 5?

Their body language and demeanor showed more about how they played than their actual stats.

[pauk]

Forget the stats, just look at the way Wade & LeBron played. 6/16 isn't great but neither was Dirk in Game 7.

Overall, Wade came to the Finals to play and compete, while LeBron only showed up in Game 1 and the first half of Game 6. Where was he from games 2 to 6?

Their body language and demeanor showed more about how they played than their actual stats.

GAME 1:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they won, he had some amazing clutch plays.

GAME 2:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse...

GAME 3:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they won, but it was Lebrons gamewinning behind the back assist to Bosh which won the game, Lebron STILL got bashed for not producing so well.

GAME 4:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse.

GAME 5:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade. The 1st Finals triple double since 1991 was now just "useless attempt by lebron", Lebron still didnt show up..... they said... yep... nobody cared about Wade.

GAME 6:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade.


LEBRON LED THEM TO 1 WIN
WADE LED THEM TO 1 WIN

WADE PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES
LEBRON PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES


dont even try to deny this... the only reason Wade averaged more points is because he SHOT MORE.... while Lebron was passing more.... thats the only difference.... they both sucked in the Clutch... thats where the game was lost......

the point is, only Lebron got the blame...

[Bigsmoke]

Forget the stats, just look at the way Wade & LeBron played. 6/16 isn't great but neither was Dirk in Game 7.

Overall, Wade came to the Finals to play and compete, while LeBron only showed up in Game 1 and the first half of Game 6. Where was he from games 2 to 6?

Their body language and demeanor showed more about how they played than their actual stats.

game 7?

if you where talking about game 6, Dirk came through when it mattered most.

[DMV2]

LeBron played great in Game 5???? :confusedshrug: Don't get it twisted, LeBron DID NOT show up in the three Dallas games.

Game 5 is the game where Wade only played 3 quarters due to injury.

[pauk]

LeBron played great in Game 5???? :confusedshrug: Don't get it twisted, LeBron DID NOT show up in the three Dallas games.

Game 5 is the game where Wade only played 3 quarters due to injury.

Since when is the 1st Finals triple double since 1991 NOT SHOWING UP? :oldlol:

What a ***ing hypocrite you are.... if you think Wade SHOWED UP but Lebron DIDNT?? The result was the same... Wade choked in the 4th... Lebron choked in the 4th.... end of story....

Wade was able to close out 1 game and Lebron was able to close out 1 game.... thats all that matters, its there they showed up... i couldnt care less who averaged more rebounds or assists or points... when the outcome is a FAIL

my point is... Wade nor Lebron did show up!

Would you say Lebron "SHOWED UP" if he averaged a 30 point triple double and still losed? I know i wouldnt........... its the OUTCOME that counts... ITS CLOSING GAMES OUT THAT COUNTS AS SHOWING UP AND NEITHER WADE OR LEBRON SHOWED UP

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron played great in Game 5???? :confusedshrug: Don't get it twisted, LeBron DID NOT show up in the three Dallas games.

Game 5 is the game where Wade only played 3 quarters due to injury.

lol @ someone having a triple double is called not showing up.

[DMV2]

I'll give him credit for the 10 rebounds but we all know his assists don't mean shit since he doesn't make his teammates better.

17 points and only 2 FTA???? Yeah, he showed up and was very aggressive!!!!

[pegasus]

lol @ someone having a triple double is called not showing up.

lol @ not watching the game. That was the emptiest, least meaningful, and most misleading triple-double of all time. He did not dominate the game, not even one second.

[pauk]

Lebron played horrible by his standards.... scoring wise at least... but he also didnt take many shots... its not like he shot 20% or something... he just didnt take that many shots....


18-7-7 stat line itself makes anybody an all-star... but by Lebron standards you expect 30-10-10... we are spoiled lol...


18-7-7 should be enough to win a championship if you have a great team....

THOSE WERE MAGIC JOHNSONS IDENTICAL NUMBERS WHEN HE WON HIS FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP

18-7-7 would be more than enough if Wade & Bosh stepped up (--->IN THE CLUTCH<---)......... like KAREEM was able to do for Magic Johnsons 18-7-7 statline


Just like LEBRON stepped up and closed out the Bulls series when WADE played horrible..... WADE was not good enough to do it for LEBRON

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron played horrible by his standards.... scoring wise at least... but he also didnt take many shots... its not like he shot 20% or something... he just didnt take that many shots....


18-7-7 stat line itself makes anybody an all-star... but by Lebron standards you expect 30-10-10... we are spoiled lol...


18-7-7 should be enough to win a championship if you have a great team....

THOSE WERE MAGIC JOHNSONS IDENTICAL NUMBERS WHEN HE WON HIS FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP

18-7-7 would be more than enough if Wade & Bosh stepped up (--->IN THE CLUTCH<---)......... like KAREEM was able to do for Magic Johnsons 18-7-7 statline

:oldlol:

1980 finals
Magic - 21.5 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 8.7 apg, 2.7 spg
42/15/7 in the clincher

dont compare lebrick to a champion magic

[Dragonyeuw]

18-7-7 stat line itself makes anybody an all-star... but by Lebron standards you expect 30-10-10... we are spoiled lol...




Lebron has set lofty standards like 38,8,8( against Orlando in 2009) so we know what he is capable of at his best. So, if I may ask without you going off on a mad tangent, why didn't we see anything approaching that level of play in the 2011 playoffs? Why did he decide to shoot so little when it's obvious the Heat needed more scoring from him?

[Deuce Bigalow]

GAME 1:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they won, he had some amazing clutch plays.

GAME 2:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse...

GAME 3:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they won, but it was Lebrons gamewinning behind the back assist to Bosh which won the game, Lebron STILL got bashed for not producing so well.

GAME 4:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse.

GAME 5:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade. The 1st Finals triple double since 1991 was now just "useless attempt by lebron", Lebron still didnt show up..... they said... yep... nobody cared about Wade.

GAME 6:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade.


LEBRON LED THEM TO 1 WIN
WADE LED THEM TO 1 WIN

WADE PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES
LEBRON PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES


dont even try to deny this... the only reason Wade averaged more points is because he SHOT MORE.... while Lebron was passing more.... thats the only difference.... they both sucked in the Clutch... thats where the game was lost......

the point is, only Lebron got the blame...

no

Lebron was better than Wade in every game except game 6

[Snicklefritz]

Please stop saying "Losed", it's "Lost".

[Deuce Bigalow]

Please stop saying "Losed", it's "Lost".

:roll:

he has to be like 13 years old

[jlip]

I'll give him credit for the 10 rebounds but we all know his assists don't mean shit since he doesn't make his teammates better.

17 points and only 2 FTA???? Yeah, he showed up and was very aggressive!!!!

That's my primary criticism of Lebron in the Finals, the lack of offensive aggressiveness. He went from attempting right at 19fgs and 9fts per game in the first 3 rounds to attempting only 15 fgs and 3fts per game! in the Finals. If memory serves me correctly, Lebron entered the playoffs as the all time leader in fta per game at over 10 attempts per game. Then all of a sudden jump shooting 6th men such as Jason Terry and Mario Chalmers actually attempt more free throws than he while playing significantly fewer minutes.

In all seriousness, I would love to hear someone from the Heat's lockeroom actually provide their take on why he was no longer aggressive. I've heard all of the ESPN and ISH reasons which normally is some variation of "a lack of 'menal toughness" or something like that. Again, I really would like to hear from the Heat lockeroom. I'm wondering whether there was actually a change of offensive strategy implemented by Coach Spoelstra or something.

[guy]

:oldlol:

1980 finals
Magic - 21.5 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 8.7 apg, 2.7 spg
42/15/7 in the clincher

dont compare lebrick to a champion magic

LOL. Looks like he took his regular season stats.

[Sakkreth]

I blame whole team. You can't win alone.

This LeBron blame was always over the top, If he doesn't go 25/10/8 or smt like that, he didn't showed up, that's quite silly if u ask me. Yes he was really bad in Finals for what he can, all blame is because u know what he's capable off. 18/7/7 could many players post even that ?

It remains to be seen if LeBron can perform in finals as good as in other playoff rounds or regular season. So far we can easily say that he can't, but he has plenty of years left.

[winwin]

Lebron has set lofty standards like 38,8,8( against Orlando in 2009) so we know what he is capable of at his best. So, if I may ask without you going off on a mad tangent, why didn't we see anything approaching that level of play in the 2011 playoffs? Why did he decide to shoot so little when it's obvious the Heat needed more scoring from him?
read the OP
it's because Wade decided to be a hero and get FMVP and hug the ball

[DMV2]

lol @ not watching the game. That was the emptiest, least meaningful, and most misleading triple-double of all time. He did not dominate the game, not even one second.
This. You wouldn't even realized he had a triple-double when you watched the game. I honestly didn't.

Again, I'm not basing this off of stats I'm basing it on what I saw in the series.

Wade was very aggressive through out the series until 2nd Half of Game 5.

[DMV2]

read the OP
it's because Wade decided to be a hero and get FMVP and hug the ball
Can you blame him though when the Mavs had no answer for him.

If he was shooting 25-35% like Kobe did in the 2004 Finals then yeah, call Wade a selfish asshole but he was actually making his shots and gutting the Mavs defense every time he drove to the rim.

[Phong]

GAME 2:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse...Gamethread: 2011 Finals Game 2 - Mavericks at Heat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225063&page=63)

Exhibit A:
Fourth quarter, Wade is dominating the Mavs and just scored 9 unanswered points to build the lead up to 15. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread just after Wade made the corner 3:
- Dallas Mavericks are Wade's personal bitches. Straight up.
- Flash on pace for that finals MVP.
- Dwayne Wade with no regard for human life!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO HEAT.
- wade having a jordanesque game
- Wade finals MVP!

Exhibit B:
With 6 minutes left and a comfortable lead, LeBron, who has yet to take a single shot or dish a singe assist in this quarter, decides to take over the game. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread:
- I have seen LeBron blow more layups this season than the previous 7 seasons combined.
- Uh oh. Lebron is ball stopping.
- LeBrick not getting Wade the ball, costing Heat a win.
- get the ball to wade....
- LeBron letting Mavs back in trying to pad his stats
- LeBron's an idiot for running the clock down.
- what is the heat doing? get the ball away from lebron and into wades hands
- So why is the retarded heat coach not having wade bring the ball up?
- I still don't understand why LeBron's running PG for so long. He wastes the clock too much.
- Lebron is going into Cavs mode.
- LeBron trying way too hard. Give the ball to Wade.
- Ugly ass offense from the Heat. Why isn't Wade demanding the ball?!?
- LeBron hoisting up stupid 3's
- Heat fcking choking to the max, James tryna be hero
- Lebron must think this is Cleveland or something. pas the fcuking ball
- they stop running their offense and play LeBron ball.
- I still don't understand why LeBron has been bringing the ball up all 4th qtr.
- WHY DID THEY GO AWAY FROM WADE
- Well done James! WTF is that guy doing there?
- What the **** is LeBron doing jacking up stupid shots? Get the ball to Wade you idiot.

Going hero-mode, ball hogging, running down the clock and hoisting stupid 3's:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/11091006154583797.gif http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910061616894863.gif
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062759736713.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062344295666.gif

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062610462956.jpg


AND YOU WONDER WHY LEBRON GOT THE BLAME? :roll:

[PowerGlove]

its gotta suck that all the hard work phong is putting in on ish will be forgotten.

[DMV2]

Good game thread bump, Phong.

Can somebody bump the game threads of Game 3, 4 and 5?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Gamethread: 2011 Finals Game 2 - Mavericks at Heat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225063&page=63)

Exhibit A:
Fourth quarter, Wade is dominating the Mavs and just scored 9 unanswered points to build the lead up to 15. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread just after Wade made the corner 3:
- Dallas Mavericks are Wade's personal bitches. Straight up.
- Flash on pace for that finals MVP.
- Dwayne Wade with no regard for human life!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO HEAT.
- wade having a jordanesque game
- Wade finals MVP!

Exhibit B:
With 6 minutes left and a comfortable lead, LeBron, who has yet to take a single shot or dish a singe assist in this quarter, decides to take over the game. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread:
- I have seen LeBron blow more layups this season than the previous 7 seasons combined.
- Uh oh. Lebron is ball stopping.
- LeBrick not getting Wade the ball, costing Heat a win.
- get the ball to wade....
- LeBron letting Mavs back in trying to pad his stats
- LeBron's an idiot for running the clock down.
- what is the heat doing? get the ball away from lebron and into wades hands
- So why is the retarded heat coach not having wade bring the ball up?
- I still don't understand why LeBron's running PG for so long. He wastes the clock too much.
- Lebron is going into Cavs mode.
- LeBron trying way too hard. Give the ball to Wade.
- Ugly ass offense from the Heat. Why isn't Wade demanding the ball?!?
- LeBron hoisting up stupid 3's
- Heat fcking choking to the max, James tryna be hero
- Lebron must think this is Cleveland or something. pas the fcuking ball
- they stop running their offense and play LeBron ball.
- I still don't understand why LeBron has been bringing the ball up all 4th qtr.
- WHY DID THEY GO AWAY FROM WADE
- Well done James! WTF is that guy doing there?
- What the **** is LeBron doing jacking up stupid shots? Get the ball to Wade you idiot.

Going hero-mode, ball hogging, running down the clock and hoisting stupid 3's:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/11091006154583797.gif http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910061616894863.gif
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062759736713.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062344295666.gif

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062610462956.jpg


AND YOU WONDER WHY LEBRON GOT THE BLAME? :roll:

:roll:

[DMV2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225455&page=101 Game 3's reactions from the last 2-3 minutes. :oldlol:

This is the game the Heat won.

[guy]

Forget the stats, just look at the way Wade & LeBron played. 6/16 isn't great but neither was Dirk in Game 6.

Overall, Wade came to the Finals to play and compete, while LeBron only showed up in Game 1 and the first half of Game 6. Where was he from games 2 to 5?

Their body language and demeanor showed more about how they played than their actual stats.

Seriously. LOL @ anyone bringing up that triple double. I remember immediately after that game, I don't think anyone said Lebron's triple double meant anything, and I don't remember any Lebron apologist having the balls to say that was actually a good game just cause he had a triple double.

Stats in general are very overrated, specifically the smaller the sample size. This especially can go for rebounds and assists in single games when alot of times players just get them from being in the right spot or making that last pass. Its not necessarily from the result of aggressiveness where a player is actually hustling and crashing the boards consistently or putting pressure on defenses and setting up his teammates. Its why sometimes when players have some great statistical rebounding or assist game, it often goes unnoticed until you actually see the end of game statline. Thats what Lebron's triple double was. On the other hand, sometimes player don't have great statistical rebounding or assist games, but they still contributed alot of hustle and passing to the team with tips to their teammates, who then get the rebound, or making that 1st pass that actually creates the assisting play, and then someone is often surprised that there stats weren't better cause it seemed like they did so much. Its different the larger sample size, such as a season, when luck is less involved.

[amfirst]

Because LeBron sucked in the finals and Wade just took the back seat in the playoffs because they can win with him or lebron leading the team against inferior teams.

[Phong]

its gotta suck that all the hard work phong is putting in on ish will be forgotten.I wouldn't expect anything else. The recap of a choke job will always be less remembered than the choke job itself.

[guy]

I think that you missed the point of my post. My post was about the fact that Wade especially (and other players) for the entire season, even before the Finals, was not receiving criticism for having the same failures as Lebron. The fact that he wasn't criticized for being "the man" and losing the Finals is just reflective of what was happening all season long.

Does Wade put himself in the position to be criticized as much Lebron does? Is he hyped up as much as Lebron? Wade doesn't call himself King or Chosen One. And although he played a part, he wasn't the center of one of the most egotistical TV specials in history. Relative to the hype and attention he receives, Lebron absolutely deserved more criticism. And Wade did get his fair share of hate when the Heat were struggling during the season at the end of games. But Lebron got more cause he was the one for whatever reason always bricking last second shots. And not to mention, Lebron was the one that JOINED Wade, someone who has already done what Lebron is looking to do. Lebron has alot more to prove then Wade, thats why he gets the hate.

[97 bulls]

Does Wade put himself in the position to be criticized as much Lebron does? Is he hyped up as much as Lebron? Wade doesn't call himself King or Chosen One. And although he played a part, he wasn't the center of one of the most egotistical TV specials in history. Relative to the hype and attention he receives, Lebron absolutely deserved more criticism. And Wade did get his fair share of hate when the Heat were struggling during the season at the end of games. But Lebron got more cause he was the one for whatever reason always bricking last second shots. And not to mention, Lebron was the one that JOINED Wade, someone who has already done what Lebron is looking to do. Lebron has alot more to prove then Wade, thats why he gets the hate.
This is very true. James does open himself up to a lot of the criticism he's received by some of the things he's done

[Phong]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225455&page=101 Game 3's reactions from the last 2-3 minutes. :oldlol:

This is the game the Heat won.:roll:

- Lebron is playing like a *****, Wade carrying them
- I've lost a ton of respect for Lebron after this game. He's been a total puss.
- It's sad to see that this is the role LeBron wants to take in his prime. He is riding Wade hard right now.
- LeBron being totally passive. Why is he acting like this? It's like only Wade cares
- Lebron is scared.
- Never seen a guy [LeBron] get paid so much to stand around
- LeBron looks rattled out there.
- LeBron losing his touch
- worst game ive seen lbj play in a while

[Doctor Rivers]

Does Wade put himself in the position to be criticized as much Lebron does? Is he hyped up as much as Lebron? Wade doesn't call himself King or Chosen One. And although he played a part, he wasn't the center of one of the most egotistical TV specials in history. Relative to the hype and attention he receives, Lebron absolutely deserved more criticism. And Wade did get his fair share of hate when the Heat were struggling during the season at the end of games. But Lebron got more cause he was the one for whatever reason always bricking last second shots. And not to mention, Lebron was the one that JOINED Wade, someone who has already done what Lebron is looking to do. Lebron has alot more to prove then Wade, thats why he gets the hate.

This

[DMV2]

GAME 1:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they won, he had some amazing clutch plays.

GAME 2:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse...

GAME 3:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they won, but it was Lebrons gamewinning behind the back assist to Bosh which won the game, Lebron STILL got bashed for not producing so well.

GAME 4:
Wade was more productive than Lebron... and they losed, both choked in the clutch, only Lebron got the blame ofcourse.

GAME 5:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade. The 1st Finals triple double since 1991 was now just "useless attempt by lebron", Lebron still didnt show up..... they said... yep... nobody cared about Wade.

GAME 6:
Lebron was more productive than Wade... and they losed, Wade was horrible this game, but nope, once again Lebron gets all the blame, nobody touched Wade.


LEBRON LED THEM TO 1 WIN
WADE LED THEM TO 1 WIN

WADE PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES
LEBRON PLAYED BETTER 3 TIMES


dont even try to deny this... the only reason Wade averaged more points is because he SHOT MORE.... while Lebron was passing more.... thats the only difference.... they both sucked in the Clutch... thats where the game was lost......

the point is, only Lebron got the blame...
Points-Rebounds-Assists

Game 1: LBJ 24-9-5 vs Wade 22-10-6 (not much of a difference)
Game 2: LBJ 20-7-4 vs Wade 36-5-6
Game 3: LBJ 17-3-9 vs Wade 29-11-3
Game 4: LOL 8 points vs Wade 32
Game 5: LBJ 17-10-10 vs Wade 23-2-8 (LBJ was slightly better)
Game 6: LBJ 21-4-6 vs Wade 17-8-6 (even)

When Wade was productive, LeBron didn't do shit!

When LeBron was "somewhat productive," Wade still nearly matched him. I'll give LeBron Game 5 since Wade missed much of the 2nd Half.

Wade clearly had three better games. LeBron had one better game. Both even out in two games. Let's be honest, they both sub-par in 5 & 6.

[pauk]

Gamethread: 2011 Finals Game 2 - Mavericks at Heat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225063&page=63)

Exhibit A:
Fourth quarter, Wade is dominating the Mavs and just scored 9 unanswered points to build the lead up to 15. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread just after Wade made the corner 3:
- Dallas Mavericks are Wade's personal bitches. Straight up.
- Flash on pace for that finals MVP.
- Dwayne Wade with no regard for human life!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO HEAT.
- wade having a jordanesque game
- Wade finals MVP!

Exhibit B:
With 6 minutes left and a comfortable lead, LeBron, who has yet to take a single shot or dish a singe assist in this quarter, decides to take over the game. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread:
- I have seen LeBron blow more layups this season than the previous 7 seasons combined.
- Uh oh. Lebron is ball stopping.
- LeBrick not getting Wade the ball, costing Heat a win.
- get the ball to wade....
- LeBron letting Mavs back in trying to pad his stats
- LeBron's an idiot for running the clock down.
- what is the heat doing? get the ball away from lebron and into wades hands
- So why is the retarded heat coach not having wade bring the ball up?
- I still don't understand why LeBron's running PG for so long. He wastes the clock too much.
- Lebron is going into Cavs mode.
- LeBron trying way too hard. Give the ball to Wade.
- Ugly ass offense from the Heat. Why isn't Wade demanding the ball?!?
- LeBron hoisting up stupid 3's
- Heat fcking choking to the max, James tryna be hero
- Lebron must think this is Cleveland or something. pas the fcuking ball
- they stop running their offense and play LeBron ball.
- I still don't understand why LeBron has been bringing the ball up all 4th qtr.
- WHY DID THEY GO AWAY FROM WADE
- Well done James! WTF is that guy doing there?
- What the **** is LeBron doing jacking up stupid shots? Get the ball to Wade you idiot.

Going hero-mode, ball hogging, running down the clock and hoisting stupid 3's:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/11091006154583797.gif http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910061616894863.gif
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062759736713.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062344295666.gif

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062610462956.jpg


AND YOU WONDER WHY LEBRON GOT THE BLAME? :roll:


Seriously PHONG.... you have no life.... i dont even know how you do it or have the patience to do it? must take you a whole day or week to complete a post like that where you search the entire forum of month/year old threads/posts you can use....... you seem to also remember and post every single post i ever made.... how the hell.... is there any search function here im not aware of something? and after you are done with it you watch thru all Lebrons games to see his fails just so you can GIF them to bash him..... :lol kindof sad

[Doctor Rivers]

Gamethread: 2011 Finals Game 2 - Mavericks at Heat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225063&page=63)

Exhibit A:
Fourth quarter, Wade is dominating the Mavs and just scored 9 unanswered points to build the lead up to 15. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread just after Wade made the corner 3:
- Dallas Mavericks are Wade's personal bitches. Straight up.
- Flash on pace for that finals MVP.
- Dwayne Wade with no regard for human life!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO HEAT.
- wade having a jordanesque game
- Wade finals MVP!

Exhibit B:
With 6 minutes left and a comfortable lead, LeBron, who has yet to take a single shot or dish a singe assist in this quarter, decides to take over the game. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread:
- I have seen LeBron blow more layups this season than the previous 7 seasons combined.
- Uh oh. Lebron is ball stopping.
- LeBrick not getting Wade the ball, costing Heat a win.
- get the ball to wade....
- LeBron letting Mavs back in trying to pad his stats
- LeBron's an idiot for running the clock down.
- what is the heat doing? get the ball away from lebron and into wades hands
- So why is the retarded heat coach not having wade bring the ball up?
- I still don't understand why LeBron's running PG for so long. He wastes the clock too much.
- Lebron is going into Cavs mode.
- LeBron trying way too hard. Give the ball to Wade.
- Ugly ass offense from the Heat. Why isn't Wade demanding the ball?!?
- LeBron hoisting up stupid 3's
- Heat fcking choking to the max, James tryna be hero
- Lebron must think this is Cleveland or something. pas the fcuking ball
- they stop running their offense and play LeBron ball.
- I still don't understand why LeBron has been bringing the ball up all 4th qtr.
- WHY DID THEY GO AWAY FROM WADE
- Well done James! WTF is that guy doing there?
- What the **** is LeBron doing jacking up stupid shots? Get the ball to Wade you idiot.

Going hero-mode, ball hogging, running down the clock and hoisting stupid 3's:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/11091006154583797.gif http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910061616894863.gif
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062759736713.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062344295666.gif

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062610462956.jpg


AND YOU WONDER WHY LEBRON GOT THE BLAME? :roll:

+1

[Doctor Rivers]

Seriously PHONG.... you have no life....

:facepalm

[Phong]

:facepalmNotice how he won't counter the facts presented before his eyes. :lol

Btw, I should thank him for quoting my post on this page. :cheers:

[Simple Jack]

Notice how he won't counter the facts presented before his eyes. :lol

Btw, I should thank him for quoting my post on this page. :cheers:

Not sure I'd post people's reaction to LeBron's play as some sort of proof.

He was hated on for dropping 40+ 20+ in the charity game. I don't think there is a single game of LeBron's where he wasn't criticized to death this season; even in the Bulls series by some warped logic. Not that he didn't play bad in the finals, but using people's reactions, often knee-jerk and baseless ESPECIALLY in regards to LeBron, doesn't really help your case.

[Phong]

Live reactions, video footage, play-by-play and stats doesn't help my case. :lol

[Ikill]

read the OP
it's because Wade decided to be a hero and get FMVP and hug the ball
Stop making shit up Wade only took 18 shot attempts a game he took more against Boston and Philly than he did against Dallas. Lebron had the ball just as much as he did before but he didn't do anything with it just ruined Wades offensive rhythm. Wade didn't get the ball for huge parts of the game he should of shot more when he was hot.

[swi7ch]

'cos LBJ averaged less than 2 pts in the most important quarter.

[Vragrant]

I think he should have gotten just as much blame if not more, really.

Why ? Everyone is saying this is "Wade's Team" right ? So why not ? Yeah, he did perform better, but that doesn't mean his stats necessarily tell the whole story.

There was a lot of time I thought he was playing well, but it seemed that he wasn't showing up in the cruch time or missing badly late in the quarter.

If it's "Wade's Team" they should blame him just as much.

I keep hearing this but I just don't see the validity to it. Wade missed a crucial free throw in game 3, other than that he was great in the 4th quarter.

In fact ABC showed a graphic at the end of game 5 and Wade was second in 4th quarter points for the series behind Dirk. Not to mention he had a huge 4th quarters in games 1 and 3.

[TheAesirsFinest]

That's my primary criticism of Lebron in the Finals, the lack of offensive aggressiveness. He went from attempting right at 19fgs and 9fts per game in the first 3 rounds to attempting only 15 fgs and 3fts per game! in the Finals. If memory serves me correctly, Lebron entered the playoffs as the all time leader in fta per game at over 10 attempts per game. Then all of a sudden jump shooting 6th men such as Jason Terry and Mario Chalmers actually attempt more free throws than he while playing significantly fewer minutes.

In all seriousness, I would love to hear someone from the Heat's lockeroom actually provide their take on why he was no longer aggressive. I've heard all of the ESPN and ISH reasons which normally is some variation of "a lack of 'menal toughness" or something like that. Again, I really would like to hear from the Heat lockeroom. I'm wondering whether there was actually a change of offensive strategy implemented by Coach Spoelstra or something.

There was. I believe the Heat utilized a double high post offense throughout the 1st 3 rounds, but they suddenly switched to a system I don't remember or probably never recognized. As to why, I have no clue.


Why didn't Spoelstra get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

I've been blaming him all season and post-season long for the Heat's choke-jobs, if that helps :cheers:

[D-Wade316]

Gamethread: 2011 Finals Game 2 - Mavericks at Heat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225063&page=63)

Exhibit A:
Fourth quarter, Wade is dominating the Mavs and just scored 9 unanswered points to build the lead up to 15. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread just after Wade made the corner 3:
- Dallas Mavericks are Wade's personal bitches. Straight up.
- Flash on pace for that finals MVP.
- Dwayne Wade with no regard for human life!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO HEAT.
- wade having a jordanesque game
- Wade finals MVP!

Exhibit B:
With 6 minutes left and a comfortable lead, LeBron, who has yet to take a single shot or dish a singe assist in this quarter, decides to take over the game. Here are the live reactions in the gamethread:
- I have seen LeBron blow more layups this season than the previous 7 seasons combined.
- Uh oh. Lebron is ball stopping.
- LeBrick not getting Wade the ball, costing Heat a win.
- get the ball to wade....
- LeBron letting Mavs back in trying to pad his stats
- LeBron's an idiot for running the clock down.
- what is the heat doing? get the ball away from lebron and into wades hands
- So why is the retarded heat coach not having wade bring the ball up?
- I still don't understand why LeBron's running PG for so long. He wastes the clock too much.
- Lebron is going into Cavs mode.
- LeBron trying way too hard. Give the ball to Wade.
- Ugly ass offense from the Heat. Why isn't Wade demanding the ball?!?
- LeBron hoisting up stupid 3's
- Heat fcking choking to the max, James tryna be hero
- Lebron must think this is Cleveland or something. pas the fcuking ball
- they stop running their offense and play LeBron ball.
- I still don't understand why LeBron has been bringing the ball up all 4th qtr.
- WHY DID THEY GO AWAY FROM WADE
- Well done James! WTF is that guy doing there?
- What the **** is LeBron doing jacking up stupid shots? Get the ball to Wade you idiot.

Going hero-mode, ball hogging, running down the clock and hoisting stupid 3's:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6245/borderl.jpg
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/11091006154583797.gif http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910061616894863.gif
http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062759736713.gif http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062344295666.gif

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/10/110910062610462956.jpg


AND YOU WONDER WHY LEBRON GOT THE BLAME? :roll:
:applause: :applause: :applause:

PHONG DESTROYING PAUK

[D-Wade316]

Notice how he won't counter the facts presented before his eyes. :lol

Btw, I should thank him for quoting my post on this page. :cheers:
PHONG DESTROYING PAUK ONCE AGAIN :applause: :applause: :applause:

[NumberSix]

Wade isn't the reason Miami lost. He did his share. LeBron didn't.

[NBAller]

Wade isn't the reason Miami lost. He did his share. LeBron didn't.

uh what?

[G-Funk]

because Wade is irrelevant. ppl only wanna talk about Kobe or Lebron and only time he gets 5+ pages is because hes' been compared to Lebron or Kobe. Sad but true